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WHo IS GRuBeR?

Submitted by williambanzai7 on 11/18/2014 21:44 -0400

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Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:41 | 5465642 tradewithdave

Uber

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 11:41 | 5465310 dexter_morgan

So whats the deal on the woman that died that was on the watch list in NYC yesterday? Test positive, negative, or was it just 'travel fever incident'?

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 10:38 | 5465055 world_debt_slave

how does it feel to be gruber'd?

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 07:55 | 5464573 nmewn

The ex-Car Czar Steve Rattner (what an appropriate name) yesterday backed over, then put it in Forward! and ran over again (lol) this "stupid" WH to NYT's spin, that Gruber was just some minor bit actor in ObamaCare:

STEVE RATTNER: Jonathan Gruber was, back in the day, in 2009, the guru on health care, as you said. He designed the Massachusetts plan for Romney. I think if you go back and look at the Washington Post or the New York Times or anything from that period, you will find Jonathan Gruber’s name all over it, as both someone who’s the leading expert on health care quoted by everybody, and as someone who the White House was using — I don’t think we knew the dollar numbers he was paid at the time — but I remember that when I was in the White House, he was certainly viewed as an important figure in helping to put Obamacare together. And so, it's exactly what you said. The problem is not that Gruber helped them put Obamacare together, because he was the man. The problem is what he said in the last two weeks and how the White House has handled it.

http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/ex-obama-aide-destroys-media-narrative-admits-gruber-was-important-figure

I can hear it now..."Who's Steve Rattner?"...lol.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 10:21 | 5464979 WillyGroper

A lot of people here cuss him, but he cracks me up.

Have a laff, watch the clip.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-gruber-gate

Nails all 3 liars.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:11 | 5465458 janus

many around here have spastic-reflex-opinions...you touch a nerve attached to a certain name or issue and out comes the jolt of spring-loaded simplicity.

i was and remain a fan of mr. stewart; but for my part, it pains me to witness the deterioration of his comic prowess. i do not now, nor will i ever assess a man's character based on his political/philosophical disposition. but the thing with stewart that bugs me, and the reason i've stopped watching regularly, is that he's subordinated his primary duty (to be funny) to some do-gooder ideation of 'inclusion'. in other words, he wants the compostion of his show (its correspondents) to comport with the dc/la/manhattan vision of a prismatic rainbow-world; one in which identity predicated on race/religion/ethnicity and, most importantly, sexual orientation is the salient consideration. funny has become an afterthought on the dailyshow; which is why i rarely think of it anymore.

and i literally ache when i watch as these angry and aggressive idealists couch their hostility in puerile antics and hackneyed gimmicks, hardly any of which are funny.

i'm always happy to see flashes of the old stewart being irreverent and creative...but now it's mostly premised on a mission to make america look like a place he would never want to live.

by the way, mr. stewart...good for you moving to harlem and enrolling your children in public schools! that will show those limo-liberals who's 'real' and who's just making a show of things.

anyway, this kind of imbecilic thinking pervades all the creative fields. these people really do think the amorican audience can be conditioned to accept and esteem whatsoever their propaganda dictates; and up to a certain point, they're correct. but then there's another level, those of us who like to be entertained sans the platitudinous moralizing that is absolutely requisite of anything found in modern media -- whether that be on the television, in print or on cinema.

for example, among the literati, it's an inexcusable sin to say that maya angelou is a fraud...and she is. and even though this lady writes low-grade young-adult fiction, we're expected to parrot the reverent awe peddled by the high-priests in academia as to her genius. let me be the first to say that there is NO genius to be found in the works of maya angelou; and it is furthermore a rank insult to fredrick douglas or other writers of color to pretend that there is. look, literati & academia, just because you're desperate to find and promote the first female novelist of genius (and bonus points for her being black), doesn't mean you can just mint one by fiat.

nice try, though. i mean, the ruse was a smashing success for many folks...especially maya herself. you have that poor woman so convinced of her genius, she's even started to believe it. and, maya, i don't really give a damn why the caged bird sings...but i may line its cage with the pages of your novels.

but it isn't like maya's talentless...i'm quite sure she's gifted in some way or another...and as i ponder over this poor, deluded woman and the proper outlet for her aptitudes, i am for some reason overcome with a craving for pancakes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ipamH6EEwI

{hate to be so nasty, literati...but since my 'identity' is unacceptable, you leave janus no choice. i blame you for me.}

janus

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 13:35 | 5465918 Toolshed

You are awful wound up about an author most people have never heard of and no people will remember in a few years.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:52 | 5465694 WillyGroper

"i am for some reason overcome with a craving for pancakes!"

Now that's funny Janus. MA is shoved down the throat of kids in the indoctrination system.

+100 for the birdcage. ;)

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 14:57 | 5466277 janus

yeah, WG, it's sad; and i'll explain why in just a second. i recall with great clarity reading 'silas marner' and William Faulkner's 'the bear' one right after the other my sophomore year in high-school. the sharpness of the contrast afforded in that juxtaposition couldn't have been more distinct. believe it or not, janus has always been rather opinionated; and to my way of thinking, those who're uncomfortable with opinions (especially those that are original, unfamiliar and unsanitized) are both intimidated by and ill-equipped to the challenge of truly independent thinking. for you see, big and muscular beasts are intimidating in their own way but, ironically, almost all are innately terrified by humans for reasons they do not understand; and by the same token, the sheep-like beasts bleating about this world are innately intimidated by the sentient and thinking that roam outside the flock but look just like them. which is why many (if not most) of the sentient and thinking end up working as sheep-dogs or run-off and join the wolf-pack -- they know they'll never be accepted by the flock, and end in saying, 'fuck it...if you can't bleat em, may as well eat em.' and then there is the added danger for the sentient and thinking that roam outside the flock; for he knows that once he shows the sheep how to open the gate, the farmer will shoot him on the spot -- lest the sheep get it in their heads that there's some better fate awaiting them than fire-roasted protein for a carnivore. sorry for the metaphoric tangent, but i wanted to fully-develop this point -- and i like to share my opinions.

and so, our english teacher at the time wanted to 'prove' that one was just as good as the other, and to conduct us through a criteria-based analysis of the relevant merits of each. oh, and then, Lord help janus...i started to offer opinions that spun-off from the formulated syllogism i diverted the discussion away from technical polishing and narrative structure and stated that the two couldn't even be compared; that one, silas marner, was a maudlin soap-opera dressed up in fancy prose and didactic precision (i didn't use those exact words, but that was my point); and that the other, Faulkner's bear, was an exploration of the human condition, and he deliberately broke 'rules' in order to free the reader from his habituated thinking patterns and transport the reader to a realm wherein he could 'grope' around and understand that he doesn't only lack the answers, but doesn't even know what questions to ask (i didn't use those exact words, but that was my point). my english teacher didn't like this one bit...in fact, if she were a farmer, there's no doubt in my mind she would'a shot me on the spot.

but there's more to it...she had a surprise in store for the class. she was going to show how everyone's notions of genius were a function of bigotry and prejudice and a patriarchal society's inviolate demands. she was hiding a secret, and had been building to it for over a month. please understand, i did always respect teachers and consistently behaved in a well-mannered fashion (janus was a good boy); but, believe it or not, i was a pretty skilled debater even back then. and once i've decided to defend a position, i sorta go all-in. poor thing, there was no hope for her argument...for one thing, she's challenging janus and to make matters worse, she happened to be wrong. i almost pitied that ginger-headed political activist masquerading as an english teacher.

her face turned beet-red (gingers have a lot of the red pigment ready to flush their face in times of ire). she sorta sprayed spittle as she attempted to rein in her palpative fury while ordering me to "just shut up." janus then smirked. which is, apparantly, the worst thing you can do in such situations...something about a satisfied smirk will set-off a ginger into apoplectic paroxysms. and so it was.

she then composed herself and sprung the secret on the class. we were supposed to smack our foreheads in exclamations of flabbergasted indignation...george eliot, the author of silas marner, was...TA DA! actually a woman! poor-poor thing in such a cruel victorian world; having to change her name to the masculine for respect. and still, in this enlightened age, we cannot accept her as a peer to the great men of lit (the lions), because we are so fundamentally bigoted.

and then i did something i probably shouldn't have. it came out of nowhere...i didn't mean to say it, it just sorta emerged from my mouth of its own accord. and it is statements like this that have cost me immeasurably...i then gave my most honest estimation of the mind of what i'd heretofore presumed to be 'george eliot': "that's a relief, all this time i thought he was a half-witted faggot."

all the same, i reckon Mark Twain would'a been mighty proud of young janus. i only got detention. thank God the principal was a man...a real one.

now, back to what makes all this so sad...i convinced my sons to alternatively skew their opinions as expressed in their assignments to one side or the other, then dare and invent your own and to see what happens. they've reported that the same is true today as it was for young janus. if you play the game, you get an a; be contentious suffer a bit for it; think apart from the herd altogether, get slaughtered.

i know why the freebird flies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DkkpvnpCE8

janus

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 09:59 | 5464859 Disenchanted

Gruber was one of the salesmen, Fowler(and Co.) were the architects(writers) of the ACA.

Lets be real...

Gruber’s comments aren’t getting so much attention because anyone actually believes them. They’re getting so much attention because some people want other people to believe them. ~ E.K.

btw I could give a shit about the WH/NYT spin. They can kiss my rosy red ass too.

How about this...Rattner, Fowler, and Gruber along with Ezekiel Emmanuel(Rahm's bro and another candidate for 'ACA architect') are all 13th tribe. Is that just a coinky-dink? They are masters at getting the goyim so spun up it looks like their asses are on backwards.

edit: btw II...a case could be made that the Heritage Foundation had more than a little influence on what became the ACA:

The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.

Isn't MRC.org/Bozell(your link) more than a little cozy with the Heritage Foundation?

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 19:51 | 5467612 nmewn

"Is that just a coinky-dink?"

Pretty sure Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Romney, Kennedy etal are not. Are you saying these are the "stupid" people Grubers talking about? ;-)

"...a case could be made that the Heritage Foundation had more than a little influence on what became the ACA..."

That case by progs has already been tried and failed to be made. You didn't source the quote you pasted either by the way. A couple of think tank types at Heritage did in fact kick it around for a while and finally said no to the mandate, as mandating someone engage in commerce is fundamentally wrong, opting for tax credits (that is to say, "sweetners" instead).

Doesn't matter, I'm against using the tax code as a society control device anyways.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 07:36 | 5464538 pupdog1

At least this greasy Gruber monkey is so radioactive that .gov consulting gigs won't be throwing themselves at him.

Now, I want my goddam money back for his fraud work, including all the $400k-per-state work. My state got took for $400k from this MIT bitch.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 06:51 | 5464482 WOD

Mr. Gruber meet Mr. Obama, Mr. Obama meet Mr. Gruber.

Mr. Gruber... meet BUS... you've just been thrown under it!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 06:33 | 5464464 Disenchanted

Yeah who is Gruber...

Why all of a sudden is he the "architect of Obamacare?"

WTF ever happened to Liz Fowler and the corporate health insurance lobby?

In a moment of frank political revelation, Firedoglake reports that Senator Max Bacchus has confirmed that former WellPoint Vice President Liz Fowler wrote substantial portions of the recently approved Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Left-wing opponents of the bill had already claimed that private insurers exercised significant influence on the proceedings in the House and Senate. Bacchus’ revelation takes these claims to a new level as they prove that the private health insurance lobby literally wrote the bill that is being passed off as a “reform” of the healthcare system.

Bacchus cited the contributions made by Liz Fowler during floor proceedings in the Senate. “Liz Fowler worked for me many years ago,” he proudly stated from the microphone, “left for the private sector, and then came back when she realized she could be there at the creation of health care reform because she wanted that to be, in a certain sense, her profession lifetime goal.” Fowler went on to author the influential White Paper that formed the basis for the eventual legislation.

WellPoint is a notorious private insurer. In 2007, it was revealed that the company operated an extensive department entirely dedicated to carrying out procedure denials and insurance cancellations. In 2009, WellPoint’s affiliate, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, sued the state of Maine in an attempt to force the state to guarantee that the company would receive at least a 3% annual return from selling insurance policies in the state. Not surprisingly, the company has also been a campaign contributor to Bacchus’ senatorial runs.

Liz Fowler’s pro-corporate credentials run far deeper than WellPoint. She began her career as an attorney at Hogan & Hartson, a massive corporate law and lobbying firm. The firm is an active campaign contributor, including, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, contributions of $2,000 to Bacchus’ campaigns in 2002 and 2006. There are currently 60 Hogan & Hartson lobbyists working in Washington representing hundreds of corporations, including dozens of health insurers and pharmaceutical companies.

That quote from this March 31st 2010 Dissident Voice article which is here:

How Private Health Insurers Purchased Healthcare Reform

And why does Dissident Voice and others insist on calling it healthcare reform, when this has clearly always been about healthcare insurance.

JFC people, there is no political party coming to save you from this bullshit! I don't give a shit what Beck, FAUX News or Limbaugh are telling you.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 07:43 | 5464547 nmewn

True enough...Gruber was quite proud of himself for helping Romney get this insane idea passed into law up in Mass. And Kennedy was in a unique position to get it subsidized via the feds to the tune of 400 million dollars.

I know there's gotta be a joke in there somewhere, a Catholic, a Jew and a Mormon walk into a bar...lol.

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 20:24 | 5475516 Thom_333

And they worked out a health care plan....ha ha. You are good.

Me and my colleague are doing the Demon&Nuke stand-up routine at parties and such. I wear a Soros mask and my friend a McCain. Some in the audience look slightly crossed or depressed - other laugh hilariously. I for one believe we are actually telling the truth and am interested in their reactions.How can you react to a simple truth in all these very different ways.I learn something new about people every night.

Maybe you should come along for a lighter interlude explaining how health-care as it´s been known to exist is going the way of the dodo before we pick up the rape and loot and nuke theme again.

Due to my accent I´m kinda limited to Soros and Central European evility. Kissinger and such. I think we need some fresh blood.

Whadaya think?

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 10:18 | 5464964 WillyGroper

The biggest joke being how they finally got rid of the Catholic via cell phone glioma.

There's ya some thick medical irony.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 07:29 | 5464529 geekz_rule

so quickly they forget! the plebs love to find any reason to blame obummer for everything. LOL

thank you for a thoughtful post, friend.

ssdd. fake L vs fake R; it keeps the sheeple busy biting each other's tail.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 05:11 | 5464416 orangegeek

Gruber and the Ghost Chasers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl2OzTjSpeA

Gruber is the ugly dog.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 03:45 | 5464334 williambanzai7

For those of you who missed the opportunity last year and those who want more. What better way to add cheer to the Holidays...

And remember, I rely on your collective support to continue what I am doing...

banzai7institute@gmail.com

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 03:21 | 5464317 WTFUD

The answer to the question WB is i don't really know. Who is Barry?
However, he'll get a fair trial like the rest of them before hanging by the neck until dead.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 02:34 | 5464146 SquadronVBF94

Dave Letterman just stole "Philea Lander" picture for one of his bits. Sue him Banzi!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:48 | 5465678 janus

it ain't theft, it's a gesture of respect. there will be no litigation targeted at Mr. Letterman.

Dave has been with janus from the beginning of his cultural awareness...in that we are a media-saturated society, Dave has always been like that uncle i wished i had. acerbic satire, great taste in music, a gentleman, quick-witted, genial without groveling...i proclaim uncle Dave an honorary ZHealot.

i'm conflicted about his retirement. on the one hand, i want him to have all the family time he deserves; but on the other hand i hate to see him go...please think it over, uncle Dave -- maybe just a year or so more...you know, for the memories.

here's some classic Letterman originals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDihvcUWUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSG0A7JXEt4

mmmmmmmmmm!...pancakes,

janus

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 08:25 | 5468988 blindman

"is the food ready?" customer.
"the food will always be ready, are you ready?" d.l.
hilarious.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:51 | 5464074 scrappy

May the "Shultz" be with you.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:34 | 5464017 medium giraffe

Lol WB! Was just having a flick through - love the Periodic Table, you 've gotta bust that one out if you haven't already, friggin' hilarious. 'Fecklessoids', hehehehe....

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:54 | 5464084 williambanzai7

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:24 | 5465533 janus

absolutely supurb, WildBill! 5 stars for the periodic tables...supremely creative concept here, my friend!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 11:50 | 5465342 dexter_morgan

A classic.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 10:15 | 5464950 WillyGroper

Have you published a coffee table book yet?

How about those T-shirt transfers?

A Gruber Iron on would be the BEST!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 04:27 | 5464378 medium giraffe

YES! Ty WB. Corruptoids - not bloody wrong there!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 03:23 | 5464316 wisefool

It is all fun and games until they build a trillion dollar derivates market on uraniusium.

Thanks William. Beggars request, but since you are going through the barn, tis the season for the zerohedgeville showings. 100% garenteed to keep space monkeys warm.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 03:38 | 5464332 williambanzai7

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:38 | 5465620 dexter_morgan

Hey, there's Ricky and Julian......and Bub's

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:48 | 5464066 scrappy

That was AWESOME, LOL bud, thanks for the healthy endorphins.

Obie Care needs to DIE HARD.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:25 | 5463989 Panic Mode

Paul Grubman

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:10 | 5463923 Otto Zitte

JONATHAN GRUBER ^{@ 2009}

MIT Department of Economics

50 Memorial Drive, E52-355

Cambridge, MA 02142-1347

Phone: 617-253-8892

Fax: 617-253-1330

E-Mail: gruberj@mit.edu

Web: http://econ-www.mit.edu/faculty/gruberj/

http://economics.mit.edu/files/4442

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 00:31 | 5464002 q99x2

Great idea for an enemies against Americans info website:

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 12:58 | 5465726 Otto Zitte

Some people never learn.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:44 | 5463821 MontgomeryScott

A famous American comedian of days gone by named Jimmy Durante used to have a famous saying:

"Da' NOSE KNOWS!"

The Werewolves of London had something in common as well: Their hair was PERFECT.

A little Warren Zevon, WB, for consideration during the veiwing of the Western nations in their inevitable collapse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRu8N2K0NY

I saw a Werewolf drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vic's (and his hair was PERFECT)...

Kudos for including D.B. Cooper. AH, the 'early' time of hijackers (the reference being that time which was called 'the Happy Times' by the German submariners in WWII)... plot (sort of) solved by the Fucking Bastard Ingrates...

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:35 | 5463818 Reaper

Gruber is the fraud in each of them.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:25 | 5463738 Sub MOA

this whole gruber shit stinks tighten up your tin hats a little this little turd is out yappin all this foolishness for a reason I believe .....something along the lines of an even bigger debacle comming down the sewer line from .gov that makes obie care look like childs play. obola care is not creating the cash flow they want. I'm waiting for thier plan B

just remember they never let a good disaster go to waste gruber is a patsy

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:38 | 5463833 the grateful un...

Gruber's a maximun distraction, the american people have nothing to say about the repeal of obamacare, thats all on the GOP. so what did the obama people do? they got out in front, by throwing a few bones to the media. controlling the debate over the issues. smart real smart.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:20 | 5463712 the grateful un...

ah come on the american people knew the bill stunk to high heaven but it was better than what they had, which is medicaid, which is what they have anyway. of all the things Gruber has SAID i dont think he has said that, that despite your socalled coverage you can still end up on medicaid, signing over the last of you assets to the state government. which makes me think this is just another red herring to convince people obamacare isnt as bad as they really know it is.

Tue, 11/18/2014 - 23:11 | 5463668 billbengen