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Ukraine Currency Crashes After Senior EU Official Says "The Ukrainians Are Manipulating Us"
The much discussed tumble in the Russian ruble (or as Japan would call it "mission accomplished" if its was the Yen instead of the Ruble) may have stabilized somewhat, and judging by the Russian central bank's response to no longer intervene in the FX corridor-setting market on a daily basis, Russia is hardly too concerned by the impact to the economy as a result of the beating its currency has taken, but where Putin may have brushed off the "speculative" attack on its currency for the time being, things for Russia's western adversary, the Ukraine - the country whose economy is in a state of near terminal collapse and which unlike Russia doesn't have massive raw materials to fall back on - are just starting to go bump in the night.
As has been the case for nearly a year, the Ukraine has been on life support by its "western allies" ever since the Victoria Nuland/US State Department/CIA catalyzed coup early in the year. The problem is that those same "allies" now look like they have had enough of their "alliance" and are about to pull the "blank check" rug.
According to Reuters, nearly a year on from the first "EuroMaidan" protests that would topple the pro-Moscow president who had spurned an EU trade deal, some in Brussels are disillusioned by the experience of helping Ukraine. EU generosity in waiving import duties and funding gas supplies from Russia may be being abused, they say.
Corruption in Ukraine? Unpossible. But wait, it gets better:
Some in Ukraine's elite may be colluding with Russia, even as fighting in the east has begun to escalate again.
If true, this will be the biggest stunt a Russian leader has pulled since Khruschev banging on the desk in the UN with his shoe.
And the punchline:
"The Ukrainians are manipulating the EU," a senior EU official involved in negotiations told Reuters, saying the bloc was "waking up" to a need to better defend its own interests.
You mean those poor European taxpayers, raped for years to bail out insolvent Eurozone nations because, you know, "political capital", are now directly and indirectly funding Putin's extravagant habits?
Brilliant.
"There may be, in certain sections of the Ukrainian government, an interest in colluding with the Russians and instrumentalizing to a certain extent the EU," he added.
Such views are dismissed as "absolute nonsense" by Ukraine's ambassador to the EU, Kostiantyn Yelisieiev. He condemned talk of secret deals between Kiev and Moscow to exploit Western fears for profit as part of "Russian propaganda" and said he had full confidence in continued cooperation with the European Union.
In public, there is solid EU support for the newly elected president and parliament in the face of Russian hostility – a position new European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker will stress when he visits Kiev, perhaps as early as this month.
And there is unanimous, personal admiration among officials and diplomats for ordinary Ukrainians' courage on the streets, and a will to help them consolidate democracy and prosperity.
Yet in private, endemic post-Soviet corruption, the power of business "oligarchs" and suspicions of lingering Ukrainian collaboration with supposed enemies in Moscow lead some in Brussels to question the future of current levels of EU backing.
"Maybe people fell for this 'poor little Ukraine' line," one EU diplomat said. "But they're not so naive. They're waking up."
Well, if they indeed are, it also means any future IMF, or US aid, to the Ukraine is over. And here comes the bailouter's remorse:
Amid some regret at the way the EU's drive to conclude its Association Agreement with Ukraine ended up provoking conflict with Russia, there is sympathy in Brussels for Poroshenko, the confectionery magnate and long-time minister elected to succeed the ousted, Moscow-backed Viktor Yanukovich six months ago.
"You can't blame him for playing a weak hand as best he can in his own national interests," one EU diplomat said of the man who was feted as guest of honor at an EU summit in June.
At the same time, there is a concern not to write blank cheques to Ukraine at a time of austerity at home.
Which may explain why the Ukraine economy just entered the endspiel part judging by what happened to its currency overnight.
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Zombie
Guess all the dirty laundry that has suddenly dissappeared over the past few months are slowly popping up again one by one, first Ukraine...next will probably be some Ebola headlines coming out over the next week or two....damn MSM informing us of what goes on AFTER most of the elites already know way in advance...much like the fuckin algos getting Fed releases mere seconds before everyone else.
We were innocent!
The Ukies were manipulating us into joining them!
Nothing new, the Jmafia is doing in Ukraine what it does in the USA, manipulation is their modus operandi
Anyone that's ever put up with an Alcoholic asking to "borrow" some munny knows exactly what's going on here...
"Ukraine Currency Crashes After Senior EU Official Says "The PNAC/ZioCon Nuland-Kagans Are Manipulating Us."
Fixed.
Ebola card always available as Insurance.
Where's Pork-o-shanko and the Malaysian Flight black box data & audio?
I'm so glad that western MSM is so thorough, independent & relentless.
Gee, maybe the US "leadership" should have just watched the slope style events and smiled instead of plotting WW3 during the Winter Olympics....remember, it all started with the "yellow tap water". Juist sayin'.
I remember watching the Olympics and I was disturbed by all of the hate and nastiness the media was putting out about Russia. Hey maybe it's not the nicest place in the world but when you are a guest somewhere you don't talk shit about your host. Americans have turned into the most hateful, selfish people on this earth. I would so love to move to Iceland. Seems like a nice place with nice, intelligent people. I have a really low tolerance for stupidity and it is tested everyday by the ignorant fucks in this country. Sad what we have turned into here. No way it's going to magically get better neither.
Americans have turned into the most hateful, selfish people on this earth.
That's not true at all for the average American citizen who by and large is a pleasant friendly person. However the USSA has by now become a fully rogue state owned and controlled by an elite hostile to everyone's interests but their own.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
The average American citizen has never cared how much innocent blood their govt spills in other countries. How many of the warm hearted american women give a shit about the jelly babies in the ME due to uranium pollution by their heros?
To nuance it a little further, the ' nice friendly average American' has bought all the hate and demonization thrust on him day and night and is now himself a mini-monster and proliferator of hate.
Notice how every leader or group who fails to facilitate USA in every way becomes the worst threat mankind has ever known?
Seems like everyone has forgotten what a real threat looks like
A real threat is two nations each with a detailed plan to nuke the world to a cinder , and each playing chicken.
So we could all be free, but as a puff of gas
It took an attack of sanity overtaking Gorbachev to save us.
That was an exitential threat truly.
.
But that's ancient history.
I remember watching the Olympics and I was disturbed by all of the hate and nastiness the media was putting out about Russia. Hey maybe it's not the nicest place in the world but when you are a guest somewhere you don't talk shit about your host. Americans have turned into the most hateful, selfish people on this earth. I would so love to move to Iceland. Seems like a nice place with nice, intelligent people. I have a really low tolerance for stupidity and it is tested everyday by the ignorant fucks in this country. Sad what we have turned into here. No way it's going to magically get better neither.
""Maybe people fell for this 'poor little Ukraine' line," one EU diplomat said. "But they're not so naive. They're waking up.""
I could have told them a year ago this for free...
More evidence that elite rule isn't what it's cracked up to be ... unless you are a member of that elite, that is.
The EU have been soo keen to row in basket-case states that can only be a burden to the existing members. The first thing happens is that everyone from the new entry migrates to a better paying country where social benfits are generous. The rest under cut the native workers on wages, and cause unemployemnet and eventually, unrest.
UK is the favorite recipient of all this.
So why do they do this?
Is EU.NATO now just a tool of US expansionism and full spectrum domination?
Will the worm ever turn?
What happened to the currency overnight.
Learn from it..
Buyer's remorse.
:(
Romorse ?
Shouldn't have fucked that syphilitic whore in the first place.
Looks like the EU's dick is about to drop off.
Porky is prolly saying to himself: WTF?! Where do I go now?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu8JolUBNfg
Ukrainian General: "Ukraine is under Zionist occupation." Ukrainian General-Colonel Yan Kazemirovich from Kiev reveals CIA agents and Masons in Ukraine. Simferopol, March 7, 2014.Re Freddie,
Quote from the article:
Some in Ukraine's elite may be colluding with Russia
The colluding and cooperation I would assume is greatest between the j-mafia in Ukrain and the j-mafia in Russia. I serves Putin's purpose for now but the question is - to what extent does the j-mafia control Putin or have impunity to work counter to Russia from within Russia. To what extent does the j-mafia has power over the currency policy of Russia and since Putin is trying to fight the Fed (I assume, but perhaps that is an illustion) can/will Putin take out the j-mafia in Russia?
And as for the j-mafia elite in Ukraine, of course they are taking the EU financial assistance for themselves, they only care about profit. If it gets really, really hot for them in Ukrain they will fly to Israel. But before then they will siphon off and loot all the wealth they can. It is still very possible Ukraine will sink into full turmoil but with the j-mafia still beng able to control the govt and take ownership of all land and mineral assets which they then harvest for profit. (Who do you think took part in looting ll of Ukrain's gold?)
But before then they will siphon off and loot all the wealth they can.
They've already removed that unfortunate country's gold. Increasing evidence is emerging of Monsanto role in the 'democratising' process given Ukraine's position as the Heartland's breadbasket.
Snagglepuss. Exit...stage left !
Ukraine lied to UE ? Impossible
Vicky Nuland: Fuck the EU.
Ukraine: Roger, Captain.
Senior EU Official Says "The Ukrainians Are Manipulating Us"
No Shit. What gave it away? The bullet holes all over the wreckage of MH17?
"Maybe people fell for this 'poor little Ukraine' line," one EU diplomat said. "But they're not so naive. They're waking up."
Errrrrrr, sorry, yes they are all very naive and will limp from one crisis to another under US instructions, perhaps even into war.
So EU bureaucrata give billions of EU taxpayer money to Ukraine, a non EU member, while poor EU countries are left without support, then the EU bureaucrats find out they have been taken for a ride....and the EU bureaucrats feel they have been screwed.......how about the EU Taxpayers!!!!!
Hey the money to prop up the beach front condo market in Tel Aviv has to come from somewhere.
If the EU pulls out, the question will turn into how about the US taxpayers.
What's the surprise? Governments love to give money out like it's charity, provided there are photo-ops. Look at how much Israel continues to get from the US government and yet Detroit didn't see a nickel.
More evidence that elite rule now is no better than it was 100 years ago. Actually, it's probably worse.
Heck they watched Greece get billions for free...why not ask for more billions for free....just like food stamps....once you get on the program..you never get off....free money is just that..free money....and add in corruption to all that...and boy you have the Russian and Ukrainians pegged to a T
Greece got billions?
Greek bond holders got billions.
Fixed it for ya
well yes, don't forget to count the hookers n coke.
Greece DID NOT get any money whatsoever.
The Oligarchs and their Political Whores got a cut, the rest went to the Big European Banks. And Goldmans arranged that.
Goldmans COOKED THE BOOKS in order for Greece to Get in the Euro . DO NOT FORGET THAT.
Interesting, after failling at taking Putin down by manipulating Ukraine, the next strategy is to throw Ukraine under the bus and make it look Russia and Ukraine together staged all of it since the begining... Genius!
You have to give them points for coming up with shit.
And folks here think the can kicking cannot go on for longer.
Ameri-can kicking will go on 'cause there's much more 'booty' to be swindled.
The smell of fresh HELOC's fill the air!
Now where's Joe Bidens son going to find a job?
Tel Aviv, I hear they are ready to drill for gas and oil in the Golan Heights.
Somewhere that they don't do drug testing . . .
-30-
He can frack off to libya
That was that big booooooom.
obama will be more dangerious now than at any other time
thats what happen when you outlaw bitcoin bitchez!!
The Ukraine is now a state torn apart by the east-west divide, used by US Neocons as a clash of spheres of influence battleground between Russia and the West ...The Ukraine is a pawn, the West doesn't really give a shit about Ukraine or its people. The goal is a war on Russia's doorstep and stoking the flames of Stephan Bandera neo-nazism at Russia's border, that's the true goal!!!
Bingo, right on the money Mike. Its simple arson, start a fire next to a bigger building you cant get into and hope the fire catches and burns it down. They did it with the Wahabbis in Chechnya, and with the Georgians etc. They dont care about civilian deaths, they actually get a hard when the body count tallies are released.
LOL.
So, currency makes and breaks? LOL. I can't stop laughing.
Ukrainians are the first line of defense for europeans. Europeans have no options but to help ukraine.
Who cares about the currency. This is a matter of bullets and missiles and self preservation
It's all about the currency. This will all favor BitCoin. What is currency? Why is my paper printed with a 100 worth more than the one with a 10 on it? Or why is the banks computer more revered than my phone? The illusion of currencies is what it's all about.
Because it is, until it isn't. I will gladly trade you 5 of my pieces of paper with a 10 on it for one of yours with the 100.
No deal? Why not? 5 for one is pretty good right?
BTW - don't compare your phone to a bank's computer. Most likely we (myself included) can't really be certain when our phones connect to a legitimate tower or not.
what are you talking about? "Ukrainians the first line of defense..."??? Isn't that out of the old thing about which US service branch is the best? Like the Marine Corps is the fourth line of defense...?
there was an option, long time ago, to have all the eastern european countries that broke free from the Warsaw Pact to have their own club. But no, the US and the UK had to push, push, push. fine
nevertheless, Ukraine is not a line of anything
Ukraine is a country, with real living people that try hard to have a decent life, for criminy
And yes, some of them are fond of Putin, some aren't, and some are even aspiring to a better life, their oligarchs and their incredible levels of corruption permitting
That is NOT how the world works
your comment does not make sense to me.
first line of defence from what.the europeans are not threatened by russia.russia has no territorial ambition for europe.russia wants europe and russia on equal status.
about the ukrainian currency it is a big issue.currently it is 14.8 hyrvanas to the usd.i have read an article that if the hryvana goes over 12.5 to the usd it will have serious consequences for the economy.such as imports more expensive,foreign debt more expensive etc.yes it is also good for the exporters but what does ukraine export = fuck all that the eu needs + 30% of ukraine export goes to russia.
russia has given ukraine up to 20 billion dollars in discount since independance,now that it has stopped we will see what the eu will cough up
It is worse than that .
The EU is running out of money as secessionists movements gather momentum and tax revolts loom .
See
https://www.academia.edu/8816411/Rogue_Swan_EU_disintegration
See 80% Catalans vote for secession .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014
Expect a winter of discontent in Chez Europa .
80% of Catalans that went to the non-official poll voted yes. one million went to the poll. have you any idea how many were eligible and did not go?
from the point of participation that poll was a disaster for Catalan Independency. Which I would find a fine thing, btw
And they outlawed BTC yesterday... I wonder why lol
Soon to outlaw foreign currencies...then outlaw Gold and Silver...then outlaw barter.
Then 90% VAT tax.
Barter is already outlawed. Most countries demand fiat denominated taxes on transactions not even involving fiat. That's constitutes a ban, if you ask me.
During prohibition of alcohol in America, the sale of alcohol wasn't actually prohibited as it would violate some major laws. What existed instead was a sales tax exceeding 100% sale value of alcohol. That was considered a loophole ban.
Capone's trial was not for sale of alcohol, but for tax evasion. That's how the government does it.
Did Hunter Biden get burned by corruption?
The gold is safe.
Who knows ? It could be as bad as ... "Blow up some sh*t, and get Bazillions in bailout."
Warzone.
Do not look at USrael, Russia is profiting from the sanctions and the destruction of the relationshsips within continental Europe! Nothing to see here, move on!
What an awful 100% disinfo article.
Oh, please. NATO has coveted Ukraine.
Christine Lagarde, of the IMF, told Ukraine to fight the rebels if they wanted the money. Who is manipulating who? The IMF bankers have blood on their hands.
i'm getting the feeling that Moscow still controls Ukraine and is using the "civil war " there to achive following goals :
1.) get payment from the EU for Ukrainian Gas,since Ukraine can't pay for it
2.) confuse the NATO block ,maybe neutralise it by abusing contradictions within the block or through extortion
3.) create a new security architecture without america in europe. russia dominated of course
4.) have a new (soviet-)UNION from Lissabon to Vladivostok (Complete absorption of Europe into the new Union)
???
New World Order : Dissolution of Nation States into big Union Blocks. NorthAmericanUnion ,AfricanUnion,EuropeanUnion +Eurasian Union etc... and world govt under UN control which will be russia/china dominated.
tldr: Russia and China aka the commies won the cold war....
Give the John Deere engineers a couple of years in the Ukraine and they can feed the world....their farming is so backwards and old...it needs a reeducation and investment...when I was there most of the fields were fallow....not even planted..and they have some of the most rich soil in the world...
Deere is in Russia big already. In Russian Ag is promoted without give away and no GMO allowed.
Russia is building Ag without giving away to damage from west poison and mining agriculture methods
and ownership of land.
Ukraine needs same policys, but present Kyiv Gov already has deals to transfer lands from people,
even by force, as was intent for Donbass people. They want the people gone, dead or alive removed.
Don't wish for western corporation takeover of Ukraine soils. Monsanto already bribes for that.
Save for Ukraine people.
I speak from decades experience Agriculture.
Soils are Ukraine's greatest resource.
Volkodav
I heard big US Ag companies (Cargill) were leasing huge acreages with commitments to capitalize the agriculture industry with lots more investment. Then I heard the Chinese were doing the same thing. So tell me who is leasing all this land (who actually owns it?)
I am not sure to detail.
I think Kyiv does what it wants, no matter who occupied land. People whose families lived there centuries have no rights now. This is obvious from Kyiv's disregard for rights and kill civilians intentionally.
I understood IMF and other support deal was control and even (probably) remove the SE"s Russian heritage peoples
and that papers were signed agree with this with big oil and ag genetic/chemical, and other corporations.
Bribes is operative here.
Few years ago, I was offered up to 50,000 hectare basically freepay very long lease in Volga/Penza regions.
then financing was available,but infrastructure, roads problem.
I met those with expertise to facilitate, most located Saratov.
Putin Administration was actively work to get lands producing. He was out in field discuss with people.
Even like Great Katerine brought the Germans to farm and other occupations also (see Engels German community, across Volga from Saratov)
(My Lady is Samara Lawyer Litigation, full German, even from those times... Katerine invited her family who were Bankers at that time)
Understand, still in Russia laws are old, from Soviet, and change takes time.
I not familiar, but Ukraine after Soviet was likely near identical.
But Kyiv does not follow anyway, throws out lawmakers if they disagree, even in trashbin physically.
If not turned back, Corporations will bribe and own Ukraine, not the people.
There's also this:
Ukraine - the Bee War
Rock Solid Politics
9 June 2014
...Russia accused Monsanto of killing off the bees by use of a neuro-toxin, derived from nicotine, in its crops...Putin also indicated that the issue could lead to world war.
Ukraine fits into this picture as the "bread basket" of Europe. It's massive fields and rich soil have made it a market for Monsanto, Cargill, and Dow. Until now, companies like Cargill produced seed in Ukraine, but not GMO seed. That is banned by Ukrainian law. The prominence of GMOs therefore stopped at the Polish border - some distance from Russia. The European Union itself had banned GMOs, but that has since changed - and that is key.
With the overthrow of the previous President, based primarily on not agreeing to sign an EU association agreement, the new authorities in Kiev have been pushing toward signing the agreement. That agreement will require Ukraine to allow practices like GMOs. That places GMOs right on Russia's border, and directly affects the purity of its crops and, more importantly, the famous Russian honey bee. Yet it seems like such a small thing to bring the world to the brink of war over. However, look at the ramifications of it...
The reason I come here is for information just like this. Thank-you for your post. It all becomes crystal clear with a little more understanding of just what tyranny the US is capable of. Thanks again ChaingMai, and thank you ZH.
I hope Russia has told John Deere and others that if you even think or mention GMO then we will throw you out of the country.
youngman
I was there in 1994 on a medical mission and met an advisor from Iowa State advising on farming techniques. He said they got paid by the linear meters of corn the tractors planted so they drove like hell to put in many kilometers. A farmer will tell you that yield comes from insuring the rows of corn are exactly spaced for optimum pollination. I guess they are still driving like hell. In 1994 they spilled an awful lot, didn't have adequate storage capacity not enough drying equipment. Perhaps things never change.
A lot of truth in what you say. In fact that soil is so rich that geologists have a special name for it.
Best of my understanding is there are topsoil up to 40 feet deep.
Though I never plan dig to prove to myself, I will take others word.
Monsanto is already taking care of it.
There was a huge plant in Kherson. http://khersonmash.com.ua/en
It produced 70,000 harvesters per year during the Soviet times.
Now, it's almost completely destroyed, all heavy equipment has been stolen.
Who needs it when John Deere wants to get the market with its expensive machines?
Re "The Ukrainians Are Manipulating Us" - EU
Translation:
"The USSA is manipulating us - and, for its own nefarious agenda, is quite happy to see Europe crash & burn... forget 'burn' -make that 'freeze-to-death'.
It wouldn't, however, be polite or politic to say so openly - especially with Tricky Vicky Nudelman within earshot, hovering overhead on her broomstick."
+1 NuYawkFrankie, report immediately for re-indoctrination and a new course on proper translation
UKRAINE is now minting a new CABBAGE COIN !!! they are making their own coin out of CABBAGE ..... it is backed in cabbage and kobasa ! I'm very bullish on the new Farty currency and Fuck the EU !!!
EU Official a little slow on the uptake?
so useless..
With friends like Zero-hedge, Ukraine certainly doesn't need enemies. One possible explanation of the currency's plunge is Russia's redoubled war effort, the massive invasion by "separatists" who seem more and more to come from Russia itself. They want to separate Ukraine, and it appears they have the military muscle to do it.
Ignorant post
media dumb you down much?
most Ukrainians would like to be seperated from Kyiv govt and Oligarchs right now.
Lvov and other west which need seperated back to Poland would solve a lot of problem.
Let Poland deal with them...SE Ukraine and Russia is tired of subsidize them.
With all the problems in the Euro-zone and winter approaching the idea of making a deal with Putin is gaining momentum. Russia is the country many in the EU depend on for natural gas. It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power.
Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction. As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More about how parties are moving towards a deal in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine.html
So "Fuck the EU" is finally starting to sink in?
What beats me is why the EU was ever suckered into supporting the Zio-Neocon coup in the first place.
You don't know who construct EU firstly?
And control...
If the hryvnia is crashing now, it's because of positive evidence that Ukraine shot down MH17.
It isn't any more complicated than that.
THE PLOT SICKENS
http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20141105/1014281813.html
Whats with the sub-prime banker bailiut tranch named "Maiden lane" http://www.ny.frb.org/markets/maidenlane.html and the Ukrainian coup rebellion/EU putsch named Maidan lane?
The bitterness SE Ukraine will feel towards USSAkiev will take a century or more if ever to heal. The USSA is great at fucking everything it touches and more than likely was their intention; same in Iraq, same every fucking where.
Colorado cops show off cannabis harassment tactics for CNBC crew, give tickets for cigarettes
2009- Zombie banks
2014- Ukraine, a zombie country
surely the eu didn't misinterpit the nuland memo, f--k the eu.
As you might recall, on July 18, 2014 I suggested that MHi7 was shot down because it was believed by some that Vladimir Putin, for resons of security, was aboard it incognito.
You can decide for yourselves who would want Putin dead and have access to elements in the Ukrainian Air Force and in the Ukrainian Air Traffic Controllers to achieve this nefarious goal.
To be perfectly objective in this perusal it must be acknowledged that Russian Intelligence fed Putin's false travel plans to the CIA and the West are are therefore somewhat responsible for the CIA and the West bringing down the passenger plane with 298 victims on it.
MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS:
THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING PUTIN WAS ABOARD THE PLANE, AND SHOOTING THE PLANE OUT OF THE SKY WITH 300 PASSENGERS ON IT.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky is a very outspoken Russian nationalist politician, and if you want to know what a lot of ordinary Russians think about Ukraine, just watch him unload on a Ukrainian journalist asking him a question.
http://russia-insider.com/en/tv_politics_ukraine/2014/11/07/01-12-06pm/r...
The EU is finally figuring out what the Russians have known for a long time. The Ukrainians are freeloaders who have managed to create a failed state and economic basket case with only a little help from the usual suspects in DC, Brussels and City of London. Best that western Ukraine secede or join Poland and form a neo-fascist boil on the EUs collective ass while letting everyone else get on with rebuilding their lives and economy.
I hope that I live to see the day when Cheney,Rumsfield,Wolfowitz,Wurmser,Lutfi,Feith,Woolsley,Libby, Zokheim and the rest are executed for committing treason against my country.
Why are you so down on these people? What could they possibly have in common? And how can you claim they commit treason against your country? /s
It's only citizens from whom loyalty can be expected who can commit treason. If you are a dual citizen, whose primary loyalty is to the alternative country, then your primary loyalty belongs there. Even the Bible says you cannot serve two masters.
The real problem is that your country allows dual citizenship; allows those whose loyalty is to their non resident country to hold high office, allows those same infiltrators to control the media and much of the legal and educational establishments. In fact, your country is like a zombie which has been hollowed out by an infestation of parasites who have taken control of the host so as to feed their own kind, while killing the host. Same as it ever was and history repeats once more.