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Polar Vortex 2.0 Arrives - All 50 States Will Freeze Tonight

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3 months ago we warned US economic growth faced a challenge more powerful than any Fed-sponsored miracle could handle and 3 weeks ago Yellen's worst nightmare began to loom on the chilly horizon. But tonight, from the depths of the night, the cruel monetary-policy-nullifying devil of Polar Vortex 2.0 arrives as all 50 states (yes even Hawaii) will see temperatures drop below freezing...

 

h/t @Grant_Gilmore

 

On the bright side, companies will have more than just strong dollar and weak foreign growth to blame for earnings weakness... weather is back baby!!

h/t @Met_mdClark

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Just one thing for those celebrating the drop in gas prices at the pump as some tax cut for the consumer (which it is not - it merely allocates the same aggregate spending dollars from gas to a different consumable - leaving aggregate spending just the same - or less in fact should consumers, as in Japan's balance sheet recession, choose to minimize debt as opposed to maximize profits or living standards with their extra cash)... this is what happened to home electricity bills last year... (now is that a tax hike for the consumer?)

 

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Now, the only question is how the resultant tumble in Q4 GDP will be used by the Fed and econo-pundit talking heads to justify a further delay in rate hikes, which consensus expects to take place in Q2 2015 at the latest as a result of recent seasonally massaged "strong data", or better yet, force the Fed to resume liquidity injections once it is revealed that the ECB's intervention is limited to verbal jawboning, while Japan's runaway import cost inflation and plunging real wages lead to a revulsion against Abenomics and Abe in 2015, and a premature end to Japan's epic hyper-reflation experiment and the best laid plans of Goldman Sachs to boost "risk assets" and Goldman year end bonuses.

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Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:25 | 5459977 knukles
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Fuck the 4th quarter

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:28 | 5459992 TeamDepends
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An inconveniant truth: We are freezing our balls off, AlGore!

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:32 | 5460013 knukles
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And been gettin' colder for over 15 years.
Didju all know that it was supposedly by this year, that Al Gore warned us that all of the ice in the Arctic would be gone?
And whatcu think we gots?  Something like a 15 year high ice pack.

Sumptin's fistchy, Luchi!

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:38 | 5460028 NoDebt
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The climate is actually getting warmer.  It's just your perception that's off.

The economy is actually getting better.  It's just your perception that's off.

No matter how you slice it, the problem is YOU, not reality.

 

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:44 | 5460052 NoDebt
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Good link, Pinto.  A must-read, IMHO.  

 

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:50 | 5460068 Macchendra
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No, the oil companies are funding lying climate skeptics.  It's those pesky scientists and their trillion dollar grant money industry.

 

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/australia-blasted-by-record-heat-agai...

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=ano...

 

 

 

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:58 | 5460099 NoDebt
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In the interest of fairness, I read both of the links you posted.  Neither says what you say in your post.  In fact, it could reasonably be said they say almost the opposite.  Neither proclaims the "lying oil companies" are paying to deny global warming.

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:05 | 5460118 quintago
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Hawaii below freezing? These temperatures are all wrong; bunch of BS info you're posting. Check the real weather forecast

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:11 | 5460132 TruthInSunshine
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It's colder than a Hillary's tit.

Boom!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:15 | 5460144 Pladizow
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iPhone lists 54 as coldest in Hawaii?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:26 | 5460167 ACP
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According to the weather channel: Freezing temperatures in Hawaii will be limited to the highest volcanoes and are a function of elevation, not the arctic air mass on the mainland.

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/arctic-cold-outbreak-november...

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:35 | 5460186 Pinto Currency
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Arctic and Antarctic ice caps looking good:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:51 | 5460212 Theosebes Goodfellow
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To be quite honest, I simply don't know why you all are making such a fuss. You guys just need to toughen up a little, if you ask me. It's going to get down to 48 degrees here, (SoCal) overnight. Heck, it's not fit out for man nor beast. /sarc

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:32 | 5460267 Pinto Currency
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Proof that you are simply in denial of the ability of gov to use tax to change the weather.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:08 | 5460319 The9thDoctor
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I remember the "Inconvenient Truth" Al Gore documentary where he got on a scissor lift to show exponential global warming.

He should have rented a backhoe instead and dug a hole on stage and lowered himself into it.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:01 | 5460446 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Doctor.

Ah the poor Americans! "It's too cold to go to the mall today". Lol.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 06:08 | 5460485 Headbanger
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HOPE THE BITTER COLD LASTS LONG ENOUGH FOR THE FERGUSON MO GRAND JURY DECISION

SHOULD BE FUN TO WATCH A BUNCH OF "PROTESTORS" FROZEN SOLID AFTER GETTING BLASTED BY FIRE TRUCK HOSES!

BTW  This came true:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-14/new-york-gets-frigid-winter-war...

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 06:46 | 5460512 AldousHuxley
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here comes another excuse for the retail sector CEOs.....

 

revenues are down due to the weather...

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 13:39 | 5461697 Four chan
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im not going outside.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 09:09 | 5460704 Realname
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Thats what setting fire to all their nieghbors' houses and businesses are for...plenty of warmth.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 09:12 | 5460709 tarsubil
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Did you know that malls were invented in Minnesota due to cold weather in the winter? I believe Southdale in Bloomington was the first.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 13:40 | 5461703 Four chan
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northland mall in southfield michigan was the first.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:54 | 5460355 OldPhart
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All I know is that we are in misery...we closed all the windows and turned the heat to 85.  It's fuckng' freezing here in the desert...it's below 50 right now...holy shit!!

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 07:08 | 5460539 nmewn
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I'm long the thinly traded polar bear retail ETF!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 08:36 | 5460654 Burticus
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The forecast for the weather station at 12,877 feet elevation near the top of Mauna Kea on the Big Island says the temperature will drop to 30F tonight.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 13:13 | 5461569 Pie rre
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Tue, 11/18/2014 - 09:21 | 5460730 de3de8
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And clit

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:24 | 5460165 Long-John-Silver
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At least 7 States (of Obama's 57 States) are not reporting freezing temperatures. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:44 | 5460202 nope-1004
Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:56 | 5460221 Kirk2NCC1701
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Fair enough, but if I were Tyler (who does not like being upstaged), I'd counter that it WILL be freezing tonight at the Astronomical Observatory on Mount Haleakala Observatory on Maui.  So... freeze you!

p.s.  You're welcome, Tyler.   ;-)

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:13 | 5460371 Mac Avelli
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Haleakala may be freezing, but I'm lounging in Kihei right now at a comfy 73 degrees...

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:55 | 5460222 mathdock
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Mauna Kea's astronomical and atmospheric observatories are regularly at subfreezing.  When The Hurricane blew by the Big Island last month, there were winter storm warnings posted for both Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa.  Hawaii's NBD. And Alaska's never in the same polar vortex as us.  Fairbanks is ALWAY subfreezing by October---it's a stone's long throw from Denali---errrrrr, Mt McKinley.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:35 | 5460271 TahoeBilly2012
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This is good toughen us up for the coming war with Russia....next up, practicing not eating for two weeks.... with the furnace off...and no water! Get in shape men, we got 9 times zones to occupy!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:57 | 5460357 OldPhart
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You go ahead, I'll stay here and guard the kids and, most importantly, the wimmen folk.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:09 | 5460367 winchester
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u can't beat em in this game, they are genetically prepared to cold, u r not. period.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:15 | 5460376 Quantum Nucleonics
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Well, it is and isn't BS.  It is BS in the sense that it is somehow unusual that it should be cold this time of year.  What the fear-mongering media (including sadly ZH) now call Polar Vortex x.y we used to call winter.

It's not BS in the sense that for certain places in Hawaii, it is always freezing... Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa, Haleakala... they're all over 12,000 feet.  For the observatory up on Mauna Kea, above freezing is damn fine weather.  Thankfully, the control center is down near sea level.  As bad as the cold weather is the altitude sickness.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:41 | 5460395 Bay of Pigs
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Sorry pal, but you are wrong. Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa are both over 14K while Haleakala is only 10K ft high.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:47 | 5461265 Matt
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1. It is still autumn

2. I suspect a reason is we now have sufficient satellite and ground station coverage to see WHY we are experiencing weather X at whatever time. It is just a matter of having more information.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:53 | 5460081 Hobo Sapien
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this

"Hedonic adjustment of temperature"

made me laugh.

But it was that sad laugh of tragi-comic reality, the facepalm laugh, like it would be a funny idea if it weren't really happening.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:59 | 5460095 Thanatos
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This shit is straight out of a freaking SPED written Sci-Fi script.

Come on man, how in the fuck can this vortex's timing get any better.

Chill out those Ferguson Riots... Keep the EE-Bola inside... Economy Took a shit?

Sheeeit... Dial up a Vortex and Chill those niggas out.

You ever hear that saying: Who ya gonna believe? Me or Your Lying eyes?

I think they got real good at dialing up that Vortex shit sometime before sept 2005.

They ran a test with it.

Now they took it skiing and are up having lots of cold weather fun with it.

According to DoD attorneys, they can't use it in war or peace against an enemy as it would be a "war crime"..

So... They use it on us. That is ok with the DoD attorneys.

 

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:26 | 5460171 wintermute
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"Come on man, how in the fuck can this vortex's timing get any better."

HAARP?

Note that Alaska is -10 already.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:27 | 5460173 Long-John-Silver
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If you ever questioned in the existence of God, He's laughing his ass off right now.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:41 | 5460194 Hobo Sapien
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Here: go to town:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvdP2nCPbAU

Didja know they have weather derivatives now? Yeah you can place large leveraged bets on the weather.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:58 | 5460476 Advoc8tr
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We are baking to death over here ... the grass is brown and crunchy, plants dying and the temp 35 - 43 C already and it is not even summer yet.  I dream about being lucky enough to land a polar vortex.

More extreme extremes at both ends ... just depends where you are.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 09:29 | 5460747 RaceToTheBottom
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I saw McStain on the boob-tube last night.  It is his problem....

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:38 | 5460031 CrazyCooter
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I just checked WUnderground and it might dip below freezing overnight here in AK, but it looks high 30s and low 40s for the rest of the week.

Was clear and chilly the past few days to a week though.

Missed the aurora last night too ...

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/AuroraForecast

... and looks like fog coming in tonight.

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:17 | 5460454 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

All I remember about Alaska was getting attacked by mosquitoes. Literally. Out in the bush driving to Homer stopped in Kenai to watch the salmon fishermen. Thick swarms of fucking American mosquitoes.

"GET ME BACK TO RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK!".

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 14:42 | 5461946 Me.Grimlock
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No. Please stay away.  We don't want you here.  Is that you, Gargs?

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:40 | 5460038 KnuckleDragger-X
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Ice already forming in the Great Lakes this early means things will be getting real interesting real soon.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:25 | 5460166 AchtungAffen
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Yankees have a cold spell and they automatically think that throwing millions of years of carbon stored underground into the atmosphere in a geological nano-second means nothing... If you had read a little more you'd know that the polar vortex is caused by wind currents which kept the cold air in the poles (yeah, the poles are still cold duh) getting weaker due to warming, allowing for cold air to go further to the equator than it usually did. In average, GLOBAL ONE (get your head out of your ass), the atmosphere has been getting warmer. And the warmest years have happened since 2000.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:51 | 5460213 Harry Dong
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Science will get you down voted 2 to 1 on the night shift. Don't take it personally. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:11 | 5460323 The9thDoctor
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[Junk] Science will get you down voted 2 to 1 on the night shift. Don't take it personally.

There.  I fixed it for ya ;)

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:53 | 5460215 Rock On Roger
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Then the earth had a crustal displacement and the poles were in a different place.

 

It is funny how the earth wobbles so much.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:22 | 5460456 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

Last time I was in Russia I met a lot of Poles so I guess you're right.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:41 | 5461246 AchtungAffen
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No but your text comprehension skills suck: "If you had read a little more you'd know that the polar vortex is caused by wind currents which kept the cold air in the poles (yeah, the poles are still cold duh) getting weaker due to warming, allowing for cold air to go further to the equator than it usually did". There, re-read please.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:10 | 5460242 mathdock
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Sorry, but there were two years during the Dust Bowl years:  1937 for sure, and I think 1936 or 38.  37 is still number 1 all-time (well, since 1887) for the US, and there weren't enough reliable temp readings across the planet to compute a useful average. Europe could be counted on during most years--except during the World Wars; Russia had its Czars and their Prime Ministers and Soviet Science to keep us wondering--temperatures were a State Secret after the Napoleonic Wars.  I thjnk Aussies were pretty good, forget Antarctica until the 60's, Greeenland and Iceland pretty good, US good, Canada good, India mostly good most places (having the British Empire was good for the out-of-the way places, but forget Indonesia, SE Asia and most of Africa.    What's an average temperature globally without a reading per 100 square miles, or less with elevation changes, and sea surface temps every 1000 square miles, with more near or in the curents?

Satellite-level temp readings began to be effective in the 90's.  So, Shorty, in what pond do you want to compare the size of your fish?  I like satelllites, but we're only into our third decade.  

The number of assumptions to average anything else is astonishing.  The best one can hope for are the time series at as many sites as we have.  Forget averaging across sites.  Focus only on the sites themselves.  Then we can compare our fish fairly.  My fish says the 13-year pause just might reverse cyclically if the sun stays pretty quiet.  Maunder Minima, anyone?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:14 | 5460375 OldPhart
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"The number of assumptions to average anything else is astonishing."

 

My average assumption is that absolutely everything we're told by government is 99% bullshit.  Corallary is that 99% of everything we fund is absolute bullshit.

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:27 | 5460457 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

I'll take a Maunder Minima if you create with crushed ice and Tequila. Anyone else?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:19 | 5460326 stacking12321
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hey, that's not very nice, you shouldn't call us yankees stupid, just because we are.

we are  a proud people. very proud.

USA #1! USA#1! USA#1!!!!!!11!1!11!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:15 | 5460372 The Wedge
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Funny, meteorologists use to call "polar vortex" Alberta Clipper. Change the name and hype the hell out of it. Even the latest IPCC report admits that it has been cooling for some time now. They're scrambling to explain the "pause" because there is just no way that their premise could be wrong. But no I'm not suppose to question the science. I'm not suppose to point out that Ice caps grow and recede. I'm not suppose to point out that C02 levels have been much higher in the distant past than now. I'm not suppose to point out that the ambient temps coincide with sun cycles.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:47 | 5461263 AchtungAffen
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Oh, it says it's been cooling huh? Says who again? And please cite from the actual IPCC.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:21 | 5460379 Mac Avelli
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Maybe it's human caused, and maybe it could be something bigger than what we humans have done in the last 150 years, on a planet with 5 billion years of history we know nothing about being bombarded with solar rays we know little about; 

But yeah, lets shut down the few remnants of our economy and progress we have left.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 06:44 | 5460508 the tower
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We can also use it to our economic benefit, it could be the next growth industry we need. Or do you prefer sending your money to camelfuckers in the middle east???????

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 09:24 | 5460743 The Wedge
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I would love to have "green" energy. Renewables non-fossil fuels etc.. But it will likely never go beyond 10% of energy production. Hell, it will be a miracle if it ever reached that level. The laws of physics are hard to overcome. Should we give up? Of course not. But don't delude yourself into thinking we can just move to green energy. A lot of these green energy tech companies are preying on the public's lack of understanding. They hype up this or that ignoring fundamental basic science. Solar has the best shot IMO. If we can figure out how to increase it's efficiency significantly and increase battery storage, it may be the type that gets us to, lets be realistic, near 10%. But more likely it would take something like cold fusion (nuclear without the radiation) to revolutionize the energy we use. Remember, nothing produces more energy than it consumes with the exception of the chain reaction created by splitting or fusing atoms.

And by the way the US gets the majority of it's oil from Canada, Mexico and of course domestic.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:58 | 5461307 Matt
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The Dakotas could have a huge set of wind farms that would provide nearly all the power for all of North America, if you could get the grid upgraded to handle it - it is a political and economic problem, not a physics or technology problem.

Thermal solar with molten salt seems a better solution than batteries to me, so the solar power can provide base load and should last a lot longer at much lower cost than batteries. 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:54 | 5464085 The Wedge
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No, wind is a dead end. The logistics make something on that magnitude impossible. The larger the farm the the less efficient it is when you factor in the enormity of engineering and maintenance. It becomes a net energy loser and almost all energy sources are the difference being abundance and ease of conversion. Even nuclear becomes a net energy loser when you factor in the all the energy needed to operate and deal with the waste. When you talk about powering a large grid, for the moment, fossil fuels are far more efficient. The amount of releasable energy (British Thermal Unit) in fossil fuels exceeds what can be converted from wind and solar. This is a hard fact that cannot easily be overcome.

Technology or innovation is not an issue. There are a lot of motivated, smart people making huge strides in these areas, like wind. Wind turbines have been made much more efficient than in the past and the same with solar. But there are limitations. Wind will not be able to power a large grid like the US has at least not for any sustainable amount of time.

The problems are political, economic and physical. Physics being the most difficult to overcome or at least the logical first issue to deal with.

 

However, take away the idea of powering a large grid and replace it with a community or individual based solution and some of the physics problems are much less relevant.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 10:15 | 5460851 ElvisDog
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The problem with switching to green energy, is there is no way to feed 7 billion people without oil and natural gas. None, nada, zip, the numbers don't add up. At best the world could support 3-4 billion people without using carbon-based fuels for agriculture. So, the carbon-free green utopia you dream of requires killing off about half the world's population. What's your plan to do that?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:48 | 5461269 AchtungAffen
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If we don't control our numbers nature will do it for us. And that ain't gonna be pretty.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:11 | 5463949 The Wedge
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You first

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 12:03 | 5461317 Matt
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Using petro-agriculture, sure. Nitrogen fixation is not that complicated; check out aquaponics. Urine from humans and feces from fish and chickens are rich in materials for bacteria to upgrade into nitrates. Also, you can grow plants in mixed crops with no-till or you can use crop rotation to enrich the soil in nitrate-fixing bacteria.

The bigger issue is how labour-intensive farming without oil is; it would probably take 50% of the population working in food production to feed everyone. At least it solves unemployment. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 07:13 | 5460542 Vendetta
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at least china will get to pollute as freely as they wish for at least another 16 years to send their shit to the shelf at your friendly neighborhood walmart and their ilk

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:46 | 5460470 Waihi
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Don't let the data get in the way of your misguided beliefs Knucklehead.

After a relatively cool start — January and March were only the fourth or fifth warmest months globally in man's recorded temperature history —this year has already featured the warmest April, May, June, August, September and October on record.

And, in a delicious piece of irony at the G20 on Sunday (for the Australian Prime Minister who declared "climate change is crap" ), Brisbane had it's hottest day in November on record...by 4 degrees centigrade. That's 7 degrees farenheit. That is outrageous, akin to breaking the 100m record by over a second.

Get real Knuckles...

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 06:03 | 5460480 Advoc8tr
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Fuck it was hot ! 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 08:21 | 5460621 overmedicatedun...
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From AP on worlds largest solar power station owned by NRG and Google...let your heads explode as the solar power station needs ....wait for it needs: nat gas to power it..solar indeed.


 

"The operation of such plants is highly dependent on weather conditions, and predicting when and how strongly the sun will shine is not a perfect science.

A little bit of inefficiency with mirrors can translate into a loss of power output ranging from small to significant, said Dr. Neil Fromer, executive director of the Resnick Sustainability Institute at the California Institute of Technology.

Problems could include getting the thousands of mirrors pointed in precisely the right direction, especially in the cool early morning, or keeping them clean in the dusty Mojave Desert.

Operators initially expected to need steam from gas-powered boilers for an hour a day during startup. After operations began, they found they needed to keep boilers running more than four times longer - an average of 4 1/2 hours a day.

State energy regulators in August approved the plant's request to increase the natural gas it is allowed to burn by 60 percent."

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 10:05 | 5460840 ElvisDog
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Waihi, you are an idiot. The "fourth or fifth warmest months globally" this year were due to "hedonic adjustments" in the raw temperature data. In other words, they made shit up. If you look at the actual raw measurement data, there are some portions of the globe that are warming, some parts that are cooling, but net-net it was a wash.

Do you know why we have the leaders that we do? Because there are so many fucking stupid people in the world.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 06:41 | 5460506 the tower
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You're confusing weather with climate. Over here in Europe our winters are getting warmer all the time, we have record rainfall and flooding, and the alps have less and less snow - many resorts have switched to summer holidays as their income, instead of ski holidays.

We are talking about severe climate change, and the effects cannot be predicted. This was the error that politicians and scientists made at first, to make predictions.

Climate change is a fact, so we should embrace it and use it to our economic benefit, while saving our future, by developing sustainable energy, and energy use.

As a side-effect we could become independent from the Middle East, and China. What American (or European) can be against this?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 12:38 | 5461406 Matt
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The big thing is that a lot of people don't want a new tax along with a new giant government department, nor do they want to line the pockets of Goldman Sachs with rigged carbon credit markets. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 10:01 | 5460832 ElvisDog
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Didju all know that it was supposedly by this year, that Al Gore warned us that all of the ice in the Arctic would be gone?

My full-retard liberal aunt was telling me about a story she heard recently on NPR. It was one of their stupid "real people in the world" segments where a man and his 8 year-old daughter were drving through Florida. The man told the daughter that by the time she was an adult, the sea levels would rise due to climate change to above the lifeguard towers (10 feet or more!). "But we won't be able to live here any more, daddy" the little girl wailed.

My aunt believed this story without question. I did some quick math and reminded her that if the sea levels were going to rise 10 feet in 10 years, that would mean they would be rising a foot a year. "Have the sea levels been rising a foot a year lately?", I asked her.

"I didn't hear that part of the story", she replied.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 10:56 | 5461048 orez65
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Liberals come in 2 flavors:

1. Incompetent

2. Genocidal. The most dangerous kind, which includes Al Gore.
They think of all humans, except themselves, as a cancer on Earth.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:35 | 5460026 I am a Man I am...
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but global warming caused this, no matter what happens, it's all caused by global warming, even global cooling, it's all so very circular…..where have i heard circular arguments before??

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 06:42 | 5460507 the tower
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The proper term is climate change. Which is exactly what's happening.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 07:58 | 5460593 stilletto
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Correct. Climate Change is a NATURAL phenomenon that has been going on for the life of the planet. Its driven principally by the Suns variations and the variations in the earths orbit and axis (earth tilt varies from 22deg to 24,5 over approx 24,000yr cycle). Hence we get the 11yr solar cycle and the 600yr climate cycle (maunder minimum was part of that, so to the Roman warm period, the cold dark ages, the medieval warm period , then the little ice-age, and now the modern warm period). Question is are we still in the natural warming cycle of the last 150yrs or are we at a natural cycle reverse and starting to cool given the 15yrs of global cooling we have experienced. Until we fully understand the natural cycles talk of mans pipsqueek effect is irrelevant. Whats more, there is no proof yet that atmospheric CO2 causes warming (though it is proved that warming causes CO2 to rise). However atmospheric H2O (clouds!) causes warming so best the Govt bans the boiling of water! Tax the kettles and coffeemakers!!!!

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:49 | 5460071 TeamDepends
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Clearly hypothermia has set in as we missed the obvious typo......brrrrr......

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:22 | 5460159 knukles
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Typothermiatm
New term for the manipulation weather/climate data.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:28 | 5460176 TeamDepends
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Werks for us..... So cold.....

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:07 | 5460238 Uchtdorf
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I like it! Of course, I would like it even more if I had thought of it. Mind if I borrow it? Thanks!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:55 | 5460302 Otrader
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Stop scrooing around TD.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:26 | 5460169 oudinot
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Depends: "its an inconvenient truth".

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 09:57 | 5460825 Agstacker
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I miss global warming...

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 10:47 | 5461004 orez65
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Global warming causes global cooling!!

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:38 | 5460036 Bossman1967
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come on folks in Furgesson will keep us warm all winter as they set all this country on fire. The ROOF the ROOF the ROOF is on fire and we dong give a damn let the mother fucker burn.
all this jawboning about the cold and it's almost winter hello

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:27 | 5460459 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

Hello hello.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:46 | 5460053 Statetheist
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Not going to freeze here tonight, or ever. Must suck for the rest of you living in such shitty weather climates.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:45 | 5460054 Statetheist
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Honestly I don't understand how you people tolerate living in such awful places where it gets to below freezing.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:06 | 5460111 JLee2027
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What wonderful civilizations have the tropics produced? I can't think of one. Even Ancient Egypt was in an Ice Age 4,000 years ago.

 

All that nice warm weather just makes men lazy.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:18 | 5460152 Pladizow
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Um hello, Brazil and their famed wax?!?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:21 | 5460252 mathdock
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Some might say the Maori did some pretty good work across the Pacific; now I wasn't aware that Egypt's ice was nipping at their toes in 2000 BC.  The Maya/Inca/Aztec group did well for themselves, but your right: freezing is an essential part of making a civilization robust, and not too close to the malaria havens.  No DDT back then to kick the mosquitos off the curb.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:44 | 5460398 JLee2027
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Book of Job reports snow in Egypt, at the time the pyramids were built. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:07 | 5460448 effendi
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It snows in winter in Egypt in a few locations. Last year a group of tourists died of exposure near Mt St Catherine.

I don't know what you Yanks are complaining about, had a heatwave here in Sydney a few days ago (110 degrees in my suburb) and it isn't Summer for another 2 weeks (summer starts on 1st December here).

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:45 | 5460347 The Wedge
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The last full glacial period on earth was about 10-12,000 years ago.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:35 | 5460455 JLee2027
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You present that as fact, when it's really just conjecture and opinion. None of the dating can be proven. At least with the Book of Job we have an actual eyewitness written account at that time by someone living in Egypt. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 08:53 | 5460672 The Wedge
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No, it's pretty much fact. Geologic record, ice core sampling and mud sampling. The Ohio valley, The Great Lakes. All backed up by multidisciplinary sciences.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 20:24 | 5462174 JLee2027
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Actually no, that's all opinion based on assumptions. Naturalists assume there was no global flood. If you assume there was a global flood, everything changes.

The Geological record (Geological column actually from the 1800's) of "millions of years" is based on circular reasoning. They date soil and rock layers by what fossils are found in that layer. They date the fossils based on what layer they are found in. It makes no sense when you think about it. There are also, numerous missing layers (the walls of the Grand Canyon are an excellent way to see this) where a layer comprising "millions of years" is suddenly missing, however the layer above and layer below are still present. There is no explanation for this from naturalists.

Missing layers however, are very obviously explained, by wave action of sediment deposits and water runoff from a global flood, which the naturalists refuse to accept. The true fact that greater then 75% of the earth's surface is sediment deposits (prima facie evidence of a worldwide flood) is also ducked by naturalists who again simply ignore the evidence. So are the marine fossils on mountain tops worldwide ignored. This includes Mount Everst, which you can google to see these marine fossils laying on the surface. Naturalists say the fossils prove Everst was once under the sea and the mountains took "millions of years" to build. If that was true, then the fossils would not be openly laying on the surface, they would be buried or eroded away by time and exposure to the elements. So it's not true, the fossils must have been recently formed. In conclusion, the Geological record and fossils were created in the Global Flood during which sediment was deposited up to 1000 meters depth over the original surface. Perhaps averaged 60% erosion on water runoff.  Some more, some less.

On ice cores, the World War II squadron of 8 aircraft that landed in Greenland showed the dating of ice core samples is plain wrong. After 50 years, the squadron was found buried under "thousands of years" of ice based on ice core assumptions of dating. You can google "the lost squadron of Greenland". Dating of ice cores have never been shown to be correct, only incorrect. So ice core dating and it's assumptions are incorrect. 

Just because disciplines (athiestic ones) "agree" with one another based on reasoning founded on old science from the 1800's and ignoring evidence does not make them correct. Consensus science is a group think logic trap, the consensus having been wrong many times through history.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:59 | 5463907 The Wedge
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Nonsensical gobldy gook

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:28 | 5463998 JLee2027
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Not at all.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:14 | 5460131 mrpxsytin
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Unfortunately, due to global warming the global cooling is only set to get worse, and soon nowhere on earth will be safe from the global warming cooling effect. So be prepared for global warming and make sure you've got a good heating system. 

But make sure the heating system does not use carbon based energy sources because that will only increase the cooling effects of global warming. But you can't have a solar powered system either because sun is quite low intensity during winter (especially cloudy winters). A wind powered system may work for a time, but once the carbon tax starts reversing global warming we will no longer have any high wind weather so you may find your wind turbine running very infefficiently. 

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:37 | 5460391 Ward no. 6
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it is horrible esp when i used to live in phoenix...

i really think i need to get out of here

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:02 | 5460232 Mermaid Seamstress
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It does suck. Every winter in MN I question why I'm here. Then I realize how WASP-dominant my state is and I tell myself one more year is possible.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:03 | 5460109 JLee2027
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Al Gore is not happy.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:23 | 5460161 knukles
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True.
Al is too fat to be a dwarf.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:53 | 5460299 Otrader
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He got his 100 $mil....He'll always be happy.  His jet is not powered with biodiesel, either.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:00 | 5460229 Aeternus
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I love winter, my brain runs hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlEHBefkm58

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 04:02 | 5460413 JB
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When i was a kid, they used to call this Polar Vortex thing WINTER.

 

It happens the same time every year, folks.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 08:45 | 5460664 Bokkenrijder
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Global warming folks, it's real...

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:24 | 5459979 motorollin
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Long UGAZ!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 10:39 | 5460954 gimme soma dat
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Long Uggs! 

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:26 | 5459984 DaddyO
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Pretty Colors, when do the trails kick in?

The HELSD this administration is putting out is mind blowing...

DaddyO

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:27 | 5459987 blindman
Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:27 | 5459991 Evil Bugeyes
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This freezing is all caused by global warming. \s

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:31 | 5460009 Okienomics
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It's "climate change"; get with the program.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:42 | 5460041 KnuckleDragger-X
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"Climate Disruption" is the cool term now....

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 02:34 | 5460339 The9thDoctor
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It was global cooling in the 1970s.  They should have stuck with that bullshit theory because it would have actually worked in the 2010s decade.

On wikipedia that any basement dweller can edit, they claim, as of this post mind you

This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community,

Yeah, and I'm sure in the year 2034, if I look up "global warming" it too will say...

This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community,

Scientific revisionism is so funny.  They even put organized religion to shame.  And yes, I hate BOTH science AND religion.  They are both equally bullshit. But in the 1970s all of the scientific doom peddling was nuclear winter and global cooling.  It was on PBS, National Geographic, textbooks, school lectures etc. in the '70s that global cooling, a new ice age was going to wipe out humanity, was the big scare.  The millenials are totally unaware of what these white lab coats where "teaching" their parents.

Even Obama's science czar John P Holdren (remember Ecoscience, the book that called for a "global planetary regime" to enforce population control, yeah that guy and that book!)  He has whole chapter in there about global cooling and the upcoming ice age.  This is the type of crackpot lunacy that's being taught.  It makes sky wizards seem more logical in comparison.  Each generation gets their dose of bullshit, and this is why it was Winston's metaphoric job in the novel 1984 to memory hole history.  This way the establishment can make up crap as they go along and not get pointed out, even by highly intelligent people who should know better.

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:31 | 5460384 cherry picker
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Common sense tells you science hasn't got a clue about this planet's long term weather patterns, particularly when it comes to forecasting the future.

Even with all the tools they have at present, they cannot accurately forecast the weather a measly 48 hours in advance, never mind a week.  A two week forecast is a joke.

We only had some accurate world wide temperature readings for a very short time.  This globe has been around forever.

I rest my case.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 13:18 | 5461598 Matt
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Thousands of nuclear bombs were tested in the 50s and 60s, so there certainly could have been dimming and cooling effects as a result. Since much of it was classified at the time, it seems plausible that non-military scientists would not be able to correctly identify the source, and assume it was a natural cycle.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:45 | 5461261 nc551
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True science is a beautiful thing.  If it isn't a hard science it is a joke.  Psychology, sociology, climatology, economy... all witchcraft.  Feynman has some good comments on how hard it is to truly understand stuff even in physics where we should have the ability to truly test and prove hypotheses.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 11:50 | 5461275 piratepiet
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" If it isn't a hard science it is a joke"

The divisions between the diffent fields of science exist only in (y)our mind.  Maybe the joke is on you. 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 12:01 | 5461314 nc551
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Sure it is all subjective.  But.. there is no way to honestly come to the conclusion that initiating violence against others is the thing to do in the name of science if you stick with the hard ones.  If you believe in the pseudo science crap that tells you the actions of others are hurting you it makes sense.  Math and physics (however wrong they are) line up pretty well with things like getting punched in the face and your property transported away from you.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 13:14 | 5461585 Matt
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I don't think it is that subjective. If a formula can be tested independantly by anyone and they end up with the same results, it seems a pretty "hard" science, versus observations and conclusions that are non-repeatable.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:29 | 5459994 himaroid
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My co-co-co-co-co-nu-nu-nu-nuts is fro o o o oze.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:30 | 5459998 starman
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Long on mitten sales! 

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:31 | 5460003 limacon
Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:44 | 5460051 cornflakesdisease
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Would you stop plugging this blog.  Try writing it in coherent sentences.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:31 | 5460006 Bumbu Sauce
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Weather is NEEEEWWWWWSSXXXXXXZZZXXCCCCSSSSQ!!!!

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:43 | 5460046 NoDebt
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I don't even know what that means, but it's funny.

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:31 | 5460007 Catullus
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That coned rate is if you're dumb enough to be on month to month.

Just wait till it gets hot in ERCOT some year. $9/kWh. No joke. $9,000/mwh cap with an additional $2,000/mwh ORDC added in if the supply goes down.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:34 | 5460464 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

Soon you will learn to burn your poo. 0.15/kWh. Living easy!

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:34 | 5460021 Jack Burton
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North Eastern Minnesota sits under the coldest blue on the map! Something we are well used to. In fact, by the standards of my youth, this is just any old normal early November. Since the 90's, it has been much warmer than my youth, but the polar vortex brings it all back to normal for the 1970's. That was a cold fucking decade, I mean fucking cold! -40 below was way to frequent in Dec-Jan. We had electric engine heaters that kept the engine block warm all night, so oil was loose and the engine would start, if your battery was not dead from cold. We often took that inside over night and dropped it in before heading for work. The joys of Minnesota living. One good thing, it has kept the rappers the fuck out of here!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:03 | 5460050 KnuckleDragger-X
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When the glaciers start forming up there, just walk across the border and tell them your hispanic and want register as a Democrat.....

Mon, 11/17/2014 - 23:56 | 5460079 himaroid
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The chiggers were just as bad as the (homies) down here this year.

I hope all the fucking spiders, wasps, chiggers, ticks, no see ums, mayflies and skeeters that feasted on my ass this year FREEZE 10 generations worth.

 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:07 | 5460122 Miffed Microbio...
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No, they will just move out here, go on public assistance and never leave having now found bug nirvana. My ass thanks you.

Miffed

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:19 | 5460154 himaroid
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Ha!

The feast-ee gets bigger every year.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:21 | 5460160 Pladizow
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There's a black Asian problem?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:54 | 5460219 Pareto
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+1 but wtf is a chigger?

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:01 | 5460231 Rusty Shorts
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 - "a creature so foul and so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived." ..in other words, hell on earth Pareto 

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 01:52 | 5460297 Pareto
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i just looked it up - shit.  thats a creepy fucking critter alright.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:36 | 5460119 Rusty Shorts
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,

 

 

THREAT LEVEL - BLUE/RED

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 00:20 | 5460157 Toyota echo
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Minocqua Wisconsin we had liquid propane at the stove, had to wait till it warmed up to -50 to get gas!!

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 03:11 | 5460368 Ward no. 6
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i can't stand mn sometimes...

wish i were back in az

the roads are so bad from the latest bizzard

i have nothing but car problems in the winter

last year was a nightmare of below zero most of the time

guess it is suppose to get in the 30's saturday....

that is warm relatively speaking....

we are looking forward to 30.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 05:40 | 5460467 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

We have no winter to speak of in Bangalore. I just thought I'd let you know.

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