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Wed, 11/05/2014 - 16:52 | 5416350 ShorTed
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Is that a non-recourse diploma?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:00 | 5416408 1000yrdstare
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Liberal arts degree...

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:02 | 5416416 kaiserhoff
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Women's studies.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:24 | 5416583 PGR88
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Womyns's studies

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:34 | 5416654 bob_stl
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Sorry it didn't work out for you. Here's a trophy.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:58 | 5416759 gdiamond22
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+1000

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:03 | 5417342 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Zero's.

It's toon time bitchez!

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:08 | 5417605 ebear
Thu, 11/06/2014 - 02:00 | 5418499 OW My Balls
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Sorry ~ the banksters already levered up that Student Debt figure 100x and blew half of it in the same evening on hookers & blow & the other half on some overnight naked paper silver shorts.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 09:28 | 5419018 tc06rtw
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He could probably  SELL IT  to someone . . .

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:37 | 5416664 max2205
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Well NONE OF THEM WORK....

YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK.....SOMETHING 40 and under mostlly
Never figured out.

Good luck lazy asses

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:05 | 5417061 Charles Nelson ...
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Please Max, ALL CAPS to hammer home your POINT next time

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 09:36 | 5419045 tc06rtw
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Charles Nelson ...

           Reilly ?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 07:24 | 5417537 jcaz
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"....mostlly Never figured out.".......

Umm,  English major?    No wait-  got it-  Poly Sci.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:41 | 5417726 The Fonz...befo...
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50 years ago largest employer in America was GM where workers were making equivalent to $50 dollars and hour in today's prices...

Today the largest employer in the US is Walmart and the avg wage is 9 dollars an hour....

That's all you need to know about what's wrong withAmerica today....you can't make shit grow in the desert no matter how early you wake up everyday to work the fields....it's just not happening

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:17 | 5417906 yrbmegr
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No, you need to know more.  Like what caused the change you cite.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:32 | 5417971 Real Estate Geek
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I'd like RICO violations for $500, Alex.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:53 | 5418488 MsCreant
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"Answer... Daily Double." 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:36 | 5417988 4 wheel drift
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50 years ago largest employer in America was GM where workers were making equivalent to $50 dollars and hour in today's prices...

Today the largest employer in the US is Walmart and the avg wage is 9 dollars an hour....

not quite.....

GM was (is) a union driven co. .... and we all know what happened to THAT... 

walmart is a company that has taken advantage of the CONSEQUENCES of the policies that most politicians, (both demons and repugnicans) have pursued....  (all basically oligarchy favored *at best* and kommie favored at worst)...  meaning... driven REAL manufacturing OUT of this country....

btw...  walmart is not the best example for a company.....   APPLE would be more appropriate....

 

so...   can you really blame walmart.... ?  i doubt it....

 

so once again....    don't blame the corporations for the ills that the country is going through....

 

furthermore.....

That's all you need to know about what's wrong withAmerica today....you can't make shit grow in the desert no matter how early you wake up everyday to work the fields....it's just not happening

not quite either..... [and THIS is something i know a little about]....

the desert can actually be VERY productive...   but it is true...  it NEEDS WATER...  and something else... knowledge to tell you WHAT to grow in the desert....    i'll give you an example....   grapes + GDD or (growing degree days, i.e. days in which temperature is above 50 degrees) --> for the populi...  SUNSHINE result...    = WINE.

whether you like it or not....  making wine is manufacturing..  the common denominator is....   VALUE CREATION.... and not only that...  wine is highly appreciated, hence there is world wide demand for it...

so i disagree on your comparison...  it is not the proper one...  but there is one element that we may agree on...   to keep this country growing and improving...  you need the proper CONDITIONS and ELEMENTS to make it happen...

iow.....

 

1.- you do not need unions (outdated, corrupted, innefficient)

2.- you do need proper tax policy...  (imagine this is the sunshine you need to make good wine)

3.- you need to get rid of excessive and irrational regulation....  (this is the WATER you need to make things grow in the desert).

4.- yes, you DO need to get up early and do actual WORK...  (vineyards are a LOT of work -but man... the result of it will make you happy)

5.- and you need to restrain irrational liability exposure (squeal trial attorneys pigs) to eliminate irational risks for the HARD work PRODUCERS EXECUTE

now....    who the fuck wants to do REAL WORK when you will be TAXED (to death), REGULATED (to death), and on top of ALL THAT.....   be exposed to irrational risk, which will be "farmed" by some trial attorney buzzard...  just waiting for some over-protected-spoiled bastard claiming his ego was hurt by ________ (fill in the blank) reason.....

 

you solve those problems... and the REAL AMERICA will be back in good shape ready to ...   PRODUCE WEALTH....

 

far above than any other place on earth....

 

but you need to get rid of the kommies and fake victims first....

 

just saying.......

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 23:07 | 5418108 Abrick
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6. A reliable storage method to get you through the inevitable lean years. Without that we're all peasants eventually.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 00:59 | 5418407 disabledvet
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#7. "I shot the guy and took all his shit. Now its mine.

I did share with my buddies who were in on it.  Plus I was working for the government at the time."

My name is Putin and I deeply regret my actions.

Plus they make me look bad which I hate even more.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:00 | 5418404 bpj
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"- and you need to restrain irrational liability exposure (squeal trial attorneys pigs) to eliminate irational risks for the HARD work PRODUCERS EXECUTE"

 

It wasn't the FDA (they actually approved it) but the plaintiff bar that stopped the death march of Vioxx. The founding fathers had it right, everyone has the right to have their grievance redressed in a court of law.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:43 | 5417744 allgoodmen
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It's not what you know it's who you know.

College is for making connections. The quality of connections is the difference between state universities and Ivy League, the "education" is no different.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:57 | 5418492 OW My Balls
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It's not what you know it's who you BLOW

 

So does that mean if I get in a nice frat at Harvard or Princeton, I have a better chance at the Wall St hookers & blow lifestyle? Not that I'd want that, but just in case I change my mind.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:40 | 5416619 Kirk2NCC1701
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Labial Arts degree. My minor, and useful too, 'come' to find out.

Happily I also had the foresight to major in the Natural Sciences, to offset the fickle uncertainties of the Labial Minor.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:02 | 5417050 Sokhmate
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I had the foreskin to offset the fickle uncertainties of labial minor. No denying though, labia is fun

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 00:31 | 5418345 forexskin
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uh, ya missed the x

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:42 | 5417249 WarPony
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Pubic school is where I started and ended up having to have a license for my tounge - a cunning linguist.  Worth every scent.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:49 | 5417763 MontgomeryScott
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OCH! are ye DAFT, man?

'Labial Minor' was the fourth planet in the Klittorus Sector! Don't ya remember, laddie? Perhaps you forgot it was because she was too busy taking the trip around Uranus...

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:10 | 5417865 delacroix
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I'm gettin old and slow

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 09:20 | 5418991 shovelhead
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Clam course?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:33 | 5416639 Syrin
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How do you get a women's studies major off your porch?

 

Pay her for the pizza

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:26 | 5418454 brady
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Oh, I was going to say sign her up for Dollar Shave Club.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:38 | 5416950 yield_curver
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This comment was placed out of sequence, then I couldn't delete it. Oh, well.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:24 | 5418453 brady
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Most body hair per capita.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:02 | 5416432 localsavage
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But but but....we built hundreds of millions of dollars of new facilities banking on you repaying that loan.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:03 | 5416433 LawsofPhysics
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But I thought "debt doesn't matter", in fact "debt is money"...

 

stupid fucks.

All you need to know about how the real world works can be found in the book animal farm.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:14 | 5416522 saints51
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“I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.”

- Mark Twain

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:34 | 5416641 Syrin
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And 1984

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:37 | 5417463 McCormick No. 9
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Only terrorists quote Orwell.(Sarc) Not required reading at my HS 1979. Catch 22 was. Some schools are better than others. I read 1984 on my own. I remember everything about 1984, not so much Catch 22. I think required reading actually hurts the ability of students to understand what was written. Takes all the fun out of it. Oh, right. THAT is the point of public education. I did learn that there are 28 grams in an ounce...oh right again. NOT taught in the classroom.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:09 | 5418431 quartshort
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Funny, (almost) all of my ounces weigh 31.1g

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 02:40 | 5418562 Sorry_about_Dresden
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Your weighing in the baggy? Baggy weighs 2 grams.

I used to break down an elbow (lb) into qzs in 20 minutes on my triples and would always have an eight left for my personal. I would weigh on the platform to get 28, exactly, seal it up in 2 gram shorty ziplocks. Always weight it in front of my custy if I were at my abode.

My mark up was 100%. $65/qz. It was the 'zona bud, high quality middies, just hang out in coffe shop and wait for phone to ring. The product we bought in was packaged correctly and was never compacted. It took up more room but we filled a niche for heads that wanted a solid sticky indica.

I learned that the middies allowed you to be generous since it was a reasonable price for a great product. We used to bring it in from Mexico through the reservations. When the violence escalated after fast an furious our network went on the dl.

I serviced professionals.....doctors, lawyers, college professors, bands from out of town in the recording studio and I franchised to a few friends that ran in different circles who didn't compete for my clients.

I served a niche market for high profile professionals avoiding exposure. They had much more to lose than I and were very dicreet.

Best job I ever had. You can keep your BC, it is overrated and your buddies will smoke your stash because it is mispriced.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 05:26 | 5418706 JB
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... He was talking about Troy ounces... You know, as in gold and silver...

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:36 | 5416660 waterwitch
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required reading in my freshman HS class (1969).

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:43 | 5416692 PrintemDano
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Mine also, 1977....

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:59 | 5416764 Pareto
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'81

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:02 | 5417047 Big Corked Boots
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1979 for me.

You made me think - having been educated in NY under their vaunted Regents program, is it still required?

Sadly, no. in 1995 the Education Dept published this: http://www.p12.nysed.gov/guides/ela/part1b.pdf and 1984 is listed, but not Animal Farm, which is much clearer even for the, ummm, 'more average' children. Alas, 1984 is listed as fiction.

Update to 2013 and you get this: https://www.engageny.org/resource/text-list-for-p-12-ela (link to Excel file with names) and you get stuff like The Autobiography of Malcom X and Globalization - The Growing Integration of Economies and Societies Around the World by nothing less than the World Bank. That last one is for 14-15 year olds. No Orwell anywhere... can't have those truth leaks, now, can we?

Thank Gawd I don't have any kids. As soon as they learned how to balance a checkbook (in a home-school environment) I'd have them studying von Mises and Hayek.

 

 

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:11 | 5417094 WhackoWarner
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Which is why I am now advocating that someone with energy and smarts.  Starts to preserve this intellectual discussion and info into a place that cannot be "taken down"  Deepweb somewhere we start to document all that is, maybe, going to be re-written, sanitized or erased.

WW3 will rewrite history,  And sanitize intent.  And disguise causes.  The lies will become fact.

 

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:43 | 5417487 John Wilmot
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And I know just how we could do it.

There's this little known technology.

They call it "paper."

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:59 | 5417820 Milestones
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" Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury strangley comes to mind.                Milestones

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 10:37 | 5419310 conscious being
Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:06 | 5417852 cnmcdee
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There is an app for that - it's called httrack  - website crawler and copier.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 02:06 | 5418512 Augustus
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cnmcdee

Thanks for the suggestion on httrack.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:14 | 5417111 ghengis86
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90's - it was on a list of books you could choose to read, in an advanced placent English class. I think Harold and the Purple Crayon was required in regular English class.

Now, I think they require kids to read Dreams of My Father (not the Frank Marshal version). Or maybe The Hungry Captepillar. I'd ask the offspring, but they don't attend government schools and always test 3-5 grade levels above their actual grade when they take the state mandated tests (like most kids in that school).

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 02:05 | 5418510 OW My Balls
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NINETEEN EIGHTY FORE! ~ The Ebonics version

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:41 | 5417251 AGuy
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Same in 2014, Except it's now a training manual, and a lesson to future citizens if they disobey the gov't!

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:38 | 5417475 logicalman
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It was meant to be a warning, not a handbook.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:04 | 5417060 Oldwood
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But it was taught as fiction, never suggesting it should be a warning or lesson for society. They put it in our face and then laughed, telling us it could never happen here! Atlas Shrugged was treated the same and yet the impossible is in now in our face.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:43 | 5417260 WarPony
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'80

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:03 | 5416787 LawsofPhysics
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I'd also argue the point that "it didn't work" can be debated.  Look at all those administrtive costs, just like everything else these days, the people doing the actual work are getting screwed, but things are in fact working great for management.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:05 | 5417058 IrritableBowels
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LAWs-

I saw a video on LiveLeak where Wisconsin SWAT killed a terrier (not pitbull) over a poop-in-the-yard dispute. Sweeeeeeeet.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:10 | 5417871 cnmcdee
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I saw this craze video where a 'Dirty Monkey' bangs a goose,, the comments were the best 'that sweet moment Ebola meets Avian Flu'

Best part of all is I put the link to it  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5d4_1409234565

<hint..>

But my all time perspective favorite is the Saudi Arabian Beauty Goat Pagent : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNH7WU6swGM

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:15 | 5417896 cnmcdee
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This is the only liveleak reference I see for SWAT killing a couple dogs of the Town Mayor's : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7e_1233586993

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:03 | 5418418 bpj
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LL has the shitiest search engine

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 20:36 | 5421943 yield_curver
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Don't make a joke. Name a couple books to read. Don't be a jerk, unless you do it within the same.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:03 | 5416443 TruthInSunshine
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Obama gonna pay his student debt off!*

(And so would McStain-Nancy Graham* if they were bribed enough)

*using taxpayer $

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:43 | 5416685 1000yrdstare
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Santana Moss down vote me?  WTF?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 02:34 | 5418550 LikeyMikey
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uh....   How about this degree that I saw an interview with a degree seeking student...

 

"Transgender Studies Degree".......  WHAT?????

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitch-kellaway/university-of-arizona-transgender-studies_b_3854427.html 

 

http://www.sierracollege.edu/academics/divisions/liberal-arts/lgbts.php

 

Very Practical degree....

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:02 | 5416420 MillionDollarBogus_
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While we are talking about things that don't work, what happened to the story posted here last month, that said Ebola was easily transmitted..??

The writer implied that airline passengers were at risk..

Right...

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:04 | 5416439 chubbar
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Give it a couple of days. The elections are just over so whatever the truth is can finally come out.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:24 | 5416574 All_Your_Base
Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:53 | 5417020 GeezerGeek
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Now we know why the exercise is scheduled:


Contained? NYC Department Of Health Actively Monitoring 357 Individuals For Ebola

Can these two things really be independent?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:06 | 5417074 Oldwood
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I think they are actively monitoring all of us in one way or another. Ebola is but another excuse

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:16 | 5417120 Shaznardickleze...
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Front running. Avoid the trap.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:47 | 5416705 Doubleguns
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The truth serum is not working. Wahsington is still.......well you know.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:06 | 5417064 WhackoWarner
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Chubbar?  ARE you clueless? or just hopeless?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:41 | 5417483 logicalman
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I think it will be more than a couple of days before truth is sighted in anything the government does.

But then, I'm a pessimist. (based on observation)

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:29 | 5416621 AlphaBetaCFA
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Transmission between animals in separated cages has been documented

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html

 

 

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:10 | 5416817 negative rates
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So what, there are a 1000 ways to  be wrong, what's your point?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:02 | 5416776 Kirk2NCC1701
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Personally, I'd include some Fine print as disclaimers.

E.g., A University education at a quality institution is an elite education. It need not and does not come with an Employment Warranty.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:53 | 5417528 RaceToTheBottom
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I recommend a warning like the cigarette warning.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:04 | 5417059 WhackoWarner
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Economics

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:10 | 5417085 JuliaS
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Try refunding a used lottery ticket.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 16:53 | 5416354 manofthenorth
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GOOD LUCK !

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 16:53 | 5416356 docmac324
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So true.

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 16:54 | 5416370 madcows
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everybody goes to college.  but not everybody gets a degree in something worthwhile.  degrees don't guarantee anything.  and that's where the entitled citizens went wrong.  they thought that if they just showed up and went to class that they'd get a wonderful job and make a great salary.  now they're angry at the schools for selling them a load of crap.  It's a tough lesson, buy Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware.  Of course, the colleges aren't wholly exonerated here, they were complicit.  But, the students were rubes.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 16:57 | 5416382 Freddie
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Parents are often bigger rubes than the kids.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:09 | 5416478 Miffed Microbio...
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I think they just can't face the fact a college diploma,except in rare cases, is simply unnecessary or not worth the money. Most parents today 45+ had successful careers based on having a college education. They just don't understand there has been a paradigm shift. I know many who would have been financially in reasonable shape had they not have taken on costly second mortgages to give their children an " education". I have questioned them to their reasoning and mostly it has been " being a good parent means doing whatever you can to help your child." So how does facing bankruptcy and homelessness help them?

I think a lot if this is lack of critical forethought before diving into such massive debt. Something our society seems lacking today on many levels.

Miffed

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:29 | 5416608 dontgoforit
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Like my daddy used to tell me, "Jus' cus' ya' went da' college, don't mean ya' ain't stoopid!"

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:37 | 5416668 centerline
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Miffed - I see this unfold over and over again in my community.  The sheeple feel the rat race accelerating.  They know something is wrong.  And they are scared for thier kids.  The see a binary outcome - poverty or success.  And they see college as the key.  The whole thing is reinforced by the school systems and society itself.  It is truly sick.  Debt monsters preying on the fears of parents and the futures of children.  This "bubble" is the most wicked of all. 

Oh, and the icing on the cake is that the very same system is bloated via the same mechanisms as the housing bubble (unsound lending) which has multitudes of people taking out student loans and using the cash to live on.  In some cases, private colleges just grabbing anyone they can and cramming down debt. 

I could give you real examples of people I know (ones scamming the system from the side of the debtor and creditor).

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:53 | 5417295 WarPony
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Ha - agree! And first day on campus, there was a credit card company waiting for you to sign - ass wipes.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:38 | 5416674 SmackDaddy
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problem is the parents dont know how to be realistic/objective.  everybody thinks their kid is special.  even when the little fucker test in the 40th percentile, there must be someting wrong with the test or the kid "doesnt test well"

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:16 | 5417116 Oldwood
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The kids are indoctrinated to feel compelled to attend college, especially the popular ones, and especially those far away from home. A four year paid vacation from the parents. And the parents are so hung up on the peer pressure of other parents sending their little darling off to school, that they really don't even worry about the practicalities..is it worth it. Don't get me wrong, I do think parents care about their kids but appearance and what everyone else does plays a big role. But of course people are living in debt everywhere to impress their indebted neighbors. Debt is THE way of life now. Stupid ones like me who have insisted on doing without debt as much as possible, have been looked down upon for years as the economic luddites. Is it too late to look smart?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:28 | 5417184 FredFlintstone
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Just keep playing "dumb", you should look like a genius soon.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:57 | 5417316 RyeWhiskey
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Every time anyone starts questioning modern
day fraud ponzi scheme "standards", he gets
immediately tagged as a Luddite.

"don't have Facebook page?" Luddite!
"don't find Twitter useful?" Luddite!

Seems for any rational critically thinking
person, "a Luddite" is the new tag of honor.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:58 | 5417315 zerozulu
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because school teach them American exceptionalism, if you are American you are brilliant.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:51 | 5418051 Oldwood
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I graduated high school in 71 in a college town (progressive environment) and was never taught America was exceptional beyond we were the only country of recognizable history that was able to form a government, a society, from scratch and do so largely with the power of the citizens primary. I have never thought, nor had anyone I know tell me that Americans, as individuals, were better than anyone else. Only that we had a greater opportunity to achieve more than anyone else due to our constitution and abundant natural resources. One other thing that has occured to me that might imply we have something over other countries is that Americans have historically been people who came here to forge their futures, to escape the oppressive governments and predjudices of their home countries. This component of exceptionallism is fading as most Americans are born here now and have lost that initiative, although there may be some holdover genetics still at play. Many Americans have seen those coming from the south as potentially possessing the same drive as our forefathers, but it seems that mulitculturalism has created a divisiveness in our society that limits these people from becoming actual Americans, rather than opportunistic free range herders moving from one green field to the next.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:57 | 5417550 Miffed Microbio...
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Mom, my teacher told me everyone is a special unique snowflake made for greatness in my own unique manifestation to be appreciated by all.

That's just precious. Now get your unique snowflake butt down to the barn and start cleaning corrals.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:24 | 5416719 hobopants
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College would still be affordable and viable if it were not for the ease in which someone can get student aid / loans out there.

When a brain dead monkey can get into a state college on the state's dime and then maintain a 3.0 gpa based off the fact that the professors are hassled for giving anything below a C, does it suprise you that the value of a degree has plummeted accordingly?

College used to be really difficult no matter the major, now it's highschool 2.0.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:23 | 5417161 JuliaS
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I think the best value a student loan offers is teaching one how important it is to live debt free.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:59 | 5417035 DaveA
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During WW2 the US Army developed aptitude tests to sort millions of incoming draftees into officers, technical specialists, cannon fodder, etc. Private industry adopted these tests after the war to great benefit, but in 1971 the Supreme Court banned aptitude tests because blacks have trouble passing them. So now you can't even get a job *interview* without a four-year degree in something.

Another factor is that since WW2, America's middle class has consisted mostly of salaried employees. Without a farm, workshop, store, or other capital asset, their only hope of passing earning power to their children is a degree from a highly ranked university.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:17 | 5417124 JuliaS
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IQ test was developed primarily to measure mental retardation for soldiers returning from war - to see whether they were fit to re-enter civilian workforce. It wasn't a test for getting into military as many did that straight out of high school before having any kind of professional experience or career. Over time the test morphed somehow into a broad measure of intelligence.

When Einstein's IQ is quoted, I often joke that he never served in the military... and people typically don't get it.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:57 | 5417551 RaceToTheBottom
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I remember those Armed Services Aptitude Tests.  They were great.

If you did not get well over 80% on each area, you should not go to a real university.  They were realistic interpretations of where you will end up.

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:56 | 5417545 Snoopy the Economist
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Miffed,

An engineering degree is not a 'rare case'. Almost everyone I know with one is doing well. You can't be an engineer without one.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:03 | 5417582 Tall Tom
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What percentage of Degrees awarded are STEM Degrees?

 

Of the very small percentage of STEM Degrees awarded what percentage of those are awarded to Natural Born American citizens?

 

What do you consider "rare"?

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:06 | 5417586 Miffed Microbio...
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You can't be a clinical microbiologist without one either. My degree was beneficial but I got more of an education in the real world because I found bacteria don't read text books.

My reference wasn't directed at the hard sciences. Modern " education" has such a plethora of worthless degrees offered now a degree in hard science seems relatively rare in comparison.

Miffed

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 06:30 | 5418750 Snoopy the Economist
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Agreed.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:34 | 5420154 The Boognish
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Bullshit. There are lots of engineers out there without degrees. Do you think the best software engineers went to shcool for it or learned it on their own?

I am and have been the lead engineer for many development projects, work on very cutting edge stuff, and have been extremely successful. I am good at my job because I am able to pick up new skills on my own without needing to be instructed by others. I did go to college for two years of a EE though I didn't graduate.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 23:33 | 5418196 livefreediefree
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Miffed,

I think a lot if this is lack of critical forethought before diving into such massive debt.

But they want debt; they want us highly leveraged. They don't care what form our debt takes: student loans, mortgages, luxury cars, cash-back credit cards, drug dealers, etc. When we're in debt, we're dependent. They like us dependent. They like us jumping every time the phone rings. It's amazing how clueless the high-anxiety individual can be.

It amazed me that Obama had only 3 major campaign themes during the 2008 election: (1) A stimulus; (2) Health care reform; and (3) Nationalizing student loans. In many of his speeches (eg, when he repudiated Wright), he always mentioned these 3, and these 3 alone. Obama is a smart Marxist. He knew that making teenagers dependent (ie, as early as possible) was a long-term path to the triumph of Progressivism.

When Progressivism triumphs, naturally Obama knew he would be drafted as this country's first emperor. Nationalizing student loans was an integral part of it.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 01:16 | 5418442 Miffed Microbio...
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Of course they want us in debt. A whore walks the streets in hopes of a John. For little expense on her part she receives cash. Is there really a difference?

Our mail box is constantly stuffed with loan applications. We use them as fire starters under the kindling. The most was an offer for up to 900k. This is a joke because we could no way pay off that sum in several life times. They have a responsibility to not offer loans the recipient cannot pay off. This has been obviously done away with because they will be bailed out if we do not pay. We have a responsibility to not take on debt we are unable to pay off. We have maintained our integrity and they have not.

I have watched many get suck into the vortex and levered themselves beyond hope of recovery. They had fancier cars, homes and took numerous fancy vacations. During those blissfully unaware times I must admit I did feel a tad jealous with the life they were having compared to mine. However, now the times have definitely changed. Many have lost their homes and those that are still in them are paying mortgages up to 5x what we are.

The problem is many Americans have the attention span of a gnat, are distracted by shiny baubles, and fall for slick sales pitches that encourage impulsive actions. Is it any wonder they end up as they do? Perhaps now some will be more prudent in the future after experiencing such a fall.

It was no mystery to me Obama was a Marxist from the beginning. Nothing that has happened since his rule has surprised me and it is frustrating to see so many can be fooled by frilly words. The man actually is quite transparent.

I think some teenagers are waking up to this fact now. They would benefit the most in a reset.

Miffed

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:05 | 5420300 livefreediefree
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Miffed

Yep. Debt sucks. I remember reading somewhere that the economic expansion of the past 20-30 or so years was financed almost exclusively by consumer and other debt, and thus doomed us. We are screwed. We'll never pay off the $18T national debt. Either we inflate the currency until it's worthless, or we'll default. Both alternatives used to be anathema. Ah, the good old days.

It was no mystery to me Obama was a Marxist from the beginning. Nothing that has happened since his rule has surprised me and it is frustrating to see so many can be fooled by frilly words. The man actually is quite transparent.

YYYEEESSSS!!! You da man (or da woman, depending on your genetic gender). I too knew who Obama was by the fall of 2007 simply by reading a few substantive articles (Kurtz wrote one), and by doing research on the man himself. And, yes, it was trivial to forecast the future based upon Obama's past. The amazing thing is that it took six years for the great Progressive Experiment to implode. I predicted he would have OD'ed earlier, but was not realistic enough in predicting how aggressively the Progressive culture and MSM protected him.

I think some teenagers are waking up to this fact now. They would benefit the most in a reset.

Young liberals become older conservatives. The transition point for each generation is different. We might be lucky; this generation might have their epiphany earlier.

Sorry for the late response.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 00:09 | 5422569 Miffed Microbio...
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You are a smart individual ( I am assuming man?) and I agree with much you say but being 53 I am very jaded and cynical having put my trust in those who should have made a difference. Personally I have given up but I am honorable and if this election has any effect I will acknowledge your accuracy for all to see.

My biggest concern is for those 20-40 who are suffering the most from this rampant malfeasance. They are being shunted out. I am not sure if they truly understand the true dynamic of what is befalling them but I will advocate them whenever possible. I pray for them daily understanding their difficulties so few can appreciate.

I , frankly, have no understanding why this hasn't imploded long ago. Obviously more must happen to tip the scales. I personally think the undermining of our status as the world currency will be the deciding factor. I plan for this eventuality.

Thanks for the response. Just FYI I am a woman. I am married to my childhood sweetheart whom I love dearly. I love guns and PMs. I'm into prepping ( not fanatic) sustainability gardening and live a rural unassuming lifestyle. I'm at heart a libertarian. I love wine, good food and cooking. Kind of a benevolent hedonist that makes her living as a clinical microbiologist. Just me in a nutshell.

Miffed

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:44 | 5417508 logicalman
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In my case, I always pointed out to my kids the dangers of student debt.

My son is a qualified chef with no debt (at 20) and my daughter worked for 3 years to make money so she wouldn't have much (if any) debt at the end of the course she chose.

They'll do OK.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 09:25 | 5419009 Paranoid Prepper
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Before I went to school in 2002 I was told by parents and all adults that I knew that just getting any degree is all that mattered. Since no one in my family had ever obtained a degree, they actually believed that.

Yes, I got suckered into taking on student loan debt but at least I was smart enough (and a bit lucky) to find employment that allows me to make the payments.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:01 | 5416422 Frank N. Beans
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not just "entitled" citizens, but any kid who thinks going to college will provide greater opportunity.  It may still give you an advantage over kids with a high school diploma, 'cept you're starting out in debt. 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:45 | 5416985 sleigher
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I have a high school diploma.  I do have some college level courses that I took when things were tough and needed better insight.  No degree though.  I have guys with masters that report to me.  I think hard work and determination is just as valuable as any degree.  More so actually...

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:22 | 5417159 Oldwood
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That has been our history, but today meritocracy is failing. Political correctness have made "judging" one's performance a bad thing. Instead we have all types of degrees and certifications that take the "judging" out of it. This is how unions preform where no one is paid more for working harder or smarter, rather punished for it as a brown-noser. The goal is to be equal, even if we have to make up new non-judging standards to justify it. Now, a job is based on a piece of paper and advancement is simply an issue of internal politics. Productivity is not even an issue anymore. Just dominate your market using the monopolistic powers granted by government so competition is irrelevant and just keep on coasting till the next big thing is created by modern marketing.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:46 | 5417512 logicalman
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Talent always shows through.

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 16:58 | 5416393 Panic Mode
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Tell that to those chalatans working at the university. There is such thing called useless degree. Education is not a born right, you liberal fool.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:02 | 5416781 847328_3527
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Students don't seem to understand getting the loan is only the beginning; they actually have to opn their books and study once and a while. American students are going to encounter tons of pressure from Barry's wide open borders through which thousands of some very bright and fiercely competitive kids are flooding in.

I wish them luck; they're going to need it given their addiction to Twitter and FB and TV junk.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:00 | 5416409 Atomizer
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Cute. No comment needed. Thanks Tyler! 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:02 | 5416424 limacon
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Maybe a military Contractor ?

But the market for cannon fodder seems to have suddenly narrowed .

See

https://www.academia.edu/9140381/An_End_to_7000_years_of_war_._Orkney_Wi...

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:44 | 5416693 cro_maat
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Now that was a funny article. I love all the interviews with recruits as to why they want to fight ISIS. The whole thing was written by a low level CIA ghost writer on acid.

"I want to have myself injected with Ebola and then get captured by ISIS" - Freaking hilarious. Then they throw Ross Perot under the bus. I am not sure their target audience even knows who Ross Perot is. The CIA really should make sure their heroin $ are spent more wisely.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 23:55 | 5418264 Atomizer
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Coughs. Good job. Other than CIA, more spoilers ahead. 

+100 vote. 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:02 | 5416437 Yen Cross
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  I think there should be diploma's for the " School of Hard Knocks" & you should be able to major in " Sweat Equity".

   I'll take someone that shows initiative and is willing to work and learn, over the piece of paper , "any day".

 ~ Bitchez ~

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:15 | 5416533 Miffed Microbio...
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Yeah we learned that the hard way. Our eldest got a job months before she graduated. I warned her to keep her grades up in case they terminated her seeing her becoming lazy about her degree. She laughed. " Oh mom, they don't care about my diploma. They hired me because I went at age 19 to China for a year, got a job and supported myself without your help. They said they admired my tenacity!" Man did I feel like an idiot.

Miffed

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:34 | 5416645 Yen Cross
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  That's a great story miffed. Your daughter sounds like a wonderful young lady.

 Obviously, advanced education is usually needed in fields like Microbiology, Physics, Engineering, ect...

 I'm sure a highly intelligent individual could excel in these fields if they had a family member or direct access and interest or proclivity for said field.

  My neice and nephew make me feel like a retard on a regular basis. :-)

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:25 | 5417167 Oldwood
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We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us. I hope we don't fall and break our neck.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:07 | 5417592 Daddio7
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Last year had Thanksgiving dinner at my house. At the table were my college junior son, my corporate lawyer older son, my daughter and her boyfriend, both English PhD's. Farmboy me got left behind in the conversations real fast.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:32 | 5417694 Yen Cross
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  Who paid for dinner? ;-)

  I'd say farmboy covered the tab.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:51 | 5417785 Socratic Dog
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Offhand I'd say Farmboy is going to come out a long way ahead of lawyers and english PhD's in the not-so-distant future.  I'm sorta looking forward to that.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 08:03 | 5418861 insanelysane
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I have a degree in engineering and work in computers.  Once I launch the last 2 kids into the world I would love to obtain one of these hands on skills that the educated look down upon like blacksmithing or gunsmithing.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:04 | 5416447 Panic Mode
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Education doesn't make you wiser. It is only one of many means to get a skill for a career.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:54 | 5417541 logicalman
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The big problem is that when you go to school, you get SCHOOLED.

You have to educate yourself.

I'm weeks away from 60 and still have a passion for knowledge.

Chemistry and Astronomy at uni.

Made my living as a sign painter!

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 21:00 | 5417570 RaceToTheBottom
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This is one of the reasons I want to retire in a small town associated with a larger land grant university.  As retired locals, you can usually audit classes for free or minimal amounts....

Keep exercising your brain.

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 22:44 | 5418032 Abbie Normal
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How does sitting in a lecture hall and listening to a tired old professor (or more likely an underpaid and overworked teaching assistant) reading verbatim from a textbook exercise the brain?  Watching a TED talk on U-tube should have the same effect.  Exercising the brain means learning something new, which is not a passive activity.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 02:46 | 5418571 The9thDoctor
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+1 Abbie Normal

You summed up why I am a university dropout.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 10:32 | 5419289 shovelhead
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Greatness can still be yours.

Hitler worked for a time as a sign painter.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:07 | 5416467 Peter Pan
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What that fellow meant to say is that neither the degree nor he have worked.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:09 | 5416483 Rainman
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Basic rules for Plumbers is the course to take, peons  .... fuckerz are bandits ! I lookin at his bill right now !

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:18 | 5416543 TulsaTime
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Yeah, nobody wants to smell those smells and work those hours, so plumber population is way down. Trying to find a good one that will show up when they say they will is a beothc!

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:18 | 5416861 tarabel
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Try to find one at any price if Ebola gets going.

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:29 | 5416606 GoldenGeezer
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Plumbing 101:

Shit flows downhill.

The End

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:54 | 5416740 Pareto
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+1 for shit flows down hill, payday's on Friday, and every asshole is a customer.  fixed it for ya.  he he

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:20 | 5417141 Agent P
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You forgot "don't chew your fingernails" 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:41 | 5416969 ljag
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Yet smell rises "uphill". Don't forget to vent when installing shit removal equip. Yo

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 19:22 | 5417157 Big Corked Boots
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Dude, I'm a professional. I'll give the board all four rules:

1. Shit flows downhill.

2. Hot on the left.

3. Cold on the right.

4. Cash in advance.

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 20:56 | 5417553 logicalman
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I bet you don't care if someone can see your ass crack!

 

Wed, 11/05/2014 - 17:09 | 5416491 pauhana
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A course called "Wasting Time on the Internet" is actually being offered at University of Pennsylvania.  See where that gets you. 

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