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Politics Explained (In 1 Simple Table)
Having clarified where you stand on the political spectrum, we thought this handy guide to what you believe in for the most hot-potato-like political factors would be useful at your next cocktail party...
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You, my misguided friend, need to work on your reading comprehension.
Preaching to the choir buddy. They have at least considered it. "google it".
Where did I say anythjing about what they "considered". Don't be sucked in by their hot air. The operative word is "done", not "considered".
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The "Politics Explained (In 1 Simple Table)" thingamabob explained in one sentence: Libertarianism is anarchy.
Every post-Armageddon and -Apocalypse movie ever made incarnates Libertarianism triumphant.
"Libertarianism is anarchy"
See my comment #5434816 above.
OK. Read your post.
Am I reading you correctly: Anarchists don't like libertarianisms coopting anarchy because Libertarians do anarchy so poorly?
I commented on Libertarianism and anarchy in another post: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-09/isnt-it-time-we-turned-american...
Libertarianism, being anti-authoritarian in the extreme, tends towards anarchy, the philosophy which is as extreme from authoritarian as possible.
To Libertarians, then, anarchy is a strange attractor. As to the meat-and-potatoes, rubber-meets-the-road differences and similarities between Libertarianism and anarchy, it appears you could explain them better than I.
I suppose that depends upon what the meaning of 'is' is.
The OP said that "Libertarianism is anarchy". I took that to mean that Libertarianism = anarchy, which of course is not a true statement.
i'm the ghost of someone that used to live in a libertarian country. no-one paid their taxes beacause they weren't forces to. a neighbor country invaded us and killed us and took all our nice chicks. it was great while it lasted
When you wake up from your oh-so-funny little dream, go out and find a real live libertarian or anarchist and attempt to assault his woman. Then drop us a line from the emergency room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxXwKPLZyVs
lets get into the way back machine
Left and right wings: you should. "L"ibertarian: you should not. No other options, or nuance.
The world really is simple - I learned that on Zero Hedge.
As an official card carrying anarchist, I'll say this: fuck off, Libertarians.
"official card carrying anarchist"
As one anarchist to another let me ask, who issued you such an "official card?" And how do you expect to gain allies in this world if you demand that they all be perfect in your eyes?
You might be the first anarchist I can understand. Be careful though. Cooperation and stuff can lead to rules and government. It might not but it could.
Those who learn that voluntary cooperation is both morally and practically superior to forced cooperation will remember that lesson all of their lives.
Anarchy means "no rulers", not "no rules". Rules (such as the non-aggression principle) are necessary but government's monopoly on the use of force only ensures that the rules will not be followed by the rulers themselves.
Number one, "official card carrying anarchist" was ironic humor; as one anarchist to another, I would think you would get that and laugh. Ha, ha.
Number two, I never demanded anything.
Number three, I'm not looking for allies.
"I'm not looking for allies."
Some dismiss libertarianism or anarchism as misanthropic philosophies. That always struck me as odd because I see the reliance on voluntary action as a basis for human interaction to be a far more hospitable method of social organization than the reliance on violence for social control as practiced by government. In other words, anarchism makes it easier to interact socially and economically with other individuals. That's probably the most important ramification of liberty in my opinion.
But you seem to be saying that you are one of those inveterate loners who avoids all human contact such as the naysayers insist personifies all no government/small government types.
How does it feel to be a the living embodiment of a dubious caricature? Do you ever interact with any humans whatsoever and do you hope to achieve any practical end by doing so?
A card-carrying anarchist?
What 'official' authority issued your card?
If you issued it yourself, then you are a self-appointed anarchist.
Why not just be autonomous?
Do not read this.
Listen Zero's.
Let's try to push out a very specific political story about "LEFT", "RIGHT", and "LIBERTARIAN". Then depending on the users comments we can determine their political beliefs and we can then use that "INFORMATION" to add to "THEIR" jacket.
FUCK YOU!
Not ONE of the people standing with Bundy would want any of the items listed by "RIGHT WING", and I believe most of them would self identify as Conservative.
It is usually a socialist in Libertarian's clothing that uses such bullshit to discredit the True Conservative movement.
Like this author.
Sounds like a great philosophy for single young people with no responsibility and billionaires!
Libertarians = selfish pricks
"Libertarians = selfish pricks"
Wrong my friend.
In my experience, libertarians are often the most generous and helpful people to meet. These are the people who help others, not because the government mandates it and taxes accordingly, but because they want others to rise above the pathetic state of state dependency and to stand on their own feet. This is what gives people pride in themselves and turns them into useful citizens.
In my experience, Libertarians are full of shit. They can't see past their narrow world view.
Then how come the people of the left (of which Rs and Ds are) are less generous with their own but extremely generous when they can give a slice the muscle who takes from others to give to the causes of which they approve?
Yup, I said it. Here is it in plain english. You and your kind are nothing more than thieves and bullys ala greedy little petty tyrants.
If you want to be generous then do so. You forcing others to be generous on your behalf is not generous at all. We all know you just want a piece for yourself or the power you can buy with it. You need mental help for your little Napolean complex. You are not God. Get over yourself.
Cognitive Error - All or nothing thinking.
Or perhaps a Generalization.
I pity your "experience"
One thing about Libertarians. The disapprove of extravagant aid to Israel. They think Israel should take care of itself.
If they want a Jewish state, they can keep their Jewish state.
"Libertarians = selfish pricks"
Right, because suggesting that violence should never be used to coerce others into giving you money and power is bad. Good, righteous people always insist that someone else pay their way and die in wars to support their prejudices.
Double post (because one is not enough for selfish libertarians).
My pipe dream: I believe that a limited government is possible if we conduct our lives and activities in a way that doesn't require constant government intervention. True Republicans (Libetarians) don't have to spend $6 billion a financial quarter on lawyers to defend their questionable activities (JP Morgan, et al.), or hide the fact that their products are defective (all auto co's?), or pay a full-time salary that requires government assistance to survive, getting a free pass with a petty fine in lieu of jail time when these conspiracies come to light. Oh wait, that, and a lot more IS what GOP stands for -and I want CHANGE! They call me a RINO for refusing to cheer and applaud the status quo, but I say those that betray "the code" are RMC, Republican Money Changers, who's tables need to be usurped -though I'm not going to hold my breath that a majority will ever understand or stand behind the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. Say hello to the new bosses, same as the old.....?
Nice chart. Sums it up well. It goes almost without saying that I reside along the bottom line ...
And just to pile it on, I took that Libertarian test linked to on ZH the other day and scored 100%.
I must be a prime candidate for a government re-education program to rid me of these evil thoughts of freedom and liberty.
We all know the left vs Right thing is Pure BS. Neither really embrace liberty in true form. But There is an unspoken problem with a pure-libertarian stance, and it is one of an Irony:
Without Taxes, Without some type of organized central planning, you have no real Military, and thus your country FALLS to another power that would love to make you their bitchez.
There must be a formal central control, Military, and a way to fund that military. If not by taxes, then by producing something the citizens CHOOSE to purchase. Like, maybe...Electricity, or clean water, or grain.
The problem then is one of preventing central-corruption of the government attempting to lock in outrageous prices...so, prices must be set in accordance with international market prices.
But make no mistake...without some form of true central government that is FUNDED, you dont have a country in which to have Zerohedge.
As for welfare and helping people - currently also Pure BS - We haveno true charity anymore. all the money given to Charities is just really spent on...advertising that charity. Other than St Judes and a few others, 95% of donations goes to running the charity...maybe if we were all not taxed to death, and had more expendable money, a lot more peolple in need would get real help...not government slavery welfare and EBT and EIC etc etc.
Indeed, yes,
Obamimator!
War made the state. Militarism is the supreme ideology, and it deserves to be so, because nothing else is more important than the murder systems that human beings operate. The hidden problem behind all of the alleged "politics" summarized in that MATRIX CHART is that it does not deal directly with the paradox of enforcement, which always accompanies any alleged "rule of law."
The real ways that things developed was that natural selection pressures became internalized as human intelligence, which then made systems of artificial selection. However, that was driven by natural selection to develop the cultural systems of artificial selection on the basis that success in warfare was based on deceits and spies. Therefore, the actual murder systems operated on the basis of the maximum possible deceits, which included the ways that all of the significant controlled opposition groups to those established systems were co-opted to operate within the same frame of reference of deep deceits about the death controls.
That enabled the entire political economy to be built on the basis of enforced frauds, while those who were the most successful at doing that also became the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. (E.g., like Obama became President because he could dish out the bullshit that people wanted to hear better than any of his rivals at the time.) The essential paradoxical nature of the most successful death controls actually operated through the maximum possible deceits is what makes all of our political processes become based on the principles and methods of organized crime, which have become runaway criminal insanities, since those were amplified to more astronomical SIZES by advances in science and technology.
ALL of the Left and the Right, as well as the Libertarians, are drowning in their own bullshit. The Libertarians in particular are able to deliberately ignore the questions regarding how "freedom" is supposed to exist when the first law of nature is the conservation of energy. Furthermore, the Libertarians almost always present their implicit "rule of law" as somehow a sublime thing, which is not fraught with its inherent paradoxes of enforcement, which are that only those groups who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up violence, can enforce their "rule of law" against other groups.
All "sovereignty" is the de facto product of the history warfare, through which the surviving governments were basically the best military organizations. The vast majority of people were brainwashed to believe in totally bullshit stories about all of that. All of those groups above in the MATRIX CHART are promoting different versions of the biggest bullies' bullshit, while none of them will admit that basic fact.
Citizens ought to more fully understand that they are actually members of an organized crime gang, called their country. Instead, they have been totally brainwashed to believe in the kinds of bullshit that enables the actually existing systems to continue to operate on the basis of the maximum possible deceits and frauds. Our political processes literally could not be more criminally insane now, nor could be stopped from becoming more criminally insane in the foreseeable future, unless there were a prodigious series of political miracles that enabled the real death controls to be done through greater uses of information which enabled higher consciousness.
However, human beings have actually developed an artificial culture which pretty well has made all the basic facts of life as taboo as possible, which was part and parcel of the processes of the real death controls being done through the maximum possible deceits, while that then backed up the debt controls being done through the maximum possible frauds.
All of the mainstream morons on the Left and the Right perceive politics is totally backwards bullshit ways, as the ways that they were taught to see it. The Libertarians are all reactionary revolutionaries, who propose a series of impossible political miracles, which are based on a sublime "rule of law" existing without anything to back that up, which would necessarily become entangled in its paradoxes of enforcement.
Furthermore, those Libertarians are thousands of years way too late to fix the problems that almost the whole world has already be privatized, due to the long history of backing up claims with coercion. Libertarians promote impossible ideals regarding "free markets" which deliberately ignore that historically warfare was a "free market" in murder, which then was the foundation for the current economic systems which are based on a "free market" in fraud. That is the only reason why they look good in the context of that MATRIX CHART above.
You have it backwards.
Warfare was a survival tactic of tribes living in zero sum economies. After nature's imposed limit of about 150 tribal members was overcome by brain growth and positive sum economics, killing and stealing, and additionally, slavery, were used by governments to grow faster because larger, more powerful states, enjoyed better survival probabilities. Currently, that is exemplified by the drive for a world government - virtually no threat from a competitor.
Libertarians/anarchists, being the latest to develop, are apparently the only ones aware that the killing, stealing, destroying, and enslaving of government exists only to support a mechanism for survival that developed millions of years in ago a zero sum economy of the animal world.
Therefore, they would like to relegate it to the past.
Anusocracy, I agree that the initial opportunities of the industrial revolutions, to develop technologies that could harvest thereby newly made available inanimate energy sources, effectively allowed everyone to have the equivalent of something like hundreds of slaves working for them. (E.g., a gallon of gasoline delivers the amount of work that one fit man could perform during something like 500 hours.)
As shown in middle of the video that was embedded here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-09/peak-cheap-oil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKihKkx0eY
The Crash Course - Chapter 20 - Peak Cheap Oil
Therefore, TEMPORARILY, civilization has enabled an amazing transformation of the previous human systems, when there was nothing but animate energy, and thus, civilization was based on old-fashioned slavery, along with the domestication of other animals and plants. However, despite that, I do NOT agree that I have it backwards, to assert that individual human beings, and civilizations as a whole, are still basically entropic pumps of energy.
The currently serious problems are that everything our civilization is used to doing was based on being able to strip-mine the natural resources of a fresh planet, that had never been raped and plundered by big apes with steel motors, powered by fossil fuels. It became even way WORSE due to that recently becoming electronic and atomic power, still directed by the desires of human beings who are mostly still feel the same and behave in similar ways as monkeys. Human social pyramid systems are indeed like all the other pecking orders found in many different animal species. Similar factors were at play in them, as well as us. However, what nobody else but human beings (that we now know of) have DONE is develop the ability of a brain that can build a mental model of its world, with a mental model of itself within its mental model of the world. All of politics is based on human beings constructing languages through which they may develop their mutual mental models of themselves and others.
THE PROFOUND PROBLEM REGARDING ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN THE HISTORY OF SUCCESSFUL WARFARE BASED ON DECEITS, ESPECIALLY SPIES! POLITICS WAS WARFARE BY OTHER MEANS, THE SAME AS WARFARE WAS POLITICS BY OTHER MEANS. THE RESULT IS THAT ALMOST ALL OF OUR MOST DOMINANT POLITICS IS BASED ON ENFORCED FRAUDS!
My opinion continues to be that "Libertarians/anarchists" are almost totally a bunch of reactionary revolutionaries singing the political equivalents of "silly little love songs," which are popular with some audiences. I perceive that there are CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS, WHICH MUST BE PERPETUALLY RESOLVED SOMEHOW.
There must be some human murder systems operating death controls at the core of any possible human system. I think that the old-fashioned ways of doing that are no longer going to work, and as the imperatives for reconciling human ecology with industrial and natural ecologies become greater and greater, as the limits and longer term effects of the industrial revolutions being able to strip-mine a fresh planet become more extremely intense, that will force there to develop different systems of death controls.
By and large, I regard every political ideology and religion that I know about as being useless bullshit. Furthermore, I regard the secret or covert methods of operating real death controls practiced by the current ruling classes to also be criminally insane. In my view we should go through a series of intellectual scientific revolutions sufficient to enable the social facts regarding systemic death controls to be publicly faced and resolved better. However, at the present time, we actually operate those through the maximum possible deceits, and deliberate ignorance. Those attitudes cover pretty well the entire gamut of both the established systems and the controlled opposition.
"Libertarians/anarchists" provide absolutely NOTHING as contribution towards being able to operate better death controls, due to the ways that they promote impossible ideals, which can never actually exist in the real world, and therefore, would actually cause the opposite to happen to what they were supposed to do, the same as ALL the other impossible ideals based on false fundamental dichotomies are doing.
The only things that exist are different systems of organized lies, operating robberies, in dynamic equilibria with each other. Those are going to be driven through some changes in state, because ALL the old systems have become dangerously obsolete! The main political problem today is that the dominate organized crime gangs get away with pretending that they are somehow not organized crime gangs, but rather have some sort of de jure justifications for existing that are not merely their de facto history.
The main thing which is going to be necessary, IF we are going to develop a more genuinely scientific society, is that we will have to start thinking using unitary mechanisms, rather than continuing to think using false fundamental dichotomies. ALL of the Left, Right, and Libertarian views presented in that MATRIX CHART continue to be based on bullshit false fundamental dichotomies and their related impossible ideals, which makes the human energy systems impossible to reconcile with the industrial and natural energy systems.
Most of the ways that most people think are still based on common sense, which continues to presume a world view that advancing sciences have PROVEN to be WRONG, as demonstrated by the FACTS that electronic and atomic energy, etc., can be understood enough to make machines that work on the basis of that understanding. That is why I think you are WRONG, Anusocracy, that I have it backwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQV_4-rXXrE
I agree, trader1, that power is always distributed. However, I do not necessarily agree with the language that regards informational civil war as being "non-violent."
My basic view is that we live in a Bizarro Mirror World, and that applies to the suggested solutions just as much as to the problems. Therefore, my assertions are that genuine solutions must be based on better death controls.
In my view, those who promote the impossible ideals of non-aggression or non-violence are fundamentally still "understanding" the world backwards, because they continue to use false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals, as the basis of their bogus solutions.
Non-violence or non-aggression are principles which are impossible to reconcile with the basic laws of nature. Politics without violence is like physics without force. Indeed, I find that the general philosophy of the alleged "Liberty Movement" tends to deliberately ignore the philosophical problems about how "freedom" is supposed to be reconciled* with the first law of nature, the conservation of energy. (* I think that can be done by reversing the ways that we think about time and space, and therefore about entropy.) However, it is practically impossible to develop better human ecologies, integrated with better industrial and natural ecologies, using absurd ideals in ways that could never be made consistent with the basic laws of nature!
I'm all for you suffering under whatever type of shitty government you want, You believe in it, embrace that belief yourself because I want no part of it.
Your brain is wired to believe that government has to be the basis of every type of social arrangement - especially the one compatible with your mindset. You cannot change that, but you can stop forcing it upon others.
So, why don't you live in your primate world and let those of us who want to be free live in a human world?
The problem with this kind of silly chart is that it is THOUSANDS OF YEARS TOO LATE to go back to being any kind of idealized "Libertarian."
Another simplistic chart, like the simple quiz the other day. Only someone with limited understanding of the dynamics of language and how fads change definitions could make such a chart.
And maybe it has little Utility, Use, Value.
Does this Chart Inform the Reader or Teach the Reader? NO.
Obviously the Left & the Right should support rigorous Auditing of Banks, Shadow banking, Black Market Labor Force, FED, Government Spending, Shell Companies, IRS, CIA, FBI, DOJ, SEC, FINRA, Commodities Trading, Price of Gasoline when Supplies have been up since 2008 Financial Crash, and why we have spend $60 Billion a year on DHS when the borders are wide open. Why did we go to war in Vietnam and Iraq?
Dems & Repubs should be conservative based in Business practices, Budgeting, Accounting, Banking.
I Refuse to accept populist definitions of "Progressive" and "Conservative". If you live in Europe it means different things. And I think Social Security & MEDICARE are good programs. The pendulum needs to swing back toward Auditing in order to start streamlining government & laws.
Plus we get to catch the crooks.
Or since July 4th 2008 for a Conservative.
What libertarian based societies existed thousands of years ago?
One other thing about Libertarians. They think people should have the right to realize altered states of consciousness.
Think THC. peyote.
I think it should be pointed out that Libertarianism is well accounted for and gets plenty of political exposure.
Many elites in the 1% of the 1% are Libertarians despite the fact that they got to be the 1% of the 1% because of their ties to big government.
Libertarian island a billionaires utopia.
You do not have to be a, "Libertarian" to be against big government.
"libertarians" will have you believe that if you are against big government they are the only choice beside thing I and thing II
Vote your conscience but if you want to really have an impact, starve the beast by repudiating personal debt.
Worthless, this artlce was. And wildly inaccurate.
and intentionally trolling.
only females pictured as voters, click bait for the demographics here. . .
'course, it's lifted from the burning platform, so foaming at the mouth misdirection isn't all that surprising.
I'd LOVE to see how simple things such as building roads for example works in this wonderful Libertarian system.
Please stop posting this drivel. Reality doesnt work this way.
See Article I, Section 8, Clause 7.
"I'd LOVE to see how simple things such as building roads for example works in this wonderful Libertarian system"
Why would building a road in a free market be different from building anything else in a free market? If people need a road then capital will be organized and the road will be built. But there would be no more multi-million dollar bridges to nowhere and people who will not benefit by the building of particular road or who would be adversely effected by it would not be forced to pay for it. That would not be a tragedy, quite the reverse.
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I've seen some crazy rant fests on this site, but this is too much for me. Take your meds, people. Stay on topic. Please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6R2v4wzCoU#t=80
Where you stand on the political spectrum is irrelevant. Politicians come and go, but the bureaucracies remain. They really don't care who is in office.
the "Free Shit Army" will save us ... they may be the last ones standing...
The best thing to do is grant "Handicapped" status to all women, blacks, latinos, lgbt's and all other groups oppressed by the evil straight white male. It's already been done in spirit and through lawsuits, let's just make it official and step aside for the oppressed and allow them to grow into their own destiny without interference.
Where is: "you should avoid, evade and not obey, sanction or finance the system... and most important, you should vigorously defend yourself against the system whenever feasible (non-suicidal)"?
"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They'll have
enough to eat, a bed and roof over their heads. But if an American wants to
preserve his dignity and his equality as a human Being, he must not bow his
neck to any dictatorial government." -- General Dwight David Eisenhower
When you get down to it, the Constitution is a very libertarian document: maximum personal liberty balanced by maximum personal responsibility.