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One Reader's Shocked Response Upon Learning His Health Insurance Cost Just Doubled
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My wife and I own a small business and we had previously (in 2013) been buying health insurance on our own for ourselves and our two kids. The cost was about six hundred per month with a $5200 deductible, $6800 total out of pocket exposure for the family of four.
After spending months trying to register for the ACA in late 2013 and early 2014 my kids got put on our state's insurance (at "no cost") and my wife and I bagged an ACA policy at a subsidized cost of $281 per month with a total out of pocket of about $6500 (just for the two of us).
Attached is the ACA notification of next year's price increase. As you can see the cost goes from $281 to $555, a monthly increase of $274, a percentage increase of 97%.
Basically we are now paying the same amount for the two of us that we paid for all four of us one year ago.
How can that increase occur in a "free market" economy? Did I miss something? Has some input cost leaped exponentially in order to double the price I pay? Or has private industry colluded with government to rig the markets (again) in their favor?
How much longer will the American people allow corporations to rip them off in collusion with the government? Fuck this bogus economy and government captured by corporations. Where is the leader who will rise up from the masses and snuff out the corp/govt nexus before it imprisons us all in debt serfdom police state?
Do you think for one minute that freaking Mitch McConnell, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner or anyone newly elected or previously elected cares one shit about my wife and kids or what we pay for crappy health care that we cannot afford to access due to high deductibles? Those fucks cannot see beyond the next donor phone call, and only come clucking out of the hen house in order to give voice to the latest party certified political meme, be it 'freedom', 'liberty', 'security" or some other hollowed out focus group tested bullshit sound bite.
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don't forget you have to get the money to pay Gruber over $6 million in "consulting fees" somewhere...
If you like your country, you can't keep your country
If you don't like your Country, you'll still be stuck with it (notice the very rapidly rising "costs" associated with relinquishment of US citizenship?)
Your Country REALLY likes your ability to pay its taxes, no matter where you are employed. And your Country fully intends to ensure you continue to pay those taxes as a Good Little Citizen, whether you like it or not.
How long before revocation of citizenship becomes banned under "Security Grounds" or similar twaddle??
well, we can't have people revoking the one thing that's acting as collateral for future loans now can we? that would be, like, freedom and shit
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At present, you cannot relinquish US Citizenship to avoid taxes. While you may get through a relinquishment ceremony without them catching on to you on that point (you need to affirmatively deny it), if you apply for a visa at any future point, they can deny you the visa on the basis that you relinquished to avoid taxes.
USA...it's a trap!
And if you like your Pneumonia, broken hip, tumors, STD's, worn out knees, liver disease, lung cancer, etc you can keep your Pneumonia, broken hip, tumors, STD's, worn out knees, liver disease, lung cancer etc......
We had to pass it so we can see what's in it!!
Any MFer who says the above should be knee capped within 10 seconds.
Then you would hear this music instead of the Normal Liberal Technocrats songs.....
I like my knee's, so I'm going to keep my knee's!!!!
FUCK Obama!
You will catch AIDs if you do.
One would hope that one would die of shame first.
AIDs
and a free phone...
It's a big club... And you ain't in it
Who insures the insurance company's buildings?
-or-
Can you spend $100 faster than they can spend $1,000,000?
Edit: The insurance companies backed and lobbied for the ACA. They saw income. They are amongst the deserving.
(Francis Sawyer taught me, when I first joined, to space 4 times so that the body of the post remained intact. I fondly remember that.)
I miss Francis Sawyer.
While I did not agree with some things he wrote he taught me some things I did not know.
Yeah...FREE FRANCIS SAWYER.
Actually... "It's a SMALL club..."
The Elites and Oligarchs are by definition in a SMALL club, if you think about it.
Sorry, but as much as I love George Carlin, he misspoke.
His government subsidy got cut, boo hoo.
Wait until they all wake up and watch those premiums rise.
And the best part of this...the Employer Mandate...
Watch unemployment soar as the Employer Mandate kicks in next year...
It is gonna be fun...
His government subsidy got cut, boo hoo.
Shouldn't you be sucking Ted Kennedy's dick right now? Yeah, I know he's dead.
And the author wonders "How can that increase occur in a 'free market' economy? Did I miss something?"
Apparently he missed the fact that health insurance is not part of the free market economy. Indeed, nothing government touches can remain part of the free market economy.
Lastly, perhaps I missed it: did he sign up with a state plan or the Federal one? Might he lose his subsidy via the SCOTUS?
This fucker is part of the problem, not any kind of solution:
"After spending months trying to register for the ACA in late 2013 and early 2014 (Edit: A business owner does not have a value for his own time? I damned sure do.)...my kids got put on our state's insurance (at "no cost") (Edit, cuz its freeeee!)...and my wife and I bagged an ACA policy at a subsidized cost of $281 per month with a total out of pocket of about $6500 (just for the two of us)."
Yes, a fine example of ethics & morals in shifting the cost burden of your childrens health insurance off onto others as you and your wife get further .gov subsidization on another lane of the ObamaCare Super Slyway.
The guys a fucking parasite.
I almost swallowed my tongue, dude.
knuk's, I see people complain about no longer being able to game the system any longer...and it makes me want to do unspeakable things to them so they have the opportunity to use, what they think they are entitled to, at the closest hospital ;-)
"This fucker is part of the problem, not any kind of solution."
Nmewn, you are right. So basically Tyler is giving an audience to the FSA author because it is click bait. A closer analysis shows that this guy was getting free health insurance before, and is now bitching because he has to pay for it. But you sure wouldn't know that reading most of the comments to the article. Zero Drudge report.
I'm thinkin its the street vendor, dual citizen from Bangalore ;-)
I think y'all are missing the point that it ain't free shit if you are required by law to BUY it.
(I don't have insurance on principal.)
I think you're missing the point that if you go to the ER and can't pay, I do. FSA much? Your principal mistake is not actually having any principles other than letting someone else worry about your problems while you hide behind an ideology of stupidity.
When has anyone ever sent you the bill? That's what liberals state. Don't ever forget this.
We all pay our own freight. I never asked anyone to pay shit for me. Including you. I ain't the enemy. If costs had been contained 30 years ago, we wouldn't be having the conversation. So don't buy into the socialist rhetoric that you are paying for me.
Third parties should never have been allowed to intervene in any billing practice. The system worked fine when the checks were disbursed to the insured. This caused some scrutiny and cost containment. We didn't pay for lobbysists, 20 year patent protection monopolies, malpractice gougers, lawyers ad nauseum, etc., etc.
Am I responsible for all that shit too?
Hospitals have been passing off the costs of the uninsured to the insured since before any of us were born. Do you think bandaids cost $200? They do when you go the hospital. Wake the fuck up.
Bandaids do not cost $200. Anybody that would charge that is a fucking thief, anybody that would pay that is a fool. Why do you accept the responsiblity for someone else's bill without questioning the value of the services recieved?
Wake the fuck up!
My favorite part:
Where is the leader who will rise up from the masses and snuff out the corp/govt nexus before it imprisons us all in debt serfdom police state?
the total abrogation of responsibility.
Even if an honorable statesman offered to pull his @$$ out of the fire and tump it in a bucket of water, the useful idiots would instead vote for the same elephant/jackass sock puppets who set the fire.
Shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
Ron\Rand Paul?
A- FUCKING- MEN!
"The guys a fucking parasite."
This guy's a fucking taxpayer. He owns a business. Who's subsidizing who? He has every right, fuck that, duty to recoup as much of his contributions to the ponzi that is .gov as he possibly can before he dies. Taxpayers are not FSA. FSA doesn't pay taxes. Taxpayers who are "too proud" to accept funds from .gov are fools, IMO.
What does negotiating & buying your own health insurance (or not) have to do with being forced to pay taxes?
You've bought into the statist-model that because you've been stolen from by .gov its perfectly fine to steal as much as you can from someone else, using .gov to do it.
Do you notice anything unique about this model? Thats right, .gov is the weapon of choice, its used both ways, to steal & steal back. Quite a racket.
Don't fall into the trap, save your integrity, fight to stop it.
You've bought into the statist-model that once .gov takes your money, it's not yours anymore. How is recouping what is stolen from me stealing? Whether it's insurance, a grant, child tax credit, etc. is irrelevant. My opinion. I'll agree to disagree.
Edit: I didn't junk you, BTW
"a fine example of ethics and morals..."
Ethics and morals my ass! The whole system is corrupt from top to bottom. The system is gamed to total screw the average guy and this asshole is bleating on about "ethics and morals". Everyone should do what they can to protect themselves and their families. You better take advantage of every loophole and subsidy that you can. You're going to be fucked, just try to be less fucked.
And what are you going to do about it......?? Why don't you stop waiting for a "leader" to save your ass and BE a leader......
The same as the rest of us . . . . . . venting about the woes of the world on an internet forum.
Disagree. While many are followers there are even leaders here on ZH.
It is not that difficult to identify them.
(Who is Tyler Durden?)
Once again I ask so when do we make the fuckin SOAP
Glycerin can be bought at any Wal Mart Pharmacy. It is cheap.
Nitric Acid is available at your Jewelry Supply. (Reminds me...I have got to mix up some Aqua Regia for some Gold Refining...)
Sulfuric Acid is available at your local Auto Parts Store.
All can be bought with cash.
Make sure that you do not mix these chemicals together or store them together.
If they mix then you will get a Nitro Glycerin explosion. You cannot be too careful. By all means be safe. Use gloves and protective gear as these acids are very corrosive to organic material...ie...your flesh.
All that Tyler did IN THE MOVIE was to skin the Glycerin from the fat while making the soap. But you do not have to make soap.
There's no point blowing stuff up. It just doesn;t work and TPTB are ready for that and probably expect it. They will win that fight because that is who they are, evil mother fuckers who get their way at the end of a gun.
What if everyone just withdrew consent, more and more, starving the beast of money. Alternatively just apply for credit cards, max them out by purchasing gold and default on the borrowed money. I dount it would take too many people doing this to bankrupt the Citi's, BOA's etc and at the same time put pressure on the price of gold. If enough people did it it would swamp the system and the ability of these organisations to even track down the defaulters.
The system will blow, everyone will default anyway and not a bullet need be fired. The achillies heal of the system is assuming the good little serfs (indoctrinated with christian niceness) will never break the law and do such a thing. Well, fuck them.
Do you see even but for a moment the catch-22 of a religion like christianity and scaring people into behaving. It's great and all to have a nice and civilised society with obedient and well behaved serfs but it will eventually give rise to super criminals, super sociopaths and super psycopaths. The universe throws some real curve balls at us humans.
blowing shit up works if you blow the right shit up. Not the edifices of the state but the minions of th state.
While setting sail from Key West to Havana.
Like most it is his natural state to follow a leader. Humans are hardwired in their DNA to follow the Herd Leader.
For most it is impossible to break that instictual response. That is just the nature of the beast.
I understand following a Leader, but what we have here is lemmings following lemmings and then bitching when they hit the water.......
Yeah. I understand that they chose a suicidal leader. You understand that it is the wrong leader as well as I.
I do not believe with the indoctrination which they have programmed into them that they are capable of making a better choice.
How long has it been since you tuned into the "Nightly News"?
My bet is that has been an extended period. If you are here then you are not watching TeeVee for your dose of programming.
(Damn it...I misspelled instinct above and was correcting it while you responded.)
Yep, threw the TV out 14 years ago. Part of the problem is this guy shits his pants when he sees such an increase but it never occurs to him that he could very well say fuck it I ain't taking it anymore. Instead he bitches, pays the increase and waits for someone else to say fuck it for him and make his life comfortable once more. The ugly truth is he hasn't seen anything yet, and the longer he goes along to get along the harder it will become to exit the system. I will not be taking 6k or more per year away from my family and give it to an insurance company and still have to pay out of pocket for medical services. No fucking way.....
All you Yanks are bitching about your insurance/medical system and how much you pay for both the insurance and the out of pocket.
Why not opt out? (yes, I know you are forced to select a policy, so just pick the cheapest and don't use it except for catastrophe emergencies)
Then with the money you save just fly to another country and combine your vacation with your annual physical, your annual dental and your annual stocking up on prescriptions. Get any elective repairs (hip, knee, laser eye etc) done at the same time.
You get a holiday, you save heaps on insurance and co pays and best of all you are starving the US medical system.
I'm sure someone will post a scaremonging horror story of foreign "butchers" but that same shit can happen anywhere. And as half the nurses and many of the doctors in the US are already foreigners it is just the same care (and staff) but a nicer location.
Might even make sense for American doctors sick of the paperwork and public patients to move to a nice location and run a hospital for medical tourism.
Even the least of expensive of all of the plans will hurt most of us.
Maybe you can Jet around but, hell, I do not even have a passport. They will not allow it.
I had a misdemeanor Pot Bust in my early twenties. Supposedly it was expunged. I stopped that behavior when I grew up. It was a youthful indiscretion.
But I cannot even enter Canada.
So much for sealed records. The Patriot Act unsealed them.
Tough break, eh chap?
FUCK OFF YOU ARROGANT ENGLISH SOCIALIST PRICK.
Maybe I will do what my forefathers did to your Nation State.
Really. Just what have I got to lose?
You are full of shit. You can get a passport with that misdemeanor.
Do you really believe that I am not on the Watch List?
What am I publishing here? Why? What can they do to me?
I cannot fly without a strip search.
Any old excuse will do...
Tom, as I said before, why are you not take dual-citizenship for many free healthcaring?!?
SUCKS TO BE GOY!!!!
Thanks for adding something constructive here. We don't have a shortage of douche bags on this side of the pond.
Hmmm...interesting suggestion mate.
Why don't you suck a lime out of your asshole?
Better yet - time to get that dual-citizenship.
Just ask Gruber where he can go to get that free health-care if he wants it.
You'd have to be a lunatic to do that!
If your waiting for a leader pal, your in the wrong fucking army.. The FSA is that way, this is the pissed off quasi libertarian (but not too much freedom cuz that's scary) Army..
If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance *
* Though terms & conditions may change
Bets on how many times this guy voted democrat? All of the sudden he gets the bill he thought his neighbor was going to pay for and all the politicians and corporations SUCK? There is no such thing as a free lunch and all the morons who bought the "hope and change" welcome to the socialism you voted for. Because obviously democrat voters are too stupid to handle the TRUTH. You can say all politicians suck and I tend to agree but as far as Obama Care "Afordable Care Act" is concerned democrats OWN it. ZERO Republicans voted for it so if you are mad please direct your anger in the correct direction.
One might ponder the upcoming supreme court case on subsidies.
Republicrats are salivating, classic bait and switch.
Prices set to skyrocket.
Got you.
Gotchya Bitch!
Signed,
- Barry, Pelosi, Gruber and Friends!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppd3HMc52ic
Happened to me too! My $1250 Deducable with a $15M cap, had a yearly cost about $4200 and lots of lots of services coverage (ie out-of-network doctor visits) and no restrictions on prescriptions.
Last year because of ACA, my deductable increased to $6K and the premiums for the year ncreased to about a $7200. There is no longer a cap because as soon as the medical costs exceed the cost of the yearly premiums, the monthly premiums increase to match the medical costs. ACA is not really insurance, ACA just provides the the ability to get care in the event of emergency (ie membership card). For 2015, my deductable rises to about $6500, and my yearly premiums have increased to about $7500 per year. The 2015 plan also eliminates about half a page of items that were previous covered in 2013 (such as common lab tests) and lots and lots of new restrictions (which means the deductiable is much higher than stated).
The only thing I got going is that I am healthy and really have no need for medical services (although that can change in blink because of all the milleniuals texting while driving - several of near collisions this year!)
Heads up: If you need any significant medical procedures done, get the insurance company to pay the costs before undergoing services. A family member of mine had to get surgery, in June. The insurance provider, Blue Cross Blue Shield of TX approved the procedure, but failed to pay the bill (later refusing to pay it). Fortunately, his wife had him covered under her corp. plan as secondary coverage and ended up picking up the costs.
Gruber.
DavidC
I laugh my ass off everytime I see these stories now... it used to be depressing, now I just don't give a fuck.
Here's MY insurance plan: For me, my wife and my kids, I shell out a grand total of $7k a year which gets me $0 copay $0 deductible to all the best private hospitals, free preventative care and checkups, imported drugs (for free when needed) and like $300 a day in "allowance" for inpatient care. This is global coverage including emergency care in the US and airlifts. After 15 years of premiums I get back the balance of unused premium in my choice of permanent life insurance, cash, college money or a mix with interest. After 25 years it can be rolled into an annuity or again, cash out or better life insurance.
I can walk into the best facilities in the world, get VIP treatment, pay nothing, and owe nothing. $7k a year. No gimmicks, no catches, no bullshit with trying to deny claims. Fuck the US.
I presume your not living in America, or is there some way to get Medical insurance that's not subject to ACA rules?
Yep that's change alright ....now we just need hope .
what STATE ??? Dumb to leave that out.
After all, the Supreme Court did declare Obamacare a tax. More like a heist.
King Putt knows what is best for you. So relax, slave.
What did you expect when adding whole new layers of Federal and State beauracracy? A discount? Right.
What a person should do here is pull up a stock chart for Humana.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=HUM+Basic+Chart&t=5y
Yep. Free markets, Johnny Policyholder.
Approximately 3X the growth of the S&P over the 5 years.
Betcha Jim Cramer DID NOT recommend Humana
A Gruber's gotta eat.
A Gruber's gotta eat
Now that's some phophetic fuckin' shit up in there. A new phrase to describe the needs of the parasitic class. Well done!
We told you . You didn't listen
So, the guy you voted for and trusted to fix your heallthcare just did. Ain't it great?
There is a guy out east, Gruber, that made 6 million or so helping fix it - maybe you can hit him up for a loan.
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"Where is the leader who will rise up from the masses..."
This guy is waiting for a superhero to make all his problems go away; meanwhile he can send a letter to ZH to vent his everyman frustrations.
lol - bad decision upon bad decision
There is no inflation. Just ask the Fed. Never trust your lying eyes.
You do not know what a privilege and honor it is to pay for other people's insurance and food stamps. Back to the people's happy reeducation camp for you!
Oh, and by the way, you did not build that business. The janitor did. You should be very happy to share all of your obscene profits with all.
Sincerely,
Obama.
That's so cruel
truth, but cruelty
I was trying to be funny, not cruel. Sorry if it came across that way.
Btw, cruel is when he opened his insurance bill and realized what a lie Obamacare was.
Oh, dear God, don't let me leave the wrong impression.
It was f'in hilarious.
Affordable Care Act. Talk about a misnomer.
Just a genuine, innocent typographical error.
Big Ears really named it the UNAffordable Care Act, but his chum Dr Gruber thought the name sounded slightly wrong . . . . .
Care to afford it?
It's just an act.
Yea, lets go ahead and discuss that "Net Nuetrality" act while we are at it. A wise old man once learned me about, if it sounds to good to be true, well,,,,,,, shit I've done forgot the rest. It sounded gooder when he said it.
The Patriot Act = Unpatriot Act
The Freedom of Information Act = The Redaction Act
The War on Terror = Terror
The War on Drugs = Allowing criminals and the government (the government is criminal) to corner the market on drugs
The War on Poverty = More Poverty
HARP = Inflating housing prices
Social Security = Social Insecurity
The Department of Defense = The Department of Offense.
Student loans = Debt slavery
Quantitative Easing = Making the rich richer
TARP, Auto and bank bailouts = buying votes and campaign contributions
The list goes on and on.
One correction, You wrote: "Social Security = Social Insecurity", it should read "Social Security = Ponzi scheme"
This guy is too stupid to understand what a great deal he's getting.
Betcha he re-registers Democrat tomorrow.
Free market - LOL
Oops . . . . .
Extrapolate across the USA and that'll certainly help the "Discretionary income driven Retail Recovery".
(Visions of tumbleweed blowing through ultra-modern, yet totally abandoned, shopping malls - an American version of those Chinese empty Cities)
Listen
(see and for a moment you thought I was Bung hole or Equity)
The Talking Heads keep telling us that the price of gasoline dropping is gonna really kick ass fuel the economy thorough the moon!
And BTW, the premium increase is separate from about another 15 taxes that kick in, as well
Talking about Talking Heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iozj_jXNBNY
Ecoutez-Moi!
Je ne suis pas Bangalore Whatshisface mon brave!
(Mind you the gap between the Haves and Have Nots in Bangalore makes the Grand Canyon look like a surface crack, in broad comparison. Been there, Seen it . . . . .)
No no no no no....
I meant when I started with "Listen" that I had you all confused thinking I was Bung-hole-alore Equity.
Just my sick twisted humor.
Yes, India is not, by and large, a very pretty snapshot of the state of the human condition, unlike most folks think.
I mean it's just downright fucking depressing.
Another other shocker was Manila. Stand on the balcony of the hotel overlooking tin favillas, strewn with trash. Killed one's hunger and imposed a great deal of shame.
Likewise Mrs K and I spent some time in S and Central America. Talk about hard mean looks from the "natives" for just being a gringo, amongst the .... oh, nevertherfuck mind. And off we go bombing poor people and call it bringing the light of freedom....
Fuckeds what it is....
Pretty sad state over there?
Fortunately I have learned not to borrow troubles.
I'd like my Government to do the same. But me thinks that they just have ulterior motives.
But it is very tragic in India and most parts of the World.
Good day, Doc.
Underhand please. MEDICAL COSTS need to be eliminated as well as all the insurance crapola that INFLATES MEDICAL COSTS. $37,000 for anti venom dose in US, same stuff from Mexico is $100. It is the Medical/Insurance?political cabal corrupt organization.
It needs to blow up, be torn down, and re done totally. Redoing the ACA or "Medical Insurance" is re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Absolutely. All the ACA is about who pays the bill. The problem is the bill itself. What a joke this asswipe Obamacare and the entire fucking healthcare system is. Even with doubling the dudes premium he has to pay the first $6,500 out of pocket. Might as well just have catastrophic care. Oh wait..... dickface bathhouse eliminated those policies. Fuck You
6-12 thousand bucks per year for NOTHING........
That would be "after taxes" $$s too - Federal, State and Local taxes.
Wonder how many "before tax" $$s this represents??
Stupid American voter, the problem with crony-socialism is, you eventually run out of other peoples money.
Capitalism is about free markets, not cronyism. Do as nmewn has done and NEVER use the term crony capitalism. The term crony capitalism was coined by crony socialist and crony communists.
Everybody shut up for a sec. How do you beat this? Easy, NEVER go to the hospital. TD is 50 years old and has NEVER been to the hospital. Sure, we broke some ribs in that nasty car crash, but what can they do for that? Give you some opiate, that's what. Well, we had our own medication which saw us through that ordeal. The point is is that health, like everything else, is in your MIND. Yes, you must exercise, eat well, yadda, yadda.... But do you think the Pilgrims, when they landed at Plymouth Rock, made a beeline for Humana because they had a cramp?
This reminds me of that add on TV a while ago with some dude with knife in hand, talking with a doctor about how to do his own appendectomy. That's where you headed with no insurance. LOL
Fuck the lie we know as Obamacare.
Shut up and pay serf.
Thanks, Jon Gruber
Despite all the political rhetoric - that REALLY is the Truth, isn't it.
Shut Up (on pain of imprisonment / death) and Pay Up.
that sonofabitch is due for an aggressive full body exfoliation with a dull cheese grater... that fucking coward... "oh gee, our ideas will be skewered on their own merit by anyone with two brain cells to rub together, so fuck that let's lie and obfuscate instead... don't those fuckers know *they* serve *us*, not the other way around... the nerve of those people, who gave them votes anyway?"
Welcome to politics
Obamacare has thrown productive workers under the bus to provide cheap healthcare to the free shit army. Little does he care if those of us who work for a living cannot afford to maintain our present level of care. Moar votes for the Democrats is all that matters.
I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM
This is exactly what was predicted to happen, once Obama's 2nd election was over, and he had more "flexibility".
The serfs will pay the price, while the fat cats get fatter. The ACA was passed into law March 23rd, 2010.
Check out Humana's stock price appreciation since 2010, up from $45 to $139 per share.
If that doesn't tell you who the law was written to benefit, I don't know what will.
Duh !!
"...I bagged an ACA policy at a subsidized cost of $281 per month..."
We tried to warn you that you were being conned, and that your premiums would go up while service would go down. You didn't listen, and were enticed with the "sucker premium". Next time, try looking out beyond the tip of your nose.
Never happen. These fools who listen to the Hope and Change most likely cut of their 3" dick just so the could zip their pants.......
Forward!!!!!!
As if this poor bastard had some kind of a choice with a wife and two kids!
"How much longer will the American people allow corporations to rip them off in collusion with the government?"
A long, long time.
Serves you right for going along with another unconstitutional abomination. This was all very foreseeable.......
What the fuck? If you have any health insurance you are complicit.
I do not, therefore I am not complicit. See how that fucking works. I would gladly pay a reasonable premium to get coverage to a private agent OF MY CHOICE, but I'll be damned to Hell before I fucking pay for a service I will NEVER benefit from while illegal aliens, deadbeats, and the FSA get there subsidies while I PAY AND STILL GO WITHOUT.....
You forgot to add...
Notice that COMPLIANCE and COMPLICIT have the same Latin Root.
/addition
I am sicker than a dog. I could use Health Care as my condition is chronic.
I will rather die at this point.
This question is not addressed to you, A Lunatic, but to the other members...
Will you lay your life on the line for the principle of it?
What have you to lose after losing your health and vigor?
I will tell you that you also lose fear when you've nothing to lose.
After you have lost that then they have no control whatsoever.
What have you to lose? You do not have freedom. You do not have Liberty. That has already been taken from you.
So what have you to lose but that fear which restrains you from fighting back?
"Where is the leader who will rise up..."
leaders lead to followers, followers lead to voters, voters lead to leaders.
Do you see the problem yet?
Someone has to pay for Obola Care!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-07/bill-for-ebola-adds-up-as-care-...
As subsidies are removed, premiums will rise causing healthy people to exit the system, causing premiums to rise more the next year, etc. Eventually only really unhealthy people will remain and premiums will be astronomical.
As each round of premium increases hits, Obamacare is likely to become a festering wound for the Dems. Which is precisely why the Repubs have no incentive to eliminate it. That and most of them are just as much slaves of Big Medicine as the Dems.
Single Payer ... the only way to go. Save $$$$$ by cutting out the insane admin and profit of the sickness prolonging industry.
Yeah, things always work better when competition is totally removed.
Like fifty years ago when it was removed from the health insurance industry!
Look, a Fedcoat.
Single payer? But that will upset the cartels and monopolies!
There are 100 million-ish people in Democrat households. If they want to voluntarily pool together for some grand Democrat healthcare single payer system experiment, I'm all for it. If they want to drag me into their fiasco at the point of a gun they're gonna WISH they were in a Turkish prison.
These corrupt bastards will never get a dime out of me. I'll just fly to another country if I'm able. If not able I'll just fucking die.
Hey, we have the same healthcare plan!
Protest Seppuku. Right on the steps. Make it good and messy too.
Why do that? Silent but deadly is so much better.
Contract Ebola. Wait until you are running a fever.
Take a trip to DC and visit the Eccles Building. (It is on your Kick the Bucket list, isn't it? If not then it needs to be.)
Touring the US Supreme Court might also be nice while you are at it. Congress and K Street may also be interesting if you have the time.
Afterwards fly up to New York and visit Wall Street. I hear that the New York Stock Exchange is a wonderful place to go. The New York Federal Reserve Bank is also a nice place.
Sightsee. You have a limited time after all. And you need to get it all in a hurry as your demise will be imminent.
Why waste your seppuku? Messy? Silent but deadly is much more affective.
Going Gault. Off the grid. Outta the system. Cannot even afford to get sick, cheaper for me to just die now & get it over with ....oh! That is what the govt wants anyway! Gotcha, old lady! TOAST.
Hope you've got a succession plan for your Sun Conure! As a Parrot Parent you have responsibilities you know :-))
Covering millions of Mexicans isn't free ese.
It is for them.
Another article to keep us informed about the obvious.
this is being done deliberately to crush the small guy and put everyone on welfare.
The government rigging another market? Stop. Tyler, you are talking crazy.
The government has rigged the dollar, interest rates, crude oil, water, energy, agriculture, telecommunications, pharmaceutical, automobile, stock market, bonds (of course, because it issued by this deadbeat country), cigarettes, alcohol, gambling, guns, ammo, etc. What market is left not to rig?
We could go old school and start kid-napping doctors, as required.
Mine is $1000/month for two people. Might have to move to another county.
Wow! I only pay $2000. a year, $50. deductable, and get reimbursed 100% later.
But I don't live the States. Something has to be done. First thing is to disband congress, throw the Pres in jail, and start over.
Americans are crazy. The rest of the civilized world realizes that the US has the most fucked up health care system in the world with the highest costs and some of the worst outcomes. Time to try something different, something that actually works in other places, something that does not bankrupt people and something that companies would actually love because everyone would be playing on a level playing filed. Yup - single payer ... or Medicare for all.