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Politics Explained (In 1 Simple Table)
Having clarified where you stand on the political spectrum, we thought this handy guide to what you believe in for the most hot-potato-like political factors would be useful at your next cocktail party...
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Where is abortion?
>>> USSA fascist police state
>>> USA constitutional republic
Left Wing: If Lashonda chooses to have her eighth abortion, you should be forced to pay for it.
Right Wing: If Little Biffy Spratt gets knocked up by the quarterback, then she should be forced to have the baby.
Libertarian: Biffy and Lashonda can do as they see fit. You should not be forced to pay for others to have an abortion, or subsidize other's child.
Wings my aching ass. IT should be right cheek and left cheek. And for the rest of us in the middle are directly in the asshole of it all.
Tylers: Please stop posting this drivel. You're so much better than this.
If more Americans understood this drivel, then we might have a chance in this county.
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm PROUD to be a WOOKIE"
~Michele Obama
Dude. I have but one piece of advide for you: RUN
Hot blonde, sexy Libertarian babe on couch gets my vote. Yummy. ;-)
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Blondes are overrated.
Some prefer blondes. Others prefer brunettes. There are some whom prefer Curls while others whom may prefer Afros...
Personally I prefer redheads.
But when it comes right down to it...
You just overrate yourself.
I like redheads two.
Yes. Two can be better than one.
But they are like playing with fire.
You don't think the choice of photos was deliberate?
You put Michele ,I think you mean Micheal , just a typo I guess.
Sheeple won't pay attention unless told which one to "like" by Kim Kartrashian or that twerking woman, what ever the fuck her name was. Then they'll just vote the way they see on tv.
Don't bother with this debate amongst the 5% awake. More people will never give a damn until they're starving, and then they'll just be angry someone isn't sending enough free shit.
."For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm PROUD to be a WOOKIE"
~Michele Obama
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I think it's great she's found work in those Jack Link's Jerky commercials. Some of them are pretty funny, and she gets to show off her acting chops.
hedgeless_horseman
I rarely log in or comment on ZH ...but I felt compelled today….. to give you a big green UP arrow for your link and reference to: CHALLENGE THE CULT OF THE OMNIPOTENT STATE AND DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL!
That is the basic philosophy that this this country was founded on and how our society was set up to it to function ……….it has been derailed over many years by evil, greedy, controlling, and anal people who just couldn’t let the American experiment succeed. The current problems we face a beyond big but …but all could be resolved rather nicely if we, as a country, as a people, as Americans…..could find a way to stick with the basics principles and common sense rules of “how to live your life and manager your country” the founding fathers set up for all Americans. Had this country kept the defense of the “rights of the individual” as our guiding light – we wouldn’t be in the mess we find ourselves in today.
I appreciate your posting and thinking.....keep on trucking.....
Keep in mind this country was founded on slaughtering savages, slavery of blacks. exploitation of child workers, expropriation of land for the benefit of private rail roads, and such.
Your professor is proud of you.
But it may be afraid that you are trying to take its job.
As he is a cop he does take it to the job.
"this country was founded on slaughtering savages, slavery ..."
This country was founded on applying the lessons of the enlightenment on what was a largely untouched continent. The crimes committed along the way were aberrations (while sometimes massive in scope). It was love of liberty and not love of theft and murder that made America America. The Spanish raped and pillaged their way through South and Central America but that never became a beacon to the world as they did not put a premium concept of liberty.
Yes, Americans are good and enlightened folks?
America - white folks from Europe stole it.
The world has changed since then.
The rich psychopatbs steal from everyone else, regardless of race (on both sides of the equation)
It's called globalization.
Wake the fuck up.
America is a warning beacon.
The American people are not synonymous with the American government. The elites want you to think just a you do because by condemning your neighbors you make the elite's position more secure. By believing that most people want government to commit massive crimes you fail to seek out and ally yourself with individuals who oppose those crimes to one degree or another. By believing what you believe you set yourself up as your own gatekeeper. Why not set yourself free?
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one can only hope you consider human females as individuals as well.
some don't. even the "founding fathers" had a specific list of who qualified for the privileges they bestowed at the time.
Single female demographic gave us the gift that is Obama just as much as that single slut of a hyena that shat out the twisted little pencil-necked bastard into this world. Just as brilliant as any swinging dick button-down asshole that gave us a Bush or two and all of them gave us a shit ton of dead brown people and robbed us blind.
Take a fucking bow, suffragette! So much for enlightenment and empowerment. The founding daddies had excellent reasons for thinking as they did. Was intended to make sure only those with skin ( and blood ) in the game had a say. All this fuss for what...burnt bras, a check from Uncle Sam, infanticide, and free contraception that they obviously don't know how to use?
Believe me...if it were the Founding Mothers, it would be every bit of a wreck as it is now and at least 3/4 less fun. Things get just as bloody and bleak with women running the show, so stop making it M vs. F all the fucking time. That division is just as bad as any other division employed on us and it sounds weak and pathetic, to boot.
so, you're blaming me for Obama and the downfall of "your" nation? I've never once even voted - damn, that's some power you've assigned!
and tell me, oh wise one - what demographic signed this "nation" away 100 years ago, gave you your SS# in exchange? what demographic has overwhelmingly been "employed" by the State in Congress since the very beginning? who runs the FED, and who signed subsequent bills to devalue the fiats? who brought in the "slaves"? who runs the military industrial complex, and what is the majority demographic that makes perpetual wars, globally, for all of your lifetime? who benefits most from the 900 military bases in more than 130 "nations" currently?
no, I don't believe you at all. "history" is FULL of rape, pillage, warring, destruction, FatherSkyGod religions of all types - you're either an idiot, or you're just a wind up merchant.
So you want to bring the British and the Jews in on this, then?
some responsibility there, sure - but overwhelmingly we're talking about a particular amrkn demographic that's been in charge and in collusion
from the beginning.
and it ain't yer feminist boogie women. of which I am neither, by the way.
blame whoever you like - folks here love the blame-game - but the "history" books are pretty much in unison on the demographic, even if the circumstances are told from differing perspectives, as expected.
Down with middle-aged white men!
There are many countries that aren't ran by those nasty, old white men. You're welcome to go live in any one of them.
PTI,
You're assuming everyone will play fair.....unfortunately....that's not human nature.....the top will always screw the bottom...and no it's not a homo pun....
Again an example of US lack of the understanding of ideologies.
However, Chomsky gets it: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpBAdocivw
I should not be forced to pay for anybody's abortion that I am not fucking.
You're fucking abortions?
Grammar: it's not just for dinner.
hey, some people can't afford to be too picky!
Mutton, you are so right. Please grant me a thousand pardons.
Having a wife that speaks 7 languages, I am quite used to being corrected for my poor grammar.
Having signed no dotted lines with you though, you can feel free to piss off.
Force a person to have their baby? Next we'll be forcing people to feed their children!
White trash get down on your knees! Time for cake and sodomy!
If you don't want a bun in the oven, stick it in the smoker!
The whole point of scientific advancement is to gain a greater measure of control over our own lives and our destiny. Reproductive rights are a logical extention of this.
American Christian Conservatives seek to re-define any gains "science" has contributed to cultures, including "evolution" stories, age of planet, etc.
it's not a stretch to have 'em making up stories that mirror an "Adam & Eve" tale, including Eve's temptation by a snake to eat from a tree of "knowledge" forcing the GodFather to kick Adam out of Eden, thus implanting the memes:
women are the downfall of man, knowledge is the downfall of man, sex is for baby-making only, otherwise, downfall of man.
A significant number of people on this forum alone believe this shit. All this mystical magical invisble grey bearded skyman had to do was publish in the bible a 100 numbers in the series of pi beyond a billion decimal places or the first 100 digits of the first prime number with a billion digits or the speed of light to fiteen decimnal places or the structure of the atom or the periodic table or a picture of the aerofoil or the structure of DNA. Voila, every single person on the face of the earth would know the bible could not have been written by man. Instead we get a bunch of smites and begats and wars and fights and failed predictions. But hey, there is indeed one true miracle, that people lap this stuff up.
How do you break it to the jew, christian and muslim that despite being individually a nice person and even possibly by any other measure, an intelligent person, that on this issue they have been psychologically bent over the barrel and dry humped. I saw a jew today wearing a kippah and I felt like Elaine in that Seinfeld episode when George was wearing a toupee . . . . . you know the rest.
The structure of DNA? LOL. Wouldn't there have been like a gap there until we figured it out as the truth? What if that's where we are? God didn't reveal himself to you the way you wanted so He doesn't exist. Do you see how childish this attitude is? As in, it is exactly like my 4 year old's actions. Yet, she learns.
Hahahaha, that's the point you dill. A huge gap between when it was written in the bible and before we had the necessary expertise to figure it out. Zero ambiguity.
Your 4 year old daughter learns? I don't call indoctrination learning in the strict sense of the word.
why do you assume god is a "he"?
have you seen his penis?
This is a very telling aspect of theism and my belief that god is the ultimate extension of our ego. Men dominated the world until a few short decades ago (let's face it, still do to a huge degree) so god was an extension of them, hence god is a "him". If women were the dominant gender then I guarantee you god would be a "her".
This has got nothing to do with god and everything to do with human beings.
you make good points, thank you.
as to how to break it the the religionists? it's a tough call, because EACH believes themselves chosen above the others, and as we all know, "exceptionalism" is a tough belief to shake off.
I like to remind those who seek to share their beliefs that there are billions of people in the world, and each one of them has a different perspective - they may agree on some things, even many things - but EACH has their own perspective, based on their mind's reactions to lived experiences, which can differ greatly.
anyone capable of truly grasping that concept, truly taking it in entirely, usually ends up more reflective than actively seeking to impose their will.
peace.
No one can be forced to believe in a particular religion, the Qu'ran and the Bible even state that, but it STILL doesn't keep rabid fundamentalists from trying to do so!
I've gone to great lengths to try and understand this obsession the human mind has with god. Not that I give a damn about peoples internal magical fairies and what they do and what they said but what I am interested in is the mind and why it creates these phantasms.
If I was to break it all down, all the arguments, all the debates into a single sentence it is this:
"God is the ultimate extension of our egos".
When I debate with someone and attack the concept of god, I am actually attacking that individual, literally, as they perceive it. This is why people can get so upset. If I make a derogatory statement about god, people display the same level of offence as if that statement was made about them - the reaction is powerful. This ability people think they have to pray and make tangible effects on the world around them is a veiled self belief that the world can be controlled telepathically by them. Just using the power of their mind, people really do believe they can change the course of history. This is ego inflated to extra-ordinary lengths. People believe they have magical abilities so long as the commands go via a proxy who they call god.
I always wondered why christians need to pray at all when god must already know what they want. I think prayer is simply a form a self hypnosis, similiar to a person about to go on stage muttering to themselves "please don't let me stuff up, please don't let me stuff up". There will be many and varied forms of this, but essentially the goal is the same, to appease/calm the mind with a repeated mantra.
It's not about god, it never was, it's about you. Fascinating stuff.
I hate angry athiests. We get it. You are pissed that God isn't real and everything and everyone you love will turn to dust. Throwing a temper tantrum at people that choose to believe in a higher being isn't going change that, so don't be jealous of their hope, even if it is false.
"even if it is false".
Spoken like a true human being. Buddy, having all your friends and loved ones turn to dust is a merciful outcome compared to spending ETERNITY with them. Again, people are just too stupid to realise the implications of being with someone for eternity. Do you reckon after a trillion years you might be over each other's company.
Plenty of scientists are alcoholics or addicts of one kind or another. They have no control over their own little lives let alone the destiny of man.
The point of science is to discover nature's truth by systematic and controlled observation.
NSA monitoring glitch because I'm on the inside. Bwhahahahah!
Like a good 'lil prepper, hedgeless_horseman likes to play pretend racist. He'd probably shit his depends if a real black person came on his property, but like most bigots he thinks he's the "big man" around the house.
Its so transparent, why do you even bother trying to be coy about it. Just whip out the "N" word and be done with it, you rabbit-eating pussy.
Hey Hedgeless Lookie here!
He's been a member for almost 4 years and just started posting in September.
Guess what ..... betcha betcha betcha
I have been called a lot of names, but I don't know that I have ever been called a bigot.
Apparently, you think I strongly and unfairly dislike black people, or I refuse to accept them.
I have been posting here for more than four years. What evidence do you have for your accusation? Or is name calling the extent of your intellectual capability?
Just a guess: your use of the name "Lashonda" is assumed by some to refer specifically to a black woman, pointing to another form of rayciss thinking.
I did know a caucasian woman named Lashonda -- there are probably at least one or two more.
If there were 100 Lashondas in a room, how many would you guess are black? At what point is the answer not racist?
Lashonda is a black name?
And I thought it was Hindu....maybe Nepalese.
Oh well. I cannot know everything.
Hey Meat, dats racis
I got busted on the phone once. Had a repair shop. Was called by the phone book ( remember them?) ad rep, discussing my spread in the next yellow pages. I did not get his name...........
So about a week later, I get called again. Different dude. We a both trying to fiqure out who I had spoken to.
I said, oops...uh oh... "He was black" ...
Game on. The dude on the other end...." How do you know?" Shit, busted. Uh, mmm, " the way he talks" I said, knowing I was had, but good.
The guy asks " am I white or black?" I didn't hesitate, " your black" .
He said how do know. I responded " a white dude wouldn't bust my balls ", and we both laughed. He was black, but he spoke so well. :)
True story. I'm getting old. And I don't really give a shit.
Great story. LMAO.
He should have used She-porche. I asked a black girl what she thought of that name after seeing a checkout girl with it on her name tag and she said, "Man, that's ghetto!"
Airwrecka
Mario Balotelli
I dislike anyone who wants government.
While I do not want Government I cannot write that statement.
Some of whom I love want Government.
There are leaders. There are followers.
For some leaders there must be followers. It just stands to reason. Whom are they going to lead but themselves?
Therefore I do not dislike them. I just realize that they are followers seeking to be lead.
I only get irritated when they attempt to force me to follow their leader.
No thanks. I will lead myself.
Do you dislike your own children? Aren't they seeking leadership, your governance over their lives?
"Do you dislike your own children? Aren't they seeking leadership, your governance over their lives?"
Bad analogy, Tom. You can do better than that...
At times I am not as witty as others.
I will agree.
"I only get irritated when they attempt to force me to follow their leader."
Does this irritation apply to christian missionaries ;)
With their guns and bombs? Oh, you must have meant American soldiers. Are you an American?
If it is by force, YES.
Forcing "conversion" is not Truth. nor is it what Jesus wants.
He never said "Kill the Infidels" but He did say "Love your enemy. Do good to those whom persecute you forMy Name's sake."
Ghandi was right about it.
If you threaten someone with eternal damnation (especially an uneducated person) if they don't believe in your god then sure, it's not as immediately threatening and scary as having a gun thrust in your face - but at least a gun is honest. The absolute and utter irony that the tyrant who sticks a gun in your face and says believe what I tell you or I'll blow your fucking brains out, is being honest. An asshole yes, but still honest. The missionary who tells the uneducated they will burn in hell if they don't believe in god is dishonest and subjecting the individual to psychological torture, especially if you are too gullible to tell the missionaries to go fuck themselves. I can't correlate the fact that otherwise decent people will condone this shit.
What missionaries have done to native tribes all over the world is truly despicable.
You are really stretching it there...
If a person throws a gun in someone else's face is not equivalent to telling someone that there is an afterlife.
Furthermore there is an immediacy of response required when someone has a gun in your face.
Most people, educated or not, would laugh if they did not believe in that afterlife...like you.
Or do you laugh???
I now wonder at that since you seem to take the threat of Eternal Damnation seriously as you tranfer that attitude upon others???
(BTW...In Psychology it is called "Mind Reading". It is impossible to know how others think or believe when you do not know them so you transfer your own attitudes upon them. Actually it is quite fascinating.)
So you are not certain about your own stance and not well grounded?
It does make sense now as you are reading another's belief as a threat to your own fragile beliefs.
Do you care to talk about that? Tell me more.
Do you see how you expose yourself at times?
Well this stuff isn't necessarily a laughing matter. In terms of an afterlife metaphorically I laugh if you will, but it's by no means humerous.
Eternal damnation is a hallmark of Christianity, particularly Catholocism so I don't know why you'd assume I'm projecting my own ideas onto others in this respect. It gets tricky because religion is indeed evolving rapidly and now it seems the concept of eternal damnation isn't that popular.
In terms of fragile beliefs that is an interesting observation as I have been described by others as a militant atheist. In this case are you mind reading me? Is it you whose beliefs are fragile?
The afterlife. What is one glaring attribute of the concept. "ME", "I". I want more. I can't die. I must continue on. It's childish is it not? The concept exudes the immature human stamping his feet demanding more candy. So typically egotistical of we humans. Do animals emerge into the afterlife? Does a foetus? Does a baby? If so, in what state of mind, with what memories. This is dumb stuff. There cannot be any rational answers to these questions.
Again, I must keep stressing. I don't care what the answer is, I have no vested or emotional interest in it. What is, is. If god created the universe in 6 days and needed a rest on the 7th (all powerful?) well then blow me down - what a spin out, but so be it. Empirical evidence is all I care about.
That is really all I care about. I don't have a belief at all when it really comes down to it. An explorer doesn't have a belief in a new land, the explorer just explores and finds what he finds. Christians draw the map and decide their land exists and then never leave port because their drawing is all the proof they need.
Do you really think is your wildest dreams we know what the fuck we are talking about? Do you really?
Do you really think some bullshit texts written over the course of thousands of years by people who believed in magic and witches and dragons really knew what the fuck they were talking about?
You can't mate, you are simply too intelligent. Something is going on here that just doesn't add up.
To answer expressly as to whether I can see my arguments exposed I'd put this down to the rapid nature I write these posts, the vaguaries of the english language and my inablitiy to always express exactly what I'm thinking. It may appear that way, but certainly doesn't seem so from my perpsective.
BTB: I can tell you honestly I have zero fear of death or a supposed eternal damnation. I can happily write "god is a <insert any expletive of your choosing>" (I can't write the expletive because the post will get deleted). There's not an atom of a belief in god in my entire body. The crazy thing is just how offended people get when I do something like this. It is a fascinating experiment actually. Look, not that I like aggravating people but the fact is, I am not aggravating them, they are aggravating themselves. Over a sentence that does not even apply to them. Out of curiosity, if was to write "g is an asshole" are you offended? What reaction does it invoke? Could you not care less? Are you mortified? If so, why? Being scared of a mistical grey beared skyman TT is a terrible state in which to live ones life, I'm not trying to be funny, not trying to be a smart ass, I am deadly serious. A terrible way to live.
Now you're just being an ass.
Show me where the missionary conversions are at gunpoint or the tip of a sword these days?
You can site Catholicism, crusades, inquisitions, witch burnings....but it's not an honest citation. That was politics, not religion. Just as much as ISIS or AQ. When people just start winging it, it's politics and power.
THESE DAYS. THESE DAYS. Sure, let's forget history.
It doesn't matter didly squat the method missionaries use, why don't they mind their own fucking business. Notice also how missionaries invariably prey on the uneducated.
Oh come on. Your reference to Lashonda and her eight abortions is transparently racist. It's not unusual around here, of course; it's the way people talk here. The regulars get very annoyed when anyone complains. We all get that. But your pious denial is a bit rich.
p.s. here is a more accurate revision of your typology:
Left Wing: If Lashonda chooses to have her eighth abortion, you should jump at the chance to pay for it becuase the kid would cost you 100x more. Take her word for it. When people choose things like that they know what they are doing.
Right Wing: If Little Biffy Spratt has skin darker than a certain shade, we'll look the other way if the boys decide to kill her varmint after it's born; but if she dares to pluck it out of her womb, she's goin' to haaaaaall by way of prison.
Libertarian: We'd um rather not talk about that.
Seriously, Ron and Rand are no diffierent than any other Repulican in thinking of women as breeding sows whose bodies are owned by the government.
So using a hypothetical woman named Lashonda that chooses to have eight abortions as an example, makes me a racist?
Here is some data:
What does using a hypothetical girl named Little Biffy Spratt that gets pregnant from fucking a quarterback make me? A pedophile? A Ravens fan?
Sorry, but you are wrong, again.
Trying to put a black spin on every issue makes you a racist.
A short time on ZH is plenty to convince anyone that nothing will ever change in the USSSSSSA, because everyone hates and fears knee grows more than the Fed, or fiat currency, or QE, or Wall Street or any of the official bugbears. The crowd will always be easily manipulated for that reason. And you, yes, choose to reinforce that divide-and-conquer strategy by putting a black spin on the issue of abortion when no one forced you to do that.
Hey, he's no racist: if Lashonda were black there's no way she'd have 8 abortions and lose all that government assistance.
Lashonda don't live here no more!
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lashonda
My god man.
Did you see Lakeisha? And the two white chicks, obviously made a wrong turn?
More than just a few of those images appear to be mug shots. Juss sayin'.
Whoa, Lashonda appears to be a popular name these daze!
And you, yes, choose to reinforce that divide-and-conquer strategy by putting a black spin on the issue of abortion when no one forced you to do that.
Ummm....how about the statistics? Don't be a coward, don't be afraid to acknowledge the truth.
Don't have to dig too far into Planned Parenthood's past and founders to know that it's all about killing lots and lots of black babies.
Eugenics. That's the old "scientific" word for it. Thanks Margaret! She has a predominantly black school named after her, just to heighten the evil irony of it all. Yet, they have no idea....
If that ain't the very end all of racism, I'd don't know what is.
Bloody crying little squirms in a shoe box on a black doctors shelf. It's double plus good when they get you to wipe out your own.
We all pay for it, though. And we will pay a higher price still.
Margaret Sanger...Yes.
From Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
From Wikipedia page on Eugenics...CONVENIENTLY LEFT OFF FROM THE HISTORY OF THE MARGARET SANGER PAGE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
Yes. Hitler was a student of her work as well as all of the Eugenicists..
He was very fond of the idea.
There were no Mentally Retarded or Mentally Ill in Nazi Germany. They emptied the Asylums. There were Medical Experiments to be performed.
Then he planned the same fate for the elderly and senile. There was a public outcry with that. So Hitler did not so as not to lose his political support. But thet were also "useless eaters".
Thank you John Rockefeller...
No...It was not targeted at Black People.
Harlem is IVORY WHITE, right?.
Meh, using force to destroy a defenseless baby pretty much blows a mile wide whole in libertarianism. Yes, we believe in liberty except for the right to live of those we deem unworthy. Pretty much makes the whole movement about dirty hippies wanting to get high or egomaniacs wanting to set the rules the way they want which is just another version of what we have now.
yes, and don't forget about using a condom, that's just as bad, because it prevents a life that was meant to be.
contraception is murder!
A bgot is also a person who insists on their version of 'truth' despite clear evidence to the contrary.
(I suspect HH's morality is derived from literal-bible reading, halallujah-jacking. testimony-making, and swashbucking-prayer giving,) I have no hard evidence of any of this. Just hints and insinuations.)
I like to read between the lines and listen to what is not said.
Its okay Hedgless, keep playing the "who, me?" card all you want. All I see is grizzled old man hiding in the hills, hoping for the world to burn.
But you've got your hick buddies like "Knukles" to keep you company here, and the rest. As for my posting history, its gotten purged, no doubt by the same fucks that "appreciate" your instagram-rabbit dinner bullshit.
So keep on "Aw shuck-ing" and playing to the Matlock crowd, you two-faced hillbilly.
c'mon knuckles, have you not noticed the new archived comments feature on ZH?
you've been a member (no sarc, heh) for 5 years now, yet you only started posting on Aug 28 this year!!!???
I knew it! Knucks is a plant!
Haha you are on too of this kind of thing. I called out an obvious troll for the same thing, and you pointed that out to me about yourself, how it only showed you posting comments for the last few months, but you had been for years. Oh well, the person I called out was def trolling. I don't remember the names of everyone who posts, but I have an excellent memory, and I remember most names if I've seen them before. There are also a few who only show up on certain types of threads and engage in obvious thread jacking, I always remember them too.
Hey knukles, you former financial product slinging asshole - here's some proof via the internet, you know, that thing you don't fucking understand because you're an ancient old grey bag of bones:
Posted a year ago - scroll down:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-30/bonds-best-bullion-battered-pro...
Here's one from 2011 - scroll down:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bernanke-believes-black-science-hedonics
But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of your country-bumpkin routine. Oh, your idol Hedgeless didn't scrub all his photos, maybe its time to send some "brothers" to have a tete-a-tete with him in person, lol.
He'd probably faint and piss himself.
hey big sigma--- I learned from "travons dad" in the white house and his better half how to be a closet racist--- so know I'm a died in the wool racist---but I haven't decided on a race to hate yet---how ever we see your all up on the white/black racist thing-- so let me give you a posey you fucking race bating nigger loving piece of shit--there-- get your cookies off? move on--
Exponere Mendaces - for your stupid comments and even more stupid conclusions, may I suggest that you.....EAT SHIT AND DIE.
Oh and fuck you too! Double post, I hope.
Pretty lame.
That is what we love,
and you guys hate,
about this site.
We explain the lies, eh e.m.?
How long did it take you to get your courage up,
you cock eating bunny?
There isn't anything in that Libertarian post I could see that was even remotely biased against any skin color.
But thanks for dragging out the racist card anyone platforms on less government.
D@mn, hope you didn't pull any hamstrings jumping to that conclusion!
Let's consider this a little deeper. Even most libertarians, I believe, do not believe murder should be legal and left to private ordering. Therefore the libertarian view of abortion depends on whether you consider a fetus to be a small human being or a clump of tissue like a cyst. There is no inconsistency in being a pro-life libertarian if you hold the former view of unborn persons - - your freedom stops at the end of my nose and all that.
Sorry, but you are wrong.
So, if women have an abortion, the women are criminals.
Or am I reading your statement wrong?
You're reading the statement wrong, you fucking pinhead.
faith views...
What does it mean?
It means libertarians don't want to be nailed down on if a certain type of person can be butchered or not since it is sensitive. Don't want to rock the boat. Except with smoking pot. Then rock that boat. I'm sure they'll get to abortion right after deciding if men can legally rape a goat.
very interesting post & link HH, particularly considering your occasional forays into stirring the shit on this subject - am I to read into this post/link that while you might "hate" LaShonda for killing her "babies" - you would allow her that right, as per your version of "Libertarian" linked? (I'm assuming it is your version, but as the comments are "missing" I'm not so sure.)
also from your link:
1.3 Personal Relationships
another very interesting perspective held - is it yours? or just "theoretical?
No. Those thoughts of hate are entirely your own.
Your reading comprehension scores tonight aren't so good.
Here are the first three lines of the linked article:
From http://www.lp.org/platform
LIBERTARIAN PARTY PLATFORM
As adopted in Convention, May 2012, Las Vegas, Nevada
ahhh, so you put up a blog post last year that was a copy/paste of the Libertarian Party Platform, and then linked it in this article, with no commentary, and
you disagree with both the past link and the platform?
sheesh, no wonder you confuse. again, no comments in your link, so difficult to discern what your point of view was, nor how folks here responded. the title is:
which might be misleading, since you don't believe in the "rights of the individual"?
as to your hate speech, I stand by my opinions, based on many years of your posting privileges, which thankfully for you, are memory-holed now.
you have an obvious agenda, even if you act the slippery-preacher when caught.
Your rhetorical technique of using bold non-sequitur accusations with a question mark is pedestrian and fallacious.
I wonder how you ever came to the conclusion that it is effective since you are so resentful because you are obese? Is it that you are angry because you aborted several children early in life and are lonely now?
whoa, LMAO - are you callin' me FAT? because I call you out on your picture posting privileges abused?
you are a fuckin' trip dude.
not that it matters, but no, no abortions nor any children - I'm a responsible human adult that doesn't need to believe in any FatherSkyGod to justify my existence, nor revere anyone who does.
go vote. go pray. it's your life and your choices. leave others to theirs. stick to pics of your wife/kids/food, things that belong to YOU. get out of other people's lives.
I believe that infanticide violates the unborn's right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Down vote me, murderous scum.
I think not all libertarians see things the same way.
A fetus is a parasite.
The decision to abort is that of the parasite's host and no one else.
Everyone has their own agenda...
Someone said this: Is it better to have an fetus unborn, than a child born who is unwanted, unfed, unclothed. uneducated, and unloved?
Jesus said this,
"It is better that you should not have been born rather than harm one of these."
,,,when referring to children.
Perhaps it would be better that those, whom do not clothe, feed, want, love, or NURTURE the child, were to have been aborted
...and not the fetus.
Hey Tall Tom,
Did Jesus have anything to say about today's 100 million people who are starving? Did he mention anything about 1 billion people living in squalor?
The poor we will always have. Jesus
So I guess the progressive thing to do would be to just kill them seeing as how we obviously missed out on the opportunity while in utero. That's the beautiful thing about progressivism, they always have solutions. The left has always pushed for abortion, primarily to eliminate "unwanted" low income, low intelligence, low genetic value type people. All we need is a good caste system so we better know where we stand with them. Who it is acceptable to kill and who is not.
People are good intentioned being against abortion, they consider the death of a foetus murder. Maybe in a perfect world all parents would devote themselves to their children, planned and unplanned and all children would get a fair go. Problem is, we don't live in a perfect world. You can't make a parent love their child regardless of your stance on abortion.
Consider this thought experiment. Imagine we are all sterilised at birth, males and females. The procedure is completely reversible. At the age of 18 you can elect to have the procedure reversed, anytime, no questions asked. Every child then born is wanted and the result of a conscious act to bear that child. Ignoring the obvious problems of governments then deciding who can have the procedure, in principle though, would the world be better?
nice one.
you'd think any caring "god" would have that option built-in, eh.
Mother nature is truly horrible. The suffering in the animal kingdom is beyond imagining and can only be the result of unthinking forces. If only we were born sterile at birth with a simple reversible procedure, the amount of suffering avoided would probably make this planet the paradise christians are looking for after death.
But we breed like unthinking animals until collapse, it seems unavoidable.
Yes.
When I was younger, I thought of how terrible it would be to feel all the pain and suffering that occurs in only one second in the world.
Most abortion decisions are made for purely ECONOMIC reasons. The Question everyone should be asking: "Why can't a single female support and raise as many children as she desires?" Also, where are the sperm donors?
As are you a parasite on this planet. Should we have you "scraped" at our earliest convenience?
No, we can consciously elect to reduce our numbers but unfortunately we are too fucking stupid or selfish or both. Go forth and procreate mother fuckers and don't stop until you have detsroyed every last vestige of the natural world.
Parasites ARE the natural world numb nuts. We are the natural world, until nature deems us redundant or superfluous and eliminates us. Of course we have never been afraid to step in and give nature a helping hand.
OH MY FUCKING GOODNESS. Ok, sure, we're parasites and there is nothing we can do collectively to prevent our donwfall. Natrural world you, dumb cunts, I am implicitly referring to as the ecosystem. The oceans, the forests, the fucking AIR. CAPISH.
What the hell? Are you not part of the natural world?
See above where I apparently need to state explicitly that the "Natural World" I talk about is the eco-fucking-system. OK, OK, let me come up with a non-ambiguous term. That part of the earth seperate to humans (that is, everything else), meaning specifically, that part which we affect by our presence.
We shall remain "parasites" until we find a way to voluntarily leave this rock and its gravity well.
We could just have less kids, it is that simple. All the problems are either reduced substantially or go away completely: global warming, over fishing, air pollution, degradation of top soils, poverty, crime, unemployment . . . . . . . . . . .
We are just too stupid to see the prize right in front of our faces. I'm not saying no kids, I'm saying LESS KIDS.
It's sort of a bit late now, now we do have to really put the screws on breeding and people will not like that. But if you pull all your future population into the present by breeding like fucking rabbits bad luck to you and your species.
A person is a parasite - to the planet.
The decision to abort <you> and <I> will be determined by a scientific fascist elite. You are not in that club. You will never be in that club. You cannot join that club.
Careful what you wish for...
A newborn baby is a parasite. Many fully grown adults could be classified as parasites. Just think of all the people you could kill with a clear conscience? (individual results may vary) The oligarchs, the banks, the military, the gangs, the police, they all have jobs for you. You'll never want for work.
Is it possible that death is a part of life. Human bodies are colonies of life. We must have life and death occuring in our Bodies on a daily basis or more frequently.
Pagan Idea: Circle of Life, Wheel of Life, Cycle of Life and Death, Seasons of rebirth (Probably part of Christianity as well)
Libertarian View of Abortion is anything that I say it is.
As a Statist Nation we like to tell people what to do, then we take their kids & put them in Child Protective Services where they get molested, we pay them huge Welfare every year for each child (funded by inflating Fiat), this means the single mothers will be Economic Losers, and parents in my work place will cast judgement on me/insult me/coerce me to live up to their parenting values... because there are kids everywhere even when there are no kids at work I have to live up to the Statist Values.
No, Financially, Economically, Socially, Education System-wise, Welfare-wise, Doctrine-wise... Libertarians allow women to make their decisions about Abortion.
Nanny State Value = No Abortions (Let's Pretend Death seldom happens and people don't grow up to be Zombies that run naked in the USA trying to eat other people)
To find your answer:
Go punch a pregnant woman in the stomach resulting in a miscarriage and then see what you are charged with.
You won't be commended for the helpful removal of a cyst or meaningless tissue.
It's whatever a woman decides it to be. You have no right even asking because you own a penis and thus don't matter.
Hope that clears things up.
I have to disagree here. I feel that a fetus is a living human being and should be protected as such. That does not make me right or left. That just makes my opinion different that a lot of libertarians. I think that matter is still very much up for debate and only the closed minded want to shut it off. We might even disagree on what it means to be a living human being. Some people apparently feel that a child is not such until or after the age of four years. Does that make them right or left? I think it makes them demons but that is not a right or left thing is it?
I agree. At what point does it become infanticide? oies the child have to physically pass through the vagina and what about c sections? 20 weeks? Viability on it's own (pushed back steadily by neonatology). I also think it should be up to the individual. Anyone who thinks they can force you to have it should have to take care of the kid. Personally, I'd have to be up against a serious wall to even consider it but I don't want to take anyone else's right to free will away.
But the question is, who's free will are we talking about? The adult or the child/fetus? I would fall on the side of the one unable to defend his/herself. Tough shit for the one that lost control or made a mistake. My sympathies to the one who was forced. All the same, the little one caused no harm and doesn't deserve to be punished for whatever the adult(s) did.
how 'bout if the fetus can survive on its own outside the woman's body, then it simply
survives on its own, with subsequent medical care that - who? - pays for.
if we are talking about ZYGOTES and other scientific definitions of fetal development, then it's a different story and outcome.
whatever happened to the precious science you folks hold so dear?
a zygote is not a fetus is not a baby is not a child.
So some libertarian's got your zygote yet again?
har har billy, no worries tho' - I don't have any zygotes,
and you can't find any real libertarians.
so I guess we've both just got another click bait thread where HH comes in and drops a few shit stirring posts then vacates.
*stretches & yawns*
I'll leave ya to your messages, mr. "2 weeks, 4 days". I'm outta here. . .
"mr. "2 weeks, 4 days""
There you go hatin' on us zygotes again.
"I have to disagree here. I feel that a fetus is a living human being and should be protected as such"
OK, that's fine, you look after it then. How far does your charity go? Let me guess, it doesn't go beyond the actual debate does it?
So stab it in the head before it breaches the birth canal? What is just part of the head gets through, is it a fetus or a baby then?
Seriously though. Using your first criteria would mean virtually all abortions performed would be killing viable children. Science says so.
As to who pays, who is responsible? If you throw a rock through a window and break the glass who is responsible to pay for the damage? If you get yourself or a girl pregnant (not knowing your gender) then you are the one who threw the rock. You broke the window. Sure, you had help but you did it. You pay.
Responsibility. It ain't complicated.
"whatever happened to the precious science you folks hold so dear? a zygote is not a fetus is not a baby is not a child."
Ok, Mz/Mr Science Professor, when is a "zygote" not a zygote and when is a fetus a fetus?
I want the day "YOUR precious science" has the answer...