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Spain's Newest Political Party "We Can" Surges Ahead Of Incumbents
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
I thought one of the principles of democracy is listening to people and allowing them to give their opinions. If people can’t express their opinions, then it’s not a democracy of great quality.
– Artur Mas, President of Catalonia
We all know that Spain has had very rough go as of late. From 50% youth unemployment, to American financial oligarchs Goldman Sachs and Blackstone entering the nation’s depressed real estate market, it seems Spaniards simply can’t get a break.
As is always the case, at some point all populations snap under the relentless weight of fraud and corruption and demand an end to the status quo. It appears that moment may be near for the Spanish population, as evidenced by the incredible rise of the brand new political party “Podemos,” which translates into “We Can.”
The party was formed earlier this year, and is now leading the polls against both establishment political parties, the Socialists and the People’s Party, which have run the country for the past 32 years. The following graphic perfectly demonstrates the incredible suddenness of its rise:
More from Bloomberg:
Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) –- Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy is being challenged on a second front as support for the anti-establishment Podemos party surges before an informal ballot on Catalonian independence.
Podemos was formed less than a year ago to channel Spaniards’ disaffection with Rajoy’s People’s Party and the opposition Socialists, who between them have run the country for the past 32 years.
With corruption allegations again swirling around the PP, that discontent may be reaching tipping point: a poll for El Pais newspaper yesterday showed Podemos doubled its support in a month to a record 28 percent. In doing so, it’s overtaken both main parties, while challenging European attempts to restore political stability after years of debt crisis.
Podemos grew out of the “indignados” movement that saw thousands of Spanish set up camp in Madrid’s Puerta del Sol in 2011 as unemployment soared above 20 percent, peaking at more than 26 percent the following year.
Unfortunately, some of its policies seem destined to further run the Spanish economy into the ground…
With youth unemployment stuck above 50 percent, the group is calling for a program of public investment to create jobs. It also wants to cap the working week at 35 hours and lower the retirement age to 60 to redistribute job opportunities. The group proposes prohibiting profitable companies from firing workers and imposing a maximum wage.
Its program demands an audit of Spain’s public debt to assess what part of it is “illegitimate” and advocates giving euro area governments control over the European Central Bank.
I certainly can’t blame them for questioning the debt.
While the next scheduled national elections that would allow voters to pass judgment on Podemos aren’t due until late 2015, Rajoy faces a more immediate electoral threat in Catalonia on Nov. 9. That’s when nationalists plan to defy his government and the Constitutional Court to hold a volunteer-run ballot on independence.
Separately, the prime minister apologized last week for an “accumulation of scandals” after evidence showed party officials were taking kickbacks to hand out 250 million euros of public contracts while he was administering the harshest budget cuts in Spain’s democratic history.
“Let’s not give the impression, because that is not the reality, of a country immersed in corruption — it’s not true,” Rajoy told parliament in Madrid on Oct. 29. “Politics is a very noble activity, even with errors and mistakes.”
It appears Rajoy is prepping himself for his next career as a comedian.
On a more serious note, Americans need to understand that Spain is merely a few years ahead of us. The question isn’t whether the status quo will be overthrown, the question is what will replace it. Something better, or something worse? Our key mission must be to ensure we get a better system after this one blows up, not something even worse.
Watch Spain closely in the months ahead. It will be another canary in the coal mine for the entire Western world.
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"We can" what exactly? Execute treasonous fucking bankers and politicians?
Try to stay positive folks.
We can come up with more government programs to create more fake jobs and create more debt. Then pass laws to elevate the minimum wage to $100K per year so they can all retire at 50.
Yeah, Italians are getting fiesty, too.
A week or so ago, the Italian leader Renzi was dinged by the unelected Euro idiots for not meeting all their demands. Renzi, a fairly young and somewhat naive seeming guy, shot back with a threat to reveal how much the Euro guys are spending on their palaces. He even said he was going to have fun doing it. Kind of humorous even if it doesn't mean much in the end.
When some party is crazy enough to call itself the "debt cancellation party", then you know you're dealing with a different breed.
Until then, it's still just a bunch of socalist seagulls fighting over the same pizza crust on the boardwalk.
"audit of Spain’s public debt to assess what part of it is “illegitimate” and advocates giving euro area governments control over the European Central Bank."
Getting closer.
we can kick the can.
nearly pallindrome: can kick can
Can Can.
kickin' s*it higher.
Can doo.
So these idiots want to save the Spanish economy by becoming more French?
Awesome.
French kissin' is well established.
Spanish are now developing their own kiss-up techniques.
This "We Can" stuff is a clear ripoff of Obama's "Yes We Can" before the big money convinced him that "We Can't" or "Really Don't Want To"...
"before the big money convinced him"
Give me a break, is that big money named Soros?
As far as I'm concerned, any debt "owed" to a western bank is illegitimate - just an odious ledger entry representing a slice of the Ponzi.
Any debt owed "by", not "to" the western banks, is owed by the western sheeple to be paid back in 6 generations.
Sort of like auditing our Fed?
you are getting fiesty, too
"A week or so ago, the Italian leader Renzi was dinged by the unelected Euro idiots for not meeting all their demands"
first, Renzi might be young, but naive? Don't think so
second, with "unelected Euro idiots" you probably mean the EU Commission. correct, they are appointed and confirmed, not elected. Appointed by the EU Council, i.e. the summit of the heads of government of the EU countries and confirmed by the (elected) EU parliament
guess what? it's the same as Renzi, who is part of the EU Council that appointed this very EU commission
then Renzi was appointed by the President of the Italian Republic and confirmed by the (elected) Italian Parliament
Prime Minister Renzi was never elected to anything besides once mayor of Florence. You don't need to be elected to head or be part of the executive government, in Europe, you "just" need to have a majority of the elected parliament behind you
meanwhile this "dinging" was according to a treaty to which the Italian Republic is a signatory
what is this treaty about? oh, well, it's about not making debts. see European_Fiscal_Compact
Atlas Shrugged coming soon to a developed nation near you!
...the group is calling for a program of public investment to create jobs. It also wants to cap the working week at 35 hours and lower the retirement age to 60 to redistribute job opportunities. The group proposes prohibiting profitable companies from firing workers and imposing a maximum wage.
This should fix everything!
France already has this.
Their economy is going into the shitter so Spain wants to follow suit
Sounds too much like "Hope and Change" for my comfort
"Hope and Change"
Change the terrorists you currently support and Hope they don't attack us with the shiny new weapons we just gave them...
as long as it's not yes, we can, let 'em have their fun.
I know what you mean. They were going to call it "Hope and Change" but that was already taken lol
Lol, first Scotland was going to go independent, now Spain is going to be saved?
Theatre (for those across the pond) to keep you in the system, that is all this is.
If you think this works, ask the Tea Party folks over here who just held their nose and voted Republican.
pods
"Tip my hat to the new constitution.
Take a bow for the new revolution..."
"We can" smells of Obama-like bullshit. That's the best they could come up with?
If pulling out of the EU isn't part of their program, they are worse than useless.
Dope and chains!
You nailed it! The Pull-Out party.
In the land of the free, they will never allow a new party to come up. Serfs have to be satisfied with the two wings of the the same party. Serfs are happier with the illusion of choice.
Gore Vidal: "Our Only Political Party Has Two Right Wings, One Called Republican, The Other Democrat"That's why it can't fly.
Yes, we have two Right wings, not two Left ones. You need a mirror in this world to read everything backwards, then it truly makes sense.
"... is calling for a program of public investment to create jobs. It also wants to cap the working week at 35 hours and lower the retirement age to 60 to redistribute job opportunities. The group proposes prohibiting profitable companies from firing workers and imposing a maximum wage."
These morons just don't learn!!!!!
Yeah, that's the ticket, more legislated wealth and jobs!
Get it through your fuck.ng thick heads: somebody has to work!!!
Okay, that's a good start with the nursery rhymes. Now do they have a half breed communist/homosexual/muslim (these are hard to come by and they stopped making them at the Comintern around 71')?
Further is a large portion of the Spanish electorate that are TV addled morons who think Afro Communism and Corporatism are the same thing?
It will be worse...the new party will promise everything...and economics does not work like that...pain is due..but the Spaniards cant handle the pain...they need to cut government largese..and that will never happen...
In the Spanish case, and ours too...afraid the pain will come from above like a lightning bolt out of the blue.
the pain will arrive from far far above quickly and without warning.
Shazam !
The first thing I thought of when I read the headline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI
That video was uploaded before Obola's first victory. Someone should find those mindless robots and ask how they feel six years later. If they still get all warm and fuzzy about him I'll switch to supporting post-birth abortions - up to 15 years or so.
Thier version of Hope and Change....should keep the crowd at bay for 4 years and then they can change the slogan to forward....where have i seen this before?? oh well, i'm sure it will come to me
Podemos are a joke. They like PP, and PSOE, are in complete denial about the over-valued Euro for Spain.
The problem is inequality. There is plenty of wealth around, the world is producing more than ever before. Eventually though if people don't see the system rewarding them, then they will bring the system down. Oligarchs beware.
Plenty of wealth? More like plenty of debt. If you confiscate all of the assets of the people on the Forbes 400 list, that might be enough to pay the deficit for one year.
Where did I hear a "we can" slogan used by a politician?
I suppose "We Can" sounds a lot better to Spaniards than "We're just going to give everything to the bankers and political class until everyone else is homeless and starving"
It worked here, why change?
They broke the dip stick and its flyin' out everywhere.
Take cover and bar the doors !
My suggestion for a new American party name "We're In The Can".
who needs a good laugh regarding our political incumbants (i laughed so hard at this one, i almost shat myself):
White House Seeks to Distance Obama From Losing Democrats - Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-04/white-house-seeks-to-distance-obama-from-losing-democrats.html
Podemos: "Yes, we can!"
Bond market: "No, you can't!"
"Yes we can". Mmm. Where have I heard that before?
no you can't
actually...
it is.....
yes, we can't
:^]
no you can't
canny.
Controlled opposition?
Indeed. Any REAL opposition and anti-establishment party would talk about the ponzi system the monetary system is. It would talk about souvereignity. It would talk about restoring the primacy of politics over the primacy of the banks. It would discuss the severe illness and disintegration of the Spanish society. It would talk about restoring virtues.
This is obviously a spin-doctored pseudo opposition to channel disaffection. A well working concept.
Spaniards channelling.
Next it will be cliffing.
Last diving.
Banking on it.
Backed by exactly which billionaires, I wonder?
Podemos, the rainbows and unicorns party.
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The Indiana militia is recruiting.
They offer benefits?
"Our key mission must be to ensure we get a better system after this one blows up, not something even worse."
this obviously implies not participating in, and abandoning the current fake fucking ass corrupted participatory democratic political paradigm...
RIGHT!!!!!!!
there are about 1000 "canaries in the coal mine" since SPX added 1000 points, coincidence?
"We Can" kill you too
Spain only rose to super power in the 16th century because they were professional sailor thieves with big warships.
Just like every Empire before them and since.
Ours included.
Death's Head: Piracy, Plunder and Foreign PolicyPIRATES.... and then their english counterparts.... defeated them.... and they were
elevated to the level of..... knights.... i.e. SIR walter raleigh (and others)
no difference today where ekonomists get top government roles.....
just take a look at the world wide alumni list of the LSE (london school of ekonomics)
history keeps on repeating because the populi are morons....
p.s. fuck the kommies (podemos) --> which goes to prove the idiocy of the masses.... another example...
2nd. election of obozo
And then they lost all that wealth stolen from the Inca, Aztec and Mayas because they wasted all that money on religious wars and building huge castles and cathedrals. They had no artisan class that could make things so they had to buy all that stuff from countries they were at war with (at a high price of course). Corruption was widespread and the ruling classes whether nobility or clergy pillaged the state coffers. It was not much better in the colonies that eventually split from Spain.
Pablo Iglesias, head of Podemos, is an avowed communist and the main political movement behind this party is "Izquierda Anticapitalista". They are moderating their public speech lately after the last polls and it's taking effect.
Corruption cases in Spain are raising at unprecedented levels (52 inputed, 250·106€ last week, the same previous week and the same previous week). Many people would vote Podemos only to punish this.
Will it work? For sure not. It's just BS. On the other hand, elections won't take place until december 2015 (at least that's the plan) and other non-hidden-communist alternatives to PP or PSOE (they will NEVER get 51% of chamber together in 2015) could flourish. Most here wish so.
Keep your spanish bonds (90% of spanish social security) and stay calm.
Si se pierde!
Sal si puedes....
It's my experience of people that they can't learn from history, being so much smarter these days and therefore they have to experience the pain personally,
Gubermint skools work wonders, it seems.
"the group is calling for a program of public investment to create jobs. It also wants to cap the working week at 35 hours and lower the retirement age to 60 to redistribute job opportunities. The group proposes prohibiting profitable companies from firing workers and imposing a maximum wage"
Hey - "We Can" Party this is called Socialism (to one degree or another) very similar to "Yes, we can" over here in the USSA. Didn't work out to well;won't help your problems.
Morons.
again.....
the populi are a bunch of idiots.... you described the free $hit army, (who elected obozo)
so.... to the free $hit army..... how are you enjoying yer free phones, and free everything....
as stated...
FUCK ALL KOMMIES
Everything will be fixed after today's election. Don't be so cynical.
"Got nowhere trying to talk to Podemos. Their economic policy is incoherent since it requires mon pol sovereignty
Might add: Podemos most incompetent body I've dealt with as journalist for some time."
- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (on Twitter), November 2
By "we" we mean "you" and by "can" we mean "will", or else...
Adelante Espagnoviet!!!
Del Trabajo Liberar!
The US should pass a law immediately that no one receiving government assistance, including SS and Medicare, should be permitted to vote. That would start the ball rolling!
Why, next you'll expect them to read (English no less) and own assets... you sir are a bigot of the Anuran order.
So you want welfare just for the people you want to receive welfare which is different than welfare for the people you hate. You are a racist and a hypocrite.
You probably want them to be citizens as well, or at least hold green cards, before they sally forth to the polls... how provincial.
You are an idiot. Ribbit.
Better yet, the US should pass a law immediately that no one holding ANY government office, or any of their close relatives, may EVER work outside of their home again. This might give the power the American voters lost long ago back to the voters.
Pfff come on, how would someone like Keith Alexander be able to afford to retire? He only has a four-star general's pension. The only way he can shake down Wall St. for spending money is with a post-gig private sector sham like IronNet. And where would Lockheed find new brass if they couldn't tap burnt out DoD acquisitions officers?
SS & Medicare aren't public assistance, most seniors paying for Medicare supplements are actually subsidizing the really unhealthy elderly poor and the state is actually turning a profit while claiming a loss.
'Comedite Pinguia' Party - Latin for 'eat the rich!'
Time for a brave politician to say:
"Over half of our young people are unemployed. We're going to abolish the minimum wage until unemployment falls below 5%.
Reminds me of 1992 in the U.S. - Ross Perot and his party were leading both Bush and Clinton in the polls. The American electorate was about to prove to the Establishment that they were as mad as hell and were going to make both the Democratic and Republican candidates losers. Then Perot wimped out because he claimed that his family members were getting death threats and he dropped out of the race. He reentered the race a couple of months later, but Americans hate waffling wimps and Perot only got 20% of the popular vote and 0% of the electoral vote in the election. Clinton won but he was still a minority President because he only garnered 43% of the popular vote.
I sincerely hope that the Spaniards have better luck with their attempt to break out of their elites' stranglehold than we did - I don't think they'll ever get another chance..
Recycled Obama slogans never end well.
As far as the sophistication of corruption is concerned no country is ahead of the US.
Kickbacks, how gauche.
Fuck "We" collectivist shit. Nobody gives a damn about the smallest minority, the "I." Everyone can do whatever they want so long as they don't automatically include any or everyone else.
This reminds of the Blond Joke:
"How can I be overdrawn? I still have checks!"
If they add a Yes in front of it and then repeat it backwards they too can thank satan just like Barry O
"A Leftist government, in a fully “neoliberalized” Europe which will end to serve solely plutocrats' interests, will be like a "Don Quixote" chasing windmills. Germany's entrance to the austerity and cuts, as well as the suppression of the anti-austerity front, will fully isolate such a government unless we see a fast, general rise of the Left and the anti-neoliberal forces in Europe, that could change the outcome of the class-war."
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/10/plutocrats-tighten-siege-arou...
Spain* is a tax region of the EU, not an actual nation or state or sovereign people, what they* do on Nov 9 is irrelevant to their EU liabilities which are unlimited and rights which are zilch.
Spain no longer exists, its like Yugoslavia a former nation.
Oh God. We have years to go.
Bag the Spaniards if you want,but it was a Spanish judge who got the Interpol arrest warrant going for Gen. Pinochet.
Also,going way back,all the western Allies had strict censorship of newspapers (World War 1),so the ONLY free press to report the Influenza epidemic was the Spanish press.This draconian censorship probably got a few people killed by not taking precautions in public.
Compare that to the Ebola epidemic now starting.
"Watch Spain closely" - I still recall the McCain quote during the election debates couple of years back when he said "Watch Ukraine closely"... the guy surely knew what he was talking about...