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Grubergate For Idiots (Such As American Voters): All You Need To Know In 2 Minutes
Confused at just what Jonathan Gruber, friend (or not friend) of President Obama and Nancy Pelosi, said (and didn't say)? Here is the two-minute idiot's guide to the Obamacare architect (or not Obamacare architect)'s controversial comments (and just who did and did not know him)...
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Mcgruber the sequel
Gay Goober Gate.... GGG
Like the CCC (CIvilian Conservation Corps) of old but with even more socialism.
If Gruber hasn't sucked/fucked a few thousand dicks, then that lisp is misleading (much like ACA)
That "plausible deniability" thing gone horribly wrong. Pathological liars gone Full Retard.
Another Booker T jonney I'll bet.
"Gee, I just learned about this yesterday"...
The hubris of this prick is unprecedented...
Jon... AKA "Money" Gruber
The 6 million dollar man...
Day tinks wez stoopid
Day nose wez stoopid
(Record US snow coverage btw...)
http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/US_Snow_Cover-17Nov2014...
I blame the weaponized chlorovirus algae that Israel added to our water supplies:
Chlorovirus ATCV-1 is part of the human oropharyngeal virome and is associated with changes in cognitive functions in humans and mice
Even the mice seem dumber than usual.
"The 6 million dollar man"
Steve Austin ~ A man BARELY ALIVE ~ lol
Oscar Goldman was the real hero, of course
f in f ed up fin mess, ha...
I figure that he is not at risk of anything happening to him because he is on the payroll and doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing.
Obama has served his purpose and is expendable. Now the game is to trash the democrats to swing popular opinion in the opposite direction in order to get the next puppet into the White House.
It's just a game. You have to follow the bouncing ball.
REPEAL it. Now.
Where's LTER to defend Gruber Governance?
Gruber Pyle USMCF (US Medical Care Fraud).....golllollly
Misdirection and sleight of hand.
Grubergate over Floundergate.
Stupid American people...
I'll just be here, still cleaning this gun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDTsLjDf_uE
I wonder if The Grubershtein monitors these posts. The Pelozim and the Baucazim sure as hell do (from their little enclave somewhere in Utah, or Haifa, or Alexandria, VA.).
You're wrong, 'espirit'. A floundering administration isn't a Constitutional issue per se. It's all the OTHER SHIT; that adds up, over time, that leads to an outright revolution (with guns and tanks and firetrucks). Always remember that Mitt Romney hired this schmuck tuckus 'Gruber' to draft the blueprint for Massachussetts ('ROMNEYCARE').
DAMN. THAT'S RAYCISS!
HMMM...
Seems to me that 'esprit-de-corps' is one of the USMC's favorite things. It's like a 'stiff upper lip' or a 'chin up' for the palmies.
I kinda miss Mitch Miller.
(crying)
I had a man crush on him as a small boy
Let it go, little hombre.
The NAMBLA thing is in the distant past.
I think Gruber's nose is kind of cute, though. <sarc>
THE PERFECT MAN:
A nose like Gruber's. The body of Rock Hudson. The contacts of Sheldon Adelson. The greedy mind of Von Rumpoy. The stamina of (name your favorite male porn star here, such as Reggie Love). The religion of the 'protocols'.
Obola (Cannigula the First) would be changing his tune in front of those G-20 leaders, defending him with a RISING need to COME to his aid (don't you think?).
Isn't that you in the front row, knukles...
I guess the feeling was mutual, huh?
"But Mr. Miller... I don't want to sing along any more. Can I put my clothes back on, now?"
Same agenda, different mask - we're so damned gullible ... squirrel!
Iz gettin so cold frum all dat heat, I cant stanz it any more
Where's Al Gore to shovel when we needs his ass.
Fat pecker head
I think that would be 10 million
I think he needs to both be sued and jailed for criminal fraud against the American people.
He just admitted that he was party to the intentionally defrauding of the American people who were too stupid to know that they were the victims of a confidence game.
"I think he needs to both be sued and jailed for criminal fraud against the American people."
He'll probably flee, "return," before we get him.
An American, not US subject.
Zionist dictionary: "Return." To flee, abscond. Usually with the loot of ones schemes, scams and/or ponzi operations.
He currently works at MIT in the Economics Department...
My wager is that he is a victim of an "in house" assassination so that they can blame the "Right Wing Extremists". Or perhaps somebody outside of the Government will actually do the job that needs to be done..
So who will be the huckleberry?
Listen.
Oh my. I don't want to view the video. My opinion of America is already in the "SHITCAN".
Listen.
But listen. I'd be interested in viewing any and all videos of USSA FBI agents getting woop-assed or "DOUBLE TAPPED". Please link videos here:
Two "listens"? You sound desperate. Get a dog. They'll listen to every word you say, as long as you are holding a ham sandwich.
Listen.
I was soliciting for links. I appreciate your response but please stay off this channel if you have no link(s).
Listen
Here ya go: http://www.ladyboytube.tv/
I'm havin' some miniature smoked sausage links for dinner.
Come to think of it, smell kinda reminds me of when my buddy's mom sati'd* herself on her old man's funeral pyre floating on the Ganges in 1967.
*for you non believers.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_%28practice%29
Listen.
Knock it off you two!
Race: Indian!
Looks like you got the double tap you were looking for there shithead...lol.
Listen Rabbi.
What about the Synagogue and your fellow duel citizens? Oh you must be crushed. I'll attribute your comment to your overly emotional "STATE".
Hope your mom's basement floods.
And soon.
Listen.
Building code prohibits basements so close to Ganges. Mom has me in the garage. Carbon Monoxide?
Yea right, like you could really afford a used Maruti Omni...
(Not my junker, btw)
Listen. That has got to be fonestar. He once made a similar joke about living in the attic. LOL.
Yeah, I didn't want to say anything, but yeah.
You're going about it all wrong Banga Din, to be a half way decent troll truly worthy of commenting on ZH, you have to present an element of truth in order for people to accept the big lie you would like them to believe.
You're first mistake is promoting the idea I'm Jewish, everyone knows I'm not, so you've only confirmed yourself as a liar. Your second was not knowing the difference between duel and dual.
So now, choose your weapon asshole.
No no no....it's Bunghole Din
Yes, I know he's meant to distract from the topic...my bad.
Listen Rabbi.
Are you the Rabbi on TeeVee showing how he'll karate chop anyone who tries the knockout game on him or his flock?
Such a tough Rabbi, perfect for Fight Club. Is that why they sent you here? I remember when you first showed up. Lotsa anti-rabbi venom.
Anyhow, got any videos? I like the bleed out ones. Links. Now.
"I remember when you first showed up."
lol...wut?
Don't waste any energy on this troll, he is incoherent...
DaddyO
I've tried to reach out to it ('Bangalore') in the past, but he/she/it seems to be too jaded to understand that not everyone who isn't of his race may not be his enemy. He seems to lash out and assume that everone else is a Ziocon or something. He seems to have a philosophy that 'allows' him to steamroll over anyone else (humanity in total) to achieve whatever 'goals' he PERSONALLY has (at least, according to certain prior postings by himself). Perhaps he's one of the 'higher caste' of Ganges-washing plebes or something.
1.3 billion people in India, and he is the only one that posts on ZH?
Forgive me while I go worship a cow.
BEEF. It's what's for dinner.
As for GRUBER: A special place has been reserved in the bowels of Hell for the likes of this so-called 'man' (but the masses might still help him in his journey there).
ORI posts here, as well. However his posts contribute. So that's at least one poster from India. And one from Mars.
ORI tried to talk him off the ledge at least once that I know of.
I think ORI came to the same conclusion, Banga Din is an insane little troll who just happened to be born in India (or so he says).
I'll bet ya some booze that it's that Googe computer fucking with us before it crashes the marketz
Dear God Man would you please go away! You alone can bring the Right to lifers and the proabortionists together in agreement for the first time in history.
Miffed
LISTEN!
If you-all let them be born, we-all will sacrifice them to our gods! AGREED?
Sincerely,
Bangalore Equity
Go on - it's "good for you"
Nancy Pelosi's performance is particularly stellar . . . . . . . .
'Listen', (that is so f8cked up by the way) but,
as a new member of fight club (been lurking for years though, Thx TD/ZH et al.)
rules say I gotta fight. so 'Listen' up good Bangalore.
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddooooouuuuuuuuuuccccccchhhhhhhhheeee
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNGggggggggggggggggggggggg
YYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyoooooooooUUUUUUUU AAAAARRREeeeeeeee.
(how'd I do)
Listen.
Welcome.
Could you Tweet it out? I read it twice and still nothing...
The vid left out Obozo's speech when he thanked Gruber by name a couple of years ago
Gruber is the ultimate bad taste leftover---Obama/Dems must be hating this. I hope the "Grube" steps it up a notch--
They are marxist not liars.
Not every liar is a marxist. Every marxist is a liar.
Also known to Obama as...Gruber the squeeler.
Accident in a Mercedes coming up?
DavidC
Maybe something more subtle? How about a "medical incident" - resistant infection, lots of surgery, prolonged but inevitable decline??
(Just to send a clear message to others . . . . .)
Fatal heart attack. When in doubt go with old reliable.
Well his voice does sound a little squirrelly. Perhaps a larynx operation a la Joan Rivers?
Miffed
Yeah. Someone probably already had him castrated.
I didn't know that was a requirement for government consultation but it really makes sense. Wow, I learned something new today. ;-)
Miffed
http://youtu.be/o81PdrY8Xu0
impeach all involved, repeal PPACA
Hang all involved and confiscate 100% of their wealth. Then burn the proceeds so it doesn't feed the beast.
C: All of the above
Welcome to socialism!
I have seen it before in the country where I grew up. If you don´t drive a stake through it´s heart - now, it will just grow much bigger,bolder and less discombobulated. You will soon get barked marching orders and cynical information on what groups are "in" (not to be attacked) vs. out (steal everything they have and treat them like dogshit).
You will soon see how the Grubers of thsi world transform from nerdy clowns into the real deal.
Make up your mind. Not much time left.
Gruber sorta looks like a fat American version of Himmler doesn't he?
Who cares at this point
another Jew? ... part of the 2% drafting laws for the other 98% dumb animals...
Jew or not, he's an arrogant elitist Liberal.
agree, but are you still going to "put a cap" in me? you pussy
Whatever you ask for, Boss.
this goes way back asshole, you and some other coward, but let's drop it
You're Lola's gay BF, I didn't forget about you. I don't understand what you mean by let's drop it. I don't have a problem with you, I wish could meet one day.
ok, let's not drop it then,
you and veodokolis(?) talked like tough guys about "capping me" ...recall?
some of the weakest shit I've ever seen on ZH
now you're back...
Do we all not already have enough enemies to be able to rise above and not be enemies amongst ourselves?
Thank you
Why isn't he dead from a nail gun accident? Did he get morals after his million dollar charges? Something stinks here.
That's right a Jew. I don't now how you didn't understand the comment that you commented on. These are the same type of people that helped Hitler dupe the Germans. And how did that work out.
It was always about the British Crown and City of London and central bankers [many Jewish] against the German people. The Nazis were foula and absurd, but a highly probable result of the Treaty of Versaille in which the Warburgs and Montegues and a strangely high number of bankers and various cunts played a role.
And no, Germany did not start world war 1.
And as for Poland during ww2 - the cause for war for Britain, they were so devoted to the Poles that they didn't object when the Bolsheviks invaded from the east 10 days later, and even let Stalin keep all of Poland and a handful of other countries after the war.
It wasn't about Poland, or Hitler.
And you better believe that how ww2 is taught is all about maintaining the power of the Anglo-American-Zionist elite.
Are we not sufficiently advanced in our abilities to think critically to understand that using stupid labels that apply even to people who have done no wrong is not only wasteful but counterproductive?
Not every Jew is a marxist or a criminal. Not every Democrat is any of those things either. Not every Republican. Not every CEO. Not every government employee. Not every professor at elite universities and colleges. Heck, not every banker. But! And this is one important but, unlike Kim's butt. But, every criminal and marxist is our enemy.
Let us understand who the enemy is. Let us properly identify them. Let us properly engage those who mean to do us harm. Let us spare those who do not for if we let ourselves get swept up in the hysteria of hatred like the Nazis we will surely miss the mark, hurt many innocents, and lose the war, just like the Nazis. And the marxists and criminals will get away to repeat their acts of hatred against mankind. Let us not be like Nazis.
Let us be an army of justice.
He also forgot to point out that the British Crown is German.
But hey, TR, don't try and get people to drop their dichotomous understandings of the world... it makes them mad at you.
It already seems like a big chunk of the world is mad at me. Screw 'em. Time to bite back. They want a dictatorship, I'll give 'em one.
dumb animal...don't be so harsh on yourself. actually second thoughts...don;t think you were harsh enough.
Hey asshole, it's not the Hebrews orchestrating this shitstorm. Rockefeller, Dupont and the robber barons weren't of the mosaic persuasion. The tribe simply has the skill set heavily in demand for implementing the above's sociopathic schemes and an unscrupulous few members, a minority, are recruited to their ranks for this purpose.
***Rothschilds have mostly intermarried and assimilated over the past hundred years and there's probably a 90% chance that anyone bearing that name today wouldn't be considered a Jew by Talmudic law.
One tells the truth, and all the rest get caught in lies. WOW that was easy.
Yes but this is the new normal.
One tells lies and the rest denounce and deny. MSM does not cover. Sheeple do not hear and learn.
And that is what a white-collar robbery looks like.
They never have the balls to try something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-k5r1XjWI
They're all reward and no risk. And no sincerity.
What an absolute piece of shit Obama is. Worse yet are the ass hats that voted for him.. twice. How disconnected and disengaged one needed to be to not see the absolute highjacking of the US that this piece of shit was going to subject America to. Anyone that voted for him, shame on you for dropping the ball. Shame on you for your childrens sake.
Obama got 39% of the White vote, due to immigration as recently as 1984 that would have meant Romney would have had a landslide with the percentage of Whites who voted for him.
nancy "lets pass it so we can find out what is in it" pelosi had a clue??
He's right of course, the irony of it is that he is dumb enough to say these things out loud, especially on the government tit for $6M.
Nailgun candidate you think?
There are your domestic terrorists ..... RIGHT THERE !
This is the kind of grand scale looting that happens at the end of empires. How much longer do we have until it's over?
Always much longer than you think possible....
true dat !
They don't have to just take out the USD and establish a world currency they also have to deprive and degrade Middle Class wealth sufficiently so that there will be no political resistance and no economic vitality to oppose the planned feudal overlay.
This is new territory. They never wanted democratic principles and economic plurality to ever flourish beyond their grip. Collapsing Communist Russia and dropping the Iron Curtain was easy because it was never more than a facade to facilitate the expansion of the MIC globally and now domestically. The Globalist's social engineering plans operate on the time scale of decades....centuries.
Hopefully the pursuit of these fundamental human truths to date has sufficently imprinted Liberty into the DNA of the average citizen so that when security is offered as barter for freedom the victims will not react with confused compliance but instead with prosecutorial challenge.
The American Revolution had 3% of the population as resistance. The infowar continues.
compliments of The Crown Negro.
They forgot the clip of Pelosi saying "We have to pass the bill for you to find out what's in it"
Good catch, but you miss spelled Piglosi;)
and YET nothing will happen !!! Guess we are Stupid
Sociopaths. Each and every one...
http://olduvai.ca
It's been a while ... but this seems appropriate and is as true today as it was two years ago. - B. Free
Statist Thugs And The Rocks They Crawl Out From Under
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 11/21/2012 13:18 -0500
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,
A mass exodus from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny is the dream of every freedom loving person within the Liberty Movement today. We would like nothing better than to put an end to the expanding establishment police state in the most peaceful manner possible. We dream of a day when a transition back to the Constitutional values that once made America brilliantly unique in the world is possible, and can be accomplished without incredible pain or terrible bloodshed. We long for that once-in-a-century uprising, that great march, that spontaneous eruption of the citizenry demanding a more truthful government. At the same time, though, we realize that such events are rare, and few if any great changes in the history of man are made without sacrifice, and without direct confrontation.
The reason why peaceful and popular activism almost never occurs successfully, the reason why good people are made to stand and suffer, falls not only to the establishment elites who seek out and abuse power; there are others who share in the blame. Regardless of the age, the culture, or the social conditions, there is ALWAYS a percentage of the general populace that embraces the totalitarian dynamic. There is always someone in our neighborhood, in our workplace, and within our family that finds vindication or advantage in supporting the state, even if the state has turned viciously criminal. They are not only useful idiots; they are conscious participants in the process of pacification and enslavement of their own society. They understand their role perfectly, and they enjoy what they do.
The psychologist Carl Jung in his examination of the rise of violent fascism in Germany as well as the collectivist surveillance state in communist Russia theorized that there is in fact a certain percentage of people in any given epoch that carry within them a latent ability to abandon conscience. That is to say, there is always hidden within a portion of the multitude an inborn potential for sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies. These tendencies remain dormant for many under most circumstances, but every once in a while a society falters to the point where such diseases of the soul are encouraged, and the monsters in millions are allowed to come out and play.
Is it possible that some men are more apt towards truth and freedom while others take more naturally to dominance and deceit? Perhaps. I find that under certain circumstances even the best human beings can make catastrophic errors in judgment. However, there is a difference between those who misstep in life, and those who savor destruction. For these people I reserve the label of the “statist thug”; a ghoul in common man’s drag just waiting for the opportunity to scrape out a spoonful of petty authority and assert his will over others. These folks are the day’s damned. And what’s worse; though they may have been born with a predisposition towards despotism, they still had a choice, and they chose villainy. They deserve no special treatment and no quarter from us.
As America faces down wave after wave of fiscal difficulties, a government gone rogue with false left/right politics, and policies that disregard civil liberties for the sake of centralized authority, I believe the statist thugs of our time will soon flow out of the dark recesses and rotten sputtering gutters of our society like a river of septic putrescence. We all know them when we see them, but do we really understand what makes them tick? Here are some common psychological attributes of the overzealous statist; the failings and inadequacies that make him what he is…
Statist Thugs Thrive During Immoral Times
The worst statists are utter screw-ups and failures in normal or semi-normal environments. They barely have the ability to function without constant surrounding chaos and desperation which they use to camouflage their spastic and childish characters. They are often seen as the dregs of a culture during peaceful years, and only climb to prominence when crisis overtakes the nation. When a social environment turns tenuous or explosive, the statist excels. Corrupt governments require the aid of questionable individuals in order to tighten control at the local level, and so anyone willing to set aside morality and principle automatically becomes a highly valued commodity. Statists will flock to government employment during national “emergencies” or unjust wars, and use the inbred system to their advantage.
Statist Thugs Want Respect, Even If They Don’t Deserve It
Statists demand respect, and they will pursue authoritative positions just so they can remind people of the respect they are supposedly owed. Some of them do realize that legitimate respect is earned through valuable works, knowledge, experience, and generous creativity. They know it cannot be bought, and that it cannot be conned through clever talk, boastful discussion, and theatrical chest beating. And so, instead of attempting real achievement, or taking the risk of falsely playing a part and being exposed, they look for a title and a uniform to fill the void. They eventually attain respect derived by force through institutions within the system. This title will likely be a miniscule part of the overall government conglomerate, but the statist will act as if he is the emperor of Earth once you wander into his narrow jurisdiction. The slightest hint of defiance will send him into fits of rage.
Statist Thugs Only Understand Violence
Keep in mind that not every person in a uniform is a statist, and identifying them is more a matter of behavior than outward appearance. There is no such thing as reason, logic, or even law in the realm of the statist thug. You cannot discuss a matter of conflict with him. You cannot point out that the legal structure he claims to represent does not support his views. You cannot calm him using words and solid philosophy. The only thing he understands is power, and the only thing that he regards is strength. When faced with overwhelming reason, the statist will attack rather than think. This attack, unfortunately, will only be silenced by an equal or greater display of force…
Statist Thugs Savor Weakness In Others
Show any signs of fear or weakness and you have given the statist exactly what he has always wanted. He does not desire an equal fight. In truth, he avoids situations in which his opponents are fairly matched. This is because, deep down, all statists and power monger are cowards. Anyone who is so desperate to control every aspect of his environment even to the point of hurting and enslaving others is obviously afraid of a great many things. Attempting to be quietly diplomatic or grasping for mercy only encourages them to take their maliciousness to the next level. Statists seek easy prey to satiate their thirst for dominance. They will abuse women, children, the elderly and disabled, anyone that cannot defend themselves. As soon as the goon encounters a person willing and able to fight back, however, his smug façade disappears and the hidden coward emerges.
Statist Thugs Love Law For The Law’s Sake
Statists revel in bureaucracy and red tape. They love laws and regulations regardless of application. They feel safe within a highly structured and contained system because most of them are followers, not leaders. The idea that they may one day have to blaze their own path without the aid of a vast government machine cradling them like lost infants is terrifying to them. Statists are not able to survive without someone telling them what to do and when to do it. On the other side of the coin, they also enjoy the manner in which the modern legal framework can be twisted to fit whatever disturbed logic happens to strike them. The more a society is cluttered with overt legalities, the easier it is to misinterpret and exploit the distraction and confusion they create.
Statists Believe Government Should Parent Society
The goal of a statist is to impress his will upon others by any means necessary. Government simply offers the most expedient and convenient tool for them to do the job. Of course, in their minds many of them will try to rationalize the abuse of government power by asserting that it is ultimately for the good of everyone. It is not enough for them to live life the way they see fit for themselves; all people must be “shown the light” for the betterment of the group as a whole. When confronted with someone who dissents against their oppressive world view, they usually respond by accusing the activist of “not caring about other people’s well being, or the well being of the country”. You will almost always hear the Statist talk about the group, or the collective, over the individual, because the easiest way to dominate the citizenry is to erase the concept of unique individualism and condition them towards herd behavior. Individuals with strong characters infuriate statists.
Anyone Can Be A Statist
Many people (myself included) have never found much solace in the establishment and its parade of self-importance. For me, most methodologies of government have always been a sick kind of joke. Elaborate buildings and ceremonies, nice suits and uniforms, the money and the celebrity, the news shows and talking heads; it’s all costume. It’s a parade of drunken clowns and carneys dipped in glamour and glitter and pomp.
The very concept of government is in itself an abstraction. It is an artificial social edifice that seems to give weaker men a sense of security (or false security), even when it is at bottom a threat to them. The assumption is that the establishment (meaning the power elite) must exist at all costs. The statist cannot imagine otherwise. He is at once a fan of the totalitarian game and an avid bouncing giggling cheerleader. His greatest dream is to be a part of the beast; to share in the “glory” of the empire and live vicariously through its conquests.
A statist thug can be anyone, from the overweight and overzealous TSA agent at the airport to the brutally nosy and vicious old lady next door. Some participate in tyranny directly by wearing the uniform and wielding the baton, while others participate behind closed doors and curtains by informing on their neighbors. Regardless of their demeanor, each statist has one thing in common; an obsession with the continuance of the system to the point of madness. There is absolutely nothing the state can do to make them second guess their love affair. No crime too shocking, no attack too unjust. During the blackest moments of mankind, they are the willing tools of oppression. They make revolution - physical revolution, necessary. With them, oligarchs take root. Without them, oligarchs take shelter, or disappear altogether...
Yes - this snow storm proves that people are responsible for global warming. The statistics prove it and 90% of all experts support the claim.
edit - sarc for those of you that buy thier bullshit
Somewhere the last living polar bear is freezing to death and you don't even care.
Bwahahahahahaha. Funniest thing I've read all week!
I'll condense this for the readership as they are busy watching online porn to go thru all this:
Liberals are liberals until it comes to their own fucking money. As long as they think someone else is going to pay for shit they can get for free.....count them in. You must present whatever you plan to do in that manner.
Gruber 101.
You're welcome
Gruber did exactly what he was paid to do - suggest such a complicated document that no one could figure out until it was too late - then let it morph into a single payer system. He sat in the oval office and helped the inner circle figure out the loop holes as he now describes in his lectures. Who is telling the truth and what bunch of shit heads are not.
Everyone who read the document figured it out. It wasn't really opaque at all and that dipshit goober isn't half as intelligent as he thinks he is. It was a con game. People wanted to believe in rainbows and unicorns so they elected a a gay mullato foreigner. Insurance companies wanted a forced customer base and the dems wanted control of 1/6th of the economy and the press wanted jhe favor of the gay mullato foreigner. So they shived the monstrosity down our throats.
What difference does it make?
You know - the ACA didn't fool a lot of us.
But what happened is we were dismissed as "right wing" and, even less coherently, "racist" for pointing out that when you have the same amount of doctors and nurses, and lots of poor and sick people added, it means costs have to go up, and care, on average has to go down.
And it would be the middle class who paid.
Apart from Citizens United - wish were I king, I'd require people to carefully read before opening their big idiot mouths about "corporations aren't people" and "money isn't speech" - one of the biggest shams was how the individual mandate was upheld.
It was not a tax because it wasn't constructed as one and Congress explicitly put it under the commerce clause. Okay, if it's a tax, it can't be heard by SCOTUS until it actually goes into effect. That's the anti-injunction act. So what does Roberts, who I believe was threatened/blackmailed do? First, he accepts the case and entirely disingenuously claims that it is not a tax for the purposes of SC review. But then, using the legal equivalent of a Jedi mind trick, he and the majority decide that, no, it really is a tax, even though it is unlike any tax in the history of tax law.
Meanwhile, here's where the Left goes with the Bill of Rights as 'universal healthcare' {further subsidies for the poor old and sick on the backs of young healthy workers drowning in debt} - Tribe at Harvard and Elena Kagan both claim that the Constitution allows the federal government to require people to buy broccoli - sure, Kagan says it would be a 'stupid law' and Tribe assures us that .gov couldn't force you to actually eat it [seriously]....and no one, absolutely no one stops to ask whether these Ivy League educated, Jewish, establishment, luminaries of law, might, in fact, be fucking idiots.
I want to fuck Taylor Swift in the ass. It surely doesn't mean I have the "right" to do so, and if your legal analysis amounts to little more than claiming decisional outcomes you like, due to political wordview, are, in fact, 'Constitutional' - then you're conflating political solipsism with actual legal analysis of the Compact between We The People, and our representatives.
You either care about the Will and Consent of The People, as demonstrated by the Constitution, or you do not.
Progressives are closet totalitarians.
And they will rape the long-settled meaning of words in order to make an end run around democracy and common sense to take more power and money from you and give it to bought and paid for politicians.
Progressives are closet totalitarians. ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeap
I consider them assholes but you can call them whatever you want
"You know - the ACA didn't fool a lot of us."
But it appears we are just as fu*ked! So the difference is?
The ACA does fall under the federal taxing power. But to reach this conclusion, you must understand the "system". Step one. You MUST be part of the Social Security System in order to be eligible or "entitled" for "public money". You had to apply to get into the system. NO you do not need the number to live and work in the US. YES, they make it near impossible via FEAR. But I digress. Having the number makes you eligible for what the courts of law and equity would classify as extraordinary protections paid for with money from the public treasury. A statutory right or PRIVILEGE. Mountains of existing case law confirms that the term "EXCISE TAX, and PRIVILEGE TAX are one and the same. Yes, Congress can tax the privileges it creates. ALL State and Federal excises withheld from your paycheck are PRIVILEGE taxes that use the WAGE as a unit of measurement to calculate the indirect excise. Under this system that you volunteered into, Congress, not the courts define "INCOME" and has the power to modify or take away benefits at a whim. Moreover, since you WAIVED constitutional / judicial protections of CONTRACT and PROPERTY in exchange for certain statutory protections, Congress has the TAXING power to apply a rate of 100% of what you earn and leave you with nothing save a handful of future empty promises. Under separation of powers, the courts can not and will not interfere. EVER.
I have 30 years and over 60,000 hours of study and research in the areas of constitutional law we are dealing with. These miserable assholes just heaped another so called entitlement on top of an existing system based on the federal taxing power. (You can thank the corrupt States for handing their police powers over to the fed aka "unemployment/ Old age survivor....se RCL under Poor Laws...the States now preempted for purposes of taxation and administrative control) A multi trillion dollar load on an insolvent treasury. When this bitch blows its going to be spectacular. The free shit crowd, once cutt off, are going to burn the inner cities to the ground. They have laid the foundation for the next civil war and NOTHING is going to stop it.
Hedge accordingly
"The ACA does fall under the federal taxing power."
It may fall under federal taxing power, but Congress never passed a tax.
F en all but 6
Since most people enter the "contract", social security number, as a minor does not that make the "contract" null and void? Any thoughts on this?
SS is not a contract as that would involve PROPERTY RIGHTS. You have NO property in the public treasury. There exists NO statutory outlet and the courts could care less. It is judicially presumed that you knew what you were doing when you made voluntary application into the system. Fraud? Nondisclosure? Coersion? Absolutely. Are you stuck? YES. I know this shit show inside and out. I have dealt with the State court system several times involving various serious subject matters and I can tell you flat out that the overwhelming vast majority of the judiciary are nothing more than a band of barely competent self serving robed lawyers that would not recognize a foundational principle of constitutional law if it walked up from behind and bit them in the ass.
We are all in deep shit.
F**kin A!
Hedged already. Got sick of the shit and moved out of the country.
The lack of law enforcement (TBTP), and control of the Fascist state became very apparent to us after just cursory study (this Gruber story is just another example).
These are your main choices:
- live within the system (and continue paying taxes/fees to get F'd)
- change the system (sorry, you probably don't have the connections and "horsepower" to get that done)
- exit the system (grass is greener if you play it right. You really don't need all of the "stuff" in the West.... You have been and continue to be brainwashed about this.)
"Congress put it eplicitly under the Commerce Clause..." They can't do that. Health insurance is not commerce. Health care is not delivered interstate. The shitheads in congress put "findings" in everything to provide a fig leaf of justification for their unlawful bills but these findings do not turn intrastate things into interstate concerns and they do not turn non-commerce into commerce.
The entire ACA, other than the tax provisions, are entirely beyond any authority delegated to congress and is not legally binding on anyone. That fact, however, doesn't do anything about the fact that the lawless statist pigs who enforce it will use force t make you comply. That is, until people simply say "fuck off."
You can imagine what they are thinking when they pass another 30+ bills every day
Rush Limbaugh played sound bites of Obama addressing the Brookings Institute in 2006 saying how much he had "stolen" from Gruber.
Mugging Americans: ObamaCare’s Jonathan Gruber And Norbert Schlei Of The 1965 Immigration Act
New York Times: Obama admin and health insurers have powerful, mutually beneficial partnership'.
Take a look at the healthcare/pharma sector in those charts posted here yesterday. Sideways to higher over 2015. The only sector, btw. You don't get that from the free market in biotech. You get that from WashDC. Govt mandated revenue streams not just for Pharma but for insurance programs and for hospitals too. There is a lesson there for every other sector. Next up is monopoly pricing for cable..so that they don't have to do differential pricing over broadband and squeeze out *innovation*....and after that? capitalism abhors competition, and Grubbie delivers... monopoly pricing, govt oversight, political wheeler-dealering.
The lesson here is the Obambo Plan: Bankrupt the Nation, the faster the better as the FRS wasn't doing it fast enough for TPTB.
I bet there are underaged children involved here somehow.
The adopted ones of chief justice Roberts ?
Only thing missing is his Kippah
Who here believes the American electorate is smart? I believe it was H.L. Mencken who said "No politician ever went wrong underestimating the stupidity of the American voter".
Baldski, very true, but I got dibs on this guy when TSHTF.
Yet another motherfucking Jew.
Total coincidence. /s
You mean cohencidence?
Just another Ivy League buttplug (P)iling it (H)igher and (D)eeper.
Come on folks. Mr. Gruber had to have some way of paying off his MIT student loan and he is not living in the basement of his parents home so there are a couple of positive points. /sarc
How in the fuck does Pelosi keep getting elected?
Her progressive base loves her for her support of the MIC and the Police State.
Have you been to San Francisco? It's the largest groupthink in the history of brainwashing. A place where being a political rebel is thinking exactly like everybody else. Talk to ten different people and you'll get the same regurgitated talking points from all ten.
Really dope? You do realize Chinese are the largest ethnic majority in SF and have been for a while, there are a ton of expats from other countries living in SF itself, and it is very much a transient city.
It may be socially liberally the same people you make comments like this are the same dopes who think Berkeley is some bastion of hippies when in reality the university is Asian majority and very much a professional school with a lot of overachiever types.
Well that is Pelosi's DISTRICT, isn't it?
Your dishonesty is so fucking typical of the OUTRIGHT DISHONESTY OF THE FAGS who elect that horrid bitch.
It will be wonderful to watch San Francisco be totally inundated with fire as it was in 1906. Those people in Oakland, across the bay, will make certain that it happens once the sugar teat is cut off.
I hope that you live there so that you can enjoy the destruction of that Haight-Ashburry FAG TOWN.
(One in FOUR, in San Fag Crisco, are queer. Can you fuckin' believe it? That is where the Fags hang out and the reason why they vote for this piece of shit Pelosi. They are Cornholers...Fistfuckers..Wrist Watch Crisco....Thank you Zappa.)
Yes...Faggotry is more prevalent in Asian Communities as they accept it.
Don'y worry people...Oakland will burn these buttfuckers out...after they lose their EBT.
Gruber who? If you watch any other news than Fox you won't see this story AT ALL.
The main thing to take away from "GruberGate" is:
This is what Zionists think of ALL of us.
He is not an exception, or alone in those thoughts. This is what he, and his ilk, think of us ALL.
An American, not US subject.
If you voted and didn't see a selection for "Zionist Handler(s)," you vote meant nothing.