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Putin To Western Elites: Play-Time Is Over
Most people in the English-speaking parts of the world missed Putin's speech at the Valdai conference in Sochi a few days ago, and, chances are, those of you who have heard of the speech didn't get a chance to read it, and missed its importance. Western media did their best to ignore it or to twist its meaning. Regardless of what you think or don't think of Putin (like the sun and the moon, he does not exist for you to cultivate an opinion) this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill's “Iron Curtain” speech of March 5, 1946.
In this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.
The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:
1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.
2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.
3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.
4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.
5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America's ever-expanding “empire of chaos,” and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia's challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.
6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.
7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.
8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order - until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.
9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia's power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people.
To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:
10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States—but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.
To sum it all up:
play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?
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If Putin were not standing up to the west, there would be a lot more death and destruction. That is not about disdain for our pathetic government.
Hou yeah! :)
I saw and listened to the entire lineup of speakers.
Paul Craig Roberts comments on it here.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/25/vladimir-putin-leader-moral-w...
I disagree on his comments that we can't produce real leaders here in the US.
It will be born of necessity.
Who the fuck wants or needs a 'leader' who presumes to know what's better for me than what I think?
Not me, for one. I'd like to be left alone to figure shit out for myself.
Of late any real 'leaders' in the US - or even potential leaders - have avoided politics like the plague. They see it for the swamp it is - lacking in ethics and morals and having little potential to really make any kind of meaningful change, change that is clearly needed. a few real schemers may be pulling strings behind the scenes in the political morass but I suspect that the leaders we need are just staying vERY far away. You have to sellyour soul to get into politics att he national level and they refuse to do so. Besides.... even if they do get into the system and try to change things, they know they'll meet with some unfortunate 'accident' - look at the number of world leaders and even US politicians who've died in plane crashes and such. SOP for handling threats to the existing order.
We can produce real leaders. They're everywhere, on building site, in the lineup out in the surf, running the supermarket.
We just choose not to elect them.
"We just choose not to elect them."
We choose to not only not elect them, we choose to destroy, lampoon and ridicule them like we did to Ron Paul.
If that doesn't work, we'll find kddie porn on their computers.
Paul Craig Roberts
Dear Friends,
Vladimir Putin’s remarks at the 11th meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club are worth more than a link in my latest column. These are the remarks of a humanitarian political leader, the like of which the world has not seen in my lifetime. Compare Putin to the corrupt war criminal in the White House or to his puppets in office in Germany, UK, France, Japan, Canada, Australia, and you will see the difference between a criminal clique and a leader striving for a humane and livable world in which the interests of all peoples are respected.
In a sane Western society, Putin’s statements would have been reproduced in full and discussions organized with remarks from experts such as Stephen F. Cohen. Choruses of approval would have been heard on television and read in the print media. But, of course, nothing like this is possible in a country whose rulers claim that it is the “exceptional” and “indispensable” country with an extra-legal right to hegemony over the world. As far as Washington and its prostitute media, named “presstitutes” by the trends specialist Gerald Celente, are concerned, no country counts except Washington. “You are with us or against us,” which means “you are our vassals or our enemies.” This means that Washington has declared Russia, China, India, Brazil and other parts of South America, Iran, and South Africa to be enemies.
This is a big chunk of the world for a bankrupt country, hated by its vassal populations and many of its own subjects, that has not won a war since it defeated tiny Japan in 1945 by using nuclear weapons, the only use of such terrible weapons in world history.
As an American, try to image any known American politician, or for that matter any professor at Harvard, Princeton, Yale, or Stanford capable of giving an address to an educated discussion group of the quality of Putin’s remarks. Try to find any American politician capable of responding precisely and directly to questions instead of employing evasion.
No one can read Putin’s remarks without concluding that Putin is the leader of the world.
In my opinion, Putin is such a towering figure that Washington has him marked for assassination. The CIA will use one of the Muslim terrorists that the CIA supports inside Russia. Unlike an American president, who dares not move among the people openly, Putin is not kept remote from the people. Putin is at ease with the Russian people and mingles among them. This makes him an easy target for the CIA to use a Chechnya terrorist, a Jihadist suicide bomber, or the traditional “lone nut” to assassinate Putin.
The immoral, wicked, and declining West is incapable of producing leadership of Putin’s quality. Having defamed Putin, assassinating him will cause little comment in the Western media.
Here are Putin’s remarkable remarks:
Meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club
24 October 2014, Sochi
Vladimir Putin took part in the final plenary meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club’s XI session. The meeting’s theme is The World Order: New Rules or a Game without Rules.
This year, 108 experts, historians and political analysts from 25 countries, including 62 foreign participants, took part in the club’s work.
The plenary meeting summed up the club’s work over the previous three days, which concentrated on analysing the factors eroding the current system of institutions and norms of international law.
PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA VLADIMIR PUTIN: Colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, friends, it is a pleasure to welcome you to the XI meeting of the Valdai International Discussion Club.
It was mentioned already that the club has new co-organisers this year. They include Russian non-governmental organisations, expert groups and leading universities. The idea was also raised of broadening the discussions to include not just issues related to Russia itself but also global politics and the economy.
Read On: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/25/vladimir-putin-leader-moral-world-paul-craig-roberts/
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.
@ Nope...I thought the same thing... but no worries...Hitlery can hit the reset button again!
Yeah ruins...fuck you, maybe you didnt know, because of being brainwahed by your state run media, i get that, but newsflash Russia is a contaminated shit hole
Chelyabinsk: The Most Contaminated Spot on the Planet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYmGCIg9O6Ydup
Vlad impaling the aspirations of the western banking cartels run out of NYC and Tel Aviv and London. LOVE that MAN.
Obama called Russia a regional power, he's made the us the marginal one
"The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia’s decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia."
-Vladimir Putin
Game, Set, Match. Russia has Resouces Gold, Oil & Natural Gas. And, the BRICS new monetary system. The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC has debt, immorality, torture, perpetual war, NSA spying, persecution of political dissent.
Russia also has human capital in intelligent people who are serious and not dumb sheep watching Tv, Hollywood and college ball.
America is filled with morons who think college ball games mean something. These games draw 110,000 people while these dumb amerikans lose more freedoms by the second. Kids at those skools end up in lifetime debt. They are cheering for a skool that will indebt them for LIFE. Idiots.
Fuck you Freddie
Your Stalin, just like Nikita Khrushchev, were pussies, gutless pig drunks
Here, Kennedy challened your bitch Khrushchev, and what did Khrushchev do? Hmm, yeah, he BACKED DOWN LIKE THE gutless limp dick fuck he was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgdUgzAWcrw
Agian, Fuck you and fuck you prolific propaganda mother fucker
Freddie has a bit more credibility around here than you, friend.
You may want to actually read the full speech insted of the paraphrasing by a blogger.
I know it might take 30 minutes of your time, but you wont look like a fool next time.
Those were not Putin's words.
LOL
Obama made us?
WE made ourselves less than what we were by sitting on our fat asses and doing nothing while all this was happening. WE have no one to blame but ourselves.
This G20 in Brisbane should be a real doozy.
Got my popcorn on the ready!
Communist Russia was rough on its population. The descendents of those people that survived it carry the same traits of strength and perseverence. Our country has known no great strife for several generations. We've allowed breeding of some really fucked up gene pools. Ths outta be good.
You're right.
I'm glad I'm watching this shitstorm from a relatively sparcely populated area. It'll be fun seeing what these spoiled on the gov't tit whiners do when ACTUAL "hard times" come 'round.
"We've allowed breeding of some really fucked up gene pools"
I've just had the horrible experience of marking some American graduate student papers for a major college that has learning material online. There were some outstanding efforts (Mostly by Indian/Asian sounding kids), but for every excellent paper, there were 4 others which were indescribably bad. I mean, they are supposed to be graduates! But consistently their childish scrawls were that of a particularly dimwitted 10yr old across the board. It was tiring and very disheartening to have to deal with them.
How on earth do you get a university degree without being able to read and write properly? The thing is, I know my marks are going to cause trouble for the admin because these illiterate morons are usually the same as those who complain loudest about their "Unfair" grades as if they are entitled to good marks by the dubious virtue of being born in the "Greatest country in the world".
As for Putin, I have no particular love of statists anywhere and I do take note of those who warn about him. But judging him by his actions alone, I think Russia and perhaps the whole world is very lucky to have him in power right now. He has been the consistent peacemaker, consistent in his efforts to protect his nation and more importantly consistently outwitting the MIC who have brought such horrors to the world during my lifetime. It seems fairly clear, at least on the surface, that we have a polarized world of Russia et al -v- MIC/IMF cabal and I know which side I am on given a choice between them. Is it a false dichotomy as some suggest? I don't think so.
Outstanding comment.
My comments are not outstanding but i do want to note here that I mentioned this Sochi speech this morning at 9:44 thanks to a saker link posted byvolkadav. I thought the speech profound too...
All roads lead to Paris
Putin is a "peacemaker",? seriously, put the crack pipe down bitch
So I guess that little incursion into Crimea was a visit from the welcome wagon?, and the flights buzzing Europe are just polite greetings of hello?
Wow the state run media is on full brainwashing orders
This is why you have immigrants. They are like rats - quick, smart and very survival-oriented. The hurdle of immigration itself sifts off the least energetic of them. So yeah, while White hereditary Americans are a dying breed, new Americans - made up of the rats of the world - will keep the machine running.
Malachi Constant
" The hurdle of immigration....." Which country are you talking about? Certainly not the US where they crash the border or pile off of planes and boats to become instant FSA members. I'll give survival-oriented out of the three you mentioned as their only attribute. " Will keep the machine running." Indeed, they will vote for big government every time, sometimes twice or more.
Supafly, you oughta check out what's been breeding in the USA. Coupla weeks of no trucks delivering should thin the herd a lot. Could drop a bag of rice and they wouldn't know to mix it with water.
Let me correct it for you.
Communist Russia created and inteded to be run by Communist New Yoowkers was rough on Russian People.
Tribes members had it all good and squared until Joe Stalin killed most of them.
Then the rest of the tribe left to Israel/America screaming.
Nowadays since New Yoowkers can't get their hands on Russian population (thanks to Putin) and half Israel immigrated to USA too, they turned their attention to the ruling "regular" American people.
That is why USA reminds USSR nowadays (same rulers with same principles of rule).
The rulers now show who is "real masters" are and how they rule (same propaganda, same methods, same prison terms)
Now it is "regular American" turn to experience their "rule".
Many states do not see any other ways of ensuring their sovereignty but to obtain their own bombs. This is extremely dangerous. We insist on continuing talks; we are not only in favor of talks, but insist on continuing talks to reduce nuclear arsenals. The less nuclear weapons we have in the world, the better. And we are ready for the most serious, concrete discussions on nuclear disarmament – but only serious discussions without any double standards.
What do I mean? Today, many types of high-precision weaponry are already close to mass-destruction weapons in terms of their capabilities, and in the event of full renunciation of nuclear weapons or radical reduction of nuclear potential, nations that are leaders in creating and producing high-precision systems will have a clear military advantage. Strategic parity will be disrupted, and this is likely to bring destabilization. The use of a so-called first global pre-emptive strike may become tempting. In short, the risks do not decrease, but intensify.
What High-precision weaponry are they talking about??
"are already close to mass-destruction weapons in terms of their capabilities"
Finally a world leader who may be infuenced but is willing to stand up.
Someone has to. Someone, somewhere has to stand up and call the lies.
I think that Putin and Russia know what the game plan is and they are telling the elite behind this that they are ready to fight them. They want Russia to be a non-factor or so weak that they can't do anything and Putin and others won't allow it. We did that crap in Ukraine, what would we think of FSB and other secret agencies of Russia went into Mexico to stir up revolt and take over and internal problems causing a mass migration of illegals into the US and an unstable and dangerous southern border? We wouldn't like that one bit. You see if we play they can play also.
Oh how the Jews in the West hate Mr. Putin...
He will just not obey like their puppet Obama does.. lol
Or... a Third World Facist in an increasingly irrelavant mafia state. Only the Chinese want anything to do with Russia, and that is only because of two things: Russian Oil, and the dwindling supply of authoritarian regimes.
This article was written by someone with Putin's dick hard up their ass. Once a KGB thug, always a KGB thug. Putin's sanctimonious babbling is as believable as the rest of the global establishment's.
Fact 1: There is virtually no leadership on the planet today worthy of the term.
Fact 2: The naysaying, doomsday, prepper crowds can opine all they want - yet even when their racist and bigoted rants contain a grain of truth, they are as culpable as anyone they malign. No chnage is possible unless there are strong ideas for replacing the diseased portions of government with something better.
The average replacement from the commenters on ZH would actually be many steps backward, a fall into utter chaos and feudalism. Which just goes to show how many throwbacks read this once useful blog. Keep running around spouting your fear-mongering racist bullshit, though. You'll be fish in a barrel soon enough.
I for one would like to hear the speech in the original Klingon.
meanwhile, RCB punches everyone in the ribs with a 150 basis point jump to intervene on a ruble that's already lost 15% of its purchasing power vs. the dollar
also, Fearless Leader wasted no time in turning the gas valves back on for Ukraine on a mere promise to pay vs. actual payment
sounds like ol' Pooty Poot needs the money... this is what happens when you're an energy export economy and you decide to shit where you eat by pissing off your consumer base... fucking neoComms will never get this right
The cheaper the crook the gaudier the patter - or if you prefer, the empty can makes the most noise.
"Er...pssst! Can we discuss this in private? I'll have a lot more leeway after the election"
.. er ....I think he meant Fairway......" I'll be on the Fairway after the election......"
Oh boy, the talk sure is getting rough around here. No putting off important decisions. The question is... what does Obama have in the bag? Does he have any say in the club anymore or is he just a driver of trilateral commission policy? Time to stop dropping the ball Obama... assuming you don't have a stroke, I think it's time you walk away with your handicap and let the future take it's course.
..."what does Obama have in the bag?"
A broken tube of glue?
...bent driver & 9 iron along w a bunch of cut up balls.
:/
that leeway will be gone come Tuesday... US voter base is getting ready to tell Obama "pool's closed"
I believe we've just reached the proverbial fork-in-the-road
I believe we've just been told to fork off.
Let's take it.
As Yogi Berra says: Take it!
Would they have eyes to see
Speaking of eyes.....Electricite de France has admitted that unknown drones have overflown SEVEN of its nuclear plants....
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29831897
BBC:
EDF France: Inquiry after drones buzz nuclear sitesISIS? Putin? Kids from South Park?
UFOs. The Belgium flap has turned French.
The world has had enough bullshit from the US and will likely stand strongly behind Putin. A bully to bullies...
The dollar just needs a little push first...but no one wants to be seen taking that poor bedragled currency out for it's last walk. It will have to happen naturally. It is almost at life's end. When it goes the world will reorganize and no country will EVER be permitted to create the 'reserve' again.
@lvpersona-I agree with your post in theory, but I think the US gov't is so thoroughly inept and incompetent, that China/Russia don't fear it at all. Why should they? Economically, those two countries hold all the cards. While they may not want to be seen as the party that leads the dollar to the guillotine (blow back from countries with dollar denominated assets), what makes you think they are not actively seeking to do just that in a behind the scenes manner?
Just curious.
Wah Wah Wah, if its not my way I vill blow up the world, Seriously, how very OLD WORL BS of YOU.
Vladdick wad.
lowgee, struggling a bit, said:
Your affectation of an Uncle Sam accent is embarrassingly poor.
Mind blowing. Highly recommend watching the speech. What leaders are meant to be.
And what the POTUS is meant to be, if he were not totally compromised and did not have the Zapruder film being played to him by his true Masters.
Funny how the limo changed course at the last minute, but Zapruder the Chosen knew just where to wait.
Jack Rubenstein wacked the patsy.
Actually, Jacob Rubenstein.
That's antisemitic.Call ADL>
As Elvis the King used to say "Thank you. Thank you very much".
It's hard to be seen as a good leader when everthing your doing is corrupt. But when your a country that has lots of food and energy, GOLD, and a few nuclear weapons doesn't hurt. you can stand up to the bully. I will bet the us had bullied more countries than any one.
Go Vlad,
Thanks for the hint!
Found it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9pQcqPdKo
No wonder the ziomedia are dead silent about it!
free men need no leaders. but to each his own.
I think many of you dudes are repressed homosexuals and have a serious crush on this guy. He is just a Russian dictator who has natural resources to exploit. Not a messiah or Thomas Jefferson. But I guess he does look good shirtless.
Gays hate Putin for obvious reasons. You're grasping for straws.
And Karl Marx was a Jew. So is Poot'n 'grasping straws' too?
It just seems dang weird how some people, in their frustrated attempts to criticize Putin, are so quick to resort to fag hominems.
Dang weird.
Checked your link. Thank you for the laugh.
This is not the Tim Cook Apple iPhone 6 room where Tim gushes on his homosexulaity.
#10 will never happen because Obola does not negotiate, he dictates. He does not reason, he just decides and proclaims. He does not compromise, he simply makes sophomoric insults. Whether it is all his idea, or he taking orders from others, it all ends up the same. How can anyone reason with a person such as him? Of course, there are others that can serve as intermediaries. John Kerry? Joe Biden? Give me a break. The world is screwed, thanks to "our people". In two years, Hillary or Fake Indian. Yup, that will go well, too. Maybe someday, we can have leaders who are not so self absorbed, who can negotiate and work on behalf of the rest of us, and then we don't need to be the bit players in their personal journeys of self-fulfillment, as they compensate for whatever it is in their lives that screwed them up so much. I'm so sick of being led by psychological retards acting in my name, doing stupid things a ten year old would know not to do, in order to stroke their own egos.
Too many people it appears a struggle is occurring to unseat America as the worlds most dominate nation. For many proud Americans who see the world from the unenlightened and possibly undefendable position of the United States having a right to be in control it is both threatening and frustrating to see control slip away.
It is threatening to think the country might quickly fall to the position of a second rate power mired in debt with many of the options we have come to see as our right suddenly ripped away. It is frustrating that in many ways the country has become its own worse enemy guilty of political inaction and squandering its power through a series of bad choices and missteps. The article below delves into what America must do to turn this around.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/06/americas-struggle-to-stay-on-top.html
"the country has become its own worse enemy guilty of political inaction and squandering its power through a series of bad choices and missteps."
That's it, basically. And as such there can't be too much sympathy, even for the ordinary Joe because he took no interest in what was being done to his country. Interested only in bread and circuses. This failing will be rudely put right when the Ponzi collapses, but too late then.
Joe ordinary had his window of opportunity and no its gone. The only thing to do now is prepare for the unavoidable consequences.
"If there is any presumption it is... against the holders of power, increasing, as the power increases!.... Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men (and nations) are almost always bad men (and nations), even when they exercise influence and not authority" - Historical baddass, Lord Acton
I think Pentagon will accelerate the process of the elimination of bank lobby.
Putin made a gas deal with Ukraine.
1) He does not want Ukrainian nationalism to strengthen
2) He wants to use resources somewhere else in the world urgent right now, since he can't intervene world wide simultaneously. Only USA has that capacity
Big things about to occur
IMO, it's a wet dream that the DOD will reel in the Banksters.
They remind me more of the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham.
There is no evidence in 4000 years of documented world history that bankers were powerful for longer than few years.
Only guns and death settle the issues.
Mayhaps dear fellow, you might take a peek into the history of the City of London.
Which is basically a history of the British Navy which ruled over anybody else
... as an instrument of the City of London banksters, which is similar to the situation we have today.
No. Totally the opposite.
Bankers bowed to military during the glorious days of british navy as bankers bowed to Pentagon during 60s, 70s, 80s until soviet union collapse.
Come on man. That is absolutely false, especially considering the events since 2008. The Banksters are in full control.
Who in the Pentagon is pushing back on these guys? How about some actual proof to these claims of yours? (and I have asked you this before).
define 'proof'
Also, could you provide 'proof' that bankers are in full control (not internet links)
ekm - go read up on the British East India Company and get back to us.
define "proof"
You sound like that assmaggot Clinton. "It depends on what the meaning of is, is".
Way to deflect
Maybe you too Knucks.
The City of London corporation is an unlimited liabilty corporation owned by 10
medieval trade guilds that started the corp. back in 1200 approx.
The Lord mayor is picked from amongst those trade guilds, which are very much alive to this day.
There is no bank guild.The bankers used to pay rent to the City, until they moved out to Canary Wharf.
I think you meant London bankers, the city of London corp.is
a canard for the ignorant.The wrong target.
"There is no evidence in 4000 years of documented world history that bankers were powerful for longer than few years."
then you either haven't read or haven't understood any history of the politicalscape of the west (western Europe) and how kings and monarchs funded their wars, hint: they have been going to private capital to get funding since the middle fucking ages
historic record on this is clear as fucking crystal: throughout the middles ages, monarchs in Europe were frequently bankrupt through endless wars and sheer inbred incompetence, so towards the late medieval period kings had to turn increasingly to private lenders to fund their endless ongoing wars, and it became a steady trend: as kingdoms went bankrupt through disasterous wars ->they had to go to private money to help fund the royal treasuries and conduct more payback wars ->and the debt of kings to private lenders grew -> more and more war profits went to paying back private lenders rather than the kings and nobles who conducted the wars -> the loser kingdoms became even more bankrupt and had to rely even more on private lenders to pay war reparations to the winners.
Throughout this process the influence and power of private financiers steadily grew, and the power of first kings and then nobles steadily weakened as they frequently bankrupted themselves, the rise of financiers and the rise of demoncracy were both as a result of the weakening power of persistently bankrupt kings and nobles in western Europe, this process has been ongoing as long as western europe has engaged in wars century after another, SINCE THE LATE MEDIVAL PERIOD.
The changing of differnt banking companies, or families, may rise or fall just as the tide changes, but as a class, bankers have been slowly and steadily being in charge as powerbrokers in western Europe for HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
try not to talk out of your ass and quote history if you don't know shit, and no, having read high school history does not count in anyway as understanding history.
Yes. Monarchs became bankrupt and they didn't care and there was nothing bankers could do because monarch would send the army
With what money pray tell. Monarchs borrowed money from banksters to pay for armies, arrows cost money you know. If they failed to pay, banksters had the money to finance an army for an enemy of the King, or a revolt, or an assasination.
Leading italics prohibit me from up voting your comment. Ancient ZH script flaw.
ekm - you live in opposite world. The War of 1812 for example was launched as bankster revenge for the US terminating The First National Bank.
Go read some Smedley Butler.
"Yes. Monarchs became bankrupt and they didn't care and there was nothing bankers could do because monarch would send the army"
you still have no fucking clue how the real world works or how wars were conducted do you?
in western europe(not your dicatatorial eastern europe where kings ruled through fear and brutal serfdom), soldiers will only fight when they are paid(or promised payment in war booty). Western european history is full of records of soldiers and armies refusing to answer the calls of monarchs without pay, or coming and then refusing to join battle when they haven't been paid, or halting progress in the middle of an war to demand pay.
For much of the west's history, if you haven't got the money, you haven't got an army, period.
EKM You're originally from eastern Europe right? How do you feel about Putin?
He wants to restore the Russia or Peter the Great, not USSR.
Dangerous man.
But he has no capacity on his own to do that. He is hoping that he could manage something for as long as Obama is in office.
Next president will be a neocon. He knows he's got no chance as he didn't have any with Bush.
Dangerous? To whom or what? If you're starting to sing the Blues on World Peace now, you have officially jumped the shark.
Putin is not anymore dangerous than the idiots running current world affairs in Washington and NY.
Hey, how about this.
Give love a chance, vote Putin!
The world cannot function without Pentagon.
No Pentagon = Absolute world chaos.
The world cannot function with existent western privilege and consumption without the Pentagon.
Of course.
And whether that means "absolute chaos" remains to be seen.
Only the people who benefit from the pentagon's war crimes (and blatant satanic agenda) will be sorry to see it go.
Never trust a false-flag terrorist organization to 'protect' you. It's just a fucking protection racket!
The blowback from US 'involvement' throughout the world since WWII has been IMMENSE. The US has been a huge part of efforts to DENY any form of real democracy to large parts of the world - overthrowing elected leaders who have tried to focus on their own country and do what is best for the people they represent. If those actions put them in cnfilct withthe aims of the US or its corporate powers, those leaders are GONE - through direct or indirect means. And I'm not even talking about nefarious false flag actions...
There's a reason nations want nuclear bombs - it's the one thing that scares off the US.
English is not your first language. But know this, for real,...the world can 'function' without a pentagon. Now fuck off. It did before and will do again. You're very contemporary in your world-view.
The current president is a neocon. Not the neoist possible, but certainly neo.
Neo-con, Neo-liberal are two sides of the selfsame coin.
The current president has cleaned up a lot of neocons from the whole system.
He is enemy number 1 of neocons
Like Niuland,Powers,et al.
You just lost your credibilty EKM.
They are trying to sabotage Obama.
Hence, he is trying to make decisions direct from the white house with Jarrett, Brennan, Rhodes, McDonough
It takes quite a long time to remake the system. The system is pushing him back now. Neocons are in counterattack to regain influence
For the Nth time, let me pull a Joan Rivers ("I spit on inner beauty"):
I spit on my credibility
ekm1 your insights are informative and credible. I always enjoy your posts.
You and I disagree on this completely.
Like I said, not the neoist but no enemy of the military industrial complex, or of global domination.
Same coin.
Neocons and military in total counterattack now.
Military commanders have literally revolted and nobody is getting fired like in the past.
Think of Pentagon as the Permanent Power (or deep state if you will)
And the President (any president) as the Transitional Power.
Possibly, but this kind of infighting doesn't require vast differences in philosophy. I'm sure you're correct in identifying Obama as insufficiently neocon for many in Washington.
I enjoy your perspecitve, ekm1, even if I don't always agree with you. You seem earnest to me.
Rex, you're not Josh'n us are ya?
No EKM, The next president will have a 3rd teat located behind left her elbow.
Pentagon Gen. Jack Rubenstein dual citizen. Yeah they are a friend of American citizens. Putin is a better friend to American citizens than the US govt and that includes military and intel agencies. All govt paarasites.
I think it is a wise approach Russia is taking. Why not? It is not just to have one or two countries ruling the world.
All part ofthe script:
"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."
Myron Fagan
I prefer to take the world at face value first.
As far as the Illuminati goes I like reptillian fantasy then UFO and 'evil banker' stuff ...but the time I can devote to entertainment is limited....Elvis lives too.
Dude! I sat next to Elvis when he was flying the UFO! Get a grip!
I found this enlightening....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_and_Hope
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/The_Anglo-American_Establishment.pdf
I'm tired of this Illuminati BS. That is so 80's. The correct term is Rothschild Zionism. And here's the guy who told us about the Reptileans, to explain it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIcAcrvi2M
LOL. You get 8 upvotes for believing in reptile overlords!?!
Wear your junks with pride, boys. The other side is retarded.
Icke appears to have chosen 'reptilian' as an offhanded label for a group of people whose deficiency of conscience can be explained theoretically by a difference in the shape of their brains, a deficit shared among reptiles, hence the implied insult and objectification.
I am stunned, but not surprised. I just wish we could all get along, and I could prepare for a brighter future full of a lot of hard work and a little luck. Unfortunately, I don't think my wish will come true. Sounds like...smells like...death, destruction, and war for the masses.
But Obama has just learned a new trick with his marbles. He needs to win one to prove himself.
Too many words.
I'll translate.
RUSSIA: "WTF you looking at?"
Translation: Without Russia, China, India and Brazil, the IMF can forget about the SDR coining the NWO.
They insist on a Seat at The Table, not the scraps from the Table.
Note that currently the SDR is composed of the Dollar, Euro, Yen, and Pound.
The SDR is an IMF wet dream. At most, it can act as an international medium of exchange. It will never be accepted as a global store of value. Gold is about to reclaim that role.
but it pays 0.05% interest at minimum!!!!!
"I'm so bullish it hurts"!
I heart IMF
I hope you're right, LVP. I hope you're right.
I think Vlad is serious this time.
At this point, I'd gladly be vaporized if it means my fucking country's handlers finally get what they've got coming. Quite frankly, these sociopaths intolerably degrade my quality of life. Fuck the political and military elites and fuck the fed. May your shadows be cast on bedrock for eternity.
At this point, I'd gladly be vaporized if it means my fucking country's handlers finally get what they've got coming. Quite frankly, these sociopaths intolerably degrade my quality of life. Fuck the political and military elites and fuck the fed. May your shadows be cast on bedrock for eternity.
razorthin
well said and i'd think you would agree - be it Spain, Britian or the US the guy in power always abuses the situation but by no means by the will of the people - it's time to finally be civilized - we seemed to have failed the civility test
yeah, like all the killed billionaires (or any other with an iota of significance) in the WTC building on 9/11.
whatever comes, your handlers will have the heads up, though it's much more likely it will be part of their plan all along.
Russia talks a good talk, but for a long time has mistreated the Jews. God's wheels turn slowly by man's measurement. He will punish a nation when their cup is full. He punished Israel as a nation by dispersing her throughout the world, but brought her back to his land. He also punishes those who punish her, as He will with Russia, Germany, Persia and later in the tribulation with all the nations. But Israel, though now in unbelief, will be brought to faith in the Son of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IuS1vQyBkQ
Go back on your meds. No earthly punishment would suffice for the Jews who foisted Bolshevism on that unfortunate country and then robbed it of its assets after Bolshevism collapsed. Despite this Jews today hold many powerful positions and most of the oligarch thieves were allowed keep their loot.
Israel is in sin in this dispensation. God sees the end, when Israel will know their God. "All Israel will be saved." 2/3's of them will be killed before they repent and call on Messiah to return.
Go fuck yourself and wash that smegma, zio troll.
How many millions of Russians were killed by those z-Bolsheviks from New York City? Russia has been a Christian country for over 1025 years.
First, the Jewish Bolsheviks slaughtered the Russians. Second, many Russian Jews prefer to be Russians, Abromovich and Medved for example. Heglian failure for you.
You Zheads always have the same kneejerk reaction to any mention of Zionism in a good sense. You're writing of Lenin? He was a Communist. He couldn't have "slaughtered the Russians" wo Russians helping.
The NKVD was a Jewish operation.
Sounds like your cup is full. GOD gave you a brain for a reason...you should use it....lest he taketh it away
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.