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The Youth Are Our Future – The Challenges Of Raising Free-Thinking Minds
Submitted by The Dissident Dad via Mike Krieger's Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
When recent headlines range from a women going to jail for not mowing her lawn, to the tracking technology embedded in each of our cell phones, you can get easily depressed and discouraged simply by being aware of the world you live in.
I remember when I first announced that my wife and I were expecting a child. I received a multitude of angry feedback from my YouTube channel subscribers about how it is reckless to bring a child into this world. My response then, as it is now, is that we should never allow the oligarchs to dictate or alter our life choices. You choose your destiny; not JP Morgan, not the FED, and not the bloated bureaucrats in D.C.
Looking back 3 kids later, I am very happy my children are in this world with me.
I believe the solution to the corruption that surrounds us is to raise up a new generation of sovereign thinkers who aren’t tied down to any one philosophy, but are thinking minds instead.
As a father, I know that each of my interactions with my children will shape their future – especially on special days where we do things that aren’t part of our normal fun.
Last weekend, my children and I set up a coffee and lemonade stand. I took them to the store, bought the supplies, freshly squeezed the lemonade, and used a few extension cords to plug in the Keurig. Every time we do this, I just love their enthusiasm. From making top-quality lemonade to the stellar servicing of our customers, my children are learning to be honest business people. In fact, they are having so much fun we could easily give it away for free, since many of the tips for these 50 cent cups are north of $5.
After about an hour, my son was a bit discouraged. He waved and waved, but only 2 cars stopped. And just as he was about to give up, the flood gates opened up, making about $30 in 20 minutes.
All in all, it was a good day. The children learned about an honest day’s work, how to save money, and most importantly, they learned how to move forward after rejection. Although we only served about 8 customers, my children must have waved at over 100 vehicles that waved back but didn’t pull over.
Exercising their brains to take risks, to not fear rejection, and to treat others well is something that has been in many cases, entirely removed from our educational system.
Taking risks is frowned upon at school. You need to follow the rules, listen to your teacher, and learn that any break in the ranks will result in suspension. At the very heart of thinking for ourselves is one’s ability to take risks.
Rejection at school is unfortunately borne by anyone who isn’t part of the crowd. The crowd’s center being good looking kids, sports stars and the children of influential parents. The further you are away from this group the more you feel you are on the outside. So what do most kids do? They try and become part of the crowd; conditioning we all learn. Whether it be natural or manufactured, we carry it with us later in life as we head to the polls to cast our votes, or sign the loan documents for our new vehicle, 3-decade mortgage, or college tuition. The crowd in itself is not necessarily bad, but we need to help our children think for themselves, allowing them to be able to emotionally overcome rejection.
Parents today carry a heavy burden. We need to counter state propaganda, protect our children’s minds from corporatism, while at the same time, do everything we can to teach them to think for themselves.
I try to remember the road I just traveled, my awakening during the housing bubble, 9/11, and all the fraud and tyranny I’ve encountered since. I think back to all the time I wasted watching dishonest news, lining up to vote, and getting upset over the geopolitical concerns of our “overlords.”
If those of us who value liberty take an active role in our young people’s lives, there really shouldn’t be an awakening process for them – they’ll start their lives off awake. There will be no undoing for them and no recovery from propaganda; just a life here on earth as compassionate, energetic and moral sovereign men and women.
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"Last weekend, my children and I set up a coffee and lemonade stand. I took them to the store, bought the supplies, freshly squeezed the lemonade, and used a few extension cords to plug in the Keurig."
So you went to megastore, plugged into your public utility, squeezed some Lemons from Chile, and fired up the Chinese manufactured Keurig to teach them about self-reliance in America. Did you get some neighbors to pull over the Range Rovers?
LTER, did you unionize them hypocrite?
The Chinese, or the Chileans? I did not unionize them, but I did suggest factory dorm nets.
I would recommend this book to anyone raising children: Uncommon Sense: The Heretical Nature of Science by Alan Cromer.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195082133/ref=olp_product_details?ie=U...
Your children may end up having a better chance of being employed.
About the self reliant author of this story, for those who care to know: "Daniel purchased his first business at age 16 [piggy bank money, not inheritance] and his first rental property at age 18. Since then Daniel has consulted for real estate brokerages, grocery chains, stock advisers, and investment newsletters. Focusing mainly on inflation related investments and strategies, Daniel has become a top resource expert for over 200,000 people who subscribe to his FutureMoneyTrends.com Newsletter where he analyzes stocks, investment trends, and produces some of the most watched investment videos on the Internet."
Dan, should I opt for the Turbo Rover, or are those too problematic from a maintenance point of view? Assume I can't buy two so that one can stay in the shop.
oh, i didn't know that "dissident dad" was daniel ameduri, he's a cool guy, i ran into him at the metals and mining conference in SF last year.
you wouldn't like him, though, LTER, he's not a socialist and doesn't believe that the government should run every aspect of our lives.
I don't like most people who tell me to make it on my own when they inherited huge sums, and who make money by suckering people into buying their investment newsletters,so you're probably right.
Take care of your elderly mom, it's your best hope, Lola. Do the right thing by your siblings or they will be justified in their revenge.
Okay, asshole.
Post whoring here...
The free-thinking minds won't arise until they are hungry, and really, really, ANGRY.
The silver spoons who didn't act to change things deserve their come-uppance.
Many Financial Beta Tests;
Predatory Capitalism is action
- Bail Out
- Bail In
- QE & 5 years of ZIRP
- Ninja Loans & foreclosures
- Rehypothicated mortgages
- US Financial Schemes Damaged International Faith in USA, US Financial Markets, US Petro Dollar, and Damaged European Investors
- Retirement savings & Pension Funds Quantifiably Damaged
- No investment Interest for Savings Accounts
- US Municipalities & Counties & University Trusts Damaged
- High Gas Prices 6 years from 2008 Surplus
- EU & Euro
- Price Fixing commodities & LIBOR
- Detroit Bankruptcy was the Beta Test.
- Post Office Liabilities to Heath Care
- Sub-Prime Loans
- S&L Crisis
- Yet Neither Rs or Ds in 2 Party system take any action to address Economic, banking, Jobs, Pension, Debt issues
Now what was the question?
Beyond Belief that Our Leaders Pretend to Represent Jobs, Economy, banking, Industry... How can US People possibly believe the stuff on TV called News? How can they not see the Death of the Middle Class?
The Question was just Wow, clearly we will all be debt slaves working for minimum wage for wealthy elite... What is the Full Implementation Look like?
- Financial War on Free People in a so called Constitutional Republic... by our own bankers.
"free thinking minds"? fraid you've got the wrong species.
Just being a contrarian here but aren't "open minds" what got us here today? I mean as a kid in the sixties we were being told continuously to discard the values of our parents and be more "liberal" inferring open minded. While I understand the need to keep a thinking rational mind, it seems a bit dangerous to pursue this concept to the point of potentially discarding values, moral ones as well as those which help keep us alive. We have suffered a lot of "open mindedness" over the last fifty years and while it is brought us some positives its hard to see how it is not ultimately about liberalism as we know it today. Just saying...
You two just went all Philosophy on me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_priori_and_a_posteriori
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic%E2%80%93synthetic_distinction#Kan...
But if we live in the Solution for a minute... If the people could just see the fact:
- That US Workers/Voters/Citizens/Middle Class are being Targeted by bankers, Corporations, Politicians, Lawyers, Economists and Elites... in a Financial War, then maybe they would spend more time and effort in "Resisting"
people pursue short term interests over long term. It is our weakness. Drug addiction is the ultimate expression of this in that we will sacrifice EVERYTHING for another high that may only last for minutes. We want nice things with the least amount of work and if lead slowly and convincingly into it will leverage our entire future for a new big screen TV. Looking into the future is the answer and there is only one way to do that and that is to look backwards for clues. Its something that most investors have understood for generations, but we see even they abandon this for the lure of immediate, irrational, short term gains. If you want a future you have to plan for one, and virtually no one is doing that today and in my opinion this is what will ultimately kill our society. The rejection of history, of our past for the promise of a fictional, theoretical and unproven future is our undoing. Sure, we all believe in some form of progress but not at the cost of everything. The hope of many for some ultimate collapse that they believe will provide the "cleansing" they hope for is just as foolish as it is simply another utopian dreamer mentality that will yield nothing but more misery in the pursuit of bullshit. Chaos and destruction will only advance the agenda of those seeking chaos and destruction...for their own benefit.
Michael Hudson: Finances vs Economy, Credit vs Money [3/18 ENG] ...Sounds like lots of ZH people agree with him on Greece & Financialization of Debt & Government in order to steal the assets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZQqrxHGcoQ Whole thing is good!
+1. Glad to see someone inject some epistemology into this discussion where it belongs.
Thanks. I've been up all night again and my mind is pretty tired now. I spend the week reconnecting to some old thoughts and ideas.
Not sure what I can add now. I know here are ZH many don't like the Keynesian s or the MMT Economists, but Michael Hudson does a good job. It has been 6 months or so since I saw anything by him. Posted below.
Apparently the US Central bank has been following MMT style Economics.
The Hudson Video identifies some of the devices of Theft and Fraud... along with a whole new kind of Banking not in US Economics Books.
mostly, you don't like people who succeed, LTER, just be honest about it.
Succeed by inheritance like this guy? The North Korean guy did well by inheritance, too. Do you respect him for his success?
so, let me see if i understand you correctly. you fault the guy because his parents left him some money, and that makes him somehow a bad person?
and thus, you're comparing him to a brutal dictator who starves, kills, and opresses his people?
i'm just trying to see if i understand your bizarre, twisted, line of reasononing.
and as far as success, that's entirely subjective of course, but, being left some money has nothing to do with success, it's what you do with your life that counts. you're the only one obsessing over inheritance for some reason. what's the matter LTER, no one left you anything and so you feel unloved and need to lash out at others who did get an inheritance?
He bought his first business at 16 with his parents' money. Business went under. You think that's a sign of success? He now makes money selling investment newsletters. The kind ridiculed here every day as being parasitic. Please explain to me how this fits into your view that society should be based on individual merit.
yes, absolutely, it is a sign of success when you try something, you fail, and you get up, brush yourself off and try again. failure is when you are knocked down and you stay down.
and what were you doing at 16?
two more incorrect statement from you:
"He now makes money selling investment newsletters."
i doubt very much that's how he makes his money. what do you know about daniel's finances? feel free to present some evidence to back up your claims, but i strongly suspect you're talking without any knowledge about that topic.
"The kind ridiculed here every day as being parasitic."
wrong again. there's nothing parasitic about selling newsletters. when an exchange is voluntary, i'm 100% in favor of it. parasitic is anything relating to the government. the term you're looking for in the case of voluntary exchange is not parasitic, it's "symbiotic".
look, LTER, i know you're uncomfortable with the success of others, but you need to get over yourself. go and do something successful yourself, instead of trying to hate on others who do.
"it is a sign of success when you try something, you fail [with your parents' money]"
That is what the bankers said about the bailouts. Those pesky kid bankers. Thanks for correcting me.
Too bloody right. In more robust epochs than our own, if you failed, you and yours starved to death, if you weren't beaten to death first. Now we nurture and succour our failures, and call it a sign of character. I think the robust approach is likely more congruent with darwinian selection. And at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
Just another sign of decadence in the declining empire.
"Now we nurture and succour our failures, and call it a sign of character."
it's unfortunate you didn't understand what was being said, but go back and read it again, and maybe you will the 2nd time around. it's not that failure is good, it's that failure is how we learn; pain is a powerful teacher. if you learn from failure and improve so that you succeed the next time, it's not a failure.
"Just another sign of decadence in the declining empire."
this comment from someone who uses porn as his zh avatar?
hypocritical much?
I agree, and that's what I try to instill: Success through failure (maybe its that phoenix allegory). To not be discouraged by failure (excepting when malevolence is involved), to see that compared to what we know, there is an infinity of what we don't know (so failure in any case is more likely than not), to accept honest failure in others without antagonizing them for it, to realize that the emotions attending failure are normally momentary, even though they feel permanent.
instead of being dishonest and mis-quoting, why don't you answer the question that i put to you, LTER?
what are you afraid of?
i'll ask you again: what were you doing at the age of 16 that was so much better than what daniel was doing?
when you deliberately mis-quote someone and take quotes out of context, it's dishonest, LTER.
you, like many socialists, are dishonest liars.
you're obviously more intersted in trolling than having an intelligent discussion, so, you go have fun doing that.
bye, now.
From your comment earlier:
Do you not read your own uncited copy-paste? Even if it was inherited money, it seems a bit...um...over-the-top to compare him to a mass-murdering, genocidal dictator. Just a little a much there, even for you.
No you're right it's better we teach our kids to look to Big Brother for hand outs. That way they grow up to be self loathing progressive POS like you. Or even better stock traders.
Yo, you want some premium articles dawg?
How does one purchase a business at age 16 with piggy bank money? Especially now, as it's illegal in most places for kids at that age to have any kind of meaningful employment?
http://markstcyr.com/2012/10/08/the-problem-with-kids-today-theyre-26/
...and how much do you need to start a business now? I had a bit of a windfall recently, and "invested" a few $K into a friend's business because I was confident that he'd be successful. When I saw how much it actually cost to start up a tiny little bare-bones business, mostly due to the government fees, licenses, insurance, and other mandatory crap that has little to do with actually operating, I was shocked. I couldn't raise that kind of money, even on a decent salary, and especially not while feeding, clothing, and housing kids of my own.
So I'm with you Mr. Rand. Let people downvote you all they want, but I hope this guy also teaches his kids that 9 out of 10 businesses fail, usually because of one bad business decision. If you have to do years of "honest work" to afford to even start one of your own, you'd better not make a single bad business decision, out of all the myriad of business decisions you need to make, 'cuz before you know it, you'll be retiring in a cardboard box.
This "start your own business and beat the world" stuff is largely a myth. Might have been true once, but not now. Government red tape? Sure. Large corporations encourage the red tape, because they want to "roll up" small businesses and keep them rolled up.
Example? Mom and pop hardware store is now Home Depot.
Still beats being a parasitic lawyer, don't you think? Or am I hitting a little close to home?
Randy, we're all hypocrites. I mean, you have to start somewhere with your kids. This guy is at least doing SOMETHING, instead of packing his brats off to preschool and onwards, to be brainwashed and indoctrinated by fucking Obots who will expel his little kidlets if they eat their sandwich into the shape of a gun.
My wife and I taught our kids to read as son as they could handle it- about five. We have never had a TV, and always had books. We let the kids read whatever they wanted to.
Our kids go to public school, but really, they educate themselves. They read all the time. They are at least two grade levels above the other kids in class and they are bored with school, but that is the only downside of them educating themselves. It is a success problem.
Oh yeah, they don't have cell-phones. They whine about that sometimes, but we just tell them if they want a cell-phone they can do some jobs for the neighbors, mow grass, babysit or buck hay, and buy their own. My oldest kid is 13 and so far he hasn't wanted one badly enough to get one.
We live in a rural place. That helps a lot. When the kids aren't inside reading, they are outside doing things, hunting, fishing, riding horses. They probably do things we wouldn't want to know about, because they are kids and kids have secret lives, but they are good kids, so we don't worry too much.
So I say, good on the guy who tried to teach his kids something, even if he did have to go to walmart. Like I said, he's doing SOMETHING.
as a father of 3, i think you have to dangle carrots constantly and teach them how to think or at least to help them teach themselves how to think. i am teaching my one 6 year old how to play chess. on every move he or i make, i ask him why he made the move, what my next move would be, what his next moves will be. over and over. i want him to think and understand consequences. my other 6 year old helps me cook and do odd jobs around the house, batteries, light bulbs, outside work. he asks questions about the army (veterans day in school) and police and at 6 he understands that stealing is wrong, even if the police do it. he knows that police write tickets and steal from daddy and other daddies for 95% of their on duty time in the sticks where i am.
i cannot change the world or my country or my state but i can raise my kids right...
I asked people with kids about this a lot. Those who are trying to raise their kids with self reliance and responsibility as the core are top guns in my book but I do have to question if it is the wise path. Child raising is an investment and as such its performance is relative to specific periods of time. Given our societies tendency to punish success (per LTER) I do wonder if those determined to be self sustaining are not being put at a disadvantage. Those in the front of the FSA line for "entitlements" may likely fare much better than those still trying to "earn" their living. I don't like suggesting this but it is cause for wonder. Its just a longer term consideration of where we are now, incentivising destructive behaviors will eventually ruin it all....but until then, as many have pointed out here over the years, the ability to defy reality may well outlast those who would short it.
Read this, or listen to John Taylor Gatto....
http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/tnmfobe1196.html
It is all quite clear.
Home school. Mother stay home....
Perhaps a few lost generations are at hand....
Teach a child to be of inquiring mind, then teach them to learn how to learn....
"Home school. Mother stay home...."
It's a Cultural War, Oh Indian dude. A grand reset that will leave nothing untouched.
A home without mama is no home at all.
Exactly SB, exactly....I was lucky to grow up at a time in India when mama stayed home.
Now, my 200 yard long dead end street has two preschools in it. Kids 2 years old and up are welcome. I see Techie mamas and papas drop their wailing kids off, every day.
Done and dusted. Thus the lost generations coming...
To harbanger above, yes indeed...
I went to a homeschooling seminar once. All I really remember from it was this one quote:
If you institutionalize your kids... THEY WILL INSTITUTIONALIZE YOU.
Just so everyone knows!
"Turning a young mind over to
A Master."
Dangerous indeed.
I would argue for "critical thinking skills" and not so much "Free Thinking."
It is not paranoid to look at the same old song and dance and see it as the same old song and dance.
I would call that being "undumb" actually.
On the drive to work this morning, I saw a sign outside one of the many elementary schools I pass: "Inquire about our Before School and After School services!"
F**king great - little Johnny needs to stay at skool forever, cuz mommy and daddy are both busy slaving away to service debt.
F**king great - little Johnny needs to stay at skool forever, cuz mommy and daddy are both busy slaving away to service debt.
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welcome to 2014...its sad. i see it often
We MUST feed the machine, and more importantly we must prepare our children to do the same. If not what will come of our "civilization"?
Home schooling will not educate your children as to where to go for the best "entitlements". You don't want your kids to miss out on the free shit do you? Will the "free thinkers" end up being those living under the bridge? Those who refuse to go along with the program? Does anyone thiink that this society is becoming MORE acceptant of perspectives that disrespect the power structure?
Listen.
.gov and mega-corps dont like home school degrees. And "self" learners, oh they are scary people indeed. Those types invent things and such, terrorists for sure.
Be safe, send the kids to public school, and the movies on the weekends.
Any bully, punk, or sociopath will continue his course of action until he finds his face reduced to pulp, or finds himself hanging from a lamp post.
A predator will feed until he is defanged or destroyed.
Here's the thing - the multiplyer effect ... When trash sees fellow trash burn - that sociopath trash MODIFYS it's behavior to be - less evil.
Simple fact and human psychology.
And he still smells. Like Trash.
Agree. He only seems half-awakened. ‘The state propaganda’ – true, but only in the sense, that they are propagandizing on behalf of their corporate masters. I fail to understand how so many, otherwise well-informed, Americans don’t see this. That it is the final destination of capitalism that’s playing out – the fascist state. The merging of corporate and state power.
For some reason they see ‘private enterprise’ as being more ‘freedom-loving’ than the creature the same enterprises have created and sustained (the state) to further their interest. The ‘mom ‘n dad’ little business is a fable – all economic activity of significance is controlled by the same entities that control the states (of most of the world).
Randull
How did you access the internet to add your valuable thoughts to this dad's suggestion? How did you pay for the device and bandwidth you used? Did you use FIAT dollars? Then you too are complicit and have no stones to throw...
Dissidentdad admitte that it is a crappy mixed up world h brought kids intois bing mindful to raise kids who will row in the opposite direction to the direction of the banker overords. Take a moment from the doomporn and raise your cup of coffee to this dad and to the idea of training kids to think for themselves and to resist the dictates and direction of the NWO.
~"So you went to megastore, plugged into your public utility, squeezed some Lemons from Chile, and fired up the Chinese manufactured Keurig to teach them about self-reliance in America. Did you get some neighbors to pull over the Range Rovers?"~
Holy crap, LTER, who pissed in your lemonade? Instead of cheering a dad for teaching his kids about private enterprise, all you can do is bitch and moan about globalism! Aren't there enough kids out there already who will never have a dad who cares enough to teach them the basics of economics?
http://youtu.be/zN6MxLYB8hM
In school they are tested with pick one of the 4 answers provided.
Answer supplied go back to sleep
Homeschooling seems like a good option now.
Listen.
Home school groups are an interesting dynamic.
But if "nmewn" is in your group and he's starts talking about his "SEX" education class, RUN!
If you can put the time in home schooling would be a good choice. However, it is far more practical to AUGMENT standard schooling especially public schooling where the kids aren't really challenged. Add in some additional reading and other projects.
It would have been an even more educational if the kids had been confronted by the parasite class. A bureaucrat shutting it all down because it required a permit, licensing and health inspections. It would have been perfect if the bureaucrat was aided by an armed thug pretending to protect and serve. Maybe some threats of violence towards the kids. Baton, pepper spray, taser thrown in for good measure to teach them to submit and comply
You gotta teach the kids the tough lessons early in life
The parasite class? I think the author may be a former banker who is retired and now teaching "self-reliance," so they see him every day.
EDIT: researched this after posting. How did I guess? "Daniel purchased his first business at age 16 [when we all have money to purchase businesses because we're self-made] and his first rental property at age 18. Since then Daniel has consulted for real estate brokerages, grocery chains, stock advisers, and investment newsletters. Focusing mainly on inflation related investments and strategies, Daniel has become a top resource expert for over 200,000 people who subscribe to his FutureMoneyTrends.com Newsletter where he analyzes stocks, investment trends, and produces some of the most watched investment videos on the Internet." Hahaha. 2 and 20 investment newsletter guy who inherited money is teaching us about self-reliance. Down away you fuckers.
Listen.
I wonder now if the kids were spitting in the lemonade.
Yuck!
John Taylor Gatto.
Search him and his work and discover that their are people who spend more time thinking about your life than you do, and have built the schooling institution to staple their agenda to your head like a cancerous tumor.
Once I understood the origins of compulsory public schooling and its real aims I was more pissed off than when I realized 9/11 was a fraud.
Read all about it...!
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf
Thank you for posting the link.
Have visually scanned the text, it's quite long - 420 pages excluding gloassary etc, 700+ pages pdf file - and will read the whole thing later ; looks very interesting from the out takes already read..
I raise Rebels. My little Ladies of Liberty will be taught right.
Listen.
Right on!
The challenges of raising free thinking minds - are we serious - is this article coming out of the United States - REALLY. Can we start with a discussion on the great invisible grey bearded skyman and indoctrinating children with the teachings of the bible.
You can't have both. You can't indoctrinate children with any particluar bible and still have free thinking children.
You can certainly expose children to the teachnings of the bible but additionally you have to expose them to all bibles and all religions and then also teach them that they are free to chose whether they want to continue to follow the religions in adult and indeed which religion they want to follow.
ANYTHING ELSE IS INDOCTRINATION AND NOT CONDUCIVE TO FREE THINKING.
WATCH ALL THE CHRISTIANS RUN FOR THE HILLS.
I am formally Christian, but now agnostic (yet still believe there is something more to life than this)...... With that pre-tense, let me begin..........
I believe (actually HOPE is a better word since I do not know the author enough to judge) the author wouldn't mind if their kid was gay, Muslim, Christian, OR WHATEVER....as long as the person valued life and people with the respect they deserve.
I am on board for that.
I was brought up Irish Catholic (but also taught Church of England ways).... yet I was giving the range and ability to free think. Eventually I became agnostic and the family supported it and even wanted to know (FOR REAL) the reasons and aspects. It was awesome in that aspect.
Congratulations from a former indocrinated soul, but I'm sorry, do you want a cookie for that statement?
It's obvious and as an adulut you should know that. However, if you teach your children the same shite (according to tradition) then what makes your children think any better?
How about the idea of teaching children morals without the idea of a man in the cloud. Hmmm???? I know, revolutionary, but congrats on your personal revelation. I hope you pass that traditon along...
And while I disagree with you to a point, I am giving you a vote up because most are going to vote you down without understanding the exact place you are coming from and MOST ARE TROLLS.
I vote up comments that I MAY NOT EVEN AGREE WITH....AS LONG AS THEY HAVE LOGIC AND CAN BE A VOICE OF DEBATE!
But surely TB, in this respect I am right, categorically and absolutely. We must let children decide for themselves what belief system they follow and the only possible way to do this is teach them about all religions and all beliefs. Theology should have absolutely no specially reserved status in teaching. A good hsitory student should know history as it is written by western civilisation and eastern civilisation, otherwise they are indoctrinated by defintion. It's simple.
If christianity is so good and so right then given exposure to all beliefs this is the one all people will eventually chose (funny how it doesn't quite work out this way). The utter hubris of parents indoctrinating their children in one belief system is stunning. Let them chose. Let them have the freedom to denounce their parents beliefs and have their own. Let them be free.
As I've stated many times before, this has got nothing to do with god and everything to do with human ego.
END - OF - STORY.
i AGREE with most of your point. Only point I disagree with is that to "not teach them is indoctornation". My parents didn't teach me EVERY RELIGION. However they supported me wanting to ask questions and learn more. The biggest thing (might be the only thing) I disagree with you on!!!
mostly agree with your sentiment, but, it sounds like you are suggesting that christianity is one specific thing, clearly defined.
i don't think that is correct - there's as many christianities as there are christians. eveyone who would call themself a christian believes something a little (or a lot) different from others who also claim to be christians.
the point being, it's not whether one is a christian that matters, or whether one is a jew, muslim, or athiest that matters.
there are both good and shitty examples of each type.
the truth cannot be simplified and distilled into "belong to club X" as the right answer.
If you teach your children the scientific method and how to solve problems with its methodology, the issue of regligion is quite moot. Superstition of all types is incompatible with science. Even more importantly, they will know how to pose a hypothesis and empirically test their or other's ideas. They will understand that if a building falls in a symmetrical debris pile at the free fall rate that a timed removal of its supports from the bottom to the top is the only explanation consistent with the law of momentum conservation. They will also understand that if a posited controlling independent variation, say, CO2, increases with time yet the posited dependent variable, temperature, T stays constant, then this greenhouse gas is not a variable that can cause temperture to rise via a retained heat mechanism. And they'll be able to build and design their own heating, electrical and cooling systems as a practical bonus.
Teach them that the SM is limited, nothing more than a tool.
It cannot disprove an experience anymore than it can attempt to prove something in 500 years that grade school kids will know, but that we have not one idea about now.
Here you reveal your own biases and irrationalities:
""They will understand that if a building falls in a symmetrical debris pile at the free fall rate that a timed removal of its supports from the bottom to the top is the only explanation consistent with the law of momentum conservation.""
I know of no building that fell in a symmetrical debris pile at a free fall rate. WTC fell at 80% of free fall or slower - time the videos - and the debris was funneled down the chimney that was the exterior of the building, causing non-symmetrical dust clouds to form.
A timed removal of supports from bottom to top would require miles of det cord, and that stuff is visible and audible when ignited, and there is a 10 second or greater delay from the detcord ignition to the building submitting to gravity.
You have a faith-based belief system, just like any other Religion.
"I know of no building that fell in a symmetrical debris pile at a free fall rate."
You are quite mistaken. See this:
WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part III)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw
The building instantly went from full support to zero support and the top section of the building collapsed at a rate indistinguishable from free fall for 2.5 seconds.
In order for this to have occurred, all 24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns would have to have been removed simultaneously over the span of eight floors low in the building, and in such a way that the top half of the building remained intact and uncrumpled (i.e., controlled demolition). This could not have been the result of the failure of a column or a few columns, or a sequence of column failures.
Here is Europe's top demolition expert confirming that WTC 7 was in fact brought down by controlled demolition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I
"A timed removal of supports from bottom to top would require miles of det cord."
Nope. It could have been done with wireless detonators.
Science is fine and good.Don't think anyone with any thinking ability would ignore science but we should understand also that science is a constantly evolving theme. Further science has been the tool of thieves and much worse since the beginning of time. Besides, while I would never accept any dogmatic religion, it appears this "respect" for education and science is being used to trump and silence a lot of common sense. Watching Gruber explain how he must lie and deceive we ignorant masses regarding ACA says a lot to me about how our education and elitist mentality is every bit as dogmatic and ultimately oppressive as any religion.
The reality is that there is no formula, process or system that will ensure that we maintain a healthy and questioning mind that still allows us to prosper. People are lazy and will always seek the easiest shortest path to our most short term objectives. Throw in an interested party that sees a bigger picture for their "interests" and a little coercion, a little free crap, a little pat on the head, is sometimes all it takes for us to abandon our own true self interests. Survival is about diligence, always working, always thinking, always looking ahead as far as humanly possible.
So you view being taught such precepts as the 10 Commandments is a threat to free thinking, but you ignore (by its absence in your comments) the brainwashing and indoctrination of secular humanism, multiculturalism and progressivism bellowed at students in primary, secondary and tertiary education. But as long as our children can protected from knowledge about the possibility of God, then they'll be safe to be "free thinkers". The irony of your position should be kept clear of any magnet.
Point! Manic by Proxy!
rubbish:
""but you ignore (by its absence in your comments) the brainwashing and indoctrination of secular humanism, multiculturalism and progressivism bellowed at students in primary, secondary and tertiary education.""
to suggest that he supports secular brainwashing because he didn't specifically speak out against it, is pure crap.
IR, you didn't mention in your post that nazis are evil - why do you love hitler so much?
WTF does anything have to do with nazis? Nonsensical.
Oh, no no no no no, not that easy Proxy. We are talking degrees here. Christianity has been rammed down the throats of people for centuries, many times violently. It's had a good run and creating a system whereby people were too scared/embarrassed to criticize it. That era is finished. Wider and wider segments of society are rebelling against it, it's only natural.
Go ahead and teach your children about the possibility of god but tell them the truth, we don't really know. Teach them that there is a scientific method for examining the universe and that science has never found any evidence of god. Be honest, that can't be too much to ask.
Nor has science disproved God's existence. Nor has science answered the most basic questions about our existence.
I wonder if the people who control science even care about those questions.
Not a fan of organized religion, including the religion of "science".
We go to church, and we encourage the kids to read the Bible. But we don't tell them what to think about it. They start thinking, because the Bible has a lot of stories in it that on the surface are really fucked up. Why did God accept Abel's offering and not Cain's? Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice Issac and then change His mind at the last minute?
So we have already started hearing these questions. How do you get your kids to think for themselves? You let them stew for a while. Let them think God was being unfair. After all, these are kids who know what it's like to hoe weeds in the garden. They know how hard Cain worked. So we bring that up, and then we let them know that salvation isn't about works, it's a free gift. Then we send them off to think about that for a while. They have all figured out the answer to the Cain question on their own, and we didn't give them a pat answer.
The Bible is just a book. It has questions, not answers. The Pope doesn't want people to think for themselves so he forbids the reading of the bible. He wants everyone to just get by with the pat answers. Anyone who reads the Bible, and wrestles with the questions, will learn to think for themselves.
All the answers are there. Just gotta study it for yourself and don't let some preacher "tell you" what it says.
What do you mean 'all the answers are there'? Answers to what? You speak as if the bible is factual, that the answers are factual. They are not. They cannot be. They are too wildly open to interpretation. I don't get what goes on inside your minds to think there are some over arching absolute truths there. The bottom line is - as you stated yourself - you go away and figure it out for yourself. Now just take away the security blanket that is the bible and you are a free thinking, free entity who has the ability to figure stuff out.
Are you seriously going to tell me you need a bible to determine right from wrong. What planet am I on? Can you not infer that if you murder someone then there's are pretty good chance the person you are murdering will be suffering horror - and you know horror would be . . . . um . . . . horrible . . . and that not much good would come of this act . . . . . . and all the family and friends of the person you are murdering would also suffer and on balance the negatives of mudering this person far outway the positives . . . . . . and well, the world would be sort of an unpleasant place if we all did this . . . . . . so, hey, let's not murder people.
I am at a loss, really am, that adult humans beings need a book to tell them what to do when we have a device inside out skulls virtually infinitely more complex and refined than a bloody bible.
Threadjack much?
So if you believe that what your toddler just found on the floor is poisonous, it is overbearing soul crushing initiation of force to take it from them or to tell them no? Pulease
We, who strive to be intellctually honest, truthers, have a moral responsibility to teach out kids what we believe is the truth. The state will deny you that right because you believe it is beneficial to grow and utilize certain herbs and it will deny me that right because I believe in teaching kids to obey the old man in the sky (that said treat others like you want to be treated) than to obey every douche with a badge.
As a father of more than a few, I can tell you I would not stone or disown a child who chose a different path, but that doesnt mean I have no right to heavily instruct them in what I believe is true and right and good.
WHY, OH WHY, DO YOU NEED AN OLD MAN IN THE SKY TO TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED.
Do you realise that treating others as you want to be treated is a virtually guaranteed attribute of a successful society. Evolution will guarantee this. Otherwise the society and thereby everyone in it, will perish. There may have been many examples of society in the past where this was not a characteristic and those societies disappeared.
Man, it's bizarre beyond belief that we just can't think for ourselves. Here I am trying to convince people that children should be allowed to prosper as free thinking entities when you parents can't even operate as free thinking entities. You seem to need the instruction or guidance of an ancient book.
UNBELIEVABLE.
We don't have children on Q99X2.
What's up with all the haters? I have kids (two daughters) and really like what he says. Wow. I found it incomprehensible that people would actually tell him it was irresponsible to bring children into the world. What sad, controlled little minds...
Well, I cannot tell a lie. Before thinking about kids myself, when I first "took the red pill", I wondered how anybody could have kids in this era.
Now I see the possiblities and am not scared of them. Maybe my kid, or nieces/nephews can be THE CHANGE (or catalyst for change) society needs....whether on a micro level or a macro level!
I understand the pessimistic view though (since I have been there!)!!!!
Sooner or later our propensity for exponential population growth is going to bite us hard. There is no escaping this. Mother nature is going to start cashing the cheques we have been writing for the last few millenia but especially since the discovery of cheap oil.
I suspect the chickens will come home to roost in my lifetime and the potential horror to unfold will be off the charts. In exactly what form this will occur I'm not sure but I remember debating with my dad when I was 16 that I thought it would come in the form of pandemic or nuclear war. These two guesses are probably still pretty good. Why people refuse to acknowledge this, I put down to fear.
So for those who are unlucky enough to have brought children into the world when this happens I suspect their suffering will be magnified horribly. Then the pessimism will have been well founded. Until then it's sort of like a game of hot potatoe with one generation handing off the hot potatoe to the next.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_popu...
The Bible says "woe unto those with little ones" when God unleashes
his wrath upon the Earth. I always envisioned chaos and war like conditions throughout the world as I got into adulthood and low and behold that is exactly what we have in the world today. Go figure? Malthusian
doctrine was right IMHO, I agree with you when it comes to overpopulation.
Having kids is dissenting to the population reduction agenda. Just doing our duty to resist evil.
If we were to adopt permaculture techniques and live in self sufficient small communities, resource depletion and population growth would slow and become sustainable.
It is cities that are unsustainable as by definition they are raping some other area of its resources in order to exist, usually at the point of a gun.
We are a little different. When asked at a Cub Scout meeting how to stay safe, my son answered "always carry a gun on you". I was very proud that he has already learned guns are good when used in the right way and not something to be afraid of. He sees me with a concealed firearm everyday, so its totally normal for him.
He also tried his hand at door to door direct sales last weekend. He drew some pictures, and went around the neighborhood trying to sell them for 50 cents. He got rejected a bunch but came home with 3.00 after about 45 minutes. He was elated at making that money because he made something out of nothing. It was remarkable. I feel the future is bright.
AWESOME!!! A life lesson he will value forever (even if he forgets it in his main conscious). You must be proud....and hopefully will continue to be prided by him and his accomplishments and decisions!
If you really want your son to get a taste of the future, have him try to sell some drawings for $.50, but just as he's trying to close the deal, a little Mexican boy walks up and tries to sell the same resident his hand drawn piece of art...for $.10
That's probably a little more realistic scenario he's bound to encounter.
Lol. I totally did something like that with my son. I had him gather pine straw from the woods for mulch rather than buy it at a big box store and agreed to pay him $3 per wheelbarrow. When he finished I paid him $2 per wheelbarrow and explained the income tax. Needless to say, made a memory :)
The Internet has made raising my children as critical thinkers much easier than it would have been otherwise.
Education: First an foremost, I am able to use many different sites and resources to educate them. Whether it be math, programming, or economics, it's out there and available for use. Thanks Khan Academy. Great access to resources on the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I guess, according to the DC US, I'm raising little "terrorists."
Multi-views: I am able to expose them to many views, not just mine, or their teachers. I show them, and encourage them, to seek out contrarian views to mine, others in their lives and their own. To hold an opinion, or count something as knowledge, one must also know the basics of the other side.
Debunking: They have seen all of the videos, etc., debunking Sandy Hook, Boston "Boom," etc,. I have not only spent a lot of time watching the videos with them, but teaching them how to watch and interpret such data with a critical eye. "Is it possible to take shrapnel to the body that only shreds clothes?"
Tyranny: They have seen the videos of Waco and OKC more times they would like to admit, but they need to see tyranny in all of its glory to understand the truth of government. "Land of the free, and the home of the brave" my ass.
Treason and tyranny of the gun and badge thugs: While I hate what they do, the monthly video sit downs with my kids do more to inform them of the true nature of government, and the DC US' government's treason and tyranny, than anything I could create. The one of Kelly Thomas calling out for his dad while the thugs pummel him to death still resonates. The latest: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=48750
An American, not US subject.
And great resources on guillotines.
I'm back for one comment.
Someone should call CPS on you. You're a fucking moron.
SANDYHOOK IS REAL, DIPSHIT.
I wish I could see you attempt to tell one of the parents of the slain kids that Sandyhook was a false flag.
God help your brainwashed kids.
So you dont know about CPS? Please shut up.
Yeah call CPS.
As if CPS is going to raise his children in a wholesome environment. /super sarc!
Minimum wage group home staff that don't give a shit, forcible medications, drug abuse, fights, gang violence, self multilation, suicides, molestations, hazing, more fights, theft, all kinds of crap goes on. Those children will be exposed to some real fun stuff.
Then the kids bounce from shelter to shelter, to group home, back to another shelter, to a mental hospital, back to the shelter again, then off to juvenile detention, then back to a shelter. Oh BTW you're 18 now, here's a check now go get a job and put a roof over your head with ZERO life skills.
People living in the suburbs with a silver spoon in their mouths have no idea in the world what goes on in the CPS system.
What grinds my gears is these "pro-lifers" are absolutely nowhere to be found. Once the fetus is born, they don't give a $@#%!
With so MANY DOCUMENTED FALSE FLAGS, is it so far reaching to thing SandyHook was. Also, to say something is a false flag is different than saying it didn't happen.
My belief is that it happened....but to see CNN show parents who had been SEEN as crisis actors in previous "prevention episodes" was a little weird and is what gives me SOME DOUBT ....(doubt that everything is "truth" of what is being told to us)
So don't hate on the parent being skeptical. I would be more worried about people who are UNSKEPTICAL of all that is told to them!
C'mon, have the balls to call a spade a spade. Sandy Hook was a pretty pathetic attempt at drama. Even the FBI stats didn't include Sandy Hook "murders." It's obvious that the whole gig was staged. Portable bathrooms showing up in 30 minutes and stuff?!?!?!
Please Don't insult our intelligence
Wolfgang Halbig
Enough said on Sandy Hoax.
Fuck. This is exactly what I'm taking about right here. "Call CPS"... you would feel delighted watching loving parents lose their kids? Sick fuck.
I won't pontificate on whether Sandy Hook was real or not, but I lived just South in CT, played in a band in Newtown with a guy who's wife taught at the other school there. He called me immediately crying that day. He didn't know any of the people affected, however, and Newtown is small. Believe what you want. It's suspect that the one father was caught on tape cracking up and joking before giving an interview at the Police station and suddenly turned on the water works. I just lost a person I cared deeply for and could not do that. If it were my child I couldn't speak public ally in any way.
Calling CPS on someone for being skeptical is as bitchass as it gets. Fuck You. I'm sure if we were to send the Feds to crawl up your perfect ass they'd find some shit wrong. You're a smarmy narc and snitches get stitches.
I OBVIOUSLY mentioned CPS in jest. Morons. As if teaching your kids madeup things was illegal (you good old Jesus freaks I'm talking about you! , Muslims, etc) ....but I digress.
My god, this board has turned into the scariest bunch of alternative reality believing people on this earth.
You guys make madrasa in Pakistan look educated.
FACTS:
Sandyhook, sadly, is real (I know I know those crisis actors make it hard to discern...)
9/11....also real
Boston Bombing, although much overblown, again, real
Pearl Harbor....real
The sun sets in the west.....real
The earth is not flat.....real
The bible is true in any way shape or form.....sadly, guys, no.
Man I have stop,wasting my time with you freaks, it's like an endless run of last nights South Park episode.
The Bible is a book. The rest like everything, including the Bible, should be questioned. I'm ok with believing the sun sets in the West. The point is to think critical and be critical, which was showcased at the ire to your stupid comment.
Good one.
Facts are facts.
You can think critically WHY 9/11 happened, not if.
There are not two sides to every story.
You morons can think Obama's (excuse me Hussein Obama as you all would call him) coming for your guns when in reality he doesn't give 1/5 of a fuck about you.
I mean how could he? You people are devoid of all hope.
There is no rationalizing with people who think up is down and right is left.
Oh damn, there I go again, not thinkin critically!
I probably watcha bit too (or is it just one o?...) mucha that lame stream media...
Is that enough S. Palin for ya?
You obviously are a rabid fan of consuming fluoride in your water. ( yes, that's also true.) or maybe you've contracted that recently discovered virus that makes people stupid.
Looks like you have posted more than one comment SilverBullet.
I guess I am a conspiracy nut who thinks down is actually up, because I noticed you posted more than one comment! :P
First, I did not downvote you, SB. The Bible is indeed 'true' if you actually read it and analyze your thoughts as you progress through the work. I am an avid fan of metaphysics and the historiography of metaphysicians so I have an admitted bias towards truth. The King James Bible is the best approximation of truth/epistemology that I have ever encountered in my many years of reading metaphysics. I always advocate reading the Bible because it has one of the largest readerships in the world when it comes to books that have a common readership base. Look at the Bible as a book
to read when you feel like getting into some introspection. A life without introspection is a life not lived. One must eat the marrow of life and all that jazz, eh. Self actualization requires introspection on the part of the adept.
If it was real, it was an orchestrated event. The website for collecting donations for sandy hook was set up days before the event happened.
Don't you know koolaid is bad for you?
As far as the Boston bombing goes, it has always been curious to me that the government shut down the entire city of Boston to search for the surviving bomber. They had every police state asset; men, dogs, helicopters with infrared cameras, armored vehicles, etc. Yet they never "found" the bomber even though he was hiding a few hundred yards from where his car was found. Some citizen found the bomber when the curfew was lifted. I believe the curfew was a trial by the government to see what citizens are willing to subject themselves to out of fear. The opposite hypothesis would be to believe that the government regardless of unlimited funding is unable to protect because of rampant incompetence.
When my kids were little we would toss them curve balls.
I say we will go the day after trundel bug day. They hit the roof. There is no such thing. It went on all the way home. They told MOM! She caught on fast and says I cant talk now. The debate went on. Finaly they gave up called me nuts. A few minutes later they came back swinging. You still have to take us to the movie jerk!
They learn fast.
We did private Christian school which was excellent but I think the key to kept the indoctrination at bay was nightly family dinners which my husband and I had as kids. This was a time to review the day and question ideas. Once they were in high school we saw our fruits really take effect.
I always insisted they be polite but I was in the principals office quite a few times when they stuck to their points of view. One teacher called me in because my eldest called her assignment a waste of time and had given her an F. When I read it over, she clearly stated to give an opinion about the project. I asked why she gave her an F. "Because your daughter is disrespectful." My daughter was honest and stated why she felt it was a waste of time. Opposing your view is not disrespect. "I am tired of your daughter undermining my classroom and I want you to address this with her." This is between both of you and I stand by my daughter. I walked out and the grade remained.
My daughters GPA was not stellar because of "belligerence" which cost her a guaranteed entrance into UC system. She went to a small private university, did well and got a good job quickly. Allowing your child to be themselves and find their own way teaches you more about yourself as a person. This takes great courage to allow risk and possible failure. Yes, many a night I lay awake flooded in doubt and worry but thankfully I didn't succumb to the temptation to run her life.
Miffed
Good job. My mother was an elementary teacher for 45 years and I'm a semester away from my M.Ed....I'm basically getting it to either homeschool my kid and/or be more educated than almost anyone I meet about my children's schooling. We plan on either private or Catholic. I will not allow anyone to fuck with my kids. That's where I'll get nasty. I remember when my first was born. I knew then and there what it felt like to know your actually die for another human being. She made me get interested in liberty and was the catalyst to me awakening:
We chose Lutheran and I was very happy with what we got. However, it was not cheap. Looking back, homeschooling would have been a better choice.
A lot of our problems stemmed from society and the other parents. We wanted our kids to have a childhood like ours. Organized sports were pushed and we just wanted them to play and have Huck Finn adventures ( OMG, they will be raped by wandering child molestors!) several of their friends were not allowed to come to our house because we didn't supervise properly ( let all the kids play in the seasonal creek and trashed her leather seats). One child was not allowed to our house because our liqueur was not locked up ( reeeaaally? She is six I don't see a problem. But they can start that young, I've read it in magazines!).
My husband and I joked we free ranged our kids. Gave them a lot of freedom and responsibilities, more than most kids their age. We never hovered. Most parents spent hours at night doing homework. We told our kids we worked full time to give them food and shelter. That was our job as parents. Their job was to get reasonable grades and do their assigned chores. Parents seem to smother their children today and promote conformity rather than creativity and critical thought.
Miffed
My husband and I (40) were raised as free range kids. We talk about it all the time, the freedom we had. Now we live in a world where you can't do ANYTHING without someone else's permission, and it drives us crazy.
We don't have kids, so I can't speak to that. But I can say that it takes a very special type of parents to let your kids have freedom and yet also stand up for them (like in the principal's office, where my parents often were summoned) when they are standing up for their own beliefs. I thank my parents for that, and I'm sure your kids thank you.
"My husband and I (40) were raised as free range kids."
So were my brothers and I. We had an amazing amount of freedom as kids. I was so blessed with how my parents chose to raise me.
I tell people I had a stay at home mom and she stayed at home and told us kids to get the hell out of the house and not to come back until the street lights came on.
LOL, that is exactly right. In the summer, the kids spent the entire day outside. Otherwise, we had to be inside cleaning! We stayed outside until the sun went down. Thirsty? Drink out of the hose. Hungry? Whichever house you happened to be at during lunch hour....somebody's mom would feed you a sandwich.
Good times. :)
Me too, Duc888.....so blessed.
@ Miffed.
Thank You posting and furnishing me not only with the pleasure of the reading yet also the knowledge that there are people the likes of You in this world.
We sent our 4 to private christian schools even though my wife and I were not exactly "Christian" and we had access to top public suburban schools. Few regrets. Like Miffed, our oldest is a highly inedependent thinker and bristled under the opression of the HS. Elementary and junior high were fine for him though.
I teach my kids, you only have one life and only you can live it. Be respectfull, do not judge others, think for yourself and enjoy what you do and be good at it. When they got older I told them to think twice about joining military or do anything that involved murder as there was no good in it except for self defense only. and that is only in the extremist of cases.
They turned out well. Like all of us, no one is perfect. However we can learn from our mistakes, if we care to admit we make them to ourselves. Some people can't handle looking in the mirror and seeing the truth, they would rather lie to themselves.
I have a 4 year old and an 8 year old, after exposing the 8 year old to the both public and private schools in Chicago, I agreed with my wife to place them in a private school outside of the United States owned by two guys from Scotland. 5hey couldn't be happier and I couldn't be happier.
Wish I was put in Private School often.
Do your children board ( private school outside of the USA ?) or grow up within the family with you ?
The 2 total fucks at Krieger's blog are total fucks. Here's (ie, non-Krieger) total fuck #2:
Parents today carry a heavy burden. We need to counter state propaganda, protect our children’s minds from corporatism, while at the same time, do everything we can to teach them to think for themselves.
So, the only 2 bad guys are the state and corporatism.
OK, Dissident Dad, a question: Are there any other potential bad guys?
Oh, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I'm asked you to think. Please forgive me. You don't need to think, since you have it all figured out: The only 2 bad guys are the state and corporatism.
Are you OK yet? Blowing into a paper bag helps with hyperventilating, you know, Dissident Dad. Yea. Works, doesn't it? Again, sorry, that I tried to make you think.
You OK? Good, then let's try again. A different question: Could you be a little more specific than "the state"? You know, "the state" covers -- well -- in this era of Obamaism, just about practically fucking everything.
"Suck, fuck, shit, piss, cunt, cock, crap!", to quote one of the lines from that great work of art, Candy. There I go again. After apologizing for making you think, you would have thought my apology implied I wouldn't do it again. Sorry, but I'm a conservative; ergo, I think 24/7, and expect everyone else to think as continuously as I do. It appears we're at odds. You know everything and don't need to think, and I know a few things so need to think all the time.
Anyway, good luck with your kids. I pray that, sooner rather than later, they realize their dad is an idiot.
I was raised by a Chartered Accountant that informed me of the cost of raising a child from birth to the age of 18 every year. Suffice to say that
I realized early on that I did not want to be a slave to the responsibility of parenting when I reflected on disposable income. Looking back on the stats
of income inequality over the last 40 years I can see why I came to the conclusion that being single with no kids was the only lifestyle for moi.
Some people are meant to be parents and some people are meant to think before they procreate and calculate the cost of that kind of behaviour. An old girlfriend of mine visited me the other day and she is divorsed with two
20 something kids to worry about for the remainder of her life. Not my kind of thing to do IMHO. Let the 1%ers have all the kids given that they have all the disposable income. Let the 1%ers kids be the new slaves of de Rothschild Bank and not mine, thanks.
Bravo. Well stated.
I am of the exact same mindset.
What do you know about a Think Tank trying to bring down our state & city Governments> Think Tank State Budget Solutions.
Now it begins, Detroit was the Beta Test.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/13/report-state-budgets-fudge-nu...
They see big pensions and can't stand waiting for crisis, have to create the Crisis.
It is as old as War. Create Peons & Debt.
Predatory Capitalism is action.
Many Financial Beta Tests;
- Bail Out
- Bail In
- EU & Euro
- Post Office Liabilities to Heath Care
- Sub-Prime Loans
- S&L Crisis
- QE & 5 years of ZIRP
- No investment Interest for Savings Accounts
- Ninja Loans & foreclosures
- Rehypothicated mortgages
- Price Fixing commodities & LIBOR
You are a pair of evolutionary losers. As I said above, at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
Anyway I appreciate your making it easier for my spawn to succeed.
One in 12 chinese men is a direct descendent of Genghis Khan Ponder that if you will. It suggests he was an evolutionary success, but it's way too early to be sure of that. You two, however, I can be certain are failures.
Designing fragile nuclear fuel disposal systems and creating a positive feedback open-loop system of radiative exposure to all lifeforms. (not talking about Chinese descendants)
You call that an evolutionary success? Genghis worship won't help you when your friends are dying of cancer.
Perspective...
By that logic all these members of the FSA having 20 kids by 20 different women is evolutionary success, but I see it as failure on every other level.
Perhaps it is time to adjust what evolutionary success means.
It is time to move beyond just showing up, in numbers, with some of your DNA and mitochondria living longer than you do, and defining that as ''success''.
You are absolutely correct. It's ironic in an article about critical thinking that there is so little of it about.
Every person alive today has an uninterrupted 4 billion year history of life behind them. If you don't have children for whatever reason, you are by definition, an evolutionary dead end.
I'm not worried about the kids, they rightly think adults are nuts. They hate Michelle Obama's horrible lunches and roll their eyes at global warming lecturing.
You can have all the free thinking in your head. But if you don't own any means of production in this system, you will still end up like a slave.
"Karl Marx, who knew quite a bit about the human tendency to fall down and worship our own creations, wrote Das Kapital in an attempt to demonstrate that, even if we start from the economists’ utopian vision, so long as we also allow some people to control productive capital, and, again, leave others with nothing to sell but their brains and bodies, the results will be in very many ways barely distinguishable from slavery, and the whole system will eventually destroy itself."
—David Graeber,Debt: The First 5,000 Years, 2011
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Go....
.....meditate
Bitchez ! !! !!! !!!!! !!!!!!!!
And then some of you gold hoarding fux give her some money.
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Missing from most discussions about raising children is that of sexuality. David Brahinsky, in his book Reich and Gurdjueff – Sexuality and the Evolution of Consciousness, begins to explore perhaps the most powerful suppression of a child's individuality. The following are a few excerpts from that book.
This presentation of Gurdjieff's ideas and Reich's theories therefore cannot be taken as anything close to being definitive. Because their work is so profound no summary, analysis, interpretation, or criticism can hope to capture their voices or to replace a study of their own writings. It is hoped that this book will stimulate such a study in individuals who have yet to do so and who consider themselves genuinely interested in awakening.
For it is my thesis that awakening, in Gurdjieff's sense, requires full capacity of what he called the "sexual center" — sexual health, in other words. To understand the nature of sexual health, however, I maintain, requires Reich. Gurdjieff did not explain it nor do I believe has anyone else but Reich.
I cannot prove these assertions, of course, for we do not as yet know how to measure awakening nor is it easy to measure sexual health. But there are ways of determining more or less what Reich called "orgastic potency" — Reich's term for sexual health, which I hope to explain in the text. My own experience working with individuals and groups for the past twenty-five years has made me a believer and I feel compelled to share those insights with those interested.
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Reich came to believe suppression of sexuality is of fundamental significance in armor formation and development of emotional illness. Sexual feelings are extremely powerful and until suppressed, are experienced as normal, very pleasurable sensations. Children have no idea that those feelings that give such pleasure are so ‘wrong.’
Not all suppression of sexuality is carried out with overt violence or obvious hostility. But when it is, infants and children are put in the position of having to defend themselves. First of all, the infant or child must inhibit its behavior as a means of self protection. Of course, hostility can come in various forms, the form of overt violence — an adult might shout at or strike a child when the child touches its genitals or engages in sex play with other children, for example — or the hostility can be more subtle — the adult might express disgust, moral indignation, shame, or indifference. When children are inhibited in sex play they are forced, to begin with, to pull their hands from their genitals. If the inhibition is consistent, they become afraid to touch their genitals. This means they must keep their hands away from ‘there,’ even when an impulse to touch arises, particularly when in the company of others.
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It can be seen then, that behavior on the part of adults that we consider perfectly reasonable, moral, and in the best interests of the child — suppression of genitality which, in children, of course, cannot result in pregnancy, often the rationale given for suppression of adolescent sexuality, leads to chronic muscular armoring. Suppression of sexual feelings is crucial therefore, not only because it is suppression of a powerful, essential urge in itself, which feels to the one being stifled as if their very being is at stake, but also because suppression of this urge leads to massive armoring, armoring of the entire body in all the segments.
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Infants and children obviously have no understanding of what is happening to them when adults condemn their natural expressions and can take the hostile reactions in only one way, as an expression or a statement, that what they feel is “bad,” that what they wish to express is “bad.” In other words, such suppression is taken as a comment on their very essence, that they, in essence, are bad. This attitude towards the living is very well expressed in the popular conception of the doctrine of original sin, which is an obvious cultural and institutional expression of the feelings of a large segment of the adult world towards infants, children, sexuality, and life itself.
Adolescence
By the time we reach adolescence, our character structure has become a many-layered labyrinth. At the “bottom” are the core or essence drives which continue to pulse. On top of them or surrounding them, the armor used to inhibit these drives which is layered according to the time the various impulses were suppressed and the intensity of the suppression. This layer is covered over by the facade, the “face” we present to the world and to ourselves.
To speak of armor as a labyrinth is to imply that it is not neatly layered but that the combination of core drives, suppressed emotions and impulses, anxiety, and the facade, intertwine in ways that are often confusing. The nature of the labyrinth depends on the timing and the severity of the suppression, but generally, according to Reich, as mentioned, the earlier the suppression occurs, the deeper will be the armoring.15 It develops differently if repression occurs when the impulse is at its peak of intensity or if it occurs when it is weaker. These and other factors determine the type of labyrinth that develops, the “character type.”
Is it any, wonder that adolescence is a difficult time? During this period sexual impulses become organized around the genitals and the urge to superimpose or mate with a lover begins to surface. The labyrinth of armor is already well formed and added to the tension this produces is the fact that these genital impulses are not allowed free expression.
Teenagers are not told that this is a wonderful time to explore their sexuality. Parents don’t offer their homes for uninhibited, guilt-free sexual activity — condoms provided. This sounds ridiculous or horrible to most of us; immoral. Thus the damage done by sexual suppression in childhood is intensified in adolescence, and the armoring needed to deal with such suppression can only evolve and rigidify. In Gurdjieff’s terms, false personality and the buffers gain in strength at the expense of the essence.
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Adolescent neurotic symptoms, like adult neurotic symptoms, are expressions of the conflict between the core and the armor. The symptoms, therefore, are distorted core impulses, impulses that, before emerging, must make their way through the labyrinth of the armor and are shaped by it. Adolescents often become overtly hostile, pick fights, commit crimes, drive recklessly, and so on. .....
.....adolescents are sexually suppressed at a time when genital urges are powerful. This leads to anger, anxiety, deep frustration, heartbreaking sadness, resignation, aching longing, and the need to escape. The fact that many teenagers make it through this period without exhibiting severe or overt symptoms is testimony to the power of the life force, not to “civilized” suppression.
This is not to imply that all problems of adolescence can be solved via sexual intercourse. Sex is not a panacea. But we’ve “tried” the opposite approach for a long time now and the adolescent problem has not gone away. Might we take a cue from the Trobrianders and learn from Reich’s discoveries that our approach perhaps has been misguided? It is not as if we have no evidence within our midst of the value of sex-positive upbringing. There are those who have loving, sex-positive parents and so develop relatively unarmored regarding their own sexuality. It cannot be easy for them, seeing as they must seek gratifying relationships and meaningful work in an armored, hostile, and resigned world. But at least they have their core intact and may be able to find some satisfaction in life.
The best way to insure your children will develop clear and critical thinking skills is to prevent toxic injury from occurring.
The Poisoning Agenda of our hidden rulers
Our EU Organized Crime hidden rulers understand how to capture and induce a blind loyalty to the Establishment.
They have added poisons to the food, water and medicine in order to induce anxiety and fear that stampedes the toxically injured into the perceived safe harbor of the Establishment.
Toxic Injury through GMOs, vaccines, HFCS and poison-based farming are among a long list of hazards. Our hidden rulers are protecting the Big Money that is the secret Fed banking scams and not just industry profits from pesticides or chemotherapy.
To protect the far more lucrative Fed banking scams requires that the entire population be chemically dumbed-down to disable all threats to the Fed counterfeiting and embezzlement racket.
The capturing and disabling process of the public starts within hours of birth, while an infant is desperate to develop a strong immune system, with a toxic Hepatitis vaccine loaded with mercury, aluminum, MSG neurotoxin and formaldehyde embalming fluid.
And that’s before we discuss the infectious agent that starts a virtual brush fire in the brain for life. See neurosurgeon Dr Russell Blaylock’s expose of the known hazards of vaccines that the CDC has suppressed for over 80 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB3xcN_eoPo
To vaccinate infants for a skid row bums disease acquired from dirty needles should tip off intelligent people that something is amiss.
Just like the adding of cupric sulfate pesticide into infant formula or the adding of mercury to vaccines that are 25000 times EPA acceptable levels in drinking water.
The sheeple have no clue that they are an extinct, poisoned species that was captured 100 years ago in the 1913 Fed Act by EU Organized Crime and their army of Jesuit, Masonic and Zionist agents using secrecy, fraud, bribery and death threats to attain their goals and disabling and capturing through Toxic Injury potential challengers to their domination.
"I believe the solution to the corruption that surrounds us is to raise up a new generation of sovereign thinkers"
ORLY? That will put YOU and every one of them on the DHS / FBI terrorist watch list.
2 million American home schoolers' average scores put them, as a group, in the 86th percentile of all US students. The American homeschoolers also blow away the Finnish school kids (500k of them), which is important because they are recognized as the top performers, as a country, in the world.
If the American homeschoolers represented an independent country they would be seen as a country of geniuses because half of them are in the top 14%. But they will never get the recognition they deserve because they are a living condemnation of statism and public school systems in general.
Another astounding finding is that a poorly performing public school kid can transfer to home schooling and in 1-2 years catch up to all the other home schoolers. It makes that profound of a difference. And all of this is done at 1/10 of the cost of educating a kid in public school.
Fuck the teacher unions.
I agree, $1 billion / year is the Newark Public education budget.
You'd figured with that amount of cash you're producing elite grads for ivy ready to change the world but instead it's just one large daycare system to keep crime down during the day.
"my children are learning to be honest business people."
Says it all. This is not about free-thinking, this is about training them into business relationships. All he will get are future adults who will gradually reject the rules that stop them making moar money out of whatever business they'll hold (i.e, petty moralism, phony honesty) and replace them with plastic smiles.
What about not training them to be "honest business people", but teach them to be good and smart persons, who won't take politically oriented BS from anyone, who will even be able - horror of horrors - to study, say, Marxism (so they don't repeat, like trained monkeys, "commie baad, commie baad" without even knowing what the word means), and let them become whatever they want, be it Marxist thinkers, poets, crime fiction authors or musicians?
But he couldn't, could he? See his children show any independence would be more than he could take.
Stupid or hypocritical, you choose.