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"Troubling Trend" NATO Warns Russian Military Aircraft Incursions Worst Since Cold War
Over the last 2 days, more than two dozen Russian military aircraft, in four groups, were tracked and intercepted conducting aerial maneuvers around Europe, according to NATO. As The Wall Street Journal reports, this activity is on a scale seldom seen since the end of the Cold War, prompting NATO jets to scramble in another sign of how raw East-West relations have grown. "There is a troubling trend... of sabre rattling" warned The White House, noting that NATO has intercepted over 100 incursions by Russia year-to-date to which the US Army chief of staff ominously warned, this is "Russian aggression," and "we have to reassure our allies."
A photo released Wednesday by the Norwegian Air Force shows what it said was a Norwegian F-16AM Fighting Falcon, left, accompanying a Russian Tupolev Tu-95MS at an undisclosed location
As The Wall Street Journal reports,
Russian military aircraft conducted aerial maneuvers around Europe this week on a scale seldom seen since the end of the Cold War, prompting NATO jets to scramble in another sign of how raw East-West relations have grown.
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization said that more than two dozen Russian aircraft in four groups were intercepted and tracked on Tuesday and Wednesday, an unusually high level of activity that the alliance said could have endangered passing civilian flights.
Military jets from eight nations were scrambled to meet the Russian aircraft, which a NATO spokesman said remained in international airspace and didn’t violate NATO territory.
However, NATO officials said such flights heighten the risks of military miscalculations. They also come at a time when U.S. officials have been voicing concern about Moscow’s actions in the wake of the Ukraine crisis, where thousands have been killed in months of fighting between the government and Russia-backed separatists.
“There is a troubling trend of out-of-area events being increasingly used by Russia along its periphery for political saber-rattling, with probing incursions by air and sea by the Russian military becoming more commonplace and flagrant,” a senior Obama administration official said. “The United States has repeatedly called upon Russia to respect international law and the sovereign territory of its neighbors.”
There was no immediate comment from Moscow, which has denied in the past that such flights were provocations.
NATO said it has conducted over 100 intercepts of Russian aircraft so far this year, about three times as many as were conducted in 2013.
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“We have been keeping track of incidents and have noticed an increase in Russian flights close to NATO airspace since the start of the Ukraine crisis,” said Lt. Col. Vanessa Hillman, a Pentagon spokeswoman. “We don’t think those flights help de-escalate the current situation at all.”
Gen. Ray Odierno, the U.S. Army’s Chief of Staff, called the flights “Russian aggression” in an interview on CNN. “I think they are trying to reassert themselves,” he said. “I think we have to watch it very carefully. We have to reassure our allies.”
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In an interview with The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s new secretary-general, said more “transparency and predictability” was needed between NATO and Russia “to avoid that the crisis spirals into something worse [and] that misunderstandings create even bigger conflicts.”
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I call BULLSHIT.
Fuck NATO
-An American
Europe is gonna have to buy more jet oil from Russia! Or maybe the euros can retrofit their jets to run on Russia gas instead!
They can poke the bear, but it's not allowed to wake up?
Only NATO....
NATO - Now Americans Take Over
JUST MAN THE FUCK UP!
AND SHOOT THE FUCKERS DOWN!
Sheeesh! Get me back in the saddle already with my old tail art and I'll kick their fucking pinko commie ass back to hell!
YOU MOOKS!
Amazing how the closer NATO gets to Russia, the more Russians NATO sees. It's as if there are Russians in Russia or something....
Bet it's costing NATO a bunch to chase a few Rooskies around the globe.
Nato is going to get sucker punched by the signature of those RLRB's.
Why do they keep saying they "intercepted"? The word intercept implies that some action was taken...they didn't do shit but fly next them.
Fuck NATO
from another American...
The maneuvers are announced in advance, so why the Yellow Western Media HYPE? Other countries see American planes "around" AND INSIDE their airspace EVERY DAY.
I witnessed a U.S. plane flying directly over Canada just yesterday. Its landing gear was lowered! It must have been surrendering.
Lets see the historical data so we can decide for ourselves if this is an escalation.
Portraying itself as victim is simply part of it's psyops propaganda.
America ruins the world to rule it.
The truly scary part is that Russia has nuclear weapons at all, as Russia is responsible for two of the 3 historically worst nuclear accident disasters, Chernobyl (Level 7) nd Chelyabinsk (level 6), heres a video about the latter, which also reveals your wonderful Russian Government willfully concealing the grave rdiological danger to its own citizens, now that is caring motherland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYmGCIg9O6Y
Yes the bove link is "propaganda" right? especially where folks are speaking Russian explaining how their "caring" govenment turned them all into living radioactive waste product, and never had the decency to ever tell them that they were all marinating in plutonium
And you critize Obama?
NYET!
Uh, Chernobyl is in Ukraine, not Russia.
It's even in part of Ukraine that isn't fighting to get back with Russia.
F Nato - yet another American.
They are f**king usless bankster stooges. The US Military cannot even protect the borders but can run drugs for the ZWO-ZIC-ZATO.
Kissing Obala's arse and his Zio bosses in The Pentagon.
Did the Swedes find that sub, yet?
Have the French figured out who sent the drones over their nuookular plants?
OMG did they cross THE Line?!
I can't believe those rickety bombers can still fly
"Rickety bombers"
That's sarcasm right?
You ever own a Russian built AK?
Their is a reason Russia is the #2 arms exporter.
Amerika being #1 exporter only supply their crap to their allies and 'moderate' terrorists.
I own a Russian-American ("Saiga" mostly built in Izhevsk, Russia) semi-auto "AK-47", and it is a fine weapon.
But, Russia only exports only TWO things:
1) weapons
2) natural resources
That's it!
Yet they export those two things better than just about anyone else.
So what's your point?
My point? Their economy is unbalanced. Would you invest your money in Russia? Hmm? Would you?
Russia will never attract much money behaving so truculently. With all of the trouble Big Mac (McDonalds) and Exxon are having, there is no way that this small investor (me) would put a nickle into Russia. Not even a Russia ETF.
EDIT:
China will be happy to export manufactured goods to Russia for their oil and minerals. But, ahh, not old Russian aircraft carriers, LOL...
The ex-Soviet carrier once went by the name Varyag until a cash-strapped Ukraine sold the ship to Beijing in 1998.
"Russia will never attract much money behaving so truculently."
Maybe they don't want your money?
China's experience with an old carrier they bought from Russia (China re-named it the Liaoning):
http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/10/22/chinas_aircraft_carr...
India's experience with a used Russian carrier:
"India’s experience has been even worse. In 2004 New Delhi inked a $1.5-billion deal for the 1982-vintage Russian flattop Admiral Gorshkov. In Russian service, the 45,000-ton vessel had carried a few helicopters and small Yakovlev jump jets; the Indians paid to have the flight deck expanded and a bow ramp fitted to accommodate up to 16 MiG-29 fighters.
Renamed Vikramaditya, the flattop was due to enter service in 2008. But the poorly-managed Russian shipyard was overwhelmed by the scale of the refit. The cost doubled and trials were bumped back to September 2012. And when the crew pushed the conventionally-powered ship to her theoretical top speed of 32 knots, her boilers overheated."
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/your-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-cra...
A jump jet carrier turned into a ski jump carrier. At the same time, the plant that made aircraft carriers for USSR is in Ukraine (now defunct). As well, India kept changing their demands (I agreed with India's demands) and thus set things back. Now they got the carrier and seem happy with it since they wanted to work with Russia again on a new carrier (built in India this time).
Soviet carrier not Russian
That's a bit like saying "Jim here, he picks his nose like nobody's business" or "Tom, why, he can really rack up the credit card debt!"
Exporting natural resources doesn't take much skill, Bob. It just takes the dumb luck to be sitting on them. :-)
BS. They export rocket engines and know how. They have some of the best computer programmers in the world. Far better than Indians and Chinese. Russia's economy is slowly diversifying. What Putin has done in the last 10+ years is amazing.
The USA exports wars anymore and that is about it. Some GMO food, some spy infested technology too.
Freddie, I cannot argue about many of your points. Link re rocket engines, please?
I already know that the Russians have some of the very best mathematicians and programmers in the world.
But where are the Russian:
-- cars? (none in Peru, although I have seen a couple of Kamaz heavy trucks, but fewer than new American Internationals)
-- commercial aircraft?
-- personal computers, large computers, sophisticated chips?
-- construction equipment? (Cat and even Daewoo beat 'em in Peru)
-- beer? (Bud sells at a premium (!) in Peru)
-- machines in general? (although Europe (eg Sandvik) exports more mining equipment)
-- agricultural products? (I do not have figures for GMO vs. organic)
-- medical equipment, fine chemicals, pharmaceuticals?
-- factory equipment, materials-handling equipment (eg forklifts)?
-- video games, computer software, Hollywood entertainment (wildly popular wordwide)? *
Hmm? The USA dukes it out with Germany and China for being No. 1 exporter ($-value).
* Yes, I know you hate Hollywood "entertainment", and actually for good reasons, IMO. But, there are huge markets for lowbrow entertainment, however much you may dislike it.
And please do not think I am for Statist Obama either!
The Lada Niva is a pretty fantastic little SUV.
Ok DoChen stop and think about this for a moment. Arms industry is extemely profitable and at the same time its essential for the Russians for maintaining their country safe from NATO and other pricks. Russian population nowhere near as big as EU or the USA. So they concentrate their manpower quite effectively. Consider a large part also works in mining and oil etc. So between these industries you have taken a big chunk of manpower. Should they now compete in low margin segments like cars??? Or other crap. I think they are doing a good job. Stop being a hater.
Last time I checked their population is about 140 million people having to defend 1/6 of the world's land surface. You damn right they will have an excellent arms industry and employ a lot of people in it. If they put everyone into making cars and cell phones how are they going to stop a fucking nato invasion. Also they need to develop their oil etc. You need energy to keep a landmass that size supplied and connected. Again they are doing a good job. If you were the guy in charge Russia would look like Bolivia, a tiny country out of which everyone took a bite. Look at Sweden for example. They sold of their car industry to foreigners and make quite a bit of weaponry. So you want Russia to go backwards? As usual you are talking without thinking. You are asking Russia to basically cease to exist with your lame demands on the structure of its industry. You sound no different than the dual passport citizens.
I am from Russia and I can say that true Russia has a military industrial complex more or less on the same level as the US with some things better than the US with abotu 10 times less investment, which is quite amazing. Also their space technology is better than the US. But most of this stuff comes from the Soviet legacy, when most of the scientific effort was directed towards the military complex. So we still have that.
Other than that it's been a rough ride with oligarchs grabbing the natural resources (think Abramovich ammassing some 20 billion dollars in 10 years) and the friends of Putin pretty much owning Russia's enormous wealth leaving the rest 99% of the population fighting for scraps.
I believe with the amount of natural resources Russia possesses and the technological capacity developed during the SOviet times (fundamental science, just pretty much all areas of technology), highly educated population. Russia could become the richest country in the world outpacing Canada, Australia and the US. But due to the corrupt political system with the oligarchy ofd rentiers who don't give two fucks about development of any kind, Russia will underperform and can't live up to its enormous potential. On the other hand things could be much worse, it's true, so I don't know.
We'll see what happens now in this new cold war environment but I feel the brightest Russians will keep leaving the country for the better pastures.
I dont know Batu, what you say could also just as easily apply to the USA. Kleptocrats here also and monopolies. The only thing that has kept USA on lifeline is the dollar status. Once its lost you will see the real face of the USA. You have to admit Putin has done a remarkable job. If things had stayed the way they were we wouldnt be talking about Russia anymore except in history books.
Also case and point if you dont make your own weapons. Look at the Mistrals. How are you going to defend yourself when you are depended on others who can backtrack on the deal. This also applies to financial institutions as the Russians have learned just now. Gotta give the Chinese big time credit, they knew round eyes Yanks and Brits very well, and already have institutions in place to keep them free of the dollar noose.
By the way Batu how is Berke doing these days ;) I take it you are from Kazan or Ufa
The Latest Russian Fighter Jet Blows America's Away
Built to be the deadliest hunter killer aircraft of all time, the F-35 has quite literally become the hunted. In every scenario that the F-35 has been wargamed against Su-30 Flankers, the Russian aircraft have emerged winners. America’s newest stealth aircraft – costing $191 million per unit – is riddled with such critical design flaws that it’s likely to get blown away in a shootout with the super-maneuverable Sukhois.
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/2014/10/30/04-02-17pm/latest_russi...
Every wolf must die in its own skin. Old Russian saying.
Lol..nice try, bu the f 22 Raptor is way ahead of anything poor russia has, and is in an elite class of its own
Sorry, you are wrong there. The F35 is not built to be the best fighter. It is a lightweight compromise all purpose fighter/bomber. The F22 is far stealthier, faster, more manoevrable and longer range. It is the air superiority jet that totally outguns everything else air to air. The F35 has many compromises (jack of all trades) however while it is indeed slower (only Mach1.5) and less manoevrable than the Flanker it is far stealthier, with better radar,avionics and pilot awareness systems. I flew F35 in simulators against Flankers and basically the Flanker dies at about 20nm range before it knows the F35 is there. If you ever got in close (inside visual range) then the Flanker could do damage, but the concept of the F35 (and F22) is to never let the opponent get close enough so he can see and manoevre with you. Stealths a bitch - you cant fight what you cant detect, and the USA is still way in front in stealth aircraft.
No, I am half Mongolian actually :) Those modern Tatars probably have very little to do with Mongolians, I guess they are Turkic people.
But yeah, I agree with you about Putin to some extent. I actually like him as as statesman and I like Russian foreign policy, the way it's conducted, the way Putin handled the Lybia crisis, Syria, Ukraine now. The way Russia makes ties with the BRICS coutnries. Russia has the best diplomats in the world and Putin is definitely one of the most intelligent leaders in the world right now.
I give him full credit for reigning in the oligarchs who onwed Yeltzin. That wan't an easy thing to do, to jail the guy who had ammassed some 20 billion dollars and controled the key part of the oil industry in Russia. He also brought peace to Chechnya, although we had lots of terror attacks and it was bloody and messy. He did many good things but he failed in many others. The corruption in Russia is gigantic. The governance is very inefficient due to the enormous corruption tax. In StPetersburg we have the world's most expensive football stadium. Now the parliament passed a law to compensate the Rosenbergs their Italian villas confiscated from them by the Italian govenrment. At the same time they take away money from the pension funds. The USSR was a socialist country, and Russian to this day have a strong sense of social justice. Russia needs social security, public health care, trade unions, - Russians greatly sympathize with the Nordic social-democratic model. But what we have is more and more resembling the kind of US or Latin American, or probably more correctly the Chinese model of state run capitalism, which I and I'd say the majority of the population is very much against.
Lada Niva vs Tank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKsfhXMwRVM
Here is a couple links about rocket engine export
Russian rocket engine export ban could halt US space program:
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Russian_rocket_engine_export_ban_cou...
Russia thumbs nose at U.S., bans export of RD-180 rocket engines:
http://thespacereporter.com/2014/05/russia-thumbs-nose-at-u-s-bans-expor...
All those things come with strings attached. Now that the west has closed off trade with Russia, they can produce them locally without foreign competition and rebuild their internal economy. Instead of buying from foreigners, Russians will be buying from Russians. Instead of owing money to western banks, Russians will owe money to other Russians, which is how it should be.
As long as they have oil, they can trade for things they need. As long as there are sactions, they won't be spending on things they don't need. Seems like a pretty good arrangement to me.
Look TopCoder rankings
Last I looked 30 of top 50 were Russian
15 Years of Putin
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-inf...
Russia also exports engines for space rockets. And titanium parts of components for airbus and Boeing. And nuclear power stations. And KAMAZ vehicles every year who champions the Paris-Dakar race.
And US exports weapons and garbage.
dcrb, canada also exports little but natural resources, like russia wheat and some other grains, sans weapons, but apparently russia is beginning to export cars, yes, the wretched lada and a few others to third world countries happy to have economical transportation. as well, russia is setting up avenues to develop petroleum by products and sending experts in nuclear power afield. you might find some of the posts over this year on itar tass on rosneft and gazprom of interest. it's apparent russia is trying to move into other avenues much faster than canada is, canada seems incredibly content to export its resources without making any effort to move into other areas.
I think I read that company that rocket blew pieces now are sourcing Russia engine for next efforts.
Russians are masters of propulsion.
DoChen - I own a Russian-American ("Saiga" mostly built in Izhevsk, Russia) semi-auto "AK-47", and it is a fine weapon.
But, Russia only exports only TWO things:
1) weapons
2) natural resources
That's it!
3) and really good Vodka - there I fixed it for ya.
TU-95"s are awesome planes, you tube it counterrotating monster propellers, massive payloads, they are classic probably not quite a B-52 but close so close.
B-52 Stratofotress
1. Mass produced to around 775 aircraft built from 1954-1964. Far more than the T-95 Bear.
2. Jet powered rather than prop. Gives far more range and slightly high Celling altitude, a slightly faster.
3. Larger Bomb load.
4. Slightly Smaller than the Bear but not by much.
The Tu-95 Bear.
1. Largest and fastest Propeller Driver plane it the world.
2. Not produced in large numbers around ~500. First Flew 1957 2 years after the B-52 in 1955.
3. Only bomber flying to this day that has Rear Turret and belly turret.
4. Loud as hell. Can be heard 40 miles away well before you can ever see it.
5. Carried one of the largest cruise missiles made. Essentially a Mig-15 without the cockpit.
All in all the planes are almost equal but the B-52 is far more sophisticated than the Tu-95 Bear. But the we also must take into account that the Russians built the Bear to be a rough and tumble plane and it has survived 50 years just as the B-52 has.
"I can't believe those rickety bombers can still fly.
Those rickety long range bombers could take out the entire US navy within hours, without a NATO fighter getting anywhere near them.
I hope the planes are painted up.
Just with this crew instead of buxom blonds painted on, they will require paintings of Putin with his shirt off.....
Not my cup of tea but hey, whatever floats your boat....
Tim Cook might like that
In international airspace?
We'll take a cue from Pukin and annex the airspace first.
Who choreographed the riots and fired into the crowd in Maidan again?
Who torched those people in Odessa again?
Who deposed the democratically elected government and installed Nazis in Kiev again?
Who's been shelling civilians in Donbass for months again?
Taking things out of context is something that propagandists (liars) do. We aspire always to rise above.
a few russian planes flying in international airspace whilst nato planes fly in other countiry's airspace and drop bombs.
no real compariosn to my mind.
Dear Secretary General Stoltenberg,
Please don't shoot at the thermonuclear weapons... OR THE FUCKING PLANES CARRYING THEM!
Perhaps grounding the entire Polish Air Force until things calm down would be a prudent measure...
NATO has its false flags, and Poland has its false Dimitrys... is it any wonder Anna Anderson was born in Poland?
If you fuck up, your fancy taxpayer subsidized Belgian catering is not going to taste very good if it has been flash cooked at 10,000,000°C...
Have a nice day!
Fuck you
A Patriot
patriot my ass, you lil cunt.
u must be over 65 years...get used to be inside the system. fucker. you wasted actual youth generations.
barre you must like the taste of putin's dick
Fuck Russia
Re: "A Patriot" <-- A naïve one, evidenced by his nickname
I first read "A Parrot"
And it turned out to be closer to reality!
You are truly the lowest life form on ZH. You are worse than the blearly-eyed EU trolls. I wish you mother had believed in abortion.
You remember ... "costs" ???
Send one Bomber + 2 Fighters and make an whole air squadron busy... lol
I call all by DESIGN. Nothing happens by merely happening.
Huh, moron?
I'm preparing more for a WW3 scenario than some fucking 'debt jubilee' scenario, I guarantee you that!
I say border jubilee!
Daniel Chapters 11-12.
I would say that the U.S. could be fighting multiple wars here. But can you really call the middle east a war if it never ends? That's like companies using the classification of "non recurring items" when they clearly reoccur every quarter.
A moment of silence please...holy shit, have a great weekend ZH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUGJhoM-xuE
If thats your daughter I'd like to meet her
Amazing what they learn in college nowadays
Dropped to 29th rank world education...
anyone suprised? Fish rots from head
While Russia has 54% population with higher degree..Worlds highest
Plus I would bet that those Russian advanced degrees are not underwater basket weaving or ebonics cultural studies or crap like that.
The White House said 'We have to reassure our allies' ... Well just keep a good supply of GS alum flowing in to take over countries over there and I'm sure that's enough reassurance to satisfy any worry.
THOSE MAGGOTS COULDN'T BE HAPPIER THAT THE COLD WAR IS BACK ON
Yep, those dastardly Americans forced the planes to fly right near other country borders.....
Evil Ebolites, those Americans.
Just sniff your Putin tee shirts in private, Putin Mancrush team.
Stop feeling and start thinking.
Keep sniffing and messing up your Mancrush fan club photos....
Repressed much?
Just love needling the Putin Mancrush team at ZH that think that watching RT makes them an authority on life in Putin's neighborhood.
Figures you are a voodoo doll creapy freak
26 week old universal thinker...... LOL.
Thank you for your input.
More USA/NATO lies. That "Russian" plane they intercepted turned out to be Latvian. That "Russian submarine" Sweden wasted 2 million to find turned out to not exist. What's the next lie they will be serving? Russia invading Ukraine for the 5th time? Russia using nuclear tactical bombs on Ukraine?
Fuck you with the propaganda, you sound like those who say that the German concentration camps never happened, fucking asshole idiot
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/nato-says-russian-jets-bomber...
the rusian propaganda that exists on ZH is fucking ridiulous...
Actually, many of us see Putin as the only credible hope to eventually liberate JewSA from our Zionist enslavers. Zombified Americans for the most part are too wacked out to even realize they have lost their country -wait until the Gulags are set up -we'll see what Russia expereinced from 1919 to the start of WW2 -and after. Maybe then we will appreciate what Russia today is doing.
You're right, maybe i need to substitute ISIS with Russia, in the name. Putin? Credible hope?, you are worse than fucked up..fuck you, your boy putin, just like that pussy Khruschev, when faced with a direct show down would run like the sackeless fucks you are, Patton summed it up best when he spoke about you gutless fucks
Here watch Kennedy call out your bitch Khruschev, who could only crawl away like the limp dick fuck he was, Putin is no different, when he is directly confronted, like all of you gutless fucking ass holes he will scurry away like all you maggots...fuck you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmA9CZqAWO4
Fucking propaganda, if you can take the time to pick your head up from blowing Putin, youd could figure out whats up
Dude, you're a psychopath. Your moniker says it. Your emotional outbursts say it. Your one-dimentional and disjointed arguments say it. Get some help dude. You need it.
well....he's nuts
I don't see him smart enough to qualify as psychopath...
You've got a point.
No, he just seems like an angry, uneducated, foul-mouthed, brainwashed old fart -- likely of limited military background, with IQ too low to rise much in the ranks -- but loyal in a way that made him easy to manipulate, deriving his sense of self esteem and purpose by channeling hate at a manufactured bogeyman, never bothering to ask the kind of questions that might erode the programming in a more intelligent man.
Now, with his own country on the verge of collapse, he needs desperately to reinvigorate the old hatred and distract himself from the realization in his dotage that he has been naive for a very long time, much of his idolatry was misguided, many of his old 'heroes' weren't, and he has contributed to many of the problems that are dragging his country down. So he registers on ZH in order to post angry, provocative things based on stale, unjustified premises that seem transparent to others but make him feel important because after all, somebody replied to something he said, which means he connected with another person, which is probably rare during the day.
If he wants to smarten up, he'll make an attempt to educate himself about the real reasons behind current events and look for ways to help loved ones get through the trouble ahead.
Actually I am eduacted on the isues :Lore", your assessment fails in its attempted characterization of me as a poster. What I see here, which came as a complete suprise, was the unfettered Russian bash party regarding the U.S. through propaganda that goes on daily at ZH
My country on the verge of collapse?, actually you really need to focus on your mother land, and what the ruble is doing, and if you canot see the writing on the wall, then who is brainwashed.
You state that i "desperately" seek to revive hatred? while you and your ilk continually bash and ridicule this country, while no one here has the balls to rebut your ridiculous propaganda.
I believe that you realize, that unlike folks that refuse to call you out, that I am correct in y assessments. Indeed, your Russian economy is in such dire straights as a result of sanctions that Putin is forced to sadly revive the threats of cold war antics. Clearly any strike on Europe, or any country would see a serious response from America, with no winner, however as Kennedy stated, while this is true, we will nt shrink from direct threats
This is nothing more than a desperate move by a desperate dwarf and if you fail to see that for what it is, you lack the intellcetual wherewithal to engge in any meningful discussion, and/or are a propagandist, or victim of brainwashing by your state controlled media
Deflation is GOOD for the people.
"Actually I am educated on the issues".
Who gives a fuck what the ruble is doing? . In simple terms, Russia is sat on a mountain of wealth, US/EU sat on a mountain of debt. 'EXAMPLE' 1 F22 Raptor, price THREE FIVE SIX MILLION US$$$$$$$$$$, purchased item not fit for purpose. Do yourself a favour and quit while you are winning /sarc, and FUCK OFF.
fuck you
those raptors will be sending missles up your vodka filled ass
Volkodav..what is the problem? Becuse someone has the balls to interrupt your little Russia party, contiully bashing the U.S. with propganda, and then you get mad when you folks get clled out on it?...gee what a bitch isnt it?
Truth is that Russia is in very bad way, whch is why Putin is forced to take this course of action...we all see it for what it is desperte move by a desperate dwarf
Oh, should you wish to debate issues, trust me, in a battle of wits and I.Q., you are unarmed,,
Let me guess, you work the fryo-lter at Mickie D's, on your career path trajetory to "manager", isn't that right? Don't forget the Stoli tonight, while you watch that state run media
Who pays your bills? CIA or Mossad?
useless talkings
I hardly drink
but then, only: Rodnik Samara Brewery
best in world if you can find it
ISIS is useful idiot, one of many. Result of social conditioning by psychopaths that run this once great nation... Logic and facts will do nothing to help this dumbass open his eyes, so don't bother.
With a name like "Gadfly", you ridicule others? seriously?
Psychpath? hardly unfortuntely i m here to point out the propganda being spouted here unchecked by Russin ass holes like you.
One dimensional, let see if you have the intelletual capacity to form sentences, without the use of pictures, to succinctly discuss the issues related to Russian poverty, economic collapse, and Putin's forced cold war revival
If you think for one second you KNOW anything, you better tell me that you are right in there with Putin or right in there with, uh, wait, who do we have that you admire so much? Lemme know okay?
I am being a bitch. On purpose.
My point is that I don't KNOW and neither do you. Do you really think our politicians are clean and Putin is all bad guy? I'd love to see it your way. I'd love to say "America, fuck yeah!" and mean it because I was so proud of our leaders and their choices and how they treated other people on the planet (or for that matter, how they treat us). Not buying it. Putin may be an old school spook who wants revenge on America for the fall of the USSR. But he is right to call our leaders out on their bullshit. Does not matter if he is being "real" or if he is merely being strategic. It can work BECAUSE there is something to it and we all know it. If we were clean, his rhetoric would not stand a chance.
Its not about our politicians, its about the fact that the U.S. is under attack, and you need to undestand that first.
The only thing I admire is the foundtion that my country was founded upon, the gret experiment, and Iam quite certain that our foundaing fthers would be greaty dismayed by outr apathy, even when being stepped on through verbl asault, not even uttering so much as a peep in defense.
I will not stand by and se my country besmirched in such a manner, without responding with the requisite vitrol
Our nation, the USA, is under attack from Washington and Wall Street.
Wake the fuck up, man.
Correction: It WAS under attack, until December 23rd, 1913. Beyond that point, private bankers have been wiping their collective arses with the US Constitution ever since.
It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
-Hermann Goering
I am no fan of Kruschev.
That said, you must be refer to Cuba.
If that, then your post is ignorant.
Kruschev from close accounts was the level head, while JFK not so much, and eyewitness tell Bobby was irrational and ready to launch. US had placed missles in Turkey before. Soviet responded.
That is simplify and there is more, but answers your stupidity.
Otherwise, that was USSR and Kruschev was a Ukrainian national.
Nothing to do with Russian Federation.
You seem a simple mind vulgar goat
Right, as when Kruschev took his shoe off and stated that he would bury us? that is the guy with the level head right?
You seem to be a simple minded Russian propagandist
You are persistent to conflate Soviet USSR with Russians...
Soviet was never a Russian construct
your ignorance
Kruschev was Ukrainian national, not Russian
I am pragmatic realist
You have showed yourself as contentious feral goat,
Voly baby, nyet, say it aint so, you say you do what to Goats? evidently you realy are an animal "lover"
The so called 'Cuban missle crisis' was staged. Behind the scenes the USSR agreed to a halt missle deliveries to Cuba and the US agreed to dismantle the missles they installed in Turkey.
Per Dean Rusk.
Yeah then Patton got whacked and you know what happened to Kennedy.
Doesnt change the fact that Kruschev was a pussy
Oh foook...
I DON'T HAVE A NUTSACK?
OK. That's cool.
Solzhenitsyn warned. Many of his writings have been censored in the West.
"Maybe then we'll appreciate what Russia Today is doing"? You mean the state-controlled, Putin-and-Russia-are-great, the-west-sucks publication?
RT is elegant
better ask yourself why it is so popular
Elegant propaganda...hmm
Better that Zionist USA media crap any day Zionist Patriot
yes cosmos, you love being a sheep contrlled by your goverment, i pity you
http://nypost.com/2014/07/21/why-russia-buys-putins-lies/
A guy called "nuke ISIS now" accusing others of spreading propaganda and calling them a "fucking asshole idiot".
The irony is probably not lost on anyone but yourself.
Grimnir, unfortuntely i cannot post in pictures, in order that your sub intellect inbred vacant cranium can comprehend, but let me extend my courtesy by graciously telling you to go fuck yourself with your fuking peopaganda, that shit aint gonna fly here, and we will all applaud when you and that impotent fucking dwarf Putin collapse..fuckhead
Fucking joke, with the pervasive poverty and chaos in your shit hle country, you critize merica,,,lol fucking idiot
Thanks for removing all doubt about your level of intelligence.
The quality of the shilly trolls here is dropping daily.
The Empire is desperate and is scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
That's what I was thinking. Sending in the scrubs just to field a team. He has a script of some sort. Maybe it's AI. I think a number of these types of posts are AI testing, but they get ripped on these forums. I can see them scratching their heads.
US has more citizens below poverty level
US has more unemployed.
US highest incarcerated.
You are proven example of education system decline...US now 29th of world and losing fast..
Russia has world's top percent citizens with higher degrees.
America isnt living under sanctions due to a "leader" who seeks to threten and invade countries...
Volly, dickhed, I can assure you that I have a higher education than a vodka soaked liver fuck like you How are those sacntions feeling these days?
How is that fredom of the Russian Press dissemenating news to you these days, yes sir pres says Putin was seen flying around like superwoman
Imagine "government controlled" media, and sheep like you are too blind and ignorant to challnge that..sad very sad, and you are a pristine example of its effect
America isnt living under sanctions due to a "leader" who seeks to threten and invade countries...
Volly, dickhed, I can assure you that I have a higher education than a vodka soaked liver fuck like you How are those sacntions feeling these days?
How is that fredom of the Russian Press dissemenating news to you these days, yes sir pres says Putin was seen flying around like superwoman
Imagine "government controlled" media, and sheep like you are too blind and ignorant to challnge that..sad very sad, and you are a pristine example of its effect
xxx=russia
Sorry I tried to talk to you like a real human being above. You are just trying to disrupt the thread. I suck for falling for it.
Just another internet tough guy.
Wonder how he'd do in the cage against Putin? Better stick to the anymous insults.
He need visit Russia in real....hurts more than virtual
I know 105 lb Russian Air Force Warrant Officer Lady he should meet.
Handles 160 lb Caucasian Shepherd Dogs
When did I ever say that i never visited Russia?
You need help with reading comprehension.
No one assumed you had...
that is obvious from your ignorance
you have not experience and no knowledge
nothing to base opinion
yet rattle on with offensive crap
Voly babay, im rattling off "offensive crap"? so what youre rattling off about the US is perfectly fine then, is that it?
clearly even someone of your intellect can see the troubling and fatal dichotomy
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Yes I am trying to disrupt this threads un checked bashing of the U.S. from Russian propagandists. No need for apologies, however your post above suffers from being reliant upon the "leaders", while my, admitted anger, stems from my love for my country, and reading the un checked bashing of America from paid pro russian posters. No one here stands up to these propagandists, so I feel compelled to do so.
Therefore, we as a Country need to stand up now, as we are under attack, these Russian shills attempt to keep driving a subliminal message that the U.S. is done, No way man, time to take this Country back NOW!
A close examnation of Russia indicates an imminent collapse, especilly with the developments related to the ruble today..which is driving Putin's actions...he is a punk, elitest that has brought unecessary suffering upon the Motherland, which gets tempered through the state run media
Do us all a favor, and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
please.
Gas yourself you piece of shit.
thanks santa "haus", but i dont do requests
Tyler, how many cumulative down arrows does it take to boot an asshat?
gone, ae you afraid or unequipped to hear opposition to your viewpoit? Im afraid that is a warning sign that you have been brinwashed
gone, i sincerely apologize, not
and if i do get booted, y'all will know whats up here at ZH
useless talkings
You know nothing about Russia
Duck and cover!
From your Washington Post article - Russian bombers, fighter jets and tanker aircraft were detected flying in international airspace, NATO said. There were no incursions into national airspace, a violation of sovereignty that would have significantly amplified the seriousness of the four incidents, three of which took place on Wednesday.
So there were no violations...so there is no story....so what's the big fuckin deal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g
I was looking for this video, wanted to post the link here. We think alike...
Thanks.