Obama's Week Just Got Worse: Supreme Court To Rule On ObamaCare Subsidies

Tyler Durden's picture

Getting 'shellacked' in the Midterms, coming 2nd to Putin as the world's most powerful person, and now, as AP reports, The Supreme Court agrees to rule on insurance subsidies in a new challenge to ObamaCare. Simply put they will judge whether subsidies for middle- and lower-income people are legal...

As AP reports,

The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a new challenge to President Barack Obama's health care law.

 

The justices on Friday say they will decide whether the law authorizes subsidies that help millions of low- and middle-income people afford their health insurance premiums.

 

A federal appeals court upheld Internal Revenue Service regulations that allow health-insurance tax credits under the Affordable Care Act for consumers in all 50 states. Opponents argue that most of the subsidies are illegal.

 

The long-running political and legal campaign to overturn or limit the 2010 health overhaul will be making its second appearance at the Supreme Court.

 

The justices upheld the heart of the law in a 5-4 decision in 2012 in which Chief Justice John Roberts provided the decisive vote.

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As Think Progress explains,

The Supreme Court announced on Friday that it would hear a lawsuit seeking to strip health care from millions of Americans.

 

The Affordable Care Act gives states a choice whether they will set up their own health exchange where consumers can buy health insurance or whether to allow the federal government to do so for them.

 

This lawsuit alleges that subsidies helping individuals buy health insurance are only available in exchanges run by a state, not by the feds.

 

If it succeeds, the likely result will be a “death spiral” where higher premiums cause healthy consumers to drop out of the insurance market, which will cause higher premiums, which will cause more consumers to drop their insurance.

 

Eventually, many states’ individual insurance markets are likely to collapse if this lawsuit prevails.

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Shizzmoney's picture

Once Hilary loses to <insert hack GOP nominee here>, Obamacare will finally be destroyed.

I lean left, and I am giddy when that happens.  Fuck the insurance industry.

SamAdams's picture

You do know that Obama Care is really Romeny Care, that is really a tax on the people?

JailBank's picture

Oh well then WTF does that matter?

Bollixed's picture

My brother just had an operation on his big toe and the team of doctors and nurses put in a titanium plate a little bigger than a postage stamp. He was looking at the bill and that little piece of metal was billed out at a whopping $9,000. That was just the price of the part, not the operation.

It seems to me we could be doing something besides Obolacare to make healthcare more affordable. Like realistic prices for the services rendered. perhaps?

Shaten's picture

the problem is he was seeing the billing rate to insurance. I had the same surgery on both my shoulders once without insurance once without. It cost me about 7000 without insurance. With insurance it still cost me 2000 but the bills they sent to the insurance company was 56000 dollars, of which there was a 52000 dollar in net discount.

 

Morale of the story the bills you see goginto insurance companines are accounting tricks, If you pay out of pocket and have enough mettle to negotiate the prices most procedures become affordable.

froze25's picture

I had the same experince for getting treated for broncitius.  Also I hope they rule so that the whole damn thing collapes under its fat obease weight.

Stackers's picture

And once again the Democrats and Progressive will try to blame "the far right" for pointing out the flaws in the law they ham fisted through Congress in an attempt to pass ANYTHING at all cost. It is the ACA's own language that makes the Federal subsides illegal.

Pool Shark's picture

 

 

Here's why ObamaCare is done:

The issue is tax credits for people who reside in states that refused to set-up health care exchanges.

To date, supporters of ObamaCare have claimed the omission of these credits to states who refuse to set-up an exchange was a mere 'drafting error.'

BULL SHIT!!!

Once the following recordings surfaced, it became obvious that the 'omission' was in fact intentional as a way to force states to implement health care exchanges:

http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/25/obamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-says

Well, many states called Obama's bluff and refused to establish exchanges.

This provision was a ticking timebomb buried in ObamaCare that will eventually sink the entire ship...

 

Nick Jihad's picture

You watch - Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg will ignore the plain language of the law.

August's picture

>>>You watch - Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg will ignore the plain language of the law.

Truly, that would be the last straw!

Just kidding.  Judges don't need no steenkin' laws.

mkkby's picture

If you idiots think brocare will be repealed, then you still don't fucking understand who has the power in USSA. 

The INSURNACE COMPANIES AND HOSPITALS WANT IT.  It wasn't passed because some asshole politician on the blue or red team wanted it.  Industry wanted it, industry WROTE IT, and they will decide what happens to it.

The red team pretends to want to repeal it because it appeals to their voters.  Just like they pretend to care about abortion and border control.   That's all bullshit, and once they have your vote they will do what industry wants.  Same as always.

GeezerGeek's picture

If the words used in the Constitution itself are subject to distortion, why in the world should we insist on any particular meaning of words in the ACA?

Remember the part of the Declaration of Independence that goes "We hold these truths to be self-evident..."?

Now it would be "Some of us occassionally think that these opinions may or may not be reasonably imaginable...".

kchrisc's picture

Yup. Both of my children were born via C-section.

The first was while I had insurance from my employer. After all of the games and fraud by the insurance company, it cost me about $2,000 out of pocket.

4 years later I was newly self-employed with no insurance. Doctor client told me how to go to the hospital and negotiate before hand for "Medicare" rates. I did so and paid $3, 000 to the hospital and $2,000 to the doctor. It was like I was my own insurance company, without the fraud and hassles.

An American, not US subject.

 

Freddie's picture

One of the best things I have seen is the Christian groups pooling insurance.  You pay $150 a month and there is a big pool.   This is what insurance is supposed to be.   You have computers, software, clerks that are being paid a decent wage and probably some administration.

Compare this to say United Healthcare HMO where the CFO with stock options made over $12 million.   Congress must have quietly told them to tone it down because it was about $40 million last year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=UNH+Profile

These Christian pooling health plans are the closest thing I have seen to what health insurance should be.

Stackers's picture

This is what insurance used to be as well, before the AMA and Insurance lobby got involved to "protect us"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72kvjDC8Cq8

FuzzyDunlop21's picture

Ive also heard of doctors selling some sort of subsription. So you would pay them every year a pre-negotiated amount, and in exchange you could go and see him/her as often as you needed to. I dont remember the cost but it was an order of magnitude cheaper than regular insurance

TruthInSunshine's picture

Yes, that's called "concierge medical service," and it's not just for wealthy people.

People agree to pay a physician or group of physicians direct payments, bypassing insurance altogether.

TruthInSunshine's picture

There is NO way SCOTUS rules the individual mandate as invalid/unconstitutional/otherwise unenforceable.

To do so would be akin to harming big Insurance, big Pharma AND big Corporations/Employers in general - forcing individuals into buying their one health insurance and then dealing them skyrocketing prices year after year on monthly premiums, annual deductibles, co-pays on meds and Dr visits, procedures and tests, etc. - is good for BIG BUSINESS all around.

Look at this: Obamacare architect leaves White House for pharmaceutical industry job

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lo...

So, the left-right paradigm marches on.

Left, Right
Left, Right
Bang! Bang!
Fuck you!

all-priced-in's picture

My daughter was in the hospital for three weeks - almost died - she is fine now.  

She was having trouble breathing - they gave her several treatments using a drug similar to albuterol.

The cost of the just the drug was over $20,000 - the insurance company allowed $1,200. Which is the amount she will have to pay.

$20K for the drugs - but willing to accept $1,200. These fuckers need to be punched in the face.

 

My wife had some lab work done - 4 different tests - the bill came - it was $900 total. Insurance company allowed between $10 and $25 per test - total we had to paid was $70 something.

One test was billed at $575 the insurance company allowed $25. What sort of business charges $575 for something - but is willing to accept $25 as full payment? How could anyone even come up with such a stupid fucking way to charge people? The people that are involved with this need to be punched in the face.  

 

 

I went in to get a flu shot - it was "covered" under my insurance -  cost to me = zero.

3 months later I get a bill for $33 for the flu shot - I called and explained it was covered by insurance - they agree no charge - 3 months later I get another bill for $33 - I call explain it is covered - they agree  - 3 months later get a bill for $33 - I call and explain it was covered they agree -

 

I recently went in and got a flu shot - it was covered by my insurance - no charge to me - a few weeks later I got a $33 bill for last years flu shot -  These fuckers need a good punch in the face.

 

 

My health insurance is on automatic payment - BC/BS just takes the money out of my bank account on the first of every month.

I still get an invoice (with a return envelope included)  from them every fucking month - telling me I need to pay them - I get this bill a few weeks before the due day - the money gets taken from my checking account just like it should - but if the first of the month falls on a Saturday or Sunday the charge hits my account the next Monday morning. So then I get a notice that I need to pay my health insurance premium immediately or I will lose coverage. But by the time I get this notice - a week later - the money has already been deducted from my account. I call them and they say - don't worry about it is just how the system works.

You know what these fuckers need don't you? That's right a punch in the face.

I offer to allow them to deduct the money a few days before the due date - but they can't do that - so it is just a PITA.    

Our health care system is totally fucked up. The insurance companies, the hospitals, the government, the drug companies and even many of the doctors - all fucked up all need a good punch in the face. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UggSmash's picture

I'm likin' this "punch in the face" theme. 

Budd aka Sidewinder's picture

Yup.  There's not anything wrong in this world that a few ass whippins won't solve

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

May I respectfully suggest you read the package insert before you receive your next flue shot as to its efficacy. The immunity is not as strong as receiving wild virus nor does it last long requiring yearly boosters. Also their are other components in this shot that should not be injected into any human. I have a severe adjuvant allergy after receiving 2 flu shots. Far worse than actually having flu. I have read some research that autoimmune conditions can result from what has happened to me especially if squalene is used.

Injecting proteins into muscle is not the way we naturally contract flu and it risks forming antibodies to the other components. I am still seeing cases of 2009H1N1 in our population though it has been included in the annual flu shot for years.

I take care of my health, eat nutritious food, exercise regularly in nature, do yoga, take no medication and don't get a yearly flu shot. Sure, it was bloody hell getting 2009 swine flu but the immunity will last far longer, even with some antigenic shift.

Unfortunately, healthcare today doesn't have your health in its focus. It wants you to take pills for problems that have alternative solutions, undergo billable procedures whether warranted or not, and do yearly screenings ( such as mammograms) that our questionable in value and in some cases may be harmful. Tread down this path with caution. And this is coming from someone working in the belly of the beast.

Miffed

Dakota Kid's picture

Anyone that gets a flu shot has a death-wish. Read the package insert, not the patient info sheet. Also, the polio vaccine was contaminated with the sv-40 virus that causes cancer. They want to kill as many of us as possible.

http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/tragic-mistake-or-deliberate-plan-30-mil...

 

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/esp_salud33u.htm

Crabshacker's picture

My wife had to go to the emergency room, fucking $300.00 for 2 aspirin.

I'm gonna set up an aspirin stand on their sidewalk and low ball em' at 200

XitSam's picture

And you'll get arrested, prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license, then sent back to jail for several years. "But the drug store sells asprin." you'll say. And the prosecutor will laugh in your face. But I symphatize, really I do.

Maybe the medical-insurance complex should start having some banker-style suicides?

localsavage's picture

If it is a tax as they have said and taxes can be tiered by amount earned then why would we think that they will not rule in favor?

SamAdams's picture

The government needs your money to pay interest on the fake debt.  Congress excluded themselves from the tax.  The Supreme Court is a joke that has voted against the Constitution.  As they say, "Hope in one hand and xxxx in the other, see which fills up first." 

Save_America1st's picture

and if it is a "tax"...which the government did not want it to be labeled as or officially called (which is what Justice Roberts did to it), then we shouldn't even need the court to rule on this fucking thing anymore, right?  

 

Congress has the power to tax (unfortunately), which means they also have the power to revoke a tax.  All those scumbags need to do is bannish the individual mandate tax.  It's the keystone to that entire fucking law, right? 

Once the tax is bannished, the whole fucking thing collapses on itself. 

However...at the same time I think we all agree this law was meant to fail big time eventually so that the Gov-scum could then step in and say, "Ah hah...you see?  Private insurance is a failure.  We need single payer Gov-scum insurance instead.". 

So on the flip-side they may be setting this whole thing up to nationalize it. 

Seems like we're damned if we kill this thing and damned if we don't kill it.  We may also need a law that bans the government from nationalising health care no matter what. 

FUBAR situation for sure.

SamAdams's picture

Interesting, but no.  They are moving system to private, fascist control.  Where the government enforces the agenda of corporations.  Corporations controlled by cl a shareholders and cherry picked boards.  Fascist socialism sold as free capitalism.  The lie is getting harder to sell regardless of how ignorant the universities try to make the new generations.  These kids are waking up, and they are going to burn this mother down.  Twenty years, tops....

0b1knob's picture

Sometimes it seems like congress passed Obamacare without even reading it first.

Oh wait....

kowalli's picture

Sometimes it seems like   Obamacare passed without even congress.

oh wait...

LordEffingtonThreeSticks's picture

His name is ROMNEY.  Yes it is a tax.  And it is not health insurance.  It is a health loan. 

 

If you ever make shift to a higher tax bracket you have to pay some of it back.  It's a hideous creation.

Teamtc321's picture

You got it all wrong, Obolo Care Is All Bush''s Fault!!!!!

SamAdams's picture

Thank you for your reprimand.  Nine of my fingers promise never to make another typo...

Ying-Yang's picture

Great case to watch.....

The LAW is the law right? /s

Robert's shitting in his robe hoping he is not the tie breaker.

If he does it twice it won't be so nice!

nodhannum's picture

If Roberts doesn't want his personal past life exposed by the "annointed one's" secret police he damned better know how to vote.

froze25's picture

From what I understand it has something to do with his two adopted children being from Irerland or something to that extent.  In short it was an illegal adoption and that is what they are holding over his head.

XitSam's picture

The law is whatever SCOTUS says it is, and the traitor Robers will make sure the subsidy is upheld.

drendebe10's picture

SCOTUS is a rea life kaptain kangaroo court..... buncha overprivileged, overpaid, self righteous overblow windbags with no clue of their responsility to uphold and protect the constitution.  How the FUK can tax paying US citizens be TAXED for a product they DON'T buy.....  FUKU Kennedy you fossilized mush brained old fart......  time to lock nd load...

Nick Jihad's picture

That's the simple truth. They ignore things that the constitition spells out in black and white, but stuff that "emanates from the penumbras" is effectively inviolable.

ParkAveFlasher's picture

If it wasn't bad enough, Friday night is Wookie Night!

Skateboarder's picture

If you're not using an entirely separate set of pipes from end to end, with operating systems that don't have backdoors, and hardware that doesn't have backdoors, you can't really say you're running on a separate network than the "normal web."

seek's picture

...or Tor is compromised. There has been reports of a of iffy nodes popping up, a few wouldn't be an issue but more than that and it is.

In any case between the less-than-certain security of Tor and the wealth of tools and/or outright lawbreaking of the Feds, I think it's safe to say that there's no reliable secure and anonymous pathways on the net right now.

On the bright side they seem to be lazy, so if you go dark on the net you probably greatly reduce the odds of being "discovered" as a profit source for the prison-industrial complex.

graymnzrc's picture

Tor has been comprimised for years. The communication channel leaks your real ip address in flash and other plugins.

 

The only way to save healthcare in the U.S. is to go to an all cash system. If you aint got it, you dont get it. You want insurance? Buy it on the open market (accross state lines) then.

 

Worst argument I ever heard on TV was Dean saying we shouldn't allow Health Insurance accross state lines because he didnt want some guy in Texas determining his policy. Well if you dont like that policy go somewhere else you schmuck! The interviewer never called him on it.

 

No politician has the balls or brains to try to do it though.

Nick Jihad's picture

If Tor was really compromised, there are a lot of much bigger sites that would have been taken down.But compromised exit nodes, combined with SSL/TLS bugs that have been exposed recently, such as Heartbleed and GotoFail, could have allowed the feds to set up man-in-the-middle attacks.

asscannon101's picture

^^This^^

Which is why- whenever I am online- I am always protected by my impenetrable bubble of internet porn. Constantly surrounded by an amorphous cocoon of thick, greasy POV action I can be probed by the most sophisticated systems and all they get is a fistful of cyber-spooge. Yeah, buddy...

froze25's picture

Oh thats great I so sick of non-federal sponsored drug dealers making profits un-authorized by the powers that be.  Thank God the Optium fields of Afganistan are still up and suppling the CIA with much needed funding.  A victory for the war on "people" I mean drugs.

Dr. Engali's picture

We all know how this will turn out, Roberts has shown his true colors.

NoDebt's picture

You and I seriously have to work on not saying the same exact same thing (see below).  Barring that, should we take turns?  Or maybe alternate days when we post?

Plus I posted before you, but it still put your post above mine.  Look at the date stamp.  Weird.  Like you've got a Zero Hedge Prime membership or something.