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A country with a "defense" budget as large as America's has LOTS of veterans.
It's unfortunate America's veterans weren't better informed about what they were REALLY fighting for.
The GOVERNMENT and MIC should be very thankful to the Vets...
"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy."
— Henry Kissinger
Happy Veterans Day & Thank You for your Service from PNAC/Ziocon Crew
That's an old favorite of mine.
Today, that line of thinking isn't uncommon in the mid level pentagon.
THANK ME for MY fucking service.
Without the monthly nut that GOV INC bleeds from my hard work, you wouldn't have a fucking job & lifetime bennies to wander around chasing pretend:
- Indians
- Mexicans
- Krauts
- Gooks
- Terrists
- or, in the future 'ALIENS'
which presume to be hiding under every single fucking rock on the planet [especially the ones where poppy & oil fields happen to be]... & are more dangerous to me than the Kim Kardashian wannabe driving next to me on the highway trying to 'multitask' by cutting into my lane while texting her BFF...
THANK ME for MY fucking service.
Without the monthly nut that GOV INC bleeds from my hard work, you wouldn't have a fucking job & lifetime bennies
Allright already: We, your owners, thank you for your servitude. Now get back to work.
Listen.
Excellent comment bro. Excellent.
It is impossible to take seriously anything said by someone who begins every statement with the same (condescending) word.
It is impossible to take seriously anything said by someone who begins every statement with the same (condescending) word.
Dupe, but hey, it was worth repeating.
TruthInSunshine: To Henry Kissinger and other authoritarian elitists of all ilks, stripes, and kinds, we're all dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for anything and everything. Or, haven't you noticed?
Here's another good one:
"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher ups. This is typical with everyone in the military."
- Smedley Butler, United States Marine Corps, Major General, 2-time winner of the Medal of Honor, 1935
When I retired from the usmc I joined the circus and sucked elephant dick until I got my self-respect back...
Interesting quote, except he never said it. Only in the minds of disenfranchised cellar dwellars.
We should all be veterans or there should be none.
Listen.
Fuck you USSA veterans. You are all a bunch of killers with no conscience. Fuck you! You kill for oil and "RESOURCES". Fuck you!
Bangalore. Wow! Is Mommy going to let you stay up past 8:00 tonight? Wow! Will that be the first time? Wow!
Listen
Shut the Fuck Up.
No really
Listen
Shut the Fuck Up
The Pakis will be glad to hear India has no military.
Douche.
Fuck you USSA veterans. You are all a bunch of killers with no conscience. Fuck you! You kill for oil and "RESOURCES". Fuck you!
Except most of us were too young to have realized it back then. By the time I understood what the ZOG was, that it even existed, and why I was carrying a rifle down the streets of places like Najaf and Hillah...it was too late.
I'm sure my awakening was a lot like the awakening of many in that it took a couple years and came with a lot of soul searching and questioning. Hopefully I can play a small part in dismantling the ZOG. We all can, no reason to divide those of us who are on the same side.
Too true. Joseph Heller had to serve before he could write Catch 22.
I do find it interesting that Dalton Trumbo never served but managed to write one of the most brutal anti-war novels EVER.
I congratulate you on having the mental strength to recognize what you were ordered to do may not have been executed for the right reasons, at the macro level. Many aim resentment at others because they don't want to confront the possibility they maybe weren't fighting for a pure cause.
My awakening occurred when I was a college freshman in ROTC and recognized the fetishism for war, weaponry and conformity within my fellow cadets and superiors. I also realized my parents wanted to sacrifice me to the military life to avoid paying much for my education. I pulled out after the first semester. It also went hand-in-hand with pulling out of that college and handling my own life. It was one of the best decisions I've ever made. This was after being blinded to the truth about the military by a family headed by a couple of Cold War kids who put the armed forces on a pedestal.
@Thirtyseven
Honest question/ no disrespect: Don't you get pissed at your parents for not informing you/ them not understanding the ways of the world?
Fuck you punk! Those "killer veterans" are why you are not bowing to a queen right now or doing a Nazi salute. And believe me you would cause they would have dragged you out of the comfortable confines of your mama's basement and cut your balls off if you didn't. You owe your freedom to be a bitter loser stupid ass to those who walked before you and gave everything. Fuck you punk kid.
The ol' if it weren't for us you'd all be speaking German. Love it.
Wow. Someone really touched a nerve with you. I am going to guess you have family that served. Because, by the nature of you reading this site, I can rule out that you are brain washed enough to think that our military in other countries actually defends our freedom at home.
The holiday is for the 1% to be thankful they have a vast farm of meat shields and thugs to protect their overseas interests.
Doubt it?
One our allies still has a queen (please do not tell me she is just a figure head, I mean, we still vote for a president). Maybe we need to go liberate the Uk. Or perhaps Spain?
There is mountains of evidence that the second war could have been avoided, and all the players were aware of what was happening. Everyone that is, except those that were doing the fighting.
Besides, I believe the Russians have 20+ million versions of who actually stopped the world from speaking German.
What fuckin' freedom would that be? The freedom to protest in a designated "Free Speech Zone"? The freedom to buy a .gov approved gun in a .gov approved gun shop after receiving .gov permission? The freedom to build something on your own property after begging for .gov permission and paying a fee to .gov? The freedom to marry whomever you want after begging .gov for permission and paying a fee? How about the freedom to pay your income and property taxes at gunpoint? How about the freedom to wear a motorcycle helmet or wear your seatbelt at gunpoint? Oh, don't let me forget about the freedom to send your children to an indroctination center. At gunpoint.
We should thank the Germans for Europe not being overrun by bolsheviks...
That's one of my favorite things to point out to people who say we HAD to go into WWII. At the time, saving Poland from the ravages of the nazis was deemed worthy of so many thousands of American draftees. So in we went, saving Poland and Eastern Europe from the nazis, only to turn them over to soviet communist rule for the next 50 years. What a crock of shit.
One Word: Kashmir
Fuck Off, Bangalore.
As for our Military, take your head out of your ass; and take a good look at our Politicians and Oligarchy - THEY are the ones directing the Military.
Listen.
Sexy Indian girls luv the forced Kama Sutra. Don't let them fool you!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhSmzpHk8ok
Scum
This is how you handle Rape by your Countryman's Troops...
I dodged the Vietnam War draft. I think there ought to be a momument commemorating me.
Probably at the William J Clinton Presidential Library. take a look
Probably more like the Monica Jewinski library where she dodged his sperm juice & it landed on her blue dress.
Dinero,
Thank you for that. It was people like you who understood what America was intended to be and who had the courage to say NO who ended that war. I have always thought there should be a momument to you and others.
I guess that means you're smarter than Vets and were better informed.
Nice day to call us Vets ignorant.
Feralserf, our veterans knew full well what they were fighting for. The exact opposite applies to you.
That's retarded. Ok, let's play. What were we fighting for in Iraq?
I went over there like 7 years ago, and spent an entire year guarding the two Iraqi oil terminals a few miles off their coast. Take from that what you will. I am glad I went over there if only for the reason that it helped wake me up, and I can tell the uninformed exactly what they are putting their lives on the line for. Thankfully, I never shot anyone or got shot at.
conscious being
8 or so years ago, having learned to critically think decades earlier, I independently investigated the "Bush lied; people died" meme about our 19Mar03 invasion of Iraq.
From page 125 of the Senate Intelligence Committee's "Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs" (Bolded text in original source)
Conclusion 1: Postwar findings indicate that analysis misjudged the impact of sanctions and inspections on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) goals. Analysts accurately assessed that Saddam Hussein wanted WMD, but, in assessing that Iraq had WMD, misjudged Saddam's ability of desire to pursue such programs while sanctions were in place. The Iraq Survey Group concluded that Saddam's primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to end sanctions, while preserving his ability to reconstitute WMD when that occurred. The ISG found that Saddam's behavior under sanctions, in which he never full complied with the United Nations (UN), reflected his efforts to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspectors and gain support for lifting sanctions, with his intention to preserve Iraq's intellectual capital for WMD. Immediately after the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam was confident in Iraq's ability to ride out UN inspections without fully cooperating. He was surprised, however, by the thoroughness of UN inspectors and, in July 1991, order the unilateral destruction of large numbers of undeclared weapons and related material, as well as evidence that Iraq had not fully cooperated with the UN. The ISG found that the Iraq regime has no formal written strategy, plan, or organization for this revival of WMD after sanctions ended. According to the ISG, this strategic intent was Saddam's alone and his lieutenants understood that this was his goal from their long association with him and his infrequent, but firm, verbal statements are orders to them.
From Hans Blix's 3 reports to the UN Security Council:
27Jan03: Iraq has not "come to a genuine acceptance" of the United Nations demand for disarmament, according to Hans Blix, head of the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission. Following 60 days of inspections, Blix reported to the United Nations, criticising Iraq for failing to cooperate fully.
14Feb03: UN Chief Inspector Hans Blix presented on February 14 a report to the UN Security council. Mr. Blix gave an update of the situation in Iraq, and he stated that the Iraqis were now more proactive in their cooperation. He also rebutted some of the arguments proposed by Mr. Powell.
07Mar03: On 14 February, I reported to the Council that the Iraqi side had become more active in taking and proposing steps, which potentially might shed new light on unresolved disarmament issues. Even a week ago, when the current quarterly report was finalized, there was still relatively little tangible progress to note. Hence, the cautious formulations in the report before you.
As of today, there is more.
What are we to make of these activities? One can hardly avoid the impression that, after a period of somewhat reluctant cooperation, there has been an acceleration of initiatives from the Iraqi side since the end of January.
The trend in Blix's reports is clear: Sooner rather than later, Blix would have confirmed that Iraq had no WMDs. As a result, sanctions would have been lifted. As a further result, Saddam would have reconstituted his WMD program.
Thus, I concluded that the invasion of Iraq was warranted.
I could supply links for the above, but why?
You can take the monkey out of the jungle ..but you can't take the jungle out of the monkey.
What a disrespectful cocksucker...
Apparently ~ You can't take the WOOKIE out of her Jimmy Choo espadrilles [leaving the helicopter behind]...
Don't be so hard on the oBUMMER weasel fucker.
That is the ancient kenyan spear chukker tho' down salute.
"A country with a "defense" budget as large as America's has LOTS of veterans."
And needs two holidays to celebrate its veterans and war dead, while most other countries make do with one.
Don't forget Armed Forces Day and Patriots' Day.
Yep. The other one, Decoration Day (now know as Memorial Day) was instituted just after the carnage of the War of Southern Secession (aka the Civil War).
The Union soldiers died to prevent the people in the southern states from leaving the united states of America to form their own government that would better represent their interests much like the people of Catalonia would like to do today.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Some, yes. Especially if they were drafted. Some don't care what the fight is about as long as they're getting the pay and benefits that are likely better than what they can get in the civilian workforce. Anyone who has joined the military since the draft ended is a contractor/mercenary.
I don't wish harm on them, but anyone who joined in the last 15 years knows the worst-case wartime scenarios unless they've been sheltered from mass media by their families. They know what they're getting into. Some of those who fall under the "best job option" group have no issue with milking their military service for any extra benefits and payouts they can get, sometimes for the rest of their lives.
There is no reason for me to thank them for treating me like a piggy bank.
Perhaps I have personally encountered some of the worst excuses for human beings who use their status as "veterans" to try to shield themselves from criticism or from the expectation of behaving as responsible adults, or maybe there are just as many scumbags in the military as there are in the general population. I will not blindly thank someone for their "service" without knowing who they are and how they treat those around them.
Also, the cartoon isn't based in reality. I can't turn on the TV or drive down the street without seeing commercials, tributes or PR stunts catering to veterans from corporations, government bodies, small businesses or sports teams. This is only a slight exaggeration.
If the NFL wants to expand its worldwide popularity, maybe having a halftime show culminating in a pandering tribute to America's military veterans isn't the best idea.
It might also help if certain veterans or their family members refrain from insulting anyone who made the choice to not be a contractor. With these people, if you disagree with them they will remind you that they're a vet or from a vet's family and your opinion is not as valid as theirs. "Did you ever serve?" "Have you served?"
If you don't fall into any of the above categories and you're a military veteran, I don't have an issue with you.
Well said.
I'd say education but , as they say, you can't 'fix' stupid!
The typical progressive response: "We need a V.A. Czar!!!"
Fire 10000 Administrators.
Hire 5000 Doctors.
Get on with show.
Shhh- be careful- truth like that will get you droned by every VA administrator named "Shaniqua" in the country- that's like 9000......
If it was only that easy. No one knows how hard it is to fire any of these fuckers, they're usually just transferred to another paper-pushing .gov job or simply paid to stay home for a year or more while charges, counter-charges and grievances are exchanged.
Hire 5000 Doctors
Does that mean we'll have to put in a requisition for 5,000 more clipboards?
If Dr.Hope-n-Change gets his way, they'll get a bright-eyed, 25yr old fresh out of Med School workin off their student loan debt, with a brand new clipboard.
Ala Castro.
(Something else we told the fucking ObamaBots)
Saw 60 minutes interviewing the new head of the VA. He was taliking of the hundreds if not thousands that need to go but how hard it was to fire any of them. They have to have a mini court trial to even attempt to fire these lifers. Of course he had no problem with that as all government employees find it only important to have good intentions. Results are a completely different issue. No accountability for results, only intentions.
The grim reaper supports everyone's troops!
The Luciferian Bankster Oligarchs tricked the rank and file military into thinking they were fighting for freedom, at the cost of their bodies, spirits, and futures.
The people running things are really evil and feel no remorse about this.
Hopefully word will get out and the people responsible for these sins will pay.
Ya, and just where are Wolfowitz and Pearle hiding these days?.....amyone?
Listen.
Is it? Is it!?
Yes! It's toon time Bitchez!
We maybe can agree on at least one thing.
http://www.livefreediefree.com/WDVeteransDay.jpg
The next person who tells me "thank you for your service" I'm going to punch in their fucking face.
Why?
Because, those people think Iraq, Afghanistan and all the other covert meat grinders in the world were justified. At the time I wasn't working for the people. Now I help my family, friends and neighbors, not some dipshit in the pentagon sending my guys off to get killed for no reason.
The "thank you for your service crowd" are mostly blind followers of whatever the media tells them to hate. Couldn't get more Orwellian than that, except we've had 15 years of hate rather than 5 or 10 minutes daily.
The "thank you for your service" crowd enables the MIC. They create the social structure that makes joining the military an attractive option. If nobody will fight their dirty wars, they have no power.
So if you're going to thank someone for their service, caveat that compliment with a warning - remember who you are supposed to work for, read the damn constitution and the papers of Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.
I've seen too many idiots recently who think their oath to the constitution includes following orders from their superiors blindly. That is absolutely not the case.
Thanks for the response.
And your service....
Seriously.
While we have watched as our military has been tasked with impossible missions for useless causes, we live and hope and pray that when the time really comes that you are needed, people such as yourself will still be there. Just how I see it. Punch in the face or not.
10-4.
Audit the VA.
Where the hell is the money going? Maybe off the back of a truck some where? Expensive IT System, maybe it is worth $2 Billion not $13 Billion.
Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 2014 = $154.05 Billion
Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 2013 = $143.6 Billion
Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 2000 = $50.1 Billion
Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 1998 = $45.6 Billion
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2014 VA Information Technology Systems outlays = $3.432 Billion
2013 VA Information Technology Systems outlays = $3.218 Billion
2012 VA Information Technology Systems outlays = $3.266 Billion
2011 VA Information Technology Systems outlays = $3.355 Billion
Total VA Information Technology Systems outlays = $13.27. Billion in 4 Years
2014 VA Medical Care = $46.04 Billion
2013 VA Medical Care = $44.7 Billion
2010 VA Medical Care = $36.9 Billion
2008 VA Medical Care = $30.0 Billion
2004 VA Medical Care = $24.4 Billion
2002 VA Medical Care = $22.6 Billion
1999 VA Medical Care = $17.8 Billion
1998 VA Medical Care = $17.3 Billion
2014 VA Compensation and Pensions = $69.82 Billion
2013 VA Compensation and Pensions = $64.76 Billion
2010 VA Compensation and Pensions = $47.90 Billion
2008 VA Compensation and Pensions = $40.24 Billion
2004 VA Compensation and Pensions = $29.78 Billion
2002 VA Compensation and Pensions = $25.68 Billion
2000 VA Compensation and Pensions = $23.82 Billion
1999 VA Compensation and Pensions = $21.15 Billion
1998 VA Compensation and Pensions = $20.29 Billion
End the VA
Maybe that would work. Veterans will still get their health care and pay checks.
Petty deep sgt. Not many like you.
More than you would believe
Many more.
My guess is you are an exception in the military. I wouldn't know from first hand experience because I would never join the military because they are tool in the hands of sociopaths. When the crunch comes my bet us most of them will be goons rounding up civilians for the FEMA camps. If the majority of military men were like you America would still be a free country.
Just as the British Empire did
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- So that USA Spends the Most on Military in the World very likely is a feature of the British Empire,
- and that we support large "Corporate Appendages" such as a industrial giants and big Defense Contractors (Zaibatsu)
- While allowing limited growth of smaller business not deemed militarily important
- And that Lower Wage Labor Force is important we Open Borders to Immigrants, Outsourcing, and Off Shore Production - Just as the British Empire did
Thank you sir, may I have another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ
(Kevin Bacon - Fraternity Paddle)
Maybe it happens to you and you like it.
Some people get sick of total strangers walking up to them and "thanking" them for their service.
If you want to thank them, you really kinda had to be there when they did something worth thanking them for.
Or maybe thanking them later for something they specifically did that meant something to you.
But a generic "Public Duty" -Thanks for your service gets pretty old, pretty fast for some guys.
Just my 2Cents.
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Because he's a gutless faggot!
Should read ' set aside . . Special Day for those WE serve and not those WHO served
I remember as a kid, meeting three vets in a 1967 Chrysler New Yorker. They were all totally shitfaced and happily belligerent. When they got out of the car, each one of them was missing an appendage. "Why are they all drunk and crazy like that, Dad?"I asked.
"Son," my father said, "Those guys can do whatever they want, and they aren't afraid of anyone, because they have nothing left to lose."
So that's one way to fight for freedom.
Thank you for participating in our OIL WARS !!
brought to you by Banker cocksuckers
Listen.
Exactly. Someone gets it.
Stupid fucking Americans!
I guess you don't own a car ? Heat your home ? Don't have a credit card? have. Motgage?I guess you're supporting the bankster assholes too
I didn't say i wasn't supporting the banker cocksuckers .... We need our Vets to help us get those shit bankers behind bars or turn them into fertilizer for Poppy garden ... and were not gonna get there if people don't wake the fuck up !!!!
The people knocking Veteran's Day will be thanking their lucky stars we have some vets in this country, when the shit storm hits.
Semper Fidelis
+100
Got a couple of decorated dudes watching my back.
And vicey versey.
Thinking it might be fun after all.
Who do you think are filling the ranks of our local police depts and treating us like an occupied population.
Who do you think fill the ranks of Homeland Security and other fed agencys.
Today's veterns will hunt and kill anyone the govt put a bad guy label on. When the storm hits those veterans will be hired in greater numbers to target you and they will take the jobs and relish the good pay and pension.
All wars are about resources.
If you don't believe in acquiring resources, then please invite a couple dozen homeless people to come into your domicile, and cart everything away.
Listen.
Wrong Asshole. Proof. I'm having a war of word with TruthInSunshine right fucking now! And I'm bombing the shit out of him. I'm fucking Israel and he, Gaza bitchez. Die TIS, die!
By "acquiring resources", I presume you mean using the military for armed robbery to steal those resources from their rightful owners?
A person I know used to wear a baseball cap with the marine corps on it. People thought he was a vet. He liked it when they thanked him for his service, problem is he was never in the military, never knew war.
People have probably been fighting one another ever since there were people, but it's gotten to the point at which war can be the death of us all - just war or not,
We can't afford it any more.
But we're going to try. I have my own experiences, but I won''t even tell my wife about them, because there are some things it's better not to know. Suffice it to say, the Cold War ended with a close call that could have been a one time encounter with secular Armageddon.
God bless all and peace, even to the angry ones here -and who can blame you for being angry? Sacrifice, even in a cause that isn't so clear, is beautiful.
It's always personal, isn't it?
Nice cartoon, but that's a homeless & jobless CIVILIAN.
Listen Zero's.
Dooty, Horror, Cuntry!
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
You might appreciate the irony that Horace was a coward who fled from battle while exhorting his fellows to take one for the Empire.
Listen.
Here in India we take horrid dooty on our cuntry streets.
Here in Cleveland, Ohio I saw a guy drop a horrid dooty on a city street. No wipe either.
Only the military Department? Can we celebrate other government employees who "served" too?
Red Cross/Red Crescent nurses with PTSD?
1). How does some wanker getting his legs blown off in some God forsaken shithole of a country make me free" or "keep me safe"?
2). Why should I give a fuck?
Why should we care when you go on disability with carpal tunnel from all of your one handed typing?
I feel bad for Obama having to spend Veterans day on the front lines.
A man without a country.
So Sadddddddd.
I don't think Kenya celebrates Veterans' Day.
All warfare is an armed robbery. Or worse; http://kevinmacdonaldespanol.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/americas-unpardonable-crime/
Obama is Golfing !
Its time for obamaPutinJinping to fuck off, get out of office, and go to hell !
Who was that ma...,
Look here son, I was a combat medic who was in Vietnam [1st Infantry Division out of Lai Khe and 25th Infantry Division out of Cu Chi] and on Item #1 I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! I was drafted and everyday in Vietnam I asked myself WTF am I doing here? In country, I received a bunch of medals during a ceremony and promptly threw them in the nearest trash can - it felt GREAT! Hell, I bet you're NOT EVEN watching the Concert for Valor, neither am I....
I listen to this and think of my family and friends on Veterans Day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
And drink a salute to them.
Thanks.
Suckers!!!
Any fool that marches off to war on innocent people who are no match for the technology and killing machines of the farking banksters, deserves any karma that comes from that. In the last 75 years, not a single one died for the country, they died for the banksters to profit from their deaths. The ancient asshats are still doing it today. Anyone who does not by now realize banksters create wars, own all sides, and profits by pitting them against each other over and over and over again, then makes up a whole new list of isims to start it all over again, is just stupid.
The babylonian plan was to get rid of all the American Military. That way, no one would be left to defend America when they cause the next false flag event, or trigger some moar war, or cause the power grid to go down, banks to crash, medical martial law/forced vaccines, or maybe even bring down another asteroid or use some of that high tech to imitate one. Heck, they were even talking about a nuke in 2015.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcraA5DQbM4&list=UUYv-5LsUyc_P8KMo7YGPFPA
Who the heck knows? The horrid sickness in the modern world is the fact that any conscious half brained third grader has to actually consider such possibilities, when none of it should exist at all. It should not be this way in a world where you have dark satanic forces manifesting in all forms and manor that are capable of anything bad. This should not exist at all, but in this 3-D world, people are stupid and allow it by not standing up to it. Like the constant murdering and sacrificing of the worlds children. No one cares. Apathy becomes death and it's only getting worse, because good men and women are stuck in the paradigm of fear. Just plain ol chicken shirt, afraid to stand up.
Blah, why plan a future in an insane world that can go to shirt at any minute. There is no law enforcement world wide, only a ever growing babylonian police state. Nazi germany 2.0 in America, and a socialist utopia in the rest of the world with all the puppets gathering in China to pay homage to their masters there. All the pompous economic news and stories about the puppet gathering in china is just a smoke screen. They are all checking in getting marching orders from the grand dragon. The red one.
Meh, who cares. Planned economic crashes and wars for population elimination. What's on TV?
Where's the "coffee cup" salute?
Reply to acetinker, post # 5442418
Blather.
... is promoted nonstop by those who wish to enslave you.
Agreed: Progressives wish to enslave me by transferring my freedom of choice to some unaccountable gov't bureaucrat.
From the article "The New Republic Can’t Help Its Progressive, Control-Freak Tendencies":
The universities are where progressivism has made the greatest inroads. American universities no longer instill the qualities of mind and character necessary to carry out the responsibilities of a sovereign citizen in a Constitutional republic. Political indoctrination has replaced liberal education, speech codes have overthrown the students’ unalienable right to freedom of speech, political correctness closes off free inquiry, and sexual harassment policies on campus are becoming grotesquely illiberal. If we want to see what the progressives have in mind for our country, we only need to consider what they have done and are doing on campus.
You: You take Kreiger to task for simply doing his own thinking.
I searched Krieger's blog for "progressive". Here are the 5 hits:
1. Personally, I would have preferred the issue that united libertarian and progressive activists to have been the Federal Reserve
2. Considering that most mainstream media watching Americans had no idea how out of control the police militarization had become ... this is hopefully one of those issues libertarians and progressives can find common ground on
3. Although we are now starting to see libertarians and progressives unite in Congress on some very important issues such as domestic surveillance
4. According to a study by the Center for Progressive Reform (My note: said study cited favorably)
5. This is where he gets into the rapidly emerging and “unstoppable” left-right activist alliance. I have personally been pushing for such an alliance for quite some time. Most recently, I wrote about it in my article from last year: #StandwithRand: The Filibuster that United Libertarian and Progressive Activists
"Unite" with Progressivism? Fuck, man, if you don't realize Progressives are, today, the greatest threat to our individual liberties, go away.
All the while, you display your own disdain for individualism by calling it progressivism.
Idiot. Progressivism is not individualism (nor individualism Progressivism) but collectivism, and authoritarianism. Greuber, the MIT professor in the news, is a typical Progressive. Argue that what Gruder said and believes is a reflection of individualism.
So, livefreediefree, you do not actually have an opinion of your own, you are not at all free, you let others program your way of living, and I don't much give a fuck for you.
Blather. You need to believe this, that only you are enlightened, good, pure, & moral. Sorry, but my intelligence, knowledge, insights, and wisdom born of a long lifetime of experiences in the real world contravene the pure pap of your language.
You're an individualist, right? But your above words are echoed or paraphrased by seemingly hundreds of your fellow ZHers. What you wrote above is an example of the group think with which your kind is infected. As such, you are a nameless, soulless, individuality-less element of a collective.
I don't need to defend my individualism; my words do it for me.
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You don't realize it, but those 3 words betray your sterile ideology. They're "code words" and identify you as an ignorant naif.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. I met your kind in the 70s and beyond. You don't change much. Sure, you stress new issues, while deemphasizing others, but what remains constant is your kind's idiocy.
Hmm, Ima let you win this round. I'm not an acolyte of anyone's ideas, including my own. But I wanna make a couple points-
1) That Kreiger wishes libertarians could unite with progressives on common issues does not, in my mind incriminate him of collectivism.
2) We agree on more than you realize.
I dunno, maybe you're a preacher or a politician, because if you ain't you've missed your calling. You seem to wanna create division where none exists. That makes you an elitist (we haven't talked about those), or one of their minions. Maybe you know all this, and practice your craft with willful abandon. More likely, you belong to the class that mindlessly chants USA! after having their unalienable (you used it first) rights violated.
At bottom, arguing with you is analogous to taking a hambone from a determined bulldog. Maybe I get the hambone, maybe I don't. I will no doubt suffer injury, and I really don't need the hambone, anyway.
In either case, the bulldog will be no wiser for the experience.
Be well.
Hmm, Ima let you win this round.
Gracious, but unnecessary. It's not about winning or losing, but about fostering critical thinking.
That Kreiger wishes libertarians could unite with progressives on common issues does not, in my mind incriminate him of collectivism.
Let's accept your point that what Krieger said does not incriminate him of collectivism, but it does incriminate him of either ignorance or utopianism.
The (so far) 5 Gruber videos exposed to the light of day highlight a truth: Progressivism is lies.
Progressivism is also non-compromise. Obama is a zealot, an ideologue, and a prime Progressive. His notion of compromise is "My way or the highway". Even considering compromising with a real, live Progressive is naive. I perused 50+ Krieger blog entries, organizing them into issues, and found only one even mildly critical of Obama.
On a very superficial level, Progressivism sounds good, but in practice it's authoritarianism incarnate, an active suppressor of individual liberties.
Fuck fantasy utopias. They don't work. Krieger's view of Progressivism is not rooted in reality, but in a POV immersed in fantasy utopias.
When Krieger preaches compromise with my enemy, Krieger becomes my enemy. The fact that he doesn't even name my enemy, much less berate it like every person who believes in freedom or liberty should, removes any doubt about Krieger being my enemy. Sometimes, useful idiots are the worst. not the actual enemy her/imself.
Of course, you can disagree with my POV that actualized Progressivism is 100% shit, in which case we'll always be at odds. However, I hope I've clarified my POV for your enlightenment.
OK, let me understand- is your issue with Kreiger or Obama?
I don't wanna get too far ahead , but Kreiger obviously understands that Obama doesn't actually decide anything, he is an owned man, and quite the narcissist to boot.
Damn brother, this is gonna take a while. Obama doesn't make decisions, he merely announces via EO that which has been decided by those he reports to.
Hang around awhile, if you can tolerate it. The folks on this board can and will give you an education you can't buy.
Enlightenment is free, just as it always has been.
You posited the affirmative; therefore, by the rules, I challenge you to prove your affirmative: Obama is owned by whom? How do they own him? Be specific. Cite multiple, reputable links.
I'll give you some help. I typed in "obama is owned by ..." and Google auto-completed it: the banks, Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, corporations.
We need data. From Open Secrets, top contributors to Obama's campaign:
2008 election
$1,799,460 - University of California
$1,034,615 - Goldman Sachs
$900,909 - Harvard University
$854,717 - Microsoft Corp
$847,895 - JPMorgan Chase & Co
$817,855 - Google Inc
$755,057 - Citigroup Inc
$638,335 - US Government
$617,844 - Time Warner
$606,260 - Sidley Austin LLP
$603,866 - Stanford University
$579,098 - National Amusements Inc
$570,839 - Columbia University
$554,439 - Skadden, Arps et al
$554,373 - WilmerHale Llp
$540,636 - US Dept of Justice
$534,470 - IBM Corp
$534,166 - UBS AG
$532,031 - General Electric
$528,182 - Morgan Stanley
2012 election
$1,212,245 - University of California
$814,645 - Microsoft Corp
$801,770 - Google Inc
$728,647 - US Government
$668,368 - Harvard University
$588,386 - Kaiser Permanente
$512,356 - Stanford University
$456,975 - Deloitte LLP
$455,309 - Columbia University
$442,271 - Time Warner
$417,629 - US Dept of State
$401,890 - DLA Piper
$400,883 - Sidley Austin LLP
$369,598 - Walt Disney Co
$369,491 - IBM Corp
$357,185 - University of Chicago
$339,806 - University of Michigan
$337,628 - Comcast Corp
$334,659 - US Dept of Justice
$309,956 US Dept of HHS
Notice anything different between 2008 and 2012?
Key rist! we can quote figures all day. The thing you need to know is that .gov only knows how to feed itself. Capiche?
Yeah, Goldman is missing from the '12 list. You want a rubber jellybean? I dunno where you got those lists from, but the thing I'm trying to to tell ya' is that nothing changes until the people, that's you and me and the other dumbasses, change.
Like I said, this is gonna take a while. Be well.
Obama is not your problem. Is he an idiot? Yes! Is he a narcissist? Yes! Is he the leader of the free world? Only for stupid people.
Did I already say that we disagree on very little?
Yeah, I think I did.
We have different world views, and disagree fundamentally.
Here are my premises: (1) Big gov't bad, small gov't good; (2) Public sector bad, private sector good; (3) Collectivism bad, individualism good; (4) Positive rights bad, negative rights good; (5) The dog did not bark in the nighttime.
#5 maybe should be #1. Paraphrased, Sherlock Holmes deduced what didn't happen. But that's hard to do; You have to know pretty much everything before you can deduce what's missing.
I applied the barking dog principle to Krieger, and 53 of his articles. Here's a summary of the article's subjects, preceded by the number of articles for each subject:
10: Anti-Wall Street/Crony Capitalism
7: Anti-Cop
6: Anti-NSA
6: Anti-Suppression of free speech
6: Miscellaneous
5: Anti-Rich
4: Anti-CIA
3: Anti-War
2: Anti-Republican
1: Anti-Democrat
1: Anti-Obama
1: Anti-MSM
1: Advertisement
Krieger opposes parts of gov't, but not big gov't itself (ie, he didn't bark about it). He also doesn't oppose the Prime Progressive Obama, Progressivism being a political philosophy which espouses very big gov't.
When I searched Krieger's blog for "Progressive" and found the first 5 references to be favorable, even laudatory, that nailed it.
Some Libertarians favor an alliance with Progressives, believing that, since Progressivism preaches liberty and rights, Libertarians and Progressives are natural allies. Sorry, but core Progressivism preaches that gov't should be run by experts, not elected representatives or, indirectly, We the People, because Progressives say: Shut Up, you dumb.
What baffling about your world view is that you fail to understand that big gov't is the ultimate authority, not banks, Wall Street, corporations, or the super rich.
Banks, Wall Streeters, corporations, and the super rich contribute to Democrats, but banks, Wall Streeters, corporations, and the super rich also contribute to Republicans. However, the total contributions of these entities is dwarfed by the contributions of other interest groups.
(Note: Open Secrets is the source for the campaign data in my previous post. There's an attached link to the actual article on the 2 dates '2008' and '2012', but ZH has a fucked "a href" HTML tag; ie, they display the text associated with the link in a slightly different, but hardly discernible, color.)
Open Secrets also details campaign contributions for the (2 links follow) Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014, and of the Super PACs.
Since big gov't has become very big under Bush and Obama, and has acquired so much power, there is fierce, competitive fighting among all the hundreds of interest groups to "buy" politicians. Ergo, it is sheer idiocy to believe that our gov't is owned. Adept politicians like Obama can play both ends against the middle, and make banks, Wall Street, corporations, and the super rich his bitches.
Take Obamacare. Obama lobbied the health care industry, insurance companies, the AMA, AARP, etc prior to the enactment of the ACA. As a result, he owned them before enacting the ACA.
And what does Obamacare do? Put our health care in the hands of the gov't. Not insurance companies, or the banks, or Wall Street, or corporations, or the super rich. Obamacare puts our health care in the hands of the gov't.
Why did Obama nationalize student loans in the first year of his Presidency. Because he wanted to put college funding in the hands of gov't.
If we're in the hands of gov't, all gov't has to do is squeeze its hands together, and we bleat like sheep.
Big gov't has always been the problem, not other entities. For proof, please review all of recorded history.
You don't need to respond. If you do, I won't respond. My job here on ZH is simple: To expose the idiocy of views which do not rely on the dog not barking.