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Putin Signs Secret Pact To Crush NATO
Submitted by Marin Katusa via Casey Research,
Back on September 11 and 12, there was a summit meeting in a city that involved an organization that most Americans have never heard of. Mainstream media coverage was all but nonexistent.
The place was Dushanbe, the capital of Tajikistan, a country few Westerners could correctly place on a map.
But you can bet your last ruble that Vladimir Putin knows exactly where Tajikistan is. Because the group that met there is the Russian president’s baby. It’s the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), consisting of six member states: Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.
The SCO was founded in 2001, ostensibly to collectively oppose extremism and enhance border security. But its real reason for being is larger. Putin sees it in a broad context, as a counterweight to NATO (a position that the SCO doesn’t deny, by the way). Its official stance may be to pledge nonalignment, nonconfrontation, and noninterference in other countries’ affairs, but—pointedly—the members do conduct joint military exercises.
Why should we care about this meeting in the middle of nowhere? Well, obviously, anything that Russia and China propose to do together warrants our attention. But there’s a whole lot more to the story.
Since the SCO’s inception, Russia has been treading somewhat softly, not wanting the group to become a possible stalking horse for Chinese expansion into what it considers its own strategic backyard, Central Asia. But at the same time, Putin has been making new friends around the world as fast as he can. If he is to challenge US global hegemony—a proposition that I examine in detail in my new book, The Colder War—he will need as many alliances as he can forge.
Many observers had been predicting that the Dushanbe meeting would be historic. The expectation was that the organization would open up to new members. However, expansion was tabled in order to concentrate on the situation in Ukraine. Members predictably backed the Russian position and voiced support for continuing talks in the country. They hailed the Minsk cease-fire agreement and lauded the Russian president’s achievement of a peace initiative.
However, the idea of adding new members was hardly forgotten. There are other countries which have been actively seeking to join for years. Now, with the rotating chairmanship of the organization passing to Moscow—and with the next summit scheduled for July 2015 in Ufa, Russia—conditions could favor the organization’s expansion process truly taking shape by next summer, says Putin.
To that end, the participants in Dushanbe signed documents that addressed the relevant issues: a “Model Memorandum on the Obligations of Applicant States for Obtaining SCO Member State Status,” and “On the Procedure for Granting the Status of the SCO Member States.”
This is extremely important, both to Russia and the West, because two of the nations clamoring for inclusion loom large in geopolitics: India and Pakistan. And waiting in the wings is yet another major player—Iran.
In explaining the putting off of a vote on admittance for those countries, Putin’s presidential aide Yuri Ushakov was candid. He told Russian media that expansion at this moment is still premature, due to potential difficulties stemming from the well-known acrimony between India and China, and India and Pakistan, as well as the Western sanctions against Iran. These conflicts could serve to weaken the alliance, and that’s something Russia wants to avoid.
Bringing longtime antagonists to the same table is going to require some delicate diplomatic maneuvering, but that’s not something Putin has ever shied away from. (Who else has managed to maintain cordial relationships with both Iran and Israel?)
As always, Putin is not thinking small or short term here. Among the priorities he’s laid out for the Russian chairmanship are: beefing up the role of the SCO in providing regional security; launching major multilateral economic projects; enhancing cultural and humanitarian ties between member nations; and designing comprehensive approaches to current global problems. He is also preparing an SCO development strategy for the 2015-2025 period and believes it will be ready by the time of the next summit.
We should care what’s going on inside the SCO. Once India and Pakistan get in (and they will) and Iran follows shortly thereafter, it’ll be a geopolitical game changer.
Putin is taking a leadership role in the creation of an international alliance among four of the ten most populous countries on the planet—its combined population constitutes over 40% of the world’s total, just short of 3 billion people. It encompasses the two fastest-growing global economies. Adding Iran means its members would control over half of all natural gas reserves. Development of Asian pipeline networks would boost the nations of the region economically and tie them more closely together.
If Putin has his way, the SCO could not only rival NATO, it could fashion a new financial structure that directly competes with the IMF and World Bank. The New Development Bank (FKA the BRICS Bank), created this past summer in Brazil, was a first step in that direction. And that could lead to the dethroning of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency, with dire consequences for the American economy.
As I argue in The Colder War, I believe that this is Putin’s ultimate aim: to stage an assault on the dollar that brings the US down to the level of just one ordinary nation among many… and in the process, to elevate his motherland to the most exalted status possible.
What happened in Tajikistan this year and what will happen in Ufa next summer—these things matter. A lot.
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Putin and his cohorts lotsa yammerin, yammerin, yammerin without much action are equivalent to the arrogant narcissistic fudge packer in chief's red lines in the sand...
Who's ganging-up on whom?
Could this be related to Victoria Nuland / US State Department and Soros funded coup in the Ukraine?
Central bankers are collapsing NATO. They are almost there.
So....are "we" (NATO) the bad guys or are 'they' (SCO) the black hat guys?
<I'm so confused. Maybe CNN can tell me what to think.>
Yes
I would guess it is Mongolia that is beggging the most to be in the club.
obama just three putted.
from the rough
Vladimir Putin’s Russia: Perfect Foil To The Anglo-American Axis And Their New World ‘Order’CogDis asked:
A better source for "guidance" on these complex issues would be those who instruct CNN regarding what you should be told to think. For instance, the Legatum Institute recently held a wonderfully helpful forum about The Menace of Unreality: Combatting Russian Disinformation in the 21st Century, which provided clarity for those seeking to think properly.
Lots of important people were there, and they said important things, so you know it was a very mattering event.
The more mattering the important people are the better I feel about thinking as they instruct me to think.
<Was that considered an original thought?>
The takeaway from that forum... watch more CNN. Problem of cogdis solved!
Sorry, but the last time my brain came back from the laundry, all the wrinkles were misplaced!
Smersh NATO!
No need for action. Why do anything when your adversary persists in destroying himself?
How dare anyone try to take away the American Imperial Righteous Indespensible Exceptional privledge of the US Dollar. Only we decide what the price stickers at Walmart will say. Time for a 3rd Pro American song during baseball games, to go with the 2nd one we added after 9-11.
This means war!
You do realize when the dollar get torched we will all get totally reamed, right? I dislike the bankers as much as the next guy, but once this bitch goes tits up, you'll see savagery on the North American continent.
See comment #1.
Only for those blessed with living in or near the multicultural Meccas of the US.
The dwellers of the Heartland are on highly defensible real estate and have a common cultural bond.
Maybe the American Fuhrer can polish his Nobel Peace Prize as a response to these actions.
Instead of another song, maybe they should have each player recite "The Pledge of Allegience" first time through the lineup as they come to the plate?
Instead of another song, maybe they should have each player recite "The Pledge of Allegience" first time through the lineup as they come to the plate?
At least we are not poor fucked Russians who are soon going to have to pay a month's salary for a meal again.
Hey Vladimir, if you don't sell that natural gas, your oligarchs aren't going to have any money coming in to steal, and your serfs are gonna starve.
You're mixed up. The worst of the oligarchs are either gone to London, gone to Israel, in jail or dead. Putin is more like Robin Hood. You know, take from the rich thieves and give it back to the people.
Putin has been good for Russia
At least he ain't fudge pack'n and stupid. Putin talks the talk and walks the walk. Feminized Merican's don't know how to handle someone like Putin.
Its the estrogen in the water supply.
Indeed. Poor Pooty-Poot is probably going to get whacked soon by his buddies for wrecking their travel plans and devaluing their bank accounts.
How embarrassing for him, Putin's being beaten by OBAMA?!?!? Up next, entire Russian Navy surface fleet gets sunk by American Girl Scout troop, story at 11. . . .
If Putin gets whacked, it's going to be from the CIA not his own people
And the guy who takes his place is going to be very, very angry. DC and NYC will take incoming.
What a funny title.
Putin plotting to destroy NATO is like my dog chasing a Mack truck.
Not really. Nato is just the US military providing security to europe... at the price of obedience. Other than the US and UK, none of them can field a 5 minute defense.
Russia + China rivals that now, and in 30 years China will be the mack truck. If they succeed in removing dollar reserve status, the US becomes the chasing dog overnight.
That's some stupid shit right there. Russia and China don't have the tech to even play on the same field as NATO. If they did Pooty Poot wouldn't be screaming about his nukes. (Here's a hint, that puts him in the same arena as N Korea)
And have you ever seen German special forces? German Artillery? Both are top of the line, almost unmatched anywhere in the world...
Ever see a Russian dog?
Funny part is, Putin needs to do almost nothing except to prepare for the self-inflicted American collapse. That shouldn't be too hard, considering he already took the most important steps. The entertainment value of such a show would be nothing short of awesome... especially when watched on a China made HDTV (or UHDTV) set...
drendebe10 got down voted but he has a point. Unless Putin and the other participats are ready to take direct military action this is nothing more than theater or a group of potential trade partners having friendly talks. Putin cannot even take direct action in EUkrain.
And if this is all it took why did Russia not gather a group before Iraq2, Libya, Syria. No attention will be paid until one of them shoot down NATO or US planes in the ME and bomb the Israel/CIA creation ISIS.
Now that the above mentioned countries (and others) have been overrun, Putin needs more countries to put out there to take the attention of Israel/CIA. And since Iran could be next of the list maybe Putin does not let them in to avoid being look to for help.
Syria, with Russian equipment, already shot down a NATO plane, that invaded their airspace. Look it up.
Syria has old Russian equipment. Putin agree to sell the modern systems to both Syria and to Iran and then, out of fear of the reactions of US/Israel, Putin cancelled the agreement.
Syria did not shoot down a NATO plane, Look it up.
Now Syria' airspace is open game to the west and Syria is afraid to react and gets no help from Russia. There are plans, now being discussed openly, for the west to take the bombing of Syria to all new levels, including bombing Syria's army directly.
Why would Putin/Russia want to take over the deadbeat country of Ukraine? It would be like assuming yer alcoholic Brother's Mortgage and credit card debts.
Tasty title. I was duped to clicking on it.
"Putin Signs Secret Pact To Crush NATO"There is, of course, nothing sinister about SCO and there was no 'secret pact' - at least that the article bothered to explain. OK, maybe I'm too dim and missed that part even after a second reading (moving my lips and bobbing up and down in my chair after each sentence). There's the post-BRICS thing and trade pacts. Joint military exercises. [Yawn...] That's IT??
The Crush NATO part was the part I really wanted to see. New and more frightening weapons of mass destruction? Hidden tunnels? Astral projection attacks by Soviet clones of Dick Cheney? FFS, TELL ME!
Sorry, but at the end of the article: NOTHING. The pact and method of NATO's destruction remains a secret.
That's six minutes of my life I'll never get back. I feel like I was suckered into picking up the latest copy of the National Enquirer in the supermarket checkout line for a quick read on the "Finally! Proof Positive that Hillary is a Reptilian," only to be disappointed by a poorly photoshopped image of the vertical slits in her eyes when she blinks.
The point is that this new alliance of a military, economic and diplomatic nature will be a colossal counterbalance to western influence in the world. If the potential new members do actually join in, then this alliance headed by China economically and Putin diplomatically and militarily will encompass a gigantic number of people, land, natural resources, industrial output, global market share etc etc etc. In fact NATO will look a bit puny if (and I think there definetely is an IF here) this alliance ever materializes. I agree that the use of the word "secret" is misleading. But what the writer wanted to convey is that this alliance is being formed under the radar as much as possible.
Moreover, do not forget what Brezyinsky himself has clearly stated: "He who controls Eurasia, controls the World"
dalitis Give me a break " Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan." Have you been to any of these places???? Yes, they have updated their attack donkeys and camels. Not much else.
China isn't going to get involved with NATO. They will sit back and enjoy the free gas from Russia and
work to be the influence in Asia.
"...But what the writer wanted to convey is that this alliance is being formed under the radar as much as possible..."
I'm no journalist, but how about something more representative of the content like "Shanghai Cooperation Organization efforts continue; largely ignored by West"
The fact that this somehow threatens NATO is debateable and needs to be backed up by something with more meat than "There's some really big countries and economies involved".
NATO was essentially dead an only resurrected for the specific purpose of 1) a weak attempt to legitimize otherwise illegal aggression against much smaller, powerless countries under false pretenses, and 2) to piss off Russia. It serves no purpose for citizens of the United States or any of it's members.
"...Moreover, do not forget what Brezyinsky himself has clearly stated: "He who controls Eurasia, controls the World"..."
I have a better recollection of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits using the U.S. military for the purpose of interfering with the soverign rights of other countries if we are not at war with them. A congressionally-authorized war waged specifically for the purpose of defending the citizens of the United States from direct aggeression.
There is nothing in my constitution about allowing paranoia-induced delusions of security to drive preemptive military or economic destruction or infiltrating/overthrowing other governments to install U.S.-approved puppets. You're thinking of the Israeli constitution.
Actually, I personally think NATO was kept alive strictly as a captive market for warmaking products from BAE, Marconi, Breda, Dassault, Thyssen Krupp, Herstal etc. along with the usual suspects of Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, etc.
But of course, using all that hardware guarantees that more will have to be bought, and what better way than bombing third world countries to advance the goals of the Deep State?
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What's everbodys' beef?
Hillary is a Reptilian???
Too high of a life form.
More like psychopathic pond scum.
Look at her ankles...
They ain't human, I tell you.
"Sorry, but at the end of the article: NOTHING. The pact and method of NATO's destruction remains a secret."
It's just a plug for his new book "The Colder War"...
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RIPS....I would add.....learn to bowhunt and trap. There may come a day in which ammo is outlawed or the implements to reload ammo.
Invest in a good hunting grade airgun.
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I've harvested squirrel, raccoon, rabbit and dove on my 5 acres of heaven all with an old Crosman Match grade air gun.
Oh....yeah.....invest in good neighbors too. In good times or bad....it's who you know....not what you know.
If you need to hunt for food a gun is the last thing you should use. Cages and poisons work far better then any fur trap or loud slug thrower.
Fishing also works with explosives. If you need to hunt for food you arnt in a position to play games of sport.
Airguns are quiet, and can be tuned to be very powerful. It's true you can't re-use the ammo, though.
if steath is your goal go with a crossbow and lots of bolts (and/or learn how to make them) you can kill a squirrel or anything up to a moose and you can retrieve your ammunition... air guns not so much
Everyone should know how to build the six primitive traps:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/kentucky/2006/10/six-primit...
Practice until you are successful with each.
What about those rifles with the flatter trajectory and high fps. What caliber is that?
Learn one of three languages: Portuguese, Russian or Cantonese.
India and South Africa speak English as a second language.
hehe.
Go Vlad! Get rid of it, we won't have to pay for it anymore!
It's either Pakistan OR India, but not both. Too many territory disputes between the two.
Possibly, but what if they both see a common threat? There's plenty of time to kill each other over borders later.
Yes this is pure garbage.
India and Pakistan have been more or less continuously at war since independence.
China now occupies a third of the Kashmir, claimed by both of the above, and China has never trusted Russia, or vice versa. No Ebola news? Flounder is doing a great job.
I don't think the members of the SCO are going to be all palsy-walsy. The fact that they're even in the same room with each other should force us in the US to reflect deeply, however.
Using your brainless analysis, let's look at Nato. Is anybody really friends with Turkey? France doesn't trust or cooperate with anybody else, especially their big boy neighbor Germany.
Greece? That's about as significant as the former soviet "stans".
Most of them constantly bicker, and other than the UK none can field an effective army. Most are in dire economic striaits -- Italy, Spain, France especially -- and the euro union could break up any time.
NATO = USA .......no more no less - all else is window dressing !
I was talking about the SCO. You seem to be talking about NATO. Different things.
You don't think countries other than the US are capable of ginning up external threats to increase their defense spending?
Try another line of thought.
It will be Pakistan. Moronic India always view China antagonistically and had recently signed agreement with Vietnam to sell them navy vessels as well as to drill for oil and gas in the disputed South China Sea.
Yes, but notice that border skirmshes, which used to happen with great regularity, have all but stopped since Pakistan acquired nuclear weapons. Just as the Soviet acquisition of nuclear weapons forces Washington to talk to Moscow and seek detente, so something similar is happening between New Delhi and Islamabad.
They (border skirmishes) still happen every few days, but because they are "dog bites man" stories, you'll need to read the Times of India to keep score.
India bookends its border issues by periodically echanging harsh words with China (who likes to set up scout stations on Indian territory).
This "secret" group is going to be more fun than the Keystone Cops. Even someone as incompetent as Obama can handle this, if he were to give it a moment's thought.
What if,"When a US delegate once confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded with a heavily-loaded sarcastic remark: "Pakistan is our Israel".".
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2010/10/20101028135728235512.html
Putin's Trump Card?
Stand For Delivery at Comex.
Crimex Crashes. ZOG in Disarray. Dollar Exposed & Done.
Putin Wins.
The Comex is irrelevant. It is tiny. It is a joke.
the Forex market trades more XAU in a day than the Comex delivers in a year.
If you want to see where gold is priced look at the biggest (by a factor of 10) market on the planet.
Watching the Comex is a waste of time. If there is a delivery failure they will go to the Forex, sell off a few tons, drive the price to $200 and settle you out in cash.
Unless you trade with billionaires you are better off buying some physical gold and waiting patiently. Let the big dogs fight over the paper gold. They know who gets what already...and it ain't going to be you.
Stand for delivery you know will never come? How's that possible with both sanctions and money locked in that will not be returned?
I don't "win" when robbers refuse to pay me back - they win.
I'm not convinced of Putin's "lone wolf" act against NATO. Since most (if not all) of the russian oligarchs are jewish, why hasn't he 1) neutralized them, 2) replaced them with ones favorable to russian nationalism (or at least non-western or zio- influences) or just re-nationalize those industries again. He could do that in his own backyard w/o having to say much to anyone else. China purges every so often when one of the high ups gets a little too jiggy (Bo Xilai).
This is not to say that NATO isn't dumb, wasteful and unnecessarily aggressive. They are. Bush I's "peace dividend" and promises to Gorby were all for naught. They are doing such a bad PR job now that Ye Olde Commies look like better business partners. The sad part for the smaller euro countries is that they only seem to get a change of Empire, not but a few years of actual self-determinism at all.
ALL the dual passports will be taken outs at the right time -the Russian people will get their assets back sooner or later when the USA THROWS THE LAST CARD. - then they get what they put up plus 10% which is
BUPKIS!
Isn't the Dushanbe Road where Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase end up in Spies Like Us? I feel like those characters are actually leading US foreign policy these days.
This movie will end a little differently, though.
Fuck the UN
Oil money is, extremely, influential at the UN.
But it's a SECRET, so don't tell anyone, okay?
Take the queens along with NATO. Be careful of their cloven hooves.
Today we live in a dollar world. Tomorrow it will be a world in which real production, and not just the ability to produce currency units, counts.
That is the world Puty is prepping for...and all the other major producers too. Why be slaves to the Fed when you can exchange goods and services with other productive people and eliminate the middle man and his obnoxious interference.
Not to mention the middleman's take on every deal, which is bankrupting the entire global finance system.
Much has been written about the powers that America has via it's dollar hegemony. The need for all other nations to produce and trade in order to earn dollars for their ability to carry on foreign trade. Like Iran, believe it or not, for Iran to import the consumer goods it's people crave, the nation of Iran, overall, must earn dollars by production, sales and trade. Only when dollars have been earned can they go to the world markets and buy. Most nations are in the same trap, oil is traded in Dollars.
America has no need to produce, trade and sell on the wrold markets like all other do. In short, American need not earn the capital it uses to buy energy and consumer goods and raw materials across the globe. All others must earn foreign exchange, i.e. dollars, to become customers of world trade. But America need NOT, instead, American can print dollars out of nothing at all, once printed, these are immediately legal tender to buy oil, gas, raw materials and all the host of consumer goods Americans are showered with from birth to death. Money printing allows the USA to import real wealth, in exchange, others get the dollars and can use them as they see fit. But in this exchange of wealth for dollars, America can export most of it's economic problems to others. Why does America basically rule the earth in 2014? Because everyone accepts that the dollar is king. All will wrok and send wealth to America for printed money subject to endless dollar devlauation. Green slips of paper, in exchange for I-Phones, Tablets, Cars, Trucks, specialty foods and wines, all the consumer good a family uses, from toys to TV, from diapers to carpeting. USA can print, others must earn. Now, does it make sense that others, those not bought off or black mailed by the USA, would seek to get out from under Dollar hegemony? Make the USA earn money to buy goods, allow others to escape fiat dollars which contain poision pills, and trade in local currencies that have real welath production behind them. Escape the deal where you must first aid the USA by buyin it's dollars, and making an exchange, where the USA skims from you, and then buy what you want. The USA is the worlds greatest Middle Man profiteer, earning by printing. It is held in place by the US Military Force, CIA murder, NSA Black Mail and assorted dirty tricks.
JB there is at least one other incentive for foreigners to use US Dollars & Take deals from US Agencies.
- Foreigners can bring their dollars to the USA & buy Property, Businesses, Homes, Buildings, highways.
- And if you own a business in the USA there are still a lot of consumers to help increase your wealth... maybe just bring your own indentured servants, extended family, have lots of kids, or use CAFTA-DR to bring in people from your home country
- Seems like the Chaos of EU, Chaos of EU Economics & Finance, Chaos of Immigration, Chaos of Human Trafficking... has all come home to the USA... as if by Design... London Financing & outsourcing now resident fulling in Wall Street... and the German Culture from WWII with Kissinger to boot.
Whitetrashistan
Yeah.... The Fed printing a trillion dollars a year was all Putin. The Saudis lowering oil prices to kill the Ruble was all Putin. The CIA training, funding, and supplying ISIS was all Putin. Vicky Nuland fucking the EU by creating a war in Ukraine and letting the Euro take the brunt of the sanctions against Russia was all Putin. Making America into a police state where charitable grandpas get arrested for feeding the poor was all Putin. The list is as long as the headlines in the ZH archives. It's all Putin's doing is it?
Seriously why the hell would he lift a finger to help the dollar's demise when it is doing it so tremendously well all by itself? Was this article written by zippity zionist zachary zeck? It sure feels like it.
You do know that not everything you "research" on the internet is true, don't you?
Something to watch, but Russia seems under serious pressure with collapsed petroleum prices. Clearly, the Saudis (with US government approval) are pulling some kind of a stunt.
I think Russia is playing for the 'long game.' Putin's recent speech I think pretty well indicates that Russia is plenty capable of fending off existential threats, but is not in any position to project much power outside of Eurasia.
"Russia is plenty capable of fending off existential threats, but is not in any position to project much power outside of Eurasia."
This.
That's been Putin's stated position the whole time, and the evidence of events has borne it out.
Putin may be a ball-less deuchebag but any inteligence agency can project power anywere they want and if they cant they are doing it wrong.
Putin is playing the side game, talking an issue that sychos in political leadership positions want to hear. Namly that since the US is unstable Russia will insure stibility, code for: I will keep the stupid sheep from forming a lench mob and hanging you from the nearest pole. Remember your a terrorist unless you win, then your a freedom figher, white knight and angel of the downtrodden.
Of course all of these terrorists/angles are nothing but scumbags like those who want to say in power.
Wont mater, radiation and nature dont care about what you want or believe.
Good point and I should add that Putin has no desire to attempt such an arrogant projection of power. It is a long term losing game.
Our elites think that they will 'flip the house/stock/bogus IPO' on a transnational level and walk away with the loot. Maybe, but I think these fiscal twits seriously overestimate their staying power.
If and when trade returns to an exchange of real value, not artificial currency forced literally at the point of AMRAMMS and nukes, the Bill Gates, Buffets, and slew of moguls will at best be forced to hide in far away retreats. More likely, their plan to buy private security will end in such outfits instantly turning on their predatory employers- or they will simply reap what they sowed in other ways with cancer/heart attacks/etc.
Every Empire has found itself militarily over-extended and ended up collapsing, broke. Eventually, some ambitious would-be Emperor has to figure that out. Many more, I imagine, leave Imperial Domination in the realm of fantasy, where it belongs.
reference to "I think Russia is playing for the 'long game."
I wonder if Russia or the West can wait.
I know these things are typically played out like empires in the cold war... or maybe that is the except to the rule.
Europe Wanted to avoid war after WWII, but NATO is cocky, UK is Cocky, US is cocky. I'm not sure why there is a big push from the American Empire to secure oil wells and oil. True the land gets taken up by business contracts. Running of our land to drill. Hence Arctic Push.
But what is there is some other time constraint?
- Fracking is not as good as claimed
- Financial Cycle is running out
- US Military seems at its top level
- US War Culture is complete
- US Labor for War is Cheap
- Neocons, congress, Pentagon, Banks all agree to pursue war for Oil & Big Contracts World Wide to spread US-Western Influence, Keep English Language Dominant, Keep Petro Dollar Dominant
- BRICS threaten USD Petro Dollar and is Organized with International Hubs
- Saudi Arabia-US Treaty is breaking Down
Everyone knows these things.
So maybe the USA & NATO will Turn to a Hot war with possible Nuclear Option, just as they are using Oil Price Discount & Financial Powers to Crush Russia now.
The Shanghai Coop isn't new, but this agreement is troubling. Here is their website:
http://www.sectsco.org/EN123/
When I did a search, I also found an article indicating that Turkey wants to join SCO. Would they leave NATO? It's likely!
http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/turkey-renews-plea-to-join-shanghai-coope...
NATO membership is increasingly a noose and handcuffs for Turkey. The Turks haven't forgotten who used to rule the middle east, for centuries, more or less peacefully but for Western adventurism. My sister-in-law married a Turk, and he knows I pay attention to global affairs, so I get an earful every holiday.
"The Turks haven't forgotten who used to rule the middle east, for centuries, more or less peacefully but for Western adventurism".
Go and ask them in the Balkans or the wider ME what they think of that 'more or less peacefully'. I guess brutal oppression is also a form of peacefulness. Turkey or rather Erdogan has Ottoman aspirations thinking he is a new Suleman.
You're right about the outer reaches of the Ottoman Empire, for sure. I was paraphrasing what a Turkish Nationalist Patriot believes. Not saying I'd love to have been under their dominion.
Yeah, I have to junk this: The Turks were anything but peaceful.
Their entire empire was notorius for
- kidnapping Catholic/Orthodox women for sex slavery
- demanding tribute in the form of boys (again sex slavery and as Janissaries)
- constantly invading Europe (nearly conquering Vienna as late as 1683)
- generally given to seedy oriental despotism
- Armenian holocaust
Perhaps Russia will cooperate with them economically on the medium term so as to tear them away from Euro orbit. Indeed, I don't think Putin is going to expend much to entice them.
Ankara is a thoroughly corrupt state fully dependant on the heroin trade. What does it offer Moscow, dates and second hand goods? And I doubt Putin forgot that Erdogan boldly attempted a false flag against Damascus.
Well, there's a reason the Ottoman Empire fell, and that my sister-in-law's husband is now a US citizen. But Turkish nationalists see these things a little differently than you or I might. If I were to live under an Empire--oh wait, I do. Hey, I'm darned glad to be of the dominant ethnicity and nationality of the Empire I live in, and to live in an obscure part of the Home State of that Empire. Pretty good life, people mostly don't mess with me.
blah blah blah
Think there's a BRICS currency in the works, or something like that?
I think it's safe to say that the Western CBs were tracking the development of that meeting in September very carefully which has led to 1) Skirmishes already taking place on the Pakistan/India border and "yes" no coincidence the news organization at the forefront coming from the propoganda machine VOA 2) OPECS not so unified move to cut oil price as Saudi Arabia' and Israel's push for the attempt at finishing off Syria with larger designs towards Iran being punishment to the U.S. for lack of boots on the ground now that ISIS/ISIL is a moving out of "it's orbit" -as are the most important EU member(s) attempting to avoid a war on their borders at all costs in Ukraine!
Guess we're about to find out how desperate the new Republican leadership in Congress is for starting WWIII?!!!
" Why should we care about this meeting in the middle of nowhere?"
This is where America, and Americans really fall down, or drop the ball, or lose all prespective. If you knew the history of the USSR and China's long history as well, you would know that this is NOT the middle of Nowhere! It is a central and very important part of the giant Asian continent. Politically it is where Russia and CHina meet, the good relations of these state with both Russia and China cements the Asian and Russian economies and defense forces. So, NO, it is not nowhere. It is just unknown to most Americans that these two vast economies and lands exist OUTSIDE the American empire. NATO has become very pushy as of late, and Obama's "pivot to Asia" is sold by him as a direct military threat and confrontation of China. Washington has forced the two, Russia and China to seek mutual aid to fend off an agressive American military that admits it is confronting both powers directly with arms and armies.
We need to stop being Washington centric. We need to see that the rest of the world will react to Obama's open claims to be the earth's supreme rules and decider. After Obama, the next president, likely Republican, will take over the mantal of Supreme Ruler.
I travel a lot. I am amazed by what I see in foreign nations we Americans think are back waters. Nope, they are not back waters any longer. Most people can't break the American 1950's Mind Set, feed by media, that the USA is still the only really developed nation. FAR FROM IT!
Yeah, for those of us who own an atlas and aren't afraid to use it Tajikistan is kind of in the middle of everywhere. Ghengis Khan certainly thought so and he was no dummy.
I am amazed by what I see in foreign nations we Americans think are back waters. Nope, they are not back waters any longer....
Well said JB
But for most Americans who don't like to hear this because they are superior in every way to the Russians and everyone else... this is the poison you and I have been fed since our formative indoctrination in grammar school through University!
What happens to most of those "straight A" students that have been told their entire existence that their shit smells like Channel #5 compared to the competition and how hard they fall down when they finally meet reality and find out it's a great big "wide open world" that they live in full of ideas and approaches better than their own?!!!
Great comment. My 16 year-old son is getting a dose of that right now. Thank goodness he's getting it now, while he's still living under my roof and eating my food. He's gotten straight As, but bombed a nationally-graded standardized test. He's meeting exchange students from Europe who can't believe how little work is required in American high schools. He's also learning from his high-school dropout dad (me) that sometimes it isn't about outrunning the bear, it's about outrunning the other guys running from the bear.
But he's not getting those lessons from the MSM or the Educational/Finance complex. He's getting them from his cranky father and sporadic exposure to the world that doesn't care about fluffing American egos.
He's also learning from his high-school dropout dad (me) that sometimes it isn't about outrunning the bear, it's about outrunning the other guys running from the bear.
Hate to break it to you swm but he will need a second, third and maybe even a fourth language, especially if he wants to pursue engineering...
I've been an IT professional for two decades and you are rapidly witnessing both professors and foreign students leaving our Universities in droves because the opportunities are better for them at home!
The only way we will get any semblance of it back is if we follow the leading institutions with the R&D especially in most critical areas like alternative energy which is happening in Germany, the Netherlands, India and China, as it's not going to be happening in this Country the way it did in the 60's through the 90's especially with Big Oil never changing...
Like this article states unequivocally.
Hope is moving East and we have nobody to blame but ourselves for it! We can either be a partner to that change or an adversary and this is what the World is watching with our actions right now!
Interesting insight.
Great comment. Confirms what I've been thinking myself. I think offering Spanish in US high schools is lazy. French is a boutique language, except maybe in West Africa. Best to learn Chinese or Arabic I'd think.
What you're describing is the decline of Empire. The foreigners who had flocked to the seat of Imperium for clear reasons find those reasons less clear and compelling, and go home. Then what has Empire got? Only what they brought to the party themselves. I got lucky with the timing, no credit to myself. By the time I quit my schooling, it was already very difficult to earn a living wage without at least a 4-year degree. Not impossible, however, as I have proven to myself. It would be a helluva lot harder now, as I'm trying to teach my kids. They see it too. We Americans love to talk about Meritocracy, but we don't like the way it fits.
Russia is worlds highest with higher education degree 54% of population.
Check TopCoder rankings. 30 of top 50 are Russian.
Our ATT DSL in states is terrible speed compared to our Russian service (Samara, Tomsk)
Well, right now it looks like David vs Goliath - Poot is facing a very tall challenge.
But he's not facing it alone - global anger against U.S. hegemony is mounting fast. But the problem for the anti-dollar, anti-U.S. global dictatorship axis, is that they need hard infrastructure and deep, solidified cooperation. So far they are big on verbiage and somewhat small on infrastructure and cooperation.
Plus, there's still a hell of a lot of fear out there - fear of angering the U.S. and getting your head handed to you on a platter.
What the Axis needs is a U.S./Europe-centered collapse event similar to the crash of 2008, or else a U.S.-instigated war that goes horribly wrong and precipitates a full-blown global crisis, (or perhaps both), to get all the Axis "members" to jump the dollar ship and consolidate their cooperation. Minus such an event, I don't see the anti-dollar axis congealing into something meaningful.
I think the chances are rising fast that such an event will occur in the next very few years.
From my somewhat limited travels I see the US as a backwater, particularly in IT infrastructure. The US gets the worst service aat the highest cost. Medical costs are ten times higher in US than in many other places. In most countries if you want to become a lawter or a doctor you begin your studies directly after high school. The food in the US is mostly crap! I could go on and on but I dont want to just rant.
What really gets me is the arrogance, this 'land of the free' is populated by fat, propogandized dolts, absolutely clueless about what havoc the US creates on this planet.
Remember 911
Agree. 90,000 US Patients die from Medical Mistakes in the USA while paying the highest costs. US Education has become financialized and Oppressive. IT is years behind.
Not an expert on the USA, but seems like Southerners & Midwesterners can be real horn tooters for the USA and don't even think about travel outside of the USA. At least my travel outside of the USA has led me to learn some history and some places to put military & foreign policy in perspective.
- Liberty, Equality, Justice
- Freedom, equality, brotherhood
- Freedom, Liberty, Equality, Justice Forever.
It doesn't say we have to work each year, pay for Obama Care, sustain an unsustainable federal government, or live with yearly inflation and loss of money in a savings account.
It doesn't say we have to support Banker Fraud or the Money Trust.
- Maybe I want a sabbatical, to live in the wilds for a year, to travel the world, to be a bum for a year, to read history books without paying tuition.
If USA is in perpetual war, global war on terror, and a police state... Washington DC expects you to work and pay taxes.
thanx JB. a lot of posters are finally getting the education they should have gotten in hi-school
Us govt hi school didn't want anyone educated
thanx JB. a lot of posters are finally getting the education they should have gotten in hi-school
Everyone has heard of Dushanbe - at least everyone who has seen a little movie called 'Spies Like Us." :)
Merkle has announced that all NATO promises cannot be kept. Who knows what forces in the USA are driving policy. With Obama doing secret letter writing to Iran there could be multiple competing ideals driving our insane actions.
I grew up worrying about THE BOMB. I think some of the punks antagonizing Puty have not thought things through. The problem is that WW3 has about a 10 minute period for decision making. When there are overt hotilities expressed the likelihood of an accident rises drastically. We were far better off quitely hating the Ruskies but saying nice things in public. That allowed cooler heads to delay, even if for a few minutes, pushing the big red button. Now, with the USA pushing against the Russian border, a rational person might think that blip on the radar could be the real deal....and it will arrive in 9 minutes.
SCO also knows as Despot Central is twenty years in the future...at least.
the group that met there is the Russian president’s baby
if you think Putin is driving this yak, if (big if) SCO becomes anything of import, watch
the dragon devour it. frankly, that's even worse imo
Once Ruskies made a deal with Nazis and was proud of it. It was than but nothing has changed - even today Putin thinks it was ok.
Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germanyhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladim...
Yes, for Putin working together with Nazis is ok. Now, again - he wants to repeat history.
Which Nazis are you referring to? Putin's been pretty hostile to the self-described Nazis in Ukraine. Not hostile enough to harm his own interests critically, of course. And it's pretty well established that the lull provided by the pact Stalin made with Hitler bought Stalin time to get his shit together after his bloodbaths of the 1930s to gear up to fight and eventually defeat Hitler, when the time came, as a vicious bastard like Stalin knew it would.
Putin is glorifying Soviet times and saying that occupying Poland was ok. He is a criminal in his mindset - no doubt about that.
How can anyone glorify this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZjyyAE-78
Well, that doesn't surprise me. Anybody who ever said Putin wasn't a bastard isn't paying attention. That's not really the point of this discussion, however. We're talking about whether or not Putin is ruthless, pragmatic, and playing for keeps. Do you doubt any of those things?
I am saying he is criminal who must be stopped. Not cheered for.
OK, fair enough. Me, living here in the US; I don't approve of the means being employed by my government to twist Putin's tail. I don't think the destruction of civil society all around Russia's perimeter, the promotion of barbaric armed extremists, and generally turning the homes of hundreds of millions of people into a ring of fire around Putin improves those people's lives. YMMV.
Don't allow yourself to be misled by the US. We don't care about you in Latvia. We only care about propping up our doddering global empire long enough to make off with whatever we can grab globally. We don't even care if it falls apart next week. Today, baby, we're just thinking about right freaking now, taking what we can while the getting is possible, even if not good. No doubt your history and geography frame your viewpoint, but your history should tell you that choosing between which Empire you want enslaving you isn't an effective effort.
If I lived between Russia and Germany, I'd think differently. Or I wouldn't, as I would have gotten the hell out of there at the first opportunity.
First of all - I also don't trust US because I understand it's not run by people but by oligarchs ( http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 )
I would love to see military alianse which would include: Scandinavia, Baltics, Poland, Germany - just for defense. No invasions in Iraq, Libya, other shit NATO is doing.
But I and other latvians won't leave my country if invaded - we have lived through USSR occupation time. We wil survive - we are people with strong cultural roots deep into our hearts:
http://youtu.be/-PDSSoqaCp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8tJCv8hwb0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRqickLKXF8
Even those who have traveled to other EU countries to seek job opportunities - would come back and fight.
Bullshit ! Every dinky little patch of a country thinks nowaday that they can beat Russia, mostly because NATO told them so. Well, Russia OWNED you guys for almost half a century, and I haven't heard of any fighting against them from your part. Not even some kind of rebellion, you know, like it happened in Poland, DDR, Chechoslovakia, or Hungary under the commies. It would take Russia about half an hour to take over all three baltics if she really feels like, with or without NATO. You are all delusional...
stop conflate Soviet communists with Russia
otherwise I agree good post
Latvian troll has comprehension problem, so don't get your hopes up
you gonna be posting this at every single story? Obvious anti-Russian/anti-Putin troll is obvious. it's a pleasure to ALWAYS vote you down.
So doing a deal with China is like doing a deal with Nazis? That is news. This SCO could be a good organization for all the 'Stans. I had not heard it was full of Nazis.
Over 3 million Russian soldiers and over 2 million Russian civilians were killed in Nazi concentration camps. I find it hard to believe that the Russians are fond of anything to do with Nazi's.
The 1940 German-Soviet Commercial Agreement (also known as Economic Agreement of February 11, 1940, Between the German Reich and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) was an economic arrangement between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed on February 11, 1940 by which the Soviet Union agreed in period from February 11, 1940 to February 11, 1941, in addition to the deliveries under German–Soviet Commercial Agreement, signed on August 19, 1939 deliver the commodities (oil, raw materials and grain) to the value of 420 to 430 million Reichsmarks. In the period February 11, 1941, to August 11, 1941, there shall be delivered to Germany, likewise in addition to the deliveries provided for in the Credit Agreement of August 19, 1939, commodities to the value of 220 to 230 million Reichsmarks. In payment for the Soviet deliveries, Germany shall supply an own products (war materiel; machinery and technologies; raw materials).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_...
Ruskie soldiers shaking hands with Nazi soldiers when both occupied Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#mediaviewer/File:...
Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germanyhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladim...
It's a good thing US Corporations had nothing to do with Nazis, oops:
"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . . Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." - William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937
Ever heard of William Randolph Hearst, Andrew Mellon, Allen Dulles, Coca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, DuPont, General Electric, General Motors, Ford, Union Carbide, Westinghouse, Gilette, Goodrich, Singer, Standard Oil of New Jersey (Exxon), International Telephone & Telegraph, Chase Bank, Random House Publishing, Sullivan & Cromwell, J. P. Morgan and Dillon, Read and Company, Union Bank of New York, etc?
But yeah, let's focus on a 1 year agreement Stalin made with Germany before he allied with the Western powers intead.
Fail.
I don't know about those numbers...
but it was reciprocal.
Millions Germans prisoners disapeared in Stalins gulags.
2 Millions Germans starved and died of exposure by Eisenhower. "Other Losses" James Bacque
Germans and Russians never should have been fighting. Much Germans lived in Russia from time of Great Katerine.
Germany did not make the war. Russians did not make the war.
Soviet was never Russians in control. Stalin Soviet planned world conquest. Not Russian people's idea.
Germany was targeted because of recover economic power, resisting moneypowers.
Churchill with Poles provocations.
Lay blame where it belongs..usual supects and their tools,
All three lieaders at Yalta War Criminals
Cui Bono?
Even Patton started fiqure it out..close enough the real enemy stopped him
the Telegraph, get real. lol
Those Kiev nazis who shine the shoes of the zoligarchs who have dual citizenship? Stupid f**ks. They should take the country back from the criminals zoligarchs like Yatsekunik and Porky.
Wrong.
Stalin, not Russians.
Stalin was not a Russian.
From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control.
Even Kruschev and Breznev were Ukraine nationals
Gorby is 1/2 Ukrainian
Ignorant obsession against Russia.
VV Putin had nothing to do with WWII.
Only Family experience. Mother watched his brother die under siege.
As every Russian under Soviet experienced suffering
You need learn real history....
Telegraph is crap.
Who cares? We leave them alone, they leave us alone, we can both prosper. Maybe we could trade things back and forth.
Nah, I'm betting on total war.
Reading your book, Katusa, good stuff!
Another sep 11th, another planned implosion :)
Imagine when 'King Dollar' is but a banana republic 3rd world currency.
Russia and China are the founding member states of The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) an intergovernmental economic and military alliance of mutual security.
Shanghai Cooperation Organization Forces:
Active personnel 5,325,000
Reserve personnel 7,675,000
Available personnel for immediate activation and Conscription 192,039,958
Total of personnel 205,039,958
The economic and numerical might of China, together with the military prowess and vast nuclear arsenal of Russia.
There are a lot of reasons they wouldn't ally up, but that they would coordinate their power so as not to get in each other's way as they deal with the problems posed by the decline of the current global Imperial Order is indeed food for thought.
What more can one ask from any alliance?
I suppose a blowjob is out of the question.
NATO should have been dissolved after the Cold War ended. That was the time to draw up a new arrangement, WITH the newly-emergent Russia...
But NO! Of COURSE NOT! Because NATO couldn't help itself, they HAD to poke that bear. Had to get up in its face, and do the political equivalent of that irritating kids game where you wave your hand millimeters from someone's face and chant, "I'm not touching you...I'm not touching you..."
NATO needs to go. I believe the AXIS powers stopped meeting awhile ago, NATO should follow. The 20th century is over.
Buy the Precious Metals in the market and max out the contracts.
Since the COMEX and others have fractional amounts just watch when the paper contracts can't deliver or close.
Call their fractional reserve contract BS. They say nobody has ever done it.