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Brazil Builds Its Own Fiber-Optic Network... To Avoid The NSA
Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,
This past week Brazil announced that it will be building a 3,500-mile fiber-optic cable to Portugal in order to avoid the grip of the NSA.
What’s more, they announced that not a penny of the $185 million expected to be spent on the project will go to American firms, simply because they don’t want to take any chances that the US government will tap the system.
It’s incredible how far now individuals, corporations, and even governments are willing to go to protect themselves from the government of the Land of the Free.
The German government, especially upset by the discovery of US spying within its borders, has come up with a range of unique methods to block out prying ears.
They have even gone so far as to play classical music loudly over official meetings so as to obfuscate the conversation for any outside listeners.
They’ve also seriously contemplated the idea of returning back to typewriters to eliminate the possibilities of computer surveillance.
More practically, the government of Brazil has banned the use of Microsoft technologies in all government offices, something that was also done in China earlier this year.
The Red, White, and Blue Scare has now replaced the Red Scare of the Cold War era. And it comes at serious cost.
From Brazil’s rejection of American IT products alone, it is estimated that American firms will lose out on over $35 billion in revenue over the next two years.
Thus, as the foundation of the country’s moral high-ground begins to falter, so does its economic strength.
The irony should not be lost on anyone; on a day when Americans celebrate their veterans’ courage in fighting against the forces of tyranny in the world, we find yet another example of where the rest of the world sees the source of tyranny today.
It’s amazing how much things have changed.
In the past, the world trusted America with so much responsibility.
The US dollar was the world’s reserve currency. The US banking system formed the foundation of the global banking system. US technology became the backbone of the global Internet.
But the US government has been abusing this trust for decades.
Today the rest of the world realizes they no longer need to rely on the US as they once did.
And in light of so much abuse and mistrust, they’re eagerly creating their own solutions.
Just imagine—if Brazil is building its own fiber optic cable to avoid the NSA, it stands to reason that they would create their own alternatives in the financial system to directly compete with the IMF and the US dollar.
Oh wait, they’re already doing that too. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Any news on Ebola.
Kent brantly walks into hospital
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOwECk3S8Kk
Nina pham goes from bleeding out the ass to hugging the prez- in a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAnH45KE-ug
All ebola all the time, until....
How many people have any real verification of ebola being the plague it was advertised?
Alex Jones claims Ebola is a creation of the CIA and of American drug companies, with Bill Gates involved in this pandemic scare conspiracy.
Nope, just water poisoning with formaldehyde to facilitate covert wars for precious resources (Oil, Diamonds, Rare Earth Minerals) in 4 African countries, Ebola has never been isolated in human tissue.
Now back to the subject of a 3500 mile long Fiber-Optic cable, Yeah Right...That's going to be defensible. Don't those dumb Brazilians know that the NSA has submarines and can tap that shit?
And they have wire cutters that apparently work underwater.
I am Chumbawamba.
Although the comment is very funny, I have to comment here. Taping into fiber, specially underwater pipe like Brazil is laying is not impossible but dang right difficult. In addition, when you lay a black core (the fiber super highway between Brazil and Portugal) you encrypt the tunnels on both ends. This is done more for traffic management than for security but it works quite well for security.
The main reason for laying their own fiber is that when you use US based fiber, it routes all non P2P traffic thru the US based infrastructure. That includes the NSA data center in Utah. By building their own fiber ( and setting up their own DNS, etc services) they become a secure pipeline between Europe and South America.
Hilariously, Brazil thinks the NSA has Brazil high on its list of concerns.
Full spectrum dominance, everywhere, all the time.
Mr Yellen can print $35 Bill in 30 seconds
More like "Full Spectrum BullShit"...
Brazil is the country of the future, and always will be. Now Chile, that's a former mess that has done well.
Brazil is constructing five new submarines, including one atomic-powered vessel, to boost patrolling across the South American country's 8,500km coast. The NSA sub might get a torpedo up the ass, with luck the Russians & Chinese will help with technology transfer. Go BRICS Go
The silence is deafening eh?
As strange as the missing tapes of flight MH-17, and the US abrupt halt of daily sound bites blaming Russia for it..
ebola is real, and real bad, that the ace-in-the-hole to be pulled out in the event the bullshit du jour constantly being spewed goes to hell...
You are behind the news, USA/NATTO are already blaming Russia for thr 6th Russian invasion of Ukraine./
Obola?
He's in China giving away something.
No one wants SiliCON Valley spy shit software, hardware, cloud you name it. A lot of ***king retards still love iPhons like LibTurds.
We do understand the USA has the capability to tap into any underseas fiber cable at many points under the water.....right?
Yep, Navy will spend 30 million on a refridgerator size box snapped over the top of it and back feed am radio just be assholes.
Unless the data is encrypted at the end points, at which point they can tap the noise going by ... but only terraists use that stuff ...
Regards,
Cooter
Google Translate is pretty good at encrypting Portuguese.
Do you recall when sevaral years ago undersea cables in the Atlantic (I think) were cut? There was no explanation given at the time. Sorry I cant be more precise and I'm too lazy to dig up the details.
There was a link in Hawaii that got cut a few years ago, could have been Russia, China, or even the US bumbling again.
I may be wrong here but I think you may be referring to some undersea cables that were accidentally cut around the Eastern Med off the coast of Cyprus. Cables that handle a lot of the Internet traffic from Asia to Europe. As I recall the perps were GCHQ.
You may be correct, thanks.
The En Ess Aye can supposedly place taps on undersea cables using subs. They supposed spent a lot of money perfecting tapping fiber optics. China has a photon encryption they are using on their en ess Aye proof fiber optic line from shanghai to Bejing that they are building. .
Ya that is kinda pointless. Nothing is really secure any more. And Brazil lacks the ability to check the whole sea floor to see if it's been tampered with.
green carl, while that's most likely true, russia may be of some assistance. putin visited brazil some months back, summer i believe, and spent some days discussing and signing treaties. it's possible putin was chatting about the petro dollar, an alternative to swift, as well as some novel way to circumvent the NSA. as LOP has pointed out several times, the BRICS hold a great deal of the world's population and it's conceivable the BRICS are beginning to devise numerous ways to 'opt out'.
ok, that fine, they can figure out a way around using the petrodollar, and swift, and you guys can downvote away all you want. but that still doesnt explain how they can protect a 3500 mile fiber optic cable that streches across the bottom of an ocean that the US controls. Im not defending the tapping of the whole worlds phone lines, im just saying this new fiber optic line means nothing, and won't be secure, and most definetely isnt going to allow them to 'opt out'
You miss the point, which is NOT to give any money to an American company...
there are no American companies. Multinatiional is where its at. Companies being part of nations is so 1970's.
Its all about tax havens and putting you first, making you all you can be by being in the markets you need to be in whenever you need to be there selling whatever it is that today's hip young consumer needs to be whatever it is we are selling.
America, its turning out to be a tired old brand nobody wants anymore....time for a reboot...
I suspect that the majority of South American countries would rather go through Brazil than use Yanqui cables.
again, this assumes that just because this cable goes from brazil to portugal, that the us gov isnt able to intercept anything that goes through it. thats silly. i can assure you that it is no more secure than my iphone. thinking otherwise is silly and niave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells
Yep. Run out of Woods Hole, Mass.
Wrong. As the title says, it's an OPTICAL fiber (trunk line).
Good luck "tapping" into that bundle -- especially at depth -- w/o perturbing the transmission and thus alerting everyone. They'd have to tap into the Sending or Receiving stations in each country instead, where it's a lot easier to compromise people than the Laws of Optics.
Fiber tapping is a reality. There are commercial systems already available in the market, you won't believe how relative cheap they are . In this case the depth of the ocean and the secret transmission of the stolen data are the major obstacles. I'm pretty sure that the US will find the specs of the cables used and the route also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fXbKO7JAqE
Expect an unexplained explosion
May I just say that I like the rhythm of "an unexplained explosion" immoderately.
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.............kinda silly, as it's pretty much public knowledge our mini subs have a "hoop" that can surround the cable and tap into it.
geez, I read that in a book I bought off Amazon over 10 years ago.
Dammit, Cog beat me too it.
If anyone can provide any more particulars I'd be grateful. I've done some work with fiber in the distant past and am aware of some of the known difficulties. How is done as to not set off alarm? A cut would result in instant loss prompting backup to kick in, bending the fiber would result in dB loss. Must be some pretty clever guys that came up with this hack.
I doubt they splice the actual fibers. I woudl think they would just separate stuff just enough to get a high tech collar around the individual fiber that might be able to bend it in just the right pattern and siphon off just enough light to read the signal.
But as I stated up thread, this ain't shit if the traffic is encrypted, which is guaranteed for the trouble they are going through.
NSA can crack some serious shit, but if one spends the money these big players are spending I suspect the NSA has their work cut out for them staying caught up ...
Regards,
Cooter
Fiber works through "total internal reflection". The light is introduced to the fiber at a shallow angle and bounces off the external wall of the glass. The angle required for the light to bounce rather than exit the glass fiber is based on the refractive index of the glass. By surrounding the fiber with another transparent material you can "insert" a loop of your own fiber into an existing one without cutting the cable. Course that's a pretty delicate operation to do at the bottom of an ocean.
That's why you have to encrypt before transmission.
Wouldn't the act of bending result in appreciable dB loss? I dont know musch about undersea cable so I cant address normal losses due to other effects but it seems to me that a micro-bend such as you describe would be detectale.
I havent dealt with this stuff for two decades so I'm realy out of touch.
TW, I freind who worked for a GSA othfit recalled how he accidentally punctured the gas filled plenum around a fiber run (required for some Agencies) and was promptly swarmed by numerous MP3 armed Mr Smiths who advised him not to move. They were all Mr Smiths and this was before The Matrix came out, LOL.
Yes, they have it very well documented in "Blind Man's Bluff": http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Mans-Bluff-Submarine-Espionage
At the time, I think they were tapping copper undersea cables of the Russians that linked to Polyarny or something.
I agree with you. A single fiber may be tapable with some tricky techniques. However, for modern undersea fiber bundles, that would be tremendously difficult. The premade fiber bundles of 144 strands are about the circumference of a human thumb. To make it even harder to tap, you could packet switch the stream randomly across all the fibers. The ones in the center would be virtually impossible to properly tap, at least as far as I know.
The Silent War was a better book IMO.
I liked grapes of wrath by Steinbeck, but it had hardly any crypto in it. Lots of driving and crying though
difficult but not impossible. fiber lines have to have a repeater/booster somewhere. That is where the security gap is. A 3500 mile line will have hundreds of repeaters. You don't need to cut the line, you just need to break into the repeater and let it duplicate each packet for you.
Really. Do photons project an EM filed outside the cable????
Lol! +1
Nice try, Brazil! But I doubt that it will work.
The NSA motto is "All your data are belong to us".
Hello, is that you Boris??
Don't give them too much credit. They're still a government agency, full of government employees and even worse: defense contractors.
If i hear another fucking CUNT on here compare the virtues of the RED/BLUE CONstructs i'll Huff and i'll Puff. . . well anyway i'll think about what i'm going to do to you. . . or maybe i'll do nothing. . . yes. . . What was the question again?
Maybe it won't work so fucking what ?( does anything work any longer?) It's the thought that counts!!!!
Also you can bet that Brazil and it's friends BRICS and MANY OTHERS coming on board will EXCLUDE USSA companies from PRIME CONTRACTS ACROSS THE BOARD. DO NOT FEED THIS GLUTTONOUS BEAST.
Just imagine—if Brazil is building its own fiber optic cable to avoid the NSA, it stands to reason that they would isolate USA.
lol-nsa has access before they even got done u dum fukers..............
They're thus also keeping the BRIIC version of SWIFT from being compromised.
The Empire's days are numbered. If the Ziocons had any sense, they'd ease up and reach fair deals. But that would go against their DNA, I guess: "Once a Clingon, always a Clingon."
It's difficult to see how a fiber optic cable from Brazil to Portugal will prevent spying.
Seems to me that the way to go is to make strong encryption an easy-to-use standard feature of e-mail clients and browsers etc.
Fiber-optic thongs!
"From Brazil’s rejection of American IT products alone, it is estimated that American firms will lose out on over $35 billion in revenue over the next two years."
Brazil? Spending $35B on IT in the next 2 years? Poppycock!
darteaus, 35 b on it in the next 2yrs for brazil alone does indeed sound absurd however if we suppose brazil is not isolated, not entirely alone, and the link to portugal a small first step, then the venture begins to have a much wider louder reasonance. i certainly think it's in china's as well as russia's interests to see this project through. truly i feel it's it's in my interests as well as yours. i am thoroughly sick of the NSA and its silly games...making us use passwords! what really? other than to make me realize fully the depth of the sham my life and freedom are, what, why must we continue with the charade? let it be finished. please.
At this point sensible people must ask themselves if the NWO is destroying its people and corporations then who the hell are they?
Aliens?
tired1 : "If anyone can provide any more particulars I'd be grateful. I've done some work with fiber in the distant past and am aware of some of the known difficulties. How is done as to not set off alarm? A cut would result in instant loss prompting backup to kick in, bending the fiber would result in dB loss. Must be some pretty clever guys that came up with this hack."
No physical contact with the cable is needed.
"The Puzzle Palace" has more on it...
http://www.amazon.com/The-Puzzle-Palace-Intelligence-Organization/dp/014...
nobody would let security depend on the ability to eavesdrop on a communication channel. The assumption is always that somebody is listening, so the focus is on encryption/decryption on both ends of the channel. But of course, having your own channel reduces the risk of someone cutting you off from communicating at all. I think we have to take the article with a little grain of salt, like so many articles on ZH
GO BRICS!!
You rebel scum
What? We missed Portugal?
Shouting heard inside the NSA Secret Headquarters.
Relax, we got 'em fooled. Portugal is wired too.
This fiber optic project is just a placebo + nationalist propaganda. Taping into fiber optic networks is a well-esablished technology & routine procedure, so if the NSA or any other skilled actor wants into the Brazilian network it will be done. Biggest problem for Brazil is the FALSE sense of security that this move will generate.
I have done some fiber work recently.
I am not an expert but...
this cable would be quite tight on the ocean floor and therefore difficult to get enough slack to sever the jacket to access the cables for bending.
any bending to suck off some light will degrade the signal ie db loss and be detectable
the amount of light that would be stolen would not be very much and maybe not enought to use.
then they would need to send that light to a powered receiver to amplify the signal located where, under the ocean Hmmm... not likely.
then they would have to run their own cable to their land receiver to once again amplify and send to the Nsa somewhere.
I would imagine the cable could be pressurized with a gas and detect any severing of the jacket via a pressure loss.
Im not saying it's impossible but would it be worth it?
It would be much better and easier to tap into it at a land station.
They tapped into it where it is weakest - through the US Constitution, literally right through the middle.
Spy agency taps into undersea cable | ZDNet
Add 6 extra feet to that cable so it can pass up Barroso's fat Arse en route.
Snowden did a very good job indeed. As I mentioned before many countries will try to avoid US technology as much as possible, this means rapidly declining sales of "upgraded" aka infested equipment and that can be a serious blow in the long term for the US since they make a lot of money from selling technology. Even if the sales don't fall rapidly in the short term the other countries have already taken the necessary steps to make the interceptions so much harder for the US which again means more tax payer money spent on organizations with classified budgets... But the most important thing is that the US will lose its advantage whereby it will be gathering less information than before... so essentially it's a no-win situation for the US - all their own doing.
I've said it once i'll say it again. Fascist Sam put a stake through the heart of US tech to chase some ghosts.
Only less and less "business" going forward, particularly beyond the borders. Protect the fraud racket at all costs.
Yet not even so much as a token gesture from Kongress to reign in J.P. Fascism Inc.
Shit, we've gonna give you 500 mil to help with infrastructure improvements, you can that that 185 and build yourself something nice. Now where is the end of that cable, I just want to put one little transducer, switchey thing in there. Have a nice day.