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Ukraine Begins "Large-Scale" Offensive In Donetsk; "War Has Resumed" Rebel Leader Warns; Russian Stocks, Currency Crashing

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Ebola is solved. Oil price drops are "unequivocally good news". The US election is positive. Draghi promised to do whatever it takes again. And Ukraine is in ceasefire.So why is it that Donetsk's Deputy Prime Minister Andriy Purgin claims Ukrainian security officials have started full-scale fighting, clashing 26 times today according to Ukraine military.y. With tanks advancing, Purgin exclaims, "now there is a full-scale war... attacking us, we are defending."

  • *UKRAINE TROOPS, REBELS CLASHED 26 TIMES TODAY, MILITARY SAYS
  • *DONETSK REBELS ON DEFENSIVE AGAINST UKRAINE MILITARY MOVE: RIA
  • *UKRAINE ATTEMPTS TANK ADVANCE TO REACH DONETSK AIRPORT: IFX
  • *UKRAINE TROOPS STAY IN POSITIONS, ADHERE TO TRUCE: MILITARY
  • *UKRAINE MOVING HEAVY ARMOR IN AREA NEAR PISKY: IFX CITES REBELS
  • *DONETSK REBELS ON DEFENSIVE AGAINST UKRAINE MILITARY MOVE: RIA

As RIA reports (via Google Translate),

Ukrainian security officials actually started full-scale fighting, fighters breakaway Donetsk People's Republic defense, told RIA Novosti Deputy Prime Minister Andriy Purgin DNI.

 

"Now there is a full-scale war ... attacking us, we are defending," -he said, noting that the ceasefire is broken Kiev siloviki.

 

Purgin said that the ceasefire was not observed at 75% of the contact line, but "now at war where no war before that."

 

Earlier Thursday, the militia DNR reported that in a suburb of Donetsk Yasinovataya tank column entered Ukrainian security officials, the surrounding areas of Donetsk were fired.

 

Get damaged kindergarten building in the street and the building Aristova Chamber of Commerce at the Kiev Avenue, and a number of houses on the avenue of the Kremlin. Data on victimsare specified, reported three wounded.

 

Militias reported that clashed, was destroyed at least five armored vehicles (tanks andAPCs). At this time the attack was repelled.

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Shelling continues...

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The Ruble has been crushed to new record lows over 46 to the USDollar and Russian stocks are tumbling.

 

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Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:27 | 5419547 LULZBank
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Putin be like most powerful man on the planet.

Epic fucking lulz Bitchezz!!

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:30 | 5419569 Theta_Burn
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Keep fucking with him and watch what happens

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:33 | 5419583 LULZBank
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Down votes for stating the obvious truth?

Well who knows what the future holds, but so far what I've been saying stands.

You numbnuts better wisen up or disappointment and despair will leave you eternally scarred. Nobody is coming to help.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:43 | 5419638 Haus-Targaryen
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Isn't European Unity just grand?  Infact, the Europeans are so united, they'll force their unity down people's throats through the barrel of a gun -- that want nothing to do with it.  

 

Kinda reminds me of Georgie and his spreading of democracy ... 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:51 | 5419685 ChiangMai
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European unity re Ukraine:

FIRST 23 SECONDS HERE

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:09 | 5419727 strannick
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Stupid Ukes on the march. Sacrificing their lives in a proxy war, so the banks can divert media attention from their financial cataclysm. These Neo-nazi Ukes actually maybe are that stupid. Nulands has your backs bros, while they march straight into Putin and Russia. I guess this nation is too stupid to exist. Good riddance.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:16 | 5419777 90's Child
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The first two youtube videos are titled.

 

Donetsk shooting June 11, 2014

 

 

Donetsk Volleys Kuibyshev district June 11, 2014

 

Hmmmmm

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:40 | 5419873 BaBaBouy
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Fuckin A$$holes If They Push PUTIN Too Far He Will Begin Pumping Tactical Nukes Down Your Neck...
EVERYONE Will Lose For Fucks Sake..............

Remember, Your Fighting Over COW And Chicken Grazing Lands, Azzoles...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:44 | 5419928 Theta_Burn
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....And Hunter B. and HIS gaz....

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:07 | 5420049 Bananamerican
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Someone is insisting on a war with Russia.... just in time for the "tough on war" Republicans to further insist....

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:00 | 5420582 COSMOS
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The Russians certainly can give payback, just wait.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:03 | 5420025 Utah_Get_Me_2
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In Europe they do dates logically Day/Month/Year.. Hence the 06/11/2014. It's not June 11, 2014 its 06 November 2014. Nice try.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:42 | 5420744 Beowulf55
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Sure tell you don't get out much.  Might want to try traveling to Europe and broaden your education.

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 17:28 | 5425168 aaheart
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Europe and most of the rest of the world don't follow the same convention you assume is universal. The you-tube videos indicate that they were filed 06-11-2014...that's 6 November 2014 by European and world convention. In other words, they were filed yesterday. US is just about alone in the world using DMY,  whereas the rest of the world uses MDY.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:53 | 5419687 LULZBank
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Nobody should say NO to a good thing.

Its like when parents force feed medicine to a sick kid.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:13 | 5419768 Haus-Targaryen
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You're right.  Your point illustrates how stupid the Ukies are for fighting the Russians.  

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:21 | 5419812 LULZBank
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P.S.  /sarc

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 20:17 | 5421870 Bendromeda Strain
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It's okay Zbig, we got the joke

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:55 | 5420255 geno-econ
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Timing is everything.    Hitler, Napoleon an now Kiev will learn again what Winter is all about. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:17 | 5420651 Sirius Wonderblast
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Daft part is, the Ukies must be well aware - they live there. The shits giving them their orders obviously don't.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 20:19 | 5421877 Bendromeda Strain
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The IMF has put conditions on the loan, like any good shylock. They already safeguarded Ukraine's gold, now they want their blood.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:12 | 5420634 Againstthelie
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That's the outcome when an election result does not please Democrats.

And for 200 years the City of London and New york have been doing everything they can to avoid continental Europe solve it's problems. Because the natural axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow would mean they were OUT!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:00 | 5419720 Babaloo
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ZH readers live in some kind of alternate universe where Putin is a tactical genius and the 40% devaluation of the rubble is all part of his master plan to dominate the west. 

When presented with reality they have no retort other that denying the facts...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:11 | 5419758 Theta_Burn
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An alternate from the fecal flow of western press corp? yep

Putin a tactical genius? yep

Putin wanting to dominate the west? is that what you managed to pull out of your ass when you removed your finger? fail..

Responding to meddling, suffering because of a captured/controlled banking system, and of course the privledge of a reserve currency control..

Give it some more time, our leaders will shock the shit out of you with there tactical genius to further thier plans to rule the world...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:14 | 5419771 Volkodav
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Tactical genius was Novorussiya against Kyiv attempt to subjugate SE Ukraine peoples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSlFkUwtDk

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:47 | 5419891 1000yrdstare
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When presented with reality they have no retort other that denying the facts...

 

 

I kinda remember we getting caught starting this shit? or did you miss that fact?

 

Lookup NULAND recording....it should still be out there.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:31 | 5420146 SoDamnMad
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Lotta trolls from St. Peterburg making $2,500. a month  just sitting for 2-12 hour days a week writing blogs.

Gotta love them because their English is getting better.  We could work out a deal between us for click bait.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:16 | 5420337 BlindMonkey
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I think the Russians are getting a much better deal for their Ruble.  Ft. Meade trolls like you are probably making 5x the Russian ones.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:35 | 5420722 Againstthelie
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Called by MegaphoneDesktop, Shlomo?

Fri, 11/07/2014 - 17:38 | 5425197 aaheart
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MY English is quite good because I was born in the US, and have lived in the US for over 73 years. I'm sitting here commenting so that damf00ls like you don't help get us into a war with Russia over the same lies that have gotten us into wars for the past 100+ years.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:32 | 5420713 Againstthelie
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Hi Babaloo,

some food for the fact lover:

........................USrael....................Russia

Debt (% GDP)....108............................8

Reserve Fund.....No............................Yes

Trade balance..always negative......always positive

Financial repression Yes (0%)............No (8%)

Unemployment rate 6.1%..................4.9%

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 23:10 | 5422379 Amerikan Patriot
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You don't include enough facts, Bob:

                             US                              Russia                    

Holder of Reserve Currency             Yes                             No                    

Credibility/Respect by first word       Yes                             No

Recent Sovereign Defaults               None                           Two

Defense Spending in Billions of $     640                             87.8

GDP Per Capita in Thousands of $      53                               24

 

 

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:09 | 5419749 Volkodav
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What is obvious is you need help

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:00 | 5420014 matrix2012
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"What is obvious is you need help"

 

NOPE, (s)he is just a PAID troll

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:43 | 5419643 flapdoodle
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Ukraine was just waiting for the Republicans to take the Senate before rekindling the Novorossiya ember.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the US Deep State and Russia are at war, have been for a while now. The oil moves, the strengthened dollar, the BRIC moves away from the petrodollar are just different battles.

I don't think the Russians are fooled by any of this - its no coincidence that the Russians test fired *two* ICBMs this week.

We live in very dangerous times...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:01 | 5419707 Chupacabra-322
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Spot on. It's the Fascist Totalitarian Authoritarian Militatrized Police State Republican mandate. Or is it a continuation of the Democrates mandate? Who can really tell nowadays anyway? One big Criminal Mafia Family.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:29 | 5420136 post turtle saver
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here's a note to ol' Pooty Poot... it's bad business to be in a shooting war with your biggest customers, especially when what you sell has been dropping in price and you desperately need to fight off other suppliers who are undercutting you to gain your marketshare... just sayin'

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:18 | 5420347 BlindMonkey
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What happens when your biggest customer is a non-paying deadbeat?  It is time to bring the hammer and repo some shit.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 22:41 | 5422310 Amerikan Patriot
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Is Vlad going to huff and puff and shit himself?  Or maybe wave goodbye to a few more billion in fleeing capital investment?  Bleed some more dollars in his failing effort to prop up the ruble?  Stamp his feet as Saudi Arabia sells oil to the US on the cheap and oil - his bread and butter - falls further?

I know - he's going to harumph! around the dacha as his central bank chief yet again raises interest rates and crashes the Russian economy! 

Got any more shots of Vlad sending placid, compliant judo colleagues to the mat?  Send them on, love to see 'em!   :-)

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:31 | 5419571 101 years and c...
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WHEN stocks crash, i bet the blame/excuse will be Russia/Putin.  and the sheeple will look up from their iCrap for 3 seconds to nod along with the TOTUS.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:41 | 5419633 dracos_ghost
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Except Putin is the last Keynesian pillar. Forced credit expansion by war. Throw in creative destruction and any other evil economist euphemism and it's SPX 10000

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:36 | 5419597 Toxicosis
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OBAMA be like the most powerful man on the planet,

Epic FUCKING STUPIDITY LULZ BITCHEZZ!!!!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:37 | 5419604 PartysOver
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When Putin tires of O's bullcrap things will get serious I sadly think.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 22:43 | 5422316 Amerikan Patriot
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Who will clean up the mess when Vlad shits himself in an apoplectic fit, Bob - Lavrentiy Beria? 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:54 | 5419702 LostandFound
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War in Ukraine, crushes Russias stocks and currency? lol, any excuse. Russia is going to have to retaliate, its only a matter of time. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:03 | 5420028 BrocilyBeef
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Fuck her right in the pussy!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:27 | 5420387 Harrison
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Looks like ZeroHedge picked the wrong side to pump for.

Remember, buy Russian stocks, they're cheap thanks to sanctions!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:20 | 5420662 Canary Paint
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I wish we would finally just stop fucking with the Russians. Putin has more... uh... of some quality I can't quite name than any a basketful of Western politicians. Come on, folks. WW2 casualty statistics are all you need to figure out that you don't fuck with these folks. Geez... Apparently, power must always extend itself to arrogance. There is no other reason to fuck with the Russians. And by saying that I don't mean to imply some massive retaiation from them. I think Putin and his strategists are smart enough to know that a broken window is just plain broken.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:26 | 5419550 world_debt_slave
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the proxy continues, bitchez

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:40 | 5419615 TahoeBilly2012
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What's a few dead babies and kids in a proxy war, right? Lob a few shells around town just to keep the game going.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:28 | 5419555 pods
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Must be the Nuland reinforcement weapons were finally shipped?

pods

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:40 | 5419622 TahoeBilly2012
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The dreaded "cookie launcher".

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:06 | 5420047 BrocilyBeef
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Launch the speculoos!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:28 | 5419557 Werekoala
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Oh MH-17, where art thou?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:29 | 5419568 LULZBank
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Firmly planted up the midgets ass and he wouldn't even spill the beans.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:50 | 5419673 agent default
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All jokes and smartassery aside, the Russian army is perfectly capable of undertaking a large scale offensive operation against NATO  along the entire Eastern European border with Russia.  Can NATO resist such an attack?  Don't even think the US will get materially involved in such an occasion either.  The US will not risk 300KT on every major city center to save Europe.  At best they will get a supporting speech from the teleprompter guy.  Like Nuland said, fuck Europe.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:52 | 5419682 LULZBank
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But not enough fuel, on either side, to undertake a suatained large scale mobilisation and offensive.

It will be proxy wars from here on out, or God forbid, setting of nukes being the worst case scenario.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:03 | 5419724 agent default
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What?  Russia is self sufficient in fuel.  A preemptive nuclear strike even if only attacked by conventional weapons, has been part of the official Russian defense policy and doctrine for something like five years now.  If you drop a single JDAM on them they are perfectly willing to shoot several SS18s in your general direction. Do you realize the path the assclowns in charge of US foreign policy are taking us to?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:14 | 5419775 LULZBank
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It takes time to refine and supply fuel to the front lines, esp in a full on war situation.

You take out the enemies refining facilities and they can shuve all the self sufficient crude fuel up their ass. Just sayin, thing you need to consider.

And there is not more than a few days storage capacity of fuel within close distance to the battlefield to keep the mobilisation going.

And then there is logistics and supply lines. Modern warfare is heavily dependent on Logistics and supply lines. This is how the rag tag militants in Afghanistan can give runs to the military might of US. The militants alwayas attack the supply lines, not directly confront the US marines, maybe after they have sabotaged the supply lines.

Yes, that what I mean, it can quickly escalate to Nuke option if either side gets seriously peeved.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:47 | 5420219 Volkodav
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Afghan Freedom Fighter in Donbass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2KeSkl5H0

Most know little or nothing about Afghanistan

Afghans come fight alongside "Afgantsy" defend Donbass

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:22 | 5420361 BlindMonkey
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"Yes, that what I mean, it can quickly escalate to Nuke option if either side gets seriously peeved."

 

It can only end in nuke war.  Neither side can afford to lose and will burn the world to prevent it.  That is why it is so VERY MOTHERFUCKING IMPORTANT that it doesn't start.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:29 | 5419559 insanelysane
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Timing is pretty coinky-dink to me.  Wonder what was in the fine print when we agreed to pay for Ukraine's gas debt.  After all .gov wouldn't have wanted this going on after they laughed at a candidate that said Russia was still a thread.  Silly old people living in the past.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:21 | 5420095 JR
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“Binyamin Netanyahu is notorious for staging Israeli acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing to correspond with major news events elsewhere in the world. In 1989, he famously claimed that the massacre of Chinese dissidents at Tianamen Square was a missed opportunity for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza. During the summer of 2014, the downing of MH-17 in the Ukraine and Israeli attack on Gaza were manipulated in tandem with each other. The rush to judgment which [George] Weigel helped orchestrate from his bully pulpit at National Review Online led to the imposition of new sanctions on Russia. Once the sanctions were imposed, the MH-17 story stopped being covered by the mainstream media, and the world’s attention shifted to the atrocities in Gaza. Less than a month after MH-17 had been shot down, the story had disappeared from the mainstream media. In many ways, the disappearance of the story was more mysterious than the disappearance of the airplane from traffic controllers’ radar screens.” – E. Michael Jones, Culture Wars

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:31 | 5420141 Volkodav
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part was clear Donbass population for Chevron and new settlements....

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:28 | 5419562 Theta_Burn
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Elections over, time to roll those sleeves up and get to work..

Mysterious explosions on deck....

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:47 | 5419664 LULZBank
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Tell Vladimir, I'll have even more flexibility after losing the mid term elections.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:57 | 5419712 Theta_Burn
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Now thats funny LULZ..

To the point, and your correct, nobodys coming to help, especially our fearless readerTM....

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:30 | 5419563 AdvancingTime
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As time goes by Putin continues to rack up more points in the Ukraine as the conflict drags on. Things may have quieted down and the eyes of the world have moved to more pressing issues, as Putin is playing the long game by grinding away at the resolve of both bankrupt Kiev and the EU. A recently signed deal for gas supplies to Ukraine only highlights the fact the devil of any agreement is in the details.

The Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said any resumed supplies could be halted again on Jan. 1 if Ukraine doesn’t pay $3.1 billion in debt prepay for future deliveries. It appears this deal is tenuous and the guarantees of it being fulfilled are weak .Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that may cost Russia little. If Putin doesn't get his way next week he will next month or next year at the latest. The article below delves into why this conflict won't be over until Putin says its over.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/putin-scores-more-points-in-ukraine.html

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:34 | 5419585 disabledvet
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I think this is the real deal. I get the feeling major announcements are coming from the White House and the new Senate Majority.

"The phoney/funny war" has ended.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:29 | 5419565 order66
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Currency Crashing, Proxy Wars, Zero Inflation, Global Recession, Crashing Commodities.

Dude, time to get longer.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:28 | 5419840 Quonk
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...need to get plenty long to be in position for the Wile E. Coyote moment...vaguely aware of the cliff behind and breathlessly contemplating all the open space below.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 22:26 | 5422263 conscious being
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Wile E. Coyote cliff moment for the unacculturated

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=_d8ROhH3_vs

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:32 | 5419577 Jack Burton
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I haven't checked the sources this morning. But large scale fighting was underway in many places before this announcement of full scale war. Rebels and Ukie army both were carrying out small scale offensives. If Kiev Junta has gone "all in" today, then it is game on. Russian intelligence was out ahead of this Ukie offensive, as over 2 weeks ago they opened aid channels to the rebels that had been closed under cease fire rules. But that channel has been 100% wide open for several weeks, and large armes aid has flowed in.

For now I am out of the loop on this new news. But be sure that Kiev does nothing not approved, planned and funded in the White House. Kiev has no money at all, nothing. To fight on this scale, they have to be getting USA money, just as rebels are funded from Moscow. So YES, this is an American - Russian full scale proxy war. This is dangerous. Since both side retain mass nuclear forces.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:55 | 5419684 my_nym
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I wonder how they get the people on the ground to fight.  Because from above there's Victoria Nuland and other Jews leading the neoNazi/Nationalist street fighters, although they are antisemitic. 

I guess it's the same principle in Syria where both local and foriegn Islamic peasants and Arab tribalists have been convinced to kill each other in the interests of Zionism, yet they are antisemitic at the peasant or street fighter level.

I guess what it looks like on the ground is that goyim/tribes/factions often usually want to murder and hate each other anyway.  So perhaps the attitude of their owners is, "If they're going to kill each other anyway then it should serve our interests."  The only problem being that the owners are helping to create or setup the wars, just like the simulated wars between tribes/teams in the NBA or the NFL where the owners often share the attitude of Donald "I'm not a racist." Sterling.  Apparently Jewish tribalists cannot see their own tribalism and its impact on their ownership, controlling interest in...  or perspectives on various teams, tribes and political factions.

Shrug.  Soros wants war...  what team is he on?  Victoria Nuland wants war.  What team is she on?  Do they really have the best interests of Team Captain America, World Police for Zion in mind?  They're out advocating for more veterans benefits and not more wars, right?  They're going to make sure that the open air war memorials are not closed down due to a lack of debt/money, right?   

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:25 | 5420381 BlindMonkey
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"I wonder how they get the people on the ground to fight"

 

It ain't that hard to get a people motiviated with your Nazi opponents bomb schools and kill kids. 

 


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/11/06/teens_killed_when_shells_hi...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:34 | 5420716 my_nym
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Instead of blaming each other one side could do what the Israelis do, call it a "war on terror" and say that the terrorists were hiding in the school.

That way they could do it openly and if one of the members of the wrong tribe died.  "Oops.  We were really, really trying to save those kids and not trying to ethnically cleanse the area... or somethin'."  At least they're arguing that one side or the other did it and do not have rabbis writing pamphlets about how it's actually kosher to kill children that are not of the correct tribe, I guess. 

 Due process.  Trials.  Facts, logic, evidence. John Adams or whoever defending the Red Coats after an "Oops." massacre, where is all that?  The Founders proved that you do not necessarily have to act like a bunch of tribal animals whenever you're caught up in a pivot point of Empires or in the midst of a revolution.  Leave going tribal to the Nazi tribalists, the Zionists, the Jewish Bolsheviks or the utterly stupid goyim golem of call 911 for Team "false flag" America... etc.  They know not what they do.  Not guilty... by reason of stupidity! 

It really doesn't do any good to go tribal.  So "they" killed your kids and then you kill their kids... and all the while, who "they" are isn't necessarily even answered based on due process and facts, logic and evidence.  In war it's answered based on tribalism and "band of brothers" bullshit.  So you're probably killing or trying to kill the wrong people, yet again.  If you want to kill the people that actually killed your children and there's no government based on the rule of law and due process then form a government of one to investigate it, buy a sniper rifle and go kill the actual people that killed your children and then work your way back to the root of it all.  Or form your own militia.gov to give it all some "due process." 

Barring that, stop being stupid.... because you're just being led from one slaughter to another like the dumb goyim you are by Jewish oligarchs like Soros or the little Khaganate empire that Nuland and PNAC have set up in the American government.  (I.e... the latest proxy government of Zion.  I think there probably is a law at some higher level in the heavens.  Not guilty by reason of stupidity!  Shew.  "Father forgive them, for they know what they do."  --Karl Kraus)       

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 16:03 | 5420836 JR
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Good rant!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:56 | 5420794 JR
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@” I guess what it looks like on the ground is that goyim/tribes/factions often usually want to murder and hate each other anyway.  So perhaps the attitude of their owners is, "If they're going to kill each other anyway then it should serve our interests."

That’s banker talk. The bankers would like for everyone to throw up their hands and say, “There’s nothing that can be done about these people killing each other. You just have these factions, all evil, and that’s the way the world was made.”

Their purpose is to get their opposition to back off, i.e., “Don’t try to fight against evil. It’s inevitable.”

The truth is, the America’s Founders proved it differently. Therefore the bankers have to rewrite history, i.e., blacken the truth.

The fight is for justice, for permanent values, for real individual freedom. The fight is against  forces that are coming from one central place against these principles, trying to show that in the end there’s nothing you can do.

Americans must talk against defeatism -  push against it -  because we’re going to have to fight them and the fight is coming. One of primary lesson of this election is that the people hate the government, they hate both parties and they would like something better.

Boehner and Obama are positioning themselves with their statements.  Boehner is trying to get in front of a parade he did not lead; Obama is trying to catch up with a parade that left him. All these politicos always have a “mandate” and a made-up agenda after an election.  Always. Well, I’ve news. The rest of the world is moving in the opposite direction; the EU is falling apart; the bankers are making massive mistakes, and big trouble lies ahead.

Boehner does not stand for what the base wants. Boehner and McConnell had their voter “mandate” written before the vote came in.

What can the people do? The people can stop believing these liars (the banker talk) and start looking for ways to work together to develop an assault on this centralized tyranny -- which is what it is.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:57 | 5419711 SAT 800
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blank.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:03 | 5419730 Volkodav
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Rebels are funded by independent sources and contributions.

Moscow knows about, but not send monies

Kadyrovites took collections to help

like Chechen cash for clunkers give to Donbass

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:09 | 5419744 YHC-FTSE
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The East Ukraineans are under no illusions about who is keeping this going. They know more about Nuland and the Pentagon's stake in this than I ever will because they face the reality of fighting against the mercenaries, the western/mossad special forces and the increasingly better supplied Kiev army. One of the most disturbing things I saw in the reports/videos of skirmishes during the "ceasefire" was their terrible hatred of "us", those of us in the West who the East Ukraineans see as the instigators and puppet masters of the nutjobs in Kiev. I know they are right to be angry at the West for kicking this off and ruining their country (or what was left to ruin) and keeping this going by supplying Kiev, but I can't help wondering if they  actually know how most of us also find the actions of our own governments abhorrent. I hope they do, because I can see in their eyes the next generation of fighters I or my children may have to face when they are done with Kiev. It's all so stupid.

It's dangerous now and it will be dangerous in the future, whatever happens, whoever wins. Because the warmongering bastards have just created one more group of people who will hate me all of their lives for the actions of the pieces of shit called the Military Industrial Complex.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:09 | 5419750 Freddie
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They should have never agreed to the ceasefire.  NovoRussia could have taken Kiev.   The Ukrainian army and conscripts need to go to Kiev where the real zoligarch enemies are.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:14 | 5419772 YHC-FTSE
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From what I've seen so far, the East Ukraineans have little or no desire to go any further than their own towns and cities. I think you're right though. They could have taken Kiev and ended this for good, but this hiatus have given the sly zoligarch bastards time to regroup and resupply Kiev.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:24 | 5419823 LULZBank
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And Putin also signed the deal to supply gas to Kiev.

Oh.. the Chessplayer!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:39 | 5419902 Aaaarghh
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like he will really honor that if things get worse..lol

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:41 | 5419912 Theta_Burn
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I'd love to read that contract...

Force majeure anybody...

Or maybe a plain old fuck off

Putin getting paid.. what a chump...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:16 | 5420079 LULZBank
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He would not go against the contract.

EU's supply also depends on transit through Ukraine.

My guess. Wanna bet? :)

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:00 | 5420280 cossack55
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I'll see your 100 rubles and raise you 500 trillion Zimbabwe dollars.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:33 | 5420413 agent default
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Make that bet USD.  By the time this whole affair is over the Zimbabwe dollar will be a hard currency.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:19 | 5419764 ChiangMai
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"For now I am out of the loop on this new news."

At seeing this post, I immediately clicked my folder with several dozen RSS feeds re Ukraine — and again just now — nothing much new (regarding large movements and battles).

Here's some good news though, from yesterday — USD/UAH has been sitting at 12.95 for a while, just recently went to 13.96.

And, while I'm at it, two nice photos (among three of the slideshow) of the new DNR head's inauguration ceremony at the DNR Press Center.

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:25 | 5420121 farmboy
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I can only hope the newly created independent states start a counteroffensive against kiev and then capture the rest of ukkiestan that is worthwhile.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:33 | 5419580 kowalli
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We all know that bad things started to happen after elections, after elections in USA...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:32 | 5419581 Consuelo
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Something tells me that Mr. Putin had already 'priced-in' the election outcome...

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:33 | 5419587 Spastica Rex
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Has Ukraine received it's IMF loans, yet?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:42 | 5419629 LULZBank
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Its going through the bidding process, seems like it.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:37 | 5419599 Bell's 2 hearted
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McCain:  Dammit, can't you guys wait till i become chairman of Senate Armed Forces Committee in january?  I want to steer the bonus laden MIC contracts

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:47 | 5419666 NotApplicable
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Rest assured that the steering is already in progress.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:36 | 5419600 Son of Captain Nemo
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And what perfect timing!... 

Sure hope the Russians are only willing to dispose of that gold they possess through setting a new price independent of the CBs?!!!...

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:48 | 5419645 LULZBank
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It would be a hugely significant tell if they force Russia to cough up its Gold.

Would ring alarm bells in China also.

Also, how much time they have to get that Gold, as so far the Gold seems to be availableat these prices.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:07 | 5420042 BigJim
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Russia: OK, Germany, we want to buy lots of your excellent cars/machine tools/schnapps... but... we're locked out of the US dollar payment system. So we'll have to pay you with gold!

Germany: Yay!

Russia: The FRBNY holds lots of our bullion for us. We'll just sign over title to you and you can pick up the phyzz from them directly!

Germany: Not yay!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:37 | 5419602 Consuelo
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Part of the platform that Republicans ran on was:

- Increased projection of U.S. power abroad

- A return to U.S. geopolitical preeminence

- Increased Defense spending

'Here we go'...? 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:38 | 5419603 Duc888
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So did Hunter Biden finally man up and grab a gun and head over there?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:52 | 5419683 Global Hunter
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If by gun you meant blow and bourbon and by over there you mean rural Delaware and downtown DC then yes!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:54 | 5419689 e_goldstein
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He asked to borrow Joe's side-by-side, but Joe said the Missus was using it.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:37 | 5419605 Bioscale
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WTF is this? Ukraine nazi groups have been shelling Donetsk for all the months of the truce, yesterday hitting a school and killing 2 kids.

The Ukraine army is before collapse, all the bloody work is being done by Kolomoisky nazi guys and mercenaries from Poland and USA.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:38 | 5419608 czarangelus
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Like WWII, the Ukrainian Nazis are going to have to be fought to annihilation. And seriously Ukraine, you? You think you can be real Nazis? Holy Christ just admit you're a cheap Chinese knockoff version of Russia and accept your proper place in the world. Stop listening to America's lies about the glory you can achieve in Eastern Europe, it's going to get you all killed and the liars like Nuland and Co. won't bat an eyelash.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:28 | 5419838 my_nym
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...it's going to get you all killed and the liars like Nuland and Co. won't bat an eyelash.

 

That's certainly true.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:47 | 5419942 Nondrone 99
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Time to fight to the last drop of Goyishe blood!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:26 | 5420126 Volkodav
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Stop conflating Germans with these low IQ pollack freak canon fodder of "Red" Oligarchs control

also the slave conscripts..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSlFkUwtDk

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:38 | 5419609 RisingSun
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Just this week Lugansk terrorist republic banned women from cafes, clubs and were told that if they are seen in public cafes or clubs, they will be arrested.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/specter-of-russian-tal...

 

We are witnessing the rise of radical Russian orthodoxy "ISIS". Won't be long before music,movies, alcohol etc are banned. Not wearing the orthodox cross will be a crime next is my guess. How is that for a police state? Those phone calls that NSA traced dont seem that bad now huh?

 

About time Ukraine army took out those religious nutjobs before they turn that region into Russian Orthodox"ISIS" state.

Lugansk "ISIS" meeting on where it was announced:

http://youtu.be/zHxPZlH7Kh0

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:27 | 5419834 my_nym
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Uh huh.

 

Israelis, back of the bus...

 

Israelis, spitting.

 

Rabbis, establishing their religion.  Etc.

 

When does Team Captain America bomb or invade Israel to save them from their ISIS with more freedumb and dumbocracy?  What, you're not witnessing the rise of Jewish Orthodoxy "ISIS"  and the Jewish terrorists that everyone needs to be saved from?  Maybe that's because you're not looking for it.  It's all leaving an electronic footrpint.  No excuse for even the most ignorant and stupid goyim these days, not even you.      

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:50 | 5419961 Bankster Kibble
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That Moscow Times link seems to be broken.  You have another?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:26 | 5420071 BigJim
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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/specter-of-russian-taliban-lo...

Wikipedia:

The Moscow Times is a pro Western English-language daily newspaper published in Moscow, Russia since 1992. The paper's circulation in 2008 stood at 35,000 copies [1] and the newspaper is typically given out for free at places English-language "expats" attend, including hotels, cafés and restaurants, as well as by subscription, though it is being increasingly read by English-speaking Russians.[2] It is not available at newsstands.[3] The newspaper regularly publishes articles by prominent Russian journalists, many of whom take critical positions towards the current Russian government.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:23 | 5420106 Volkodav
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Moscow Times is terrible.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 14:59 | 5420577 Freddie
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Let me guess.  A rag that is financially backed by Soros and that overrated chess player who Magnus Carlsen kicked his ass when Magnus was 12 years old and who Bobby Fishcer would have destroyed?

Not to be confused with Spassky or Karpov who are gentlemen and real Russians.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 19:11 | 5421642 StychoKiller
Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:40 | 5419611 Doubleguns
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Gas deal between Russia and Ukraine signed, Back to war mode now. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:07 | 5419742 Winston Churchill
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Thats what Force Majeure clause are for.

Go long Ukrainian lumber.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:02 | 5420592 Freddie
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Lumber to make coffins?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 19:12 | 5421649 StychoKiller
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Nay, firewood, you one-note songstress!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 19:14 | 5421650 StychoKiller
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Nay, firewood, you one-note songstress! [edit} - Blast it, the website had a hiccup!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:44 | 5419620 SheepDog-One
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Stawk seems confused so far.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:41 | 5419623 Panic Mode
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Someone is really pissed off because he lost his fried chicken.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:42 | 5419628 Eagle Keeper
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OK children, everyone will get a trophy when it's over.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:42 | 5419630 vote_libertaria...
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So were the attacks better...than...EXPECTED!!!???

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:41 | 5419632 FreeShitter
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Elections over.....que Ebola, Ukaine, ISIS

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:43 | 5419648 royal
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If the US/Banks are going to implement sanctions on Russia and short the Ruble, then what precisely does Vlad have to lose by going ahead and invading Ukraine?

It seems to me he might as well go ahead and clean house. 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:55 | 5419701 Global Hunter
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I think the Russians are trying to present a stable but different alternative than the USA to the rest of the world especially the BRICS.  The Russians/Putin must take the high road, at least on the surface and diplomatically IMO.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:10 | 5419757 Winston Churchill
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You didn't hear Putin's speech ?

He drew a red line.

The US/Ukes just crossed it.

Most Russians mean what they say,especially so Putin.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:44 | 5419653 Bell's 2 hearted
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hold on, ruble crashing?

 

does that mean i can FINALLY afford my russian bride that ZH has been pitching?

 

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 19:16 | 5421657 StychoKiller
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Make sure to tell'em to punch holes in the box BEFORE putting the Bride inside!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:46 | 5419657 Sudden Debt
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MOM!!!!! THEY STARTED IT!

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:45 | 5419658 ClowardPiven2016
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looks like the rinos aren't waiting for January to go full bore with their real agenda

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:49 | 5419669 FreeShitter
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Mccain is having a permanent erection from now on

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:55 | 5419692 Atomizer
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McCain is a douchebag. That comes directly from (me) a conservative republican. He is a RINO working on behalf of the piss poor broken banking system. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:31 | 5419856 my_nym
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That comes directly from (me) a conservative republican. He is a RINO working on behalf of the piss poor broken banking system.

 

And everything that goes along with that. 

 

I wonder if some of that goes back to the way his crime family helped out with the USS Liberty.  I don't know. You only need to know so much about oligarchic crime families and shabat goyim apparently meeting with the Rothschilds on their yachts and so on.

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 13:20 | 5420091 Volkodav
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His Father was main covered up the USS Liberty attack.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:06 | 5420608 Freddie
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Oh it was worse than that.  McCain's old man recalled the US Navy fighter bombers (F-4s) dispatched to help save the USS Liberty.  This was on orders of LBJ Goldberg and McCain's dad.

Admiral Morrison later spoke up about it and his son Jim started having all sorts of legal problems and ends up mysteriously dead in the Jewish part of Paris.

BTW - guess who was the first to the USS Liberty to offer medical aid to the crew?  The Russians.  McCain's old man had the US Navy sail at a slow speed hoping all the American sailors-victims would be dead.

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:16 | 5420648 Ass Burger
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Nice. I actually circuitously came across this info when researching Jim Morrison's bio. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 15:57 | 5420785 Freddie
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Also see Dave McGowan Laurel Cnayon.

Something very weird about Jim Morrison.

They seem to like to kill people's kids to make them really suffer. Ask 95 year old or so David Rockefeller and how they whacked his son a few months ago in a plane crash.  He flew down to Maine to have dinner with his dad Satan.  My guess is this son was the only one who wanted much to do with the father.

The whole hippie music scene may have been created to kill the anti war movement.  Wars generate a lot of money.  Drugs from wars need a new culture to encourage drug use.  The See Eye Aye had been heavily experimenting with LSD.  They always want a war.  Somebody had to use all that surplus heroin floating around Indo China.

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:57 | 5419697 Atomizer
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Double post, sorry. 

 

 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:47 | 5419659 Zerdna
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Donetsk has been shelled every day since the 'truce' broke down. Schools, kindergartens, apartment buildings -- civilian casualties every day. Several other cities are shelled daily. As far as today goes, it wasn't a large scale war. Tank batallion attacked rebels near Yasinovataya. Rebels reported that all tanks were destroyed and all Ukranian army personnel killed. All is quiet on the western front. 

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 11:47 | 5419660 Zerdna
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double post

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:03 | 5419662 viedoklis_lv
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Putin regime goons who calls their self "seperatists" has broken truce about 2400 times. And that farce with "election" broke all truce deal.

For those who cheer for these nazis who call their self as "seperatists" whatch this material:

http://youtu.be/zHxPZlH7Kh0

Their leader order to his goons to arrest all women in cafe, bars, etc. and those women who got raped was responsible for that because of their behaviour.

 

A dose of reality about Ukraine:

1.) It's Putin regime goons that are in Ukraine attacking Ukranians - citizens and army. Here you can see Russian made tanks T-72B1 that are only in Russian army, with so called "seperatist" flags driving in city streets. Either it's Russia or Ukraine - both scenarious it prooves that Putin regime is attacking Ukranians using this banner of "seperatists". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7m_Ua4wFo

2.) And in this Putin regime propoganda channel material failure  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv39Lc5oSVs   you can see & hear two things:

2.1.) It's "separatists" who are shooting to Ukraine army from civilian houses and than run away from them - knowing that they are provoking reply fire and in that way puting civilians under danger.

2.2.) As you can hear - they are saying that Ukraine army is shooting GRAD when actually you can hear GRAD but no explosions, that means that actually it's separatists who are shooting GRAD and not Ukraine army. So here you go - these are the ones who are bombarding houses.

3.) Russian soldier mother recieve information that their sons are dead during training or from heart attack. Those who recieve bodies can't look at them and must be burried during night and must keep silence. No honor to those man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHE_2NTHGvo

4.) Ukranian people in order to show their honor and respect to those brave Ukranian soldiers who died when stand against Putin regime invasion - kneels and holds hands each other all the way through town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMjl1euADEg

5.) Even when at city borders are Putine regime goons and attacking Ukranians - people stand together and to show their support to country & army they gather together and sing anthem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PILstC9SfoY

 

I understand that there is infromation war and Putin regime propoganda machine is working hard to brainwash people but wow- imagine this level of lies they are injecting in people mind. In this main Putin regime TV channel they are saying that Ukraine soldiers are fighting because than they will recieve as salary 2 slaves (civilians in regions) :D Just how sick in head you have to be to make this up! :D Putin regime has taken lies to next leve - insane!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxYPdkn2apg&list=UUhO-BEEmSI_nMglyOv81K9Q

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:11 | 5419762 Winston Churchill
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Who didn't flush the crapper ?

Thu, 11/06/2014 - 12:39 | 5419895 Haus-Targaryen
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Don't care.  Putin hates the EU, and so do I.  

He could run over Santa Claus AND the Easter Bunny at the same time in a T-84 and I'd still love the guy.  

 

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