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Not Again! US Trained Syrian "Moderates" Surrender To Jihadists - Hand Over Heavy Weapons
Despite the Obama Administration continuing to insist that its strategy in Syria is "working," The Telegraph reports that two of the main rebel groups receiving weapons from the US to fight both the regime and jihadist groups in Syria have surrendered to al-Qaeda. Rather stunningly, the Syrian Revolutionary Front, one of the largest "vetted, moderate" US-backed rebel forces, has been effectively wiped out; and has handed over all their weapons and bases including US-provided anti-tank missiles and GRAD rockets. Simply out, "as a movement, the SRF is effectively finished," but apart from that US foreign policy is 'nailing it'. As The Telegraph concludes, for the US, the weapons they supplied falling into the hands of al-Qaeda is a realisation of a nightmare.
As The Telegraph reports (via Contra Corner),
Two of the main rebel groups receiving weapons from the United States to fight both the regime and jihadist groups in Syria have surrendered to al-Qaeda.
The US and its allies were relying on Harakat Hazm and the Syrian Revolutionary Front to become part of a ground force that would attack the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).
For the last six months the Hazm movement, and the SRF through them, had been receiving heavy weapons from the US-led coalition, including GRAD rockets and TOW anti-tank missiles.
But on Saturday night Harakat Hazm surrendered military bases and weapons supplies to Jabhat al-Nusra, when the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria stormed villages they controlled in northern Idlib province.
The development came a day after Jabhat al-Nusra dealt a final blow to the SRF, storming and capturing Deir Sinbal, home town of the group’s leader Jamal Marouf.
The attack caused the group, which had already lost its territory in Hama to al-Qaeda, to surrender.
"As a movement, the SRF is effectively finished,” said Aymen al-Tammimi, a Syria analyst. “Nusra has driven them out of their strongholds of Idlib and Hama.”
The collapse of the SRF and attacks on Harakat Hazm have dramatically weakened the presence of moderate rebel fighting groups in Syria, which, after almost four years of conflict is increasingly becoming a battle ground between the Syrian regime and jihadist organisations.
For the United States, the weapons they supplied falling into the hands of al-Qaeda is a realisation of a nightmare.
And Anti-War's Jason Dietz sums up perfectly...
The Obama Administration continues to insist that its strategy in Syria is “working,” but the setbacks on the ground are growing more dramatic by the day, and the Syrian Revolutionary Front, one of the largest “vetted, moderate” US-backed rebel forces, has been effectively wiped out.
The Revolutionary Front was routed by both ISIS and al-Qaeda’s Jabhat al-Nusra in recent days, and has now surrendered outright after the fall of Deir Sinbal, agreeing to hand over all their weapons and bases to Nusra.
Those weapons, it should be made clear, include US-provided anti-tank missiles and GRAD rockets, and adds to the sizable cache of American weapons now in the hands of US enemies in Syria.
Nusra and ISIS had been at odds for most of the year going into the US war, but the administration’s decision to attack the both of them has driven them into a growing coordination, and turned the already massive ISIS into an even bigger group with even more international contacts.
The US had been backing groups like the Revolutionary Front with an eye toward eventually installing them as the new Syrian government, but even with US and GCC bankrolling, they never grew beyond comparatively small factions within the overall, Islamist-dominated rebellion.
That didn’t stop the US from throwing larger amounts of more advanced weaponry at them, despite it being fairly obvious that either ISIS or Nusra could take them out at any time.
There wasn’t much need for ISIS or Nusra to do so until the US expanded its war into Syria in September, and that made US allies on the ground huge targets for enemies they were not able to defeat.
The administration will no doubt downplay the defeat of the Revolutionary Front, having distanced themselves from the existing moderate factions with an eye toward eventually creating their own rebel group.
Yet the same problems loom large if and when that new group is created, as it will presumably be made up of recruits from the same feckless fighting forces, and awash in the same US armaments that didn’t work this time.
The US policy of throwing weapons and funds at such factions has not only failed, it has failed spectacularly, giving ISIS and Nusra a steady stream of advanced weapons to loot from smaller forces.
Not only has the administration clearly not learned that lesson, but the plan to create a new rebel force seems destined to repeat it, on an even larger scale.
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Wait till O reads about this in the newspapers.
"Wait till O reads about this in the newspapers."
Wait till O reads about this on the 10th tee.
fixed it for ya.
Filed under 'couldn't see this coming'
Just love it when a plan comes together.
Oh wait, who's plan ?
I bet they are not losing any sleep in the imbecile US flag (politician) officer ranks or over at Raytheon (TOW).
In the mean time, Assad's O&G infrastructure is being reduced to rubble, right on schedule...
Same as it ever was.
I bet she sucks at making bread too!
Maybe so, but she still "won" the war, if that is even possible.
In this war, the images are now color and often video, but that is about the only difference.
Have you registered for Selective Service?
So, apparently, service guarantees citizenship?
Want to lern more? Lol one of my favs
This is like the movie Mars Attacks.
We keep making the same mistake.
Who's to say that the new rebels we supply arms to is'nt ISIS?
Nice feedback loop for TPTB to profit!
A least the French know how to do wire-guided anti-tank stuff. (40 sec.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1da7RUA5RVE
Syrian/Barry version of Holder's Fast & Furious ... supplying weapons to the enemy.
This is a relatively new merikan strategy; giving blood-thristy murderers your guns.
FIRST we create the enemy and then we arm them and pay them to fight us.
Thank god for our fearless leader.
Wait, what was our strategy again, and which side are we on?
Very true. Yet, I will not be holding my breath to hear apologizes from our illustrious Congressional members who supported giving US built weapons to these insane "freedom fighters". I wonder if Mr. McCain will be apologizing to the public about supporting a failed side, or the real threat now of jihadists now having access to US made weapons, that could be used against us? Where is the liability? Same as it ever was...
www.gunsgrubandgold.com
"Permawar is the BEST racket" - Smedley
it has been a strategy for a while. USA has been arming Jihad since at least 1975 " BEAR TRAP".
same as it ever was, only bear has learned a lot since than.
How to serve Amerika.
It's a cookbook!
We are the Twilight Zone now
And at the same time taking Guns away from YOU and ME.
Actually, Fast and Furious supplied weapons to the Sinaloa Cartel, a friend of the Democratic Party, a big Chicago campaign funder.
This non-war War against ISIS makes Obamacare look like a well planned, well-executed, under-budget governmental success story by comparison.
Our tax dollars hard at work!
After seeing all of the ISIS execution videos of Iraqi soliders, people, etc ....
What fucking moron actually SURRENDERS to these degenerate fucks??
"...What fucking moron actually SURRENDERS to these degenerate fucks??..."
What fucking moron believes fake Jabat al Nusra was actually attacked by fake ISIS and had to surrender? Fake FSA are head-choppers, fake JAN are head-choppers and fake ISIS are head-choppers.
TIP (pay attention) The fake FSA IS fake Jabhat al Nusra, fake Jabhat al Nusra IS fake ISIS, and fake ISIS will be whatever the next fake radicalized Wahabbi extremist group ZATO creates. They all exist because they serve the goals of Israel, and they were created and encouraged by Israel's bitch, the U.S.A.
Israel pushed for the Syrian war the same reason they pushed for the Iraqi war, the Ukrainian war and the Gaza genocide: remove obstacles to Israel's oil supply and remove obstacles for their planned Leviathan natural gas pipeline and sales to Europe.
Israel doesn't ever want Iraq to recover. They need a weak, easily manipulated government and a perpetual state of chaos. That will ensure oil flows from their puppet Kurdish government through Turkey (or eventually across Iraq) to them. Israel has been buying stolen Iraqi oil for the last year for pennies on the dollar through terminals owned by Erdogan's son. Israel will ensure the Iraqi government never regains control of their soverign territory and the resources of the Iraqi people. It was just easier to steal oil in the north than it was in the south. Saddam Hussein also would never allow the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline to be build or sell a drop of oil to Israel, so he had to be killed. Israel will also never allow Iraq to rebuild any air defenses - Israel want's complete freedom to use Iraqi airspace to attack Iran.
While Iraq was about oil to Israel, Syria is all about exporting Israel's Leviathan natural gas to Europe. Assad would never allow the Israelis to transport their gas across Syria, so he must be killed and an Israeli-frendly government put in place to finish the pipeline. At the same time, Syria isn't allowed to ever have an air defence capability again because Israel wants to use Syrian airspace with impunity to attack Iraq. The world would naturally scream bloody murder if Israel started regularly attacking Syria air defenses directly. Israel uses their bitch, the U.S., to take care of them. And that is primarily through fake al Nusra and fake ISIS attacks. That's why they needed TOWs - to take out hardened Syrian air defense positions, not to take out Syrian armor. When Syrian air defenses are completely destroyed, Israel will have the U.S. finish off Assad and install a puppet regime. At the very least, Israel will be able to overfly both Syria and Iraq illegally to bomb Iranian children without any consequences.
Syria's air defense was broken down in five major groups: Damascus, the Golan, Medditerranian Coast, Hims-Halab Line, and Tiyas (T4) Air Base. Israel and their bitch, the US, used fake Jabhat al Nusra to take out the Medditerranian Coast and Golan air defense installations. Fake al Nusra, because they were really Academi/Greystone/Xe-directed. They did have real head-choppers for footsoldiers, but they were most certainly JSOC-controlled spook ops. Hims-Halab and Damascus were suppose to be taken out by the U.S. cruise missle strikes - Israel is still pissed about that. The five areas are described at the bottom of this APA report. It's old, but generally correct except for upgraded SAMs.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Syria-SAM-Deployment.html
ISIS is attacking the T4 Air Base right now ('Tiyas' is a bad translation of T4). The aircraft don't fly too often and are little threat to fake ISIS. But just like the Golan and Medditerranian air defense positions, Israel needs T4 air defenses destroyed. It makes no strategic sense for fake ISIS to lose so many troops against an inconsequential air base - they are being paid (or otherwise encouraged) to get the job done for Israel. With the Medditerranian, Golan and T4 air defenses destroyed, Israel will be able to use Syrian and Iraqi airspace unapposed.
http://eaworldview.com/2014/11/syria-daily-islamic-state-launches-assaul...
With an Israeli-firster Republican controlled congress, Israel can start diverting more forced U.S. taxpayer contributions and military efforts to blocking Russia's South Stream (which would cripple Israeli's Leviathan money-making schemes). They could care less if the U.S. and Russia go at it, as long as Russia bleeds enough in the process to delay South Stream. Usurping the Ukrainian 'uprising' was suppose to be about ensuring Israel's future monopoly on EU natural gas (tying up Russian pipelines in politics) but Putin didn't fall for it. Israel has to get their Republican bitches to beef up sanctions, prevent Ukraine from paying Gazprom this winter and muscle Hungary to prevent South Stream. The 2018 U.S. presidential elections are inconsequential for Israel. They will either have an Israeli-firster Republican, or Israeli-firster Hillary. Then they can start burning Iranian babies.
The fact that you don't even know what year the next US presidential election is causes me to question the validity of your entire comment.
John Kerry (aka Jon Carry aka "A Haircut in Search of a Brain" *) was supposed to sell his Raytheon stock prior to becoming Secretariat of State; last I read he never did.
* h/t James Howard Kunstler - 9.1 million hits since 3 March 2014
Fast and Furious!
Middle Eastern Style...
They saw this coming, rest assured!
DaddyO
My thought, too
All according to plan. All according to plan. How else to get our weapons into the hands of those Obama really wants?
and russia? think about syrian inerests as it relates to russia. this is truely a hot spot on da earth. pipelines and such...
Hmmmm.
Long Syrian pipeline.
Very long, if it has to go around Syria.
Actually it benefits Russia just as much. The pipeline hasn't been built, Assad is still in power, and Syria is buying weapons from Russian arms factories.
Win-Win
"Moderate" isn't what should be in air quotes. "Surrendered" to "ISIL" should be in air quotes.
At this rate, IS/ISIS/ISIL/ISICLE will have squadrons of F-22 Raptors, F35 Lightning/JSFs (not that they can fly properly), B2 Bombers, fleets of Navy Destroyers & Aircraft carriers (with Rail Guns), and thousands of JDAM missiles as well as Predator and Global Skyhawk Drones in no time.
Who cares as long as the defense contractors (largely owned by the neocons and Illuminati) keep raking in billions.
Truth in Sunshine +100
LMAO. MIC going to double shifts?
Bah! There's no way they get any carriers, the rest maybe so. Okay maybe they get the carriers but it's not for sure.
Only a matter of time before the IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) surrenders to IS, giving them nukes and sig-int.
:/
And just think for the price of JUST ONE B2 Bomber we could harden EVERY Nuclear plant in the US.
Just how amazing is THAT !
Perhaps, either way it's a good time to be a soldier of fortune...
Don't forget the nuclear weapons and satellite spaced based platforms..
I cannot believe that this is NOT intentional.
When not able to attack Syria the west arms indirectly the 'other' enemy to do the dirty.
Nothing is what it seems and nobody can be trusted in the world of manufactured 'chaos' and fear.
McCain convinced me that his buddies werent al queda. you doubt a decorated navy pilot?
/sarc
They already do, we're just maning them them.
What ? Between rounds of golf.
Delighted at that pieceo f news...?
After all - it´s THE plan. Get with the program , or else...just ask those idiots in Benghazi who just couldn´t understand what´s it´s all about.
The fact that this is in mainstream news just shows how perilous the situation is.
The truth, as I've said before is that these people for the most part have been trained in the same places by the same western handlers. Nusra ( and ISIS ) had this sort of heavy weaponry already of course - but it is true they got the rest of it.
The truth is there never really existed a pure "moderate" group. They were always intermixed and the reality is that this whole thing started with Robert Ford and his merry band of islamist death squads. Any vestige of moderat rebels have eithertaken part in the amnesty program and are now fighting for the national defense force or they have become defacto bandits / highwaymen and now are more concerned with gunrunning / kidnapping / wildcat checkpoints to make money.
Either way I'm glad to see the fable ( which has been a fable from day 0 ) all but complete it's death spasms.
People in the western world and the USA have to tell their government to stop supporting these groups. Its that or start calling them terrorists too.
This bullshit started all the way back with the Mujahedin in Afghanistan.
There f??king terrorist you incompetant morons in DC!
LOL. People Have to tell their govt's something? Why the fucking wall would listen better.
And yes, your govt in DC are the terrorists. Have been for a long long time. They just wear suits and hire their killing done for them. So it really won't bother them a bit if you call them as such.
Actually - the wall listens.For real. You really have been in D.C.
its so brilliant... they've found a way to arm ISIS without political repercusions....
NOt dissimilar to standing down as they drove in to iraq and stole all that ( after the gulf state heretics paid off high level iraqui officers to look the other way ).
The very best American military weapons for 3rd world jihadists to run amok with and use against us, but if we had our way no squirrel gun for you Joe American.
Sincerely,
Your Average Democrat politician
Obummer wanted al-Qaeda to get the weapons, just as he wanted the "fast and furious" machine guns to go to the Mexican Sinaloa drug cartel/DEA subsidiary. The Saudis are Obummer's organ grinder and the U.S. taxpayers funded this indirect weapons transfer to the al-Qaeda/ISIS/CIA mercenary murderers.
Arrest McCain and Obama for treason. They say Al-Queda (ISIS) are enemies of the US and they keep supplying them with heavy weapons. Impeach Obola and prosecute him.
Impeach
Arrest
Tri
Convict
Execute.
However, at this point we can forget the formalities & just Arrest.
Go straight to execute, we can deal with the formalties post mortem.
That's some funny shit right there Winston. However, unlike the Psychopathic, sick Scum Fucks the Criminals are. We, on the other hand are normal, law biding individuals with morality & a lot of FEMA Camps ready & waiting to be filled with District of Criminal Megalomanics.
Which is why we will lose.
You don't fight fire with a water pistol.
^^ SO true Winston.
I thought you would skip the formalities and move straight to Execute.
You sir, are a true optimist. The judical arm of government, just like the legislative and executive arm is now fully owned.
Don't forget the educational, scientific, media and political arms...squid like
All of them.
After I make my "surprised face", I will simply observe that this "bad luck" simply cannot be random. It is probable that the group "surrendering" these weapons was backed by/a front for Turkish intelligence. Who else benefits from more chaos in Syria?
This apparent misfortune will be used as an excuse for escalation, more air strikes, more boots on the ground and more CIA meddling. The Russians are involved too and will gladly help us out in Syria if we stop our meddling in Ukraine. Putin basically said so in his speech a few days ago.
The Turks, Iranians and Russians (because of their naval base there and the gas pipelines) have the most at stake in Syria. Let them solve this problem. Why we are involved just baffles me.
And I doubt it's an Israeli conspiracy. Israel is content with Assad and the calm situation in Lebanon.
Cui bono?
Will Obama be the first US president to shoot down a US commercial jet? Demonstrably.
After Shanksville?
There was no jet at Shanksville.
Or else, it was as magical as the Amazing Pentalawn tm
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html
That Pentagon lawn is amazing!
Just contrast that with the airliner jet engines that totally vaporized on impact.
They should make jet engines from superlawn.
Much cheaper than chrome steel.
Pentahole and Pentalawn and Shankahole. Modern physics can demonstrate without doubt how an elephant can hang syspended from a daisy ( Jim Garrison at the New Orleans JFK trial) or how a Boeing can fit into a small hole or just vaporize into thin air.
The next two years up until either Jeb or Hillary gets eleced will be dangerous. Stay out of tall buildings big cities , subways and such.
Two years? You give the whole project two more years? I really hope we have that much time left before it all gets too real.
Well - let´s say within the next two years.And let´s try to be positive - think about the investment possibilities! After all - that´s the only thing left to consider. I´m just annoyed that I am not getting a clear reading on what´s going down. By land - or by sea ...or by air. And when.This Oboloa thing has a lot of promise to it. I´m riding biotech with a decent return so far. But what if they decide on something else. Consider all those phyzz stackers who won´t be doing didley squat with their stash since it´s...radioactive. Yeezz - what a bummer.
Hadnt seen that before... thats pretty amazing....
We can blame it on his left golf hook and failing that of coursE!! Putin did it!
Maybe but he won't top Pet Goat's Fly Four Planes into Two Tall Buildings Stunt..
Oh isn't this an old plot.
2003- Bush
"I didn't see the <crazee's> coming out of Saudi Arabia going to hijack a bunch of commercial jet liners.."
2015- Obola
"I didn't see that all those IS/ISI/ISIS/ISCIA/Ifk/ Coming across the border with their coffee thermoses full of ebola liquified remains..'
Just like the end of the crusades. History repeats itself.
I'm afraid you are right.
It may come down to another Crusaders VS Huns "debate".
Go Crusading with Cruz! Honk for a Canadian as President! Women can - Muammar got sodomized with a bayonet! Let´s get a McNuke into the White House! Biden will hasten your demise! South Carolina - what´s left of it for Lindsey!
Please feel free to add good slogans for bumper stickers and those moronic signs on two by fours.
(I am in a foul mood today. Don´t know why. There´s no clear reason for it. Just that strange feeling. Plus the fact that I ´m not getting any good - wink , wink - tips on what puts to buy. That really pisses me off. Have tried to dial the insiders but they refuse to answer my calls. It´s really a miserable world we live in where a rich investor can´t get ahead...or a head ...as I prefer to put it)
Maybe I should stay off the red wine. Soon I will be writing a manuscript that will dwarf Django Unchained and Machete. This non-communication of investment strategies based on terrist activities irritates me to no end.
Maybe we should just call off the dog-and-pony show 2016 and keep Obama in. Obola för Obola! Biotech has staged a nice showing of force ever since that virus came out of the woodwork.
Waiting-it´s so incredibly boring. Puhleeeze niggah just give me a decent timeline.
Let the Chinese, Indians, Russians, and/or Euros do the crusading. After all, they are directly connected by land. Let us stay home and watch, and supply the weapons in exchange for oil and gold.
The Russians ? With Saudi and US feeding Chechen rebels and then getting them into Syria and Iraq. Wow the Russians have to be busy to keep up with the Saudi-US head-chopping brigades
Someone please explain to me why the Pentagon does nothing to stop this. Who's side are they on?
Like everyone else, they're on the side of money, job security, pensions, etc.
The Pentagram is on Lucerfer's side.
they work for the bankers like everyone else,
it is the system. stay away from their apartments
and luggage and such. somebody said it...
"they know not what they do."
Its good for the MIC.
Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. You funny guy.
Coming up next: An Ebola thread.
No, that's on hold until Wednesday morning.
Thank you.
Let me write (another) check for those.
I introduce you to the French of the ME.
do you mean hummus eating surrender monkeys?
You know... why not give a nuke with a cellphone detonator to those braves and let them walk over there?
IT'S JUST SO FUCKING EASY TO BLOW THOSE GUYS UP! DO IT ALREADY!!!
I hope this doesn't distrupt El Presidente's golf outing. He might have to come on teevee to tell us how good the "war"is going.
Bagdad Bob has nothing on this POTUS...the only difference is POTUS actually believes what he is saying
Bad news is not so bad if you get it on a golf course. Forward. Or fore.
At least on a golf course he can bury his head in a sand trap.
At least on a golf course he is following "instructions" ...
GO OUT AND PLAY,
DON'T MEDDLE IN THE ACTIVITIES OF THE ADULTS,
BE A GOOD BOY AND YOU'LL LIVE TO COLLECT YOUR PENSION.
Do nothing stupid...
Maybe I should wear my "Did You Eat a Bowl of Stupid For Breakfast" T-shirt today.
Ya think?
http://tinyurl.com/qyxw7rt
Part of the missile identifies the “Eagle-Piche IND (Indiana) INC.” company as the manufacturer and says, in English, that it is “helium charged”, adding - rather ironically as it turns out -- the words: “CAUTION -- CONTAINS 6400 PSIG He (high explosive), FEDERAL LAW FORBIDS TRANSPORATION IF REFILLED -- PENALTY UP TO $25,000 AND FIVE YEARS IMPRISONMENT (49 USC 1809). The Syrians do not know how this weapon - which appears to have been manufactured as long ago as 1989 - made its way from the US to the hands of their country’s Islamist rebels -
Its full computer coding reads: DOT-E7694 NRC6400/11109/M1033 79294 ASSY 39317 MFR 54080.
A battery tube from another missile fired on the fourth of last month carries an inscription indented in the metal: “132964 Battery thermal MFG DATE 12/90 LOT No (indecipherable numeral then 912 S/N 005959.”
These codes should make it easy for the Americans to identify the purchaser - or receiver - of the weapon, if they choose to do so.
How did the Islamists receive these American weapons?
He means helium in this case, not high explosive.
Exactly. The marking '6400 PSIG He' means 6400 pounds per square inch (gauge pressure) of helium.
The error is in the original article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/how-did-islamists-re...
The stuff was made in 1989 or 1990? Must be Bush's fault!
I don´t think they give a shit about FEDERAL LAW. They don´t in general and someone most assuredly has their collective backs.
Send McCain over. He'll know what to do. I'm really sick of Obama not sticking to his guns. (Chris Crocker voice) Leave ISIS Alone!
If you can't lick 'em, join 'em!
If you can´t lick them , peg them! (That´s Hillarys catch phrase for 2016 BTW). Just ask Muammar.
Going as planned.
Those DURDY RASZCALS ! out smarded us again ! sly like a fox.... wells wadd are ya gunna do
well, off to the cabbage patch to pick some turnips ... pick pick pick
That is why all world fear USA - too stupid, too many weapons...
If the USA falls, it will be the fault of CIA, NSA and Obama administration which could not fend off a terrorism attack on US soil regardless of their claims.
Meanwhile the US taxpayer and taxpayers of its allies pay for their stupid games which cost innocents lives and deprives them of liberty and justice.
Putin and the Russians are looking better all the time. Why? Putin is calling a spade a spade.
Obama calls a spade a tulip and tries desperately for everyone to believe him.
What a sad show this is turning out to be.
On the other hand, we are starting to see how this fiasco really works and the level of incompetence and ignorance which is determining the future lives of so many of us.
Let them play their stupid games, I am not a part of it.
Obama had the right policy which was "Let Iran proxy (Syria / Iraq) fight with Saudi proxy (ISIS) while we eat popcorn and pontificate over a few beheaded journalists." Unforunately McCain and the repukes just couldn't leave well-enough alone and pushed him until he had to shut them up. His numbers actually jumped when he said we were going to attack ISIS. It's sad to watch him flail. He knows there is no victory to be had, which is why he let ultimatums pass, and announced "We have no strategy in Syria". The momentary honesty was nice. Now he's back to throwing money and bombs at the problem. That worked so well the last 12 years.
Wrong again assclown. Your bloody bitch hero Hillary Clinton is responsible for the entire mess that is the middle east policy now. Remember her war in Libya? That blood was not enuf to sate her, so she went after Syrian too. Mccain is a senile side show and a progressive drone.
Hillary sends money to islamic murderers to kill people:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/09/28/170069/clinton-offers-45-million-t...
Hillary covers up money sent to islamic murderers to kill people:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/hillary-panetta-misleading-about-arms-to-rebels/
Shake and Bake man, the pile of corpse's resulting from murdering progressive policy grows ever larger and obama helped quite a bit.
Grimaldus
Cherrypicker, The terrorists are either patsys like the 911 bunch or financed by the "Secret Team". One of the best books ever written on the CIA:
The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Secret_Team.html?id=eWUEYfS-XVAC
Remember what Oswald said: "I'm just the patsy."
Ah, the old German "Ohne Mich" T-shirt
Somebody please impeach the moron at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
This is an exact replica of the situation in Nam; where the Viet Cong got most of their weapons abandoned by the South Vietnam army; after the Tet counter offensive began in March 1968.
When the US military finds out that selling or "giving" guns to "kept" surrogates, whether it be in Afghan, in Nam or in Syrac, always feeds the other side... 'Cos the US machine is only interested in repression FOR economic mayhem purposes, not for creating a stable nation (that would be counter productive to their economic aims of skimming the neo-colonies).
'Cos the other side is closer to the people. Simple as that. Predatory armies will always be despised everywhere.
Having said that, the enemy today in Syrac; the ISIS/Al-Qaeda; is closer in their perverted ideology to Khmer Rouge than to Viet Cong, who were more disciplined with innocent civil populations, though cruel in combat or in eliminating "collaborators".
good speech
@falak
"This is an exact replica of the situation in Nam; where the Viet Cong got most of their weapons abandoned by the South Vietnam army; after the Tet counter offensive began in March 1968."
There wasn't enuf of the Viet Cong left to pick up a Hersey bar after Tet dude, they were wiped out as a military force. Absolutely crushed. Took a regular NVA invasion after the Americans left to bring down South Vietnam.
It's not the US Military selling or giving guns either. It is Hilary Clinton and Barak Obama.
Progressives, treasonous, law breaking bloody progressives are always sitting on the tallest throne of corpses.
Grimaldus
"After the americans left?" Nope...
The Viet Cong lost half their forces during TET. But even then, AS LOCALS, they provided key liaison work for the Regulars from North, all the way up to 1975 Saigon collapse and inspite of CIA's operation Phoenix where the murder squads reduced further their cadres.
Nam cost the local soldier plus civilian collateral 20-40 times more than the US army.
Approx. 2 million died one way or another because of unwarranted US false flag hubris.
We are seeing that repeat in Syrac today, as a continuation of Iraq 1; aka 1991, when US made it clear it controlled Sunni Islam's spear head (against joint enemy Iran)--whence the virulent Sunni Al Qaeda backlash at permanent GI presence in Saud kingdom.
And, Lastly, GWB who masterminded this subsequent 2003 mess and hubristic criminality-- to take out now-renegade Saddam to please his Saud friends--, like Johnson/Nixon before in Nam, was no progressive.
Agreed, the urge to support US hegemony is a Red/Blue joint effort since 1949 when CIA became its covert spear head in cold war ramp up.
After all, its all about Oil and GUNS, US supremacy in $ terms, and that has the whole political class behind it.
The MIC/OIL/NSA conglomerate feeds the WS asset and greenback empire.
I invite you to read the memoirs of the North Vietnamese General Giap. (You must be getting your history from an American pothead hippie!)
The Viet Cong were sacrificed by the North Vietnamese Command in Tet 1968. The uprising was defeated in less than 24 hours, while the mopping up took about a week longer to complete.
The purpose of the Tet was to tie down U.S. and ARVN forces into defensive battles for the populated cities near the coast while the NVA could complete the encirclement and destruction of the Marines at Khe Sanh, thereby creating an American Dien Bien Phu. Secondly, the NVA wanted to take and hold Hue, which was the historical -pre colonial- capital of the Annamite Kingdom. It took a combined ARVN + 101st divisions almost a month to take out the resistance in Hue. Once hue was cleared, the 101st was able to open a corridor to Khe Sanh. Meanwhile the Marines -largely through defensive artillery fire- inflicted over 20,000 casualties on the NVA. The Marines on their part also suffered thousands of casualties.
The Marxist Jews, who controlled our TV networks and the largest newspapers in our country, plus the Anti-war movement among the young and stupid in our country (whose leadership was also largely but not completely Jewish), saved North Vietnam's bacon and propagandized a Commie defeat into a victory. So wrote General Giap many years later.
It also broke a dispirited LBJ's resolve to run for re-election. LBJ had already been back-stabbed and had his balls crushed by the Jews in the wake of the Six-Day War. He couldn't fight it. So he quit.
I have no quarrel with the rest of your comment. The string-pullers, inside and behind the facade of the US Government, want to control -not necessarily occupy- all national economies and governments for the purpose of directing the flow of wealth and power through their hands. The United States is merely the host country for the majority of these parasites. Their presence is evident in most of the G-20 countries of the world.
"Nationalism" is the enemy of these string-pullers. Globalism is the secular ideology used to rationalize the disintegration of nations and the condensation of power into the hands of people with no emotional connection to the peoples and lands that are drawn into this New World Order.
Before the US efforts in Vietnam were betrayed, my country had been very successful in restoring economic and political stability in the countries it occupied: South Korea, Philippines, Japan, Taiwan and Western Europe all come to mind.
But US policies in Latin America Africa and the Middle East were clearly opposed to self-rule and self-determination. Your condemnation of American policies in these areas is warranted. I want to make the point that these areas of the world accounted for almost all of the "Third World" and the "Non-Aligned Nations", where the Cold War was being played out in proxy for almost 50 years.
What has been going on in Africa and Asia since the Clinton presidency is most clearly understood as a war against nationalism. In this area that amounts to a war against Islamic nationalism, or simply Islam. The string-pullers in America don't want nationalism anywhere; but they are particularly worried about nationalism in Islamic countries. The Jews have committed an incredible wrong against the Palestinians, who are largely Moslem, and they have taken control of the Al Aqsa Mosque and Jerusalem along with it. The Jews cannot hold onto their version of a "Crusader Kingdom" without the power of the United States at their disposal. And they are committed to use this power to keep Islamic countries in a state of compliance or otherwise in chaos.
Bola, Lo Lo Lo Lo Obola...
Is Obomber the worst president ever?
Is Obomber the worst puppet ever?
fixed for you
Is Obomber the worst president ever?
Yes, until the next one.
This is C-Cubed... Cheney's Cosmic Clusterfuck...Dickie was a $2 hooker who fashioned himself the world's foremost supermodel...
since no one could be this stupid it must be
intentional. very simple, now, the only conclusion
is that mental illness has become the norm in the halls
of influence. again, nothing new. the money system is
obviously the product of mental deficiency yet people
adhere to it for survival, turning themselves into
dogs for war. homostupidest, not sapiens.
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treason looks like this i guess? but no one is convicted
of treason when they are just trying to make a buck
promoting weapons production, demand and distribution.
the term fast and furious comes to mind. also the terms
idiots and wankers, and assorted others. these people are
not fit to sweep your streets yet you crane your necks to
get a glimpse of them and to listen to their every bold
faced lie.
If we run out of Turbanheads to hand US made weapons to, we could always start shipping arms to the Syrian Army.
We can't get them in the Baltics (have to buy them from the MIC at FULL price) but O gives them (along with Germany out of their stocks) and they just surrender them. 150K 150K 150K 150K Ka Ching Ka Ching Ka Ching just piss it away. Wonder if Russia will sell us some of those good Kornet anti-tank systems.
Myself I am partial to the Iskander system. Ship-to-shore or shore-to ship or ground-to ground with a long,long reach. Cruise tech with a final speed of 3 Mach that makes for a hard target to hit. Variable payloads and a not to dinky warhead.
Obama administration gun running again.
So. ISIS got all the weapons from their Islamic terrorist allies. Just as predicted. Because you know, one group of Islamic nutjobs, with AK47s, attacking their own government, is easily seperated form another group. It is not like they are all the same at all. There are moderate Islamic nutjobs, who murder government officals, which are okay to arm, and assume they will not join up with the other Islamic nutjobs.
I suppose it is beyond the intellectual capacity of the so-called Press Corps to press Obama on what these "moderate" rebels stand for. They just use the word and we are all supposed to swallow that moderate, whatever the hell it means, it "good". One can hardly blame the authorities for pulling this shit since the population is so brain-dead.
Yep, this isnt linked to the driving down of oil prices by Saudi Arabia, or the regular flexing of Putins military, or the ongoing nuclear negotiations with Iran, or the desperation of Qatar gas to Europe.
Syria will be the war to end all wars.
The Obama foreign policy strategy of making America appear weaker if not in reality is right on schedule. I would not want to be in Baghdad.
when they say "moderates" does that mean the
designated party is cognizant of their circumstance
to the degree that they would gladly make a deal
whereby they receive money for the hardwares they
have received rather than having to actually use
the hardwares and get wasted in the act.
moderates, they are reasoning types, correct?
Could be on to something there. The alleged moderates are the real stooges of the CIA/Western Intelligence like that Adnan Chalabi character back in Bush Iraq. They are set-up to assume power when Assad is removed by "international pressure". Exactly as you posted, they are more a facade. Their "fighters" are lightweight compared to true believers in ISIS. The plan just didn't come together as Obama and his cohorts figured. Same in Ukraine. Same in Libya. Same in Iraq. On the other hand, never-ending chaos can be useful to them as well.
chaos is the means or mechanism to the future goal
which is control and dominance. the moderates are
perceived to be the burgeoning flock where will be found
the most talented backstabbing, politically savvy, agents
and pawns of global finance. if someone can survive
that environment and make it, they can make it anywhere.
something like that. that is why the politicians in
d.c. etc. look to the "moderates". they know they will
double deal and back stab, that is what is desired of them,
to develop and perfect that skill. they are rewarded for it
and be welcomed into the club of "the ends justify
the means".
i know, it doesn't work. when you get to the end you
realize you have nothing of value left, it was all
traded away. imho
the moderates represent people who don't believe or understand
anything other than political survival, just like we have
in the west today.
June 10, 1963 - John F. Kennedy's Commencement Address at American University, Washington D.C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlJQJUUqR4
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02 NOVEMBER 2014
Raids On the Unspeakable
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2014/11/raids-on-unspeakable.html
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"...Those who are at present so eager to be reconciled with the world at any price must take care not to be reconciled with it under this particular aspect: as the nest of The Unspeakable. This is what too few are willing to see….
You are not big enough to accuse the whole age effectively, but let us say you are in dissent. You are in no position to issue commands, but you can speak words of hope. Shall this be the substance of your message? Be human in this most inhuman of ages; guard the image of man for it is the image of God. You agree? Good. Then go with my blessing. But I warn you, do not expect to make many friends. As for the Unspeakable—his implacable presence will not be disturbed by a little fellow like you!
Thomas Merton, Raids on the Unspeakable" jca
Nice description. That's exactly who these characters are.
Funny how they want to behead/kill all the infidels but they need the infidel's stupidity and weaponry to fight their wars.
They denied beheading the westerners over the weekend.
Strangely it didn't make it into MSM.
Yep you're right it's a giant hole in the plot almost as big as when the 70 virgins go on the rag..
do nothing stupid or do nothing but stupid,
that is the question, in the economy too?
Screw that whole Iraq / Syria thing.....
When is our tee time again?
Tell Rohm to bring his wallet.
Damn, I was feeling so good about these moderate jihadists.
Does anybody know exactly which part of Syria is still controlled by the Assad government? I don't hear much about or from them anymore. Is it basically just Damascus?
I wonder what the professional liars at the Institute for the Study of War will have to say about this...
Hmm... I'm trying to work up a list of Putin's mistakes in the middle east, but I seem to be having a problem remembering any...