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Putin To Western Elites: Play-Time Is Over
Most people in the English-speaking parts of the world missed Putin's speech at the Valdai conference in Sochi a few days ago, and, chances are, those of you who have heard of the speech didn't get a chance to read it, and missed its importance. Western media did their best to ignore it or to twist its meaning. Regardless of what you think or don't think of Putin (like the sun and the moon, he does not exist for you to cultivate an opinion) this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill's “Iron Curtain” speech of March 5, 1946.
In this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.
The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:
1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.
2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.
3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.
4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.
5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America's ever-expanding “empire of chaos,” and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia's challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.
6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.
7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.
8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order - until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.
9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia's power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people.
To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:
10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States—but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.
To sum it all up:
play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?
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Talk all you want, you can't hide how screwed your country is at this point. Claim Jupiter as Russian territory if you want, too. Nobody cares anymore.
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except Santa. Santa's going to be pissed when his toyshop gets bombed just so Putin can show the world what a fearful badass he is.
Gref, talk some sense into this stooge will you?
GDP growth, consilidated budget growth, surplus in trade, massive developments not seen since Breznev era. I would say you know very little of Russia. Not surprising since you cannot speak Russian.
Not suprising because jm is a consistantly on message Zionist idealogue. Interesting avatar he chose because white is black and black is white in his world.
I can usually find some common ground with most folks, possibly because there is almost always some merit in people whoever they may be. But I find it curious that I find the views of zionists completely abhorrent and irrational consistently on a variety of topics. They are so far removed from any concept of moral behaviour that it is simply impossible for me to find any good in them. Evil is a word I very rarely use, but I think it is apt in describing zionists who personify the kind of backward delusional exceptionalism without any depth of self awareness to their actions. One must note that many decent jewish folks (Yes they do exist) bear no relationship with these zionists who have usurped them.
It's a pity.
Isn't that the truth? You can tell them apart for their "chosenness".
It starts in the Bible with Joshua: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=joshua+1&version=NIV
Start with Joshua:1 and keep on reading until you can take it no more.
TL;DR version: voices in Joshua's head granted ownership of already occupied lands that his armies proceeded to invade, destroying property, slaughtering men, women, children and livestock, and looting everything of value along the way.
This nonsense of a Chosen People in God's given lands is still believed to this day. Standard megalomaniacal psychopathy and pure evil, right up there with Muhammad's love for destruction, slaughter, rape and looting. Clearly, "thou shalt not kill", and "thou shalt not steal", penned by Moses (via the voices in his head) and carried around by Joshua, applied only to Joshua's in-group with every other human being fair game.
Pure evil.
Et tu, Mediocritas?
I'm talking here about a nation that explicitly claims the arctic for itself and is building out military installations. Peace-loving indeed.
And refuting some doofus that is trying to convince everyone that the sanctions have lead to a golden age in Russia.
And you assclowns have yet again turned this forum into a Jew-bashing session, justified by action committed circa 1500BC.
Give me some junk for trying to NOT make this about Jews.
I didn't even read your post, I started at YHC's hence responded to him (not you). Something about his avatar always catches my eye.
As for Jews, my own sister converted to Judaism, plus I'm a scientist so have plenty of Jewish friends, colleagues and extended family. As far as I can tell, none of them actually believe in bullshit fairy tales or go around killing & stealing (or endorsing it) in accordance with those fairy tales.
The preferred Supreme Leader (or lack) of a violent asshole is irrelevant. What matters is that s/he's a violent asshole. I don't discriminate, they're all equal dickheads.
Besides, those guys weren't even talking about Jews they were talking about the belief system known as Zionism that leads to so much bloodshed. There's a difference between a race and a belief.
Finally, don't be the thread police dude, nobody likes the thread police and people are off-topic 95% of the time here so you'll never keep up writing tickets.
Whatever assclown. I'll leave to your filth.
You again? Not going to deconstruct your shit this time, bro. You can't even read a PMI index. And you aren't making your case by talking about the Brezhnev era, lol. From what I see from ads on this site, every breathing Russian women is trying to marry a westerner to get the hell out of there.
I'll never be spending much time picking up Russian. I'm sure i would never hear the end of colossal RUSSIAN exceptionalism in the vernacular. Russians beat Americans hands-down in the inflated sense of self category.
"Most important speech since churchhill's 'iron curtain' speech... Give it a rest douchebags
A reading above 50 indicates an expansion of the manufacturing sector compared to the previous month; below 50 represents a contraction; while 50 indicates no change.
- Trading economics
So if a country gets 53 previous month and it is 50 the next, means there isn't a change from previous. A 53 of this month would mean it increased since last months 53.
I can give you all those nice links I did in the other thread.
SO a reading of 50 means there is no expansion. Russian PMI is at 50 you goat. Still not buying your golden age fantasy.
PMI last month was 53, PMI is 50.25. Which means it is .25 higher than 53 previous month.
I see you even bother reading the links I have provided. It does put you in your place.
50.1
The new propaganda tactic is to never shut up until all opposition gives up trying to talk sense.
So in other words you won't bother to read the links? Not surprising.
The links are all from Russia insider. Not the objective source i am looking for to brush up on the greatest Russian expansion since the Brezhnev era.
I see, so when it doesn't fit your agenda (even though they are linked and mention where the sources come from if it isn't their own oped) you will discredit it anyway. Regardless, they had a GDP growth and budget surplus and a growth in consolidated budget.
Enjoy yourself JM.
You don't need someone's expert opinion when the market data is there for all to see.
Russia can't even auction it's govvie debt. 10y yields are at 10%. Russian corporates are a spread over that! And the debt is in euros and dollars--if you knew anything at all about business, you would realize you can't stay afloat this way.
REPORTED profits for Russian businesses have absolutely collapsed - check Gasprom, any business issuing a public income statement will show the same.
Fx reserves are in full run-out. It is so bad that BoRUS is having to consider hiking rates to keep the currency from collapsing further.
These are the facts, not some cooked up oped piece.
I on the other hand, provided links. Should I also mention GDP growth was mentioned by the government of Russia?
That, and the bonds are government yield (so what). Businesses sell shares. Hence why Russia will only bail companies if they buy the shares. Debt within Russia is actually in Rubles. Believe it or not, but the entire economy internally is in Rubles. All foreign debt may be US, but not all companies have such debt besides large companies, who can weather this quite easily (they can dump their debt). No more foreign loans from west now anyway, so if they decide to default on them, too bad. Wont make a difference for them.
http://www.finmarket.ru/news/3852340
here you go, another link.
Hey, go steal an organ somewhere!
You are one mentally
obsessed with Russia somehow...
is it important to you?
you never explained any direct connection
What any Russian ever did to you?
better worry about your own country
And if you are Russian and speak Russian about anything President for Life Putin deems unacceptable you go to jail in the land of Putin. When others claim Putin has the total support of those he rules without dissent it is because of not allowing any thoughts or speech which he does not want th hear. Before the down votes begin check out what happens if more than two citizens of Russia gather to display any belief which Putin wishes to crush, they go to jail. This is not the action of a man who cares about those governed.
uhhh, I think you're living in the past bro'. You should check out the USA incarceration rate, and, for a really good time, google Police Killilng Civilians. This is another category where the USA is number 1. Last year, police in the good ol' USA killed 408 civilians. 2nd place was Germany, with 8.
Now, does that sound like (incarceration rate and police murder) the free-est country in the world. Ha!
There are quite a bit of people who speek against him. No one has proven he killed anyone. Most deaths of journalists seems to be in either Chechnya (or my country, Ukraine, currently).
Psst, your exceptionalism is showing.
I suspect that the US has had a series of weak (mentally and physically) so they could be handled better by those who do the handling. I don't think it is deep conspiracy but we do have a group that feels superior to the ordinary man and feels the need to control us.
This is enabled by the ability to print a reserve currency in unlimited amounts. The end of this status will be a very good thing for liberty, though painful. When leaders have to beg for tax money they become more attentive to the voters. Today they can completely ignore us.
This is the truth. There is a group of people that think they are better than others....they call themselves 'Elites'. How do I know, well up to about 10 years ago, I was a normal everyday guy, kinda clueless to some things in this world. I was having a pretty stimulating conversation with a friend who is a college professor (and she studied gifted children/education). She blantantly asked (and assumed) that I was an 'Elite' (I guess from my education, postion, knowledge, etc) and how I like my job of tellling other people what to do (manager/business partner).
I very quickly picked up on this and poked around a little bit with her. Her thoughts is that groups like us (she included me in her ranks) had far superior intellect and that it was our job to tell the other people of this world what to do......
This didn't sit well with me. I took it to heart that these types of people are out there and this actually started me down the path I am now on....I say piss on Elites. Each person is capable of making their own decisions....and if not, then they don't belong in the gene pool.
Spoiled...Sounds like all she had was book learning..not intellect
no logic no reason
I know dozen Russian Ladies beat her type everyway, especially feminity while doing it
best educated in world
Loosers who are failing at home like to have a foreign enemy to distract attention from their incompetence. Putin seems to be paying it little mind though, and seems to know better than to get into a pissing contest with a bunch of skunks.
Plus he now appears to have got both Crimea and the gaz bill paid (by the skunks). Good year's work, I'd say.
My daughter works for NCR. Their biggest customer is Russian bank ATM machines. The world is so interconnected that I dont know how major countries go to war today. The Antares space rocket that just blew up had Russian engines in it. Because it exploded the Russians sent their rocket to the international space station with supplies. My point is that there are so many shared business connections that I dont see how it all stops to instigate war.
Germnay and Britain had deeply interconnected economies even in the run-up to WW1. They even attended their respective naval drills only months before the war's outbreak.
Wallstreet invested in Nazi Germany. Business conncections went on well far into WWII.
Cause war is a racket.
Wanna read the speech in it's entirety. Here it is translated, from Paul Craig Roberts, so it is probably a pretty good translation.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/25/vladimir-putin-leader-moral-w...
Whoda ever thunk that so many Americans would have more respect for the President of Russia than the POTUS.
Ha ha, this is hilarious ... Putin as the "grown-up" on the international scene. I do hope he kep his shirt on for this speech... his homoerotic preening is such an unsavory sight.
What Putin actually is of course, is a thug who kills any journalist that digs up uncomfortable truths about him. His success in reviving Russia stems entirely from the fact that Russia has a ton of oil and gas, and he took charge when prices were rising. Now they are falling. Now Russia will get to enjoy the fruits of being quite stagnant in any industry not based on resource extraction.
You don't have to go to Russia to find a thug. Just dial 911 and they'll send some right over.
And those thugs have killed more Americans since 9/11/01 than soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Kinda makes you wonder who the US Gov is reallyl at war with.
The guy poisoned in London years ago was probably killed by Boris Berezovsky the oligarch who is dead now. The West blamed Putin.
Hopefully the other Soros-backed billonaire dual-citizens will join Berezovsky soon/
"The Phony Litvinenko Murder" William Dunkerley
Brits now implicated, and don't want talk about it anymore..
you are correct..
Criminals run for instant asylum to UK explains it all....
Lying media and Goldfarb wrote the note
Even Litvinenko's Father told he was traitor and into crime
Russian intelligence had tried warn Brits about "hot" smuggling, never got decent response
cos there was not interest except make which damage Russia
http://www.omnicompress.com/plmblog/ (blog appears not fully updated)
a thug who kills any journalist that digs up uncomfortable truths about him
Why dont you ask Andrew Breitbart or Michael Hastings about digging up political dirt in the goold 'ole USSA.
Sheryl Atkinson has gotten the "Putin" treatment too.
Dont be so naive
Just to annoy the money changers and their lackies. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yR0y7HC0Z6w/VE0zs9TgJ_I/AAAAAAAAGbA/71H-4IgTu5...
Putin is hardly the grown up, not that anyone else is, this BS of world wars, seriuosly, that same BS from the Comms? Seriusoly, he is now at the same level as the others, wah wah wah its MY way or I will blow up the world....dick wad.
You're talking about Obama, right?
razor-yes exactly. their quest for world domination has met its match. how fucking stupid for any group to think such nonsense. a neighborhood can barely get along. to think they could control the world with monertary policy is ubsurd. try as they will, the mic as ekm1 suggests is gaining power. it would not suprise if there was coupe(sp), with the armed forces running
ramshod over the executive branch with congress illrelavant as they presently are. what constitution? what rule of law?
"And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America."
The United States (DC US) on behalf of, and as the dog of, Greater Israel.
Incredible how many sheeple are unaware of the doom that is approaching them--police-state, petrodollar collapse, country sold off to foreigners, retribution by pissed off foreigners, etc.
Sad.
An American, not US subject.
Putin is about to meet his match on the world stage. Soon to be put back into his box, America's new president will be a force to be reckoned with. As of today, Putin must fear the coming Jeb Bush presidency, or the alternative Hillary Clinton presidency. So Putin can well fear what is coming. The American voter, free to elect the best man/woman to represent us on the world stage. We will pick Jeb or Cliton. Both heavy weight Banker whores, Israelis and dupes of the military industrial spy complex. 300 million to pick from and Cliton of Bush will be the next President. Ha! Take that Putin, you fag.
O'Bummer will be around until Jan 2017.
This shitstorm is gonna be long since decided one way or another before Jan 2017
Much sooner.
Putin just threw down the gauntlet for the G20 meet in December.That meet is the
deadline for the US to agree to the new IMF rules, or be cut out.
The bluff has been called.
Message from Flounder. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I
Sheesh, not I am a fan of whats going on, but going back to the eighties? that so back to the future. Are there any real leaders tha can keep a countries uniqueness and still get along with evryone, or are to play this insane game of who is the biggest and baddest for ever.
The world is not perfect but damn, I thought by the year 2014we would be in a different frame of exitence, that also goe for the damn Chinese, Indinas and Pakistanis.
The real fight is the damn idiots beheading people because of whatever reason they feel like....
You maean the Saudis? They did 22 beheadings in September. Just a normal month for them.
Although I also think it will be one of these two, I can only hope rumors of her brain tumor are true and she will be too ill to run. And ol' Jeb is about as NWO as you can get. Definitely have to disagree about the American voter being free to elect either one though. Sorry Jack. I think she will be more prepared than in '08 if she does run. She won't be running her mouth off about reigning in the banks next time around.
Neither Bush nor Clinton will win. Too much for the oligarchs to lose with either of them.
Either you have gone full retard or you forgot the /sarc
It should be obvious that you're joking but you got me guessing here.
Who are you and what happened to Jack Burton?
That's what I said to myself when I read it. :)
Discernment is required to be able to make a choice.
How can you expect americans to make a good choice about their leaders if they cannot even choose food that won't turn them into human whales?
LOL, classic Jack. been watchin you a long time
Um...didnt mean watching like as in Tim Cook kind of watching....um ..er...well you know...I'm no fag (oh shit I didnt mean that either) oh fuck it never mind.
Indeed, Jack Burton is a master sarcastician. It's been awhile since he's let loose with one like this. Definitely a skilled artisan at work.
Stooooge! Don't go away like Akak. We have work to do. Note - haven't seen you in a while.
Good one Jack!
A lot of people here clearly did not get it...
+1
It's amazing how many down votes that post got.
Definately people from the shallow end of the gene pool
i wonder how he will feel when oil hits $50 ...
He's not selling for Dollars so it shouldn't matter
The US will likely lose the control over oil prices before long and can spray paint whatever price on the boards of CME. Same with gold and silver.
Wwho gives a shit? China's economy is growing larger than the US economy.
China is BRICS and the US is? ALL ALONE
Why break up the speech like that? Just print the whole thing. It's a very good speech. And it's not directed at the US. It's directed at people who are clinging to these international organizations thinking that they matter. He's saying the US is making up the rules as they go. They've gone rogue. And what was once put in place to prevent a country from going rogue, the US is undermining.
It's a very important speech in international relations. Don't be so silly as to take a few excerpts.
Most people here cannot read Russian. They read what is given to them and they believe it. Russia is quite a pleasant country with plenty of industry (most think it is only oil and gas, when it accounts for around 25% of its consolidated budget). But, regardless, people think otherwise here. While average Russian (and many people in eastern Ukraine who use their products) knows otherwise. I believe tsun su stated never to underestimate your enemy. I believe Americans rely on underestimating their enemy just to make themselves feel superior.
"The trouble is that the stupid people--who constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations--do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a newspaper.."
-* Mark Twain 1873*
http://eng.news.kremlin.ru/news/23137
Full speech including the Q&A session.
Mike absolutely correct!
I think hubris is concentrated inside the DC Beltway at this point.
Maybe a couple of other people who are still fighting the Cold War.
Agree
Russia is beautiful
jack-can't imagine a turnaround of policy or anything that forstalls the conflicts that are escalating, so i have to mostly agree. if the dolla somehow gets smashed all bets are off, but the work around(petro dolla) is gaining traction-time will tell, the crumble is well underway, til the whole fucking mess free falls...
there will not be another US presidential election
Obama will stay in power
It will be bad for all
message from above
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You're standing in the basement of an outhouse?
no, not quite right
outhouses have no basement
I am sure you know that
But, you will see what I have said is true
There will be no election day
We no longer be the same country
and Obama will be the dictator
the whimp will become very brutal
Of course Putin can be quite brutal too
Sheesh, not I am a fan of whats going on, but going back to the eighties? that so back to the future. Are there any real leaders tha can keep a countries uniqueness and still get along with evryone, or are we to play this insane game of who is the biggest and baddest for ever.
The world is not perfect but damn, I thought by the year 2014we would be in a different frame of exitence, that also goe for the damn Chinese, Indinas and Pakistanis.
The real fight is the damn idiots beheading people because of whatever reason they feel like....
dont breed
Thumps up. Way to go Russia!
"It is certain, however, that, despite that the global economic oligarchy has lost valuable time because of its wrong moves, it will not give up its plans for Russia easily ..."
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/05/the-big-barrier-called-putin....
Wait, is it the weekend? Usually, the FSB Tyler does these posts on Saturday and Sunday.
Great to see a real statesman on the world stage. Putin is also a Russian patriot. He is looking after the interest of his country, unlike the vermin running the United States that only look after corporate interests and the interests of Israel.
Putin/Ventura 2016. Kick the bolsheviks OUT.
Ventura is a leftist prick, proclaimed independance and danced to the leftist tune, make him your governor and find out.. Wait you cannot he is too busy suing widows into bankruptcy.
If it were not so sad, it would be hilarous how so many people here will get down on their knees and polish the knob of a corrupt, plutocratic, thugish dictator [Putin] all the while denegrating another equally corrupt, plutocratic, thugish dictator [insert favorite despised western leader here].
Time to start kicking zioqueer ass. Rendition the israeli oligarchs back to Lubeyanka and get them squeeling like the swine they are, revealing all the plans. Be it 9/11, London tube, Ukraine. All of it. Rendition and then confiscation of global assets. Get Snowden to put together all the audio/video of the 9/11 planners then hack it into the primetime slime the goyim are force fed. Game over.
That's exactly how I would do it too. And if two Jones like us know this, yet it's not done. Means it will not be done.
Hang on. The worm just started turning.
"Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics"
Putin's speech was a reaction to the speech that Obama gave to the UN a few weeks ago where he stated that the world faces three threats: Ebola, Russia and ISIS. Obama made a very aggressive assertion there. And Putin came out swinging in reply.
But fuck all this war propaganda on both sides. Tone down this shit. This can easily spiral out of control. Or perhaps they want a war.
Paul Craig Roberts: “Washington has Putin marked for assassination” http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=256898.msg1489266#msg1489266
@Youri- Putin has begun traveling with his own food so as not to eat anything else in a foreign country. The only individuals allowed to prepare food/serve him are high level security agents in his personal detail. The man is definitely acting like someone who knows the contract is out on him.
Paul Craig Roberts is good, but I have my doubts about Alex "ZioNazi" Jones. If you look at 29 of his largest 30 radio sponsors, they are all jewish run/owned companies. He is married to a jew and therefore his children are jews. He is a dual citizen. He provides some good information, but he refuses to go all the way (name names).
I'm with you on Jones. Research a group called The Trust that the Boleshviks created back in the time of their rape of Russia. Lured all of their enemies into a group that they thought was fighting the bolshies. The fact that Bill Cooper (Behold a Pale Horse) called out AJ as a liar and a fraud days before he was killed makes one question who AJ really is.
Agree with you all the way Infinite. I am also glad you brought up Bill Cooper, Behold A Pale Horse was one of the books that woke me up. I got it my senior year of high school and it blew my mind. He spoke the truth and got executed for it. I will look up The Trust group you mentioned, thanks for the tip.
"The immoral, wicked, and declining West is incapable of producing leadership of Putin’s quality."----PCR
The west is quite capable of producing a great leader, he/she/it just won't appear on any ballot in the west.
3. The builders of the New World Order have failed
Sounds good to me.
its 3 am before the big morning of planned change.......... and "all"the elites and global actors of merit are maneuvering for the best chair before the music stops....same macro plan differing national agendas....see GHWB's nwo speech..that "real chance" is coming to fruition soon....the pentagons "arc of intsability" already baked in....sso solly no mad max fer you in 1st world....unbridled capitalism combined with global ,not national socialism always seeks greater efficiencies...thats the age old dream coming together slowly but inexorably .....global games...treaties all...qui bono.....than AU goes to low 3 digits....same card same, bank ,any nation...or ya cant do business ya dig.... Pax Romana 2.0
He talks the talk....Will he walk the walk?
Will these deceptions be terminated?
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928
Liberty walks into the pub.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_YyK5Y6hh4
Will these deceptions end?
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928
@ekm
Please tell me you had at least a blowjob from that neocon babe Sarah Palin. Her agenda at the time was clearly to bring Russia into the mold of the neocon's "axis of evil".
You clearly seem to have the hots for Nuland as well!
My German POV seems polar opposite of yours which I have to admit, is not commonly shared by many Germans because of the indoctrination. They will come around. Give it time.
Putin is not the threat to world peace. The US cabal in DC and on Wall Street is. That includes the goofy Pentagon types.
Enough , indeed .
Consumerism is dead .
Humans are sick of it .
Sustainability and Ostrum is now the name of the game .
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-quiet-revolution.html
https://www.academia.edu/9035098/_Enough_Cried_the_Golden_Goose_
https://www.academia.edu/9031355/The_Were-Sheeples_Almanac
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/10/were-sheeples-almanac.html
seems practical i want my vote to count
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world government is overblown
It's not hard to smell Obama's and Europe's weakness. Putin smells blood.
God will decide
Inshallah ,
The coin has been tossed .
The die is in the air ,
to die with a hairy ass !
oh , the embarassment !
This is like watching two trains slowly accelerate toward each other on a single track. Putin has essentailly backed himself into a corner. There's no turning back. If he is challenged and he backs down, that's the end of his political career. Knowing this, the western leaders should not put him in a position where he is forced to act.
What I'm saying is common sense, but most leaders are retarded, so I'm betting a war will happen. Everyone reading this, have you ever had a job where a boss accidentally forced you to quit? Example, you take a legit sick day and you get shit for it. If you call in sick in the future, you'll get shit again, but if you come in while sick, you're basically cowering to an unreasonable demand, so the only logical option is to find another job. I doubt Obama and Biden are smarter than the average boss. They might accidentally force Putin to do something.
Or they could be bloodthirsty psychopathic maniacs and do it on a lark.
Happy thoughts and sweet dreams.
Olympic Chemtrails Geoengineering Sochi Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9giu6ozw-uU (11:58)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqcTcEJtQTk (0:26)
Red Ice Radio - Dane Wigington - Hour 1 - Geoengineering & Collapse of Civilization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g06VAkDOdw (50:01)
Russia's increasingly finding itself in a tight spot. Sure, it's got plenty of currency reserves, but those are being bled away at a frightening pace (e.g., Russia recently spent $2.5 billion during ONE DAY in a vain attempt at propping up the ruble). Even Russia admits that these interventions can't go on interminably, for the obvious reason that Russia would go broke effectively trying to fight the market.
It'll be interesting to see how Russian firms handle the $140 billion in foreign debt obligations that are coming due in 2015. Let's face it, next year is going to be brutal for them, as there are no good choices. The funds might come from currency reserves, gold sales or perhaps taking on high yield debt (Russia's government recently sold bonds at nearly 10% yields). Hobbesian choices, all.
Putin's anger at being upbraided by the West is surfacing, as Russia increasingly lashes out with military air displays in the vicinity of the US and Europe.
No doubt the sanctions cobbled together thus far will exact a price from the sanctioners, but it's likely to be a significantly smaller price for Europe than for Putin's Soviet Union V2.0.
From my conversations with extended family via Skype currently in Russia, prices have already gone up, particularly on imported goods, which Russians have become accustomed to. It's only going to get worse.
" It'll be interesting to see how Russian firms handle the $140 billion in foreign debt obligations that are coming due in 2015. Let's face it, next year is going to be brutal for them, as there are no good choices. The funds might come from currency reserves, gold sales or perhaps taking on high yield debt (Russia's government recently sold bonds at nearly 10% yields). Hobbesian choices, all."
Or... they could just print it like the Federal Reserve
why do I feel that debt service is less and less a REAL concern for certain nations at this point?
I think Putin is giving the signal a re-set (through war if necessary) is unavoidable
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You apparently don't understand how it works, Bob. You can pay for debts denominated in your own currency, but not someone else's. Nevertheless, no doubt Russia will eventually print plenty.
Or they could get China to dump treasuries, start accepting only Rubles, Yuan, and Gold for oil/gas. Those actions might shake things up a bit.
France doesn't want to play ball with the US. Germany is hedging (politically) like crazy. England is all in, sorta. Italy, Spain, and Greece are basket cases. Um, who else matters? Oh, Turkey seems ready to switch sides whenever the need arises. South America is goneski. Japan is dying. Yep, things are looking good, as long as the dollar dominates. Guess its up to the Saudis.
Unlikely. Remember, Russia hasn't just defaulted on its debt, it's defaulted recently. Russia has a low debt-to-GDP because no one will lend to it except by being compensated exorbitantly. Recall that Russia recently sold debt at almost a 10% yield. The yuan stands a far better chance of settling debts in its currency than the ruble ever will, and even the yuan faces tremendous headwinds.
USA has defaulted more recently.
Monetizing the debt is a default to the RoW, and they know it.
Russia has defaulted overtly and recently, Bob: by subtracting zeroes from the value of its currency.
Teaching liberals to think, one post at a time....
No doubt the sanctions cobbled together thus far will exact a price from the sanctioners, but it's likely to be a significantly smaller price for Europe than for Putin's Soviet Union V2.0.
It can't be like the Soviet Union without more Jews leading the "revolution" for the peasants that they're about to exploit again.
Ironic how the American Left now hates the so-called "neocons." Oh, so now you hate the former Communists that supposedly didn't stick with the politics that typified the rest of the tribe?The issue of Right vs. Left among the goyim, that's not important from a different perspective. There is one Tribe destined to rule them all beneath the shadow of One World Trade Center after the collapse of the Two Towers. Still waiting on The Return of King... that will be in the next episode, I shouldn't wonder. But WTC 7 didn't collapse on time... just saying.
5 pages....
I was wondering what was taking so long for this thread to get to 9/11 and the WTC.
Yawn... I have In-laws in St. Petersburg and they haven't any significant changes in prices.
"this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill's “Iron Curtain” speech of March 5, 1946"
Hyperbole much? That's ridiculous
Agree..
Comparison to War Criminal Churchill's political talkings is ill chosen and insult to President Putin and Russian People
Ever wonder why there's such an overabundance of Russian dash cam car wreck videos on Youtube? It's because roadside crime in Russia is rampant, and ordinary citizens are looking to protect themselves. I've personally experienced being shaken down by Russian "militsia" who were soliciting bribes from drivers. Russian drivers are looking to protect themselves from the wide variety of scams, pre-planned accidents and even corruption FROM THEIR OWN POLICE FORCE, so they fight back with these inexpensive dash cams.
Imagine that...Zero Hedge's fantasy country - complete with impeccable Putin leadership - is a mecca of criminality and official corruption!
Which Russian city are you Zero Hedgers gathering in following your expatriation from the US? Moscow? St. Pete? Somewhere east of the Urals? Do tell!
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5TUhuvyxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a88B3xZu8yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3mTrLVVpOw
You prefer Detroit or Baltimore?
No, I never did wonder why there there where so many dash cams there. The dash cams are not there because of the cops. Yes, the cops are corrupt as hell unless you know someone or make a bribe. You know, like everywhere else in the world?
The cams are there to prove that someone else smashed into them and then it goes private. Russia is bumper cars from what I saw.
What Russian city are we going to go to? Why would we tell you? You assume that none of us have ever been to Russia much less have relatives there.
My Russian relatives confirm it's both as protection from the cops and the scams from other citizens (e.g., backing up into you and then claiming you rear-ended them).
Perhaps so AP but you are still AP from Marketwatch. Our memories are long around this place.
To be honest, I always thought that AP was such an ass as to be funny in a way. How did that 3x $456 etf gold short go for you from four years ago? Ooops. Grandma's silverware set was sold too as I recall.
Only now, after all of these years, we learn that you have Russian relatives? OK. You do have a sense of humor AP. And you are still an ass.
Beautiful Mani. Nice work.
About the dash cams, they appeared under the chaos of the Zino paradise for oligarchs that was the Yeltsin regieme. The pliable, Jewish? Yeltsin days when the country was looted and Behrezovsky ran the show behind the scenes and Vladimir Gusinsky, the dual-citizen media mogul kept the people mezmerized is the model the money changers want to go back to, would be back to already if Putin didn't send them all packing.
You say: "I've personally experienced being shaken down by Russian "militsia" who were soliciting bribes from drivers."
Funny... I've spent a helleuva lot of time working in and visiting In-laws in St. Petersburg Russia for nearly two decades and have never been hassled by the cops or anyone else. I suspect if it really happened to you, it's probably because you were being a dick.
You drive through certain Chicago neighborhoods you should forget the dashcam and mount a .50 cal there.
The Country to the North seems to be kicking it into gear.
Time for some more Malaysian Airplanes to go missing and/or mysteriously be shot down? hmmmn? huh, yes..
I pray a free and independent South is part of any "new order." Would very much like to be free from DC. www.leagueofthesouth.com
What thinking person in this world doesn't want to be free from DC?
Full translated text is here....it starts a little further down after the 10 "points" ...
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-...
The guy sounds lucid, much more so than President Obola.
Amerikan Patriot: Ever wonder why there's such an overabundance of Russian dash cam car wreck videos on Youtube? It's because roadside crime in Russia is rampant, and ordinary citizens are looking to protect themselves. I've personally experienced being shaken down by Russian "militsia" who were soliciting bribes from drivers.
Same shit, different country, our blue team over here just likes the formality of issuing you a ticket.
Nope. They issue tickets in Russia as well, but because of the sub-standard wages paid to policemen and other low-level government workers, they like to supplement their income by soliciting bribes.
Like we dont have civil forfeiture laws on the books here you rah rah flag waving hypocrite.
Go wax your bald eagle
They've been trending away from the Jew World Order for a while:
Putin is one man, without whoever all those people and generals are behind him he would not be messing with Victoria Nuland/Nudelman and the so-called neocons in general. Russians are going to wind up holding all the cards at this rate, if they follow through and do not sell out. From 911 truth. (Truthers) to the Holocaust archives from the old Jewish Bolsheviks... and perhaps a few documents about fake chimneys. (Deniers and Truthers?)
Even if they sit back and do not do much more, the international net/internet is going to keep growing and catching Jewish oligarchs and their shabbat goyim crime families, given how sticky it is. It makes it "difficult to govern" by traditional methods too. What are they going to do about that?
This type of stuff doesn't seem to be working either:
The hoax, a “game theory warfare” operation, was meant to “sucker punch” both Russia and the US. If those responsible, in this case the New York based ADL, were caught, and they have been, there would be no consequences. ....
Representatives of separatist groups reputed to have issued the edicts not only denied any involvement but pointed out that the documents themselves were photoshopped and included seals from the previous government and imaginary titles for offices that simply don’t exist.
From an April 18, 2014 article in Russia Today:“A letter urging the Jews of Donetsk to get registered, which the US Secretary of State cited in Geneva, is a fake, says a man whose signature appears on the communication. Following the four-side meeting on the Ukrainian crisis in Geneva on Wednesday, John Kerry lashed out at a letter that was allegedly sent to Jewish citizens in Ukraine’s eastern town of Donetsk, asking them to register and report all their property, or be stripped of citizenship and face expulsion. PressTV
PressTV, so take it for what it's worth. But it sounds like something straight out of the "Yellow Cake in their underpants" scam, in which they didn't even have the right official's name on the document or the date right.
By the way: End all foreign aid to Israel. Now. Forty years ago. Or before the USS Liberty "incident." How long is this going to go on?
The Rusian Bear can outlast the Obola libtard gang.
Putin was right stating the New World Order building a sand castle.
Hope the New World Order creators are punished for their evil plan.
putin is bald
a bully
and will not allow the gays and trans ganders to fuck and get married in pubic
look at the rabbis they have such healthy curly hares.
how can we trust a man the bbc says maybe insane.
how can we trust a man that will not bend to the will of innocent jewish victims
of the hilter hollowcausts.
how do we nose he wonte do another ausewitch or bellsuns again.
no x actlley
thank mason and satan that gaymen bono gorge clooney and gorge soros rothschild and raytheon missile corpse
have the measure of this new russian ss fuhruroror
Putin is another Hitler... there again, Hitler was probably another Hitler before he even existed and killed the sacred "six million" Jews that died in a sacrifice made by fire that established a right of return to the Promised Land.
Only a goyim would ask why people believe in human sacrifice or if the sacred numbers that they believe in add up. Goyim... translations seem to vary depending on the situation.
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All the goyim/tribes usually hate each other yet once they figure out what a Tribe that perceives itself as transcending and capable of monetizing them has done... then they're united in hating that Tribe.
It's too bad, really. There is a better way of uniting people into "United States" with a written Constitution, seems to me. But that seems to be an artifact of history now.
Hey POOTY, you got the minerals to stand up to the NWO
LOL
hey hey look at me I'm playing along ... with this whole fake game... fake leader in russia and fake leaders in america, all working for the same Banks .... this so much fun to be appart of the FAKE and scripted world news !!!
This scene has been seen before. The moneychangers with the military industrial complex vs the reasonable. We are pushing for the next war and we won't stop. This play has happened for thousands and thousands of years. We are now reaching the critical point. The point of no return. In reading "The Sleepwalkers" it sounds very close as the US tries to pin down the Russian/China axis as Poincare/France/Gray/GB and Serbia tried to move Austria/Hungary and Germany into the noose. The results were horrible. Does the US/Israeli axis want to try their strength against the rest of the world. This is a very risky venture. The neoliberals are in thier nascent of power and will be replaced soon. Their arrogance is the first step in their destruction...and might be the destruction of our own country.
And this is how WWIII starts. I am thinking about picking up some land in Siberia on the cheap.
Western 'elites' managed to taunt Putin to the point of a line in the sand.
Diplomacy is cheaper than WWIII which will undoubtedly cost millions of
lives and will just fuel more crazy chaos to deal with in the long run. I don't particularly want to reside in the middle of two World superpowers that are ideologically opposed, and predisposed to acting in an adversarial manner towards one another. It is time for diplomacy to either put up or shut up IMHO. War is not the way to go in contemporary society. We have education at our fingertips and there is no need to attempt dominating one country over another on a failed system and ideological stance. It is time to unite in terms of fixing the world markets and restoring ethics in business practices worldwide before the MIC is let loose to cull the herd. War is not good business, nor is there a business case for war, or estimates of what it might cost.
NOTE: Americans & Russians have to learn how to be friends rather than enemies or that will be the end of North America. Russia dwarfs
America in terms of numbers of possible soldiers to join war. If the USA prompts Putin into WWIII I am going to be miffed.
The US has a significantly larger population. It is worthwhile allies and resources we are lacking. I wanted to include leadership but this current mafia seems to have been pretty clever so far. I wouldn't want to misunderestimate them.
If Russia invaded the USA to get rid of the corrupt govt, they would have many Americans volunteering to help. millions if not tens of millions.
This is what NovoRoyissa told the Ukrainians yesterday in that SkyPe meeting.
http://www.vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/10/something-very-very-intere...
Mozgovoi told the Ukies that the Kiev junta is the problem. They actually agreed! He said - go after the Kiev oligarch scum or join us and let's go after them together or lay down your arms and let us go get the Zio Junta oligarch scum in kiev.
say what you will about Putin, haters gotta hate, but he is the only real statesmen left on the geopolitical stage. I watched his speech but the translater butchered it so badly I had to go back and read the transcript and what he had to say made more sense, was more revelvent to the way the world really is and was far, far more sincer than any of the mind numbing crap that is spouted by our trough feeding politicians.
he did set a very hard, very confrontational tone with Washington but overall still left the door open for diplomacy. I don't expect he feels that this is really an option at this point and who can blame him? NATO has done nothing less than brake every promise it made and continues to expand and is now knocking on the front door.
enemy at the gates indeed...Russia has been there once already and I'm sure plans to be a lot more proactive this time around. of course now not only is the west encroaching ever closer militarily but is also attempting to strangle the life out of Russia economicaly via sanctions. yet somehow Russia is the aggessor here? anybody who doesn't understand exactly why Putin snapped up Crimea the moment the euromaiden "agreement" fell through either wasn't paying attention or is just being willfully ignorant. he knew (or at least strongly suspected) that the US state dept was not going to allow anything less that the complete overthrow of so called pro - Russia goverment. lets not forget it was the euromaiden crowed and thier leaders who did not pause for even one second to completely disregard and blow past the pact that was agreed upon by all intrested parties including the EU. at that point Sevestopol was obviously at risk and the Russian population wanted no part of the complete cluster that was unfolding anyways. this was not a hard choice for anybody involved.
Putin lived the collapse of the old Soviet Union and he was KGB so he knows how to play the grand chess game. but more importantly he lived the hummilation the west imposed on his country afterwords, he watched Gorbi all but hand mother Russia over to the west wrapped in a bow and did nothing while NATO closed in, even to those former Soviet states that NATO and Washington promised were off limits. the final straw was and still is the plan to hem Russia in with this euphamisticly named missile defense shield that would drastically alter the balance of power in NATO's favor. so he modernized the military and applied all the tools he has to slowly bring some balance back to the geopolitical landscape, he has given Russia back it's voice and it's power in the world. he has also brought Russia's economy back to life and turned it into the worlds premire energy and natural resourse powerhouse.
that makes him a good leader.
the fact that he has managed to do all this without directly or indirectly invading and destroying a dozen or so countries and killing untold thousands of innocent people and avoiding, so far, WW3...
that makes him a pretty decent man, as those who wield power on the global scale go.
Was the translator that woman with the weird voice who always tries to emote and ends up sounding shrill? Kinda Tokyo Rose-ish...
I could never figure out why they don't use a male translator for these world leaders, it's almost always her. Is this bitch the only person available on the planet? Seriously?
Reading bthe speech was so much better that that awful translation
Excellent post
Few know any factual about VV Putin, much less can tell it forward.
salient and thoughtful. thank you