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1000s Of Veterans Busted For Massive Benefits Fraud
When work is punished and grift is not, is it any surprise that, as The Washington Times reports, nearly 60,000 triple dipping Veterans picked up $3.5 billion in benefits (collecting their military retirement pay; and disability benefits from both the Veterans Administration and Social Security too). The arrangement is legal, but since everyone else is abusing the system, from crony banks to deadbeat dads to squatting slummers, it was only a matter of time before even veterans decided to dip, then dip again and dip some more. Sen. Tom Coburn, noted it was "hard to understand," but perhaps the hardest thing to understand is why it took veterans so long to realize we live in a world without consequences.
As The Washington Times reports, tens of thousands of veterans collect their military retirement pay and disability benefits from the Veterans Administration and disability checks from Social Security too, according to a new report from the Government Accountability Office. All told, nearly 60,000 triple dippers collected $3.5 billion in benefits.
The arrangement is legal, but it raises questions about the generosity of the American safety net system at a time when disability programs are already under severe financial stress.
"This report shows that, like other government programs, there is little coordination between these overlapping benefits, which increase cost[s] to taxpayers," said Sen. Tom Coburn, the Oklahoma Republican who requested the GAO report. "We should fulfill our promises to the men and women who serve, but we need to streamline these duplicative programs."
For decades, up until 2004, the government clamped down on veterans taking both military retirement pay and VA disability benefits. The Pentagon docked retirement pay dollar for dollar up to the amount of their VA benefits.
But veterans groups argued that vets should be entitled to both payments, saying the retirement money was earned for years of service, while disability is compensation for service-related wounds.
Under an intense lobbying campaign, Congress changed the law so that, beginning in 2004, vets were gradually allowed to collect both checks - though there are regular rumblings proposing to undue the 2004 change.
Social Security disability, however, is different.
Most Americans aren't able to collect Social Security disability payments if their income is at least $13,000 a year. But Social Security rules don't treat military retirement or VA disability payments as regular income, which means veterans can collect tens of thousands of dollars from the Pentagon and VA and still get money from Social Security.
Mr. Coburn said taxpayers should find that "hard to understand."
"With the Social Security Disability Insurance trust fund set to run out of money in two years, the report raises a number of questions about whether disability benefits are getting to those whose livelihoods depend on them," the senator said.
In an official reply to the GAO, the VA said it "generally agrees" with the report's conclusions. Social Security officials had no comment.
Social Security's disability trust fund is expected to run out of money in 2016, and some lawmakers believe that cracking down on double dippers could help extend the program's life somewhat.
About 3 percent of military retirees collect all three benefits right now, GAO investigators said. Most of them have a VA disability rating of 50 percent or higher, though just 17 percent of the disabilities are combat-related.
Of the $3.5 billion spent in 2013 on the triple dippers, $1.4 billion came from the VA, $1.2 billion came from the Pentagon, and $937.4 million came from Social Security.
As for the individual veterans, the GAO identified 101 who earn more than $150,000 a year in triple-dip benefits. Another 2,200 veterans earn between $100,000 and $150,000.
Investigators pulled seven cases at different benefit levels for further study, and in all but the lowest two, the veterans were making more as retired disabled than their salaries would have been if they'd still been in the service.
A 54-year-old who retired in 1997 after 20 years in the military, who had lung disease, vascular disease and lost use of his feet, collected $122,887 in benefits in 2013 — nearly three times the $43,808 someone of his pay grade would have made in the military.
Meanwhile, a 59-year-old who retired in 2004 after 26 years, who lost his feet, is blind in one eye and has renal problems, collected $152,719 in 2013 — more than twice the $72,824 salary of someone at his final military pay grade. Most of his benefits — $85,958 — came from VA disability, while $46,396 was military retirement, and $20,365 was from Social Security.
Since everyone else is abusing the system, from crony banks to deadbeat dads to squatting slummers, it was only a matter of time before even veterans decided to dip, then dip again and dip some more. Sen. Tom Coburn, noted it was "hard to understand," but perhaps the hardest thing to understand is why it took veterans so long to realize we live in a world without consequences.
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Don't forget about the Chao family.
They need your help.
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The solution is simple. Stop all handouts.
"Since everyone else is abusing the system, from crony banks to deadbeat dads to squatting slummers, it was only a matter of time before even veterans decided to dip, then dip again and dip some more."
Corruption is a cancer. If it's allowed to continue, much less rewarded, more and more people wake up each morning wondering 'why am i supporting this rather than taking my cut'.
By it's nature, it can also not be stamped out, once it's taken hold, without destroying the system that's embraced it and enabled it.
War is a racket, from the politicians to the military-industrial complex to the veterans. The only victims are the civilians, and I have my doubts about them, too (voters, tax payers, etc.).
the american dream
retire from the military
take a state or municipal job
retire from that
run for office
Chuck Knoblauch you were a key to my fantasy baseball keeper league in the 1990's just like that was an illusion so is everthing else
Krugman would say it leads to more demand of the veterans triple dipping and lets keep it going to quadruple dipping
Chuck [New Kids on] Knoblauch
The biggest fraud both moral and financial is that perpetrated on veterans by making them believe that they were fighting for their country when in fact they were fighting for the military industrial complex, the banks and the puppeteers.
A visitng professor from Princeton gave a lecture at our local, buyt prestigious college in about 2010. During th ebreak I asked him about Wall Street fraud and corruption and he shocked me when he said he disagreed 100% with The Bernank, Bush and Barry for failing to prosecute limit the financial institution fraud. He said in the late 1980's over 750 bankers and financial crooks went to jail; this time zero. He said this irresponsible behavior would result in "trickle-down fraud and mischief to every level from the top down."
He was correct, evidently.
Do they call it triple dipping when active duty has to pay state taxes for a state they don't live in, federal taxes that go to your own employer, where you get hurt on the job, shot at, and have to pay social security and medicare taxes as well?
Vets are going to abuse the system but they should. Its a way of getting backtheir tax money.
As the government bankruptcy continues to cut back vet benefits, don't be surprised at what kind of push back you will see.
Next time just take one dip & END IT!!!
Vets....the original government workers.
With internet anyone with a brain can look up what joining the military as an enlistee entails....losers who couldn't cut it in private sector....red state job welfare program for idiots.
what the heck is "department of defense" doing offense in other country?
Vets deserve nothing. don't go commit murder in middle east and cry for government benefits back home when all they were good for was flipping burgers anyway.
K, don't pout Sweetpea, I'll play. If I have time later at work I'll even tell you about who I was shaggin in Dec '96 for lulz. I owe you one, for all your disco generosity (speaking of dead giveaways, you like invented the white guy overbite back then, didn't you?).
Gotta tell you it's a bummer though, that you see me like this. If my 'long farewell of the hunger strike' crosses your mind, try thinking of me as a guy who's goin Galt, instead of a still-halfway-fuckable white woman who's tired of polishing knobs on the Titanic.
I wonder if they spent one second looking for illegal aliens commiting fraud.
Good for the Vets that get something (fraud or no fraud) back for what they gave. They get the shaft from the VA. The Vet son of a friend of mine was told it would be 18 months before he could SCHEDULE to have the surgery he desperately needed, so he paid for it out of his own money.illegal aliens.....the next generation of soldier pawns carrying out the dirty deeds of America.
Infotechsailor
Really, you actually know somebody who hasn't make E-8 by 20 years nowadays? Or full retirement at 38 years old with GI benefits for their kids? Howabout having their mortage paid for them for living off base? Triple dip is so 90s.
"Mischief from the top down...." is right!
AG Holder's wife linked to 'Fast and Furious' and abortion clinic fraudhttp://www.examiner.com/article/ag-holder-s-wife-linked-to-fast-and-furi...
Do they call it triple dipping when active duty has to pay state taxes for a state they don't live in, federal taxes that go to your own employer, where you get hurt on the job, shot at, and have to pay social security and medicare taxes as well?
Vets are going to abuse the system but they should. Its a way of getting backtheir tax money.
As the government bankruptcy continues to cut back vet benefits, don't be surprised at what kind of push back you will see.
Easy to avoid the hazards of that job: don't go overseas into countries that don't want you there to fight in entirely pointless and endless wars. If you feel a patriotic need to serve in se armed forces capacity, join the coast guard. You have a much lower chance of getting shot, since we aren't in danger of being invaded by anyone. And, rather than spending time overseas in foreign countries we have no business being in, you actually "guard the coast"...
Mommy and Daddy wanted them out of the house.
Welfare country.
I would guess that for many, they couldn't find a job and wanted to get out from under the thumb of mom and dad. Do you remember what it was like to be 18 or 21 or older and live by your parents rules in their house when you had a girl friend? I do.
and the solution to that is going to kill sandniggers overseas, and spend your night in a big room full of men.
... and the gubmint had no idea what was happening until just now. Peter Sawyer never existed and he never wrote any books.
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2106846
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2541550W/Dolebludging_-_A_Taxpayer%27s_G...
Oh, sorry. Silly me. Wrong country. I guess that's bound to happen on the net now and then.
Oh hang on again. I did read the article properly and apparently the gubmint did know what was happening and apparently it is legal. Silly me. I'd better read it again to make sure I'm viewing the correct frame of reference.
Hint: Govt-bankster complex needs to criminalize everyone so they can justify stealing your stuff. That is why they push prices beyond your reach by "lending" money to idiots. That's why they'll turn a blind eye to something and make a big fuss of it 30 years later.
they should quadruple dip and get unemployment cheques too
whats the difference if we're printing to infinity?
Can they not reproduce first and quintupple dip for the little childrens?
"A 54-year-old who retired in 1997 after 20 years in the military, who had lung disease, vascular disease and lost use of his feet, collected $122,887 in benefits in 2013 — nearly three times the $43,808 someone of his pay grade would have made in the military."
Just give him his feet back and call it even.
"use of his feet, collected $122,887 in benefits in 2013 — nearly three times the $43,808 someone of his pay grade would have made in the military."
Just give him his feet back and call it even."
What the fuck were his feet doing at $122k/yr before he enlisted and assumed that liability? Running NGOs? Community organizing? Enquiring minds want to know.....
He was just walking and stuff. Nothing too important. He was also psychologically whole. He felt like a real man, so to speak.
They definitely are fighting for the military industrial complex and the dirty Talmud reading bankers, however they are also complicit in this facade. The vast majority of military personnel are mindless drones who cannot think freely and ascertain their role in subjugating the world. Just look at the average individual who joins the military. Usually, a brain washed, low IQ country boy or inner city minority.
They are the first ones to brag about their service and the defense of "our freedoms", yet they don't even know that our biggest threat is the enemy from within. These veterans are either woefully ignorant or they are the lower level of society that would have been a leech in any capacity (my personal belief).
What educated person joins the military to make a miniscule $30K/year and have no control over your life or freedom of mobility? No one with a brain would join as they could live a far superior life working in the private sector. Our military is simply the banksters foot soldiers who either protect foreign investment or open up new markets to it.
Pup quiz time, Zerohedge Hotshots!
How are overpaid, retired Military different from overpaid, retired police?
A: The overpaid retired Military were paid with money stolen from you to kill brownskins like dogs OVER THERE, while overpaid retired police were paid with money stolen from you to kill brownskins and dogs OVER HERE.
We clear?
K.
Entitlement is a highly defended belief. It's like an addiction.
Sen. Tom Coburn, noted it was "hard to understand," but perhaps the hardest thing to understand is why it took veterans so long to realize we live in a world without consequences.
Actually, its very easy to understand. Just look at John Corozine.
freewolf7
Great quote!
Now go tell the ivy leaguers, overpaid school teachers, way overpaid financial industry, military industrial complex, US corporations and their CEO’s, our fraudulent health care, bunch of bogus tech jobs….., and the list is long.
"When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat" — George Carlin
The real source of fraud, evil, and war - the Prime Mover of 90% of the sickness in our society is in fact the Federal Reserve.
The critical Evil is the ability to earn without work, to fund war and strife, to have limitless currency for paying bribes, or alternatively, assassins, and to relentlessly buy and own everything real with a bottomless well of currency.
The Fed is the all consuming black hole at the center of our ever-more-rapidly collapsing society.
RafterManFMJ
The real problems are:
Declining energy
Growing population
And inability to grasp (understand and accept) either
The Fed (debt and financial schemes) are the final steps before collapse (desperation).
Sometime ago, when the report was release (SIGIR or the Special Inspector General on Iraqi Reconstruction funds report) I posted it here, it detailed the massive theft on the part of officers, senior NCOs and contractors during the Iraqi war.
But that was nothing compared to the missing $8.7 billion of Iraqi oil funds which went missing: funds that travelled between the Iraqi Trade Bank, the Coalition Provisional Authority (top finance guy: Reuben Jeffery III, now CEO at Rockefeller Financial), overseen by the JPMorgan Chase people (led by managing director, Daniel Zelikow, Timothy Geithner's BFF), and on to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, whose chair then was Timothy Geithner, late to become the "beloved" Treasury Department Secretary.
Hello . . .
What an incredible pile of crap this post is! They're whining about 3.5 billion going to American veterans, many injured in the line of duty. However, the U.S. government give 3.6 billion dollars of the tax payer's money to Israel every year. Yet you will never hear a word of complaint from these slimy, corrupt Israeli lackeys in Congress. I think I'm going to go vomit!!
Many of us were drafted. You all complain about a guy who lost his limbs. Got shot up about some money. Alot of hate going on and it boggles my mind. Should they get all of those benefits absolutely not and none of my buddies do. But they do get money for getting fucked up in combat. I salute them myslef as they have to put up with the VA and their bullshit to get treatment. Guess what Obamacare and for that matter any private insurance DOES NOT PAY for service related injuries PERIOD. You must wait and wait or pay for it yourself.
I do not care about your hate for the military, but many of us had no frigging choice. I personally do not know one vet getting all that shit. VA disability is paid and if they retired the same dollar amount is taken from their check. The advantage is the VA benefit is tax free. Whooppeee fucking doo! Less then 2% of those that still join today ever retire and most retire at the SSG/E-6 level. Oh boy a whole 825 bucks a month.
The SS disability most here do not have a fucking clue how it works. You see these guys of gals sit 2 to 10 years awaiting on those in charge to decide to give them VA banefits and what happens is they apply for SS disability which works alot faster as lawyers are involved. The legal system is a big time racket. Once VA benefits are granted SS disability is suppose to stop. Those that still draw both shouold have the SS benefits recouped if they draw both. SS disability is a big 3 to 4 billion dollar racket for the lawyers of the world and we cannot have them losing their bread and butter. Many have wanted it reformed but guess what lawyers are politicians so not going to happen.
You have a right to hate but do not blame it on the vets for crying out loud. Hell welfare queens get alot more for just having a baby!
We give the banks and states trillions and you all bitch about this please!
there are 2 kind of people, those who earn enough for themselves ( self estimating ) to say corruption is bad thing. and there are others who do not earn enough , or, are just greedy. foor poor, it is clearly a way to get some more food on the table ( ie : africa, mainly ) for occident, it is greedy behavior. buying stuff you wouldn't be able by yourself with your own earning.
to the question can corruption be erradicated ? response is definitivly : NO, it is everywhere. even a father to his son : be nice at school = reward = corruption . getting something ( results ) in exchange of good work from the son ( who accept if the reward worth it )
in fact, this is how the world has always worked since salt was the rome money ( salarium = salaire -> latin -> salt, sel )
we have to change the way world share the rewards, not necessary the money, to make corruption self vanish to be replaced by something more simple. to me every man on a country should have free land in his possession, given by the country itself. not nessecary hude land, but something enough to parc a car & build a house & play with kids in safety.
The solution is simple, stop all of the theft that funds handouts.
An American, not US subject.
"One man's handout, was another man's wealth."
But how did that man get his wealth? Banker? Gubmint handout! Business owner DC area? Gubmint money? Own Stocks? Gubmint handout! Farmer? Gubmint handout! Get real and stop looking to blame the lowest man on the corruption totem pole.
My grandfather was an accountant for GE for 47 years and had maybe a years salary in their stock when he retired in the late 1970's. He left my mom a nice inheritance. He was not corrupt.
Stop blaming everyone who happens to have a little more than you.
I have plenty. I happen to have compassion for others and would rather a disabled vet get money before anyone on wall street. And GE would've bit the big one in 08' without.......gubmint handouts. So fuck your momma! That bitch is a welfare queen too.
If you think this is about disabled vets, then you don't know what the VA does. I thought the same as you until I did some work for the VA and saw close up what it is and does. I don't have a problem with taking care of our heroes, but that is just the small part of what they do and that is what they project for others to see. The system is a colossal waste of resources.
You have compassion, but call my mom a bitch. Ha ha. This site would be better if people commented more often on what they know about.
I am a fucked up twisted person. You understand right?
Aren't we all?
Fraudsters, yes … Drug Addicts, yes … Obese, yes … Diabetics, yes … Jobless, yes … Lazy, yes …
But at least, “Americans are not deadbeats!”
Barry said so.
"Hero", one of the most abused words of all time.
Great mind-trick, to designate a word to demand insta-respect, no matter the character of the person being hero-ified.
Jessica Lynch?
If you knew anything about Jessica Lynch, you'd know she came back and told the truth about what happened and refuted the whole propaganda story.
And for that, yes she is a hero.
deselby
Our society is becoming so dumbing down that it degraded the word ‘Hero’.
Anyway, Jessica Lynch seems to be a very courageous woman by speaking the truth, and call the Pentagon propaganda.
If you knew anything about Jessica Lynch, you'd know she came back and told the truth about what happened and refuted the whole propaganda story.
And for that, yes she is a hero.
I have a problem with the military needing a hero and conveniently choosing a cute blonde girl to create the narrative. I felt terrible for that girl and I certainly applaud her service. She suffered horrible injuries and I hope she does triple dip from the bastards.
My point is that most wealth in this country relies on the gubmint. The enitre stock market and most of the companies would've failed in 08' without gubmint handouts. If you own property in this country, most of the value is propped up by gubmint handouts. You mother would've been wiped out if the gubmint didn't print $20 trillion fake dollars to save her non-earned money. I take offense to the people who roll along with the handouts until they see one that helps the lowest of the low. And then they start to shout like Santelli and his fucking bullshit tea party rant.
". I don't have a problem with taking care of our heroes "
Who is taking care of Who's 'heros'?
YHow about YOU take care of YOUR 'heros' and I'll take care of mine.
Deal.
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
This was the "tin"! Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
:-)
Don't brand every vet a hero please, wounded, mentally unstable or not, it cheapens the definition.
I don't believe I did that. If you read some more of my posts on this article you will see that.
It's very nice, Mr. Flintstone, that your grandpa lived and worked through the glory years of American exceptionalism when we dominated the world and capitalism was a tame beast that allowed many millions of middle class workers to work one job for life with good benefits and a nice retirement.
But how in the fuck does that apply to now?
Just trying to make a point that if you have a little wealth it does not necessarily mean that you are corrupt. But envy and hatred is blinding I guess.
yes, financially 'everything' is intertwined, and everyone/everything is 'downstream' from the federal government. it almost seems as though it were by design; to get 'everyone' on 'welfare' of one sort or another.
I hope that the more people that take advantage of the system accelerates its collapse. That's why I don't care about anyone trying to rip off the government.
I'd rather those who produce or provide (like the vets) rip the system off to leave less for the unworthy (like welfare queens or Wall St) to rip of.f
TPTB know that if they stop the handouts, the voting will stop too. Those handouts are like a huge collective carrot that helps lure the sheep to the polls to vote to give away moar of their rights and moar of their wealth. Seriously, who would vote for any of these jokers if it weren't for the free stuff?
Another simple solution: shrink government. The bloated carcass of DC is simply too large, it can not be streamlined in its current form.
That's why I keep saying that the only reason Mr. Putin doesn't nuke D.C. is because it would set America back on the path to prosperity.
That's just stupid. There are millions of old people living on a really small Social Security stipend. There are millions of truly disabled people who deserve help.
On the other hand, the disability system is widely gamed and cheated. I have relatives who collect fat disability checks while they work full time jobs lifting boxes in a warehouse or spend their leisure building a patio in their backyard. Disabled needs to really mean disabled. Not the current system of find a pliable doctor and score big loot.
The biggest problem is that there are scores of different benefit systems that all work independently. Best bet would be roll them all into one and then cap them. You could start out by capping all government benefits from all combined sources at 50K. That would at least limit the abuse.
the neighbor behind me is one of these VA disabled (but not sure if he's triple dipping). this dude lives a completely normal life, at least from what is outwardly visible from having a beer with him at the neighborhood barbeque.
You cannot tell if a vet is disabled or not just because he is living a normal life. I know a WW2 vet who collects a military disability pension plus a pension from his civilian post war employment plus government handouts for his farm and he still potters around his small farm. You cannot see his pacemaker and you cannot tell that his teeth are false. He lost his teeth as a teenager from all the anti malarial drugs he was taking in the jungles of Borneo (fighting behind Jap lines). He had volunteered to join in early 1942 and was a combat veteran a few months after his 15th birthday having put his age up on the enlistment form. I couldn't give a fuck if he was quadruple dipping as better him than some welfare slut or junkie getting the money.
They don't make em like that anymore do they? Still, I am not a fan of fraud even though one may type may be more palatable than another.
would that include tax exemptions on Church properties?
...We kill the batman.
Handouts are part of defense spending.
I dare you to stop, even reduce these payouts.
Let's see what happens next.
A mob just cooked and ate a guy in Congo.
Ignoring the fraud for a moment, veterans were contracted to do a job and the disability payments come with that job. They are no more or less handouts than the wages of any given civil servant.
So I assume you are arguing for anarchy? I can respect that, not enough anarchists on ZH ... not that I agree with them, but at least they are clear thinkers.
Head out of ass please. The article was explicitly about double-dipping and getting two disability payments from two different agencies.
Almost nobody, even on ZH, is going to claim that truely disabled veterans should not get a fair disability.
Zerohedge is very fucking poor to follow threaded conversations, so I assume you didn't grok who I was replying to ... it was this one :
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-01/hard-understand-1000s-veterans-...
"The solution is simple. Stop all handouts."
yeah, stop all handouts, who cares if innocent kids go hungry
and you can't be busted for fraud if what you are doing is legal
more idiot double talk by zeroheadge to get the ron paul nut jobs all worked upped
and here Mark Levin takes Mitch Mconnell apart for his bullshit lies.
http://www.cnsnews.com/video/cnsnews/levin-mcconnell
Also don't forget the full-time FBI agent who murdered a key Boston Bombing witness, an agent out on lifetime disability pay from the city of Oakland.
Oakland probes disability pay of ex-cop who's now FBI agent
FBI special agent still gets $52,000 in disability pay
Henry K. Lee and Will Kane
Updated 8:32 am, Saturday, May 24, 2014
Oakland officials are investigating why a former police officer is collecting $52,488 a year in medical disability benefits from the city even though he has been working as an FBI agent in Boston.
The unusual case of FBI Special Agent Aaron McFarlane, 41, came to the attention of Oakland officials after the agent was identified last week as the federal officer who shot and killed a key figure last year in the Boston Marathon bombing investigation.
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Oakland-probes-disability-pay-of-ex-...
we are so doomed. I just hope I'm sound asleep so I dont feel the pain
$3.5 Billion! That's outrageous! That's scandalous! That's... about what was spent in six hours on any given business day by the Fed while QE was in effect, being as the Fed was spending about $80Bn a month playing footsie with the markets.
Anyways, outrage duly noted, carry on. As if what we think has any impact whatsoever on what happens in DC.
Forget these vets. What about the corrupt elected ruling political elites' fraud they have perpetrated upon all of the hard working tax paying U.S. citizens the money they earned.
Forget these vets. What about the corrupt elected ruling political elites' fraud they have perpetrated upon all of the hard working tax paying U.S. citizens the money they earned.
As a vet I can say this, you get retirement that's great. You were wounded and get disability, God bless your service.
But to collect SSI disability on top of all that? That's over the line and into abuse territory.
But as far as enforcement?
Let's bust all the fucks abusing the Fed's free money policies
Let's bust the fucking banksters
Let's bust the politicians / federal agents abusing the hell out of the EPA regs and eminent domain
THEN
Let's bust all the welfare cheats
Finally
Let's bust the vets abusing the system.
We have some bigger fish to fry in the meantime.
With respect, but how about all of the Agent Orange injured vets that were ignored?! The "Gulf War Syndrome" vets ignored?! The "free for life" healthcare promise that is now a vet paid insurance program, Tri-Care?! The Bonus Marcher vets that were trampled under the treasonous feet and hooves of the Army?!
No, at this stage of the corruption game mascoted by Corzine, one should get as much as they can get their hands on, and get it quick. ALL of it is stolen from the sheeple anyways,might as well steal some of it back.
An American, not US subject.
"Corzine and SAC exemplify what the law is for."
See my post below about my father's AO sickness and how the VA denies him any care of disability, much less what I am going through trying to get my service connected injuries recognized.
This story is quite disingenuous as there are a LOT of vets suffering and not getting SHIT.
My dad died from it.
And yes vets get totally screwed.
From what I hear the VA hospitals are basically big drug dispensaries. If you have an ailment that could remotely be helped with pills, they will get right on it and give you some. Otherwise...
You don't know the half of it.
And how in the FUCK can anyone junk someone for stating that they are getting FUCKED by .gov after serving honorably [whether you understood you were a banker sttoge (merc) at the time or not, intentions were good].
To the junkers FUCK YOU, you pick up an arm and defend this country then you cowards.
Slaughtering Vietnamese and Iraqi citizens for whatever reason is fucking shameful and a crime. Fuck all of you idiots that claim that is defending your cuntry.
See my post above about the word "hero." The greater public is held hostage by words like these.
Hero? A load and meaningless word.
The catechism (indoctrination) is hard, even for a Hedger, to overcome….
The four most over-rated things in life: Pretty Much Every Thing
Oi!
:-)
@OddJob, I hear what your saying, but do all the people that did not understand that at the time deserve their suffering and distain now, even those of us whom have seen the light?
To be fair there are a lot of people who have crapple products and the people who make crapple kill themselves often hence the suicide nets, so by your logic should all crapple owners die and feel shameful that they use a product produced with slave labor?
Not one of here has truly clean hands
And generally in my experience, older vets seem to be some of the most honarable, dignified people I have ever had the pleasure to work with and for, todays generations not so much. But heaping all vets into one pile is as bad as saying KILL ALL THE JEWS, isn't it?
Karaio
There's a word that cares real meaning!
And (the relentless decline of it) is what gonna trigger WW-3.
“The BRIC’S Bank is anti Petrodollar, not anti Money Power” -- Anthony Migchels
Escrava Isaura:
Não creio que a coisa seja por aí.
Para os BRICS o US$ simplesmente não existe.
Não sei se você entende o que é escambo.
Escambo é a simples troca de um bem pelo outro sem moeda envolvida.
Eu produzo 100 toneladas de milho e preciso de alguma coisa, um trator por exemplo.
Eu envio mminha produção aos russos e eles me enviam o trator que eu preciso.
O cálculo para saber o quanto custa o quê é horas/homem de trabalho.
Há outras variantes sobre Tecnologias ou estudo para gerar essas Tecnologias mas, basicamente tudo já foi descoberto então, benvinda ao BRICS!
Não existe pecado abaixo do Equador:
http://www.vagalume.com.br/ney-matogrosso/nao-existe-pecado-ao-sul-do-eq...
:-)
Slave Isaura:
I do not think the thing is there.
For the $ BRICS simply does not exist.
Do not know if you understand what is barter.
Barter is the simple exchange of one good for another without money involved.
I produce 100 tonnes of maize and need something, eg a tractor.
I send mminha production to the Russians and they send me the tractor I need.
The calculation to find out how much it costs what is man / hours of work.
There are other variants on technologies or study to generate these technologies but basically everything has been discovered then welcome to the BRICS!
There is no sin below the Equator:
http: ... //www.vagalume.com.br/ney-matogrosso/nao-existe-pecado-ao-sul-do-eq
:-)
Karaio
I understand it very well. And that will be the end of the dollar... money as we know it.
I just wished you had placed it in English.
And thanks for the link. I remember Ney growing up.
No thanks for your service.
Soldiers are the worst type of sheeple, completely fucking deluded.
Some get their eyes opened after they get royally screwed but I know loads who are all rah rah rah lets kill some evildoers.
Buncha numnut jugheads.
Patriots are the worse kind of statist.
Imaginary red lines don't turn me on.
I have smart friends who are Iraqi, Samoan, even Danish and Canadian.
--an Earthling, not a Statist
Off Topic:
Commenting on blogs is an addiction, an interesting but sometimes stressful thing if you take it seriously.
Send some commentators the bitch that bore him is normal-and commendably healthy, is good for the ego and leaves the soul washed Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
If you talk today to a German "slecken meinen Arsch" probably the guy does not understand shit but this curse was recurrent in Austria after WW I - my grandfather taught me that.
I could cite a lot of old expressions in Russian and French, with a few learned Partizan who killed a lot of Germans, he lived in Iguape-SP Brazil, the guy was married to a Bolivian and their son, Michel is still a great my friend has my age.
Could tell you about one of the Wermacht lieutenant, a priest of the Society of the Divine Word, a Roman Catholic Apostolic, a guy who told stories about insane IIWW he passed, his name was Bertholdo, Father Bertholdo, died two years ago on the Island Long-SP Brazil.
You guys have seen a Dutch priest? No?
Well, I met one guy had over two feet tall, was a guy who spoke when the walls were shaking, here is a video of it:
http://www.museudapessoa.net/pt/conteudo/pessoa/jan-van-der-heijden-padr...
With these people I grew up and lived.
There is another guy who would like to present to you an insane researcher, a guy who before had no empirical evidence that Monsanto's poisons were killing the world:
http://www.museudapessoa.net/pt/conteudo/historia/historia-de-vida-46558
Does anyone else here have a story to tell?
Toc Toc Toc ....
Nothing between the ears.
hehe.
I would have to agree Skateboarder. In my 24 years I saw some heroes but I'm sad to say I saw many more cowards. The cowardice came mostly off of the battlefield by those who were more concerned about currying favor with their superiors than they were about real leadership. The heroes and the cowards existed on the curve a couple of standard deviations from the mean. The majority of service members are there to fulfill their obligation and achieve whatever their goal was for joining in the first place. An individual's experience in the service many times is a result of timing and/ or luck. It has always aggravated me to see the broad swath of veterans called heroes. Most of us did our jobs, tried to lead with integrity the best we could when circumstances were difficult and left the service to move on in other unrelated careers. Service members are more or less a reflection of society.
Agreed, neither my dad nor myself are 'heros', but we all suffer from the shit done to us by .gov and expecting them to atleast sortof try to care for you after they fuck you up does not seem unreasonable, does it? Isn't that what responsibility means? The vitriol I see here toward our vets is nauseating. Way too many guys just wanted to do their job and are now suffering horribly because of that, but to all the people junking those who are suffering are some sick twisted fucks IMO.
Like it or not "if" TSHTF it will most likely be those of us that know how to FIGHT that will make the difference betwenn many of these cowards living and dying, but hey Junk the vets, spit on them, berade them and say they have NO right to care much less compensation for things that happened to them righfully or wrongfully, this is why we are DYING as a society and why if society breaks down fully, the culling will be massive. I know now that my service was wrong, but at the time I did beLIEve I was doing the right thing, but by many commenters logic here I should just go and die a little quicker and don't deserve shit other then their distain.
Be careful what you wish for folks we all might just get it.......
I respect your words and thoughts Nemo, you seem to grasp both sides of the thought process here at ZH. Many here can clearly see the "bridge" between one line of thinking to the next (polar opposite) as you have so experienced, on this particular issue.
Just the other day, I was reading about the young chap Nicholas Slatten, and what he did in Iraq back in 2007 along with his cohorts. I was both disturbed and enlighted in reading this story: the fact that a young man here in the USA can hate, so violently, people in a country he has never met nor had any real reason to hate, and to kill willingly these people. And at the same time, the fact that he has no real reason to hate these people, EXCEPT that which the government has conveniently provided his young mind via constant 24/7 propaganda in the years leading up to his crimes.
So, do I blame Nicholas? Yes. But do I blame him fully? No. This guy was a fuckin simple guy, clearly not 100% there in the head, who knew no better, and concurrently was a victim of the propaganda we were all subject to, and still are.
So, there is going to be a feeling of disdain toward anyone who serves, and kills, for what we all believe to be a faux cause. Naturally. However, it is necessary at the same time to understand how this comes to be. Thank you.
Good point. The problem is that the winners are the ones who can successfully game the system in some way. Those who have true need and no political clout are left with crumbs or nothing.
The cases they cite HAVE to be almost all OFFICERS of the highest rank.
1. The VA does not pay disability based on rank. A private at XX% disability gets the same amount of money as a 4 star general.
2. Retirement pay does go by rank. You have to be a very high rank to get the kind of money they talked about in the article.
3. I never heard about a veteran getting SS disability, I am shocked.
4. Concurrent recepit that they spoke about started in 2004, retired veterans who were disabled started to get a portion of the money that was deducted from their retirement pay back. 100% of disability pay from the VA was deducted from retired pay before that time. Most vets who were 70% or more disabled and were not high ranking NCOs or Officers DID NOT GET ANY retired pay for their service.
5. People eligiable for concurrent repcepit got 10% of their retirement pay reinstated starting in 2004, and 10% more each year, meaning it was not until this year, 2014, that they no longer had their retirement pay offset.
6. On average, it takes about one year after retirement or discharge to see a VA doctor for treatment. Example, you get discharged, first you have to get a disability rating, whiich could take more than a year, then you wait to see a VA doctor. Meanwhile, where is your health care coming from? TRICARE of course, the FREE healthcare that you were promised, THAT YOU PAY FOR. Think about it, they promised free and you have to pay for it.
Ok, ZHers, go get you some of that free stuff.
This article is total bullshit for what it leaves out. If a guy is getting over 100K from the sytem, he has to be a retired Colonel or above. There is no way on earth they are getting that amount and were some Platoon Sergeant. I call total BULLSHIT. I have no idea about Social Security benefits, but I know about the Army retirement system and the VA. And I call BULLSHIT over and over.
Well done. Your facts are spot on.
The US military kisses Obola's arse.
Rhino, I agree with everything you said.
At the same time, bottom line, it's LEGAL. Being such, I'm having a hard time getting upset with any veteran who takes advantage of something that's completely legal.
As you said, there are far bigger fish to fry.
It's legal, huh? Sorry, doesn't cut it for me.
Do they pay into SS? If so, they should be able to take out. If not, no.
60,000 triple dipping Veterans picked up $3.5 billion in benefits legally
The Fed printed over $3.5 trillion to bail out the banksters of Wall Street. Who cares if 60,000 veterans legally got 0.1% of what the parasitic banksters got?
Besides, the police have liberated over $2.5 billion from 62,000 motorists. That is a much bigger problem but no politician is fixing that.
We’re talking about the people’s money that the Congress allocates to the sources that help them.
Number 1) the Big Banks that pay for their reelection, their perks and their gifts to their districts; Number 2) the War Party that consistently works for more soldiers, more money for soldiers, more military equipment and more wars, and Number 3) the massive army of federal workers and other public service employees coupled with the vast welfare ranks who vote for the total socialistic package.
It is time that taxpayers, if Congress won’t do it, consider withholding their taxes from these projects of plunder.
The gov can grab what they want if you have it in a bank, otherwise I would have done it already.
Edit: Withhold paying taxes, I mean.
I would love to put it into an escrow account and let it build up until such a time as the government was more honest than not. Better to pay no tax at all, but I would settle for minimal honest enough, government.
The fact is, nobody should be stealing. Since it is legal for the bankers and politicians, then I say everyone should do it and bring the system down. The system is rotten and corrupt to the core. The working class is being abused by both the parasitic elites and the hordes of generational welfare parasites.
Stories like this seek to pillory individuals, rather than focusing on corrupt banks/corporations/insurers.
Despite the Supine Court decreeing after a cabalistic seance (or satanic ritual) that "corporations are individuals" - those corporations/banks/insurers are never held accountable.
Guilt, shame, and fear the individual citizen - while holding up the almighty corporate parasites as paragons of virtue.
It's a kind of ritual sacrifice that is playing out all across the globe one life at a time.
Has nobody told the politicians about the dangers of stiffing the army ?
Happened before .
See
https://www.academia.edu/9063568/Saflieni_armageddon
It's time for the military to arrest the Wall Street bankers, globalists, and politicians and repudiate any and all public debt owed to them. We can make good on the debt owed to retirement funds, private investors, and foreigners to keep our word. Dismantle the federal reserve and let the US Treasury print our currency as needed. Term limits on Congress to a maximum of 12 years. Use the illegals to built the border wall and then deport them. Get the US military out of all corners of the globe.
@ Sun tzu:
You're a teenager, go with quieter!
Act slowly and patiently without the enemy noticing is a great tactic.
You do not face a big guy on hand, you kill some flies in front of him, takes a slap and then kicks the bag guy.
hehe.
I'm with you, sun tzu. You have it exactly right.
Andre,
Please stop spamming for your crazy ass blog.
Go to the triangle hat wearers and crystals sites that are looking for the Great Jomama.
As a Veteran and fiscal conservative I find the triple-dipping hard to fathom. One more nail in the coffin.
The government is looting and pillaging this country and you find it hard to fathom that the general public has realized this and is now grabbing what they can? It was bad before, but with TARP, QE, and the bailouts, the gloves are off. I'm no longer angered when the middle class start getting their share of the loot. The system will fall apart.
until the FED is shut down, more than a few Wall St big names do a perp walk, and the US global war on everyone shuts down.............meh, whatever.
stop paying taxes and take care of your own family
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or let the government bitchez
AE 9/11 Truth researchers plan lawsuit to seek release of 500,000 documents held by FEMA, NIST
http://wtfrly.com/2014/11/01/ae-911-truth-researchers-plan-lawsuit-seek-...
Okay. Now I understand what the DC US was doing that kept them from investigating and arresting Corzine.
An American, not US subject.
Headline subhead: "VA finds innovative way to shorten care waiting times."
The county we lived in in the US put the property appraiser's database on line for all to see. People get exemptions (full and partial) for all sorts of reasons - windowed spouse, quadripeligic, etc. The neighbor across the way on our ocean access canal had a sailboat in his backyard. He was a professor at the local University. He also had a business which provided advice to people to get 'uncontested' disabilty. When in the service he was in the Navy - in peacetime - and was responsible for putting together exercise programs.
This guy received a permanent, full-time exemptions from all property taxes ($10K +) claiming he was permanently disabled while in the military. He got a letter saying as much from the VA.
Ironic how that shit works.
I know 1 VN vet had to wait decades before collecting on leukemia from agent orange.
I know another that played it to the hilt. Tore 1 rotator cuff lifting weights while active @ x%disabled. Tore the other one playing AAAaaanold & got full disability, not only from the military, but SS plus a $30 hr corporate job. from which he retired @ about age 50.
Start with CONgress then the banksters if it's going to be cleaned up.
The VA will NOT recognize my father's Agent Orange claim from his time in service during the Vietnam Era due to the fact he was stationed at Kimpo Airbase in Korea, even though 90% of the Agent Orange went through Kimpo. He was living on the tarmac of the airport and had on several occasion barrels of AO spilled in and around their sleeping quarters, and all GI's had to assist in the cleanup, hell he even has a few pics of him infront of pallets of AO, and they tell him sorry Charlie, NO AO coverage for you, He has EVERY Symptom/Sign of AO sickness, and myself and my 2 sisters have health issues since birth that seem to be related to the genetic pass-on component of this.
Now don't even get me started about my issues with the VA and their denial of my claim[s] of service connected disabilities that I have been fighting for for almost a decade now.
Burn this whole shit down and lets start over.
I have sympathy for your father but even more for the real victims of AO - the Vietnamese - who I imagine would get short shrift were they to have looked for compensation.
Agent Orange was a truly Nazi level crime against humanity on all levels. Sorry to hear about your dad.
But AO is not an isolated case. Look into all the servicemen and Iraqi civilians whose health and lives were destroyed by Depleted Uraniam from the tens of thousands of tank rounds fired in that criminal war.
Evil becomes the norm when massive Goverment, Corporate, Media and Military institutions merge into one twisted entity always grasping for more money and power.
Uai!
You never heard of hexachlorobenzene and pentachlorophenol?
Kkkkkkkkkkkkk!
I was very close to these components in manufacturing Cubatao-SP Brazil.
A contract was a contract of Rhodia closed with US Army North, these components were forbidden to do in Europe or the US were made ??in Brazil.
I worked in the Department of the Environment, was a state employee.
When the US military realized that Agent Orange was killing its own soldiers shipments were discontinued.
Rhodia's plant had already received the money and not stopped producing, they spread these products in the mangroves, this occurred in 1968 and 1969.
In 1980 several mangroves were landed and built housing on them.
It was delivered water lines, wells were couples in homes.
The hexachlorobenzene and pentachlorophenol in groundwater that had killed many people.
I saw many couples between 22 and 27 years with cancer and other horrible diseases, witnessed the death of many children, was a horrible thing that happened between 1994 and 1996, I was there!
Now, I want to hear someone here at Zero Hedge talk about the good things about having an insane army, a lot of guys looking for a green card to live in the land of the free.
I wonder about the children in Iraq exposed to fire projectiles with low uranium content.
When you go through such an experience like I did, you know that the products were inconceivable to the human sobrivência and yet were manufactured and used, at least you got angry.
When you think better, you have hatred, insane hatred.
I like to clarify things, talk to you my experiences.
Another time I will tell about my experience in radioactive Angra dos Reis.
hehe.
Fuckin aye, Great news to hear veterans now have reason to be seriously pissed at Loyd Blankfein. We will come rejoicing bringing in the thieves. Have you genuflected today? Get the bastards that attacked America and took down the world trade centers. End the NWO.
Thanks for your service, freeloaders. Dipping...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfprRZQxWps
Soldiers or not, they're governmenr employees and for the same kind of money, they'd shoot you, you kids and rape your woman.
I guess minimum wage is worth it. And the honor of it all.
Honor... They become soldiers for the pay because they can't find a real job or most of them live in such a fucked up reality where they think that killing thousands of people is cool.
America salutes it's soldiers like all the former empires did.
And when suddenly the empire crumbles and can't pay the militairy, they take what they feel is their fair part.
There's not a lot of countries in the world where the population is so craey of it's militairy. It's so fucked up....
All that hero and patriot shit... It's sooooo lame and stupid.
You're not a patriot or a hero when you kill kids, even if it's your job or done "for the country", it just means you're a killer and you'll go to hell.
Americans should learn their own history a bit better.
Those shooting cowboys in those western movies all killing each other and shooting at the people? Robbing, killing....
So cool in the movies but most where soldiers during that north and south war and when they lost their job as soldiers, they hadn't a problem killing other Americans.
@sudden debt, Why don't you euro-dhimmis start paying for your own military security. I'm tired of subsidizing your social welfare benefits.
USA occupied Europe and other 130 countries. You should first close all military bases abroad in 150 countries
Relax, you're not paying a single penny for it.
Most of what is spend is printed and the money the Fed, a privatly owned company, sends to european banks, is not for any real economy.
You haven't paid a penny, but your kids will.
And you don't seem to understand that without the American efforts as guns for hire, it would be nothing more than Argentinia. And relax dude, it's not personal, you and me, we're just servs.
"You haven't paid a penny, but your kids will."
Careful, telling baby boomers and the greatest generation they are stealing from their children and grandchildren will invoke a sudden mass hysteria driven circle jerk lovefest of said generations CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CNBC, CBS, MSM watching braindead viewer drones AND ZH Alt media types. Nothing like the most massive theft in the history of mankind to bring people together!
Protecting us from whom? Europe's being invaded all right, but the invaders are from Africa and Muslim hell holes. And the US Government does everything in its power to support this invasion, never ceasing to scold anyone (e.g. Hungary) that makes even a feeble attempt to control its borders,
so sad, so true
You're right, they have a misguided sense of patriotism and honor. I'm sure many of them love their country, but they are fighting for crony capitalism and imperialism, not freedom and liberty. The real threat to America comes from government buildings, Wall Street, and corporate boardrooms, not some idiots in the desert.
Too right, you hit the nail on the head. However, the elites will keep on playing the national anthem, waving the flags, twisting the nation's core value to hypnotise the mass publics. Fighting the war for the sake of sowing for the next war which justisfies the growth of military power. The fall of an empire will be rotten from within.
A person from Belgium should shut the fuck up about other countries.
I have heard of the Congo you piece of shit.
Yep and that was 120 years ago :)
And I say whatever I want to say kid, I live in a country where's there free speech and where you don't need to leave the country if you don't like that!!!
Why do you hate freedom and the right of free speech so much? Is it because you hate everybody who doesn't agrees with you?
You'll fit right into any fascist state where you've got the 24/7 right to betray you friends and neighbours to the autorities if they say something you're crazy fucked up mind can't bend.
They need to fix this now.
If it's "Legal" but ethically unsound, it needs to be revised.
If it's "appropriate and justified", it needs to be further explained in detail.
Lost use of their feet? Diabetes from weighing 300 lbs and eating shit their whole lives or from a land mine or something?