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Ron Paul: What The Mid-Term Elections Really Mean For Peace And Liberty

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,

Did the election last week really mean that much? I took to my Twitter account on Tuesday to point out that the change in control of the Senate from Democrat to Republican actually means very little, despite efforts by politicians and the mainstream media to convince us otherwise. Yes, power shifted, I wrote. But the philosophy on Capitol Hill changed very little. The warfare/welfare state is still alive and well in Washington.

Some were critical of my comment that, “Republican control of the Senate equals expanded neo-con wars in Syria and Iraq. Boots on the ground are coming!”

But unfortunately my fears were confirmed even sooner than I thought. Shortly after the vote, President Obama announced that he would double the number of US troops on the ground in Iraq and request another $5.6 billion to fight his war in the Middle East.

The President also said on Wednesday that he would seek a new authorization for the use of force in Iraq and Syria. He said that a new authorization was needed to reflect, “not just our strategy over the next two or three months, but our strategy going forward.”

That sounds like boots on the ground in an endless war.

Senate Democrats had been competing with Republicans over who would push a more aggressive foreign policy. This may explain their miserable showing on Tuesday: it is likely the honest, antiwar progressives just stayed home on election night. But with the Republican victory bringing to leadership the most hawkish of the neoconservatives like John McCain, the only fight over the President’s request to re-invade Iraq will be Republican demands that he send in even more soldiers and weapons!

Likewise, the incoming Republicans in the Senate have expressed a foolhardy desire to continue resurrecting the Cold War. They demand that Russia be further sanctioned even as the original reason for the sanctions – claims that Russia was behind the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 – has been shown to be false. They want to send weapons to the US-backed government in Ukraine even through it will result in more civilians killed in east Ukraine. Their dangerous Russia policy may even turn the new Cold War into a hot war, which would be catastrophic.

On the domestic front, I do not hold out much hope that the next Congress will give more than lip service to reducing spending. What is more likely is Republicans will support dramatic increases in welfare spending as long warfare spending is increased by an equivalent, or greater, amount. That is what is called “compromise” in Washington.

One positive development from Tuesday is the slightly improved chance for a roll-call vote on “Audit the Fed.” Most of the Senators who are likely to assume leadership roles next year are co-sponsors of the bill. However, special interests that benefit from Fed secrecy are very influential in both parties, so it will be up to the people to continue to pressure Congress for a Senate vote.

Elsewhere, there may also be some rollbacks and reforms of some of the worst parts of ObamaCare, but a full repeal of the bill is unlikely. This is not just because there are still not the votes to override an inevitable veto. The insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies that benefit from ObamaCare are equally influential in both parties and have very deep pockets.

I ended my comments on election night by pointing out that while it may have been an important election, it was not most important ever. Ideas are what really count. And that is where we are winning!

 

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Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:22 | 5438954 nmewn
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"The warfare/welfare state is still alive and well in Washington."

Someones been reading ZH ;-)

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:36 | 5438999 Eireann go Brach
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It's not bread and circuses anymore! It's EBT cards and Khardashian apps!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:16 | 5439230 Greenskeeper_Carl
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This is another good one by RP, and very true. It's won't be very welcome news to those one here who seem to believe that everything is going to get better now that we 'sent some true small govt conservatives to Washington'. Ron is right, nothing is going to change because of these people, and at this point, it's probably too late anyway.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:27 | 5439247 Billy the Poet
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With the Senate in Republican hands any treaties proffered by the 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference will likely fail to be approved for ratification. But that's only important if the US is still a constitutional republic.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 01:46 | 5439338 Comte de Saint ...
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By appealing to tons of bullshit about the Constitution and other patriotic crap former congressman Ron Paul was able to persuade his brute and ignorant constituency to donate humongous amounts of money into his personal accounts (a clever marketing technique to make easy money indeed). Now Dr. Paul has comfortably retired, enjoying a generous pension plan (no concrete evidence so far that he declined such benefits) while his unconditional supporters are really screwed and having difficult time to cope with the ongoing economic upheaval. Ron Paul is an excellent synonym of what controlled opposition is all about, and the Sovereign is extremely pleased how this politician performed such duties (Paul's motto "Peaceful Revolution").

Additionally Dr. Paul is a mediocre version of Leo Strauss' categorization of society: the Gentlemen
"The Gentlemen, are lovers of honour and glory. They are the most ingratiating towards the conventions of their society – that is, the illusions of the cave. They are true believers in God, honour, and moral imperatives. They are ready and willing to embark on acts of great courage and self-sacrifice at a moment’s notice."

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 02:12 | 5439371 Billy the Poet
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That's a rather bold statement for a dimwit. 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 05:46 | 5439494 sessinpo
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Dimwit huh?

And of course you know that Ron P voted for all necessary military action on Sept 14, 2001.

As evidenced by the roll call:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll342.xml

 

Then just a year later, Ron Paul is back to his anti war talk Oct 10, 2002

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul51.html

 

Ron Paul is just another politician. The only good politician is one that doesn't want to be a politician. That was lost after the very first president, George Washington.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 07:11 | 5439545 Isotope
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If you haven't already, I suggest reading the text of the Resolution. It authorizes the President to use any appropriate force, "in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons." In other words, it gives a congressional stamp of approval for the President to protect the United States. It's not a declaration of war, nor does it approve invading other countries and overthrowing their governments.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 06:15 | 5439510 Isotope
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1/10.

Your approach completely lacks any subtlety. See, you have to set your audience up, draw them in, make them start nodding their heads in agreement. That way you build your house of cards to look like it's solid, even though it isn't. Then you can start to reel the bait back in, and check to see if you got any bites. This whole throwing a stick of dynamite in the water technique really doesn't work as well as they claim. Well, maybe on Fark, but not here.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 06:27 | 5439521 Azannoth
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I cannot say if RP is/was just controlled opposition or the real deal, but I can say why he has been tolerated by the establishment for so long and not "suicided" or otherwise "accidented"(he has been in plenty of planes).

He has zero charisma, yes you might agree with 95% of what he is saying but still a Man with no charisma will never find wide acceptance, so RP was used to discredit the "Freedom Movement" by being allowed to be the "face" of it.

I am sorry but that is the truth, nothing personal against RP but he has been used, by making him the de-facto leader of the Tea Party Movement and the Freedom Movement it sucked all the air out of it and prevented other more capable and more charismatic leaders to grab a foothold.

By running for President RP denied the Libertarian vote to anybody who actually stood a chance of getting elected or even deciding the election. Again not being judgemental but this is the truth.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 07:24 | 5439552 Isotope
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I can't totally agree with the last parts of that post, but on the charisma, absolutely. It's like what Dennis Miller said about James Stockdale, "...he committed the one unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television."

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:41 | 5440198 Billy the Poet
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"zero charisma"

 

You must not have ever attended a Ron Paul rally or seen one on TV.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TeneSysiw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmy6g4ZgUuo

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfrNz_2hvvM

 

etc...

 

  1. Ron Paul Gets Rock Star Reception at University of Iowa ... www.nationaljournal.com/.../ron-paul-gets-rock-star-rec...
    National Journal

    Ron Paul: 2012's septuagenarian rock star?(Chris Carlson/AP). October 22, 2011 IOWA CITY, Iowa—It's homecoming night at the University of Iowa. The air is ...

  2. Ron Paul, rock star to college students, brings his message ... host.madison.com/.../ron-paul-rock-star.../article_e06...
    The Daily Cardinal

    Mar 30, 2012 - This is the Ron Paul campaign for president, and as strange as it sounds, the septuagenarian politician is a rock star to a demographic that ...

  3. Ron Paul getting rock star treatment in Iowa - CBS News www.cbsnews.com/.../ron-paul-getting-rock-star-treatment-in-i...
    CBS News

    Jan 3, 2012 - Ron Paul has been running a strong campaign in Iowa. And, reports "Early Show" contributor Taryn Winter Brill, it seems as if, wherever he ...

 

etc...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 10:44 | 5440019 AynRandFan
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Comte, your mistake is ignoring RP's role as spokesperson for the libertarian movement. Libs like to make personal attacks, I guess because they mostly have no real ideology other than "I feel that".  But, just because you have a lot of company in launching personal attacks and callig them political doesn't make it any more persuasive to thinking people.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:09 | 5440110 Pickleton
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 it's probably too late anyway.

 

 

Nothing else really needs to be said.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:37 | 5439003 gdiamond22
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Ron Paul has been talking about the warfare/welfare state before Tyler was even born.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:46 | 5439012 nmewn
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Maybe if the new Tylers stay at it on a long enough timeline they'll come to the same conclusion. In the Federal Reserve System of action without consequence, one will always have both.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:55 | 5439039 DaddyO
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<-action without consequence->

That is the most spot on statement posted in the comment section in recent memory!

While it may have a modicum of truth at present, on a long enough timeline...

DaddyO

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:57 | 5439051 TeethVillage88s
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<-action without Audit->

fixed it.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 09:11 | 5439717 kaiserhoff
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When did ZH ever oppose welfare?

I somehow missed all of that.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:03 | 5439069 bh2
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More like ZH has been reading RP.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:01 | 5439190 Aeternus
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People eating gold for breakfast.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9D6TECSa0

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 03:18 | 5439419 JB
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Ron Paul served on 


1.) Committee on International Relations
          o Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere
          o Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific 

2.) Committee on Financial Services
          o vice-chairman of Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
          o Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy, Technology, and Economic Growth 

3.) Joint Economic Committee

 

Instead of "audit the Fed," why didn't he introduce an amendment to abolish it?

 

Ron Paul is a Zionist member of the NWO:  http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-6.html

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 03:47 | 5439437 TeethVillage88s
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Why didn't he wave a magic wand?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 08:01 | 5439581 BigJim
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I heard he was a doctor - if that's true, why hasn't he cured ebola? What a phoney!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 09:11 | 5439721 kaiserhoff
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Alas, he was only a groinocologist,

  and an army doctah, at that;)

 

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:21 | 5438955 i_call_you_my_base
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The Republicans love killing women and children by remote control. It's all a game. Just a game. Just a button. Click.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:26 | 5438967 MoneyPowerWomen
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Both the Democrats and Republicans love killing women and children by remote control. It's all a game. Just a game. Just a button. Click.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:33 | 5438991 i_call_you_my_base
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True, but it's how the Republicans get votes. The Democrats get votes through pay offs.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:25 | 5438962 gdiamond22
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The best President America never had.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:54 | 5439035 hobopants
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Yet

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:04 | 5439071 TeethVillage88s
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The best President America never had.

Yeah, Politics is Dirty, People get Smeared, Logic and Facts get obliterated, Big money talks...

- But I never saw a doctor distort the law and destroy the constitution the way Lawyers & Bankers do
- I never saw a farmer do that either
- All third party candidates get trashed
- There is extreme prejudice against outsiders, outside ideas, and the supposed democratic or US Constitutional process

- Ross Perot was right for instance

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:29 | 5438983 A Lunatic
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Money has talked once MOAR......

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:39 | 5438996 Choomwagon Roof Hits
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To paraphrase Dionne Warwick:

 

"What do you get when you vote Democrat? A guy with a pen and a phone to bust your budget/

What do you get when you vote Republican? You get enough wars to bust your budget/

I'll never vote for them again/Don't you know that I'll never vote for them again"

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:12 | 5440124 Pickleton
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Republican = You get enough wars to bust your budget

 

Yea, well the dumbass Dionne, and anyone else that utters that stupidity, might wanna check out the last century. 

 

 

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:47 | 5439015 Fuku Ben
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Still plugging the old audit the Fed

I would have thought you'd have stopped wasting everyone's time when the partial audit was complete and the disclosures resulted in nothing happening. What makes you think anything will happen when a full audit it done? Most poor saps in America don't even realize they live a giant prison under a police state

But then again you are the controlled opposition so you've got to stick to the script or Rand could run into trouble

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:55 | 5439048 Billy the Poet
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You underestimate him. He's out to get you personally. Stay alert!

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:11 | 5439089 zen0
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Most poor saps in America don't even realize they live a giant prison under a police state

 

Actually, everybody instinctively knows that from the time they are 3 years old. Grade school is a giant prison under a police state.

The peasants adjust and cope, like they have done through all of history.

The myth of free America has always been just that, a myth. A distant beacon, pointing the way, but never do the ships arrive at dry land.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 06:36 | 5439525 Azannoth
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Welcome to the United States of Gaza, with the same Overlords but with improved capacity and control methods.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:03 | 5439198 thebigunit
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Not bad, but there are people who are more negative and nihilist than you are.

They may kill themselves out of despair before you do.

Don't let them be first or you might end up hating yourself.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:56 | 5439022 22winmag
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Without getting into the whole Ron Paul thing, I'll just say that between him, the oil-soaked, spy-riddled Tea Party, and the idea that voting actually matters, not much has changed regardless who is in the oval orifice.

 

It's not the openly commie facists and suicidal America haters I'm concerned about. It's people who tell me they're conservative (and aren't) or tell me more voting will change an utterly corrupt cesspool of human filth.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:54 | 5439037 THE DORK OF CORK
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I do hope yee good people  realize that a Induatrial system without welfare = 19th century England.

 

Ron Paul is so fake.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:58 | 5439058 Billy the Poet
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Yeah, those poor workers should have stayed on in their dark hovels in the English countryside and starved. That would have shown those evil capitalists a thing or two.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:03 | 5439067 BigJim
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 I do hope yee good people  realize that a Induatrial system without welfare = 19th century England.

Ron Paul is so fake.

And you are so stupid.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:16 | 5439090 THE DORK OF CORK
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@Big Jim small brain.

I obviously prefer a social credit without preconditions (other then citizenship) rather then begging a central state for welfare.

But zero welfare means a total collapse of purchasing power for most.

You need tokens to operate  freely in  a Industrial ecosystem.

This is not even the 19th century.

How many small farmers remain in the good old US of A  today ?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 07:57 | 5439577 nihilist
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@THE DORK

"I obviously prefer a social credit without preconditions (other then citizenship) rather then begging a central state for welfare.

But zero welfare means a total collapse of purchasing power for most." 

WTF?! going through some sort of cognitive dissonance here?? The issue here is most don't need welfare and the very few that really need it is better served by charity (more efficient).  Welfare = charity with a gun pointed at your head.

You leave this place for a few years and it becomes a den of shallow thinkers.  There's already a site for that called HuffPo.

 

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 08:03 | 5439583 BigJim
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The Dork has been saying shit like this for years.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 08:41 | 5439606 BigJim
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 @Big Jim small brain.

I obviously prefer a social credit without preconditions (other then citizenship) rather then begging a central state for welfare.

In a polity that allows private, perpetual claims to an essential Commons (land), there is an argument to be made for a 'citizen's wage' as recompense for the loss of fundamental freedoms that trump property 'rights' (claims, really) over natural resources. That is to say: those who have lost the right to roam and to grow crops (on a resource that no one ever had the rightful claim to assign outright ownership of in the first place) should receive ongoing compensation.

And who would pay for that 'citizens wage'? Those who have been granted the right to 'squat' on those natural resources - ie, land, mining rights, electromagnetic spectrum, etc. i.e., We switch from taxing value-add, to taxing the privilege to conduct activities that require zero-sum apportionment of the Commons, which is something we have to do in developed societies in the hope that the rest of the polity will receive non-zero sum gains because of the value-add that only such apportionments can bring. So we tax the apportionment, but not any value-add that the 'apportionees' have managed to create.

But in all the years I've been reading your posts I have never seen you make that argument.

But zero welfare means a total collapse of purchasing power for most.

Does it indeed. And yet in 19th century England, wages rose - in real terms - despite there being no welfare state. Why? Because employers had to compete for labour.

You need tokens to operate  freely in  a Industrial ecosystem.

Governments insists you pay them their cronies' fiat to meet your tax obligations, regardless of whether your 'ecosystem' is industrial or not. It's true that it would be easier to barter for the necessities of life in a rural 'ecosystem', but so what? If you can't pay the local government their tokens, you're fucked anyway. ie - the tokens requirement is created by government, not voluntary commerce... though of course those involved in the latter greatly benefit from a medium of exchange, particularly if it is a sound currency.

This is not even the 19th century.

How many small farmers remain in the good old US of A  today ?

Much as I decry subsidies and tax breaks that favour large farms over small ones - as well as GMO and all the chemical crap 'our' food producers sprinkle on our food - we would expect increasing mechanisation to favour larger farms over smaller ones. Do you mourn the death of small motorcar manufacturers courtesy of Henry Ford, or praise the fact you can afford to buy an amazingly efficient modern car from one of the mass-market manufacturers whose scale makes small, family-owned and run auto-manufacturing businesses impossible?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:14 | 5440132 Pickleton
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Fine, but if you're too stupid to be able to provide for yourself, YOU DONT VOTE.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 03:49 | 5439095 TeethVillage88s
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Dork, you make a good point that has to be considered.

The United States of Kingdom is the heir apparent to the British Raj. Things are bad, very bad without Social Security, MEDICARE, EBT, WIC, TANF.

United States of Kingdom supports Weapons Industries in the MIC and Big Finance. This sounds a lot like a Zaibatsu. Of course include Communications, satellites, Internet, Social Websites, NSA, and computer companies are in this MIC-Finance Relationship.

Should we call it Empire, Neo-Monarchism, Duopoly, Inverted Totalitarianism, stratocracy, Corporatism, Plutocracy, Crony Capitalism,...

- Empire
- Mafia
- Cartel
- Conglomerates
- Keiretsu
- Zaibatsu
- Yakuza
- Chaebol
- Hong
- Tongs
- Jesuits
- Crusaders
- Corporation
- Money Trust
- Lobbyist

"Look we put our Zaibatsu against your Zaibatsu any day of the week."

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:45 | 5439158 zen0
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When 30% of  the people lived in poverty in England at the turn of the century last, they were not living under a Ron Paul Libertarian System. They were living under an aristocratic system.

 

Step your game up.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:46 | 5439270 thebigunit
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"a Induatrial system without welfare = 19th century England."

But:

"a welfare system without industry = 10,000 B.C."

10,000 B.C. might well be the pinnacle of tribalist forager culture: 

  • One hundred percent of humans lived as hunter-gathers.
  • One hundred percent of humans lived a "subsistence" existence.
  • "Subsistence" = poverty.

19th century England looks better by comparison.


Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:55 | 5439042 sysin3
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I really hope that he didn't say that ... because that's not English. And I know that Dr. Paul is pretty good with that language.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:55 | 5439046 THE DORK OF CORK
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If he is a true agrarian libertarian then where is his land redistribution programme ?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 08:57 | 5439684 NoDecaf
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He doesn't have one. However if it were possible to reconcile theft of one's property with free market principles and the concept of private property, then it would be aimed squarely at the likes of you. Anyone who advocates a redistribution scheme should be at the front of the line to have every material object taken from them by force of the state. By every, I mean every material object, food clothing and shelter.

"Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right — its reason for existing, its lawfulness — is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force — for the same reason — cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups" - Bastiat 'The Law'

 

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 09:32 | 5439770 THE DORK OF CORK
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You are in favour of people continuing to pay their mortgages then.......

The land , buildings etc etc already exist.

Why do you have to get a loan to buy property that already exists.

 ?

Where is the purchasing power ?

 Ron Paul is a capitalist - as in he favours the concentration rather then distribution of money power.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 10:50 | 5440039 NoDecaf
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If you think I am an apologist for big corporations that reap rewards when things go well and pass them off onto the public when they go badly, then you would be wrong.

I do favor a "jubilee" of sorts, that is if you are holding a mortgage from a "too big to fail" corp then it should be the home owners deed in the event of a 'big reset' or currency crisis/failure.

 

You have it completely backwards... when you have legal tender laws that restrict you to a single currency THAT is a concentration of power. Ron Paul promotes competing currencies, in other words let the people decide how to settle transactions. If Ron Paul and others like him were making the rules, you could pay for your house in whatever way you and the other party decided on. Dollars, Euros, bitcoin, gold, silver Yuan, chickens...etc etc.

let the market decide.

a free market is two individuals deciding on the price of something (price dicovery) and the greater econmomy is an extension of that process. The only role for govt is to settle disputes and be an arbiter, like a referee. When a third party, in this case the (a corrupt) govt , sets a ceiling and a floor and erects other rules and barriers, it distorts this process.

The capitalist system that you deplore is not capitalist at all. It is layers and layers of greedy fuckers making rules that only benefit themselves. They use their power and influence to put up barriers to true competition and entry into new fields, thusly concentrating their power.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:51 | 5440254 THE DORK OF CORK
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"a free market is two individuals deciding on the price of something (price dicovery) and the greater econmomy is an extension of that process."

You are stuck within a Medieval trade fair where two primary producers come to interact...............I don't have a 20 acre plot with a few Kerry cattle to sell twice a year in the fair......as long as we live within a world of machines the above nonsense is well just nonsense - machines don't trade with each other so therefore you are not solving any modern problems of energy / wealth concentration.    

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkIbsYEOrgk                           

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:34 | 5440216 Billy the Poet
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"The land , buildings etc etc already exist.

Why do you have to get a loan to buy property that already exists."

 

So anything that exists should be free to anyone that comes along? OK then, all your extant stuff belongs to me. See how crazy that is?

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:59 | 5439056 THE DORK OF CORK
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I am going to bed now.

Night night dear zero hedgies.

 

Ron Paul me hole.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk-03oFgvyQ

 

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:10 | 5439084 22winmag
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Who among you believes Rand (and other fake conservatives) is beholden to AIPAC?

 

Just curious.

 

Somebody was sure to bring it up, might as well be me.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:23 | 5439118 TeethVillage88s
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Israel? No I don't think so.

I'm a little uninformed or unconnected. But being against foreign adventures or foreign involvements... is against foreign wars over 600 miles away.

- Why the hell did we go to fight WWI or WWII?
- Korean Conflict seems to be about this fear of communist influence around the world... or maybe a place to test our mettle & weapons against an enemy
- We use Israel and enjoy the fact that Israel tests our weapons and improves them for us
- We have financial schemes to fund weapons for Israel through congressional international assistance programs

Ron Paul clearly can see the cost of supporting other governments, this raises the executive pay and contract prices for government programs, Expands government contracts, brings more Israelis into the US Government, Expands government agencies... on and on

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:34 | 5439140 TeethVillage88s
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Let's add to this.

- I remember some other foreign lobbyist

- The American-Turkish Council (ATC) is a business association dedicated to enhancing the promotion of US-Turkish commercial, defense, technology, and cultural relations in Washington DC.

- American Turkish Friendship Association (ATFA) is a non-profit non-governmental organization founded in 2003 by members of the Gülen movement,[1][2] made up of followers of the Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen. Its stated goal is addressing the social and cultural needs of Turkish and American people living in the Washington D.C. Metropolitan Area.

- The American Turkish Chamber of Commerce (ATCOM) is a non-profit business organization, which was officially established on March 11, 2008 and headquartered at the prestigious Caplen Building in Cherry Hill, New Jersey

- The American Turkish Friendship Council (ATFC) was founded in 2005 to encourage and foster mutual understanding, friendship and peace through tourism, cultural, economic and professional exchanges between the United States of America and the Republic of Turkey and their citizens.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 03:41 | 5439432 TeethVillage88s
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What? Taking funds from Israel or foreign agents is Treason.

- We have a Treasonous Congress, and they should be prosecuted.
- Assholes
- Turkish Lobby is real, even if I didn't provide links

According to ProPublica, Turkey is one of "The Top Players in Foreign Agent Lobbying," spending $3,524,632 lobbying the American government in 2007 and 2008 alone.[6]

According to the Sunlight Foundation, the government of Turkey "has consistently lavished millions each year on well-connected Washington lobbying firms."[7]
See also

Greece lobby in the United States
Israel lobby in the United States
Arab lobby in the United States

Mission Statement
A Business Association dedicated to enhancing the promotion of US-Turkish Commercial, Defense, Technology and Cultural Relations.

Overview
As one of the leading business associations in the United States, American Turkish Council (ATC) is dedicated to effectively strengthening US-Turkish relations through the promotion of commercial, defense, technology and cultural relations. Its diverse membership includes Fortune 500, US and Turkish companies, multinationals, nonprofit organizations and individuals with an interest in US-Turkish relations. Guided by member interests, ATC strives to enhance the growing ties between the US and Turkey by initiating and facilitating efforts to increase investment and trade between the two countries.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:54 | 5439175 thebigunit
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"Ideas are what really count. And that is where we are winning!"

I suspect that Ron Paul is correct, and it is therefore puzzling why he is so underwhelmed about the election outcome.

A number of things have happened which indicate that the "welfare/warfare" state is losing it's grip.  John McCain is a has-been/never-again presidential candidate who is sliding into political dotage.

He is going to run up against the same problem that the President Obungle has discovered: there is no international consensus, no alliances, no NATO that is going to jump in to join his coalition to do whatever.

"Foreign Policy" has devolved into herding cats on an international scale.

Ron Paul should cheer up.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 10:56 | 5440063 AynRandFan
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Ideas are what count if you teach it in every public school coast-to-coast for the last 30 years.  Then, you get to take power and issue executive orders.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:01 | 5439195 FreeShitter
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Mr. Paul for the sake of us being noobs, just name the names of the NWO.

Thanks, All of ZH.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 00:29 | 5439222 Billy the Poet
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Nobody wants to be blacklisted at Hop Sing's.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTbErVDQ40

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 03:26 | 5439422 JB
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He should start by naming himself.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 01:00 | 5439299 alexcojones
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Veterans day and as a vet i am abit depressed. Staying with sister and she wanted to watch "History of the Navy Seals" on PBS.

Pure propaganda I told her and please change the channel so I dont curse thru the entire  BS show, or witness go off on the imperial war state we ZHers know so well.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 02:03 | 5439361 MrPalladium
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As a veteran myself (1969-1971) I always had this feeling once back in the states that the holiday is somewhat hypocritical in the sense that somehow a few parades once a year might pacifiy those who could cause a whole lot of trouble if aroused.

There was never any recognition of how your life and relationships might have become disjointed in many subtle ways by the experience. Lots of rah rah and very little depth of understanding.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 02:08 | 5439367 gwar5
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Can't go from communist democratic rule to Libertarian in one election. Takes steps, takes time but I like the trend. Many people waking up. Many Tea Party types got in this election as socialist obamabaggers were regurgitated and thrown out by a nauseated public.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 03:58 | 5439442 TeethVillage88s
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It aint communist.

Look at:

- Fascist
- Democide
- Duopoly
- Corporacracy
- Stratocracy
- Plutocracy
- Inverted Totalitarianism
- Crony Capitalism
- House of Lords
- Serfdom
- Hacienda or Hacienado system
- Indentured Servitude
- Debt Slaves
- British Empire

Other than that... we just have audit the Treason, Fraud, Racketeering in Government... and throw out the democrats & Republicans to restore a Republic without the influence of money/Lobbying... and break up our Money Trust and activate anti-trust legislation.

I'm sure you agree.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:43 | 5440825 Pickleton
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It's cultural marxism and economic fascism.

 

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 10:52 | 5440050 AynRandFan
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But, according to the main stream media the Tea Party is dead as a door nail.  They just can't figure out what happened . . . must be voter suppression, right?

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 05:51 | 5439500 sessinpo
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Ron Paul voted FOR any military action on Sept 14, 2001

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll342.xml

 

Then Ron Paul talks about how he is against military action Oct 2002.

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul51.html

Another two faced politician.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 08:51 | 5439659 Zaptastic
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I upvoted you for doing your homework.

But come on...  You can't compare Ron Paul to the two faced politicians.  He's in a different class all by himself.

There's a big difference between being two-faced and simply changing your mind.  A mind that is flexible enough to change course when a batter idea presents itself is a sign of strength, not weakness.  When a change of mind happens very frequently, then maybe weakness is being shown.  But to change it occasionally is a good thing.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 10:51 | 5440038 AynRandFan
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Just a little too charitable.  Birds of a feather . . .

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:25 | 5440723 Zaptastic
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Gotta disagree on Ron Paul.

I agree with you that 99.9999% of all politicians are alike...  slimy, gutless, stupid, selfish, assholes.

But I do believe that Ron Paul is different.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:57 | 5440879 Pickleton
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That was the resolution for Afghanistan, which was entirely justified.  Unless you're one of those troofer nutters...

 

H.J.RES.114: Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

The Iraq vote was a no.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/107/house/2/votes/455/

 

I think you're trying to square peg, round hole him.

 

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 06:54 | 5439537 lakecity55
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I could not have written it better myself.

RP!RP!RP!

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 08:16 | 5439599 EemieMeanieMinieMoe
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Endeavor to persevere.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 10:48 | 5440029 AynRandFan
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I read Mr. Paul's first book and it left me wondering whether anything is worth fighting for.  He would close all US bases in Europe and Korea.  He has softened his stance since, but he lacks pragmatism when it comes to things like American power and drug legalization.  Plus, zero charisma, as someone else said.

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 11:40 | 5440246 Billy the Poet
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"it left me wondering whether anything is worth fighting for"

 

Statists fight over things they have no right to control. Ron doesn't. He thinks that Germany and Korea should be the province of Germans and Koreans.

 

"zero charisma"

 

  1. Ron Paul Gets Rock Star Reception at University of Iowa ... www.nationaljournal.com/.../ron-paul-gets-rock-star-rec...
    National Journal

    Ron Paul: 2012's septuagenarian rock star?(Chris Carlson/AP). October 22, 2011 IOWA CITY, Iowa—It's homecoming night at the University of Iowa. The air is ...

  2. Ron Paul, rock star to college students, brings his message ... host.madison.com/.../ron-paul-rock-star.../article_e06...
    The Daily Cardinal

    Mar 30, 2012 - This is the Ron Paul campaign for president, and as strange as it sounds, the septuagenarian politician is a rock star to a demographic that ...

  3. Ron Paul getting rock star treatment in Iowa - CBS News www.cbsnews.com/.../ron-paul-getting-rock-star-treatment-in-i...
    CBS News

    Jan 3, 2012 - Ron Paul has been running a strong campaign in Iowa. And, reports "Early Show" contributor Taryn Winter Brill, it seems as if, wherever he ...

 

etc...

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 13:24 | 5440727 Vin
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"Meet the new boss.....same as the old boss".

All the RINO's and demonrats work for the same banking familty syndicate.  Until we all 'get it', nothing will change.

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