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Why The Stock Market Is Detached From The Economy

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Submitted by Lance Roberts of STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:29 | 5438556 Cognitive Dissonance
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A prep a day keeps the (coming economic) disaster away.

<Prep the mind, prep the body, prep the garden, prep the PM's, prep the alternative energy source, prep the.....>

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 21:26 | 5438791 Aeternus
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There is no economic disaster, everyone is rich in America, everything is on the up and up, unemployment and stagnant/declining wages is a myth, a conspiracy theory!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9D6TECSa0

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 05:28 | 5439490 Oracle 911
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<bail out

<default

A rhetorical question:

What will happen when the revenues are unable service the company debts for stock buybacks of big companies?

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:17 | 5438558 Ban KKiller
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Simple, really. The manipulation in the stock market is more pronounced than the manipulation of the rest of the "free market" American/World economy. Growth, or the appearance of it, must be maintained. 

Doom to banksters, send out the shitgums. 

Cement trucks are mothballed everywhere. 

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:28 | 5438603 kaiserhoff
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Right about deflationary pressures, but the biggest problem in the economy is that government at all levels,

has grown like a cancer, and crowded everything else out.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:37 | 5438636 yield_curver
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We're fucked. How will it end?

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:46 | 5438657 order66
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When the rich decide their assets are inflated enough, they stop spending.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:51 | 5438666 observiate
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awesome post. just simply awesome. thank you, Mr. Roberts, and of course, Mr. Durden as well. we must spread the truth to our less informed friends out there. we must never give up, no matter the how dire we recognize the situation to be. hashtag libertarian solidarity.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:55 | 5438680 OW My Balls
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 "Think about this for a moment. The stock market is comprised of thousands of companies doing business in the economy. Therefore, it only makes sense that the value of the stock market should be a reflection of the economy"

 

Think about this for a moment. The stock market is comprised of thousands of asymmetrically DISAPPORTIONED jew bankers conflagrating the asset values of shit that they print counterfeit money for themselves to buy whilst wreaking havoc on productive society. In the process, they buy & bribe:

- politicians

- jurisprudence

- MSM propaganda

Therefore, it only makes sense that the value of the stock market should be a reflection of that miserable shell game of self interest.

 

There ~ Fixed it

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 20:57 | 5438683 OW My Balls
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 "Think about this for a moment. The stock market is comprised of thousands of companies doing business in the economy. Therefore, it only makes sense that the value of the stock market should be a reflection of the economy"

 

Think about this for a moment. The stock market is comprised of thousands of asymmetrically DISAPPORTIONED jew bankers conflagrating the asset values of shit that they print counterfeit money for themselves to buy whilst wreaking havoc on productive society. In the process, they buy & bribe:

- politicians

- jurisprudence

- MSM propaganda

Therefore, it only makes sense that the value of the stock market should be a reflection of that miserable shell game of self interest.

 

There ~ Fixed it

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:51 | 5439024 RSDallas
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The only reason the US stock market is rising and has risen in the past 5 years is the fact that the US is the cleanest dirtiest shirt on the rack, for now.  Big money has to move to somewhere.  You and I (the individual investor) can buy gold or stay in cash.  The institutional investor has to stay invested no matter where they are in the world.  The end game will not happen until all the players realize that there are no more chairs to sit in.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:50 | 5439025 RSDallas
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The only reason the US stock market is rising and has risen in the past 5 years is the fact that the US is the cleanest dirtiest shirt on the rack, for now.  Big money has to move to somewhere.  You and I (the individual investor) can buy gold or stay in cash.  The institutional investor has to stay invested no matter where they are in the world.  The end game will not happen until all the players realize that there are no more chairs to sit in.

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 22:54 | 5439034 Leles
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Goal seek analysis with lousy assumptions and lousy conclusions.

For starters, one who states that "the value of the stock market should be a reflection of the economy" clearly lacks markets experience AND analytical competence.

So many factors alter these relationship. Lets begin with the non-constant degree of internationalization of listed companies, which makes that comparison pointless. That may not be a big deal if we're looking at the last couple of years, but things have changed a bit since WWII...

But even if this wasn't the case, the author lacks some fundamental concepts of equity value:

- the role real rates play in valuation

- the role low capex and greater ROIC play in valuation

- the role of payout ratio (dividends and buybacks) play in valuation

 

Equities aren't valued for their EPS, but for their expected cash flows, just like any other financial instrument. Perma-bears (sorry ZH) don't get that. The economy is doing just fine enough to allow increasing sales, and revenue growth is coming at a very low cost, since all three production factors - labor, capital and (well, not so much) raw materials - currently have abundant supply.

All factors concur for higher multiples today. We have raising sales, raising margins and earnings, but also raising cash flow from lesser capex needs and raising payout ratio. Catastrophic correction might come if all trends reverse, but that's unlikely.

Disaster usually occurs when growth accelerates, but after the point where the other factors change in nature: installed capacity excesses disappear, capital becomes more expensive and tightening of labor market begin to weigh on corporate costs. Return on capital becomes uncorrelated with growing revenues and even with shorter term earnings, and lesser cash flow eventually catches up with excessive expectations.

 

We have many threats today that might start a broad reaction: a batcrap crazy Russian autocrat, Tech bubble, Chinese bubble. But I find very unlikely that that the broad market valuation be a primary source of trouble...

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:12 | 5439091 DOGGONE
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Where is your head?
http://www.showrealhist.com

Tue, 11/11/2014 - 23:21 | 5439116 dirtyfiles
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this market parabolic charts looks like last grasp to desperate escape from reality and most of all responsibility

Wed, 11/12/2014 - 02:53 | 5439405 hedgiex
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Nothing here. Markets still maintained by CB and Traders playing with each other. A large group of muppets/preys still enjoying their "kills"..they tend to be in the next tier of the 10% crowd.

Traders are just using algos to capture the volatility. Risk mgt to them is all about liquidity of sectors. They switch off spins of GS and others.

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