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ObamaCare Creator Admits If He Had Told The Truth "It Would Not Have Passed"
Having exposed the disgraceful reality of ObamaCare's passage into law (and then apologized for being caught saying that "stupidity of the American voter" helped Congress approve the bill); a 3rd and 4th clip of the healthcare law's architect Jonathan Gruber (who Nancy Pelosi says she has never heard of despite her role in the law's birth) have surfaced... and it's not pretty. As CNN reports, the emergence of this video with Gruber repeatedly suggesting that "stupid" voters were misled for their own good by Obamacare supporters is a political problem for Obama as the Supreme Court is set to rule on subsidies.
The 3rd video...
"It's a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter," Gruber said at the Honors Colloquium 2012 at the University of Rhode Island.
"If you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in -- if you made it explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed, OK? Just like how people -- transparent -- lack of transparency is a huge advantage. And basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever. But basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass."
Gruber said he wished "we could make it all transparent. But I'd rather have this law than not."
As CNN reports, on a 4th video...
In this latest video, Gruber's language is not as stark as in three previous instances, but his suggestion that Obamacare proponents engaged in less-than-honest salesmanship remains.
[click image below for CSPAN link to Gruber's speech]
"Barack Obama's not a stupid man, okay?" Gruber said in his remarks at the College of the Holy Cross on March 11, 2010. "He knew when he was running for president that quite frankly the American public doesn't actually care that much about the uninsured....What the American public cares about is costs. And that's why even though the bill that they made is 90% health insurance coverage and 10% about cost control, all you ever hear people talk about is cost control. How it's going to lower the cost of health care, that's all they talk about. Why? Because that's what people want to hear about because a majority of American care about health care costs."
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Gruber said the measures in the bill that attempt to lower costs constitute a "spaghetti approach" -- throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. And while preferable to the status quo, Gruber said he could offer no guarantee that any of the measures would work.
"The only way we're going to stop our country from being a latter day Roman Empire and falling under its own weight is getting control of the growth rate of health care costs," he said. "The problem is we don't know how." Experts "know what the problem is," he said. "Our providers are paid enormously high. In the 1950s surgeons are middle class guys like professors...Now they live on the Hamptons, the Cape, they're like investment bankers.
Gruber said attempts to control costs in a real way were politically untenable. "The problem is if we just say, 'Look, let's just cut our spending,' well, the problem is you're going to then eat into what the rich guys are getting that they're liking. And that doesn't go so well. That's going to be pretty hard politically. That's why no one has a politically feasible way right now to bend the cost curve, it just doesn't exist." Politicians could suggest capping costs but "you wouldn't win many elections."
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So - don't worry, they lied and deceived you for your own good and in fact costs are just rising as ever...
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Of course, the PR team is out en masse... dismissing it as political and blaming Republicans...
Earnest insisted "it is Republicans who have been less than forthright and transparent about what their proposed changes to the Affordable Care Act would do in terms of the choices that are available to middle-class families. I know there is at least one very prominent Republican who campaigned for reelection saying that he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, but yet keep in place the Affordable Care Act marketplace that has operated very successfully in his state."
Asked about Gruber's reference to the "stupidity of the American voter," Earnest said, "I disagree vigorously with that assessment."
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I guess he actually read it before they passed it
Someone slipped a little of the ol' sodium pentothal into his drink.
Around here we call it "a mickey".
So ~ Everyone just got fleeced [yet again], by another JOOBER, who suddenly finds repentance when more than just the tip of his pencil dick happens to be on the chopping block.
So what else is new?
Progressive mind set: Intentionally keep you ignorant of the system so I can use the system against your wishes to do what I want, then call you dumb for not understanding and justifying my actions
Only getting coverage from Fox and now ZH.
In a better time and place, it would be "off with their heads."
turn off Fox
President Obama flows his foreign policy and his love for golf in this hip-hop
Keep The Clubs Swingin' (#Obeezy | Dr. Dre Remix)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LSouLdlLT8o
Obama was too busy sticking his putter into Reggie to waste time reading his Obamacare bill.
Watch the bought-and-paid for Republicans (just like their Democrat brethren) defend ZeroCare when the bullet hits the bone.
BECAUSE BIG INSURANCE COMPANIES & BIG PHARMA.
Regulatory & Legislative Capture.
ZeroCare is WHAT BIG BUSINESS, BIG PHARMA & BIG INSURANCE WANT.
"...the overwhelming majority of the newly insured, including 74 percent of Republicans, are satisfied with their coverage."
"For the less fortunate, however, the Affordable Care Act has already made a big positive difference. The usual suspects will keep crying failure, but the truth is that health reform is — gasp! — working."
Paul Krugman
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/paul-krugman-obamacare-fails-to-fail.html?_r=0
The thing you need to remember about the NYT is that under the father / owner; (it's a family dynasty), they bought the Zapruder film of t he Kennedy Murder; and the FBI immediately asked the guy to put the film away in a vault and never prublish any of it; so he did; even though he had paid for it. he was a Cop jock sniffer and never met a Federal Cop he didn't love. This is why they were able to pull off the Kennedy cover-up; then the Son-owner hired a hack named Friedman as a science columnist, or some such job title, who rattled on about global warming for years and years; because the .gov told him to. If you read about it in the Times you might as well figure it's pravda. They wouldn't know what reality looked like if it bit them in the ass. Krugman is just the latest example of all the propaganda that's fit to print.
It's amazing that there are people who honestly believe in the Tooth Fairy Left-Right/Democrat-Republican paradigm.
Really.
Here's what Republican Inside Baseball strategists are instructing GOP House & Senate members to do regarding the 'Gruber Files:'
Hang it around Zero's & Hillary's neck and rage red with anger at these "new" revelations, but whatever you do, DO NOT UNDERCUT THE PROFITS OF BIG PHARMA, BIG HEALTH INSURERS, BIG MEDICAL DEVICE/EQUIPMENT MAKERS, ACCOUNTANTS/ATTORNEYS/COMPLIANCE OFFICERS, BIG CORPORATIONS SUCH AS WAL-MART, ETC. BY REPEALINGNP IT.
I can't believe so many HERE are so gullible.
ZeroCare is more corporate welfare at a time when the middle class is being eviscerated, and a huge wealth/transfer payment from the working class to the poor AND Krony Kapitalists.
Yes, fuck those assholes, may they rot in the bowels of hell, slowly.
"ZeroCare" -you can't begin to imagine yet how apporpriate that name is. Everyone here will fully comprehend that by this time next year-as well has how little Congress can/will do about it because of the magnitude of lobbying that will be brought to bear on maintaining this scam. It will be that profitable to its beneficiaries.
While Gruber may have authored it, Congress "may" have passed it (there was more than a little blackmail=malignant armtwisting involved to make the vote), Obama certainly signed it, but the final piece was the Supreme Court's Chief Justice Roberts declaring the individual mandate, that each Ameircan has to pay their monthly health insurance premium, a "Tax"
A Tax. There is not a judiciary or legislature anywhere in the WORLD about to define the specific benefits that need be provided in return for the payment of a "tax"
"ZeroCare"
Oh, well, if Krugman said it then it must be true. Give me a fucking break. Krugman is a major part of the problem. clueless as to any solutions.
Thats why we all have to put our differences aside for the moment. I trust progressives as far as I can throw them but even they now know what a rip-off this thing is.
AND "comprehensive immigration reform" is next.
We do it ourselves on these two items that the Chamber of Commerce (Big Business) really REALLY want, then we can go back to fighting amongst ourselves.
Or not ;-)
Hopefully Gruber's Greatest Hits will make it into amicus briefs for the Supreme's decision on the illegal subsidies.
One would think so, it was intentional deception targeting the CBO which was tasked with scoring the thing. Of course we knew it was all a lie but they have to take it as is, with the assumption these "fine upstanding public servants" would never ever trick them...lol.
This one depends on what the meaning of "state" was. According to MacGruber out takes from back before most states declined to set up exchanges, state meant state, exclusive of the federal government. The original intent of the law. Usually "original intent" refers to the epoch when the constitution was written. For this supreme court case we are harking back to the beginning of the Fundamental Transformation of America. What the law clearly meant when written and argued(though never by elected representatives)
What I ask people who talk about voting out the Dems is this: When will Reps abolish OCare? Will they stop unconstitutional NSA/XYZ/GTFO spying on Americans? Will they stop our next unconstitutional war? Will they end the Fed? Will they pass a law that recognizes that only people are people and corporations are not? Will they reduce the size of government by at least 75% (employees and laws/regulations)?
When I get a deer-in-headlights response I answer for them, "Of course not. They are just the other side of the coin."
Roses are Red.
Violets are Blue.
Your favorite team
Doesn't really care about you.
EXACTLY!
Well stated, and great strategy to deal with those being deceived.
I get your gist and agree.
Yet, pricks that they most certainly are, not a single red teamer croaked a "yea" on this "law".
Not one. None. Zero. Nada. That is almost redeeming....at least it was, until the next time boeher had some sad sack emotional breakdown.
Every race that toppled a blue teamer was run on shooting this thing down and staking it in the heart, plus...every one that won also ran on stopping amnesty.
I'm pretty sure tha will come up a few times. They won't last long if they refuse to flex some nut on these two issues.
That's called pre-determined outcome, as Repubes knew it would pass without their votes, so why would they vote for it?
The gravy train for bignpharma, biginsurance, bigcorps, etc., was assured.
It's just like the USDA food stamp program; both "different" parties
make it grow larger every year (FSA, Farmers, Big Agriculture are all enriched at expense of taxpayers).
The first step to ending the FED is to Audit the FED. Harry Reid has been holding up that overwhelming house passed Ron Paul bill for over two years. When the truth about current funding of foreign banks even now comes out that's the beginning of the end. Now we will get a roll call vote in the senate in January putting each Senator on record for opposing a bill supported by 75% of the American public. So, that's the beginning of the end for all the things you mention. You can't have a welfare/warfare state without debt which takes care of the elimination of the TSA, Dept of Education, etc. Of course, repealing the individual mandate which will also happen in January, Obama will veto and there likely aren't enough democrat votes to get the 2/3 needed for override. There is a difference and discrimination is the essence of intelligence. Think about that!
Member of the Tribe.
Surprise, surprise.
What fucking trolls down voted me for telling someone to turn off fox news? Hannity is that you? trolling ZH?
Oh quit your whining, it's fight club sonny, you want the kid glove treatment NBC is down the hall in the ladies room where they are rubbing Oby's back and hell no I didn't red ya.
I did twice. Don't even watch any MSM News. O
No mention of Gruber on the front page of ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN.com. The scandal that nobody wants to cover. Gruber? Who's he? Nothing to see here. Move along stupid people.
Another interesting part is that it was just some dude in Phily, I think, that dug up the goods.
Financial Advisor, or something....pissed cause his insurer ditched him, in spite of Comachos promise.
After I read about this guy, first thing I thought was....I'd bet my right nut he's on ZH. If your reading this...and you are that guy...I got many rounds of beer for you, wild man.
This guy deserves instant Tyler status.
water.....like from the toilet?
Baitin'
And the MSM in the US, with the exception of Fox of course, didn't see this as newsworthy enough to cover. Obumboy's signature legislation was a complete fraud which was knowingly misrepresented in the bill based on a calculation of the stupidity of the American people (Oh, and let's not forget Congress) and this is not newsworthy. US media is truly a basket case. But so is this Administration. Perhaps the reason they saw this as not newsworthy is that the lies and fraud of this Administrationhave already been established as a fact.......
I applaud this young man speaking the truth. The American public is a moronic group of lemmings that need strong arm politicians to protect them from themselves.
This looks like a good place to fix this Gruberism...
"It's a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the progressive voter," Gruber said at the Honors Colloquium 2012 at the University of Rhode Island."
If you like your debt and tax slavery...
Its incredible isn't it?
This idiot Gruber admits to deceiving PROGRESSIVES as to what this thing really was (a giveaway to Big Business) while every conservative I know of was adamantly against it. Its not a fucking right when you're taxed/fined/penalized for not exercising a right...what fucking idiots the people have to deal with daily.
And again, what voters is he talking about? Not one true conservative or libertarian voted for this shit. They knew better, mandatory means just what the definition says, forced compliance under a penalty.
Thats nowhere near a right or liberty.
This is truth nmewn. He basically called all democrats stupid. We right thinking people saw this shit coming a mile away. I'm not stupid. Progressives are.
Certainly sounds like he's calling everyone who voted for it and them stupid to me.
This would be a good place to dive off into the business/economic ignorance of progressives but I suppose we shouldn't rub it in too much...and note...I said ignorance, not stupidity. Big difference, its impossible to fix stupidity as its a mental condition not a lack of knowledge.
Even Gruber, an MIT professor, is supposed to know that ;-)
History provides perspective. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" -- and become Progressives.
To do list for Gruber:
1. Pack my shit.
2. Try to find a place to run to.
3. Hope i make it out alive.
"I know it looks like one but it's not really a guillotine, Jonathan, it's an industrial sized Chop-o-Matic. Nothing to worry about."
Does everyone have his contact info? http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/shriveled-putz-shar...
I really think effective change could be made in this country. Just imagine if Jon Corzine was found hanging from a bridge like Benito, or perhaps a few of these politicians or progressive actors. If only a handful were shown on TV like that I think you would suddenly find a lot of converts in government, media and wall street doing the right thing. A sort of "come to Jesus" moment.
I'm in no way advocating violence but theorizing what would hapen if something like this were to occur.
I can dream can't I?
We should start with the media. There are several bridges in NYC that can accommodate all the media hacks in that town. We expect our government to be corrupt, but it is the job if the media to point it out to the American people. They are complicate in the government tyranny. Totally against what reporting was,,,,, reporting the truth. Now the media is nothing but a wing of the government.
Amen, brother.
I've said it many times here and it's bears repeating.
The complicit media should be the first against the wall.
The camera man last.
They have special protection under the constitution and they SOLD OUT.
Politicians and Bankers can wait and watch while "the press" is dealt with.
I do not think it is so much like this. Major mass media is owned by just a few masters. They make puppeh eyes when government does what they are supposed to do in the eyes of the masters. When government does not do as expected then the media are all over them.
It is more like the media is a tool of a shadow government than the government. Not that it matters a whole lot to most since about 90% of politicians are bought. Still, for the sake of the 10% who are genuine, it does matter.
Caveat: My ratio above is just top of the mind. No science was performed here.
Quit emailing Gruber....do you think he gives a shit?
Email his boss, Rafael Reif and demand that he force Grubers resignation.
http://web.mit.edu/aboutmit/
president@MIT.EDU
You can even include some flowery words like 'Academic Integrity' and 'Ethics' if you'd really like to give them a good laugh.
4) Kill myself in an attempt to be a martyr......
4. Look up Ed Snowden
He musta though we would have never found out what was in the legislation. Consequences bitches!
More like he believed all the "educated" around him felt the same way and would never leak the videos. This suggests there are those within his circles whom do not favor either his means and/or his ends.
We do have some potential allies there.
Similar to a kidney stone, you gotta pass it first.
"Barack Obama's not a stupid man, okay?" Gruber said in his remarks at the College of the Holy Cross on March 11, 2010.
I told you he was a Marxist con man over and over.
the headline maker actually meant to say "RomneyCare"
Even if he did, what happens in MA stays in MA. It doesn't bother the rest of us at all. That's why our Constitution promises Federalism, not Feudalism.
He is a stupid man, and a whore; just like this man. He tells whatever lies his owners tell him to put out there.
"You wan't the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" - The Muppets
Same logic as the phony WMD Iraq War.
double post....my bad
More like he feeds us shit and then rubs our faces in it.
So more like a guard in a concentration camp..
Old News. Classic liberal paternalism. We know best and we are going to tell you how to live your life. Lying about programs and legislation is par for the course and IN YOUR BEST INTEREST
Well, the 'liberals' were in favor or a single payer system.
Then the corporatists, the insurance companies/AMA/and big Pharma did the re-write.
Now we have the most expensive medical health care costs in the world, and a meager, if any, improvement in health.
And the Ds rammed it through! The Rs also ram lots through, and are generally beholden to their corporate/banksta masters.
that's step #2
Once again, they're just throwing it back in our faces. Pure arrogance.
On the other hand, I do find honestly refreshing and I prefer his "F-You bitches" attitude to listening to lies. I would love it if one of the press retards would ask Obama to comment on this.
I'd ike it even more if justice were served and each and every one of them was strung up by their balls. I no longer find any humor on anything re DC.
"We fucked you at the drive-thru"......
Hoag Futures , anyone ?
Does no one care what God thinks of these shenanigans ?
See
https://www.academia.edu/9290655/Hows_God_doing_
Gee, I wonder why Obamacare's supporters aren't up in arms over this insult to their intelligence?
Because it's not possible to insult their intelligence?
Truth of the matter is, all of the Criminal Fruad UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. CEO as well as Board of Directors AKA CONgress should be hanging from trees by now. Truth be told.
so only invetment bankers deserve to live in the Hamptons, and well himself of course.
What is this bullshit? The people fought like hell against this boondoggle but it passed anyway. Since when has this government cared what the people want?
The "people" re-elected nearly everyone who passed it.
Until they got their more recent premiums.
Not in 2010, and 2014. 2012 still had white guilt and magic underwear to fog the issue. Anyhow, we all know 'round here elections don't count for much.
Lulz @ Magic undies.
That slays me.
so we are even more stupid? some of us liked math in school. it would make a great 9th grade algebra question. if the cost of something is x which is divided equally amongst 10 people write an equation that would note the change in each person's payment if 5 more people were added to those already paying?
in layman's terms, easy enough for your average dumb cracker to understand(notice i didn't mention the counterpart), if you get more people to pay a part of the same price for something, the price goes down for each person not up. it doesn't go up.
i have a friend who counted on this to retire early and he is realizing he is working for another ten years if they let him.
Welcome to wally-world. Have a good time shopping on your EBT card.
I'm only at page 1887 and am amazed at how stupid I am - I do not understand all the dodging and weaving - errr I mean BS
Who cares? They are passing 30 bills a day this way.
These guys will all be in Tel Aviv by the time any revolution gets rockin.
Good. Nice of them to gather close together.
Perhaps a 'real' ISIS will evolve by that time. I'll ship over the finest swords money can buy.
note to self (and countrymen) Politicians Always Lie....get it tattoed like a tramp stamp
Increase supply of health care, costs go down.
Decrease demand for health care, costs go down.
Giving everybody health insurance which increases demand for health care? Costs go up.
This is 7th grade microeconomics, not rocket surgery.
Hhhh - it's not "not rocket surgery", it's s'pposed to be "not nuclear surgery". Jeez.
Good point - because nobody got sick before they had health insurance, right?
Not sure if you are as clueless about supply and demand as a Congressman, as ignorant about insurance's effect on the demand curve as a Congressman, or you are struggling with comedy...
Look, he's right about a lot of things. I know y'all don't want to hear it, but he's right about wealth inequality re: surgeons at the Hamptons. He's right that the average American is already so trod-upon that even a tiny increase in their cost of living could be disastrous. He's right about the cost of the services of health care being absurd. He's right about us tottering like a latter day Rome, and he's double right about the voter having been educated all the way to total imbecility.
It's just Obamacare doesn't fix any of these things, and he's describing the problems of a failed monetary regime.
You jackass hater.
You have no idea how much school and debit med school for a surgeon or doctors put in and take on. Don't be an asshole your entire life and let this prick do another one on you by blaming the providers.
You have no idea what life is like for doctors. They fucking earn it. I'm laying next to one that puts in hours your silly ass would not be able to handle.
You're talking shit and you need to wise the fuck up.
So the solution is to increase those costs. Brilliant. Way to go Einstein.
The truth hurts.
"It's a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter"
So is the entire monetary system.
Obamacare is nothing but a cash grab for the Feds and the largest handful of insurers, another knife up the ass of the middle class, more incentives, no matter what is now being said, for 'undocumented' Democrats to cross the border for work, or failing that, free shit - and its all being paid for with printing [indebting future taxpayers] and selling bonds [ditto].
Nothing was done about prevention. Nothing was done to increase the number of doctors or nps, or PAs, etc.
Nothing was done, really, to reduce costs, all while forcing the young and healthy to care for the effects of poor diet and smoking, and to subsidize Big Pharma and the Medical-Pharmaceutical Complex.
Most severe pain could be well-treated with generic tylenol and advil [ibuprofen, acet.] used in synergistic combination. There - jsut saved you 50 billion dollars or so, if we include the costs of people who get addicted to oxy.
This country is run by idiots who are not perceived as such because they went to the Ivy League, which is disproportionately WASP/Jew establishment, and apparently out of good ideas.
Tax the Fed.
Legalize it.
Vote 3rd party.
If they won't enforce immigration law - stop filing tax returns.
Lets see them try to penalize 5 million people who stop filing...
I voted third party and was summarily down voted by poster "logicalman" and his band of merry "bitch more do less" intellectuals. It's high time we begin to use the power of the purse against these fuckers. Take your money out, starve the fuckers, boycott and become politically active in OTHER third parties. It's a better message than just bitching here in ZH.
Preparing to be down voted in. 3...2...1...
Nuttin' but green from me, chief.
Sound like a man with a plan. Preach it.
JE:
tax the fed.
END THE FED! there fixed it for you. the rest i absolutely agree.
Hamas Covenant - "Obliteration of Israel"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant
Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, Future News TV, June 15, 2010, Source: MEMRI.org"We have liberated Gaza, but have we recognized Israel? Have we given up our lands occupied in 1948? We demand the liberation of the West Bank, and the establishment of a state in the West Bank and Gaza, with Jerusalem as its capital – but without recognizing [Israel]. This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land...
"Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy. "
Is there anyone outside of the mainstream media and democrat politician staffers (but I repeat myself) who doesn't know that Dear Leader Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, et al are non-stop liars? Anything to control more of people's lives and enrich themselves.
Fuck you asshole and thanks for the 60% premium increase!
If American voters were not stupid, how would Obama have won election in the first place?
Hope and change and OF COURSE FREE SHIT
They all voted for Santa Claus.
As long as you believe....
You get free shit.
"Tax the rich...Feed the poor... till there are no... rich no more."
FSA
Well, it's the same thread as the other day, so here's the same post:
It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- opening lines of 101 Things To Do 'Til The Revolution by Claire Wolfe
...but it's not too early to start taking names for when the time comes.
Sometimes I wonder - do all the Tylers actually read ZH?
#102: Build a guillotine.
An American, not US subject.
#103 Re watch Taxi Driver...and get a brand new haircut.
Someday, a real rain will come...now I see clearly.
It's interesting that now this information comes out. When in fact these tapes are from in some cases years ago. It's like someone wants an excuse for the shooting to start.
I think Putin wants us to start shooting - he keeps sticking it to Obummer. Now if we could only sacrifice just one a-hole to Russia we could preserve peace.
Who says we can't?
Hoag Futures , anyone ?
Does no one care what God thinks of these shenanigans ?
Look at all the banker deaths .
As for growth , look at
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CBRT.IN/countries/1W?display=...
The global crude birthrate has fallen quite sharply by about 5% in the last 7 years .
Economic growth is fuelled by future expectations for grandchildren .
There is no growth because there is no perceived need of it .
The species seems to be heading for extinction , or maturity (if there is a difference)
See
https://www.academia.edu/9290655/Hows_God_doing_
I'm going to need an assistant to help me with my guillotine list.
An American, not US subject.
Latest additions: Gruber and Boone County Sheriff’s Deputy Tyler Brockman
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=48750
an overhaul of the medical system by people who don't understand medicine and, apparently don't understand economics, nor appreciate "democracy."
Why are so many of them, so many of Obama's appointees or leave-em-ins, at the Fed, IRS, Treasury, Commerce, FDIC, CFTC, OMB, and on and on...why are they so diproportionately Irish/Scottish?
I presume 'Gruber' is a shortening of 'MacGruber' - the patron saint of explosions.
Isn't Gruber Kosher Kraut?
Satanic Tribe, what do you expect from the evil bastards?!?
2700 pages of...
Naked merciless CONTROL.
It is not enough to just "hate-on" this asshole.
You have to really question the ethics and intents of his employers, his political party, the charities and boards he advises, his friends and even family.
This is just one asshole of thousands who sells the fantasy of a 'world of equals' where he and his ilk are just a little bit MORE equal than everyone else.
The media blackout on this is exactly like the Nixon Watergate cover-up or the USS Liberty.
Accomplices after the a fact.
The real institution that is shaken here is the (un)Supreme Court. How could ANY of those so-called justices sit on an Obamacare case going forward hearing that one of the instrumental advisers intentionally used fraud and omission to hoodwink Citizens?
Time to bring out the list of representatives that voted for this and ask them if they now feel deceived. Get them on record and move this Creature back to the pits of Hell.
Don't get me wrong. I am FOR a more humane health system. Just not one concocted by insurance empires.
It does not really matter though. By the next election the insurance AND care costs will be so high and the household incomes will be so stagnate that nobody will be in compliance with any of this witchcraft.
Regrettably, these guys and their kids are headed for the ovens.
They just don't know it yet.
Regret? I hate the word. As I hate hell and all progressives.
Mugging Americans: ObamaCare’s Jonathan Gruber And Norbert Schlei Of The 1965 Immigration Act
Scum.
BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THIS LAW THAN NOT -- So it's all about him and not the 70% that originally were opposed to it. Do these statists in the background have the same level of security that those in the public eye have? Just wondering out loud is all....
To answer your question....Nope!
De Opressor Liber
They killed Ceasar in the throes of the Roman Empire...We are there already.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
Sometimes you just have to lie to children for their own good.
Otherwise they might get their little feelings hurt.
And go grab Daddy's gun and start shooting.
It's the same reason that providing car insurance isn't profitable.
These videos goes to show what I have always said: YOU (VOTERS) CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
The voter is like an ugly fat chick at the bar, when a desperate (drunk) decent-looking, skinny guy comes up to her at closing time and tells her how beautiful she is.
She knows it s a lie. He knows it's a lie. They both know that they both know it's a lie.
But they choose to believe it, and fuck the night away. It felt good for awhile. But in the morning she feels like a used slut. Which she is, and is angry. Just like the typical voter who demanded this shit.
Of course, she cannot blame herself. That is too painful to the ego.
The two groups that come to mind in this fiasco are the young and the unions.
Both voted en mass for Obama and his ilk.
Both absolutely fucked themselves, and in their own asses. And now they will bleed for it.
The young get to pay a lot more to subsidize fat old fuckers. As they were told was going to happen. Now, (who knew?).....they are not enrolling. Seems like hope and change isn't worth the cash. Dope is expensive, you know.
Incredulously, the unions actually voted to decimate their OWN gold-plated insurance with the cadillac tax. I still cannot fathom a group of people can be THAT fucking stupid and not be considered mentally retarded.
But they apparently are. I am already seeing my union buddies watch their deductibles go thru the roof to keep premiums under the tax guillotine. And it is severe.
They were warned beforehand....many, many, many times. With even less offensive verbiage as this esteemed liberal professor speaking of his own ilk.
I say cut this prof a break.
For once, you are hearing the truth.
But don't get used to it. Besides, you can't handle it.
The major problem is many people would rather take there chances on getting sick and if they do then they don't mind taking it from those that DO pay. Now people who were willing to gamble to save a buck are not being allowed to. Waaaa.
The outrage should be that the cost was not addressed in the ACA.
So support a law that forces someone to buy something as a condition of being alive, but make sure to keep the cartel intact so that prices can spiral to infinity and the .Gov can get their cut.
How is that meeting of Sociopath's Anonymous? Still in the basement of the NY Fed?
Where I come from we call this behavior FRAUD.........
Pursuant to the ACA, my company is forced to offer coverage to employees. The coverage that we will offer meets mimimum standards under the Act and is 1) a crappy high deductible plan and 2) expensive for both the employee and employer share (I can't afford anything else). So, my employees won't elect the coverage, and they won't be able to go to the exchanges. We used to offer a mini-med plan that many employees liked - inexpensive and useful coverage. Those plans are now illegal and thus not offered. Conclusion, my employees are screwed. My insurance broker wants to find a new career. I understand why.
Don't forget, it's even worse than it looks here. AIPAC bought congress and THEY voted for this. Then, these moronic assholes want to call the voting public "stupid" for falling for it?
Huh? Kind of like blaming a rape victim because she's pretty.
Very nice, Gruber you fucking idiot.
Well...the funny thing about health is that at one point you are healthy, and then something happens and you become very sick. THAT's why we have insurance...so that in case something awful happens, we are covered. So let's say you are healthy, and then get seriously sick, and then have to change companies (and insurers) - well surprise, surprise...your rates go WAY up, and that is IF some new company will insure you. So that is why most every developed country in the world has adopted single pay insurance, yes, managed by the nasty government, and to balance out the healthy with the sick. But in the USA, you want to stay so individualistic that collectivism completely seems to escape the conversation. Add a little greed by insurers and you get the mess you have now. Life expectancy declining and a movement to get rid of health Obamacare completely. What will happen to you all if you are unlucky to get sick while between insurance companies...will be your own doing!
It is your fear.
If you had saved money for health expenses when you were in your 20's, put aside 10k, then anything that came up, IN A SANELY PRICED MARKET, would be covered, and catastrophic insurance would cover anything truly expensive.
In most nations that are developing, healthcare is very reasonable compared to local wages.
In Mexico, all you need is 50k MXN. Beyond a certain age, anything more expensive, you won't be alive to spend the money.
IOW in most countries beyond a given expense line, you don't need the money because you will be dead. In most countries no one is going to spend $2 million to put you back together after you skydive into a rock with no parachute.
America, on the other hand, people burn through all of their assets, their children's assets, and the assets of society, just to extend life 18 months. Americans truly do act as if they are not going to die and that healthcare is there to prevent this.
One can self insure in many nations up to and including major surgery which only costs $20k to save your life in most countries not-developed.
Asia, Monthly wage, $500
Asia, visit to ER, $3
Ratio: 167:1
USA, Monthly wage, $4,000
USA, visit to ER, $2k to $7k
Ratio, 2:1, to 2:3.5
Healthcare in the USA is 100X more than other countries and that factors in local wages and incomes. Thus insurance IS NOT NEEDED in other countries. One can safely and sanely self-insure, aka Pay Cash.
The USA is just a rip-off nation of grifters.
I recommend that any and all stay away.
The golden parachute of truth has been spoken. SCOTUS is in big fucking trouble. The latest attempt for free Internet will grind into the lying bastards who sold us on the ObamaCare.
I've never have seen such a despicable clan of lying politicians in my 47 years of life. Nixon, Carter and Clinton was merely child's play.
Today in the current administration in Washington DC it's far easier to come up with the list of what is not a lie than what is a lie.
Extremely important to point out: This does indeed indict the credibility of the Supreme Court as well when the lead architect admits to the general public that the whole law is built on a fraud. How could the Supreme Court with the brightest minds in the land not rule the law as unconstitutional? Based on the commerce clause a US citizen cannot be forced to buy a product from the Federal government. But they ruled in favor of the fraudulent plan and their decision pointed out that a fine was simply another form of taxation. This plays right into the narrative that Gruber has been outlining. So did the SCOTUS also conspire with the fraud? In my view they did. There is no way they did not know all of this going in to the case.
Atomizer - so true. And I have 73 years of life, and the same observation would be true over the span of a thousand years. The only good times are revolutionary times when there is indiscriminate killing of the rich and powerful ie the French Revolution. Anything less is ineffective. Molotov cocktails for all Mercedes (and all black Suburbans) from highway overpasses would be a good start.
Just kidding of course. I dont know what comes over me sometimes. Must be the beginnings of dementia. Crazy thoughts. How could anyone think that someone driving a $100,000 car is in any way responsible for the suffering and chaos in America today.
The major problem is many people would rather take there chances on getting sick and if they do then they don't mind taking it from those that DO pay. Now people who were willing to gamble to save a buck are not being allowed to. Waaaa.
The outrage should be that the cost was not addressed in the ACA.
The other outrage should be that years after the passage of ACA the Repubicans still have Nothing to replace it with even though they have been going to roll out a plan forever. Why don't the repubicans address the cost of health care, hell not frozen over yet?
I tell them everyday. The medical system is dysfunctional. Has been for a long time. The last time I was in the medical system, appendix removal in 7th grade.
This spinal surgery has been painful. Refusal to take additive drugs has been a slow recovery. Doctors plea for you to take them. I just shake my head in approval and never buy the prescription under my health care plan.
Snake oil doctors prescribing pharmaceutical chances. Everyone gets a monetary kickback. Not from me.
It's your choice to take the medication or not. The pain is not ACA's fault. Never mind addressing where I say the outrage should be. If you didn't want to address that then you need not reply to my post.
This article claims that Gruber had nearly $400K in consulting contracts with the Administration:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405274870458650457465436267...
I would llike to know whether Gruber took any money from healthcare and/or insurance companies.
From the movie "The Long Riders":
Cole Younger: 'Cause you're a whore, Belle.
Belle Starr: I might be; but at least I ain't a cheap one.
Sociopathy in its purest form. And this gem:
"The only way we're going to stop our country from being a latter day Roman Empire and falling under its own weight is getting control of the growth rate of health care costs," he said.
Forcing people to buy one of the biggest drvers of health care cost inflation is going to control the growth rate of health care cost.
"Blackwhite has “two mutually contradictory meanings" depending on whether it is applied to an opponent — "impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts" — or to a Party member — "a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands".
Orwell was spot on.
In the midst of many intelligent comments, yours stands out.
"Barack Obama's not a stupid man, okay?"
Okay, he is only a lying man.
De-fund ACA
The
AFFORDABLE
Care
ACt
is not
affordable
Corzined! Now whatch him disappear...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxrd_jZJxkg
LIAR!
You know this fucker cheated on every one of his college classes and doesn't know shit about economics or anything else. He survived by being a suck up to people his whole life and then got his big chance by making shit up. A new economics model just like they have at the BLS and everywhere else. They need whore shills to "prove" their science. The only science these psychopaths believe in is sociology and manipulating the low informatation masses. Just like Romney doesn't care about the 47% that don't like him these psychos don't care about the 20% that have critical thinking and mathematics skills. They know they can sway the masses to their "science."
The fucking stupid people are the ones who came up with Obamacare and can't even make the website work and still doesn't work after $2 Billion dollars. Obamacare can never work, even with lying and fabricating all the data.
And remember, "need" for Obamacare was an admission that the Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are already insolvent failures. Hence the need for to reinvent a rationing system like Obamacare.