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Putin To Western Elites: Play-Time Is Over
Most people in the English-speaking parts of the world missed Putin's speech at the Valdai conference in Sochi a few days ago, and, chances are, those of you who have heard of the speech didn't get a chance to read it, and missed its importance. Western media did their best to ignore it or to twist its meaning. Regardless of what you think or don't think of Putin (like the sun and the moon, he does not exist for you to cultivate an opinion) this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill's “Iron Curtain” speech of March 5, 1946.
In this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.
The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:
1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.
2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.
3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.
4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.
5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America's ever-expanding “empire of chaos,” and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia's challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.
6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.
7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.
8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order - until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.
9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia's power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people.
To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:
10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States—but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.
To sum it all up:
play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?
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OH BOY OH BOY ........ FINALLY A GROWN UP....
...... CHECK Obola......
FORE!!!!!
A regional power vs a marginal power
Sounds like a speech by Thomas Jefferson. Too bad Amerika is a fascist state in ruins.
Now lets vote Hitlery to save us and create jerbs!
Hillaryously Ignorant fool!!!
Death to the New World Order!
Oh, this is old news. They covered it in a quick snippet on Good Morning America during the cooking session when they talked about how Russian caviar can be substituted with New York City sewer scum-balls on the cold coddled eggs.
Cold coddled eggs don't even sound appetizing by themselves.
Will he kill tribe members? Well then...
I'm sorry, but I LOVE that guy.
I'm jealous that we don't have a leader "with a pair".
Wanna read the whole speech in its entirety? Here it is from Paul Craig Roberts, probably a pretty good translation.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/25/vladimir-putin-leader-moral-w...
Putin is in charge and he's putting Russia back on the map...that is if oil prices hold together.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/07/how-vladimir-putin-came-to-power-f...
Putin's in the middle of impoverishing ordinary Russians:
1. Oil prices low (and headed lower);
2. Ruble low (and headed lower);
3. Capital fleeing Russia;
4. $140 billion in foreign debt coming due in 2015 by Russian firms;
5. Yields high (and headed higher).
Good times for Putin and Russia!
Play time has just begun - American libertarians can't climb over each other fast enough to suck this authoritarian’s dick.
this coming from an American statist dick loving moron. Putin is fighting for his country and people. What is Obama, Congress or the Supreme Court doing for us, you fucking clown?
Save the reply, you're too stupid to know the difference.
Putin is fighting for his country with the weapons of choice for a statist: a government-controlled and compliant media, autocracy (no rule of law), and gulags or death for the non-compliant (e.g., Mikhail Khodorkovsky).
It was Vladimir Putin, after all, who wistfully remarked that "the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union."
In other words, the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century wasn't the 60 million lives lost during WWII, nor was it the tens of millions that died during the Spanish influence pandemic in the early part of the 20th century.
Rather, the 'catastrophe' was that 300 million folks were liberated from a totalitarian regime and a command economy that together were responsible for untold human misery.
Vlad is doing his damndest to reconstitute the SU!
"Rather, the 'catastrophe' was that 300 million folks were liberated from a totalitarian regime and a command economy that together were responsible for untold human misery."
Nice try... Putin is no democrat however I don't think he was talking about the fall of communism... but then again you probably already know that.
Anyway Clinton sent Rubin, Summmers and the Goldman crew (including BOE Mark Carney) over to have a "fire sale" for Yeltsin. I heard some well connected religious guys walked away with everything worth anything...
Vlad sees the fall of the USSR as not just a catastrophe, Bob, but the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century.
But facts notwithstanding, thanks for the charitable re-interpretation.
You should stop using John Boltons (NeoCon) assessment of what Putin actually said.
Here's what Putin said... (just for the record)
From the Kremlin:
"Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and co-patriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/06/john-bolton/...
If you wish to read into it that he want's to re-establish communism and take over eastern Europe you are on your own...
My Ebolaween costume this year is Putin.
John Bolton! Haven't heard that name in a while. Awfully similar to what they said about Ahmajinedad wanting to wipe Israel off the map. So many confused minds out there. This was in 2005, Putin was just trying to set the record a little straight about WW I. He pissed off the communists with that speech, how is that bad?
Obongo will come out of the closet to teach that pesky Putin a lesson.
to challenge the rothschilds paradigm you have to be smarter than their system honed over centuries, i just don't think it can be done.
He will send them Pussy Riot. Who wouldn't fall for them lasses?
Yes we can?
God bless Vladamir Putin
The western-power trolls are thick on this thread...
I'm intrigued. You think it's possible to reason with the handlers of the POTUS?
4 Weeks ago, I would have expected more sanctions as a result of something like this. But now, with Ebola worries and with late fall in the batters box, with winter on deck, and no outs and a man in scoring position, maybe the bastards will even start relaxing some prior sanctions. Relaxing some is probably the best path to not "getting schooled again" by Putin. If you combat the unfair framing he got, with stand up, straight forward talk, it gets respect from good people. I am reminded of the talk Ten Bears has with Josey Wales. The talk is similar, and the situation too, I reckon so...
4 Weeks ago
What's that in doggy years?
Vlad's speech was to Russians and it was in Russian, Bob. What you've cut and pasted for me is the charitable interpretation you'd have me believe, translated charitably into English. And even those charitable words do little to assuage the West's fear that Vlad has it solidly within his sights to reconstitute the SU. Other quotes, and indeed his actions, confirm his nostalgia for the geographic boundaries of the former SU.
And not merely geographic boundaries. Vlad's already put the world on notice that he values a state-controlled media (easier to disseminate his singular message), authoritarian rule (the Duma quickly rubber stamps his every recommendation), zero rule of law and the gulag system (see, e.g., Mikhail Khodorkovsky).
Vlad is misty-eyed wistful for the good old Soviet days, he's bided his time and is now officially done being W's (or O's) chimp. Personally, I'm glad he's no longer America's chimp, but thoroughly disappointed that he's chosen authoritarianism.
Merkel and others in Europe and stateside wanted to welcome Vlad as the new exemplar and template of what Russia could become. But as we have seen, it is not to be.
Alright... I'll bite... why don't you show me what he really said then?
BTW... your good friend Khordorkovsky was a well connected communist who used his special privileges to ass-rape his country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
Zero: Patriot seems to be nothing but a troll. Save your posts for more productive discourse.
Ya I know... don't feed the trolls
Unfortunately I am cursed with low impulse control...
Put the trolls in their place. They're all Jewish and deserve anything you throw at them. Period.
Khodorkovsky would be jailed or killed for his stealing in any country except too big to fail America. Because the Zinos, their trolls and theirmedia cry me a river about it does not make him innocent. He was released as a good will jesture for the Zinos and their trolls are still crying about it. In a just world, he would have got the Chinese treatment for embezzelement and crooked shennanigans and his family billed for the bullet.
Even Gorby told that Khordorkovsky would have been locked up in other country sooner for his tax evasions alone.
Russia as no death penalty. He deserved it, responsible for hundreds if not thousands of deaths, especially of old and those isolated when factories/cities stripped and shut, pensions stopped because of lootings.
And direct authorized murders.
Unrepentant Criminal.
Thanks to western sanctions and the Kremlin’s bans on foreign imports, Russia’s economic prospects look gloomy. In September, inflation reached a three-year peak, and could exceed 8 percent by the end of the year. Sliding crude oil prices, growth stagnation, capital flight, and the recent devaluation of Russia's sovereign debt to the second-lowest investment-grade rating leave little room for optimism. The current climate will ultimately increase social instability—indeed, it is already showing signs of doing so. And despite the arrogant speech Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered at the Valdai Discussion Club, an invite-only gathering of prominent journalists and policymakers held in Sochi last week, he has real reasons to worry.
It’s trivial to point out that Russia, ranking 127 out of 177 countries in Transparency International Corruption Perception Index, is an extremely corrupt country (in fact, TI estimates likely understate the reality). Putin’s kleptocratic system, brilliantly described by Karen Dawisha in a new book (which Cambridge University Press refused to publish earlier this year), has redistributed hydrocarbon profits in exchange to both the so-called core elites (people from the closest pro-Putin circles) and mass constituencies (through pay increases for public sector employees who constitute about 70% of Russia’s middle class, ISRAS estimates) in exchange for unquestioned loyalty. As various kleptocratic schemes evolved under Putin’s rule in the last decade, Russia has fallen about 50 places on the CPI index.
Putin’s main problem is that the system he built up is almost entirely based on material reimbursement. Personalistic regimes like the one he has built sustain the loyalty of their supporters almost entirely through access to material rewards, and they are extremely vulnerable to economic catastrophe. Unlike other political systems, neopatrimonial states have no alternative methods of ensuring support. In institutionalized autocratic systems like China, loyalty can be exchanged for partial power-sharing; in ideological systems like the USSR, moral commitment to ideological values and ideals may sustain elite loyalty. But in a political system built on corruption, the redistribution of capital is the primary method of getting and keeping political support.
For most of the previous decade, the Kremlin enjoyed a continuously expanding economy and increasing resource inflows; Putin had no problem buying the loyalty of the elites while maintaining the support of the Russian populace. So long as the economy was soaring, average Russians remained loyal to the authorities. But things started to change as early as 2011, when Boris Nemtsov, a Russian opposition leader, remarked, “Everyone is unhappy with Putin, save perhaps his closest friends.”
With shrinking financial resources, Putin is no longer able to satisfy both his base and the elites. Now there are signs Russia’s richest and most powerful citizens might be asking for more in exchange for their loyalty. Earlier this year, Putin announced that $14 billion would be allocated to fund three infrastructure projects, two of them by Russian Railways (owned by Vladimir Yakunin, another “longtime friend” of Putin’s). In May, Putin supported the Bank Rossiya, allegedly owned by Putin’s own Ozero Cooperative. After the bank suffered from the western sanctions earlier this year, Putin immediately granted the Bank the right to service payments on Russia's $36 billion wholesale electricity market, a huge business, worth 2 percent of Russia’s GDP (hence ensuring the Bank with up to $112 million annually from commission charges alone). In the meantime, more close friends of Putin are seeking support.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120037/tumbling-russian-economy-will-...
This is Putins speech and Q & A session from Valdai straight from
the horses mouth (not John Kerry). I suggest Z'Hedgers read it
and make their own interpretations. I have my thoughts about
Putins intentions over Ukraine so I won't bore you with those again.
http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/23137
This will give you a better indication than the jerk at Club Orlov
or whoever interpreted Putin speech. Apologies if this link has already
been pasted.
That took a while to read. Thank you for the link. Putin was telling the truth in his speech. I think Putin is playing chess, lies won't work in that game. Obama is playing liers poker and he's using taxpayers money to play with.
2Fat
From his responses to questions it is clear to see what path he is taking
in regard to Ukraine. It does not bode well for the future not just for
Ukraine but for us all. All the answers to his thinking and intentions
are clearly visible in that piece (albeit long).
Guess for whom the New Republic serves as a mouthpiece. Get real
This is how Putin regime helps THEIR people AKA elite:
Russia looks to compensate its sanctioned elitehttp://bigstory.ap.org/article/6a2b93aac55c40c9a1b0b0bcc11a07d9/russia-g...
Russian oil giant Rosneft sought financial aid of $49 billion (over 2 trillion rubles) from the Russian government’s National Welfare Fund
http://foreignpolicynews.org/2014/10/24/rosneft-seeks-49-billion-russian...
High five to Amerikan Patriot - good to see more people fighting against ruskie trolls here and Putin oligarch regime propoganda!
I will repeat this post because in my opinion it’s important to open eyes those who have good intention in their heart but have been misled by elite / regimes of different sides. How I see things is I look at what government is doing – looking at its work, methods and results. And from there it’s basically two sides: those who work in good of common people and protect their individual rights & freedoms, and those who manipulate their people take their rights away and work for elite benefits. Now you look from that perspective and you are going around in so called “alternative media” as this (which actually is not alternative at all – but about that little later) than I’m sure you are aware about US oligarch regime crimes and that they are not working for the people. What you are lacking in information at some sites is about other elites / regimes / oligarchs and how they treat their people. So because of this lack of information you can be easily manipulated to think that there is only one evil elite that rules west and others can be looked at as opposition to this evil – so automatically they are the good guys VS evil west. Well it’s not so at all. If you go back to what I started and those criteria how I divide governments – than you will realize that for example Putin oligarch regime, China elite regime – is not working for their people and is not protecting their individual rights and freedoms. They use the same tactics, the same crimes, the same manipulation in order to gain their elite more power more wealth and hides it under different banners. I’ post links about Putin regime in the end – check them out.
This manipulation with your mind is possible using different kind of channels that you think is alternative media – when actually it’s Putin regime asset for brainwashing you. Also US oligarch regime has their alternative media to brainwash you. So it’s really hard to stay focus and not to get lost in this war over your mind. But those criteria I posted can help you.
What Putin regime assets as RT, Zerohedge (because obviously it is Putin regime asset as you will not be able to find any criticism towards from this site towards actions Putin regime do to their people by limiting their freedoms, by internet censorship and of course will stay in line with Putin regime lies that they are not invading Ukraine - when there is evidence
about Putin regime tanks in Ukraine that are not in any country army but only in Russian) does is they are mixing truth with lies. You know – you have to add some sugar for bitter poison. They are well aware about US oligarch crimes and they are well aware that MSM is hiding them from people in west and they are well aware that people in west is seeking the truth that exposes these crimes – so what they do is this – they expose US oligarch regime crimes for what you are so interested in and in this way they are taking your attention and confidence to this source so that you trust them and thank them for bringing truth. And what they do then is they add their Putin regime lies that you automatically accept as truth because they were saying truth about US oligarch regime crimes (not always though). So this is the way they mix truth with lies in order to make you think from their perspective. If they add more paid trolls than mostly this scheme will work and people will live under Putin regime brainwashing machine. So now you know. Now it’s a choice for you to think this trough and start looking at information more with critical thinking. Yes, world is not so simple as we think.
Here are some links to look at and think of if you are cheering for Putin regime:
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/05/russia-internet-censorship-laws-crackdown/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-putin-signs-law-extending-kremlins-grip-over-media/2014/10/15/6d9e8b2c-546b-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_story.html
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-ad-ban-hurts-television/25449900.html
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/04/24/russia-worst-human-rights-climate-post-soviet-era
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/04/12/russian-tv-caught-red-handed-same-guy-same-demonstration-but-three-different-people-spy-bystander-heroic-surgeon/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkaVIIOE9ys
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6a2b93aac55c40c9a1b0b0bcc11a07d9/russia-gives-approval-sanctions-compensation
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russias-rosneft-asks-48-billion-state-wealth-fund-sanctions-bite-1471332
Excuse me Latvian Nazi or Zino-troll, which ever the case may be, could you cut down the size of your posts as a favor to the rest of us?? Because in this format where posts get stretched out vertically, it takes a tedious amount of time to scroll past your bullshit.
Thanks
I do NOT think people here are fans of Putin personally, but rather they are fans of patriotism and good leadership, and Putin seems to be the only serious leader who is a true patriot of his own country. The rest of the world leaders continually appear more concerned with lust for power, image, and how they can skim something for themselves at the expense of the common citizen.
How Patriotic is to censoship internet?
The law that launched a thousand ships: creating the RuNet Blacklist[The full text in Russian. RuNet Echo’s commentary in English.]
Signed by Putin on July 28, 2012. This is law that launched the crackdown on Internet freedom in Russia. The law created a government registry for websites found to contain materials deemed harmful to children. Illegal content under this law includes child pornography, drug paraphernalia, and instructions about self-harm. Without a court order, Russia’s federal communications agency is able to add to the registry any website hosting such material. Later laws have allowed police to blacklist other kinds of websites, too, using the infrastructure created here.
The ‘Russian SOPA’[The full text of the original law in Russian. The text of the updated draft legislation. RuNet Echo’s commentary in English.]
Signed on July 2, 2013. Often referred to as the “Russian SOPA,” this is an anti-piracy law that allows courts to block websites accused of hosting stolen intellectual property. What ultimately reached Putin’s desk in July 2013 was a somewhat watered-down version of the initial legislation, which called for applying the law to a wide variety of content. (The law’s final text addressed only stolen films.) The Russian Parliament is poised, however, to pass a new bill later this year that will expand the law’s application to music, e-books, and software.
Blacklisting the news[The full text in Russian. RuNet Echo’s commentary in English.]
Signed on December 28, 2013. This law gives Russia’s Attorney General the extrajudicial power to add to the RuNet Blacklist any websites containing “calls to riots, extremist activities, the incitement of ethnic and (or) sectarian hatred, terrorist activity, or participation in public events held in breach of appropriate procedures.” In March 2014, police used this law to block four major opposition websites, including three news portals and the blog of Russia’s most prominent anti-corruption activist. Since the law passed last year, the Attorney General as blacklisted 191 different Web addresses.
The law that got away: policing news-aggregatorsIn April 2014, Putin revealed at a public forum that the government was investigating the legal status of online news-aggregation services like Yandex News. In May, a Duma deputy asked the Russian Attorney General to issue a ruling about the status of Yandex News, to determine if the state should regulate such websites as mass media outlets. In early June, Yandex’s CEO joined Putin onstage at a forum on Internet entrepreneurship, where the two chatted amicably about the RuNet’s economic potential. On July 1, Russian newspapers reported that the Attorney General does not consider news-aggregation to qualify as mass media, aborting the Duma’s effort to impose new regulations on Yandex News and similar websites.
The anti-terrorism package, aka “the Bloggers Law”[The full text in Russian. RuNet Echo’s commentary in English.]
Signed on May 5, 2014. This package consisted of three separate laws, hurried through the Duma after terrorist attacks in the city of Volgograd in December 2013. Two of the laws added new Internet regulations, creating restrictions on electronic money transfers (banning all foreign financial transactions involving anonymous parties) and extensive requirements for governing the activity of “popular bloggers” and the data retention of certain websites and online networks. The “law on bloggers” takes effect on August 1, 2014, creating a new registry especially for citizen-media outlets with daily audiences bigger than three thousand people. Bloggers added to this registry face a series of new regulations (against obscene language, libel, and so on), increasing their vulnerability to criminal prosecution.
Hard time for retweets[The full text in Russian. RuNet Echo’s commentary in English.]
Signed on June 28, 2014. This law allows the government to hand down five-year prison sentences to people who re-disseminate extremist materials online. The “law against retweets” codifies an existing police practice, but making the policy official could increase the number of such prosecutions in the future.
A digital Gulag[The full text in Russian. RuNet Echo’s commentary in English.]
Passed by the Duma on July 4, 2014. This legislation still awaits the Senate’s approval and Putin’s signature. The law, if passed, will require all websites that store user data about Russian citizens to house that data on servers located inside Russia. According to the legislation’s logic, websites will be barred from storing Russian users’ personal data anywhere outside of Russia (though the law’s actual text is somewhat vague on this point, perhaps because of jurisdictional limitations on what Russia can mandate outside its borders). The law applies to a wide variety of websites, ranging from e-booking services to Facebook, affecting any website or online service operating on the concept of “users.”
"What you are lacking in information at some sites is about other elites / regimes / oligarchs and how they treat their people. So because of this lack of information you can be easily manipulated to think that there is only one evil elite that rules west and others can be looked at as opposition to this evil – so automatically they are the good guys VS evil west. Well it’s not so at all"
So can you please show me some "good elites" in DC and Wall Street? You know, the ones that, "work in good of common people and protect their individual rights & freedoms"?
And when you point out those few TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS who follow our original U.S. Constitution and understand SOUND MONEY, please enlighten me on how well they are doing and how they will prevail for the good of my children's future.
Only then might we start paying attention to YOUR MANIPULATION (or at least attempted manipulation).
"what Russia could become."
According to whom?
unAmerikan antiPatriot,
Vlad is nobody's fool. Unlike you he knows all too well that the Soviet system was a Western construct funded by Western central banks to control and loot the massive Russian Empire and subject its proud inhabitants to savage abuses for decades on end. Then when the Western malefactors tired of that system they let Russia twist in the wind whilst they meddled elswhere. Why would he ever take instructions from such psychopaths? He does what needs to be done to protect his country, which is more than anyone can say about the marauders who control America.
No fair. ZerOhead is using actual words of fact to make his case. More innuendo and bullshit puffery please.
/sarc off/
While Orlov's description of Putin's speech is good, there seems to be a deference and admiration for Russia's rise, both in his articles and in his book, which diminishes his effectiveness. Obama also gives great speeches, so did Hitler. A good speech does not make you right. Putins increasingly paranoid movements are those you'd see in any other cornered person, animal or country. The ruble is dying and the West has turned their back. China is ony an engine of growth if Americans and Europeans buy their trinkets. Russians are not buying Chinese exports. We are the cleanest dirty shirt because our morons buy cheap crap from China, who uses the money to build real estate and bonds, both which we are now devaluing through QE. Without the US, without the West, the cycle stops. Vlad just figured that out the hard way, so war is the only option.
Wow. Your mind is brimming with stale bullshit. I bet you've never set foot outside Hicksville USA.
horse poop
china already makes far, far more than trinkets. they also aren't adding to their portfolio of bonds; gold and overseas direct investment, yes.
the u.s. isn't the cleanest dirty shirt. it is the enforcer for the soulless bastards running israel and has committed decades of war crimes of horrific proportions from europe (gladio) to latin america to indochina to the islamic world. and continues to do so today and tomorrow.
putin isn't a good thing because of his domestic policies (russia has moved toward liberty from authoritarianism in the last fifty years while the u.s. has made an opposite journey). he is good because he opposes the greatest menace extant.
BKbroiler- I think you were broiled to the point of being carbonized. "We are the cleanest dirty shirt because our morons buy cheap crap from China". WTF? What do these two concepts have to do with each other? "our morons". You don't need to denegrate yourself by being explicit about your actions.
guess it all depends on whose interpretation u want to go with...
http://rmsmcblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/did-vladimir-putin-call-the-br...
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That claim is a Hillary Clinton invention. Your comments appear to be little more than a recitation of Campaign 2016 talking points, Captain Cankles.
Your doing your damndest to regurgitate false talking points of the media.
Khodorkovsky was not in any gulag.
Russian Federation does not have death penalty
though if anyone deserved, he was one of...He responsible for hundreds, if not thousands dead.
That was your lie, rest of post more useless talkings
USSR was never a Russian construct
Soviet is defunct
get over it
Mikhail Khodorkovsky is your example?
Wasn't he freed, anyway?
After reading the full speach and replies to questions in the Q&A session, I think some of the 9 points the Russian blgger summarized are liberal interpretations of what Vlad was saying.
Dont get me wrong. I think the points Putin makes are excellent, but the blogger is putting words in his mouth to get the reader all frothy.
His discussion of the ox and bear in the taiga was priceless.
Dont poke the bear.
Hate to say it but the lucies will take no shit. The motherfuckers burn children in ritual offering. Putin seems to be convinced that rational actors have a say. If he is leveling all the world's problems on the U.S without realizing the multinational conspiracy that is the IMF/World Bank hegemony, CFR, international power players and unlisted trillionaires, then he's either a fool, or he's in on it.
If it is the former, I would dare say we have armed orbiting satellites with global strike capabilities via atmospheric entry. An EMP over Moscow from space would be a rather brilliant strategy. They sure aren't sending folks up there to examine our satellites. Just address it as a GPS or XM satt and who would be the wiser? Decades of hundreds of billions of dollars have probably produced any number of black projects that we are just dying to showcase
Lucies in the sky with diamonds?
Care for a baby drumstick?
Wait until Putin decides it's time to kick some ass.
I don't want to be there.
There will be blood.
Funny you chose that screen name where was, Nikita Khrushchev after being challenged by Kennedy? oh yeah he ran like the pussy he was, just like Putin will when it comes down to a square off
Fuck you...you fucking illiterate vodka besotted immigrant fuck
Funny how the open minded liberal is always the first to resort to vulgarities and personal attacks when facts challenge their view of how things should be.
You would be taken more seriously if you based your comments on facts rather than feminine emotion.
Personal attacks? I take real offense to that - was merely restating well established facts for the record. Don't worry, the fact that y'all are super gay (as in homosexual) on putin is totally cool with me.
Y'All.....really?....who types that??
The US Zionist state has been encircling Russia with military bases WHILE toppling Mid East Country after Country based upon lie after lie.
All you namers of "Putin the dictator" are fools. He is kept himself in power to defend his Country of Zionist's and he is the world's last hope of sovereign Countries against this power.
You can't figure why us Libertarian's root for Putin, because you can't figure out the operation to destroy Russia and fold it into a truly global bankster "world order" (run by Talmudic Zionists) is the same operation going in HERE!
Wipe the snot out of your eyes!
For a second there Wall Street almost gave a shit.
Oh, how I pine for the USSR days. "The Anglo Saxon dog will die of thirst in his desert! The Negro will rise above his slave wage!" (And whitey too!)
I mean this is like reading Woodrow Wilson's 14 points. Vlad! Dude! Let's party!
Cmon...you're in bed with the Banksters too! It's time for you to come out just like Tim Cook has...just in your own "Russian manly way" that's all.
With masterworks like "how i phucked your ruble" and "Mother Russia has a HUGE ASS!" how would any Party not be complete with a little Vlad popping in?
Nein! Nyet! Never! Moscow on the Hudson!...Putin will ROCK YOU!
Maybe you are correct. I don't think so.
bob dabolina
Technically, both of you.
That is just plain AWESOME. Thanks
exactly right James, these folks cant want to service their Putin
Obama, Hillary, and Kerry tried but Putin wasn't having any of it.
Amerikan Patriot
The dollar (Western credit, thus sending Russia’s surpluses abroad), austerity, privatization is what impoverished the Russia population.
Not that we, Americans, should be surprised. Or upset.
at least one country where yields heading right direction
I feel your pain but the 'reasoning' is too sophomoric.
Putin's in the middle of impoverishing ordinary Russians:
So do you suggest that Putin is actually cooperating with NWO plays and mimicking the 'USSA' tactics of 'president obama'?
1. Complex factors at work in energy 'markets'.
2. Transitory and an issue fully at play.....IT'S ALL JUST PAPER ANYWAY.....
3. Sounds like a gang war to me.
4. Pretty sure China can print that and with international politics seemingly having caught 'the ebola' and whatnot...Well I'll just point out that shit is rolling downhill real fast and so don't assume you know what we'll hit next.
5. 'Yields' heading higher has been a sure thing for how long now? You can bet your ass 'yields' have already been heading higher and for longer than you can imagine. The actual architects of this shit have been collecting 'yields' quite successfully.
It may all be part of the game, but Putin sounds like another human being I've considered to be legit and sane.
Ron Paul.
“I've considered to be legit and sane.”
By Edward Ulysses Cate:
Let's not forget that in order to get where he is now, Putin has to be a sociopath. That said, I suspect he's drawing a line that he's not going to put up with being played by other sociopaths. Look out below when sociopaths go at each other. Since sociopaths have no empathy nor conscience, the collateral damage will be great. We have been warned.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html?showComment=1414717935174#c5748338251889128883
Get rid of that shitty hammer and sickle. The whole USSR bullshit was caused by the same Zio's who run Amerika and Europe now. They came from probably Odessa to New York City and then went to Russia in 1917 and murdered the czar's family and tens of millions of Russians. All backed by money from the Red Shield and other banksters.
The White Russian Amry was the real army not the Zio Red Army of NYC Bolsheviks.
These parasites would have kept their hooks in Russia if it was not for Vladimir Putin. He kicked Soros and the dual citizen oligarchs out of Russia. Berezovsky is dead and hopefully the other oligarchs will join him soon.
This zoligarch scum is still in the Ukraine but maybe, just maybe the Ukrianians are waking up.
The USSR does not represent Russia which has been Christian for over 1025 years.
"The whole USSR bullshit was caused by the same Zio's who run Amerika and Europe now. " Abso-fucking-lutely. Do not forget the Jewish financiers based out of Germany who funded the whole Soviet (aka jew zionazi) takeover of Russia. I believe the sum was a paltry $25 Million. These are also the same jews who funded many of Hitler's projects in Germany before and during WW II.
Exclellent point about USSR being funded from New York tribesmen.
Here is a link with a painting and explanation that proves it.
Leon Trotsky (aka Leiba Bronstein) (red army commander and 2nd to Lenin bolshevik) is pictured with Nelson Rockefeller (vice president of USA),
holding 3rd international banner:
http://henrymakow.com/what_is_communism.html
(look at the bottom of the site).
So know your tribe masters and bow to them!
PS: this link was posted before in other threads.
@zzzddd1-Thanks for the link. It confirms what we all know and just illustrates how truly nefarious the tribes plot is.
Given that Makow is a jew (I know he speaks against it, but the parasite gene is in his blood), do you have any reservations about trusting him? I like what he says and find it well researched. I am just very leery of trusting a Hebe.
Best link to the original speech, from the end of Paul Craig Roberts' webpage:
http://eng.news.kremlin.ru/news/23137
I like Putin. I listened to part of the speech. He talked about Russia being the first to support the uSA after the terrorist attacks on 9-11.
Oops! What does that mean? He knows what really happened. Hmm.. Makes me wonder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9pQcqPdKo
Right around 16:20
this, plus all those upvotes, is sad for ZH. He may be making western politicains, and especially obama, look stupid as hell, and yes it is entertaining, but he is still an authoritarian, and while he may love russia, you wouldn't want to live under he rule. He may say some good things, and make very smart moves, but he is no friend of liberty or freedom, or sound money. For a supposedly liberarian/minarchist/anarchist crowd, this putin worship is sad, for he is none of those things. let me reiterate what ive said here many times IT IS POSSBILE TO BE AMUSED BY PUTINS ONE-UPPING OF WESTERN LEADERS WITHOUT ALL THE WORSHIP. IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE TO DESPISE BOTH PUTIN AND OBAMA AT THE SAME TIME.
come on people.....
Western leaders make Putin look like a defender of honesty, peace, liberty etc. It just shows that everything is relative.
Also, I am trying to remember when Putin sent his army on other side of the world to bomb some folks, can you?
i agree that he hasnt invaded or bombed anyone. does that make him a good guy? my point is that he is no advocate of free markets, sound money, individual freedoms, or a free society. How many countries has Castro invaded? kim jong il, or kim jon un havent invaded anyone either. Should we prop them up on a pedestal too? Being slightly less bad foreign policy wise shouldnt earn you hero worship like putin gets on here
I don't worship Putin. I simply respect him and what he is doing for his country.
If you have a problem with that, then tough shit.
You respect a dictator. Good for you.
Define Dictator, please.
Then explain how applies to Leader re-elected with 64% vote and now over 85% support
You know nothing about Russia.
Putin Administration has accomplished more than any in few years:
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-infograph.html
better worry about your own country
this idiot probably thinks russia is still the soviet union or something like that....
two words for you:
Patriot Act
And now go on, dreaming.
Putin is making one speech after another from Sochi, Russia's equivalent of Martha's Vineyard.
Tough to attribute too much gravitas to his policy commentary between the front and back nines.
Kind of like Jamie Dimon announcing OpEx cuts at Chuck E. Cheese's.
Something like 500000 dead kids in Iraq only. And the western society puts the people who started that war on pedestal and awards them a huge amount of money and whatever. Sure it is easy to be better than them, and the "worship" of Putin is actually rather a rejection of the leaders iike Bush Clinton Obama etc.
im well aware of the 500k dead iraqi kids. I'm not defnding that, and il never defend anything like that. A rejection of leaders like bush, clinton, bush, and obama is a good and healthy thing. But there is no reason that has to turn into worship of putin, or any other statist authoritarian. My only point is that Putin is no friend of free markets or free people. Simply stating he isnt as bad as our past presidents isnt good enough. You guys could try not worshiping some guy who wants to rule over others, rather than directing your hero worship towards someone who doesnt deserve it, you could simply not have hero worship. that is all
as i wrote, the western leaders who carry on perpetual war, make him look a good guy. or a good cop. who knows?
500K dead iragi kids is nothing but a leftist Lancet lie, get a clue. Your stuff is pretty good but dont parrot talking points mmkay..
fair enough, it is who the counts the dead that matters as well. It is hard to know who is to trust, people doing the killing or people whose relatives were being killed. probably the number is somewhere between, although those due to sanctions and poverty included ( caused by the same people ) could make the number even higher. What I know for sure is that the war was planned and was started using "doctored" reports to justify it. That alone manages to make Putin look a nice person in comparation.
Russia is more free in many ways
and gaining..
Better worry about your own country
The problem is that when he does it will probably be here. Utterly provoked to no end but still, here.
On the plus side there is potential that he will be wiser than that. Back to negative - wiser in that he might let China expend a sizable portion of its excess male fighting age population. Happy times again - wiser in that he continues to play prudently and pick off allies and find a way to foster more awareness and awakening amongst Americans.
Oh well, Chinese it is.
What does "will of the people" mean tp people like Putin?
Dick.
Everyone is posturing for WW3. The winner(s) get to write the story.
I doubt you are expert to judge VV Putin
In fact I am sure of that fact.
You would fail intermediate quizzing on knowledge of this subject.
Yet set yourself critic.
Have you taken task to lift your country from despair?
Have you accomplished save your people from depradations of worst predators?
Match this?
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-infograph.html
You have much to learn
Is Obama the American Mugabe wannabe an authoritarian?
Wait until you see his response to this stupid ziomedia-bitch:
http://youtu.be/9F9pQcqPdKo?t=1h57m7s
"I'm sorry, but I LOVE that guy."
Oh, man take a cold shower...
Ewww, now I feel like I should have a shower...
Putin provides a collection of comical contrast to our goons in Washington. To that extent, he has made me smile on occasion. I believe him to be intellectually superior in every way to our own President.
However...the people I speak with in both Russia and the Ukraine are neither happy about their current plot in life nor are they optimistic about their futures. And it's not because I prod them with leading questions.
I don't love Putin at all...he is a fascist and a communist with as much power as Obama only wishes he had. I don't love governments that repress individuals and take away what I still believe to be "inalienable rights" and enforce that supression with military might and a willingness to kill those who resist.
....and if Obama "had a pair" as you suggest, we may even be in a lot more trouble than we are in today. I'm happy with him just spending more time on the golf course.
Putin makes Obama look like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum.
"Eggs" wasn't a euphamism for Jews.
Well if he starts doing that, I will begin looking at apartments in Moscow. That 13% flat tax rate is far superior to the 39% federal rate I currently am extorted into handing over to the tribe.
Maybe you can move next week, Bob? I'm telling ya, it's a virtual paradise over there.
Send us some dash cam videos!
While you're trying to pass yourself off as a libertarian, why don't you explain what you don't like about a 13% flat tax compared to the Lois Lehrner con game we have going on in America?
Already has. and jailed them. and stipped of them of their stolen gains. check it oiut.
intended as a reply to -----9698; somehow it ended up half way down the page.
Whether you like it or not, Putin is still a STATIST. He's not William Wallace.
Hope that pancreatic cancer doesn't cramp his style too much.
Actually, if he is terminal, the power struggle after he dies may be more dangerous than Putin himself.
Good government is an oxymoron.
Government is for the morons.
The enemy of my...
fuck that shit. that sounds like the shit i constantly hear about even if i don't like the republican candidates, and disagree with them on many things, I should still 'vote for the lesser of two evils' which is all putin is. Thats what most people have been doing for decades, holding their nose, and voting for what they believe is the lesser of two evils. which is, by its very definition, still evil to some degree or another. and how has voting for all that evil worked out for us? and someone who is obama's enemy or the EU's enemy is most neccessarily our 'friend' -1
I don't like Putin either but try this. See the potential. He is the enemy of TPTB (apparently if this is not all some act). TPTB is our enemy. The enemy of my enemy could be my friend, for a while anyway.
Thank you replacment, I was away and could not respond to Karls black and white screed. Yes Karl sometimes there is gray and we must learn to play in that area. Putin is an autocrat its true, I do not want to live in Russia. However, I find myself and my country infested with NWO globalists, Fabians and all their ilk. If Putin can weaken them and perhaps help me by doing so, then obviously, the enemy of my enemy...
Russians are better off under Putin. They approve of his job. Clearly, they are in a better position to judge this than you.
Your choice for Russian leader?
Watch. He's gonna say Joseph Lieberman. I think he's available.
i don't believe it is morally just for one human being to rule over another, so my choice for leader of russia would be no one
You mean he's not one of the good guys?? :-)
I hope you are not using the movie Braveheart as your historical reference for William Wallace. He definitely was a Scottish patriot, but not some noble commoner. He was from a wealthy, land owning family and his quest was more for power. It just so happened that he was able to achieve said power by utilizing the revolutionary mindset of the Scots at the time. Curious as to where this mindset was on September 18 of this year.
Exactly "he's not William Hollywood Wallace". William Wallace was absolutely a statist. He would not no what you were talking about if you said otherwise.
Nobody says he is William Wallace. We simply respect him for his willingness to act in his countrys best interest compared to our President who is trying to destroy our country.
Why do you find it necessary to put words in other peoples mouths?
Constructing a state-controlled media, a system with no rule of law and reinstating the gulag system isn't "acting in his countrys [sic] best interest."
I can't teach you to think in a few blog posts. At some point, you're going to need to do it for yourself.
Think, Bob, think!
"Constructing a state-controlled media, a system with no rule of law and reinstating the gulag system isn't "acting in his countrys [sic] best interest."
Are you talking about the United States?
Think, Patriot, Think! Fucking retard!
Sorry Bob, your "facts" are wrong. I can read all manner of opinion about Obama and his policies in American media, but I can ONLY read good things about Putin in Russia Today and the rest of the Russian state-controlled media.
Teaching liberals to think, one post at a time....
Don't feed the troll.
< There's a nail gun accident in Putin's future.
< Watch out for that snow plow on the runway Putin.
i saw the fight you reccomended on U-tube afterwards. it was very interesting.
Golovinck? Oh, he's a fucking predator. Perhaps one of the best fighter, ever, in my book. He's an absolute pleasure to watch at work. The problem he has is that nobody will fight him. Not a single "big" name. They think that they'll lose and along with the loss, their box office draw. He's destined to be a legend.
Golovkin & apparently alvarez is willing to go for it.
You didn't type that...
Yea and Russia is the epitome of free markets and citizen's rights
Both fascsist states on various levels of the spectrum
+1. glad im not the only one. look at all these downvotes without anyone explaining about how free russias markets and citizens are. People on here just get so caught up in despising our curresnt regime in the US that they instinctivly dive into the hero worship on putin just because he is doing what they wish they themselves could do: make western powers look stupid. Still doesnt mean Putin is worthy of praise, as he is no friend of individual freedom or free markets
Hear hear.
glad you are on here. just getting cowardly downvotes, with little in the way of reasoned disagreements
I applaud you as well. The ridiculous love for Putin on this website amazes me. It is all based purely on disdain for our own pathetic government.
"Buh buh buh Putin loves his country!"
Give me a break.
"Buh buh buh Putin loves his country!"
Putin could make a hell of a lot more money if he played along with the bankers and sold his country down the drain like our leaders do.
The fact that he refuses to go along indicates that he places something else above financial enrichment.
I await your explanation.
If the data were tabulated, your fetish master Putinsky is viewed by some as the the richest person in the world.
Love your made up bullshit!
Hey pee brain, don't blame me for your man fetish.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-09-17/vladimir-putin-the-rich...
Even Google has him at 40-70 billion personally, not just control.
Just google it, the answers come from all over the political spectrum, even your section.
You Putin Mancrushers never cease to amaze me...