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America Throws Up Over Obama's Immigration Executive Action Even Before It Is Announced
Ahead of President Obama's address to the nation tomorrow to dictate his executive orders on immigration, potentially allowing millions of undocumented immigrants to stay legally in the US, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds nearly half of Americans disapprove of his plan. Only a dismal 38% support the President taking this executive action... which makes us wonder if there has ever been so much revulsion at the policies of a standing President. It's good to be king.
Forty-eight percent oppose Obama taking executive action on immigration -- which could come as soon as later this week -- while 38 percent support it; another 14 percent have no opinion or are unsure.
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Not surprisingly, these numbers largely break along partisan lines: 63 percent of Democrats approve of Obama taking executive action here, versus just 11 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of independents.
Latinos are divided, with 43 percent supporting the action and 37 percent opposing it.
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I personally don't think so... IMO even the mainstream GOP are not for executive actions on amnesty, especially at this point right before they take control of the Senate. Just doesn't make sense for them to do so. Sure, they have been feckless and spinless, but that does not mean they are either supportive or in bed with Obama on this, or anything else for that matter.
I'll go one step further and state I think the GOP has actually been very effective, legislatively, over the last 4 years. With virtually all the media outlets and the DNC lieing about the GOP every single moment, and Reid holding up virtually every bill from the House, the public of course believes the GOP are as responsible for the problems as the Dems and Obama.
Still looking for "executive orders" in my copy of the Constitution.
I guess they must be, well, Unconstitutional.
Oops, that would mean that the NSA, FEMA and this nonsense is Unconstitutional.
"Don't you hate it when that happens?!"
An American, not US subject.
But then the whole thing is a ruse by CIA-Obama to rile up the right-wing, evangelical Christian, neo-con sheeple into a fervor that will allow them to institute the next step in dictatorship.
Love ya bro, always great arguments building up but you never quite stick the landing.
Pretty sure the neo cons aren't against this at all, seeing that they are really just crypto dems that run in red states.
Trillions spent on defense and homeland security BS and lies. What a joke country,.
Qualifying the Bushist cabal as Commie "statists" is not far from the truth; although it be a historical misnomer.
Both Stalin and GWB were despots. Period.
They controlled the biggest despotic machines : the State. But to destroy despotism one has to have a solution.
Its not anarchism nor obscurantism.
A rant against despotism without a solution is a waste of time as History shows. It needs a "we the people" that can out-fool the Machiavellian manipulators.
We are not there YET, as the people are clueless, as the 4th estate, their Sherlock Holmes of truth seekers are now working for the "other side". If you add to that the "regulators" and the Supreme "creme de menthe" hanging chad shenanigans, compounded by elimination of habeas corpus and Patriot Act and NSA "for ever", you are home and dry to what is the true state of affairs.
After having presented amply the libertarian mantra here at the Hedge that : democracy, the populist variety, is not the hallmark of US republicanism --the contributors of ZH (if not the Tylers) have amply demonstrated this maxim time and again-- we now have a post that Bashes Obama for exactly the opposite reason; aka 52% Americans don't support his alleged decision exposed tomorrow.
I don't see the logic of this new line of argument. You cannot on the one hand say a Potus should do what he thinks best for the nation as he is the TRULY elected #1, and then say but the unwashed (or the unelected if you prefer) don't like his decision and therefore its not in the interests of the country.
Which is the line of argument the Tylers support : People's fickle instant poll opinion (which could about turn tomorrow) or more solid reasons based on cogent arguments ?
Hey asshole. All I ask is that the POTUS do what's fucking legal.
I give two shits about what he thinks is fair or right.
There is also a concept called consent of the governed....what you brush away as unwashed whoevers....
"Hey asshole. All I ask is that the POTUS do what's fucking legal."
There is a marked difference between what is "legal," and what is "lawful."
"Legal" is what they say it is. "Lawful" is what the is permitted under the FULL body of the law.
One can see "legal" at work in the DC US' interpretation and use of the "commerce" and "general welfare" clauses. Also in calling the Obamacare mandate a tax instead of a mandate (Look ma! I squared the circle.").
The "full body of the law, begins, emanates, from the Constitution. If it is not provided for, or is prohibited by the Constitution, then it is, by definition, not "lawful." Therefore, being "unlawful," such an edict, dictate, from power is not a "lawfully" enforceable law. Enforcement of such an edict, dictate, is an act of transgression against the people's Life, Liberty, and/or Property, and is therefore and act of war, and treason under Article 3, Section 3.
An American, and Witness One, not US subject.
This is nonsense.
The nonsense is a tendancy at the Hedge to present one logic and its opposite as if both were equally valid.
This fence sitting by the Tylers has to stop or be explained.
Are we in the logic of MSM of : whats important is that "the game never ends". Thats what QE is about : LET THIS GAME NEVER END !
Or are we in the logic that those who sing this song are worse than CRIME itself ?
of course its legal as he has executive privilege.
Consent of the governed is covered by executive privilege that ALL presidents have used for differing reasons.
Don't fart against the wind, there is inevitable blowback.
How many times will Obozo use the words children and families in his speach?
Anyone up for a drinking game??????????????
Total Violation of A1S8C4 US Const.
CONGRESS Powers:
"To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;"
The President has no power to "make law" only to execute the laws established by Congress.
Not that the US Const. exists anymore, since the executor of the laws (POTUS) is an illegal entity (NOT a natural born Citizen, since he was born BRITISH of a British subject father).
If the executor of the laws is an illegal entity then the law is only what he says it is. Just look around.
Hussein Obama, installed by election fraud perpetrated by the NWO, was the deathblow to the Republic.
Hussein Obama presides over the Cloward Piven destruction of America, and this situation can only be turned around by yanking him from our office and hanging the co conspirators in Congress that allowed the destroyer domestic enemy of the US to be there.
Can it be any more plain and in front of your lying eyes?
Congress has been giving its authority away.
They don't don't want to make big decisions.
They just want re-election to the easiest job on earth.
learn from example folks
lie, cheat and steal
barry does it so well - fraud is the new norm, right barry?
This is how the Roman Empire was destroyed from within.Textbook.
Ho, hum... just BTFD and move on. The only certainties left in life anymore are (1) death, (2) Obama lies, and (3) the markets only go up.
Like most other debates, this is a trick question. We should be asking why governments oppose the free movement across borders at all. Or for that matter, why do countries/governments even exist? Seems like most people only want the government to step in when it suits them.
Google "welfare, EBT, etc."
Get rid of aid for immigrants, like it was in times past, then you may have an argument.
Say hello to Gruber for us.
I'm not on welfare and I don't support it. Open the flood gates and let the system crash under its own mass I say. I realize that a lot of people live off the government better than I do with my 40 hour/week corporate job and I think that's a travesty. That's why I support my local fight club :)
Death to the "King" already, for god's sake. wtf, what are we waiting for? One man is not supposed to be able to illegally run the US. Take his fking head off. Now.
Yeah take out the mouthpiece.. That will fix everything.. Lol, I bet you voted in the last election too..
The people that approve should foot the bill for it. It's the fairest way I know to do it.
The timing of this Immigration Order is to kill any reporting on Ferguson. ADHD nation allows themselves to be grubered again.
Like most everything else that used to have some objective basis but no longer does, polls are becoming instruments to shape public opinion rather than quantify it (eg, the inaccurate polls for the 2014 election which had about a +6 to +8 Democratic bias).
During the 2004 election, I educated myself re polls. Today, I can peruse the specifics of a poll and pretty much determine how accurate it is. I searched for the specifics of the NBC/WSJ poll results to so determine but the details were nowhere to be found.
My opinion is that the specific questions the poll asked were cleverly worded to increase the percentage of respondents who support Obama's executive action, and that the poll's internals (eg, the demographic mix, the political mix, land lines vs cell lines, etc) were also similarly biased.
NBC is in the tank for Obama. Except for the editorial pages, so is the WSJ.
It is not a coincidence that the poll was released today. Chances are close to 100% that the White House closely coordinated with NBC and the WSJ to release the poll's results today.
the USA is reaping what it's sown. decades of corruption correlated with moral/ethical decay has us in a world where it's not about upholding the law or traditions of our country but about getting mine where the only impediment is how much you can get away with. this is what happens when you have a peoples who have no moral compass.
37% of Latinos oppose? Sure, come on in and close the gate behind yourself, why don't you.
Obama wants SOMEONE to love him; Blacks feel he has let them down by not providing them with reparations, whites dislike him because, well......because he is Barack Obama. Jews dislike him because he has not been as pro Israeli as they thought he should have been {attacked Iran by now}, and Muslims dislike him because he has not implemented Sharia law in the USA yet {after all, he did tell them he was a Muslim brother in a speech at a Detroit mosque back in 2008. At least this way the Mezcuns will like him. And the queers, let's not forget the queers, because they will not let us forget about them. If we try, they will have a parade, or plaster they're cars with equal sign bumper stickers.
Fucking dumbasses. This should be opposed by a hell of a lot more. Why do we allow the position of president ever growing authority?
Don't. Ever. Question. "The World's Smartest Man"®
“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century” “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole—especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan—it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.” -- Barack Obama from The Audacity of Hope
The man is a mennace!
If people acknowledge that the executive now really can unilaterally create laws, then we live in a dictatorship.
Seriously.
A 'Dictator' is an executive who both makes the Laws and Enforces them.
I agree with your POV, and is that you George? It's Panama
Polls, schmolls. This proves without question that the people mean nothing as this directive comes from the highest rank of the ZWO. Same game, different country.
With a Dirt Democracy, the people would decide.
why not a 100,000 protester March to the White House, to throw bag of garbage over the fence, to give Emperor 0 a taste of what he about to dump on the rest of us? what, they going to shoot?
We used to do this kind of thing, before we all got busy facebookin' or whatever more important stuff it is we do these days..