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Canada's PM To Putin: "I Guess I'll Shake Your Hand..." Putin's Response "Was Not Positive"
Following last week's (humiliating for the US) APEC meeting in Beijing, in which the BRIC nations clearly distanced themselves from the "developed world" and the topic of the "Russian invasion of Ukraine" was largely missing as it is clearly not in the interest of the Pacific nations to warmonger when the two key nations, Russia and China are obviously not complying with the western media 'straight to populism' narrative, it was time for another major world summit, this time in the quite "western" Brisbane, Australia.
It was here that the G-7 part of the G-20 nations seized the opportunity to quickly pivot against Moscow and remind Europe that the reason why Europe is in a triple-dip recession (if one removes the GDP "boost" from hookers and blow) is because of Russia's "take over" of east Ukraine, ignoring the reality that it was the US State Department's Victoria Nuland that incited the Kiev coup and the west that imposed the "costly" sanctions on Russia which have hurt Germany and Europe just as badly. This was all largely lost on the local, as outside the summit, Ukrainian Australians staged an anti-Putin protest, wearing headbands reading "Putin, Killer".
It was a full court press from the start: as the NYT reports, "at a speech at a university in Brisbane, Mr. Obama called Russia’s aggression against Ukraine a “threat to the world, as we saw in the appalling shootdown of MH-17, a tragedy that took so many innocent lives, among them your fellow citizens,” a reference to the Australian citizens and residents who were killed when Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 went down in eastern Ukraine.
“As your ally and friend, America shares the grief of these Australian families, and we share the determination of your nation for justice and accountability,” Mr. Obama said."
This charade was set to continue Sunday, when leaders from the European Union planned to meet with Mr. Obama to discuss Ukraine, among other issues, said Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European Council. He said the European Union was committed to finding a political solution to the crisis.
“We will continue to use all the diplomatic tools, including sanctions, at our disposal,” he said.
Indeed, as Reuters adds "Western leaders warned Vladimir Putin at a G20 summit on Saturday that he risked more economic sanctions if he failed to end Russian backing for separatist rebels in Ukraine."
But perhaps the best confirmation that all the G-20 meeting was nothing but a giant populist photo-op comes from Bloomberg which reports that "Russian President Vladimir Putin got a blunt message when he approached Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper for a handshake at today’s Group of 20 summit in Brisbane, Australia.
“I guess I’ll shake your hand but I have only one thing to say to you: you need to get out of Ukraine,” Harper told Putin, the prime minister’s spokesman Jason MacDonald said in an e-mail.
Putin’s response to the comment wasn’t positive, MacDonald said, without elaborating. Putin and Harper talked briefly, according to Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov.
“Indeed Harper told Putin that Russia should leave Ukraine,” Peskov said by phone today in Brisbane. “Putin told him that this is impossible because they are not there.”
Asked about the tone of the meeting between the two leaders, Peskov said “it was within the bounds of decency.”
Say no more.
Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, walks past Canadian Prime Minister
Stephen Harper, left, during a welcoming ceremony at the G-20 summit in Brisbane.
Yet at the end of the day, captioned photo-op or not, one wonders how much of all the front-page drama is even remotely real when every single time the west goes on the "offensive" against Putin with "costs" just to have a convenient scapegoat for Europe's ongoing depression, one hears in the back of one head the following exchange:
Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir"
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HARPER is only a second rate international embarrassment..... if you want the world's greatest embarrassing leader it is Australias PM Tony Abbott..the man is the original goon needing to be fed lines...can contradict himself 3 times in the one sentence.
Kids this is why we ban inbreeding
In Australia we have to put up with a lie a day Tony 'the Crusader' Abbott and the pack of clowns that is laughably called a government. The man is an utter cretin and psychopatic to boot.
Ignore the East vs West propaganda......they both work together
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/russias-gold-mining-co-nord-looks-to-purchse-canadas-carlisle/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/canada-gets-yuan-trading-hub-status-would-be-too-obvious-if-u-s-got-it-first/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/08/canadas-candu-energy-inc-to-get-green-light-for-chinese-nuclear-plant-soon-says-guo-chengzhan/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/russia-canada-netherlands-singapore-south-korea-helping-india-develop-smart-cities/
As usual, this article is a complete misreading of the real situation.
The Putin love will never end on ZH.
My guess is that this article is paid PR, like the plethora of pop-up ads, banner/sideboard ads, multiple forced viewing inline video ads, newsletter placements, etc. which is ZH's real reason for existence.
ZH is a one stop shop fear and anger repository for end-of-the-world/Libertarian/prepper/anti-gov goofballs and there's money to be made here.
Given the ZH forecasting track record, Putin is going down.
Get over it.
If Putin is going down, Tipton, tell us who will be going up, so we may take the measure of your putative brain?
useless talkings
Govt trolls can't stand there being no uncritical adoration of all things USA so have to attack ZH for telling the truth and the other side of stories.
USA has done a lot to fuck up the world...govt paid trolls ans MSM trolls cant stand it
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Govt trolls can't stand there being no uncritical adoration of all things USA so have to attack ZH for telling the truth and the other side of stories.
USA has done a lot to fuck up the world...govt paid trolls ans MSM trolls cant stand it
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Go head
VIEDOKLIS
POKE THE BEAR
GET REAL CLOSE
AND POKE IT
BOOMERANG
OH
MR PUTIN
MEET
viedosklis
As one of our "allies," presumably with at least a token force in our two wars of aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq, Canada has no business telling anybody to get out of anywhere.
G-20
IS NOW
G-19
THE ONLY MAN
TO TELL THE NWO
TO FUCKOFF
Harper, you Dumb Ass... Perhaps NATO should get out of Ukriane first and quit stirring-up shit all over the globe!!!
VIEDOKLIS
YOUR HERO'S ARE ON FOX NEWS RIGHT NOW
BUSHES 1, AND 2
MAYBE THEY WILL EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T JOINT THEIR NWO
I really liked Stephen harper now he has become a puppet of the NWO it's so sad to see, we have no leaders in Canada, I wish someone would step forward and challange this SOB. I am embarrased how he conducted himself at this meeting.
The three stooges of global politics - Harper, Abbott and Cameron...all competing with Obama to become the most inept politician globally - the race to the bottom is an intense one.
The Poles recognize what Ukraine and Georgia have already come to understand: that Russia is trying to cobble together what it can of the failed Soviet state. It was Vladimir Putin, after all, that wistfully remarked that "the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union."
In other words, the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century wasn't the 60 million lives lost during WWII, nor was it the tens of millions that died during the Spanish influenza pandemic in the early part of the 20th century.
Rather, the 'catastrophe' was that 300 million folks were liberated from a totalitarian regime and a command economy that together were responsible for untold human misery.
Putin's self-centered, myopic assessment would be laughable if it didn't negatively impact so many lives.
Vlad, we’re going to make you pay a heavy price for stealing Ukraine. Your ruble will be worth virtually nothing, your economy will be trashed and your currency reserves eviscerated.
If you knew your history, the nasty Catholic Poles (and Lithuanians) invaded Russia a couple times during the "Time of Troubles" in the early 17th century, torturing, murdering, burning Moscow in 1611, and even starving the Russian Orthodox Patriarch Hermogenes to death. In short, Karma is a bitch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605%E2%80%9318)
Yeah because the Russians have a lot more valid historical grievances for the Poles invading Russia vs Russian forays and extended stays into Poland from the 18th century onwards.
Leave Russia Alone, respect their buffers, do honest but hard-nose competitive business with them, and Russia will not "invade" anyone.
The only outfit I have seen for the last 13 years blowing up one country after another is Vichy DC.
To appoint a dangerous psychopath like Hillary Clinton to SoS, a creature so vile she cackled madly upon Kadaffy's assassination at the hands of ZATO terrorists, was insanity. Now that murderous satanic Cunt wants to be president?
If you think the homosexual deviant you have now for president is bad, elect that gash. What ever is left of the US will be a smoking hole while she is comfortable at Mt Weather licking Huma's pussy while the rest of US die from plague and radioactivity.
But, maybe that is exactly what Providence will produce as the bad Karma cycles back.......
Still waiting for a refutation of my post, Bob. It appears you're unable to muster one.
What you are saying here is utterly disingenuous. V. V. Putin does not seek to bring back scientific socialism, the dictatorship of the protetariat, the expropriation of private property or the leading role of the party. If he thinks the collapse of the USSR was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th Century -- well, he may have overstated the case, but no by much. It resulted in:
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More deaths than in the Rwandan genocide
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More persons ethnically cleansed than in Yugoslavia
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100,000 dead in 2 wars in Chechnya
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10,000 dead during peace between the 2 wars
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30,000 dead in Nagorno-Karabakh
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15,000 dead in civil war in Abkhazia
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5,000 dead in civil war in S. Ossetia, 1,000 in Pridnestrovie, 1,000 in S. Ossetia-Ingushetia conflict
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More than 1,000,000 Armenians and Azeris fled their countries
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5,000,000 Russians flee ex-Soviet republics
Harper was quick to jump on the "The Ukraine mess is all Russia's fault" bandwagon. 2 obvious reasons: 1. There is a large contingent of Ukrainian-Canadian voters and they overwhelmingly hate Russia; 2. Harper has been pleading with Obama for years to approve the Keystone XL pipeline to carry Canada's oil sands crude to Texas. Oil sands crude exports are the big Canadian hope for economic stability. The environmental lobbies and Aboriginals in wetern Canada have thrown roadblocks in the way of crude exports via new pipelines to the west coast, so Harper desperately wants KXL to proceed. Oil sands crude is now being shipped via railway, but that costs something like $10 to $20 per barrel more than pipeline delivery. With oil prices falling, Harper must be more desperate than ever for KXL to go ahead.
Cheat Sheet for American Media:
CNN, Fox, MSNBC, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times and The Washington Times:
1. None are funded by the US Government.
2. All speak critically of Obama and his policies(in the case of Fox News, most of the time).
Cheat Sheet for Russia Today:
1. Funded by Russian government.
2. Features a robust assortment of articles universally and without except lauding Putin and his policies.
the american five report zionewz
You need to communicate so others can understand you, idiot. :-)
Actually it's the P20 meeting. 'P' stands for ....?
I think the idiots in the West are going to blunder into a hot war with Russia. They are now attacking Russia's right to trade with China. This ignores the fact that Washingtons stupid policies have pushed Russia eastwards - Washington never seems to think about the unintended consequences of their policies. The Russians have started to send strong signals to back off.
Classic take down of hubris and arrogance - the USS Donald Cook became the Donald Duck in the Black Sea when two Russian SU-24's blinded the ship and shut down its weapons systems. A multi Billion Dollar sitting duck.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
"The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s," a defense spokesman said. Bit hard to do when you can't track incoming hostiles or use your weapons. The more complex a system from an electronic perspective the easier to crash it.
A story that magically appears like clockwork within in a day on multiple sites including the trash Info Wars site? Smells like a plant.
I have researched this item a bit, including former guys I served with. It cannot be substantiated.
The Russians do have good ECM, but so does the US Armed Forces.
By the way, the story first appeared about a week after the supposed incident, then went away, only to suddenly resurface now as you have described!
Trudeau would have told Putin: <<You do not see French Canadian brides advertized for sale on Russian internet do you? eh?>>
Hell no....but seriously...who would want to buy one?
An Amercan....obviously.... but not just any American.
An American fleeing his own country... going North, for safety... functionally illiterate in his own language..... whose understanding of world culture is limited to being able to pick out a Spic by the accent... has no idea where Canada begins... or Alaska begins... or Russia ends or begins....
LMAO...fucking Obama looks like a little smarmy kid in that pic.....But just wait....In just two short years, The Hildabeast will be the President....and old Putin will be shitting his pants when that wench smacks his little ass to the Tarmac at their first meeting. Putin might have wrestled a fucking Polar Bear, and even fucked one for all I know, but when he tries to grab Hillary by the short hairs...it's going to be lights out.
And his facelift looks like an old woman.
All of those smarmy western girlymen will be happy when Putin leaves the G20 meeting early so they can prance around playing touch butt with each other without tripping over his huge schlong.
This site has become infested Putin groupies. I admit he is a strong decisive leader, much more shrewed and cunning than our leaders, but he is not our friend either. Not when he is threatening to nuke us into oblivion, and not when he is parking nuclear armed relic bombers over the Gulf of Mexico. He, like so many other leaders, only cares about his own power. I don't see him as a peacemaker or statesman. He is a ruthless opportunist. Sorry, I'm not buying the Putin worship.
You are full of shit, asshole. He is not "our friend"? Who the hell is "our"? a bunch of anti-American globalist/zionist billionanaires and the sycophants who serve themselves for their own enrichment? Go to hell. Our country is occupied and run by by traitors -for their own benefit-not ours. IU support Putin far more than the treasonous scum who are raping this country.
It will be average ordinary folks who get cooked, not the elites you speak of. I don't think Putin will spare you, despite your' dying devotion.
With all due respect, amigo, you are not looking below the surface.
I for one would not want Vlad as my nation's CEO.
I want an American, not some stooge of dual-passport holders.
Why is it a Foreign Power posing as a 'special interest group' (AIPAC) is allowed to give campaign donations? Any pol taking money from them is a traitor to their country.
You dont know much about VV Putin in real
Sizzurp:
You don't get it. It's not a question of Putin worship. It's a question of recognizing that Russia was the first nation to come to our aid after 9/11 with its offer of intelligence sharing. Putin, Medvedev and Lavrov have all proposed the establishment of a new zone of economic and security cooperation from Lisbon to Vladivostok and on to North America -- a new entente cordiale embracing all of the Northern Hemisphere -- all of it rooted in the common Christian heritage of pan-Europe. All three leaders have spoken of it; the US never answered this initiative, not even to critiize it. We simply ignored it, recognizing that if implemented, it woud put paid to US empire. As Condi Rice said -- "We prefer a prepondernace of power that favors out values, over balances of power that do not." Well, you can forget the bit about values; we saw US values in action when we overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian government and replaced it with a neo-Nazi regime. What Condi means is -- we want a preponderance of power (so as to rule he world by diktat), not a balance of power (which means you have to talk and horse trade and split the difference, which we are loath to do.)
V. V. Putin has said, in effect, we believe in a new entente with the West; that is our declared policy, as indeed it is. But if the West will not engage with us, if the West coninues to seek to encircle us with the ultimate aim of fomenting an Orange Revolution in Red Square, we will resist. As he said at the outset of his presidency: "We Russians will not be cannon fodder for the New World Order."
None of this has anything to do with Putin-worship. It has to do with recognizing that his policy is reasonable and moderate when viewed through the prism of the Russian natipnal interest. It is also not aggressive. Moscow does not propose to do in Texas what we are doing in Ukraine.
My old boss Ronald Reagan, working with Gorbachev, put an end to the Cold War. That was Reagan's aim -- not to destroy the USSR, but to end the Cold War so as to engage positively with Moscow. Much to the consternation of the neo-cons he unwisely brought into this adminstation, he declared an end to the Cold War while strolling arm-in-arm with Gorbachev through Red Square; offered to share SDI technology with the USSR (not the Russian Federation, but the USSR!) because he conceded its unilateral deployment would be destabilizing, and called for the retention of the all-Union structure (not the ideology, and not the leading ruoleof the CPSU, which by then were already a thing of the past) while on a private visit to Leningrad after leaving office. (Reagan was not the in-your-face militarist the neo-cons have tried to make him out to be to provide posthumous moral legitiimacy to what they are doing.)
V. V. Putin's offer of a pan-European entente is exactly what the world needs. It is the key to dealing with radical Islam and a rising China (which needn't be an enemy.) Perhaps his resistance to the Empire in Ukraine will induce our rogue elite to come to its senses, and begin acting in the US national interest for a change.
Hey Vlad!
How many Apaches does it take to screw up a light bulb? One. ~ Bill
Putin's plastic surgery looks awful.
True, but look on the bright side: it makes Kenny Rogers feel a lot better about himself, and little Puti's head would make one heck of a bowling ball after the coming coup.
G-20, race to the bottom (including intelligence) reality show. Some nations can wait to take this opportunity to make fun out of Russia. Canada makes an ugly, childish and arrogant mistake. Thing is Putin will remember that but he won't make a big thing out of it. When the time has come and the leverage is on his side, he will make sure Canada pay. Bad, bad mistake.
Putin's reply, "Hey Harger, or Harbin, or whatever the hell your name is, how would you like to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, huh? That's what I thought, you fat bastard."
We wish ! +10
Not to worry Canadians will take out Harper with extreme predjudice in 2015. Seventy percent of the country hates the fat bastard.
Nice to see an actual poll on how Russians citizens view sending meaningful amounts of Russian soldiers to fight in Ukraine. US-based polls from organizations like Gallup have to be taken with a leary eye and there isn't a truly independent organization left in Russia as the Russian gov't owns & controls all 3 major polling organizations in the country.
All polls are controlled by those who pay for them.
It depends and the US-based polls I have seen have showed two constant things - very strong support for Putin in geneal (80%+ for several months) by Russians and that most Russians view Crimea rejoining Russia as quite positively (70-80%).
The disrepancy has been an open and large-scale mobilization of Russian troops into Ukraine. Numbers in the US-based polls have showed very negative support for this by Russians which doesn't surprise me.
What open and large scale mobilization?
Show it.
My reply to Harper: get out of Ottawa, Canadians are starting to realize how you've sold us out, and you're about to lose to Trudeau ( who isn't scheduled to sell us out until mid-2019...)
Our leadership has gotten so deceitful I honestly don't see any way to win it back without a full collapse and reset.
Russia is no better than the USA.
How many unemployed people in USA? How many needing food stamps? How many on poverty wages, how many need to work multiple part time jobs to survive. In the USA nowdays you an be arbitrarily arrested jailed, 'investigated' by IRS NSA FBI DEA and so ...whatever it takes to keep you in line.
In the USA all media is MSM-Govt-Oligarch controlled and touts only the govt line. The USA admin/militar/CIA etc murder who they feel like in any country they feel like if it is advantage.
Liberty? Prosperity? Freedom of speech? Democracy? In the USA ... really?? The govt and its agencies lie about almost everything.
In the US the Admin can make laws to transfer all wealth to a handful of people, in the US the regulatory system is so controlled that law breakers of elite never go to jail, get wrist slaps, and then enebaled to continue there corruption.
The USA is just as fucked up, corrupt and dishonest as Russia, just as arbitrary and totalitarian when needed.
The big difference between USA and Russia is the USA prosecuting a multi decade foreign policy tool of war coups invasions. Happy to cause millions to die for no Real reason apart from keep US hegemony in place.
AND of course the people of the globe including Americans realise now how totally fucked the USA has been in the past and is now...and that it has no glory, and that what it says should be taken as lie before belief.....because people have looked back and seen all the beds the USA has shat in.
So no surprises then when nations like China and Russia tell it to go fuck itself. The US agenda is nothing to do with the American people, whom they have already now totaly fucked over and made peasants....their insterest only lay in maintaining power and wealth to a small elite.
There is not much nowdays to recommend the USA over such despots as Russia and China.
At least in China the heads of JPM GS HSBC etc would have been taken out to the car park and a bullet put through the back of their heads for their gigantic world destroying corruption. In the US the govt idolises and gives them more money and power....except the govt of the US is JPM GS etc..
People wont come back to supporting the US until it makes itself a country that attempts to live up to the previous myth of the US.
Difference is that americans once had freedom & individualism but ruskies never had it and I'm not sure wil they make it there ever by such czars as Putin.
But the USSA has Lots of TV channels and the NFL!
If the satellite photograph of the Ukrainian jet firing a missile at an airliner purported to be MH17 is not genuine, you can take your fists out of your shit packed asses and stop fistbumping each other BECAUSE IT WAS YOUR SIDE -- THE ANTI-RUSSIAN, ANTI-PUTIN SIDE that phonied up the photograph and sent it to 1TV.RU.
DO NONE OF YOU SCREAMING ASSHOLES REMEMBER WHEN THE REPUBLICANS FED FALSE INFORMATION TO DAN RATHER IN 2004 ABOUT YOUR BELOVED JIZZ BRAINED GEORGE W.BUSH?
AMERICA CAN'T COME UP WITH A NEW IDEA TO SAVE IT'S FUCKING LIFE. WHAT WORKED IN BUSH'S CASE FAILS MISERABLY HERE. . .www.bellingcat.com
Can't you even read?
I don't doubt that the imagery was faked. My point is "Who faked it?"
I don't know and neither do you. But what we do know is that it is an exact replay of what happened when Dan Rather read Republican contrived reports about George W Bush's service in the national guard right before the election in 2004.
Is that too much for your slender mind to grasp?
Are you such a Myrmidon of Barack Obama that if he asked you to kill your children for the anti-Putin, anti-Russian cause you would not hesitate to do so?
That is logical fallacy from this category: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
So you are simply troling.
Sveiks, Viedoklis.
Please quit with the trolling cliches. Show that you are capable of writing a coherent message that does not refer to trolls or trolling. Just state your opinion plainly, and let it stand on its own merit.
Babe
I'm not trolling and you're not Latavian.
You are a graduate of the Eric von Stroheim School of Funny Accents. Or is it the Max Fabian School of Dramatic Arts?
Whatever. When are we having lunch?
Seams to be some kind of technical problem with the voting arrows. To bad, I kind of like this site when it is working properly.
This site hasn't worked properly since I've been here; I guess they're too cheap to fix the little box we have to comment in.
Thanks for reminding me about not disabling the arrows when I start my comment with italics. (how much could it cost to fix that, for Christ sake?)
And now the pages are close to 70% adverts most of them animated with dancing chipmunks while a few compete with each other with very loud sound.
But the pro-Putin voices here are excellent which is why I keep coming back and put up with the indignity of zerohedge
if you start your comment in italics font, we r not able to cast a vote.........
Thanks. I keep forgetting. :o)
Now that the SSRIs have kicked in and you've settled down, got the caps and the bold off, consider this: the Russian Union of Engineers claim to have thoroughly reviewed the photographs and found them to be credible. Doesn't that say something about their skill level, since a five year old with an iPad can do a reverse image search and see the "evidence" is, inter alia, a composite utilizing old GoogleEarth data?
Or are you implying that whoever supplied the imagery to the RUE and RTV is so clever (must be hypnotists!) that they got all parties to go along? If so, what chance do you have? Okay, that's a trick question!
First of all, Dr. Dude, I've been on an intravenous SSRI drip since I witnessed the entire civilized West -- the US, the UK, Germany, France and all the the other Beacons of Enlightenment -- fall in lock step and support the Ukrainian coup by Nuland and the Nazis in February 2014.
(more bold caps, honey)
THE WEST REJECTED THE GOVERNMENT OF VIKTOR YANUKOVYCH, WHO DID N O T USE THE ARMY AND WATER CANNON TO DISPERSE THE MOB IN THE MAIDAN, AND TOOK TO ITS BOSOM PETRO POROSHENKO, WHOSE ARTILLERY HAS BEEN SHELLING APARTMENT FLATS, NURSING HOMES AND CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUNDS EVER SINCE HE WAS ILLEGALLY INSTALLED
(all done)
I don't believe Poroshenko personally conceived shooting down MH17. But he was ordered to do so by the miscreants who put him in office.
The CIA was given misinformation by other intelligence agencies that Putin was travelling incognito aboard a Malaysian plane and thought no more of killing 298 innocents to eliminate him than they would think about slitting the throats of your family for a second piece of pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving dinner.
So they had the Ukrainian Air Force shoot it down
If you continue to read about the conflict in Donbas as reported by the NYT, WaPo, BBC etc., you will be the most knowledgeable person about the events of the Ukrainian Civil conflict.
How tired and boring it must be to read and reread the Western Media's reporting of what happened to the Ukrainian ATC tapes, who grabbed them, whether they were doctored, and where they are now?
That is the small price to pay for knowing everything there is to know.
If the West is successful and strangles the Russian economy through sanctions, causes food shortages for and hardships on the Russian people -- and if Putin is the fiend you say he is -- why shouldn't he strike first to start WWIII?
If only 25% or 30% of his thousands and thousands nukes hit their marks, what kind of a world do you think you and your family, if they survive, will be living in?
Or maybe you'll manage to get by the Border Police on your way to Asuncion or Montevideo or La Paz, in a disguise similar to the one Jefferson Davis wore when he was captured by Union Soldiers? Then you will be able to console yourself on that that long and bumpy bus trip down through Central America, that soon you will be leading the life of Mengele, Borman and Eichman.
And when the war to end all wars is over, you will wake up in morning, look into the mirror in your rusty, roach infested bathroom somewhere in South America, and say to yourself in your Hollywood Spanish, "Eet dus nut get eny better dan dis."
the previous myth of the US
oh come on, that is a bit much
aren't you projecting your own self disatisfaction?
What about western role in undermining and overthrowing elected Ukraine government. What about the Nulan recording? What about the unelected Ukraine government within days of seizing power throwing out tolerant multi -lingual laws and effectively making it illegal for Crimeans to speak their native language. What about the overwhelming turnout and near unanimous Crimean vote to succeed and join Russia? I'm Canadian but don't agree with this behavior. Sad how we now just play along with the interests of the American industrial war complex. Fight for harmony and peace... not war and foreign entanglements Harper!
The sickening thing is Merkle, Germany, UK, France ... all know that Ukraine shot down MH17. But rather than bring mass murderers to justice they decide to abuse the dead for the USA's geopolitical toying with Russia.
AND as for sanctions and more sanctions against Russia. Who they really hurting?
Germany's economy already in the balance, the rest of Europe in recession really, yet Merkle ready to sink her own country's economy with even more sanctions on Russia. So she will put thousands out of work and home in Germany to basically suck America's cock. AND in the long run what does Germany get out of this, or the others? The USA can go home and lick its butt at liesure. But for the others Russia is still sitting there, a global nuclear power with vast energy reserves.
Whatever advantages Germany and co think they get out of this in the short term...what about 10 or more years down the track. Russia will still be an energy behemoth and a military and nuclear power, with extended strength in Asia / China and Sth America. These people being forced to look only at the next 5 minutes from and American military/oil perspective.
If they had half a brain they would be doing the opposite.
Russia can shift East to China and India for starters.
I propose a theory which concludes the western PTB want to cause a crisis thus enabling the establishment of a replacement for the USD and a bonus- the conquest financially of Russia- if they get lucky. Russian natural resources under their control would be marvelous for them.
Canadian turkey playing a hawk - must have been an unforgettable show.
Clever plan, though - make Putin laugh to death...
- Images of a fighter jet shooting down flight MH17 have been labelled 'fakes'
- Investigative journalism site, Bellingcat, says there are several inconsistencies with the images reported by Russian TV
- It claims the images have shown the wrong airline logo, they did not depict a Boeing 777 and the type of fighter jet reported was also wrong
- 'Leaked' satellite images showed a missile streaking towards the MH17 flight, claiming it was shot down by a Ukranian war plane
- The Russian Kremlin-owned channel, who released the images, suggested a State crime was committed
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836245/Report-slams-new-surveillance-photos-released-Russian-state-broadcaster-MH17-shot-shoddy-fake.html#ixzz3JDbU4g1Whttp://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine_opinion_media_watch/2014/1...
The evidence available to the public in not definitive.
However, there is strong circumstantial evidence from the pilot who posted photos of the cockpit that it may have been attacked by cannon-fire-A to A missile.
The most damning evidence against the West is the shutdown of information on the aircraft's black boxes.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185870.html
I see here there is some real distaste for Harper which I applaud. However I see some confusion as some actually see him in a positive light. I am a Canuck so I will comment here. Since when has Harper ever held any appeal for the majority of Canucks who do not vote at all. He is simply there because at the time we punished the Liberals. Nothing more. Not because he is a good leader, not because he has any sort of appeal what so ever and certainly not because of his overt love of power (like a subverted Hillary Clinton if you will). If he has one positive quality it is that he generally does nothing.
He is an ass kissing, propogandist to Obama. Nothing more. He and Mark Carney both threw Canadians under a bus when they lowered the interest rate of the central bank to 0.5% from 4% back in 2007 igniting an already overblown real estate market to propel itself and credit to sickeningly high new levels. I know Canadian banks are much more responsible and it is different this time. No corrections will ever take place in Canada and million dollar properties will be the norm forever because every new gneration can afford to pay this and prices will go to ten million and we'll all live happily ever after. What the fuck???? I guess that is why Canadians are the most indebted of the western world countries. This movie has never played out before at any time has it??? All when there was no need for this at all. Of course pressure from the US to do this is exactly "why" this happened. Our reward was 1 Trillion worth of toilet paper from the US Federal Reserve when it handed out 20 Trillion of toilet paper to the western leaders of the western world as bribes to respend it back to the US and to keep their countries from experiencing corrections that were well deserved and in need of. Except pandering is what politicians do very well. Lead is what they do poorly.
The BRIC's have little choice but too distance themselves from the brutally corrupt West as they simply were not invited to the "toilet paper" party. As long as you are invited to this party you can continue to spend recklessly; you do not have to be accoutable (because no one else is) and you can continue to steal from the future generations without any repercussions at all. Except that is NOT how the real world works for those not invited to wipe their asses with the special toilet paper hand outs. They actually have to pay their bills on time (hmmm...let's see did Russia have to declare bankruptcy in 1995?....oh ya, they did excpet no one offered them toilet paper at the time as I recall to settle their debts with. Nope as I recall they watched, shook their heads at their unfortunate mishap and went on spending).
This is the new West. This is the new Canada that we all love. Married to toilet paper. It is funny how the minority of sensible posters here on Zero Hedge. You know the informed ones who understand accounting 101 have zero respect for their leaders in the West. The crimes they are committing are so heinous and obvious that even we are shocked. Putin is no worse a leader than any of them. In fact some hail him as having more balls to act against this obvious wronging that they declare him some sort of hero. I wouldn't go that far but he sure as hell knows toilet paper when he sees it. Cheers!
@MarcusAurelius + 50 ! Well said
I'm an Australian & totally pissed with the a$$licking canvas back we have as a PM. He was going to "shirt front Putin" -yea BS ! - - but as usual the so called "free" press loved it & apparently it went viral.
Putin is being set up as most here at Zero know -however it really is a stretch to have to listen to the BS everytime you switch on a radiop or TV.
The latest Media crap is about 4 Russian war ships that are in International waters somewhere North of Australia - and it's being touted like an invasion.
Yest that stupid cunt Obama bring a shit load of Secret service & other servants -even his own MV - what a sham - what a waste of space most ALL of these pricks are. They are parasites & should have held their talk fest on some deserted island. Cost to out tax payers is best part of a billion $ fiat ! Glad I'm not in Brisbane!
Bellingcat has already been shown to be a shill..and their apparent debunking of the image shown to be nonsense.
To wit they all know that ukraine shot down MH17 ... did the west know beforehand ukraine was going to do this?
Perhaps Harper should not interfere in Quebec.
What a bunch of runny nosed spoilt brats western leaders are. Putin must wonder if its all a trick...the political incompetence, lies, stupidity and immaturity. He thought he was playing chess but it turns out the likes of Obama, Harper and that poofter Cameron are no better than drunken hobos insistent on playing Checkers.
Bellingcat has already been shown to be a shill..and their apparent debunking of the image shown to be nonsense.
To wit they all know that ukraine shot down MH17 ... did the west know beforehand ukraine was going to do this?
Really? Go ahead and prove it. All the images used by bellingcat are on the internet and carry a date stamp. You think clouds don't move for two years, and fields are always plowed and planted in the exact same way?
Puti’s overmatched. He was a mediocre Case Officer in the KGB, so he got moved to the propaganda department, where he did okay back before the internet became so ubiquitous. By the time the internet went global, Puti was already slaughtering Chechens in Grozny, of course from a safe distance far from the action. His ignorance of the capabilities of the internet set him up to get punked, like with his latest fabrication. It has become a kind of parlor game finding where and how many times Puti lied. Screen captures, Puti…they are forever. Punked!
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2014/11/14/russian-state-television-shar...
Of course he maintains an audience amongst the addled brain set, as well as amongst those in his country who only have access to the Puti-controlled internet. For those with total internet access, Puti is pure bush league dilettante.
We now return to your regularly scheduled RT broadcast.
You won't see a ruskie troll who will go into discussion based on logic & evidence.
Who struck first?
We all saw the opulent HQ of Yanukovich (sp?) before Poroshenko was selected. Ukrainians were ripe for "Hope and Change."
Was it Russian tanks first over the border into their ancient homeland? No, it was western oligarchs and US dual-citizens who "invaded" first.
ZHers know the long history of enmity between Russia and and the Rothschild's Interests.
The current western leaders are probably among the most ignorant and uneducated in history in at least 50 years. Expect Idiocracy.
The ample evidence a small group of dual-passport holders who serve another country First before America is the problem.
Control by co-ordinated Central Banks is the other.
This kind of impasse, where one side does not surrender financially to another side usually ends in war.
Hedge Accordingly.
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In fact, you can take the ethnic part of the problem out of the equation.
The USG is the target of massive espionage and manipulation of policy at the highest levels of power by a group of individuals who have NO allegiance to the United States. These traitors use an event during WW2 caused by the German government in power at that time to excuse every act of treason against the USA.
If We The People expel these traitors- and they are very easy to identify by passports- we would see an immediate change in our country's fortunes.
Ouch! At least Two dual-PP holders got me with Red Arrows!
Good thing I have body armor, traitors!
Chindit stumping for the NWO propagandists again? Shocking. Just shocking!
Brown Moses and “new media”; same as the old media.http://notthemsmdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/brown-moses-new-media-sa...
Are you still the spokesmodel for Merck’s line of TCA’s? Given how poorly they work on you, one would think credibility issues might arise.
Out of curiosity, which whackjob camp are you in, the one that says this “evidence” is real, or the one who says it is clearly bogus but was fed to the Russian Union of Engineers and Russian national TV just to discredit Puti? Either way, since they passed it, the Russian Union of Engineers comes off pretty badly, so a word to the wise: steer clear of anything more complex than a flashlight if it comes from that country.
You're looking desperate. The zio oligarchs plan to spoon feed the same propaganda in order to regain the resources of Russia is getting shaky. Must be sad to need to defend the indefensible. To be on the side of history that is for the slaughter of millions in order to fulfill some historic fable. Where did you go wrong? Tilt too far into betrayal of yourself and become so compromised that they can drag you out as needed to write something approaching clever but still dipped in the ink of paymasters you feel you should long be done with?
Rocket engines not withstanding.
Lotsa zios in Orde's gang.
Looks like another here, eh 13?
Most of us Brisbane residents fled the G20 Tour De Farce of kings, queens, high-priests, jesters and wannabe dukes. Why stick around and be treated like serfs, by the security-goon Industrial complex, in the city built with your and your ancestors taxes just because the clowns come to town?
All the beaches and islands around Brisbane where packed with people, knowingly or unknowingly, preserving their last shred of dignity against the 3 day invasion of the New World Order circus.
They even arranged a heat wave...
"You need to get out of Ukraine, Canuck! Take your ZATO buddies with you!"
ZIO-Fluffer Harper was lucky he didnt get a good ass-kickin'
Dangerous desperation in the new Cold War
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/11/dangerous-desperation-in-new-...
The United States, Mr Obama said, was "firm on the need to uphold core international principles, and one of those principles is you don't invade other countries. "The Russians, he said, were supplying weapons and financial backing to seperatists in Ukraine."
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_opinion/2014/11/16/02-31-24pm/obam...
Bellingcat has already been shown to be a shill..and their apparent debunking of the image shown to be nonsense.
To wit they all know that ukraine shot down MH17 ... did the west know beforehand ukraine was going to do this?
Just wait until the first "polar vortex" hits Europe this winter-and Putin restricts the flow of natural gas.
I am also pleased to annouce that at the G20 meeting Australia was able to display its worst Prime Minister since its federation in 1900.
If you look over to Australia right now all you will see are bums pointing to the sky, as everybody has burried their head in the dirt out sheer embarassament of their leader's hyper-embarassing display of stupidity, ignorance, baseness, childishness and hyper-dishonesty.
Tony Abbott will go into lexicons as replacement for the word moron.
From their finest Prime Minster on the world stage in Kevin Rudd, their finest forward thinking Prime Minsiter in Gough Whitlam, and a Prime Minister the presided over a decade of Prosperity in John Howard.....they then followed with factional hack Julia Gillard, and accidental leader failed priest wannabe, woman hater, liar and corporate fuck doll Tony Abbott.
Yeah... Insulting Putin is not a good idea. You may not like the guy, Russia or their policies but the least you can do is show respect to a super power. I'm not saying you need to grovel, but be civil and understand that whatever you say has consequences - you'll get a lot further with your agenda like that than opening with hostility and disrespect. Why feminised Western leaders need to try and get into a dick measuring contest with Putin is beyond me. Try and look tough to the voters back home, but you're just pissing into the wind.
Haha, Russian Flotilla heads towards Brisbane.
Hey, dude, my Navy don't just hang out in the northern hemisphere; we're like, Intercontinental, kangaroo boy.
"is show respect to a super power"
That "superpower" GDP is $2.057 trillion
VS
EU GDP is $18.451 trillion
Russia HDI is 0.778 even Latvia has higher HDI 0.810
superpower he says... ha... :)
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means... GDP and HDI are irrelevant to my point. If Russia was so insignificant, why was Putin there? What were those ships he brought with him? Russia only has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and the demonstrated will to crush it's enemies regardless of the cost. Russia is also the only large military force with a competent leader that has the guts for a real war.
All those petty facts just slip your mind did they? Don't think Russia can finance a fight? They're much more capable than the US, else it would be Putin blinking not Obama. I'm just saying, you just don't poke the sleeping bear unless you're willing to have your face torn off shortly after. Real politik trumps statistics, 100% of the time. NATO should be doing everything in their power to keep Russia friendly and forget trying to make the bear dance on their little circus ball.
Or don't, whatever, it's your funeral.
Nice to see Obombya changing history/reality once again regarding that airplane that was shot down. I guess it has been a while so they can now falsely blame Russia for it...again.
I dont believe it. it a press release by the biggest progaganda machine in the world. Harper does not have the stones its all for domestic consumption. Stop Harper Save Canada!
I dont believe it. it a press release by the biggest progaganda machine in the world. Harper does not have the stones its all for domestic consumption. Stop Harper Save Canada!
The plan is a very simple one.
Look at it in business terms.
This is a hostile merger attempt by the West.
The West wants to merge with the East.
Then they can deal with the Far East.
Putin seems to be in the way.
You want to know a secret?
China knows what you're doing.
The only remaining issue for me is to know what side China is on. They are the creation of ZWO and have served their purpose of destroying the western economies. 65% of the wealthy have either already setup camp outside of China or are planning to. They know China is a tinder box, most likely controlled from beyond their borders.
West's strategy is to attack Chinese culture and religion.
By giving China whatever it wants.
Sex, drugs, real estate, gold, women ...........
The list is endless.
Is China strong enough to resist temptation?
Is their religion stronger than the religion of pure hedonism?
If China wants to know how they would be treated in a Global NWO Empire.
Just look at how the leaders of this supposed utopia treat their own people.
I hope the Chinese hold on tight to their cultural and spiritual identity.
The West offers darkness.
"I hope the Chinese hold on tight to their cultural and spiritual identity."
Mao wiped that out. That was part of his role. What they created was a culture based around greed and status.
You can burn churches and kill priests, but faith endures.
Mao failed to kill their faith.
Stalin failed to kill the Orthodox religion.
No, it exists, but to what extent is the question?
If the elite lose control over religion, they will fail to control the people.
So, whose hand is Harper eager to hold?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/22/harper-in-kyiv-as-first-g7-leade...
No, whose dick is he lurking to do a hand job on?
Backdoor Barry, Chewbacca and Reggie?
DOES any of this Matter ??? oh my dad is bigger than your dad .... well my dad is tougher that your dad ...
Fucking grow up assholes ! these are FAKE bought out leaders and your cheering for this shit... you probably also think WWF wrestling is real, aswell
BELIEVE THE BULLSHIT
there is a really good article on the daily mail about this meeting
lots of very intersting pictures
check it out, very telling
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836488/From-Vlad-worse-snubbed-...
China, Russia, US = NWO
http://youtu.be/5M1KD7Dnq4s
As it gets colder in Europe the big question is if Obama will send blankets! As time goes by Putin continues to rack up more points in the Ukraine as the conflict drags on. Things appear to have quieted down to many as the eyes of the world have moved to more pressing issues, but the war continues and Putin is playing the long game by grinding away at the resolve of both bankrupt Kiev and the EU.
A recently signed deal for gas supplies to Ukraine was a sign of hope to many, but it only highlights the devil of any agreement is in the details. The Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said any resumed supplies could be halted again on Jan. 1 if Ukraine doesn’t pay $3.1 billion in debt prepay for future deliveries. It appears this deal is tenuous and the guarantees of it being fulfilled are weak.
Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that may cost Russia little. If Putin doesn't get his way next week he will next month or next year at the latest. The article below delves into why this conflict won't be over until Putin says its over.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/putin-scores-more-points-in-ukraine.html
All roads lead to Putin !:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MxkKN4wA45o/VGgYw_R_tXI/AAAAAAAA34s/xi0ld4gykJ...
"It's not important how many enemy there are, what is important is the sacred place that you defend"
hehe.