"No, Taxes Are Not What We Pay For Civilized Society"

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

“Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.”

The famous quote by US Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. is inscribed above the entrance to the headquarters of the Internal Revenue Service.

Most people don’t have a clue what he meant, or in what context the statement was made. They simply parrot it around to justify the state’s racketeering behavior.

The logic is as twisted as saying “war is the price we pay for peace” or “debt is the price we pay for recovery.”

They’re all logical fallacies, and assertions backed by zero objective evidence.

There’s not much that’s civilized about confiscating people’s assets at gunpoint and spending it on bombs, drones, and wars.

In fact, taxes in the United States are not even a civil matter– they’re an entirely criminal matter. As nearly every tax communication duly informs us, you can be thrown in jail for failing to file a form.

This is not how a ‘civilized society’ conducts itself.

At the time when Justice Holmes wrote that statement, the average tax rate in the Land of the Free was 3.5%.

Today they keep raising taxes, and they keep printing money, because they’ve built an unsustainable system that depends on debt, overconsumption, and war in order to maintain itself.

Everyone knows it can’t last. And to change the system, they put their confidence in the electoral system. As President Obama himself has said on numerous occasions, “Don’t boo. Vote.”

The truth is that voting is a complete waste of time. The “change” is always hollow; the new guy almost invariably comes an incarnation of the last guy.

US government debt now stands at nearly $18 trillion, and they’re borrowing money just to pay interest on the money they’ve already borrowed.

They blow through almost 100% of their tax revenue just by paying interest and mandatory entitlements like Medicare.

They could literally eliminate almost the entirety of government and still not be able to balance the budget.

Of course, no politician is ever going to admit that or act accordingly. So does it really matter who is piloting the Hindenburg?

The far more powerful way to vote is with your actions.

This, and the whole context behind justice Oliver Wendell Holmes’ statement (it’s rather revealing, really), is what we cover in today’s podcast.



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stinkhammer's picture

the 16th amendment was never ratified   what is exempt income?   all income taxes pay down interest for debt that was produced out of edward quinces ass




doctor10's picture

Tariff taxes the Founders enacted supported a civic infrastructure

The welfare society, enabled by income taxation and regulation is the most dehumanizing and decivilizing force in the modern world.

Publicus's picture

Yup, funding for jobs and economic activities should come from money printing and not tax.

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Taxes are used for two things today:


1. Vote buying

2. Control/Slavery

0b1knob's picture

< Don't mess with taxes.

< Don't mess with Texas.

pods's picture

Income tax is slavery. If they can take a dime, they can take it all.


Ying-Yang's picture

Audio on the story started up and scared the shit out of me.

Warn a dude..... before starting a multimedia extravaganza!


MisterMousePotato's picture

Everyone should rent and show their children the movie Nazareth. Those who are unchurched may not think much of most of the movie, but there is a scene in the movie about when the Romans drop by to collect taxes that all can appreciate. Plus ca la change, plus ca la meme chose.

lordylord's picture

Taxation is theft. Those who supports any kind of taxation fall into one of two categories.  Those who benefit from taxes and want others to pay for their good/services and misguided do-gooders.  Call me a selfish loser.  Go ahead.  The thing is, the people who benefits from taxes are the real selfish losers.  And don't give me the "we all benefit from taxes" BS.  No!  I overpay for goods/services while others get it for free. 

Charming Anarchist's picture

You are too kind! 

I agree taxation is theft.  That means those who support any kind of taxation fall into one category:  thieves. 

Dr. Richard Head's picture

Our federal income theft...I mean tax dollars do not pay for ONE PENNY of ANY federal goverment program.  ALL of it goes to pay for the interest on the debt the Federal Reserve conjurs out of thin air.  At least, that is what the Grace Commission Report outlines.

Fuck the Fed, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the TSA, Fuck the CIA, Fuck CONgress, Fuck the Imperial Presidency, Fuck the NSA, Fuck the DOJ, Fuck the DEA, Fuck the FDA, Fuck every god damned acronym those man pussy shit tards create.  FUCK EM ALL!!!!!

jimmytorpedo's picture

Taxes pay the interest on the loans taken out on the future productivity of unborn slaves.

Fuck the overlords.

livefreediefree's picture

You exceeded the IRS limit of 11 Fuck's per post. You are hereby fined the national debt.

lordkoos's picture

Well sure, but building an interstate highway system, an internet, massives dams, etc etc might be a little more expensive than cutting dirt toll roads around 13 colonies.

The US military is far more dehumanizing than welfare and food stamps.

Publicus's picture

Yup, funding for jobs and economic activities should come from money printing and not tax.

Charming Anarchist's picture

You can not print money without taxation. 

Taxation compels people to use the specific currency in question.  That is why you can not pay your taxes in a foreign currency. The tax structure makes it too costly for the 99% of us to use an alternate currency.  WIthout taxation, printing money would lead people to shift away from the inflated money in favor of more stable currencies. 


How tax collections are spent or where the money goes are discussions that are no more relevent than examining why the Roman soldier's drew straws for Jesus' clothes. 

Publicus's picture

Sure you can, it's just a computer file. Edit a few digits, and lots of money.

Charming Anarchist's picture

Without the barrel of a gun, you can not force everybody to use your computer file. 


Get rid of taxes and your digits will not move. 

fallout11's picture

Charming Anarchist is actually correct, which is why fiat currencies are, in fact, "fiat" (latin for "by decree"). Without a means of encouraging (carrot) and/or forcing (stick) the use of a currency, it will not be used. This is the basis of Greshem's Law. What is the value of Confederate dollars today? Who still uses them? 
Tally sticks in middle ages England are a perfect example (please look them up) of why the power of taxation is what gives non-money currency its "value".

Winston Churchill's picture

Even worse ,  there were three different versions passed by  9 states that differed greatly

from the one that didn't pass.

SCOTUS has ruled four seperate time that the 16th gave the FedGov no new powers to tax

income under its provisions.

Ruffmuff's picture

I guess it takes a supreme asshole to be on the highest court.

The only supreme I respect is Tina Turner and green peppers, onions and peppy on my pizza.  

CH1's picture

the 16th amendment was never ratified

It doesn't matter either way.

We have one group of men taking everyone else's money by force. Whether they have the "right" pieces of paper to authorize their robbery is nothing but a silly distraction.

RaymondKHessel's picture

We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

magnumpk's picture

Interestingly, Section 61 of the Internal Revenue Code defines "gross income" as "all income from whatever source derived."  So it defines "income" with the word "income."  Thus "gross income" is not defined.

Squid Viscous's picture

wait 'til the Ferguson DA announcement, see how civilized "we" really are in 2014

pods's picture

Probably a safe bet to avoid McDonald's around that time.


BrosephStiglitz's picture

Haha.. Taxes.  Civilized.  Hilarious.

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Ya, real civilized.  I will take your money and give it to someone else.  Legalized theft---real Civilized.

Spungo's picture

I always love Simon's podcast. It's a nice combination of history and finance.

A Lunatic's picture

Only a Terrist would complain about paying their fair share.......

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Especially when your fair share becomes.....ALL OF IT!!

Otto Zitte's picture

All of it including your first born male children.

A Lunatic's picture

Yes, especially then Comrade.......

El Gringo's picture

Taxes are what we pay to live under tyranny.  It's pretty evident that things were much more free 110 years ago when there was also much less taxation.  In other words taxation is inversely proportional to liberty.  It is an absolute perogative that we free ourselves from these sickening nanny-staters and their Jewish rat masters if we are ever to have the hope of living under anything even remotely close to liberty.  Thomas Jefferson would approve of what must be done and that's enough for me.

JohnG's picture



Well that makes two of us but short of famine I don't see enough people with nothing to lose to make it happen.

El Gringo's picture

Like any other parasite the Jews will bleed us until there is nothing left to bleed.  What we really need is a militant political organization like Golden Dawn or dare I say it, Hezbollah, here in the US.

Itchy and Scratchy's picture

You vote for vision & leadership  ... taxes & bureaucracy is what u get!

Miles Plastic's picture

Ah yes, dear old O.W. Holmes Jr, who delivered a stirring defense of eugenics in Buck v. Bell ("...It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind....")

Spastica Rex's picture

Somebody, other than the FSA and government stooges, of course, seems to benefit from all this...

Charming Anarchist's picture

The banks. 

They can not print money without taxation. 

dexter_morgan's picture

Seeing that the dummycrats re-elected Hairy Reid their leader - it reminds me - isn't he the guy that eliminated the filibuster?

Wonder if they are going to wish they had that back after Jan.................

Bell&#039;s 2 hearted's picture

but but if i don't pay taxes ... how will i get a refund?

spooz's picture

Taxes give our currency legitimacy.  They can also serve to redistribute wealth when inequality threatens our economic stability.

Itchy and Scratchy's picture

'Wealth is not "distributed" ...it is created!' - Thomas Sowell

spooz's picture

These days, much of the ability to create wealth is through manipulating leverage created by banksters.  The way to take it back is to tax it.  The fines they get for manipulating markets are only a speed bump in wealth extraction.

Itchy and Scratchy's picture

That is not 'creating wealth.' That kind of thing is good old fascist tax payer extortion only enabled by a bloated wreckless corrupt & opaque bureaucracy. Illegal 'redistributionist' theft of YOUR big dollars!

stacking12321's picture

hahaha, good one.

you're funny.

the new MDB?