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The Economic End Game Explained
Submitted by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,
Throughout history, in most cases of economic collapse the societies in question believed they were financially invincible just before their disastrous fall. Rarely does anyone see the edge of the cliff or even the bottom of the abyss before it has swallowed a nation whole. This lack of foresight, however, is not entirely the fault of the public. It is, rather, a consequence caused by the manipulation of the fundamental information available to the public by governments and social gatekeepers.
In the years leading up to the Great Depression, numerous mainstream “experts” and politicians were quick to discount the idea of economic collapse, and most people were more than ready to believe them. Equities markets were, of course, the primary tool used to falsely elicit popular optimism. When markets rose, even in spite of other very negative fiscal indicators, the masses were satisfied. In this way, stock markets have become a kind of dopamine switch financial elites can push at any given time to juice the citizenry and distract them from the greater perils of their economic future. During every upswing of stocks, the elites argued that the “corner had been turned,” when in reality the crisis had just begun. Nothing has changed since the crash of 1929. Just look at some of these quotes and decide if the rhetoric sounds familiar today:
John Maynard Keynes in 1927: “We will not have any more crashes in our time.”
H.H. Simmons, president of the New York Stock Exchange, Jan. 12, 1928: “I cannot help but raise a dissenting voice to statements that we are living in a fool’s paradise, and that prosperity in this country must necessarily diminish and recede in the near future.”
Irving Fisher, leading U.S. economist, The New York Times, Sept. 5, 1929: “There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature of a crash.” And on 17, 1929: “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. I do not feel there will be soon if ever a 50 or 60 point break from present levels, such as (bears) have predicted. I expect to see the stock market a good deal higher within a few months.”
W. McNeel, market analyst, as quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, Oct. 30, 1929: “This is the time to buy stocks. This is the time to recall the words of the late J. P. Morgan… that any man who is bearish on America will go broke. Within a few days there is likely to be a bear panic rather than a bull panic. Many of the low prices as a result of this hysterical selling are not likely to be reached again in many years.”
Harvard Economic Society, Nov. 10, 1929: “… a serious depression seems improbable; [we expect] recovery of business next spring, with further improvement in the fall.”
I hear nearly identical statements from pro-mainstream, pro-dollar skeptics all the time. And all of their assertions rest solely on the illusion of the Dow and the dollar index, not to mention statistics that are sourced from the very government that has much to gain by fooling the public into believing all is well.
In 2009, Paul Krugman, perhaps the worst and most famous economist of our age, lamented on the fact that no one in mainstream finance saw the derivatives and credit crash coming. Yet it is the same kinds of manipulative policies that Krugman champions that caused this collective ignorance in mainstream circles to begin with.
What the past proves, time and time again, is that establishment trained and educated economists are perhaps the most useless of all analysts. They are perpetually wrong. Only independent analysts have ever been able to predict anything of value as far as our economic future — not because they are psychic, but because they have the advantage of standing outside the foggy propaganda of brainwashed financial academia.
It also proves that the appearance of prosperity means nothing if the fundamentals do not support the optimism. That is to say, a bullish stock market, a high dollar index and a low unemployment percentage mean nothing if such stats are generated by false methods and fiat. The fundamentals ALWAYS matter. As we saw during the Great Depression, the markets cannot hide from reality forever.
I relate these points because the future I am about to suggest here might sound outlandish to some, because it is so contrary to the “official” accounting of our current financial world. It is important to remember that the mainstream, the majority, is almost always wrong and that the truth is very rarely accepted broadly until calamity has already fallen.
I outlined the hard facts behind the reality of economic downturn in my article “We Have Just Witnessed The Last Gasp Of The Global Economy.”
The bottom line is that the stock market, the greatest false indicator of all time, is on the verge of implosion; and the banking elites are positioning themselves to avoid blame for this implosion while the rest of us are being sold on the most elaborate recovery con-game ever conceived. But what is the purpose behind this con-game? Lies are generally only told by those who hope to gain something through deception. What do the elites hope to gain by creating a facade of recovery?
They have openly admitted to the public on numerous occasions EXACTLY what they want — namely, the institution of a truly global and centralized economic system revolving around a highly controlled world currency framework and dominated by a select cult of banking oligarchs. Anyone who claims that this is not the goal is either a liar or an uneducated fool.
I have covered the evidence supporting this program many times in the past, but it would seem with the precariously surreal nature of our world today that much needs repeating. In 1988, the financial magazine 'The Economist' published an article titled “Get ready for a world currency by 2018,” in which it outlined the framework for a global currency system called the “Phoenix” (a hypothetical title), administered by the International Monetary Fund by the year 2018, which would erase all national economic sovereignty and require governments to borrow from the world central banking authority, rather than print, in order to finance their infrastructure programs. This would mean total control by the IMF over member nations as they beg and plead for more capital under the global currency umbrella.
If this sounds familiar, it is because I have been warning about the IMF takeover of the global monetary system for at least six years. The Economist actually admits that the Phoenix system would start out in the format of the Special Drawing Rights basket currency:
The phoenix would probably start as a cocktail of national currencies, just as the Special Drawing Right is today. In time, though, its value against national currencies would cease to matter, because people would choose it for its convenience and the stability of its purchasing power…
The plan is to introduce a basket currency system as an alternative to the dollar as world reserve, then slowly but surely phase out all sovereign currencies until the basket becomes a currency itself - the ONLY currency. Former World Bank Chief Economist Justin Yifu Lin seems to agree with this ideology, arguing that national currencies must be replaced with a supranational currency, and pointing out that no single currency has the strength to stand alone as world reserve:
"I think the dominance of the greenback is the root cause of global financial and economic crises...The solution to this is to replace the national currency with a global currency..."
I would mention that a "Phoenix" rises from the ashes of calamity reborn. What ashes are the elites expecting the new global currency to rise from?
It is important to note that 'The Economist' is not just any random financial publication; it is in large part owned by the Rothschild banking family and is based out of the London financial center, meaning, The Economist does not have to “guess” on the economic developments of the future; it has an inside track on exactly what is planned to occur.
You can see my more recent analysis on the IMF global currency scheme here.
A plan for global governance has also been touted by international elites over the years, the roots of which would supposedly begin around 2015. The Gorbachev Foundation, which boasts many American elites as members, has long predicted the rise of a global government. In 1995, the executive director of the foundation, Jim Garrison, had this to say to the San Francisco Weekly:
"Over the next 20 to 30 years, we are going to end up with world government. … It’s inevitable. It will happen and become just as normal to have a relationship with the rest of the world as we now have, say, if you are a Californian and you go to Vermont."
At the Gorbachev-led State of the World Forum in 1995, Council On Foreign Relations member Zbigniew Brzezinski had this to say:
“We do not have a New World Order. … We cannot leap into world government in one quick step. … In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization — genuine globalization — is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units.”
Regionalization is already occurring as the BRIC nations form their own bilateral trade agreements and their own global bank, and this is by design. The catalyst to trigger the end of the dollar and the dominance of a global currency system, I believe, will be the false East/West paradigm. I have seen an incredible array of analytic interpretations of the macro-economy by multiple mainstream and independent financial writers, but very few of them recognize that the conflict between the West and the eastern BRICS is nothing more than a farce. I have compiled a considerable profile of evidence on the reality that governments like Russia and China are actually complicit in the formation of a global currency and global government controlled by the IMF. You can see that evidence here, here and here.
China in particular has loudly pronounced a need for a global currency system to replace the dollar, and they have suggested that this system be controlled by the IMF:
The world economic crisis shows the "inherent vulnerabilities and systemic risks in the existing international monetary system," Gov. Zhou Xiaochuan said in an essay released Monday by the bank. He recommended creating a currency made up of a basket of global currencies and controlled by the International Monetary Fund and said it would help "to achieve the objective of safeguarding global economic and financial stability."
China is NOT anti-establishment or anti-new world order, nor is Russia. Eastern opposition to the NWO is a lie. Period. In fact, the BRICS have argued only for greater inclusion in the IMF system and have no intention of developing a legitimate alternative to “Western” globalization. If you do not understand that the BRICS are part of the NWO, not opposed to it, then you do not understand a thing.
With the BRICS on board with the plan for global currency, what is likely to happen over the course of the next few years if the schedule for an economic reset is on track for 2018?
As I outlined in my last article, the U.S. in particular has been prepped like a sacrificial lamb, with the populace for the most part oblivious to the extent of the threat. Middle-class wealth is being driven into bonds and will be driven more so by market declines, which will progress over the next few months. This “herding” of capital into bonds is only in preparation for the death of the dollar’s world reserve status, thus erasing what little savings were left among the common citizenry.
The ceremony initiating our nation’s fiscal destruction will likely take place in the near term. To achieve global centralization by 2018, the elites would need a serious crisis soon in order to provide the proper collective panic required to generate public consent for global economic governance in four years’ time.
The first, most important factor to consider is the fake conflict between the IMF and the U.S. Congress over the approval of IMF policy changes agreed upon in 2010. The U.S. has yet to officially sign off on the IMF policy measures that would bring more “inclusiveness” for developing nations like Russia and China, and this has led the IMF to assert that a move forward without the U.S. is necessary. IMF head Christine Lagarde is now demanding that Congress pass the reforms of 2010; but with the election of a predominantly Republican government, those reforms have little or no chance of being approved.
Lagarde recently joked that she would be willing to "belly dance" to get IMF reforms passed (I would pass them just to avoid the gut churning image of that belly dance), but the joke will ultimately be on the U.S. as IMF heads suggest that if the current Congress does not pass reforms by the end of this year, they will be forced to apply a "Plan B". The details of this Plan B are not public.
It is now highly likely that the IMF will set policy WITHOUT the input of the U.S., as they have warned they would, crippling the assumptions by many that the IMF is somehow a “U.S.-owned institution.” It is actually the reverse; the IMF is setting the stage for ownership of the U.S. monetary structure, along with the Bank Of International Settlements, which appears to be the capstone of the NWO system.
The next IMF meeting on SDR inclusion is not set, but will probably take place in early 2015. It is expected that China and the Yuan will be officially added to the SDR basket. Gold should also be watched carefully. There is a reason why the BRICS have been accumulating thousands of tons of the precious metal. The IMF introduction of gold into the SDR basket is inevitable, and a new Bretton Woods style-agreement has already been called for by a number of elites.
The IMF has been openly discussing the ascension of the SDR to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency since at least 2011.
With developing nations already asking for help from the IMF due to volatility caused by the Fed taper and the BRICS well into their own programs to remove the dollar as the world reserve, the only question left is: How will the banks be able to accomplish the currency reset without taking blame for the resulting catastrophe that will no doubt bury the majority of middle-class and poor?
There is no way around it. The elites need a geopolitical disaster so overwhelming that all economic changes taking place in the background go completely unnoticed. They also need to set themselves up as the prognosticators and rescuing heroes in the midst of the coming chaos, as outlined in my last article.
I do not know what that disaster will specifically look like, because there are too many possibilities to consider. Think about this honestly, 10 years ago, would you or your friends and family have ever thought that the U.S. would be at war in Syria with a terrorist organization we created ourselves out of thin air? That we would be immersed in renewed tensions and the possibility of economic warfare with Russia? That our presidency would have attempted and failed the initiation of socialized healthcare? That our military would be tapped as a possible response force for domestic unrest? That an outbreak of Ebola would be suggested as a trigger for medical martial law?
How many conspiracies have been exposed in just the past few years? How many government crimes have hit the headlines and then disappeared? Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS targeting of activists, government-aided illegal immigration, etc. — a nonstop parade of corruption that few would have thought possible a decade ago. We are being boiled slowly, economically as well as politically. We are being conditioned to accept imminent crisis as a way of daily life, to become used to it and to blame these crises on hundreds of various scapegoats, but never the international banks.
And while the Titanic sinks, the band plays on, as mainstream pundits and dupes accuse independent analysts of “crying wolf.” The economic endgame is not about collapse alone. Collapse is nothing more than a process that ends abruptly only when public faith is finally lost. The endgame is about acceptance — the acceptance by the masses of a “new normal” in which financial and political terror become the foundation of daily life. The endgame is, first and foremost, about the psyche of mankind and its mutation into something unrecognizable. This kind of pervasive conditioning requires immeasurable fear. Our economic philosophy of sovereign trade and identity cannot be erased without it. The elites have already given us their timeline. The crash of 2008 was only the beginning of the program, and 2014-2015 looks to be the next stage. I have written hundreds of articles on how to prepare and diffuse the dangers of the impending reset, but the most important issue of all is that people understand the threat is at their doorstep. It’s not a few years off or a decade away; it’s here now. We are right in the middle of collapse, even if many cannot see it. Watch global developments carefully, as market volatility increases and international conflicts escalate. Time is up.
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People have more information available today than another time in human history...yet...they couldn't care less than any other time in human history.
they coundnt care less because things just keep muddling along. Just like the person who wrote thing post seems to think something is going to change sometime soon, I have some new for him: it isnt. nothing is going to change...
+1
The reason why nothing will change is because the species as a whole got used to believing that imaginary things (like credit scores) are real. You can't change generational culture acceptance of imaginary norms overnight.
The reason why nothing will change is because the US will prevent it unless IT alone controls the NWO. You really think that China and Russia will just sit back and watch as that happens?
The reason nothing will change is ...
because it is the same as it ever was.
Regards,
Cooter
The reason nothing will change is because after the collapse the people will again trade their new found freedom for security, which will start the cycle anew.
I really do not have any idea of what's going to change or not. So I have always been in favor of diversifying, especially holding gold, other precious metals, guns & ammo, etc. I would include Bitcoin as an acceptable asset (say up to 1% - 2% for those so inclined) to consider as well, which I own (less than 2%).
Recently I bought "The Ringer", a device from Fisch Instruments that taps a coin for its "ring", to help detect counterfeits vs. a real bullion coin. The Ringer works great!
I also bought a Platinum Eagle using Bitcoin.
Discussion, pictures and links:
"Bitcoin No. 10, "The Ringer" and Provident Metals"
http://goo.gl/GRGii3
"Throughout history, in most cases of economic collapse the societies in question believed they were financially invincible just before their disastrous fall."
Brandon, we are fine then, cause all of us who are looking, along with at least half who are not realize we are fucked.
/S for the other half
Yeah but when things DO change
THEY'LL CHANGE LIKE YOU NEVER COULD IMAGINE YOU MOOKS!
Like Nazi Germany for example.
Or the fall of the Roman Empire
It'll change alright...
With all due respect to Brandon Smith, Bull-fucking-shit on the whole one-world currency conspiracy theory. James Howard Kunstler is right, it's going to go in the opposite direction to more localized systems with localized control. Oh, there may be a new "Phoenix" currency managed by some international organization in Brussels or wherever but who is going to have any confidence in this new currency? No one, that's who. People will refuse to accept it. Black markets will spring up everywhere where barter and gold/silver will be the medium of exchange. The center will not hold. People will tune out the directives from the one-world government and will do their own thing.
A smaller scale test run of this one-world government/currency is the EU and the Euro. How is that going? Are the Euros peaceful and tranquil, accepting their lot in life under their new masters? They are not, and it's spiraling away from centralized control into separatism and nationalism.
I know that one-world stories are like red meat to the ZH readership, but again bull-fucking-shit on this ever coming to reality.
It all depends on the severity of the "ashes" and how the new currency is marketed. They screwed up in Europe because it was marketed as the solution to all ills during a period of relative calm. The rest is history. This time around, they may flip the scenario and lay it on thick.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying "Never say never".
Take a look at the EU and their Euro project. Do you really think that a larger version of this concept will be more successful? Basically the authors argument on this issue is this senecne:
"If you do not understand that the BRICS are part of the NWO, not opposed to it, then you do not understand a thing."
That's just an aphorism. The article is trying to make an impression but lacks substance, he might as well say if you don't agree with me you are stupid, lalalalala I can't hear you.
He misses out on completely on minor little details like, I don't know, China giving up a significant part of their sovereignty to some international organization? By extension the West and particularly the US, which the Chinese to a certain degree hold in total contempt having a say over what goes on in China? Russia being told what to do with their tax policy and gas export deals? Latin America returning back to the days it was run by the IMF?
So in conclusion all the issues above will go away and the BRICS will join the single world currency, which by the looks of things is something designed to keep the US(and the West) in, Russia out(but the gas keeps flowing) and China under(to buy Western fiat debt), because... wait for it : THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM. And will sacrifice their own sovereignty just to stick it to us and the US constitution. NWO nutcase.
And then we have this gem:"the IMF is setting the stage for ownership of the U.S. monetary structure, along with the Bank Of International Settlements". The US and pretty much any country the size of the US bitch slap the IMF and the BIS into orbit. The US will stick to the IMF and BIS line, as long as it is inline with what is perceived as US interest at the time. If the US pulls out of the IMF, the IMF is dead. If the Fed is nationalized, the BIS can go fuck itself. If our local breed of bankers tries anything, there is plenty of dirt on them, just a subtle mention of GTMO will keep them quiet, ether that or resurect the committee for unamerican activities with a new focus.
The article is just peddling the usual NWO nonsense which is more of a convenient distraction from the real issues than anything else.
I have to agree with this thread of people calling BS on this theory and I think the best evidence for that is the development of the BRICS bank as an alternative to the IMF...the guy could argue that this is plan B that Lagarde was talking about, but then you have to ask yourself do all of these central planners really trust each other?... I mean if you assume that the creation of the BRICS bank is simply a tool to bring the US on board that means they are already having problems with each other. Even if it is a group of people that are related to each other that rule the world it is well known how often family members were part of plots to remove family members from power....I think it is much more easier to rule over vassal states that think they are sovereign countries than from a centralized position where people no longer fear the threat of other countries taking invading them.
Just thinking out loud here, but a new global hegemon would need something better than what the US used to dominate the globe for the past 60 years. The US primarily used: the Petrodollar - Policy of Pre-emption - The Carrier Fleet - The Entertainment Industry. It's hard to summarize in a paragraph but militarily the world is now in constant conflict with irregular insurgencies (with the invasion of Kuwait being the last brief effective use of armour).
What does the author think the new tools will be to distract people into the continuous war needed to keep the NWO in control? If I saw the UN or similar pan-global group, corporation or alliance emerging with a special shared fleet of drones, satallites and other modern tools used to maintain disorder, I might believe it. Where is the muscle for this secret NWO?
You obviously don't understand how people operate mentally. They will accept a global currency if that currency is the only thing offering stability. That doesn't mean that the banksters will be sucessful in the long run, but never underestimate the power of fear and apathy. They got people to accept the Euro, right? You really think they won't be able to fool people into accepting a global currency? Please! That's not a bet a smart man would ever make.
They got people to accept the Euro by creating easy credit and artificially raising the standard of living in Europe through private and public debt. This was done shortly before and during the first years of the introduction of the Euro in order to create a false feeling of prosperity, to create the impression that the EU/EMU was a successful project and to a large extent to create apathy due to easy living. Now that the illusion is over, public opinion wants out of the Euro and the EU at an increasing rate. Hell, they even want out of their own fucking country, see Spain/Catalonia. Unless they find a way to create a sense of prosperity and an expectation of even greater prosperity with the introduction of a global currency, forget it. A financial crisis is always divisive, people tend to think more locally and become more isolationist and protectionist of their own affairs. It has always been like that all the way back to even before the Roman Empire.
You're not looking at the big picture. They call it "order out of chaos" for a reason. Collapse invites calls for unification, every time. You think the illusion is over? Not a chance. The banksters have been replacing one illusion with another for centuries. Why would anything change now? The strategy works over and over again. Global currency is just the next illusion lined up.
TPTB dont need the peoples consent- they do as they wish. With the MSM brainwashing the masses, its easier than ever. Just tell the people a majority in this or that poll support said legislation and get a bunch of talking heads in there pumping it up and voila, any resistance is diluted.
I think they're both at least partially right. I don't doubt for a second that there are people who are hell bent on global financial domination. The problem is that what they want is untenable, or if tenable, only for a short period of time. It won't work. When reality asserts itself on their plans, local will be the solution that arises. When they have to choose between fuel for teaching those who don't want to play along a lesson and producing and shipping enough food, clothing and other necessities to keep the tax donkeys alive and placid, they're going to have issues that they cannot deal with. Especially when there are fuckers like me who will tell somebody who is flummoxed on how to pay their food bill "ya know, you could rip out your lawn and plant a garden. I'll even give you some of the seeds." In the end, this is a matter of physics, and when physics meets finance, physics wins.
Keep your head low, until it's time to take some heads off.
Keep your head low until it's time to blow, has a better ring to it, don't chya think?
Spot on. Once peak oil is better understood by the masses, globalisation will be dead in the water. And just because Europeans accepted the Euro does not mean the entire planet will accept the Phoenix (or whatever) - humanity is simply just too diverse e.g. look at the lack of agreemet on religious beliefs.
Barry's a pitcher, Barry's a catcher, Barry's a fag.
The NWO's a fag.
Brandon is an idiot who can't distinguish pitcher from catcher and just calls them all fags.
Most governments (and most people) are for some "New World Order" particularly where their relative power is increased. Saying that they are all on the same "NWO" team is like saying Barry Obama and Brandon Smith are on the same team.
Your comment makes no sense. The 1% are the ones talking about "New World Order". They have identified themselves as being on the same team. Would you walk into a gay bar and claim that these men are NOT fags? It doesn't matter who's a "pitcher" or a "catcher". They all want to screw you over.
"A smaller scale test run of this one-world government/currency is the EU and the Euro. How is that going? Are the Euros peaceful and tranquil, accepting their lot in life under their new masters? They are not, and it's spiraling away from centralized control into separatism and nationalism."
I find it so funny that two clubs of small and medium countries that were founded in order to counter some aspects of a World Order of increasing globalization and dollar dominance... are seen as test runs for the very opposite
if the EU was for full spectrum globalized free trade, the UK would not have such difficulties in leaving the club. the UK does not leave the club because otherwise their access to the EU markets would decrease. the UK is in the club always trying to pull the common EU trade barriers down, for example with TTIP. why? because the UK is culturally more attuned to globalization, having been for a century the champion of the first globalization effort
if the EUR was a preparation for a global currency... damn, that's a very convuluted way to reach this goal. it would have been easier for all 18 currencies to have a peg to the Dollar and forget everything about it, including price stability. think about that: a great global reserve currency is stronger if all the others are small satellites
and don't get me into the "centralized control" of anything here in Europe. most of it is pure projection. a need to understand Europe as "something like the US", leading to continuos simplification, together with this strange UK and US view completely blinded to the conservative element of european politics
yes, both EU and ECB/eurozone are cooperation tools for sovereigns. yes, the principles could be expanded. no, not to the whole world. the critical reason for both of them is the giants on the world landscape, in particular the US and it's dollar, but also China
What an absolutely clueless commentary.
1. Yes, the EUR has been such a raging success hasn't it? Check today's exchange rate. It can't work and won't will and will eventually be rendered to the dustbin of history. So, perhaps not a very succesful experiment to use as support for a larger "World" currency?
2. The UK is perfectly capable of negotiating its own trade arrangements and has been doing so for centuries. WHEN the UK pulls out of the EU it will again be able to maintain its Commonwealth trade links in addition to negotiating its own alliances without having to worry about the clowns in Brussels. It will establish a Free Trade Agreement with The EU who will accept it because it exports more to The UK than it imports. It will also be able to make its own laws again and retrieve its National sovereignty. The people of Europe don't want a United States of Europe and they don't want Brussels. What they want is a Free Trade area of sovereign States, each with its own National language and culture. Of course, the people of Europe are never consulted on what they actually want because the unelected assholes in Brussels don't care what the people want.
3. How could anyone be so totally fucking stupid as to support TTIP? TTIP amounts to fascism dressed up as free trade in which Corporations will gain power over Governments and laws of Sovereign States. The Asians have, fortunately seen right through TPP (The Asia-Pacific equivalent) and fortunately several EU States have also seen through it don't want to be screwed by The US again. Incidentally, Cameron supports TTIP because many UK MNC's would benefit from being able override national soverienties and national laws with Corporate regulations. Also because Washington told him to!!
You must be either a complete moron or a complete EU insider in Brussels (Much the same thing actually) to even suggest such crap.
philipat, you made me laugh, hard
1. what has the success or not success of the EUR to do with this constant rumour it is supposed to be "a dry run for a single world currency"? further, are you familiar with "bad money drives good money away"?
2. yes, it will probably establish a Trade Agreement. But a Free Trade Agreement? Forget it. yes, what Britons wanted and still want is a Free Trade Area. That was what I was explaining, Britons would want the whole world to be a Free Trade Area. But then, there are those pesky continentals, aren't there? And remember the financial services
3. Ask Mr. Cameron, who, together with Mr. Obama, is the big champion of TTIP, as you yourself are writing. So you are for Free Trade... without realizing that today's corporations mean things like TTIP with the term? This IS Free Trade, today, and this IS what Britons, when asked, without any further thought... spontanously approve of
before you call other people clueless morons, read a bit more carefully. And again, Peoples of Europe, plural. Some of them were asked, some weren't, depending from their politics
all in all your answer is exactly what I rail about. in theory, we want the same things, including the UK to leave the EU. But for some British reason, you can't even read somebody else's different point of view without immediately starting to shout about sovereignty, big bad Brussels, and of course Free Trade Is Good, and if something is not good about it, then it's not proper free trade. Meanwhile you think the continent owes you
You have circumnavigated the issues. As usual.
1. Which "Peoples" of Europre were consulted? I can think of 2 (Two) both of which were against. And if a politically centralised Europe were so popular, why did the last European elections return so many "Eurosceptic" MEP's. I stand by my earlier statement that the "Peoples" of Europe DON'T WANT political and fiscal union, and they don't want an EU anthem or flag. They want an EU to be, as was originally voted for, a Free Trade area with sovereign member states, each with their own individual legal system, language and culture. Only the Europrats in Brussels don't (Want) to see this.
2.You have a truly convoluted Agenda on Trade. Yes, I believe in Free Trade BUT NOT in TTIP because it is NOT free trade, it is fascism. It is, however, and which you completely ignore, quite possible to have free trade without destroying National sovereigny. Both within the EU and without.
3. The EU WILL execute a Free Trade Agreement with the UK, just as it did with Switzerland. And that will be because it will be in the best interests of the EU itself. The EU exports more the the UK than it imports. Shit, if you Brussels types carry on like this, Germany will soon have nobody left to export their cars to, especially after you have licked the US ass over Ukraine and Russian sanctions. Perhaps Germany will the next to leave after The UK?
4. You still seem to believe that the Euro is a hugely succesful experiment which justifies the move to a new world currency. Such a currency would fail for exactly the same reason the EUR has failed. Ask the people of Greece, or Spain, or Porrtugal or Italy (Or even Germany for that matter) what THEY think about the Euro?
You talk absolute Bulls Hit!!
PS. The up/down arrows are against you!!
Ghordo -
Normally, you are on point, even though you and I disagree re; the EU and EMZ. But this is a load of rubbish.
The EUR is, as the article says, an expirment, to see how hooking totally different nations together under one fiscal policy that should never share a currency, such as Germany and Italy. If they can force the EUR to work with such disparities between the members (Finland #3 in the world, Greece #91) then they can force North America to share a currency, Asia to share a currency, South America to share a currency, etc., etc.,
The EUR is a perfect expirment to that of a global currency. To think that the EUR is there to counter dollar dominance within the framework of ever increasing globalization, then ask yourself;
- Why did the EU entre into a Free Trade Zone agreement with the US if the EUR is there to fight dollar dominate and the competetative advantage it gives the US.
- You talk about a peg to the USD, but this was tried in EUR. My least favorite fascist (Soros) made a ton of money when the UK left the DM peg. It didn't work back then -- why would it work now?
Lastly, you talk about the EUR being cooperation tools for sovereigns, but ask yourself, how is some countries tying themselves to much weaker ones making the stronger countries stronger? Logically it makes no sense, unless you are simply talking about quantity and not quality. But the EURO is so vulnerable right now, due to debt structuring, Greece, elss than 2% of EMZ GDP and less than .5% of world GDP could bankrupt ALL of Western Europe. How is this strength, for competeing against the US and China?
I think if you ride yourself of the "the EU and the EMZ are good things" mentality, and start to think locally again, you'll really see what a farce the "European Project" is.
House, seriously, sometimes I think the French are right and there is something about English as a human brain operating system that somehow supports humour, creativity, witticism and many other wonderful things... on the expense of logic
I have one perfect example of what is the difference between the EUR and the dollar dominance on the previous 18 currencies: FX Reserves
but for some reasons, whenever I mention FX reserves, any monetary discussion on ZH just stops. In short, the 18 NCB bought boatloads of USTs, yes, needed boatloads of USDs whenever they were under - and here comes another very continental word, used of course also by the Russians - speculative attack
Putin himself, through the Russian National Bank, is in dire need of dollars, and the Rouble is under speculative attack. ding, ding
and again, you are thinking like an American: fight! fight! there are many ways to skin a cat
no, you are wrong. the Free Trade Zone Agreement? between US and EU? TTIP is still in discussion, and an abortive one
no, you are wrong. the EUR was never in a peg to the USD. further, a peg between of the EUR to the USD would be easier, but not be price stability, another word that in English seems to become meaningless. A hint, there: it's about entrepreneurial price calculation, first, and shopping basket prices, second. Both are important, though
yes, Soros attacked the Pound's peg to the DM. someday I have to write an article about that. so? just more evidence of speculative attacks. and by now you should know that Soros is not a fascist, he is a very good representative of that kind of liberalism that fascists hate. He is a financial oligarch of the exact kind against which Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, etc. spoke against. You live in Germany, you should know what classical fascism means, or learn about, otherwise you'll always be misunderstood, there
if you would stop thinking that I think that "the EU and EMZ are good things" and notice that I am interested in facts, we would have a more constructive conversation. What I rail about here on ZH is that whenever it's about the EUR or the EU, it's all emotion, supposition and nearly no facts
again, the original comment above to which I replied was in the theme of "the EUR and the EU are global currency and global government dry runs". Do you believe that?
someday I have to write an article about that.
Fucking knew you were a Tyler.
That being said -
I never said the EUR was a peg to the USD. You misread what I wrote (can't blame you -- my typing skillz there were horrible). I said that pegging the EUR to the USD would be a disaster, as the peg to the DM didn't work, your hypothetical "instead of a EUR for price stability one could have pegged 18 to the USD for price stability" is not feasible. But I am pretty sure we agree on this. I am just trying to highlight to you that your hypothetical peg would have worked just as well as the DM peg did back in the day.
And while FX reserves are important for larger nations, there is something called systemic financial shock. Lets assume for a second the EUR didn't exist. Everyone had their own currencies. Little Greece has FX reserves, but not a ton. Something about Greek government failure crosses Bloomberg -- and the Drachma comes under speculative attack. The Bank of Greece liquidates it FX reserves to defend the Drachma, but high finance has more money than Greece, and alas, the FX reserves are depleted and Greece goes bankrupt. Without the EUR -- Greece gets Wiped out, but for the most part -- the rest of the world carries on as normal. However, now that you have a single currency within the EMZ -- all the 18 still buy boatloads of USTs (Belgium, cough cough) but now -- if one member states, OR THE CURRENCY, comes under speculative attack like Spain and Italy were in 2012 -- all the FX in reserve won't save these nations from one another'S contagion. Systemic Shock. So before the EUR -- FX reserves were relevant for larger nations who could really purchase boatloads of them to go toe-to-toe with high finance in London, Frankfurt and New York. The smaller countries -- meh, still important, but not as important. Now you have everyone exposed to everyone else's risk through debt structuring within the EMZ. So while I am sure many people quit talking about FX when the topic comes up because they know nothing about it -- some, including myself don't really see the point of dialogue about FX reserves when it comes to the the EMZ. If you want to wipe out the EUR in a speculative attack, you needn't target the currency, wipe out a half dozen small to medium sized Greek banks, and book your profits.
While you may think the FTA is abortive in nature, unless you have inside info we don't -- this is just speculation on your part.
To answer your last question -- yes. I believe in the idea by the power broakers the world over for a "ever closer integration" of peoples, languages and cultures. To do this, one has to integrate money. I see other common currencies popping into existance when the next currency crisis erupts to replace the USD as it gives up the ghost and wipes out the entire world. So while you are correct, and the EUR makes unimportant countries feel important again -- and this goes in the face of "unification to a one world currency" just imagine how imporant these little countries will feel when they have a seat at a 186 person table, and their vote counts just as much as Japans or the USA's?
oh, don't write that. I'm really not a Tyler, I just play with the idea of sending them an article or two. of course I don't know if they would post them
I have to hurry away, so I can't answer to you, today. but I'm happy I got you thinking about FX reserves. cheerio and have fun
(the EU and the EUR) being a "...cooperation tools for sovereigns, but ask yourself, how is some countries tying themselves to much weaker ones making the stronger countries stronger?"
Germany itself is a federation of small semi-sovereigns. some of them way weaker then the others
further, I should highlight that the "small country" supporting alliances through various clubs is endemic, in europe. Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Ireland, Portugal, Finland, Denmark, Greece, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Austria, Bulgaria, for example
for some reasons you think about Germany as if it was on an island. the motherland of Anglo-Saxon thinking is on an island, and the US is for all purposes nearly an island
the very core of continental european thought since ever is in the opposite direction. your spontaneuos insularity when thinking about countries is part of your culture, not ours
we can't choose our neighbours by changing shipping lane patterns
The idea that the "European" thought process is for every closer unions/alliances, etc., etc,. with one another is laughable.
Biggest political party in France? Nf
Biggest political part in Italy? *****
UK - UKIP
Spain? That Sorita or whatever it is called movement.
See Ghordo, you can talk about how "European" it is to want one big happy European Family on the continent, and those dirty Inselaffen try and destroy it, but when you talk like this -- you are looking at 21st Century Europe from a very 1948 mentality.
Define "our" culture. See, this is the problem with you people in Brussels, you engage in egregious double-speak. You talk to other peopels about the peoples of Europe, then talk to me about "our" (singular) culture. You can see why I think this is a tad dishonest of you.
a small tidbit that might explain a bit why small countries feel more confortable in the EU and in the eurozone:
remember Timmah? The powerful US Secretary of Treasury? Here I pasted some of his thoughts on the euro crisis in 2011, which I repeat here:
"They turn to me in their meeting, they ask me for my views, my normal views which you’ll find boringly familiar at this point, and a bunch of their ministers go walk out afterwards and say: “Who’s Geithner to tell us what to do?” Very disparaging, like quite disrespectful from their peripheral ministers. And the fucking New York Times writes a story – I can’t remember who wrote the story – somebody at the Times wrote a story that I came home to see at that point, or maybe it was after that, just like a really brutal story: end of American influence, [garbled] lack of influence of American officials, using anecdotes of that meeting for that. That wasn’t so great.""
note his "peripheral ministers". That's european finance ministers - representing their governments, a product of their elected parliaments which can hot-swap them at will - being called "peripheral". That's small countries. Ganging up, if you want. On the great Timmy
Do you really think they would even meet the US Secretary of Treasury if they were not in a monetary club of the size of the eurozone? Do you really think that American or Chinese influence on such small countries would be smaller if they were staying put as simple little countries with no attachment to anything?
Really, I find it amazing. In the US own history, the thirteen colonies ganged up so that they would not be the playball of the Great Powers, which at that time were Spain, France and England
In Greek history, the very kernel of "European" was founded by sovereign countries having an alliance against Persia, the Great East
but no, if europeans "do it" now, it's all part of a "World Gov Dry Run" coupled with a "World Common Currency"
Various American Treasury Secretaries have been meeting with German, British, French and Swiss finance ministers since -- well, forever. Sure they never gave Spain or Italy the time of day, nor did Greece ever get a visit, but what do the stronger countries get for making the smaller countries feel important?
do you really think it's about feeling important? and it's a lot of small countries, in case you did not notice
We are in the most precarious position of any empire in any era. It is our level of sophistication and technology that threatens us. When the Goths sacked Rome, the remnant could hide in the woods with a few chickens and ride out the storm. Today if you turn out the lights in Miami, the starving hordes will tear Florida apart. Western civilization is too complex and consequently too fragile to maintain any kind of world order in a collapse. Even in the thirties, a significant portion of the population still lived on the farm. They could still walk out in the back yard and find an egg or pull up a turnip. In a collapse, chaos will consume the master planners right along with the lowly sheep.
Cloud9.5 - Collapse would make the population totally dependent on government. We have a lot of trains, wheat pasta and yellow cheese. No one will starve and I think power will be rationed but it will be enough. I dont think you'll see hoards of zombies but the crime rate will go up even with curfews and martial law.
Luxuries will be in short supply. Have some on hand to keep yourself from boredom and to trade.
Hey Elvis, I would love to agree with you but the unwashed sheeple will be looking for leaders with answers when things go bad. The new leader will be pushed by the MSM who will be pushing the NWO: Hazza! Hail the Peace Maker who keeps the wolf at bay.
THEN, after a period of time they find the lies no longer keep the wolf at bay, then, and only then, will gold and silver rule and your scenario will come into play. Then and only then, will we have peace and prosperity. Of course it goes without saying that the banksters heads, govt. heads, and their toadies heads, will be used as soccer balls during this period.
Ya, I've been telling people for years, Skateboarder, one might consider not placing a credit score at the top of your list of priorities. If one steps back, and takes a hard look, you start to see that its quite imaginary.
In your world it can't, because soon as it does you get to singing the blues and going back to old bad habits to get over it. I think we can get another year before the hard stuff hits.
You aren't paying attention then.
Brandon is spot on. Something very big has to happen soon.
The only obsactle I see to their plans is the MIC.
Even if they get their way I don't see it lasting more than 15 years or so.
Greenskeeper-Carl - I believe you are incorrect and that Brandon is right when he speculates about a massive false flag coming our way. This will end the the brand of Uncle Sam, the USA will use this to restructure debt and unfunded liabilities especially in healthcare.
I don't know what the false flag will be but I imagine a very disruptive period of three months. More than that would permanently damage the economy which does not serve the interests of the CFR or BIS that have productive investments in America.
I hedge for this event including luxuries like cheap booze and cigs to barter for people's gold jewelry or other sin luxuries. I like gold and real estate as financial hedges because once America 2.0 happens new currency will be issued which is bound to be worth less, maybe 30% less and that is how the savers in former dollars will get robbed.
"This suckers going down!" - GW Bush
Excellent observation.
don't be a dipshit, ofcourse I care !!
Lone
People can only understand the things they notice. They have heard of the DOW and the S&P but most don't know how the monetary system is supposed to work so they can't tell if it is failing. I don't think it is not caring, it is a lack of awareness and a betrayal by the government.
In a society that forces us to specialize,we give governments the special task of ruling. Too often those who rule see the lack of attention as a signal to cheat. We don't pay attention unless we have a particular interest. We really don't know how sausage is made either but it gets eaten. Trust in the politician and the sausage maker is given. When it is betrayed we see the kind of thing like we saw yesterday with the guy chastising the public for being gullible about Obamacare, when in fact it was made to be confusing. Betrayal, not ignorance.
It does not make things better but I believe that is the root problem.
I hate to be the cynic ... but ... why are cows worth so much money?
Because they taste like beef!
Regards,
Cooter
It's also the case that Huxley was right – the masses are easily pacified by SOMA, and until the (increasing) pain overrides that form of pleasure, you can expect the lack of awareness to dominate.
Well, we do have a lot of information and they don't care...but they also are some of the most drugged people in history. Anti-depressants, anti-ADD and the ever present TeeVee drug have them in a stupor most of the time.
They haven't caught on that being a wage slave so you can buy more useless crap, then work some more to pay for a storage unit to store the binge shopping shit in still doesn't make them happy. Maybe there's a problem that lies deeper in the core of this system?
The digital Information Age makes facts available, but unfortunately does not always lead the lumpenproletariat to wisdom and understanding. The eyes of the world are on America, but the eyes of America are watching television.
Yea, fuck it...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXgcpOchog
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah...Blah, Blah, Blah.....
Have you seen Kim Kardashian's ass? It's fucking HUGE!!!
These control freaks schemes have worked out so well in Europe; I'm sur eits just what the world needs /s
'People have more information available today than another time in human history...yet.' i have explained to my friends & family the scam & swindle that is afoot, explained it til i'm blue in the face / no one believes me. why? because "you can't believe everything you read on the internet." til i'm blue in the face, i have begged them to get out of the banking system, hold cash, metal & xtra foodstuffs; i'm a conspiracy theorist; so sad, some people will lose everything. i tell them it's a deliberate swindle, a wealth transfer sanctioned by Washington politicians; i'm laughed at.
Most people are tired of being flogged with disinformation (propaganda) and have given up. For most, it its a pointless exercise to try to winnow the truth.
Most of my friends tell me this: So what if you are right - how does that help me. They continue to wallow in the stock market and hope for the best. And, these are people with medical and other advanced degrees who are intelligent. Like all of us: They just want to be left alone by Government and get on with their lives.
Who's the fucking Californian going to Vermont?
I drove through it, spent some cash into the local economy, and went into Canada.
I suspect these glorious fantasies of one world government and one world currency are not going to take place nearly as quickly nor in as straight a line as their designers predict.
Coming from a glorified former U.S. politician.
This. I assign a higher probability to the Eurozone falling apart between now and 2018 than I do the IMF being accepted as the NWO's monetary red carpet.
All the problems of the EU on a global scale. They can try but by the time the dust settles nobody is going to trust anybody on a large scale and no matter how much money they think they'll have, they lack the needed force majure to make it work.
This is somewhat unrelated, but I had to vent on a forum where sanity resides:
Thomas Duncan's family reaches settlement with hospital
Nov 12, 2014 5:16 PM
myfoxdfw.com
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/27359715/thomas-duncans-family-expected-to...
Thomas Duncan reportedly lied to airport screener(s) before he flew into the US and introduced the Ebola virus into the US. His medical care generated a huge bill, and two nurses in Dallas contracted the virus from him. After his demise from the disease he contracted overseas and broght here, his family sued Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital (apparently for negligence), and they were just awarded a settlement (the dollar amount was undisclosed). It was also reported on local news that the Duncan family will not be responsible for the extensive medical bill resulting from his care. Further, it I being reported that the family is "seeking a book or movie deal about their ordeal"... Wow.
So, in summary, you can catch a deadly disease, lie to screener(s), fly to the US, rack up a massive medical bill, and if you die, your family can sue the hospital that treated you, receive a settlement, and ask for a book or movie ordeal. In light of this development, how long before illegals pouring into the southern border of the US start suing US hospitals if they don't get exactly the treatment they want...
This is so FUBAR...
So why did the hospital settle and not defend itself, and which government entity is requiring someone to give them a book or movie deal? What you say sounds shitty and I would personally not settle that case if were making the call, nor would I buy their book, but so what?
I live in Texas, and I just heard on the local news that the hospital where Duncan was treated will absorb the medical bill from his treatment and pay out a "generous" settlement to Duncan's family in the US. This settlement apparently was in lieu of going to court and the hospital standing trial for "medical malpractice". I don't know why the hospital felt it couldn't adequately defend itself in court, but that is what was reported.
The Duncan family is apparently seeking a book or movie deal themselves. The settlement did not guarantee they will get one, but the fact that they want a deal on top of what they just got... is galling to me.
I need a seriously stiff drink right about now...
Don't be galled, this is what America has become.
Illegals already get free schooling and medical care.
Illegals get in-State tuition, where an out-of-state American has to pay a 60% premium.
The lawyers would have had a field day with the Hospital, because Duncan showed up there with a fever, told them he had come from an Ebola infected area, yet was sent home by the hospital.
Doesn't matter if he lied to get in here, doesn't matter if he is an illegal alien; the lawyers would have gotten more out of the hospital in a court case versus the settlement.
Common sense and the rule-of-law are dead; all hail the kleptoligarchy!
All hail the New Rome!
In summary: FUBAR
I have now been a member on ZH for 4+ years, and I can't believe how FUBAR the world seems to have become since then. We seem to be hurtling toward a massive brick wall. A big-ass SPLAT awaits...
fuck me...
When all this gets written about, you wont be able to count the number of planes full of sick African Negros, all heading for the US of A.
It is galling. But then again, Duncan is dead so he got his. And I wonder how much the hospital cost in public funds by sending Duncan home the first time because he didn't have insurance. Not to mention ZH bandwith telling us all were were going to die because of Ebola. And I'll bet those two nurses who caught Ebola are really happy the hospital waited to admit him until he was bleeding out of his eyeballs and highly contagious. There's a lot to be pissed off about.
"There's a lot to be pissed off about."
Yes, there is. Aside from Duncan's case but in a similar vein, I just learned my health insurance premiums (BlueCrossBlueShield) will go up 12.55% on January 1, 2015. That is on top of a 9.7% increase on January 1, 2014 from the previous year. I pay for my own insurance, and I have never filed a single claim on this policy, yet I get double-digit (average) premium increases. I wonder what surprise awaits in 2016...
How could your health insurance go up in Texas where they passed tort reform several years ago that was promised to lower insurance premiums in exchange for limiting private rights to seek compensation for medical negligence? That's weird. And I'm sure you know it did not go up consistently every year for the last several decades, so there must be some new reason why it went up.
I retired about 5+ years ago, but I am not yet of age to file for Social Security. I purchased an individual health insurance plan through BCBSTX. My premiums have gone up every single year without exception, and the last several increases have averaged more than 10%. I have never filed a claim and I have no known illnesses or disabilities. However, I might have a conniption fit if I keep getting these premium increases.
Crazy. It's almost like the insurance companies get to have their cake (higher premiums) and eat it too (mandatory insurance with crappier benefits via Obamacare, and tort reform to prevent lawsuits via the GOP).
This is a decent article explaining how big insurers are the big winners via Obamacare:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/2014/09/16/big-health-insurance-ob...
excerpt:
"Very few industries in bed with Obamacare come off smelling like a rose. But if one had to pick a bad actor above all others, it would probably be Big Health Insurance."
Hats off to the oligarchs. They got us coming and going. Tails they win, Heads we lose.
John Law lived but only for a while after sneaking out of Paris dressed as a woman. He died in poverty a few years later. First big fiat failure.
The French tried again 7 years later. Asignats, mandats...took a while to improve the system. It is still being improved but sure is not perfect.
John Law Lives
Reagan, knowingly, created the biggest unfunded, and costly (universal health care) mandate in America history
Obama care is just a byproduct of it. A byproduct of an illusion, because the Private US healthcare is the disease.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
We're living in a freakin utopia. It's never been better
Hey, I have some black tulip bulbs to sell.
Send $500K to my P.O. Box and I'll ship them to you air mail.
I swear, I promise, you'll be rich! I also have some magic beans that will grow to the sky!
Hurry! This is a limited time offer!
And while the Titanic sinks, the band plays on,
Can you Imagine the carnage of once great cities of the US.
The death and destruction the global elitests are bringing in the name of NWO are sure to be on a massive scale. Just look at what these megalomaniacs have already achieved.
GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN.
Writing is on the wall for the US dollar.
The IMF is getting SDRs ready.
In the meantime the Federal Reserve's balance sheet keeps increasing.
The SRDs could only work with global acceptance. The can be forced upon the citizens of one country but not on the whole world.
I wish that were true, but all it takes is the right people in the right knob gobbling places (yeah I'm looking at you Harper) and what a country wants is irrelevant. All that will counter the IMF is BRICs
When the dollar tanks the IMF will go with it. the idea that a system run by the IMF might be embraced after collapse does not seem likely.
A single world currency is also unlikely. governments use currencies to regulate the local economy. A single currency has already shown it's problems as we see in the EZ.
Finally if we do have a single world currency, it would not be a cause for alarm as long as it was to function only as a medium of exchange. If gold is the store of value (physical) then the temptation to inflate the currency would be decreased as 'saving' it the way they getcha. When large numbers hoard large amounts of currency then a lot more can be printed without inflation showing up until very late in the game.
I really believe the world has had it with the 'reserve currency' experience. It has been bad for the world and has cost the USA dearly too.
THE SKY IS FALLING !
jeeeez, so the dollar rolls over and another currency takes its place.... how many thousands of times has this happened in history ...
sky isn't falling, just a pile of green paper will be just green paper
just relax and spread your cheeks
A rather lengthy but very interesting article.. Lots of fat to chew on. Good job sir. Milestones
Not gonna happen.
Globalization and the NWO has had its run and is now being relegated to the dustbin of history. People cannot identify with those that are not 'like' them. Americans, though seemingly diverse in culture, are after all is said and done, Americans. We can't identify with Europeans, Asians, Africans or any other cultural/social group that progressives attempt to parade in front of us as exemplars. And the same applies to other cultural groups, in reverse.
Just when the progressives thought they had it in the bag, poof, it's over. Good riddance.
Thats called group sociopathy.
Tell me anyone did any of those bastards JM Keynes, Fisher, McNeel etc end up in jail, fall from public grace or commit suicide OR did they carry on regardless with their after dinner public/private engagements, write landmark textbooks siting how they called the depression?
Have bastards like Krugman got fuck all to lose?
The house is on fire. Does it really matter who lit the match?
Priority is to leave through the nearest exit....
I don't believe that SDRs have a chance in hell of becoming a global reserve currency, or that global governance will ever be anything more than a theoretician's pipe dream.
This would mean total control by the IMF over member nations as they beg and plead for more capital under the global currency umbrella.
Simple solution to that. Get rid of the government that borrows money to exist and is mostly if not entirely redundant.
WE HAD A WORLD CURRENCY, it was called the USD.
The bankers destroyed it with fraud.
I guess they did us a favor.
Always wondered how this would go down. Half the reason for being here for so many years in different skins has at the heart been the knowledge the descriptions and on the spot explanations of the crash would come here on the new chartered cyber Lodge ZH. Like, exactly, how would it look considering there are 360 degrees on the compass to go into?
The whole crashing shebang still has not had enough conscious beings in the places of power to put a stop to the overwhelming point blank in your face corruption, and criminality. Not a single soul has stood up to the plate to actually throw a monkey wrench into the beastly ugly grotesque rothschonian quagmire of the money god. Who wants to be the first to die, is the question now. Forget the future after any kind of n/b/c exchange.
It could all be so easy to simply love and not hate. To love and not kill. To love and not prosper from the suffrage of a worlds people. Everybody in the world can get along, as long as there are no moar task masters running these puppets all around and using the useless idiots to instigate moar war. There really is plenty to share and every soul can be satiated with all they need to live prosperous and happy lives.
That is true. The questions is, what are you gonna do? The store has not been stocked in three years and there is no traffic on the roads. Where are you?
"Throughout history, in most cases of economic collapse the societies in question believed they were financially invincible just before their disastrous fall."
Maybe in the past, but for the perpetrators of, and those paying attention, the coming collapse is as predictable as the breaking of a dropped egg.
It's the timing and the number of guillotines that is hard to predict.
An American, not US subject.
Does this mean that Greece is going to default?
Fuck the IMF.
What a progressive wet dream the IMF funding structure is. The dumfuck US.govers provide the IMF with 21% of their budget, but only get a 16% vote contribution. That's about right, a negative 25% .gov inefficiency factor. Our .gov touches a budget, and instantly 25% is gone, with ZERO efficiency. At least with a gasoline engine, you generate some heat. Fuck the US government.
Reading these sorts of articles, I'm always temprted to ask what would be so bad about a US default? Trillions of ill-gotten gains go poof. Waah. The Chinese Communist Party's joint 401k disappears. Big waah. Gangsters and politicians and numbered bank account holders everywhere get the purple shaft. Really big waah.
The country would still be intact and could start operating on a new, hopefully specie-backed currency. Without the interest on the national debt, the books could probably be balanced without too much fuss.
Tear up everybody's mortgage, car loans, credit card balances and student loans and get this country moving again.
We'd still have aerial supremacy worldwide, a vast nuclear arsenal, the world's only blue water navy, the baddest veteran land force around, and vast western gold and silver mines just itching to be put back to use.
Smells more like an opportunity than a disaster. Of course I put my money into land and stuff rather than paper assets. I might feel differently about it if I'd done otherwise. But still...
We'd still have aerial supremacy worldwide, a vast nuclear arsenal, the world's only blue water navy, the baddest veteran land force around, and vast western gold and silver mines just itching to be put back to use.
Not to mention the most armed to the teeth genpop the world has ever seen....and I'm not talking about bows/arrows and spears
"Return of the G2: Can US and China run the world?"
Big Question: The US and China have been able to agree on a host of measures in Beijing this week. What does this mean for the world?
The G2 is back. Curbs in greenhouse gas emissions, notification of military activities and trade in IT products are just three of the many different areas where the US and China have agreed to work together.
More broadly, the surprisingly warm summit between presidents Barack Obama and Xi Jinping has the potential to develop into Sino-American joint leadership at the global level.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11226098/Return-of-...
I called 2016 likee years ago.
mark my words, again.
2016 is the year when the basket holding the shit-bomb unravels.
All the banks throughout the entire world will eventually implode under the weight of the $1.5 quadrillion dollar dark pool derivatives universe. Mathematically, one cannot simply reset $1.5 quadrillion dollars worth of deals. All the TBTF banks will be toppled by mid March 2015. The entire global banking system will be forced into implosion by the domino effect
cascading through the system until all the banks shut their doors. The IMF
'one world government' reset will not have a chance to manifest and the MIC will start their programme of genocide on the American population.
Weaponized Ebola and medical martial law will be enacted to curb mobility and rights. I suspect that the next SUPERBOWL will yield false flag disaster
to instill mass fear and PSYOPS campaigns of terror on the American people. What is obvious in terms of the calculus is that 'we the people' are going to be the primary target of the American MIC. The clock is already ticking on the time that the MIC has to work with before their final seige begins. Preparations have been in place for years now and we can assume that they are ready to finish staffing FEMA camps and then begin the mass genocide.
So is that the reason we have open borders, to take out even more people? Bombs would almost be cleaner.....
The new currency will be electronic. They have mandated Gps and tracking boxes on all cars. They have mandated tracking chips on all credit cards. They are phasing out paper and coin currency. They will know every penny you earn. They will know every purchase you make. They will know everywhere you went. They will be able to tax and take from you what they want because it is electronic. They will be able to shut off your money if you do not comply. They will be able to shut off your tranportation if you do not comply. The future won't be about which paper curency rules the day or if it is gold "backed", it is about you. You being tagged and tracked like a farm animal, who will get an electronic taze(shut down) if you do not obey.
Exactly. Western media are nothing but Digital Book Burners hiding truth and chanting elite mantras. Nothing but a cloaking device.
A stepping stone to a global currency would be the Euro.
The Euro is a disaster.
After many years of effort, the elites are no closer to making a single currency work for a group of European nations.
A global currency, you are having a laugh.
No elites have ever been clever enough to get the economy of a single nation state working well for any lenghth of time.
A global Government, you are having a laugh.
Global currency and Government are the ideas of deluded elites who have no realisation at the level of their own incompetence.
15 Years ago I heard someone say we didn't need full war anymore and had eliminated financial cycles of boom & bust.
People really believed with the Petro Dollar, Federal Reserve, and a Western banking system we could fix these things and just have financial war if need be.
- Looks like 2 of 3 were a failure, but looks like we emerged into a Global banking system
- Consider Past Empires have faded, Roman Empire, French Empire, Spanish Empire, Dutch Empire
- Looks like they believe in a Banking Empire or some kind of Corporate Empires like a Conglomerate with Financial Power and Military & Police Power, like a Zaibatsu
Kissinger & Brzezinski creating an evolution to new kind of Empire
Ironically America was the country that enabled the NWO in the 1st place, but now it's the only country standing in it's path, thus needs to be destroyed.
Russia,China, etc. yes they are all for the NWO, maybe a slightly different version of it but a NWO with an unelected Central Government that has all the power over the Regional(formerly National) administrations. And don't be fooled by this "New Cold War" thing, it's all a ruse, it's there to justify more control and more false flags and Putin is probably very much in on it.
The world is far too tightly coupled with a financial system that is not fit for purpose.
In 2008, a collapse in a small sector of the US housing market (sub-prime) was blown up into a problem that nearly brought down the Western financial system.
A good financial system would contain problems like this locally, the appalling financial system we have, magnified up a small problem and distributed it around the world, the exact opposite of what is required in a global economy.
Now we gaze in fear around the world for any little domino that might bring the financial house of cards tumbling down again.
Also economics is a science that is still in the dark ages.
The vast majority of economists didn't see 2008 coming.
How are you going to run a global economy with economic thinking that is so flawed.
It is like trying to build a space shuttle with stone age technology.
With the financial and economic expertise available it is hardly surprising the Euro was a disaster.
Have any politicians ever run any nation state successfully for any length of time?
We have deluded elites who are totally detached from any insight into their own incompetence.
We can't run individual nations, predict major economic events or develop a stable financial system.
I know let's build a global economy.
Straight jackets please.
The endgame is, first and foremost, about the psyche of mankind and its mutation into something unrecognizable.
The psyche of mankind mutated into something insane long, long ago.
This mutation and insanity can be described in a number of ways. The essential insanity is a habituated inability to distinguish what is real from what is abstraction from what is outright fiction (non-existent).
In pattern, it goes like this. Look at a real tree. That tree exists. Now look at another nearby tree. That tree exists too. Repeat this a few dozen times with nearby trees, all of which exist. Now, does this "forest" (of real trees) exist? Answer: only as a mental unit in your head. All that exists are individual trees.
Those trees? They exist, each and every one you see.
Your "tree" mental unit? That mental unit exists, but is not a tree.
Your "forest" mental unit? That mental unit exists, but does not refer to anything except "trees" (hopefully real trees, but not always or necessarily).
Your "Santa Claus" mental unit? That mental unit exists, but does not refer to anything else that exists. Note that a large number of "old men with white beards" exist on earth. Note that "red suits" exist. Note that "reindeer" exist. Note that the "north pole" exists. Note that "toys" exist. But "Santa Claus" does not exist. Sorry to burst your bubble, kids? Don't cry, grow up. Learn to operate your brains in a coherent fashion.
How about your "government" mental unit? As always, the mental unit exists (it is a fully real "mental unit", a fully real configuration in your brain). However, like "Santa Claus", "government" does not exist.
Think about it.
Consider a pack of human predators. They lie, they cheat, they steal, they defraud, they threaten, they assault. What are they? A number of individual human beings who perform certain actions (lie, cheat, steal, defraud, threaten, assault, etc). This pack of predators tends to cooperate with each other, because they have found they all benefit when they coordinate their actions. This is true of any pack of human predators... whether they call themselves a "gang", "mafia", "bar association", "american medical association"... or "government".
After working with each other for some time, most packs of predators eventually assign themselves a name. When they do so, nothing pops into existence. Nothing in reality changes... except they perform a slight reconfiguration of their brain to add a "name" or "label" to their chosen comrads. It is simply another name for "us", albeit a bit more precise when in mixed company (specifies which "us" is referred-to).
But what exists? The exact same human predators who existed before they adopted a single name to refer-to "all of us predators".
And so... what? The human predators existed before, and still exist now. No change. A new name was added to their mental-unit that refered-to "us predators". But, that's all that name is... a name. And we know that because... nothing new popped into existence when these predators adopted their name.
So what? So this. When 20 or 30 humans meet in some city somewhere (say Philadelphia for example), and they smear ink on paper, including what they call "our signatures" at the bottom of the paper, nothing new pops into existence. Those humans existed before, and they continue to exist. The paper existed before, and continues to exist. The ink existed before, and continues to exist.
They did change the relationship and configuration of ink and paper somewhat, but nothing new popped into existence, and smearing that ink on paper did not result in any "emergent properties" either (for those who wish to attempt this silly argument).
The fact these 20 or 30 people adopt a name to refer-to the document they created does not create anything or change anything. That they call their documents "declaration of independence" or "constitution" changes nothing.
Now, if these 20 or 30 individuals wish to consider documents they signed to be "agreements" that "obligate them", that's fine, they may do so. But to imagine, even in our (or their) wildest dreams that their action to smear ink on paper somehow obligates or controls or applies-to [hundreds or thousands of] millions of other human beings on earth... is an astronomical leap of arrogance... and insanity.
For [hundreds or thousands of] millions of other human beings who did not sign those documents to even momentarily entertain the notion that they are obligated or controlled by those pieces of paper and smeared ink... is insanity of an almost incomprehensible magnitude... to any sentient being who is even slightly sane.
And yet, almost 100% of human beings on this planet not only entertain these kinds of notions momentarily, they make them central to their personal existence!
Any sentient alien being who looks down upon earth from an objective point of view can see with utter clarity that humans are terminally insane. To even momentarily fall for such extreme nonsense is a huge black mark on an individual. To embrace as fundamental to existence on earth is, well, far beyond any other instance of insanity this alien has ever witnessed on any planet in any galaxy within 4 billion light years! Yikes! This is quite a record! The most insane [seeming] sentient creatures in the universe. Wow!
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The solution for mankind is simple. Learn to be sane, and stop being insane. Simply learn to distinguish your mental-units from the reality they refer-to... and... always examine every mental-unit and the reality you live in to determine whether each mental-unit is non-fiction or fiction (that is, refers-to an existent, or not). Is or is not. To be, or not to be. These are indeed the questions that lead to sanity for sentient beings.
The predators-that-be for millennia have invested enormous quantities of time and effort to convince the masses of humans that fictions exist, and to habituate the masses to be utterly incapable of distinguishing what is real from what is fiction... what exists from what does not exist... what is from what is not.
I can already say, with only an infinitesimal chance of being wrong, that humans will not wake up, smell the reality, stop treating fiction as real, and act accordingly. The forces applied upon any moderately sane human being to intimidate them back to insanity are substantial. Only 1 in 1000 even tries. Only 1 in 1,000,000 pretty much "gets it". And only 1 in 100,000,000 or so make it their life mission to do something about it (at least become sane, and habituate sanity).
That is vastly insufficient to turn the tide. Which is why, 99.999999% of humans are finished, and quite possibly the 0.000001% of humans who are sane, will not be able to leave this planet of the apes, and find a sane, rational, happy life elsewhere in the cosmos.
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For those few who are sane, and want to find a way to create a sane, viable life for yourself, I can only say this. Locate and help one of the few collaborations of sane individuals working to escape this planet (only 1 to 3 of which have much chance). Or move to the extreme boonies and establish an out-of-sight, out-of-mind self-sufficient life for yourself far from the interference of any predators-that-be. Or both.
And children were meant to be seen, and NOT heard from, because they grow up to be problem adults.
Children grow up to be insane adults... because they don't live outside in the real world.
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Instead, they are brainwashed in 12~20 years of "education" to habituate the most fundamental form insanity possible --- an inability to distinguish "is from is-not", "real from fiction", "existent from non-existent".
Once kids are habituated to accepting blatant fiction as real and crucially important, they can be made to believe anything, defend anything, sanction anything, support anything, finance anything. Once they are so programmed, they are... well... adults. Which means, insane.
I remember at 4-5 years old I was being taught to line up, be quiet, and walk in single formation. This is the first lesson of US Schooling. Kindergarten is a German word from a military culture IMO.
- We left the agrarian culture to adopt military sense of time, timeliness, linear time, and perform repetitive functions for factories
- Public Education seems to have sprung from the Civil War experience, the need for compliant soldiers and workers
How do we control people:
- Courts, Laws, Rules, standards
- Authorities, Patriarchy, Matriarchy, Legislation
- Fear & Propaganda
- Control of Information & History
- Conditioning, Behaviorism
- Crisis Creation, False Flags, using Crisis to implement change
- Money, Inflation, Controlling Credit, Indebtedness, Fear of money insecurity & lack of success, Peer Pressure
Progress looks like this so far:
- Agrarian & Pagan
- Peonage
- Feudalism & Militarism
- Corporatism
- Peonage Again, Debt Serfs, Indentured Servants
In Feudalism three estates of the realm: the nobility, the clergy, and the peasantry bound by manorialism;
FYI – there is nothing militaristic about "kindergarten".
A kindergarten (German Kindergarten (help·info), literally children's garden) is a preschool educational approach traditionally based around playing, singing, practical activities such as drawing, and social interaction as part of the transition from home to school. The first such institutions were created in the late eighteenth century in Bavaria and Strasbourg to serve children both of whose parents worked out of the home.
Friedrich Wilhelm August Fröbel (or Froebel) (German pronunciation: [?f?i?d??ç ?v?lh?lm ?a???st ?f?ø?b?l]; April 21, 1782 – June 21, 1852) was a German pedagogue, a student of Pestalozzi who laid the foundation for modern education based on the recognition that children have unique needs and capabilities. He created the concept of the “kindergarten” and also coined the word now used in Germanand English. He also developed the educational toys known as Froebel Gifts.
Thanks Tinky. Well written.
I know we also exported US Education System to the Philippines. Today we may have more need of Montessori emphasis on creativity for ADD or ADHD type kids. I'm not sure about this, but seems we have more sensitive kids these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education
Reality doesn't give a shit about the stupid human ape and his fantasies. It just keeps rolling on towards extinction.
The effort it has taken me to wake 1 human up to reality has been enormous. 4 years and still counting. There is no chance that the majority will wake up. No matter what type of collapse may or may not occur, the majority will invent some fantasy so that they don't have to face reality.
Your insightful comment should give many pause to ponder. Instead many will read it and completely miss that it asks them to challenge their fundamental fantasies - their beliefs.
Yup, reality doesn't give a damn.
Then again, that doesn't matter.
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The sad part of your observation is... humans could be awesome, magnificent creatures, at very least in their accomplishments. By accepting, adopting and believing the blatant nonsense pushed by the predators-that-be, they have given up everything - themselves and their magnificent potential.
I guess the other sad part of your observation is... that what humans need to understand is very little. All they really have to do is remove all the BS jammed into their brains from the time they could understand language. If the got rid of all the trash, they could understand and cope with reality quite well, with much less effort, and with much better results.
PS: I haven't been able to "turn anyone around". I have found a few other sane humans over the years, but that's all. Seems like sane people take hold of their own consciousness, and refuse to let others program them. It doesn't seem to work to show people how they've been scammed, perhaps because they're too afraid what they may find in the real world. Personally, however, I love the real world. It is awesome.
It is written in the Vedic texts that it is in the third quarter of ones life that they are to go off into the forest to learn ... and only in the fourth, their last are they able to teach.
The world is a wonderful place. Just the management sucks.
Thanks. Yeah and we all have to play the game for the first half of life, schooling, working, relationships...
How far back do those oral histories go back? Is the Indus Valley the oldest seat of civilization or Mesopotamia or perhaps there were many that sprang up 12,000 years ago... even South America has traces almost this old.
If Modern Man is 200,000 years old I can't help but think we keep repeating the same mistakes and same cycles.
I do not know how old modern man is or how our physical bodies were created. There are credible stories, but not accepted by the mainstream. Our current knowledge of evolution gives about a 3 million year gap in credibility... from what we know of the pace of evolution.
The thing that differentiates the Indus Valley and Sumerian civilization from the rest is that they are the oldest civilizations that we have written records from, and in both of them, they talk about many things we do not believe in today, including: older civilizations than themselves and that the gods walked amongst them and taught them.
The writings also talk about those civilizations being linked through their god-leaders and battles they had between themselves.
Are the god-leaders allegorical? Where did they go? Do they still exist, if they ever existed? If only what we are taught in public school is correct, then how do we explain OOPARTS? In the older times, only the priests and leaders were literate and so their writings were only for the priests and leaders. The gods could remain hidden through the literacy barrier ... not so today, with such a large literate population. There would have to be other means.
Yes, there are differences in Religion and other questions are open, but I think the Sumerians were much like us. Kings are not that different maybe. And Waring States destroy culture, books, libraries, history.
Mesopotamia was situated on top of Bitumen & Tar, but not Mining Resources, ...It is said that Semitics at the time used Bitumen for Medicine and to Create Products like Synthetic Gems indicating a Sophisticated Civilization, Not only that but the laws were exactly like today including contract law, slavery, assets or property, and the worth of a person. I heard the words Alcohol, Bitumen, Kiln, Lacquer, and Naphta come from Sumer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
Ancient Sumer was based on Petroleum, just as Today is.
Nothing has changed, Wealthy, Educated, Elites know more about Technology & History than they "Teach" in the USA.
Groups have hooks, or hook people into group think.
We can't say groups are addictive. But people feel a flow, from being in sports, visiting a sports game, and being with their group. It must be like being in the flow.
Lots of our feelings of being in love with our friends or being in Rapport with our group... must be like this. We talk freely and spontaneously like with a new friend.
Personally when I put pressure on myself I get stuck in a groove which must be like the opposite.
Also the other poster talked about being a conduit for Invention... I related to that when I used to pick up a musical instrument and find a tune or invent a quick chord progression. Like being in the flow.
Groups must be very powerful tools for leaders and politicians... in controlling the people.
Humans are brainwashed to have a psychological and/or emotional need to live with or near other human beings. Without that brainwashing, probably some would still prefer to live with or near other human beings, while many others would prefer more peace, quiet and independence.
So maybe the term "addictive" isn't exactly correct in the usual technical sense of the term, since most people would say there is no chemical dependence.
Or is there? Do you not believe that human feelings and emotions are expressed as [electro]-chemical processes?
Consider two people who look through a microscope. One is a non-scientist and the other is a scientist... perhaps a biologist or doctor. They both see the same image.
The non-scientist may be bored by the experience, or perhaps think the patterns he saw were pretty.
The medical scientist realizes the patterns in the image he sees indicate his close friend or the spouse he loves has a fatal disease, and will suffer enormously for a couple months, then die horribly.
What happens?
The intellectual state of the first fellow doesn't cause much of any electro-chemical response, and so we say he did not experience any significant feelings or emotion.
The intellectual state of the second fellow causes him to gasp, experience terrible pain and dread, and perhaps even start crying.
What happened?
What each individual recognized caused electro-chemical responses in accordance with their personal values. One felt almost nothing but very mild enjoyment at the pretty patterns. The other felt like a 300 pound bully kicked him in the gut... only worse.
Why didn't the first fellow feel the dramatic effects, and the second fellow feel almost nothing? I hope this is obvious.
All the above is to show how intellectual recognition can and commonly does cause feelings and emotions. Note the "cause". This is not an identity, but a causal relationship that is consequence of the specific construction of human physicality (physiology).
Now... how does this illuminate our question about "addiction"? Can we say "humans are addicted to not experiencing extreme pain"? After all, why do drug addicts take drugs... even when they really, really, seriously, honestly want to quit? Answer: the pain they experience when they do not take the drugs.
Well, we can agree there may be a reason to be careful with the term "addiction", but do we believe that a human being can be brainwashed to feel dread, and even panic, and even severe pain at the mere thought of being extremely alone [for a long period of time]?
I remember very clearly that people who knew I was moving to places far from other human beings felt dread... for me. They weren't even going to experience the solitude I was looking forward to. Like that doctor in the example, who did not himself have any disease, they were suffering pain at the mere thought that I might not actually know what I was getting myself into.
Think about it. How different is "fear of solitude" from being an "addiction to groups"? Once programmed to fear solitude, do they not experience real pain from solitude... or even the mere prospect of solitude... or even the mere prospect that someone they know will experience solitude (even when they know they've experience long-term solitude before, and loved the experience)?
I don't have a highly technical answer to give. I only see how a reasonable person could honestly claim that "addiction to groups" is a very real phenomenon. Without a doubt some people will have very serious, very painful, very scary symptoms... just at the prospect that they or someone else will remove themselves from "the group".
This is an interesting topic. Someone should think further about this one.
But absolutely yes. The addiction (or whatever it is) to groups makes humans easy prey for human predators.
Yes, you got it as far as I could go. I had a chemistry class 35 years ago and came up with a very similar idea that relationships could very well be Chemical in nature.
Your examples are well thought out. I'm afraid I am too tired to add much.
There is a lot of popular psychology about codependence and even relationship addiction. I guess I had not remembered when writing earlier.
One of your examples reminded me of my mother. So yes you covered it well.
I might forward this to someone who is a brain doctor. Maybe he will respond back with some details for you.
"Then again, it doesn't matter."
It is the only bit of information the human ape needs.
"...perhaps they're too afraid what they may find in the real world."
A woman I recently conversed with was wiling to declare that the earth was flat when the majority held this belief and that it suddenly morphed into a sphere when the majority changed their opinion.
Of course, she knew that this position was ridiculous. She also knew that if she conceded that 'beliefs' had nothing to do with reality then the world that she had constructed in her head might also have nothing to do with reality. To her, it was easier to look like a fool and hold a ridiculous position.
"Seems like the sane people take hold of their own consciousness..."
That is how it happened for me. A moment came when I wasn't afraid to "remove all the BS jammed into (my) brains". It was actually quite swift. It definitely has to be a conscious decision by the individual as any progress that has been made by the person I am 'helping' (not sure of the appropriate word) has been made by them, when the pieces have fallen together for them, when they have been willing to accept it.
As it happens, I too 'love' the real world. It is awesome.
Double post
Yes, this is the world of the Children, constrained in flesh of three dimensions. We have heard that and many other stories of our creation. By your own reasoning, does that mean that these stories are true or even exist or that there are in fact other places in the cosmos? They are not facts for us, only dreams. We perceive the stars as trees and the cosmos as a forest.
So, by your reasoning, does that mean that to get out of the sandbox we must lose all creativity? Or is it the creativity that differentiates us, children or not, from those who lack the capacity and watch over us as jealous nursemaids ... feeding us bits that they themselves did not create, only copy as if as a broken record?
Personally, I would prefer to believe that it is our capacity for corruption and not creativity (or the ability to cast aside disbelief) that constrains us.
No, we certainly should NOT give up creativity. What is important is the ability to distinguish (in precise detail), what is real (what exists) from what is fiction (does not exist).
Once we clearly know the difference, we can act appropriately.
Understand that I love fiction. And I can love fiction without endangering myself. Why? Precisely because I know fiction from reality, I know a non-existent from an existent, I know what is from what is not.
In a very substantial and important way, my focus in life is about fiction. How? I have been an inventor, and I have invented new technologies and new devices and made discoveries that nobody had made before.
But, think about it. What is a new technology or new device that I imagine... before I implement that technology and create that new device. It is fiction. But that is not a danger to me, because I know it is fiction. Because I know it is fiction, I know I must take certain intellectual and physical steps to make it real, to make it exist. And until I do, it remains fiction.
For someone like me (a scientist, engineer, inventor, product developer), it is crucial to make even more subtle distictions between "real" and "fiction". For example, I might imagine a technology or device that... can exist (is consistent with the nature of reality), or a technology or device that... cannot exist (because it is inconsistent with the nature of reality)... or perhaps I'm not sure (in which case I'll have to decide whether to perform more observation and thought and experimention to determine whether my idea is consistent or inconsistent with the nature of reality). And if consistent, is it without my grasp given my knowledge and capabilities and resources?
So, for the record, I love fiction. I love invention (turning fiction into reality). I even love fictional movies (though I would never want to become confused about whether I am watching a documentary or a fictional story).
So again. Creativity is good. Fiction is good. What is not good is... not being able to distinquish what is false/fiction/unreal from what is true/non-fiction/real. And that is the problem. That is the fatal flaw in human consciousness... the inability to distinguish.
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You mention the past, and stories about the long past. I draw my own inferences about how humans developed, but because I am sane, I am always aware that while careful and thoughtful inferences are a whole lot more reliable than "faith" or "guesses", they are still only inferences (hopefully based upon a lot of observations and a lot of thought and a lot of understanding of relevant aspects of reality). So, yes, we must be content to only be able to speculate about the details of "early man". And ditto for topics like whether any other sentient species (or even organic life) exists elsewhere in the universe.
"I have been an inventor, and I have invented new technologies and new devices and made discoveries that nobody had made before."
Tesla said he was a conduit only, a human robot, acting out the instructions that others implanted in his brain.
I have invented also, but there is also an awareness of the possibility of being a conduit, being fed those things that have existed, but not in the present. We can choose whether to agree or not. It is a moral choice.
The rest is crazy ...
Yes, humans can and do let themselves be conduits for forces unleashed by other humans. But humans can also be creative and inventive.
HOWEVER, to be successfully creative and inventive, one must be "conduits for reality" in a very serious and important manner of speaking. I mentioned this above, though in different ways and terms.
To become effective "conduits for reality", we must recognize the nature of reality. Otherwise we will formulate ideas and plans that do not correspond with the nature of reality, and thereby assure we fail (because anything that depends upon the nature of reality being different from what it is certain to fail). But on the flip side, if we do recognize the nature of reality, we can formulate ideas and plans that correspond with the nature of reality, and then take actions to implement the science, engineering, technologies and devices that we imagine and plan.
And so, in a very real way, we have thus purposely become "conduits for reality", or perhaps better said, "conduits for the nature of reality". I prefer to put it the second way because we can invent such an enormous variety of technologies and devices that are consistent with [any aspect of] reality. And indeed, that is where our creativity comes in... for it is we who choose which of the enormous variety of practical technologies and devices we decide to pursue and implement.
I recognize that many people are so human-centric that... for practical purposes they are almost certain to be conduits only for what other humans have initiated. Yes, I can definitely see that... and this likely applies to the vast majority of humans who live on planet earth.
But I have lived all alone in the boonies for many years of my life, and thus have first hand experience of what it is like to direct my own observations, my own reflections, my own thoughts, my own plans, my own actions and my own decisions. Or to put it your way, to be a conduit for [the nature of] reality, not a conduit for other human beings.
I lived alone for 7 years at a remote mountaintop research facility, with no communications, no internet, no phone, no radio, no television, no signs or evidence of human beings anywhere. Not as remote at Antarctica, but I only encountered human beings about once every 3 months when I would drive to a 24-hour grocery store, arrive at about 4am, pick up what I needed, grab any mail or packages that might be waiting (also where I had 24-hour access). Often I would check out my food and supplies and pay without saying a word.
That's a great way to learn about yourself, by the way. One thing I learned was... I am very happy and content when I am alone. I really am a perfect choice for a one-way trip to Mars. Even if I was to go all alone, all by myself, I would absolutely thrive on such a mission. I would absolutely love such a mission. While I know perhaps two or three other humans on the planet I would enjoy having along with me, I'd rather go alone than bring anyone else but those exceptional people.
3 years ago I moved to the extreme boonies in the southern hemisphere, spent nearly 90% of my life savings to set up my self-sufficient home 125km from the nearest human being, and have loved living alone here too. Living here is paradise... thought not as desirable as getting off this planet. Like before I only see other humans about once every 3 months or so, when I fly my little airplane to a tiny town to pick up anything I had shipped in, and to pick up a small amount of food and drink that I don't need (because I grow enough myself), but I buy anyway just to increase the variety of my diet (for pleasure, not necessity).
Unlike the previous place in the boonies, here I have internet, but no other form of communications. And here cannot be reached by land vehicle, only by tiny airplanes (or helicopters) that can land and take-off in 80 meters or less. And this place isn't visible from above (except by a low and slow flying aircraft that flies almost directly above). But because I'm so far out in the middle of nowhere, and obscured from most angles by obstructions, and purposely blended into the environment, nobody knows I'm here, and probably nobody ever will. And besides, nobody will ever care given my remoteness.
I wish everyone could live for at least 1 or 2 years completely alone, with no communications. That might help most people experience sanity, simply by removing the noises that control their attention almost every moment of every day, direcly or indirectly.
I would so love to live my life on a traveling spacecraft, extremely far from earth and any other populated outposts. Or as a second choice, have a planet like Mars all to myself, or to my little settlement of 2, 3 or 4 people. My domain is reality, but I hold the reigns, and choose my path through that reality.
Yeah, I now have the chance to learn how to relax. I live alone also. But this year found some great trails and am really enjoying the local parks. I carried too much stress from human relationships. Maybe coffee added to the stress before too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d6D_QvtTmg (Michael Hudson Video, talks about Predators, what Greece Expected by Joining a United Europe, How they got hijacked by the Bankers, 2011)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7V_UUbqk (Michael Hudson Video, Social Security, Simpson-Bowles, Getting Rid of Tax Credits for Mortgages, Fake Crisis for bankers)
"I wish everyone could live for at least 1 or 2 years completely alone, with no communications"
Reminded me of some of the sentiments in this article - http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-03-30/guest-post-conditioning-...
To a degree I envy your situation and have desired it many times. I work most efficiently on my own, enjoy the time to think when I am alone and love the feeling that the human construct 'time' loses its 'power' when I am alone. There seems to be many upsides to being alone for me.
I undertook this very isolated journey to 'discover' reality while surrounded by people. I found a way. It involved some degree of physical isolation in that I stopped engaging in activities (church, gym, TV, football, etc) that I recognised were just distractions to help me avoid looking at reality square in the face.
However, I consciously chose not to isolate myself from my partner and our small children. I chose not to isolate myself from my clients and employees. I did pull back some and I found and created some ways to allow myself the isolation required to "experience sanity, ...by removing the noises that control(ed) (my) attention almost every moment of every day."
This has become a useful tool for me now, as it allows me to move around my life that is far from physically isolated. It means that I protect that time that I know I need to be alone so I can stay sane. It also means that I actually think before diving headlong into a group type activity that I may be invited to join. Similarly, if I do find my alone time being compromised by anything, the 'anything' will make way (my immediate family may be an exception).
It also means that I look for ways to be alone while engaging in my day to day activities. Work and exercise are 2 activities that I have found I can do alone on a more regular basis. I have started moving towards hobbies that allow me time to be alone (hiking, kayaking, hunting, shooting, archery).
IMO she is talking about Philosophy, Logic.
Reminded me of Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is an Intro to Philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_priori_and_a_posteriori
- No we don't have to give up Creativity
- Science & Discovery require both an Open Mind & Creative Mind
Looking from a mainstream perspective nothing makes much sense ... at least in IMHO. Our view of existence is a puzzle (which once properly put together would reveal a beautiful picture) assembled by a drooling lobotomized ape.
I think that to make sense of it in the present, our best chance is to assemble Plato's "shadows on the wall" and then from the outline they form once assembled develop a hypothesis of the creation on which the light shines.
Unless someone has a guidebook, written in clear and unambiguous terms, they want to toss me.
Something in this thread reminded me of Zen Koans and Meditation. I tried some meditation in the first quarter of my life and found too much stress and confusion. But there were some clear thoughts and a sort of opening of an onion in my mind.
Maybe the answers lay within us. Like Honestann maybe we are the person we are waiting for (to help us).
Humans have so much automatic Ego, it maybe impossible to help certain people till they find difficulty in their lives... or they no longer have a sense how to proceed in life.
The difference between 1929 and now? Back then the central banks were not printing trillions and buying the stock market...
Hence when this goes south --- and it will --- the global economy will end.
Civilization --- will end
Booms and busts are preprogrammed in humans. It's how we test the edge and expand our limits. However the bigger and more organized the effort, the bigger the fall. Nothing crashes like a global entity. Smaller and local is the only way to reduce massive crashes.
I agree. With the article. We get a collapse here which leads to globalization and then we get the final collapse that stop advancement for hundreds of years. Similar to fall of the great medditerania civilizations 2000 yeArs ago. The world regressed and stopped for 1000 years.
I need a drink
If you have not read Professor Carroll Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope", you should. It is available as a free pdf download and there are also a couple of audio versions on Youtube (the two I found were a computer voice and the other by a large Croation guy with a British accent). Neither seem to get a lot of view, particularly in the latter chapters. I would stay away from other audio versions since they appear to be virus ridden.
The first few chapters deal with what you are talking about, the rise and fall of civilizations, which he says typically rot from the inside out and are then taken over by the periphery that they created. It seems kind of dry for those who do not have a real interest.
Chapter five is what we would think of today as a truthful recount of the banking system. It would have been unheard of during the 60s when the book was completed.
The last few chapters deal with the history and issues of different regions of the world.
There is obviously more to the story, which in actuality does not rely completely on man himself, but for what appears to be an honest recounting of man's involvement in the tale, the book is well worth the time.
Good tip. Thanks
Tragedy and Hope, This is still on my reading list which I have misplaced since last December. It came highly recommended.
Now it reminds me of a new book called "Why Nations Fail" which has a good reputation also.
If one wants to have a preview of the effects of a global currency and how it "solves: problems, one only has to look at Europe.
A central authority of unelected technocrats decide who gets money and who does not get money based on their whims and their prejudices. Through their application of money they also get to decide the worth of everything so that they can get what they want for virtually nothing and charge a lot for those things they do not want people to have.
If you are Germany or Belgium your get as much money as you want to fund your industries and your overly leveraged unstable banks. If you are Greece, Spain, Portugal you are not given money and are thrown into perpetual debt servitude to the central authority and you must sell your products cheaply to the rest of thee world.
You may say: "well that is great, the US will be a have and will be able to take advantage of the rest of the world as it does now".
A. is that really what you want for the world?
B. Are you sure? The central technocratic authority can just as easily starve the US and all of its alphabet agencies to death. The US would no longer have the ability to create its own money and would be a slave to the central authority. CAN ANYONE ACTUALLY DEPEND ON BANKERS TO WORK IN ANYONE'S BUT THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST?
It is not too late to stop it. One way or another there will be a depression. With the global central banking authority we emerge from the depression as slaves and without the central banking authority we emerge free.
Yes, the global bankers would keep some slaves in opulent splendor as they do now. These well cared for slaves are called elitists today ... but they are still slaves to the money they cannot create, but desperately need.
I never bought the Elite six guys in a dark room running planet earth......sorry.
No, it is more complicated than that.
When things are all messed up, we naturally look around for leaders to make sense of things. The school teacher, our parents, the coach of the team --- these were people we could look to for answers when things were not right. We grow up with experts and authority that we could look to and in most cases they were pretty good at fulfilling their role. So it makes complete sense that we would continue with this model on a grand scale. When everything goes to crap, we want to believe that authority is there for us and they have the answers. And then we get this sinking feeling that they don't know shit and they are not serving us. From that we get depression and we seek group therapy. From this therapy we learn that we must be our own masters. We are the new experts and the school teachers. We must take on the role. Because if we do not collectively lead from the fringe, we will all fail.
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More alarmist global conspiracy blather from Brandon Smith.
The grand system of control Brandon fears is too energy intensive to exist given the resource base on this planet.
the dude who wrote this article does not understande EITHER:
1. the rule of GOLD
2. the rule of GUNS
checkmate
SDR = next level for up for the global ponzi scheme
if we ever do transition into the SDR one thing is for sure...the USD will be devalued by at least 30%
The accumulation of gold by Russia and China represents a reset back to stage one of the Seven Stages of Empire described by Mike Maloney.
Stage one represents genuine money of G & S and as an empire starts cheating and debasing the currency, it finally collapses in stage seven and resets back to genuine G & S money in stage one. This death of debased currency has happened nearly four hundred times in history.
Russia kicked out it's Rothschild Central Bank and will have it's own SWIFT global trade payment system by next May in 2015. The world is tired of being defrauded by the Fiat counterfeiters and is returning to genuine G & S.
Peter Schiff rebuffed pro-SDR Jim Rickards, when he said that the world is unlikely to adopt another paper, unbacked Fiat currency called the SDR when the Fiat dollar collapses.
There are several articles describing how the IMF and BIS are requesting the BRICS to integrate their IMF banking services and SDR into the new emerging BRICS World Trade System. So far the BRICS don't want the banking services of the criminal anglo-bankers. They have done enough damage already.
Brandon Smith needs to get over his obsession that the EU Organized Crime cabal that controls most of the worlds Central Banks control even rogue states like the BRICS.
The key to this rebellion is gold because it's Kryptonite to the power of Fiat Central Bankers. They don't mix. The basis of the power of Central Bankers is the power to counterfeit money and gold prevents that.