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If You Really Think It Matters Which Party Controls the Senate, Answer These Questions

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

Please don't claim anything changes if one party or the other is in the majority. Anyone clinging to that fantasy is delusional.

If you really think it matters which political party controls the U.S. Senate, please answer these questions. Don't worry, they're not that difficult:

1. Will U.S. foreign policy in the Mideast change from being an incoherent pastiche of endless war and Imperial meddling? Please answer with a straight face. We all know the answer is that it doesn't matter who controls the Senate, Presidency or House of Representatives, nothing will change.

 

2. Will basic civil liberties be returned to the citizenry? You know, like the cops are no longer allowed to steal your cash when they stop you for a broken tail light and claim the cash was going to be used for a drug deal.

 

Or some limits on domestic spying by Central State agencies. You know, basic civil liberties as defined by the Bill of Rights and the U.S. constitution.

 

Don't make me laugh--you know darned well that it doesn't matter who controls the Senate, Presidency or House of Representatives, nothing will change.

 

3. Will the predatory, parasitic policies of the Federal Reserve that virtually everyone from the Wall Street Journal to what little remains of the authentic Left understands has greatly increased income and wealth inequality be reined in? Please don't claim either party has any will or interest in limiting the Fed's rapacious financialization. There is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim--it is pure wishful thinking.

 

4. Will the steaming pile of profiteering, corruption, waste, fraud and ineptitude that is Sickcare in the U.S. be truly reformed so its costs drop by 50% to match what every other developed democracy spends per person on universal healthcare? It doesn't matter if ObamaCare is repealed or not; that monstrosity was simply another layer of bureaucratic waste on an already hopelessly dysfunctional system.

 

If you answer "yes," please run a body scan on yourself to detect the biochips that were implanted while you voted Demopublican.

 

5. Will the influence of Big Money be well and truly banned from politics? If you answer yes, please pick up your tin-foil hat at the door.

 

6. Will the incentives in the Status Quo be reset to punish rapacious financialization and gaming the system and reward productive investment and labor? Before you answer, check out who's buttering the Senators' bread. Hint: Wall Street does not qualify as productive unless we're talking about the production of life-draining parasites. Virtually none of the vast armies of skimmers and scammers, from those pursuing bogus disability claims to lobbyist leeches, will suffer any consequence.

 

Moral hazard is the Status Quo's Prime Directive.

 

7. Will anything be done to dismantle the Neofeudal Debt-Serfdom known as student loans? You are delusional if you think either party has any interest in limiting the predation of an academic Upper Caste that came to do good and stayed to do well.

 

8. Will any prudent assessment be made of unaffordable weapons systems like the F-35 Lightning--$1.5 trillion and counting for aircraft that will soon be matched by drones that cost a fraction of the F-35's $200 million a piece price tag? No way--parts of those insanely costly jets are made in dozens of states, so the pork is well-distributed. Never mind the plane is lemon, built to fight the wars of the past. It's jobs, Baby--that's all that counts. Never mind the $1.5 trillion--we can always borrow another couple trillion--the Fed promised us.

 

Do you really think the Senate controlled by either party will ask why the F-35's price tag dropped to $120 million from $200 million? That's easy--the revised estimate left out the engine and avionics. They'll be added back in after the Senate approves open-ended funding.

If none of these key dynamics will change, you got nothing. Please don't claim anything changes if one party or the other is in the majority. Anyone clinging to that fantasy is delusional.
 

If you doubt this, please take the above quiz again.

 

 

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Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:56 | 5420261 PrecipiceWatching
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Bullshit.

 

"The children" is an old, tired Communist ("Blue Team") gambit.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 07:58 | 5422984 Tall Tom
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...which the "Red Team" used.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:51 | 5419966 deadelephant
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I don't think people realize how many jobs that this project could create.  No, it's not the most important issue we are facing, but it is emblimatic of the way the current administration has killed jobs and prevented new jobs for absolutely no reason.  Is it safer to have oil moving through a pipeline, on railcars, or by tanker?  Got to move it somehow, might as well make it cheaper and safer.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:59 | 5419998 LetThemEatRand
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It's a made up issue.   Build a pipeline, and some railworkers lose their jobs.  But even if you create a few thousand net jobs with the pipeline, how is this a front and center issue on the national front?  How is it more important than say ending the Fed or even auditing the Fed?  How is it more important than the NSA?  End the Fed and the entire economy would change for the better, the government would shrink by necessity, and the middle class would start growing again en masse.  But neither Team even talks about that.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 18:32 | 5421483 Trucker Glock
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So you support eminent domain?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:21 | 5419801 williambanzai7
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..

 

The sign makes it perfectly clear

No change will be given in here

Just left and right spins

Regardless who wins

The sheeple get poked in the rear

 

The Limerick King

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:29 | 5419850 Winston Churchill
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Plenty of Mope though.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:51 | 5419968 MedTechEntrepreneur
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We'll need plenty of Rope...Hang 'em High...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:20 | 5419802 linniepar
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Rapacious!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:22 | 5419811 Rainman
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Will you be happier getting it up the arse with a blue donkey dick or a red elephant dick ?

  Take your time ...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:22 | 5419813 bid the soldier...
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I love the smell of a Pyrrhic Victory in the morning after an election in the US.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 17:43 | 5421288 livefreediefree
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Somewhat witty. However, perhaps the Democrats suffered a Pyrrhic loss?

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 01:17 | 5422687 bid the soldier...
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lfdf

 a Pyrrhic loss

Isn't that when the stock you bought for $50 a share goes down to $3 and you quit watching it.  A year or two later your broker calls to say it's back to $49 and do you want to sell?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:24 | 5419822 Vooter
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And yet morons just keep shuffling to the polls...LOL...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:32 | 5419857 forwardho
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Well, in all fairness, there was the pot issue.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 08:01 | 5422988 Tall Tom
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Do you have to have your Soma, Epsilon?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:25 | 5419826 Seasmoke
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Just root for the purple team......

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:26 | 5419828 SaulRosenberg
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It's time for REAL change!

Jeb/Christie '16. I'm REALLY ready.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:27 | 5419841 deeply indebted
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You couldn't wait for April 1 to spring that one on us?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:28 | 5419847 PrecipiceWatching
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Some combination of Ted/Sarah/Rand might be more likely now.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:40 | 5419900 Cathartes Aura
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grind 'em all up, see what's palatable?

 

*pukes*

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:43 | 5419929 ILoveDebt
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Ted is Canadian.  He can't run. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:52 | 5419973 deeply indebted
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I'm confused now.. Kenyons can run.., but Canadians can not?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:46 | 5420216 Uncle Remus
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Dat's got to be rayciss.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:55 | 5419989 Kirk2NCC1701
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You may want to add Sarc tags... for those who don't get your humor.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 08:02 | 5422991 Tall Tom
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If they are too dense then they do not deserve to understand it.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:26 | 5419829 deeply indebted
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Of course it matters.. It's not a question of governance. The fact that these clowns have no ability to "govern" was settled a very long time ago. It is,  however, still  a matter of good entertainment. :-)

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:29 | 5419836 PrecipiceWatching
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Bookkeeping Note:

 

It is not just Libertarians who feel this way.

 

Across the Board Conservatives are greeting the sweeping Republican win with VERY muted optimism as well.  The disgust is due to the Republicans are now behaving as 1980-style Democrats, while the Donkeys have moved on to full-fledged, open and arrogant Communism.

 

Growing support from rock-ribbed Conservatives for a REAL political alternative.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:32 | 5419864 LetThemEatRand
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Somehow I don't expect we'll ever see a line in a history book that says, "the next Great American Revolution started with VERY muted optimism that one of the two parties won an election...."

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:43 | 5419923 PrecipiceWatching
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Fascinating.

 

But that isn't even remotely close to what I said.

 

Straw man, bullshit.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:19 | 5420077 LetThemEatRand
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Of course you're not going to say what I said, because it would reflect the absurdity of your observation.  You make the point that "conservatives" held their noses and voted Republican anyway and are only cautiously optimistic that anything will change, as if the lack of great optimism is some kind of sea change in American politics.   

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:48 | 5420520 livefreediefree
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Thank you, Precipice-Watching, for your sanity.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:28 | 5419848 forwardho
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Is the U.S. any less broke?

It has spent over 20 trillion that cannot be repayed pretending that its not.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:33 | 5419863 PrecipiceWatching
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I ask, yet again:

 

Who specifically is not going to be repaid, and what exactly are they going to do about it?

 

It is becoming more accepted that this can might indeed be able to be kicked down the road indefinitely.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:37 | 5419884 deeply indebted
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Indefinitely?? Did you fail to see the "no idiots" sign when you walked in?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:51 | 5419962 PrecipiceWatching
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So, do you have an answer to my question, or just punkish ad hominem?

 

I'm willing to play Devil's Advocate to find out how people think this will actually unravel.  The specific logistics of it.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:56 | 5419988 deeply indebted
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Not a student of history, are you? Eventually, the fiat system collapses, and it is replaced by whatever society feels is best at that particular moment.. Things that cannot go on forever, don't. How hard is this to figure out??

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:59 | 5420007 deeply indebted
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You can down vote my comments all you like. It won't make you any less an idiot. ;-)

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 01:46 | 5422714 Jstanley011
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The bond market will crash.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:03 | 5420026 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'd argue that... since they're not spending real capital, but "Digital promises for future labor", that your future is either very gloomy, or so bright that you gotta wear shades.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 06:32 | 5422891 css1971
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The Saudis.

They'll probably demand some other currency instead.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:32 | 5419861 Chupacabra-322
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The Globalist Policy "All Done By Design, All Done By Agenda" of the following will continue:

War Crime Torture.

Criminal NDAA.

Criminal Patriot Act.

Criminal NSA Illegal Sping of Americans.

Criminal arming, funding & training of AL CIA duh.

Criminal CIA destabilization campaigns of Soverign Nations.

Criminal Drone Assassinations / Murder of innocents Worldwide.

Criminal QE & Economic Terrorism.

Criminal CIA drug running & money laundering through the Tax payer bailed out Criminal TBTFBanksters.

Criminal False Flag Campaigns.

Meet the new Totalitarian Authoritarian Fascist Militarized Police State Boss. Same as the old Boss.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:06 | 5420033 Pool Shark
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Chupa,

Anyone who questions this merely needs to recall the period of 2000 through 2006.

The Repugs controlled ALL THREE BRANCHES of the federal government over that 6-year period. Did any of these conditions improve? Did they do anything about illegals? Did they do anything about the Federal Reserve? Did they stop (or at least slowdown) out-of-control federal spending? Oh that's right, they AUTHORED the Patriot Act...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 20:43 | 5421328 livefreediefree
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Fuckin A. The statist, "compassionate conservative" (aka, Progressive) Republicans deserve criticism. After Newt and Bill balanced the budget circa 1995, in 1998, Pete Dominici, Republican chair of the Senate budget committe, proposed the first unbalanced budget (ie, added to the deficit). Bush ran hundreds of billions of dollar deficits throughout his Presidency.

Bush was Obama lite.

The 2010 election harbinged the revolt of conservatives. 2014 continues that trend.

We here on ZH know that shit can't continue. When the discontinuity does occur, it'll be total shit.

How did Hitler win power? Well, in the late 1920s, he predicted doom if Germany became addicted to cheap American money. Before the crash, the Nazis couldn't even garner 5% of the vote. After the crash, they rose to national prominence and, eventually, lots of shit happened.

Principled conservatives are predicting similar doom. However, since the parallel between Hitler and principled conservatives is exactly 180 off (Conservatives are the anti-Hitler; after all, the name of Hitler's party was the German SOCIALIST Worker's Party). When the great crash happens, we conservatives will have plenty of good candidate on our bench to fix this shit.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 08:09 | 5422999 Tall Tom
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Gingrich and Clinton did not balance the budgets. They raided the Social Security Trust Fund.

 

It was an accounting trick.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 15:38 | 5424317 livefreediefree
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I understand the difference between off- and on-budget, and have stated so elsewhere. Still, the fact that native conservative Newt and naturalized conservative Clinton joined forces to create a surplus was a startling achievement. My God, they even did welfare reform.

Go ahead and impugn their accomplishment, but you can't deny that ascendant conservatism can kneecap gov't power. The 1994 election was at least as consequential as 2006, 2010, and 2014, and may have been even more so than any of the latter 3. 1994, 2010, and 2014 were all clear rejections of liberalism. In 1994 and 2010, conservatism delivered: 94 was an actual reversal of liberalism, and 2010 stopped toxic Progressivism in its tracks. We'll see about 2014.

It's pretty obvious to me that a strong, unrepentant conservative running for President in 2016 will easily win. The battleground is ripe for further rejections of the left.

Progressives had Obama as President and near-supermajorities in Congress, so they governed. That didn't work out too well.

The fault lies not in process, nor tactics, nor in exection; rather, "Liberals can't govern":

In the wake of the Obamacare’s website belly flop, columnist E.J. Dionne wrote, “There’s a lesson here that liberals apparently need to learn over and over: Good intentions without proper administration can undermine even the most noble of goals.”

How is it possible that grownups, ostensibly dedicated to the proposition that government can solve problems, must learn such an elementary lesson over and over? One explanation for this anomaly is that liberals are, regarding any social ill, adamant that government do something, but unconcerned about whether it accomplishes anything.

Obama is proof that Progressives care about words, but not actions and reality. otoh, conservatives immerse themselves in actions and reality. We'll see whether or not the 2016 electorate agrees.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:35 | 5419868 bid the soldier...
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to answer your questions

 

NO NO NO  A THOUSAND TIMES NO

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 16:40 | 5421018 Chupacabra-322
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Fuck NO!!!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:34 | 5419869 centerline
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CHS - what is even worst than buying into the Dem-Rub BS is people who blindly vote on party lines. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:34 | 5419871 overmedicatedun...
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the government we see is not the real government..it is simple the superpower of the world must have stable policy and people who understand that policy..bureaucrats run the .gov the elected talk to the public like they run things but they just take orders. CIA, NSA, IRS, FED all when called before the elected treat them with distain..take a look at IRS hearings Lois Lerner and the New IRS head..barely concealed contempt for congress, they run things.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:40 | 5419903 overmedicatedun...
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part II..to change the nwo free trade kleptocrat strangle hold on .gov must mean the change of bureaucracy and the power centers at FED, DOJ, CIA, NSA, now HLS, EPA, dept of state..all highly inbread and run by generations of reptiles who no more consider the constitution as they do my posts.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:39 | 5419890 kowalli
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don't forget to vote

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:42 | 5419910 samsara
Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:40 | 5420186 Uncle Remus
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[sound of respirator]

Hmmm. That Imperial Storm-trooper should not be in armor while expressing a political perspective.

[sound of respirator]

And I wasn't aware the Empire was issuing political perspectives to it's enlisted personnel.

[sound of respirator]

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:43 | 5419915 disabledvet
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Make no mistake...this is a HARD right turn folks. "The Hawks are in charge" and they're gonna pull the trigger on this thing.

The President has been no Jimmy Carter I might add and has already "agreed" to stepped up attacks on "the Middle East."

What matters most in my view however are Benghazi and Ukraine. This is not an "imperial light" regime change. I think it's only a matter of time before you start to see the heavy metal start rolling/flying/plying the Oceans and Seas.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:17 | 5420080 Kirk2NCC1701
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Pessimist!
Our future's so bright, we gotta wear shades.
Even Timbuk3 knew that.

Now that we can stop worrying about the silly prices of shiny Unobtainium, you/we might want to go back to the Master Plan on how to survive (a) this 'Recovery', and (b) the Big Reset that will likely involve some mix of ABC weapons.

p.s. The Elite Rulers and their Oligarchs are jot the only ones who realize that 8 billion humans are 4-6 billion too many -- to share what's left of dwindling resources and Lebensraum. It might be prudent to plan for that eventuality.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:43 | 5419917 Chump
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Do you guys remember when the Tea Party got itself into Congress and promptly stopped runaway deficit spending?  No?  Instead they immediately got on board with an increase in the debt ceiling with no strings attached?  Well golly...!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:49 | 5419951 Downtoolong
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The saddest thing of all is that the most popular answer chosen for any one of these questions in an MSN poll will either be “I don’t know” or “Taylor Swift News” .

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:49 | 5419954 A_latvian
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5. Will the influence of "Big Money" be removed?

 

NO!  Nor should it!  It's called freedom of speech, idiot.  It is IMPOSSIBLE, in a free society, to remove the influence of money in politics.  What you really mean is to remove the money influence of PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE in politics.  Which, obviously, is an act not really supporting a free society.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:13 | 5420069 deeply indebted
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Letting "big money" choose our "leaders" is freedom!?? Holy shit! What the fuck happened to intelligence?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:30 | 5420132 Kirk2NCC1701
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The only "free" things I see these days are (1) "Money for Nothing" for the health, wealth and sleazy sex for Wall St types, and (2) the rented silence of all the EBT card holders.

Everyone else pays. With perpetual labor/servitude to the fiat Debt and its Creators "Doing God's Work".

"Freedom". Good one. At least have the decency to spell it honestly: "Freedumb".

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:37 | 5420172 hankwil74
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It's not impossible. It would take a Constitutional amendment banning money from non-citizens in United States elections and also limiting the amount of money any one citizen can donate to a political candidate; something along the lines of 10% of the medium income of Americans would work for me.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:38 | 5420173 hankwil74
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It's not impossible. It would take a Constitutional amendment banning money from non-citizens in United States elections and also limiting the amount of money any one citizen can donate to a political candidate; something along the lines of 10% of the medium income of Americans would work for me.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:19 | 5420332 hoist the bs flag
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... removed post...not even worth my time retyping.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 17:31 | 5421241 goldsansstandard
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Nope all you have to do is get the politics out of money Gold silver or bit

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 06:30 | 5422888 css1971
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Really? Buying politicians is freedom of speech?

Not where I come from.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:54 | 5419977 Gold N Glocks
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The author is delusional if he thinks having more conservatives on board will not change things for the better.  And if your questions to attempt to prove your point are all the "are you still beating your mother" type questions then you really don't have much to stand on.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 04:20 | 5422832 The9thDoctor
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The author is delusional if he thinks having more conservatives on board will not change things for the better.

The Bush years must be ancient history to you then.  What a joke.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:56 | 5419995 Vin
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'Here's to the new boss, same as the old boss....'

The central bankers win again.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:01 | 5420009 I Write Code
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Overly cynical. 

At least the rate of new damage should slow.  Gonna need a new POTUS to reverse much damage.

Republicans aren't much better than Democrats and worse on some stuff but better on others.  That's life.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:06 | 5420048 deeply indebted
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The idiots are out in force today, aren't they?

Yeah... Pin your hopes on a new POTUS to fix everything for you instead of getting off your dumb ass to do something yourself. Why not? Sheep to the slaughter...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:39 | 5420181 Vooter
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"Gonna need a new POTUS to reverse much damage."

LOL...yeah, that'll do it. We just need to elect a BETTER president! Why didn't I think of that?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:03 | 5420019 medium giraffe
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I answered yes to all questions, but my answers were based on my answering 'yes' to question number 9:

Do you think that, after long years of being a socio-economic experiment to convert a barren land into something of more value, the original owners will bring down the entire thing and re-assert their right of ownership over that which the current serf population have been fooled into thinking they have?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:16 | 5420078 shovelhead
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You talking about an Indian uprising?

We got all the fat alcoholics we need in our govt. Why trade?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:31 | 5420143 medium giraffe
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No, those guys just provided the skin for the welcome mat. 

Given the large number of empassioned, intelligent and humane individuals in your society (yes, they do exist), do you think the fat alcoholics are just there by mistake or design?

Whatever you may think your reason for being here is, it is clear that the main driving principle you are all born with is to learn and grow in your own way.

If this is the innate, driving principle of humanity, before any opinions are formed or any understanding or creed is taken up, why do you live in a society that stifles and rejects this prime directive of humanity, lulling you into inaction and destroying individualism on the glorious road to collectivism.  Why is that? Mistake or design?

 

Just a thought.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:23 | 5420115 Cathartes Aura
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hmmm.

a socio-economic experiment to convert a barren land into something of more value

these concepts of "ownership" and subsequent exploitation of what is owned (because no profits without exploiting the imagined resource) seem to perpetuate "serf populations" throughout history.

exploiting existence, be it "land" or "resources extracted" or "humans" imagined as voting populations. . .

lots of concepts ripe for re-thinking.  pity "thinking" isn't all that popular any more. . .

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:04 | 5420175 medium giraffe
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Hi CA

Yes, oddly familiar pattern, isn't it?

'Thinking' isn't the only problem, though of course I agree with you.  Thinking outside of our small window of lifespan is equally challenging.  How could the same pattern be perpetuated over and over across centuries?  By whom?  'Human nature' is a cop out, as far as explainations go.

A lot requires re-examination, though we also lack the luxury of time I fear.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:54 | 5420553 Cathartes Aura
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I'm going for the simple pattern recognition lately.

history is full of stories of bullying by force, and protection rackets.  men gather together and decide to rape 'n' pillage somewhere. . . they do it enough times, fear happens.  with fear comes protection promises, gathering together for hopeful safety.  other men decide to offer "hopeful futures" via promises to protect, and thus "nations" are born.

but then the "nations" are fearful of each other - they're based on fear, so that's inevitable - so they continue to organise the men to fight to "protect".  eventually some bright spark realises there's a profit to be made/skimmed off all this "protecting" that the peoples believe in.  so they create lots of "nations" and perpetual wars - for protection/resources, and just because that's all they know - wars.  belief systems in "saviours" and "gods" are stirred in to give the humans more "range of thought" - then set them all against each other eventually.

inter-woven there's some art and creativity and leisure time - but mostly?  wars, someone is ALWAYS fighting a war in someone else's space.

voila! history.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:05 | 5420029 orangegeek
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Pick your poison.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:09 | 5420057 the6thBook
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Maybe I will be able to buy ammo now.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:29 | 5420135 seek
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I bet not.

I strongly suspect whatever is going on with ammo is like Operation Choke Point in banking, there's some regulatory agency that's manipulating suppliers. We probably won't know the extent of corruption in the exective branch for decades. There's a chance if the red crowd gets the presidency the practice will be ended, but I doubt it will happen just because they have the house and senate again.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:19 | 5420089 Savyindallas
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But now that the republicans are in, we can stop the gay onslaught, repeal Roe V. wade and finally start WW3 by nuking Russia. 

Yes-we need to kill all the commies and Muslims and let our unmarried, uneducated teenage welfare queens continue breeding like rats and procreating so that we will have sufficient manpower to kill all the Muslims and Commies. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:33 | 5420153 Uncle Remus
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Allahu Ack... er AMEN!

Amen. Yeah, that's it - that's the ticket.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:28 | 5420127 livefreediefree
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Well, Mr. Charles Hugh-Smith, let me ask you two questions: (1) Do your 8 questions fully circumscribe all the threats to our liberties occurring today? (2) What are your solutions?

Please excuse me for critically thinking, but the real-world answers to your questions are: (1) Fuck no. A mainly Libertarian POV like yours is of necessity narrow and parochial. There are more real threats in heaven and on earth that are dreamt of in your philosophy; and (2) You have no fucking solutions except some radical change which could never occur because it fails to account for the essentials of human nature.

From your bio: My work does not fit into any ideological box; indeed, I view all ideologies as obsolete and misleading. I doubt this is a surprise to you if you've read the blog.

Wow. So, what you're saying is that the POV of every fucking human being who have ever lived or is living today is "obsolete and misleading", and that only you, mighty you, knows the truth.

We have one Narcissist-in-Chief. That's enough. Go away.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:34 | 5420159 Uncle Remus
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W.

T.

F.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:35 | 5420160 Uncle Remus
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Dupzilla

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:40 | 5420185 Kirk2NCC1701
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I can't help but notice the IRONY of your comment: You criticize CHS for not offering Solutions, but fail to do so yourself.

If you want to look up the word Hypocrite in the dictionary, you may find a picture of yourself.

p.s. At the risk of having to spell it out to you and to other uni-brows, ZH writers cannot and will not offer the genuine and only true solutions, unless they're looking for a midnight raid from the Enforcers of TPTB. The Idea is to... Create a growing Awareness, that will hopefully build into a Grassroots movement that everyone (who truly gives a damn) can join and help.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:42 | 5420196 Uncle Remus
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Word.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:33 | 5420415 livefreediefree
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Kirk,

I've offered my substantive thoughts elsewhere on ZH, mainly in response to the (multiple) articles like this one which posit that electing Republicans will make no difference. I'm not going to recapitulate my dozens of comments re this issue.

I believe electing Republican conservatives will make a difference (and Democratic conservatives, too, but it seems that no Congressional Democrat is to the right of any and all Congressional Republicans; iow, Congressional Democrats are 100% non-conservative). First, however, we must elect Republicans. The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with trading in a Prius for an actual car.

It's real simple. Conservatives like myself value individual liberties and small gov't. If this country honored those 2 ideals, the shit we're experiencing would abate.

Not all Republicans honor these ideals, unfortunately. The rift between Tea Party Republicans and Establishment Republicans is real. Establishment Republicans are largely statist, and are part of the problem. However, as before, Democrats are too far left to invest in that party.

So, what to do? Continue to work within the Republican Party to purge the statists, and elect conservatives who honor non-statism. That's a very difficult task. Conservatives become conservatives by getting fucked by reality. We are realists.

However, there is hope. The great Progressive Experiment is turning into total shit. What's even better, the country is becoming aware that it is. The upcoming great crash might even convince the public to give conservatives control of all 3 branches of gov't. If the public does, we'll be OK.

ZH writers cannot and will not offer the genuine and only true solutions, unless they're looking for a midnight raid from the Enforcers of TPTB.

What are your "genuine" and "true" solutions?

Re your Grassroots movement: It can't and won't work, but you need to discover that for yourself. Every generation must. I wish you well.

However, the author of this article is a fucking narcissist.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 22:32 | 5422287 Vooter
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"The upcoming great crash might even convince the public to give conservatives control of all 3 branches of gov't. If the public does, we'll be OK."

LOL! Oh, okay, so let me get this straight: Your "solution" is to simply replace one group of selfish, greedy, shallow, thick-fingered, nut-scratching monkeys with ANOTHER group of selfish, greedy, shallow, thick-fingered, nut-scratching monkeys??? You really don't get it, do you? NOTHING IS GOING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM EXCEPT A COLLAPSE. You want to go down below and try to stuff some cardboard into the Titanic's 300-foot gash? Go for it! But it ain't gonna work. THE PARTY'S OVER.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 00:30 | 5422610 livefreediefree
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You really don't get it, do you?

Here's what I get.

There once was a poster named Vooter
Whose words prefixed roto to rooter
  He blustered and spewed
  He fumed and he stewed
He was naught but a verbal polluter

I've lived through successful conservatism, and through unsuccessful non-conservatism. In my ignorant, inexperienced, and unwise youth, I went through a cynical nihilistic phase, too. Now, no.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 04:32 | 5422837 The9thDoctor
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Continue to work within the Republican Party to purge the statists, and elect conservatives who honor non-statism. That's a very difficult task.

Bold emphasis mine.  Of course it's a difficult task... it's impossible.  Conservatives are statist.  They want to use the STATE to cram their warped Biblical views on people who don't share the same beliefs as them.  They also support the MIC to fight the mooslims, commies, or whatever the flavor of the generation is as the boogeyman.  Conservatives are antithetical to non-statism.  Try libertarianism or even anarchism if you want non-statism.

Working with the Republican Party... um... last I checked you get Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and they spend more time cozying up to AIPAC than they do shrinking the government.

 

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 15:13 | 5424347 livefreediefree
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I see you've adopted the warped, mistaken propaganda of the left hook, line, and Lena Dunhamed. Tyrannical Progressives of all ilks and stripes are super glad since they won't need to spend any more money transforming you into a useful idiot.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 08:46 | 5423046 Tall Tom
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livefreeordie...

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.

 

You must be self reliant if you wish to have any chance of seeing this shitstorm through.

 

And that is no guarantee. Most likely nobody will.

 

You seem to be searching, spinning your wheels, searching for that which does not exist.

 

The author does not claim to have any solutions. He is correct that all ideologies are flawed.,,including his.

 

There are no solutions on ZH. None.

 

We are here to document the collapse of civilization. We write the requiem of a dying Planet. We are at peace with it for the most part.

 

Look at the byline on the header. "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."

 

You need to accept your fate. You are just like the rest of us and nobody special. Get a grip, man.

 

My solution is acceptance.

 

You cannot save it. It is too far gone. The patient is TERMINAL.

 

I have a slim hope that my ideology is flawed.

 

But the evidence to the contrary is rather overwhelming at times.

 

LMAO

 

Yes I plan to die laughing.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 19:18 | 5424566 livefreediefree
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You might have seen this picture: www.livefreediefree.com/AuschwitzSmall.jpg

Fingernail marks inside one of the gas chambers at Auschwitz,

Somewhere I read what an Auschwitz guard said about the indomitability of the human spirit, about the fiercely undying will to live. It was moving, to say the least.

And you're negative. Maybe you need a visit from one of the Auschwitz ghosts.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:29 | 5420134 TalkToLind
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It's for the chillrens!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:33 | 5420156 hankwil74
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It matters if you're gay or if you have an unplanned pregnancy

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:42 | 5420200 Uncle Remus
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Oops.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:47 | 5420229 PrecipiceWatching
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"Unplanned pregnancy"

 

You know, they figured out what causes a woman to become pregant these days......

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:54 | 5420251 hankwil74
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I wasn't aware that condoms were 100% effective

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:56 | 5420265 Uncle Remus
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Speaking of condoms, this election was really just about putting on a fresh one.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:27 | 5420389 PrecipiceWatching
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Ridiculous.

 

As if condom failure was responsible for the vast majority of "unplanned pregnancies".

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 18:58 | 5421596 cart00ner
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Your birth certificate is an apology letter from the condom factory.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:36 | 5420165 shovelhead
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I can't wait for those truck convoys shipping all those illegals back over the border.

Will that come before or after the banker arrests for fraud?

Or will it be de-funding NSA and recinding the Patriot Act?

Them Republicans sure have their work cut out for them.

Yessirie, I can see the shirtsleeves rolled up and the muscles flexing from here.

I guess The campaign reform and auditing and curtailing the FED RES might have to wait with the huge workload in front of them.

But I know job number one is saving the Republic and they'll be up to the task.

Hell, I feel safer already. Now I can relax.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:40 | 5420184 MonkeyKnutz
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OT:  Why hasn't the media reported any of the 5th of November Million Mask March? Esp. in front of the FED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_N-AcPDI8

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 06:25 | 5422885 css1971
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Because it is not officially sanctioned free speech.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:40 | 5420191 bart12
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Ok Got it.. either you get a Dumbass or a Retarded as your politician!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:43 | 5420202 bourbondave
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I don't disagree with any of them except #5.  How exactly will the "authorities" "ban Big Money" from politics?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:46 | 5420213 NEOSERF
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At least Republicans tend to favor the NRA which in the final analysis will be the most important civil liberty when it all goes to hell in a handbasket.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:46 | 5420225 CharlieMike
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At least there's that.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:53 | 5420246 PrecipiceWatching
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Excellent and huge point.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:46 | 5420222 Smooth Criminal
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To quote a very wise man: "Same shit, different day."

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:48 | 5420226 Ralph Spoilsport
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RE: Point #8

Why the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is a POS (the Marines insisted on having VTOL which cripples the non-VTOL versions):

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd-how-the-u-s-and-its-allies-got-stuck...

Related - Why is the Air Force trying to get rid of the cheapest to operate and most effective plane that provides ground troops much needed close air support?

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-u-s-air-force-is-trying-to-trick-us...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:02 | 5420285 Uncle Remus
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Getting rid of the Warthog makes absoluelty ZERO sense, well unless you're a politican or MIC contractor.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:20 | 5420352 Ralph Spoilsport
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The troops on the ground deserve all the support they can get. Getting rid of the Warthog seems like they don't put much value on the ground pounders. Life is cheap to the politicians and MIC assholes.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 06:22 | 5422881 css1971
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AKA cannon fodder.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 06:22 | 5422879 css1971
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Surely the F35 and F22 can do everything.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:47 | 5420234 Conax
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I hate politics. The stupid election was two days ago and the partisan butt hurt must now flow for a week or two.

The statists say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to grumble" when voting actually grants your tacit approval to whatever shit the winners pull.  You signed on to it by voting for it.

The only ones with the right to grumble are those that don't approve and have to live under this oppression without representation.  Dr. Ron Paul has left the building.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:56 | 5420259 Uncle Remus
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LOL and +1 for the "the partisan butt hurt must [...] flow".

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:52 | 5420247 laomei
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In summary - shit be fucked.  It's not going to get better, it only gets worse.  The key in the spiral downwards is sugar coating the steps with focus-group validated language to get the majority to drink the flavoraid.  Once enacted and things are shit, you use the media to press the agenda.  One side goes to one extreme, the other side to the opposite extreme.  Leaving the public to pick sides, neither of which are actually reflective of reality.

 

Obamacare: The teafags would have you believe that it's some massive government take-over of healthcare.  A handout to the poor.  The destruction of healthcare by the hands of the dark one.  While the libtards stand firmly by blabbering about how many more people are insured and oh how cheap it is now.

 

The reality of course, is neither.  It's garbage written by insurance companies for their own benefits to suck more out of the system.  The IRS now can extract cash from you to hand over directly to private insurance companies, the "free" medicare is only good when it works out, but it's all red tape and jumping through hoops to get anything done.  Premiums for normal people have gone up even more, deductibles result in many who might be able to afford "insurance" but will never be able to actually use it... which means effectively, free money for the insurance companies.  Dems had their chance to follow through on actual reform, but the insurance companies didn't like it so it died after being given some "debate" which was all just for show.

 

The stats the government puts out are all bullshit, but again, the polarity in the media is such that there is no truth.  The same fucking talking points day in day out, all of them utterly without meaning.

 

In some regards, there is too much regulation, in others there is not nearly enough.  Laws are not applied or enforced equally. There is massive corruption which has been "legalized" to hide it in plain sight.  And all the while, the public sheeps along with it, either refusing to accept it, or being defeatist and just accepting the new normal and the newer normal and the newest normal as it evolves.

 

The 80s were driven by corporate raiding and the fucking over of the working class and destruction of security

The 90s were driven by the tech bubble as an outlet to the profits from corporate raiding and offshoring, which fucked over the working and middle classes

The 00s were driven by the real estate bubble, which fucked over everyone in the end

And the 10s have been driven by the fed bubble, which if allowed to pop, threatens to simply end what could be called the "living standard bubble" and take down anyone who has firewalled themselves from it to some degree.

 

It's going to shit, it won't be pretty, and if you have the means, you'd be smart to get out while you still can.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:10 | 5420313 geekz_rule
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nailed it

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:29 | 5420694 ajax
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Great post 'laomei'

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:56 | 5420260 Comte d'herblay
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"Any change will be at the margins".

Anything else wil require mass assassinations of incumbents. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 16:08 | 5420862 bid the soldier...
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and entrapment, blackmail and bribery.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:59 | 5420277 Equality 7-25-1
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Greedy stupid tools will continue to fight to protect their political careers with the same disregard for the destruction of their constituents.

Back to you, Johnny.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:01 | 5420282 besnook
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so the admonition is to vote your wallet ONLY!!!!!

the reality is the bottom half of the class rules the world so we are all fucked.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:06 | 5420296 AchtungAffen
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If there's one thing where you can see a difference, slight as it may be, is with the undue influence of big oil and carbon burning industries in policy. Dems tend to be a little more "resistant", while Reps genuflex at once with King Oil.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:10 | 5420318 Handful of Dust
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Diane Reems NPR blames the Dem loss on all the “older white men and women who voted Rep.”

 

She said she’s mystified the people don’t see the good economic growth and low unemployment under Barry.

 

Very typical MSM who is disconnected from the people, just like some politicians.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 17:47 | 5421297 shovelhead
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Mainlining Hope dope.

It's a hard drug.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 20:36 | 5421941 kaiserhoff
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Barry isn't the only one in denial over the election results.

Lots of pink panties in knots in New York.

No difference?  So why all the bitching, moaning, and whining?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:21 | 5420356 Manipuflation
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Nope, just nope.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:40 | 5420449 Kelley
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Anyone who thinks there is no difference between Alito and the two commies Obama appointed, is trying to sell you crap in bag.

And what is the alternative? Not voting?? Voting for perrenial losers like the Libertarians??

A former Republican libertarian cost VA a victory for the Republican Senate candidate.

Only the first place vorte getter gets the seat - that is how it works!! Voting for a person who is guaranteed to come in third is simply stupid.

 

And not voting?? Then what?? Anarchy! Move to Somolia if you like Anarchy.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:47 | 5420508 livefreediefree
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Thanks for the sanity, Kelley. It's needed here.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 17:43 | 5421285 KittyStix
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Please check sane and rational at the door.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 22:21 | 5422251 Vooter
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We need your brand of "sanity" like we need a hole in the head...

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 00:31 | 5422614 livefreediefree
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You need something, Vooter. Although a hole in the head is the last of the very last desperate measures, it may be what you really need.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:51 | 5420540 besnook
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the point is the end result is the same with the two party system. how to change the paradigm is a different matter. .gov has totally disconnected from the interests of the people. the only solutions in the past have been some form of revolution. ukip in europe may be one form of electoral revolution but violence is usually the answer.

voting in a two party system if your vote is not anti incumbent is a waste of time.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:14 | 5420644 Blood Spattered...
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Actually Kelley, the apartheid regime in South Africa was toppled by people not participating in an election.  This proved the elections illegitimate, along with the government that held them.  Learn some basic history before you start spouting off.

Nationally speaking, voting is a waste of time.  Also, the Supreme Court has become a joke.  And no, there are few differences between any of them.  They all serve the same master.  These crooks almost all voted in favor of the Citizens United Act.  That's all you need to know.

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 20:51 | 5421984 kaiserhoff
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Damn straight, Kelly.

I support Libertarian positions whenever I can, but not to the point of letting the Commie Parasites win.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 22:13 | 5422234 Vooter
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"And not voting?? Then what?? Anarchy! Move to Somolia if you like Anarchy."

LOL...nope, sorry, I think I'll enjoy the well-deserved anarchy that's coming down the pike RIGHT HERE in the good ol' US of A. You didn't really think we were going to "vote" our way out of this catastrophe, now, did you? Nope...TOO LATE. Our fair "leaders" have finally screwed the pooch, and their crimes are now going to be turned on THEM. What do you think of that?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:45 | 5420483 livefreediefree
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Echo chamber Echo chamber Echo chamber

Echo chamber Echo chamber Echo chamber

Is it a contradiction in term to speak of "Group Onanism"? Maybe not. The posters here who agree with this article are jacking off, either individually or collectively, but spewing their seed on fallow ground.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 17:49 | 5421314 shovelhead
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You funny guy.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:44 | 5420487 ImGumbydmmt
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well noted "Slave"

Here ya go folks: All you need to know about the democratic party circa 21st century.

http://beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2013/04/communist-party-sues-democ...

Key Quote:

"In a surprise move, the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) has announced a lawsuit against the Democratic Party and its leadership for the alleged theft of intellectual property. The plaintiffs claim that the entire so-called “new” Democratic agenda is, in fact, the product of a decades-long, painstaking campaign by CPUSA theorists, agitators, and underground subversive cells – which makes it the intellectual property of the Communist Party USA, protected by American copyright laws. “They stole our entire platform, rebranded it ‘progressive’, and claimed it as their own,” declared a CPUSA spokesperson at a press conference in San Francisco. “And we communists say, not so fast! Not in this country anyway, where we still have property rights and the rule of law, thank God! Actually, let me rephrase that…”

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 17:52 | 5421329 shovelhead
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You can patent stupid?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:55 | 5420555 Panic Mode
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Citizens, don't think your bum can rest.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:06 | 5420612 theyjustcantstop
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i don't want to be to political here, but the biggest political propaganda acomplishment in the last 50 yrs. has been giving the communist, and facist politicians cover, (under the liberal label).

2008, the american communist party quit campaigning, and put their support behind o'bama, they publicly stated they were in full agreement with o'bamas policies.

i have no illusions, politicly everything could stay pretty much the same, i would be happy if they just enlightened 85% of the americans that the same people who indebted generations of americans, are the same people we owe this money to.  

me, i'd put the american blitzkrieg into affect, have the house pass, (audit the fed., balanced budget, school vouchers, 6-7 o'bama-care changes, give all fed. agencies until first tues. in nov., 2016 to account for their past, and future budget), bills and send to senate in first month, just as o'bamas, ruin america blitzkrieg from his first day in office.

second month fill dozens of foia's, and subpoenas that are well overdue.

me. policies may not change much, just where the votes come from will change.

in 2008 dems. were war doves, but they voted for war a few yrs. earlier, but all turned war hawks when o'bama was elected.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:31 | 5420710 jacship
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Who is Loretta Lynch????

Obola's replacement for top Shield

www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/06/low-profile-nyc-prosecutor-emerges-as-cont...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:47 | 5420758 paintman
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In one scenario, you hope for change.  In another, you demand change.  Which is most likely to succeed?  Posting dissatisfaction and discouragement might make you feel better today, but to really make things better, more people must get involved in processes before, during and after every election.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:52 | 5420777 putbuyer
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Charlie, Charlie, Charlie you would love to do a Lewinsky on Obama. Today's Republican party is mush like the democrats of old, but no way are they the extreme left radicals of today's Democratic party. Republicans never pushed socialized medicine or said we should pass a bill to find out what's in it. I think Charlie is angry his leftist buddies lost. Cry baby!

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