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Russia, China Sign Second Mega-Gas Deal: Beijing Becomes Largest Buyer Of Russian Gas
As we previewed on Friday, when we reported that "Russia Nears Completion Of Second "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China", moments ago during the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum taking place this weekend in Beijing, Russia and China signed 17 documents Sunday, greenlighting a second "mega" Russian natural gas to China via the so-called "western" or "Altay" route, which as previously reported, would supply 30 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas a year to China.
Among the documents signed between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese leader Xi Jinping were the memorandum on the delivery of Russian natural gas to China via the western route, the framework agreement on gas supplies between Russia's Gazprom and China's CNPC and the memorandum of understanding between the Russian energy giant and the Chinese state-owned oil and gas corporation.
“We have reached an understanding in principle concerning the opening of the western route,” Putin said. “We have already agreed on many technical and commercial aspects of this project, laying a good basis for reaching final arrangements.”
RIA adds, citing Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller, that the documents signed by Russia and China on Sunday define the western route as a priority project for the gas cooperation between the two countries.
"First of all these documents stipulate that the "western route" is becoming a priority project for our gas cooperation," Miller said, adding that the documents provide for the export of 30 billion cubic meters of Russian gas to China annually for a 30-year period.
Miller noted that with the increase of deliveries via the western route, the total volume of Russian gas deliveries to China may exceed the current levels of export to Europe in the medium-term perspective. In other words, China has now eclipsed Europe as Russia's biggest, and most strategic natural gas client. More:
Miller, who heads Russia's state-run energy giant, told reporters that "taking into account the increase in deliveries via 'western route,' the volume of supplied [natural gas] to China could exceed European exports in the mid-term perspective."
This came after Russian and Chinese energy executives signed on Sunday a package of 17 documents, including a framework deal between Gazprom and China's energy giant CNPC to deliver gas to China via the western route pipeline.
Miller said Gazprom and CNPC were in talks on a memorandum of understanding that would see Russia bring gas to China through the western route pipeline, as well as a framework agreement between the two state-owned companies to carry out the deliveries.
The western route will connect fields in western Siberia with northwest China through the Altai Republic. Second and third sections may be added to the pipeline at a later date, bringing its capacity up to 100 billion cubic meters a year.
The facts and figures of the Altay deal are broken down in the following map courtesy of RT:
Also of note, among the business issues discussed by Putin and Xi at their fifth meeting this year was the possibility of payment in Chinese yuan, including for defense deals military, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov was cited as saying by RIA Novosti. More from RIA:
Russia's President Vladimir Putin and China's President Xi Jinping have discussed the possibility of using the yuan in mutual transactions in different fields of cooperation, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Sunday.
"Much attention has been paid to the topic of mutual payments in diverse fields ... in yuans which will help to strengthen the yuan as the region's reserve currency," Peskov said commenting on the meeting held between Putin and Xi on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in Beijing.
On October 13, Russian Economic Development Minister Alexei Ulyukayev announced that Russia was considering Chinese market to partially substitute access to the financial resources of the European Union and the United States.
The European Union and the United States have imposed several rounds of economic sanctions on Russia over its alleged involvement in the Ukrainian crisis, a claim Moscow has repeatedly denied. The restrictions prohibit major Russian companies from seeking financing on western capital markets.
Meanwhile, as China and Russia keep forging ahead in a world in which the two becomes tied ever closer in a symtiotic, dollar-free relationship, this is how the US is faring at the same meeting: "China, U.S. Parry Over Preferred Trade Pacts at APEC: Little Progress Made on Separate Trade Deals at Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum."
The U.S. blocked China’s initiatives because it worried that launching FTAAP talks would impede progress on a separate trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The ministers’ statement said that any FTAAP deal would build on “ongoing regional undertakings”—a reference to TPP and other regional trade deals.
“The Chinese got all they could expect—a reaffirmation that we all share in the vision of having a regional integrated model” for trade, said U.S. Chamber of Commerce Executive Vice President Myron Brilliant.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday that negotiating the TPP “is a battle that we absolutely must win.” Ministers from the 12 TPP nations met Saturday afternoon to try to narrow differences, including disputes between the U.S. and Japan over agriculture and auto trade. On Monday, the leaders of the TPP nations are again scheduled to discuss the trade deal, although no breakthrough is expected.
The U.S. is trying to tie an ITA deal to progress on other trade deals with China, as a way to increase its leverage with Beijing. “How the ITA negotiations proceed is an important and useful data point” on China’s ability to negotiate an investment treaty with the U.S., Mr. Froman said.
Trade analysts say the U.S. also hopes to use China’s desire to have the Beijing conference produce concrete results as leverage. This is the first major international summit held in China since Xi Jinping took over as Communist Party chief in 2012, and the government wants to use the session to affirm China’s greater role in the world.
Good luck trying to "increase US leverage with Beijing" using a trade conference being held in Beijing as the venue.
In other words instead of actual trade agreements, the US merely jawboned and "shared visions."
Then again, as noted here since 2010, in a world in which one can merely "print one's way to prosperity", what is the need for actual trade? Surely, which China and Russia are expanding their commercial ties at the expense of Europe, the US can continue to pretend it is the world's only superpower and has no need for either Russia or China. After all, Mr. Chairmanwoman can always go back to work and print some more of that "world reserve currency."
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Obama causing energy insecurity in Europe and uniting US opposition. Obama always wins. Maybe he can start bombing an eighth Muslim country
In other news:
Winston Churchill wanted to nuke Kremlin ‘to win Cold War,’ FBI memo revealsA secret memo from the FBI’s archives has revealed that Britain’s Winston Churchill once urged the US to drop an atomic bomb to "wipe out" the Kremlin. He reportedly thought it was the only remedy against the spread of communism to the west.
The FBI memo claims Churchill insisted that the "only salvation for the civilization of the world would be if the President of the United States would declare Russia to be imperiling world peace and attack Russia."
http://rt.com/news/203691-churchill-nuke-russia-cold-war/
A little known fact is that Churchill deliberately starved 4 million Indians in World War II accounting for more 90% of the casualties of the British Empire
http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=1396
War criminals will remain war criminals. Some even win Nobel Prizes.
It appears that China will stop buying middle eastern oil/gas and switch to Russia. A wise move as the middle east is about to turn to glass.
I don't like the Chinese. I don't even think they are all that smart. But they do know how to see the big long term picture and for that they are very wise.
In other news...
Canada has signed an agreement to bypass the U.S. dollar in international trade with China, and will trade using the Chinese Renminbi.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-china-sign-currency-deal-aimed-at...
Canadian Spring uprising in 3..2..1...
Oh dear, what will the Russians do without ZATO?
...Potential Black Swan Game Changers...
Bomb and close the Suez Canal
Bomb and close the Hormuz Straight
Bomb Qatar to heck
Bomb and take out the Gas line that bypasses Hormuz.
...and what pray tell can the USSA do if a small nuke is dropped over N Y or Washington?
There are various Jihadists that would jump at the chance of USSA payback.
Hard for the USNavy 5th fleet to mess with landlocked gas pipelined supplies between nuclear powers Russia and China on the World Island.
Russia and China's free trade between sovereign nations. What a concept. Something America will fight to thwart at all costs.
Bingo! Great point there. Indeed, the US Navy is so powerful it does control every inch of the ocean trade routes and can shut anyone of them in a heart beat. China knows how vulnerable they are, if Washington really got mad at them, the USA could stop every tanker on earth in a matter of a couple days work. So you are right, China sees land lines to it's industry as vital. These can be protected by the Chinese and Russian armies, and by the large anti aircraft missile forces of both nations. It is a win win for both. Obama and the neocons are really pissing themsleves over this one, I can assure you of that. Does anyone remember a few months ago when Obama directly asked China to join in the world wide sanction of Russia for invading Ukraine? How far did that invitation move the Chinese? They just the opposite, they jumped on teh sanctons to use as bargaining power with Russia to barter better deals on gas prices. A piont of conflict between Russia and China for over a decade. Now prices are more to China's liking, thanks to USA sanctions. European demand is now replaced by Chinese demand. And no fucking Ukraine Kiev Junta can do jack shit about it.
Who losses? Germany! Yet Merkel is wholly black mailed by the NSA, if she refuses to back Washington, the NSA can dump a load of information on her that will see her out of power in 2 fucking seconds!
Correction, Mr. Burton.
Davey Jones can't conttol:
1) The Russian side of the Arctic, which due to Global Warming, may become a Summer Sea Route btwn East Asia and Europe; and
2) The Asian Subcontinent, AKA Indian Territories. "Asia <=> Africa/Europe/ME" Trade Routes South of Eurasia end up passing across there. Last time I checked, the Indians have armed up with long range Cruise Missiles to complement their modernizing Navy and Air Force. Not to mention that it's far more palatable to detonate a Fleet crippling low/mid yield Nuke at Sea than on Land against an invading Army.
Also, SE Asia (east of SGP) is soon becoming a "Toss Up rather than a Standoff" for the USA. CHN just may be able to pull off a Power Play to become "THE" Dominant Naval Force there. They're building "Island Bases" in the Region; and I think they'll build larger/more numerous Facilities to counter what the USA has in Guam.
You can say that the "Mid Eurasia" Region (even with Diego Garcia figured in) is pretty much the outer fringes of US Military's Power Projection Prowress.
dup missles matter more than ships
if it floats, is sitting duck
This deal is really loud "Fuck the West/USSA!".
It's a defensive reaction to PSYCHOPATHOLOGY on the part of "Anglo" policy writers with a MACROECONOMIC DEATHWISH.
CAUSE AND EFFECT.
And a gold-backed currency matters more than missiles, ships, or anything else.
If it's not gold-backed like the Altyn, then the currency is a sitting duck.
Eurasia didn't even have to show up to WWIII - America and the EU came by themselves, let their central banks bleed them dry and then LOST.
Indeed! That is why I was in Submarines!
Im just waiting for China and/or Russia to announce that their intelligence agencies have uncovered the fact that ISIS has obtained a submarine and that it is unknown at this time what weapon capability that ISIS may have obtained in said submarine. As good global citizens, they are only doing their duty to the world by informing us, dont ya know.
I mean if ISIS can obtain supertankers full of "stolen crude" to finance their villainous deeds without ANY intervention by TPTB, surely there is some rogue Lockheed or Boeing employee willing to help them obtain a diesel boat from one of their german friends, no?
ISIL just might:
1) Start Hijacking Tankers (e.g., Iranian - just to piss them off - yet IRQi and KSA Tankers headed for the USA-Led-Bombing-Coalition sounds just as obvious for their targeting); and
2) BUY PRK's latest refurbishment (or plain old re-manufacturing) of SLBM capable Diesel Boats (Submarines); and operate them out of sympathetic Ports (someone's buying their Oil, right?).
Plenty of Pirates from the East African Coast through the Malaccan Straits. Heck, even IND may even pay up for some non-IRNian Tanker Payload.
Pirate Caliph of the Southern Seas? Sounds like a Title for an early 20th Century Adventure Romance Movie or for a Fabio covered Pulp Fiction piece for the Lonely Ladies - who want to relive the Fantasy depicted in the Sex in the City 2 Movie(I only saw the first 15-20 Min while Channel Flipping, so I'm presuming the Dames had their "Fantasy Flings" over there).
Sounds plausible....maybe we should stop bombing them lest they unleash a MK48 at one of our carriers. I mean, you know, they have all kinds of capabilities....even operation of a submarine and advanced weapons systems.
I saw where they now were operating fighterbombers. Did they do a Rosetta Stone-type single seat fighter training school? or Microsoft Flight Simulator? Or did they just ask their masters over yonder to the SE by about 100 clicks to give them a crash course?
What a fucking joke.
If you've read up on the Links provided by ZH Readers, you probably would have read that they actually had Fighter Pilots who flew planes teach them.
Tankers have been taken over by men with small arms and Speedboats.
Also, PRK do have Torpedoes. Probably not Mk48 Caliber (ROTFL); but good enough to cause panic for the Merchants. Get close enough in a crowded place (like the Straits of Hormuz), even a WWII Era Torpedo can score a hit.
SYR mothballed a couple of Romeos. If ISIL gets their hand on them (they almost got their hands on the City of Tripoli near the Coast), who knows what they can do.
All of their Oil Customers are potential Weapons Smugglers...
we should have our wood-stove ready.
BlazeKing King by far the best
http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinas-submarine-fleet-adds-nuclear-strike-capability-altering-strategic-balance-undersea-1414164738
Just wait until the Chinese and the Russians start talking about MILITARY cooperation, and also SPACE cooperation (as in permanent operational space presence/bases). Then you'll see a true American nervous breakdown... Of course, by that time "The West" (i.e. US, EU & Japan) will be even more (totally ?) bankrupt, so their reaction will HAVE to be limited, not by choice but by necessity. Those will be "interesting times" indeed...
Putin:
"Sanctions have a boomerang effect and without any doubt they will push U.S.-Russian relations into a dead end, and cause very serious damage, and it undermines the long term security interests of the US State and its people."
It looks like Putin was right.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/putin-responds-us-sanctions-wil...
Indeed - the US seems to love free trade but only when it is in US interests.
Is it already time to burn the white house again?
China is not even worried about how to get rid of their dollar assets. Will the new BIS have an Asian country code?
Here's the same story with a conservative spin.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2014/11/20141108-...
Seasmoke
The Chineses are very smart. Very resourceful. They’ve survived for thousands of years.
This tells us that war is coming to Europe. I read that Germany alone gets about 40% of its energy from Russia.
Russia will be in a horrible, and dangerous position. From the West they have 500 million delusional Europeans. From the East, they will be facing invasion from over 1 billion people that have very little to lose.
You forgot the north. The Polar Bears will turn the taiga white.
But wait, Putin did say the Taiga Bears will be pretty territorial.
Listen EI.
"500 million delusional Europeans. From the East, over 1 billion people".
Easy for The Russians. What else ya got?
Bangalore Equit...
Are you always this entertaining… or, it’s just me?
Anyway, few years back I was going crazy on why: “Some of my smartest friends don’t want to understand and accept our current situation and facts for what it is”.
Why?
Then, I asked this question in a blog, that I can’t remember where, and these two bloggers wrote back this: Watch “Sigmund Freud” and read “Reg Morrison”.
A neurologist [Freud] and a photographer [Morrison]?
If I didn’t know these two bloggers any better I would had though they were kidding me. Anyway, since then, things look a lot clear to me.
Widely acclaimed Sigmund Freud is a must watch. BUT, Reg Morrison, the photographer was a huge surprise. HE IS UNBELIEVABLE and FASCINATING. In a league of his own. Can’t say highly enough about his writings and research.
Let me introduce to this brilliant mind, and intellect.
The Peacock Effect – Slide 24
Evolution's great strength lies in the fact that even the most efficient and fecund species are available for culling. This universal vulnerability hinges on what might be called the Peacock Effect.
In Peacock society the male's spectacular tail is a major reproductive asset, but only in the species' birthplace—a forest. Should the forest disappear, the peacock's cumbersome tail instantly doubles as a gaudy advertisement for fast food for passing predator.
All species [humans] possesses adaptive specialisations [their Peacock] that have enabled them to survive and reproduce within the habitat that nurtured their specialisation. But change the environment, and such specializations become handicaps—the more extreme the specialisation [their Peacock], the more lethal the handicap.
OUR PEACOCK TAIL IS OUR INHERENTLY MYSTICAL NATURE. It is expressed in our peculiar capacity to believe implicitly in the patently unbelievable, and to attribute unnatural power or mystical significance to anything that either contributes to, or threatens, our genetic survival—thereby revealing its true origin. Mysticism's universality and its umbilical links to DNA's primal imperatives, 'survive and reproduce', clearly identify it as a genetic artefact.
Whether our mysticism relies on a belief in supernatural forces such as gods, angels, witchcraft, astrology and intergalactic aliens, or whether we believe in luck, tea leaves, memes or market forces, the precise nature of the belief is of little consequence to our genes. The only thing that matters to them is the quality and strength of the tribal passion that those beliefs generate. Darwinian selection does the rest. Two million years has honed HUMAN MYSTICISM INTO A WEAPON OF UNPARALLELED POWER.
http://regmorrison.edublogs.org/articles/
http://vimeo.com/85948693
Ahh, Darwin, The 19th century version of Al Gore.
booboo
The ideas of these posts are: “Awakening of the retards from Brainwashing”. You comment shows that you’re a functioning human being that is completely brainwashed.
Knowledge is liberating, isn't it?
Now, see if you can write something insightful.
Dunce, Brainwashing is done by supplanting the truth or science in this case with false theories, you sir are in need of a self examination and a good deprogramming
Start with "the Cambrian Explosion"
Listen booboo.
He's just another transparent tribesman attempting affect the message.
I respond to his comments but whenceso I put on my finger condoms first:
http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11469L/Finger-Cots-Tapes/Latex-Fin...
Then I carefully hit the "REPLY" button and type my comments. You can never be too cautious with "THESE" types.
When finished I, in Ebola like fashion, discard finger condoms in biohazard containment bags.
I typically don't follow links on ZH much anymore, but it looked tempting. This guy is very interesting:
http://regmorrison.edublogs.org/about/
Not sure if I will agree/disagree, but I am definately going to check out a few of his papers.
Regards,
Cooter
If evolution was true, my left hand would have turned into a vagina by now
You must have a right-handed mouse then Sokh :)
Fuck u, you are correct sir
I logged in, which is a pain in the ass, just to upvote and copy this for my "treasures found on the interwebs" notebook entry.
answer to off topic...but
most will have better grasp of this
Escrava, That is why Russia maintains it's very large nuclear forces and is now putting new Fleet Ballistic Missile Submaries into commission as fast as they can be built. They will make sure that no missile defense can prevent Subs from rising from the sea bottom a week after the Russian state was attacked, and nuke all hell out of anyone and everyone they see fit to nuke. Nukes are insurance, not meant for rel use, but as that nice little insurance policy that says. "If you try and really take us down, you will be a smoking cinder within any time frame we choose."
Jack Burton
I hear, and understand your point.
And, maybe by Russia having as many submarines, it might work in the best interest of everyone.
But, US Empire and its spoiled population, and Europe with theirs, won’t go down quite.
And that, their pillage of the world and its resources are over.
Try to engage anyone within this topic? You’ll only hear silence, and will make people really uncomfortable. Women won’t even let you finish the sentence.
Chris Hedges:
Decayed civilizations always make war on independent intellectual inquiry, art and culture for this reason. They do not want the masses to look into the pit.
This obliteration of “false hopes,” requires an intellectual knowledge and an emotional knowledge. The first is attainable. The second, because it means that those we love, including our children, are almost certainly doomed to insecurity, misery and suffering within a few decades, if not a few years, is much harder to acquire.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/chris_hedges_jan_27_column_transcript_collapse_of_complex_societies_2014012
Well 1st they have to get there, and how the last 3 attempt ended? I mean Napoleon, the WWI and the WWII.
Try telling the many millions of un-employed in southern Europe how spoiled they are. You might find it an education. Don't think Catalans would be voting for secession if the good times were rolling.
"Russia will be in a horrible, and dangerous position. From the West they have 500 million delusional Europeans. From the East, they will be facing invasion from over 1 billion people that have very little to lose."
You are missing two points: 1) there are not 500 millions of deluded Europeans. More like 498 millions of disappointed Europeans who hate the turn of events in Europe, i.e, its vassalization to the USA, and 2 millions who profit by the situation. You should read the comments section under any European news outlet, it's even worse than here at ZH. And the European masses are by far and away more educated than the American masses, so their gullibility reaches their limits faster. On top, the countries of Europe all know the meaning of war on their territory, something America doesn't. The last thing we Europeans want is another war with Russia, so barring some drunken Poles, thank you but no, thank you.
2) As for the Chinese, they are not an imperialistic nation. They hate any meddling in their internal affairs, but they won't attack if not provoked. They are, after all, the only country ever that has built a wall around the whole of its territory, in an attempt to fortify it against external aggression. Fortifications are defensive, not aggressive.
Relax.
Lea
#1) I’ll take your word for it because I don’t follow Europe closely. And your post makes sense.
#2) Agree. Not sure if Chinese will remain neutral if Russia is invaded from the East.
Lea,
Russia will eventually be invaded during the “Coming Anarchy” after the war.
I bet there will be lost of ‘closed doors’ meeting trying finding solutions for our oil and energy demise. But, eventually, these meeting will work until they don’t.
And the ones without the oil and energy, will start facing shortages…. And that’s your anarchy.
Here's another undeluded European. Does this lunatic think for a moment that the average European would contemplate with equanimity for a second a military conflict with Russia? Apart altogether from the fact that 500 millions Europeans are Europeans because we reside within what I presume he is referring to primarily as the EU? We may be EUans, but we are I think, primarily Irish, French, German, Brits etc etc etc.There is no such thing as an EU military force, not even a collection of military forces that could project convincing force any appreciable distance outside the EU area that would threaten Russia. And that's without even thinking of Russian Nuclear forces which, according to their military doctrine, would be unleashed in response to any serious attack.
I accept that the scum leading Europe now, both within the EU and at national level in many EU countries are bought and paid for by the same scum that owns the US. But I don't believe for a second that the populace of Europe are putty in the hands of this scum. They may not have revolted as yet, but there is a very fine line, and we may be much closer to it now than many believe.
OK, without heat this winter, how many Europeans is that? And how many of those left alive are willing to march on Russia?
The Chinese in the East are used to living in shit circumstances. They won't even know things are "bad."
"Russia will be in a horrible, and dangerous position. From the West they have 500 million delusional Europeans. From the East, they will be facing invasion from over 1 billion people that have very little to lose "
Did it EVER cross your mind that the Russians and the Chinese might COOPERATE instead of fighting each other, at least until they get rid of the US, which is their common enemy ? That might take awhile... There is a reason why "outside of the box" thinking is not learned in school, you know...
why is it that u don't like the chinese???
know anyone personal to come to that conclusion????
I think China rocks considering that the great arts of kung fu comes from there...
China is not that bad
sure i don't like the manufacturing part of China...
but i do like Kung fu... and will always respect China for this part of their culture....
FFS, who down-arrowed Ward's post?
It's a work of art. Read it again and move your lips this time.
Exquisitely... sublime
The long term picture is that they know Russia is a long term leper, and they are pimping its ass for cheap gas. Russia has no long term plan, it exports 80% of its wealth and splits it up between it's oligarchs. It's a sitting duck, there is no plan, the only plan is to employ lots of fuckwits to spread lies while the country is looted by thugs.
Yes, + 1
Geez, for a second there, I thought you were talking about Canada! It's a race to export all of our natural resources as quickly as possible. For an oil producing nation, we sure pay an ungodly amount at the pumps.
useless talkings
Here's my take on the deal ... China and Russia will end up bitter enemies and launch into hostilities. China is closer to Eastern Russia than Moscow and it has moved millions of its own citizens into that part of Russia to exploit the natural resources. Sooner or later China will claim that Russia is abusing its people and that China really always owned that part of Russia anyway.
What dont you google a little to see how mmany acres of long-disputed land China ceded to Russia in the last two decade alone ? China and Russia go back a long way and have had plenty of time and opportunity to work things out already.
Dont worry what China and Russia do. Dont wish others ill. Focus on what the US should do and the world will be a nicer place.
better worry about your own country
Mne lyubopytno , ya by s udovol'stviyem otpravit'sya v puteshestviye na ozero Baykal ,
chtoby posmotret', chto vse suyeta...
izvineniya za moy plokhoy russkiy , ya tol'ko izuchal yego v techeniye neskol'kikh mesyatsev ,
i moy russkiy ne ochen' khorosho
Listen. Stop it. Want everyone to break into native language? Stop it!
The machine translators can't handle it.
'Slovak' is all they get.
dobroye utro! Me lyubopytno, ya udovol ' otpravit ' sya stviyem, it would be in the ozero Baykal, chtoby posmotret ' puteshestviye, chto vse suyeta.. izvineniya for moy plokhoy russkiy, ya tol. ' izuchal techeniye neskol ' kikh mesyatsev in yego ko, i ne ochen ' khorosho russkiy moy
Lake Baykal have a look, yes your russian is plokhoy and
your russian is not very good. Whats weith the Baykal ?
Start with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Chinese_in_Russia about 400k ethnic Chinese in Russia. Then read up on the fact that more Chinese are moving South than North and that actually the areas that are bordering Russia.... Still you could be right and a dispute could happen, but right now there is a very strong common enemy that can destroy them both one at a time...so fightining each other is not an option.
you're not kidding. If you've never been to the Kyrgys Republic, your brain will short-circuit for a moment when what look like ethnic chinese address you in Russian. it blew my mind the 1st time I heard it. of course, the 1st thing I learned to say was 'skolko stoyat'!
Actually, to anyone who thinks about it ...
Ain't rocket science. There are probably chinese speaking whities in China (and it's outlying lands) and russian speaking asians in Russia (and its outlying lands).
What is a border anyway? It is only there to keep the tax donkeys in ... get back to work.
Regards,
Cooter
Wait What
And if you go to Brazil, the largest Japanese community outside Japan, they speak Portuguese just like Brazilians because they are Brazilians.
The problem with Russia is that they are very racist, especially the women. And when you look at the Chinese population there (link below), it’s surprisingly ‘very’ small.
Reg Morrison (1999): Russian communism, for example, has fragmented into a multiplicity of corrupt corporate tribes, criminal gangs, religious cults, and a widespread faith in witchcraft. Meanwhile, Russia’s traditional adversary, America, has been swept by a tide of Christian fundamentalism and a rejection of science, especially evolutionary science. A recent CBS poll found that more than 51% of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form, and five States have installed legislation that accepts the hypothesis of Creationism (in the guise of Intelligent Design) as an educational alternative to the theory of genetic evolution.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Spirit-Gene-Humanitys-Illusion/dp/0801436516
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
You're stuck on zero.
Even soap opera scripts have more twists and turns than that.
It appears that China will not be buying as much gas from offshore Australia and Burma. Chevron is a major player. (Much of this gas needs to be liquefied for transport.)
Cheap Russian gas should make China even more competitive. The Yen may need to get cheaper yet.
That too is a good point. Gas Liquefaction is not cheap, and transport in specially designed and built tankers and special terminals for loading and off loading is not easy or cheap, and is packed with danger as perhaps the world's best target for terrorism. Back when I was in the Navy, the USN did many studies of this form of sea borne gas transport. They considered the dangers to be very high, tankers and terminals needed to be far from any city or population area. Instead of fucking with all that, China need only put in meters and pipes and turn on the taps. Cheaper, safer and much more secure. China would be fucking nuts to buy liquefied Natural Gas, when Russia's biggest Siberian gas field is not even tapped yet, this will have a pipeline direct from the arctic fields, to Chinese consumers. While the west fracks and deep sea drills, then tries to Liquefy, build special tankers, special terminals and then convince China to buy at the inflated prices, knowing the USA and it's Navy is busy planning a war agisnt China. Obama and congress both tout the Pivot to Asia, as a direct military confrontation with China. For China to buy gas from the west would be suicidal!
Let's remain objective and analytical, shall we?
It appears that the sanctions are making Russia into China's bitch.
As long as the deal is paid in in fiat CNY, this is a one-sided deal.
What needs to happen, is to use currency that's backed by a gold reserve.
Russia has a big China problem that some here just do not want to see or acknowledge.
-- The USA has illegal Mexicans (and others).
-- Europe has illegal Arabs and Africans).
-- Russia has illegal Muslims as well as Chinese in Siberia.
* * *
China's economy is over twice as big as Russia's. China will get Russian resources and on very good terms in the long run.
China is now "making facts".
How cold is Siberia?
The winners always get to write history.
Churchill said that history would judge him kindly because he intended to write it himself. The self-serving but elegant volumes he authored on the war led the Nobel Committee, unable in all conscience to bestow him an award for peace, to give him, astonishingly, the Nobel Prize for Literature — an unwitting tribute to the fictional qualities inherent in Churchill's self-justifying embellishments.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2031992,00.html
Seasmoke
The winners always get to write 'Lies About' history.
Obama cares only about birdies.
And Unicorns. Don't forget the Unicoirns
..And Unicorn farts, the energy of the future
In gas form. Unicorn shit in solid form
"Obama causing energy insecurity in Europe and uniting US opposition. Obama always wins. Maybe he can start bombing an eighth Muslim country"
Well, fuck.... Why doesn't he just start bombing our country... He knows that he wants to.
Your Move, Obamma...
I cant even imagine what they woud have to offer the Chinese in trade to gain favor with them. Our major export to China is empty barge containers. What will they offer them? Dollars?
"What will they offer them? Dollars?"
California WITH the water rights.
BUT,
They have to keep Brown. And Pelosi. And Boxer. And the Mexicans. And San Fransisco. And Hollywoodland. And La Raza. And Los Angeles.
NAW. They'd never want it.
Since we are riding the fantasy train ...
The Chinese would ... ahem ... enforce immigration laws at the barrel of a gun and the problem would quickly be solved. It isn't really a hard problem if you think about it.
Nevada, Utah, Washington, etc would be none to happy with their new refugees.
The politicos you mentioned would just get party seats on committees - they are already communist.
Regards,
Cooter
The Washington DC woarlocks have only one solution to problems - bomb, bomb, bomb
These clowns now only have one way to win all the marbles and the world is stacking up against them -
all they can do now is threaten everyone until the people in that country throw out that crooked politician they are paying off with another one - Humgary is first more to follow until Germany bolts then all hell breaks loose
Have you heard the word NATO (a subsidiary of the Pentagon)?
NATO main function is to secure the oil and gas pipelines.
NO oil or gas, war breaks out.
And, if history is any guide:
October 26, 1962: Twenty-three nuclear-armed B-52s were sent to orbit points within striking distance of the Soviet Union so that the latter might observe that the US was serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis#US_alert_level_raised
"Have you heard the word NATO (a subsidiary of the Pentagon)? NATO main function is to secure the oil and gas pipelines. NO oil or gas, war breaks out".
Escrava, sorry for contradicting you a second time, but what you say is interesting because it raises the point of the actual might of NATO, as opposed to its perceived might.
The name sounds grandiose, the communication brims with martial self-confidence, but upon checking whatever data is available, you soon come to understand it's a paper tiger. It's a collection of tiny armies with a small budget, something like $16 billion for 2014, for the whole of its activities, both civilian and military. Compare that with the $645.7 billion the Pentagon spent in 2013...
Plus, it's been conned American-style into buying extremely expensive and lousy planes, the Eurofighter Typhoons, and I don't even want to imagine what other garbage. That has empoverished it even more, so right these days, it's broke.
As an example, the German military is a joke.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/germany-military-hardware-d...
And I don't think any of the rest is in much better state. There's only one good thing NATO is good at: communication.
So NATO won't go to war. With what?
Goodbye petrodollar and good riddance!
Canada just signed a banking hub deal that enables Canadian companies and Chines to trade directly without going through the Petro dollar. The Chinese want to invest in Canada and buy our natural resources. mmmmm...Is the petro dollar already dead?
The dollar/USA is just a middleman or a tax on trade. Countries around the world are waking up.
Very succinct, very accurate.
Excellent! +42.
The Barry/Kerry/Nuland sactions on Russia working like a charm ....
...wait a sec....
Saved Russians from McDonalds exposure.
And from McMadcow.
.
Europe will frack its way to energy independence....right? RIGHT?
Frack the EU?
I hate Sunday my favorite entertainment outlet ZH is close on Sunday :(
Russia can endure whatever the West can dish it. It has done it for centuries. It has lost tens of millions of people fighting. two world wars and it endured the Cold War policies. The West is gonna go after Russia with sanctions, a strong dollar and low crude prices? This new Russia policy of destroying their economy and profits from fossil fuels is a joke compared to its endurance during the world wars. The West may have weakened Russia in the short term but Russia will win in the long run because it is surrounded by energy hungry regions. I wish Obama and the West would pull their collective heads out their asses and stop fucking with the Russian bear.
Obozo and the West do as their told.
Russia has endured much in the past. They endured by living a rather poverty type lifestyle. Very basic and with a strong central govt who could stop dissent.
The timing of all this is not clear but appears to be 4 to 5 years away in reality. The development of the western pipeline was stopped to pursue work on another pipeline. In other words Russia did not have the ability to construct two pipelines at the same time due to economics. This is just another sign that Russia is not strong financially, at least not when pursuing additional cash expenditures.
Considering the changes that have taken place over the last 5 yrs and the acceleration of the changes Russia does not have 5 yrs to get this done without suffering setbacks on the world stage. By then the US/Israel intends to have taken over assets in the ME and much of Africa, to have destroyed Iran and other countries along Russia's borders (not including Ukraine) and to have missiles along new extensive sections of the Russian borders. In those 5 yrs all sorts of games can be played to severly damage or cripple the Russian ecomony.
Thus the outlook for Russia's internal economy and quality of life is dark. Will the current population of Russia accept the lifestyle and lack of hope for advancement the previous generation lived? And if dissent grows the govt will not be able to stomp on it as easily as in the past.
The dark clouds over the US and the life it's subjects may be living in 5 years does not change this.
Yesterday I spoke with three young girls from Russia. I asked them, are you ready to live worse?
One of them said to me, and both of her friends agree with her:
I'm ready and I'll use chinese chopsticks instead of forks. And I will use chinese animal feed, insects and worms like food. But I would never bow to Pindostan. "
("Pindostan" - is the highest form of contemptuous name US, from the most dirty of Russian slang).
"Glory to the heroes, Glory to Ukraine"
Sorry could'nt resist it...... ;-)
"Glory to the heroes, Glory to Ukraine" - It's something like "Heil Hitler", huh?
Putin wins again. Meanwhile the Jewish Atlanticist liberals go purple in the face and decide to write strongly worded letters of complaint to the New York Times.
#bringbackouremptyshippingcontainers
#leavemyelevatoralone! :)
Don't forget to thank the Americans for providing the incentive to fast track this deal....Thankyou America!!!!!
U.S. eyes China partnership on Africa power - sources
http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKBN0IS0AG20141108
The United States is considering partnering with China on improving electricity in Africa and the proposal could be part of bilateral discussions when President Barack Obama visits Beijing next week, two sources involved told Reuters.
The proposal could include $5-$7 billion of commitments to improve electricity generation and transmission in several African countries, one source involved in the initiative said.
"Plans have been discussed and outline ideas drawn up but there are understandably nerves given the delicate relationship with China," one of the sources said. The source was unable to provide details on specific countries or projects.
Fuck Africa. . Don't we need a new grid here in the good Ole USSA?
And that is a great sucking sound as natural gass goes east not west.
Fuck. I'm going to have to blow €20k on upgrading my house insulation and heating system now.
1. Putin is quite a bit shorter than that chinaman.
2. Sen. John Kerry is being openly mocked everywhere he shows up to represent the US interests.
3. Keystone XL languishes because one political party is beholden to truly insane envirowackos.
4. It will be interesting to watch China develop over those 30 years.
5. What say you Brussels? (LOL)
Keystone XL languishes because Burlington Northern Sante Fe RR is owned by Obama benefactor Warren Buffet, thereby monopolizing the transport of oil from the region. The envirowacko meme is clearly a head fake.
That is true...how could I forget. Not to mention that Buffet also owns the company that manufactures tanker rail cars.
That picture tells us a lot. Two men: One staunch and determined the other relaxed and confident, looking out on the world with seven gold stars visible behind them.
at 2.
John Kohn is rather SoS, than a senator.
or that Sen. means senile?
Who cares about Europe! Just a bunch of Muslim lovers.
We’ve got Fracking and Republicans in charge.
We’re good, Bitchez.
Charlie Sheen Parody - Bi-Winning (Official Song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NIMTPYYcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
kiss the Swedes goodbye already...
+ 1
It is impossible to argue with facts.
Hello barter trade
1930s are making a comeback.
Death of USD would mean death of globalization.
World is going local.
which would mean one thing:
Obama is about to be removed from power by both repubs and dems.
I think chances are too high for that. Valerie Jarrett being attacked now by dems
ekm1
I hope you’re wrong about Obama.
That would be very destabilizing for everyone in America; and the world.
“But I had a pension!"
"Just get in the guillotine ma’am. We ain’t got time.”
Obama droning and spending is a very stabilizing factor. (sarc)
I hope you're correct on localization. I've been doing my part by cutting out corporate & going straight to the local farmer. It's the only way I see to neuter the power behind the power.
Just got back from some great hiking in God's flyover country. I don't think you could find more beautiful country than...Petit Jean, AR. Met two folks from Albania & Kosovo that owned a little Italian restaurant in BFE on the way back.
It appears I've missed out on quite a bit. We live in interesting times.
I buy only US or Canadian produce or food. No mexican, no latin american, no chinese.
Localization is already here but I don't think it will be allowed to proceed much further.
Glad you enjoyed hiking and had good food there :-)
Long the US Dollar oh wait.....
TinF0ilHat
Long on farm land in Paraguay.
Owning physical gold during the economic meltdown (2016/2017).
On US dollar for now.
These are for people that live in the Americas. Or want to move to the Americas.
"
Paraguay can only hold a billion, maybe a billion and a half people.
How will they grant the wretched refuse entry visas?
(email me at huddledmasses.com)
The Chinese need an alternative to getting all their energy through the Straits of Malacca - even if it means signing a deal with the Russians. Yes even THAT.
Buy Gazprom---high dividend, low PE, great potential for solid growth without resorting to fracking. Only downside is political risk from the likes of Nuland. Hedge accordingly.
"Miller noted that with the increase of deliveries via the western route, the total volume of Russian gas deliveries to China may exceed the current levels of export to Europe in the medium-term perspective."...
The message?...
To Germany and more importantly Frau Merkel... Get 'em while they are still "hot" because the kitchen's about to "close it's doors" on you for good!
I see a very cold winter and decade peppered with inconsistent deliveries of shale oil in your future and much worse if you choose to wade it out with the "Tribe" as you seem compelled to do at your own peril!!!
Not that we've heard anything about the 25th Anniversary "celebration" at the Berlin Wall speech by Gorbachev, but I think what he had to say regardless of his past mistakes in trusting the U.S. and the NATO alliance is worth repeating as it speaks the truth and provides a way forward that is at least constructive unlike the current U.S. administration and it's lackey state(s) in the EU!
Oh great just setting ourselves up for another world trading currency. At least this one maybe backed by gold. Anything that derails the FED puppet masters.
Not to worry, Obama is going counter the Russian move by signing a trade deal with Liberia. In the deal, the US will send them troops and doctors, and Liberia will send us their unskilled diseased citizens to take care of free of charge. If the deal is a success, and so far it seems to be working as promised, he may extend the deal to neighboring Sierra Leone and Guinea.
Pelosi will give these Ebola carriers EBT cards to stimulate our economy. What can possibly go wrong?
I should point out the deal is bad for the Russian CItizen because the gas to China will most likely be lower than the market price.
Surely, the price of Russian gas to China - or to anyone else - is what the customer is prepared to pay for it. The equivalent of $350-$400 per cubic M settled in Yuan appears to be that price.
DUH... Russian citizens alway get a BAD deal ... or have you ever heard of them getting a real nice golden deal ??? only gold the citizens get is when PUTIN gives them a golden shower !!! hahahahaha Psssssssspspsps pssssssssss
here some more gold pssssssssppspsp psssssssssssssSSSSsssssssssss
The quicker the US emprire crumbles the better....
China has now eclipsed Europe as Russia's biggest, and most strategic natural gas client.
WELL DONE, EUROPE! LMAO
Weeeeeeeeee Putin is the hero !!
now lets retake some of that old USSR real estate ..... OH my BAD .... he failed at that ??
Oh my well he can alway turn on the russian people and give it to them up the ass, like all russian leaders of past ... up up up
did i strike a nerve with the russian shills ...... awwwww awww i'm sorry that i told you the truth ...
but its so true... Putin is completely failing at taking back old USSR territory.... Really sad statement about his effort.. ... sort of Flaccid, don't you think ?
He doesn't want it if you hadn't noticed.
50 years of cold war brainwashing certainly worked in your case.
You will get your hot war IMO, but will not live until its end.
Demonization is required before extirmination, so carry on fool.
ofcourse he wants it ... what the f have you been smoking ... what power hungry psychopath doesn't want more power...
its the fact that he's a shitty leader.... he has taken a small shitty island that he already had a military base on.... and thats all !! He could have pushed it
ask your self if the west will risk global nuclear war for Ukraine ?? thats right doofus, not a chance... who gives a rats ass about the frozen craphole
get lost goat
life is short
It is very strange that all who hate Putin so much concerned, about the problems of the Russian people, who democratically chose Putin.
Why are you so concerned about the fate of the Russian people, who so loves Putin, if you have for so much hate for Putin?
Or you have some problems with your logical thinking?
denial
diversion
better they worry about their own country