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The New World Order: Does It All Just Boil Down To A Battle For Your Soul?
Submitted by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,
From its very inception, the Leninist/Marxist ideology of the Soviet Union made it a central priority to dispel and subjugate religious and spiritual expression. The state was “god.” No other god could be allowed to flourish, for if the people were given license and freedom of belief in something beyond themselves and beyond the establishment, they would retain a sense of rebellion. The collectivist philosophy requires the utter destruction of all competitors; otherwise, it can never truly prevail.
Atheism became the cult of choice among the communists, for in an atheist world there is nothing beyond the veil. There is no greater goal and no inherent self. There is no true individualism, only self interest (not the same thing), the trappings of environmental circumstances, and the constant substantiation of the greater good. By extension, there is no inborn moral compass or conscience, only the social fashions and mores of the moment. In such a world, tyrants reign supreme because atheism allows relativism to flourish; and any crime, no matter how heinous, can be rationalized. Beyond this, if you know and study the real history of the rise of communism, you know through great researchers like Antony Sutton that the very fabric of the system would never have existed without the monetary and military aid of international financiers (i.e. the NWO).
The atheist position uses the same arguments I have just made as a reason to remove religion and spirituality from our cultural influences. And in some respects, atheists are right. Religion is a tool that can be exploited to manipulate the masses. Any system of belief that is faith-based can be misinterpreted and abused in order to lure unwitting dupes and mindless followers into the fray of an engineered disaster. Atheists commonly argue that it is the encumbering nature of faith that causes mankind to destroy itself in the name of zealotry and self-righteous ignorance.
The difference, however, is that religious zealots are still required by the confines of their dogma to at least appear as though they follow a moral code. Therefore, they can be exposed as violators of this code and weakened over time. The atheist/collectivist system, though, thrives on the concept that there is no such thing as a moral code and that one is vindicated and heroic if he takes extreme action to prove that traditional morality is a vice, rather than a virtue. Atheists in positions of power often make no attempt to affirm their actions; rather, they demand that society abandon all conscience and sense of natural law. They do not ask for forgiveness; they order you to apologize for your moral compass. Are some atheists good and honorable people? Surely. The point, however, remains; atheism is the new flavor of the era, the increasingly predominant gravitational center of modern culture, the philosophical soil in which the NWO has chosen to grow its globalist experiment.
What atheists don’t seem to grasp is that atheism is itself based on an act of faith: faith in the idea that there is nothing beyond our perceptions of existence. They have no more factual knowledge of what lay at the center of life than any of the religious acolytes they so fondly attack, yet their own hypocrisy is apparently lost on them.
I would not pretend to deny that religion has the ability to create a volatile atmosphere edging toward genocidal tendency, but so does any belief system that assumes it is the paramount of knowledge denying all others. The intellectual intolerance of the socialist atheism of the 20th century spawned a death machine that claimed the lives of millions of people. So, clearly, atheists should be more concerned with the violent tendencies of their own ilk rather than the religious “fiends” they seem so obsessed with. Of course, this is a history modern atheists would rather ignore or rewrite.
I have always been concerned with the dilemma of the collectivist ideology, but even more so in recent months, as our world creeps closer toward global crisis. Crisis always provides circumstance and cover for dangerous philosophical totalitarianism.
Not long ago I came across the column “Some Atheists And Transhumanists Are Asking: Should It Be Illegal To Indoctrinate Kids With Religion?” on Huffington Post. It was written by Zoltan Istvan, a transhumanist and self-proclaimed “visionary and philosopher.”
Firstly, I have a hard time taking anything published by the Huffington Post seriously. Secondly, I have a hard time taking anyone using the name “Zoltan” seriously. Thirdly, I have a hard time taking anyone who labels himself a “visionary” seriously. That said, it is important to study the propaganda of the other side carefully. You never know what kinds of truths you might come across amid all the lies.
The article does not really define what it considers “indoctrination", but I would assume transhumanists and atheists would argue that anything not scientifically proven could become indoctrination. Interestingly, Istvan starts his tirade against the handing down of religious beliefs by admitting that science has added very little to our overall knowledge of the universe. After all, human beings experience only a narrow spectrum of the world around us, and there is indeed much we do not know. For some reason, it does not dawn on atheists that perhaps our limited scientific observations of the universe do not necessarily outweigh or deny the existence of an intelligent design.
In order to distract from their fundamental lack of knowledge, modern collectivist governments and movements have always made the promise of technological utopia and endless abundance in order to sway the populace into supporting establishment power. We will all work far less, or we will never have to work at all. Shelter, food, health and wealth will be provided for us. Our free time will be spent studying the nature of the cosmos and perpetuating the cult of academia, protected by a benevolent technocratic governing body straight out of an episode of “Star Trek.”
Not surprisingly, John Maynard Keynes himself predicted in 1930 that technological advancement and economic abundance would result in a three-hour workday and infinite time to amuse oneself by the year 2030 in his essay “The Economic Possibilities For Our Grandchildren.”
This was the same essay in which Keynes referred to the financial concerns of many at the onset of the Great Depression as “misinterpretations” and “pessimism.”
Transhumanism, a mainstay of global elitism and the New World Order, also uses fantastical images of scientifically created contentment to sell itself to starry-eyed rubes packed into the circus tent of the technocratic carnival. The very essence of the movement is the argument that one day ALL knowledge of the universe will be obtained by mankind and that through this knowledge, we (a select few anyway) will obtain godhood.
Again, as in the Huffington Post column, the claim is that science knows all or will eventually know all and that whatever has not been dissected and observed by science like the conceptions of religion must, therefore, be dubious myth.
Ironically, there is far more scientific evidence of God and spiritual life than there is evidence against. So by the very standards many atheists hold dear, it is they who are peddling indoctrination rather than truth.
In the world of mathematics, the good friend of Albert Einstein, Kurt Godel, is famous (but not as famous as he should be) for writing what would be called the “incompleteness proof.” In mathematics, a proof is a statement that is ALWAYS true and can always be proven true. Godel’s proof shook the very foundations of the mathematical world, because it outlined the fact that all mathematical knowledge is limited by numerical paradox, and that humanity will never be able to define all things through mathematical means.
Global elites such as Bertrand Russell had spent years of effort attempting to prove that mathematics was the unbridled code of the universe and that the universe could be understood in its entirety through the use of numbers. Godel shattered this delusion with his incompleteness proof, establishing once and for all that math is limited, not infinite. The existence of mathematical paradox along with an undefinable “infinity” lends credence to the religious view that there are indeed some things man will never know, but at least he has the ability to prove that he can never know them.
In the world of quantum physics, the work of Werner Heisenberg, along with that of many other scientists, has shown that the very mechanics of the world around us are not at all what they seem and that traditional physics is only a hollow shell of knowledge limited by our ability to observe.
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle dictates that the observer of a particular physical state always affects the object being observed, making it impossible to know all the data necessary at one time to predict the future of that object. If a person hoped to become a god, he would certainly need to be able to tell the future; and to tell the future, one would need the ability to observe and record every aspect of every particle interacting in the environment around him. Any unknown quantity could change the outcome of any particular event. Heisenberg found that particles act very differently depending on how they are observed. In some experiments, he even discovered that individual particles appeared to be in two places at the same time, thus making them wholly unpredictable.
This behavior in the building blocks of matter is confounding to many in the realm of physics. Add to it the fact that scientists remain fixed on an endless and apparently futile quest to find the base particle that makes up the universe, and once again we find that the dreams of the transhumanist atheists to attain godhood fall terribly short. In addition, the apparently "intelligent" behavior of inanimate particles under observation leads one to question whether the universe is really just a chaotic mess of matter, or a dynamic living machine.
In the realm of psychology, Carl Gustav Jung discovered through decades of research the existence of inborn psychological contents. That is to say, from the moment of our birth, human beings contain complex elements of knowledge and identity, meaning we are NOT merely products of our particular environments. Jung called these pieces of inherent information “archetypes.”
The most important aspect of archetypes for our discussion is the existence of opposing views, or “dualities.” The concepts of good and evil, the concepts of conscience as well as guilt and regret, are not necessarily taught to us. Rather, we are born with such elements already within us. The fact that we are born with an at least unconscious understanding of good versus evil means we have the potential power of choice, a power beyond the realm of environment and beyond the reach of would-be tyrants and collectivists. If this does not constitute scientific evidence of a human “soul,” then I do not know what does. The fact of archetypes is undeniable. The question is: Since they do not come from environment, where do they come from?
Istvan’s column doesn’t mention or regard any of the scientific evidence for the existence of an intelligent design. He merely argues that science is the only definable known quantity, and only the known quantity is an acceptable form of belief. But what if the known quantity is so limited as to make a society dangerously ignorant?
The article goes on to promote (somewhat shamelessly) the author’s book, in which the hero, a transhumanist atheist, is given the power to reshape society into any form he wishes. The hero questions whether he should remove religion from the picture entirely, for if religion were erased, wouldn’t the world finally be at peace? Istvan himself questions whether religious expression should be banned in the case of children, so that they are given the chance to “choose” what they wish to believe later in life. This, of course, disregards the fact that children are already born with the prospect of choice, which is why many children who grow up Christian do not practice it later in life, and why many children from atheist homes end up joining religious movements. The idea that all children are permanently molded or damaged by their parent’s unchecked beliefs is complete nonsense.
What the author reveals in his work of fiction is the greater threat of the atheist and transhumanist ideology — namely, the arrogant assumption that they know what is best for the world and the public based on their scientific observations, which are limited and often misinterpreted. This problem extends into the oligarchy of globalists, who adore the theories expressed in Plato’s “The Republic,” in which an elite cadre of “philosopher kings,” men who have achieved a heightened level of academic knowledge, are exalted as the most qualified leaders. However, leadership requires more than knowledge, even if that knowledge is profound. Leadership also requires compassion and informed consent, two things for which the elites have no regard.
The New World Order, an ideal often touted by globalists and defined by their own rhetoric as a scientific dictatorship in which collectivism is valued and individualism is criminalized, seems to me to be — in its ultimate form and intention — a battle for the human soul. They try to convince us that there is no such thing, that there is no inborn conscience, that there is a rationale for every action, that spiritualism is a frivolous and terroristic pursuit, and that cold logic and science, as defined by them, are the paths to prosperity and peace. They also seek to tempt the masses with imaginary stories of attainable godhood and artificial Eden, promises on which they can never deliver. Anyone can point a gun at you and demand your fealty, but this is not what the elites want. Rather, they want you to voluntarily resign yourself over to the hive mind and sacrifice your conscience in the process. While one might argue over what it is they "truly" believe at the core of their cult, it is undeniable that collectivism, moral relativism, and atheism are their favorite promotional weapons.
The reactionary responses to my criticisms of the elitist philosophy will likely involve endless renunciations of crimes committed in the name of religious fervor. I agree; religion has always been exploited, usually by the elites themselves, to enslave as well as to murder. Even today, I hear some so-called Christians argue in favor of genocide using half-baked interpretations of biblical reference. But at bottom, I much prefer a world in which religious expression is free, rather than abolished in the name of an overarching zealotry in the form of a stunted mathematical morality. I prefer a world where the spiritual side of existence is allowed to add to observational awareness. Logic alone is not wisdom, after all. Wisdom is the combination of reason, intuition and experience.
I refuse to live under any form of theocracy, whether religious or scientific. The idea that we must choose between one or the other is a farce — a controlled debate. The individual soul (or whatever you want to call it) is the only thing that matters. It is important that we never forget that when we fight against the NWO, we are not just fighting for liberty; we are also fighting for something profoundly and inherently spiritual. Though we might not be able to define it, we can feel it. And that is enough.
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Powwwaa to da people!
Does it boil down to a battle for your soul?
Yes.
Pure clean and simply put. Both the question and answer. As clear as day and night.
It is a monster trying to consume you wrapped about your temporal being and extracting the very energy and spirit of you.
The only reality is that which cannot be seen and is dismissed and demeaned.
The three misunderstood points of reality: Time, the very spark of life itself and consciousness.
Your very soul
The rest is but a temporary temporal expendable shell
Your soul is all that matters.
Yes, brother, you beat me to the message!
They can't even control the EU or Russia and quacks think they can (eventually) control the world?
Heh...
What about africa?
LOL, Does that count in the NWO too?
I hardly doubt it...
NWO is a byproduct of our own paranoia...
or peoples paranoia about God, which puts them in the catagory as enablers of the "NWO"
or put another way, it's perfectly normal to believe in invisible little men from other planets that the state can destroy with their superior fire power and movie FX but lets make fun of people that believe in God cause they all just like MOOOSLIMS in the end.
Remember, you are dealing with the same psychopaths that think they can control markets forever.
Regarding souls --
From http://www.nanticokeindians.org/tale_of_two_wolves.cfm
ONE EVENING, AN ELDERLY
CHEROKEE BRAVE TOLD HIS
GRANDSON ABOUT A BATTLE THAT
GOES ON INSIDE PEOPLE.
HE SAID "MY SON, THE BATTLE IS
BETWEEN TWO 'WOLVES' INSIDE US ALL.
ONE IS EVIL. IT IS ANGER,
ENVY, JEALOUSY, SORROW,
REGRET, GREED, ARROGANCE,
SELF-PITY, GUILT, RESENTMENT,
INFERIORITY, LIES, FALSE PRIDE,
SUPERIORITY, AND EGO.
THE OTHER IS GOOD.
IT IS JOY, PEACE LOVE, HOPE SERENITY,
HUMILITY, KINDNESS, BENEVOLENCE,
EMPATHY, GENEROSITY,
TRUTH, COMPASSION AND FAITH."
THE GRANDSON THOUGH ABOUT
IT FOR A MINUTE AND THEN ASKED
HIS GRANDFATHER:
"WHICH WOLF WINS?..."
THE OLD CHEROKEE SIMPLY REPLIED,
"THE ONE THAT YOU FEED"
battle over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prjhQcqiGQc
social culture workplace edutainment vortex 1
soul 0
in the video, that's me in the lower left
I believe the song put it succinctly:
"You can't even run your own life, I'll be damn if you'll run mine"
>Not afraid of death
>Afraid of death
>Not afraid of not existing prior to birth
>Afraid of not existing prior to birth
By extension, there is no inborn moral compass or conscience, only the social fashions and mores of the moment.
stopped reading right there! because i don't follow the religious plan laid forth, i will revert to behaviors not acceptable- fuck you for assuming all peoples are listless idiots that can't think and rationalize right and wrong without religion...
by extension you the author are an idiot imfo...
Every church is his own cult, even churchless people, have a cult. It's like if you choose not to decide, you have still made a decision.
You're not a unique snowflake ~ lol
I'm not laughing at anyone here [or if I am, I'm laughing at myself too]. It's simply that the irony strikes me.
Here we are, everybody chiming in about the soul, who were drawn here in the first place by the words & actions of the fictional character Tyler Durden.
I thought this was worthy of comment from Brandon's:
"Istvan’s column doesn’t mention or regard any of the scientific evidence for the existence of an intelligent design. He merely argues that science is the only definable known quantity, and only the known quantity is an acceptable form of belief. But what if the known quantity is so limited as to make a society dangerously ignorant?"
Better stated perhaps, is what would Istvan say about the damage done to a society when "the known quantity" of science is proven ethically & morally wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt...that the sciences intent was good?
We've just had yet another "scientist" (and his model) exposed as being lying and deceptive and he the bastard, more interested in how much profit he can make than any good that can ever come from his "science" for society. This can be applied to any field of science or religion...if its used outside the guidelines of truth & fact it has become evil.
Now comes the punishment phase from society ;-)
And, there are those that exist, but do not live.
We can guess who they are.
Good article and very insightful.
Before anyone chooses to "take on the man", we need to examine our own role in creating the monster of modern life. We are related to this beast. Few are those who never spend any of those pieces of paper we love to bash on here, and we are empowering this system with each of those transactions. We may not be happy about it, but we are contributing nonetheless.
Begin to imagine a life that is truly free of those things "the economy" provides, and you begin to scratch the surface of real liberty. Smith distinguishes between liberty and this spiritual essense. I disagree. I believe true individual liberty is this very essence. Reaching a point when your soul's sustenance does not depend on external material needs/wants/desires/wishes is the highest form of attainment in most religions, and that experience is to be cherished, as so very few throughout history have achieved it.
A network of people who are independent within themselves, spiritually I mean, and who decide to band together to protect their physical safety within the material world? Groups like this usually are attacked pretty seriously by the local power structure wherever they show up. So it has always been, and so it will likely continue to be. But a life such as that, even in the sad event it ends from external violence, will always be the highest possible human endeavor made manifest.
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and who attacks those peoples?
all hierarchical cultures/societies exhibit the same traits - those accorded the most privileges will work to retain those privileges, exerting top down pressures by laws and violence, to keep their privileges intact. this is the model, and this is why hierarchies are so favoured by those who intend to rule over. whilst culture is violently policing "itself" - the overlords continue with the looting of everyone/thing.
just give a few some special ideas about themselves, be it "colour/race/sex/religion/fiat pile" - and they WILL actively oppress anyone who appears to challenge their believed in privilege/superiority.
"it's perfectly normal to believe in invisible little men from other planet"
Wrong. It is not normal to believe in "invisible" men from other planets. You accept that there is a possibility intelligent life may exist in other parts of the universe but until there is evidence it is a moot point.
You guys who kowtow to the great invisible grey bearded sky man are just as hen pecked as the serfs subjected to marxism and communism, you've just backed it up one more level. You can't seem to conceive of a life or existence free from servility, it seems to be preprogrammed into you. Sure you claim that your grovelling to god is love but often is the case that hostages fall in love with their overlord.
The term "god fearing" christian is a marvellous insight into the true nature of belief - FEAR. Mmmmm, who wants humans to be fearful, the ruling elite, yes, that's right. Mmmm, lets put two and two together now and conclude that the the ruling elite have constructed and refined these systems of human bondage to keep people in a constant state of fear and therefore much easier to CONTROL.
Your beliefs are the product of centuries of experiment and refinement by the oligarchs and ruling elite in creating the institutions, stories, fables, myths to render you pliable to their demands.
Now, it is you who have to endure a violent psychological upheavel when you realise the true nature of these things you hold truly dear to your heart. Many, most of you will not be able to face this. You will continue to love in a classic example of stockholm syndrome.
. . . . . . . AND SO YOU SHOULD BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOUR SOUL WILL BE BANISHED TO HELL FOR ETERNITY. MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Evil laugh by TPTB).
A quick check at free dictionary shows that 'god fearing Christian' is a reference to 'deeply religious or pious'. 'Deeply religious or pious' first and foremost brings to mind the image of the Pharisee, and we all know the story there. Anything past that in your post falls on deaf ears as you are not willing to abandon your baggage before posting. I strongly suspect that 'god fearing Christian' is a term coined in the middle ages to bend the will of the lesser learned to to the objectives of the ruling classes.
Sic semper tyrannis
Man, I just don't get you people. You have probably read as much history as I have and you know damned well humans have had countless thousands of belief systems that seemed as every bit real and personal to those people as christianity or whatever is to you. You know this as fact, categorical and undeniable fact. This has to displace christianity from any special pedestal all you christians attribute it to, IT HAS TO. Without any further argument. None of these countless thousands of belief systems knew anything about christ. Hinduism, Busshism and Jainism have been around for a thousand years prior to christ.
Why do you think the Jews follow the Talmud? Tell me, why do they?
Why do you think the Arabs follow the Koran? Tell me, why do they?
Why do you think the Hindus follow the Vedas? Tell me, why do they?
Do you think it's happenstance? Do you think this is possible?
The fucking arrogance DRIVES ME FUCKING CRAZY. That you know all this yet refuse to accept that there is no absolute right one. The evidence is staring you in the face in those previous three lines. THERE ARE MANY MANY BELIEF SYSTEMS FOR FUCKS SAKE and it is WESTERN FUCKING ARROGANCE to assume yours is right.
DRIVES ME FUCKING BAT SHIT CRAZY.
Arrogance, just like ignorance, is a universal trait. Mix in some gullibility and some fear of the unknown and voila - you've got yourself a belief system based on dogmas that you are not supposed or allowed to question. It works wonders every time and the best part is - it's not restricted to religious systems.
The key to your rant is here
DRIVES ME FUCKING BAT SHIT CRAZY.
Being so consumed with what others believe is causing you more grief and frustration than those who believe these things you find so repugnant. I really could care less if someone worships a multi armed blue deity, a Spaghetti Monster or Jesus. All spiritual paths are ultimately about yourself and finding meaning in this life above the scratching for existence.
That you are so agitated indicates to me you are searching yourself. Yes, many fixate on absolutes and dogmatic belief systems for answers and cling to them as an Opiate. Why does it matter?
Miffed
It matters to him because he feels he is a god. Everyone must conform to his ideas or they are simple minded people.
Working in a hospital has given me some insight into this. It is interesting to watch these self assured types when faced with death and how they react. Believe me, it is rarely peaceful acceptance. Sometimes it's fear leading to bargaining. The whimpering and clawing at one last procedure in hopes it will provide a few more breaths. Sometimes anger. Threatened lawsuits. The " if everyone did their job correctly I wouldn't have gotten that infection" ploy. It is always focusing outside of themselves because they can't face the pain within.
I used to be very repulsed by them but I have grown to see the real tragedy and sadness involved. I have become more empathetic.
Miffed
The biggest struggle happens at the very end...when they finally have to accept it...that whcih they do not want to accept...but they must.
They will fight against it. They will scratch against it. They will seek second opinions about it. They will seek validation that the information given to them is somehow flawed. The intensity is the greatest before the end of their struggle. Ever been fishing?
Then they just will have to accept it.
And I mean that in more ways than one, Miffed. What is IT that I am writing about?
It actually goes further than that..in fact humans cannot be controlled and never could be...and everyone who has tried controlling us has eventually failed. Part of the problem is that we still have not completely unravelled how we exist or what reality is. With these foundations missing all strategies to control us are doomed.
People have souls?
Most people I look at don't even have a brain, much less a 'soul'.
Even puppy dogs have souls.
All dogs go to heaven, cats get skinned in hell.
Hahahaha, why, what's wrong with cats. They are beautiful, specially kittens.
Dr. Jekyll (Mr. Hyde) shreds my hands....my arms...and climbs my legs when he is not busy actually climbing the walls...seriously climbing the walls...with his claws as Tricouni Nails for Rock Climbing..
May God forbid that I try to eat something. This cat will even eat Spinach...Mushrooms...Corn...Potatoes...and anything flesh. And he is fond of String Beans.
He has this annoying habit of jumping up on the toilet while I am urinating. Then he gets a shower with a subsequent bath.
But everybody loves Dr. Jekyll...He is so charming and cute when they are around.
Afterwards he transforms into Monster Kitty.
Yeah...beautiful...until you own one....or...one owns you.
Cats are cool...when they belong to someone else.
He is being good right now...He is asleep.
Hahahaha, I knew there would be an animal lover behind that nic.
I care for all manner of wildlife from birds, possums, raptors and reptiles and the occassional domestic cat or dog that gets hopelessly lost in the suburbs. One of lifes greatest and absolute pleasures is interacting with another being without the use of words, or any sounds for that matter, at all. There is something deeply ancient and prehistoric about it.
I was once at the helm of a yacht 200 km off the east coast of australia and a gigantic albatross started hovering off the stern. It looked directly into my eyes and held my gaze. I went and grabbed some food as I thought it might be hungry/starving. I held my hand out while it expertly hovered a foot ot two off the stern and rather than take the food it landed on my arm. It perched there, looking into my eyes. One of the other crew got excited and rushed towards the stern causing the bird to take fright. Off it went in a huge arching circle. I knew it was coming back. I stared at it and followed it as it completed the circle, returning to the stern and hovering again. It landed back on my arm. I sat down with this bird and placed it in my lap and was stroking it from head to tail for about 10 minutes. After our time was up I held back over the stern to give it clean air. It gracefully lauched itself into the air and flew off over the horiszon.
This is not something money can buy.
What is your pussy cats name?
Dr. Jekyll.
Right now he is awake, purring, and demanding attention,
I also enjoy interacting with wildlife. Cool story.
Oh, I thought you were using Dr Jekyll as a humourous means to describe it's personality, which is probably why you named it that.
Dogs have owners.
Cats have staff.
Philosophers, atheists and others may affirm or refute the existence of God, but as long as they do not deny the existence of their own being they continue to testify to their belief in God-for I tell you, with divine authority, that God is Existence, eternal and infinite. He is EVERYTHING.
some avataric dude with a moustache circa 1894-1969
Sounds like a dick head to me. May as well just say god is everything in the universe. What the fuck would that mean though?
In fact, this is exactly what I believe. What it means is that you are a very small part of God. I am another very small part. The table I am looking at another, etc, etc. The challenge throughout history is that because we all represent only a small part of the whole, there is by definition no way for any of us to see or understand the whole. Thus the impossibility of a perfect human system, perfect human philosophy, perfect human justice et al. Except (and this is the key to the whole enchilada for me) that because we are all of God, we are all perfect. Let that one sink in. Everything that happens is exactly God's plan, by definition. We are the perfection. Each of us as a small piece may hate our part, and our view makes it seem "imperfect" to us (who wants to suffer? and everyone suffers...), but this is it. It's all there is. And if, like me, you are fond of the concept that "In the Beginning, there was God", then that means God created all this. We are all of God. Even Hitler, even Stalin, even Mao. And not one of us can ever, because of the way the system is designed, understand how or why this is so. No wonder life is so confusing! Enjoy it. It's what we've got.
Just one perspective from this very small piece of the whole.
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see, right there, you limit your thoughts with the "god" notion.
"everything" includes "god(s)" - but EVERY-THING is obviously MORE than "god(s)".
else which "god" do you refer to? whose "god"? which one "god" will you, Self, name as the "true god"? because there are MANY "gods" - many men have made their "gods" their "truth" and fought to subjugate others in the name of their "god(s)".
the only obvious Truth is that all "gods" exist as imaginations of men - the Truth is eternal, and that Truth includes all men and their gods - all of them, not any particular "one" of them.
anything that excludes cannot contain the WHOLE TRUTH.
That is why my girl cries when she imagines a dead puppy?
Both are systematically removed by the public 'education' system. I've lived here for over 25 years and am amazed at how mean and stupid people have become. I've been threatened by total strangers on several occasions in the last 8-10 years. I had to put a pistol in one's face before he realized he didn't have the right to follow me into a parking lot and threaten to 'beat my ass'. He was only around 16 or 17, probably still in school. He came within a foot of not graduating at all. Another, I dragged into court for doing the same thing(before Stand Your Ground law). When I moved here, it wasn't this way. People were decent and had sense enough to not go looking for trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSe83qc8Ngg
Agreed.
If not for want that breeds desire
In lieu of war does peace conspire
To open heart, hand and mind
To each their need, to others in kind
For in all does self unite
If reason be to will it right
And stand together over under
Lest our souls be rent and cast asunder
"Temporal" is the key word here.
Saving one's soul is serious business. It has little to nothing to do with a Big Bearded Guy in the Sky. It has nothing to do with theology or what a loud Southern Baptist might say (or rant). I was surprised when I looked into this. It changed my life.
What did Jesus say?
Emmet Fox can tell you...
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Epesians 6:12
This is a 5-star article. Brandon Smith hit a grand slam on this one!
I don't have anything else to add, except, re-read this article and share it with your friends and family.
Excellent read! Thank you!
Gave it 5 stars. This is an excellent thesis on NWO insights, although I might disagree that the NWO absolutely DOES NOT adhere to atheism. Clearly..They are 13th empty chair, Bohiemian Grove, Franklin Sex Scandel Satanists.
P.S. FUCK YOU D.C. We are coming after you.
The top echelons of the conspiracy do believe in a lightbearer entity of sorts where they are offered power in exchange for sacrifice. The atheist ideology is reserved for the technician class of the hierarchy who serve the upper echelon. (Think where does the science crowd get their grants from?) This is so the technicians can't "see" the big picture. They think the universe is just a bunch of data to be collected and they are totally unable to see the control mechanism they are building for their superiors.
The organized religion is for the masses to keep them pacified into submission. The peasant follows "morals" which only continue the rat race perpetual motion machine going. For example a contract is 8-point font, lopsided, and flawed in favor of the bank or issuer, and the religious peasant thinks that defaulting is immoral and they have a "moral obligation" to pay off said debt. Read the comments and debate I had last week on this. The big boys have NO morals, yet you are supposed to follow theirs? That is what organized religion is. The catholic church launders money and steals the life force of young boys through molestation, yet the follower is supposed to be moral and upright. Then in Islam, the royals have pleasure palaces, yet the average follower is supposed to be on a rug burning out in the heat with little to no material items unless they essential to jihad? Religion is designed for peasants to be snookered by elite combines, and their "reward" is something that may not or may exist.
There are schools of thought out there that are in rebellion to the lightbearer, atheism and organized religion. Michael Tsarion is probably the only NWO researcher out there that tackles this dilemma head on. David Icke touches it too, to a certain extent. But the first and foremost is to be aware of the agenda; then to do something about it, one has to analyze SELF before they can even remotely tackle this topic at all.
Do tell us more about this self-proclaimed "Light Bearer" -- who clearly knows shit about Maxwell's Equations or Born & Wolf's OPTICS (the "Optics Bible", as it's called).
Do tell us more about this mutinous First Officer (XO) and his Crew, who were dropped off on this backwater planet -- and where he's been scheming and plotting ever since, to... "Get back home". But to get back home, he has to develop the culture and technology of the glorified apes.
That is the REAL story of your "Light Bearer".
If you need to know anything else, just ask the Captain.
Religion, really?
The American public, (religious fanaticism is much less common in the UK), simply express their insecurities through clinging onto their faith in magical myths in the bible, seemingly wthout learning anything from the actual teachings. (humility, frugality, helping your common man, turning the other cheek, etc.)
Humanists are those who seek to live good lives without religious or superstitious beliefs.
This does not, as the article suggests, require any faith in the non-existance of God. The possibilites that are presented by what science cannot yet explain are magical enough for me.
There is no evidence that there is an interfering Being that listens to prayer, a concept of God which is common in all mainstream monotheist religions.
I of course accept that the very act of 'faith' in a higher Being is very comforting, especially for those that struggle to make sense of their own exisitance and place in the cosmos, and Faith is of course a lot less intellectually challenging than studying philisophy.
For those interested in Humanism I recommend checking out The School of Life website and Youtube channel
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true Self inquiry most often leads to the realise-ation that all Things are named and defined in One's mind, and that One Mind is simply Awareness of this fact, and by realising this thought, you are acknowledging the Mind as creator.
awareness of all "agendas" stills the Mind, and all need to "do something" about the absurb realities believed prior, drops.
free to be, with or without do-ing.
Here's an insight on Zoltan Istvan and his evil mind.
Red Ice Creations (opens a new window).
deliver the wealth of the worlds top 85 wealthiest people to the collective , and they can have my soul
i think the savage goose just layed the endtimes golden egg/new bodhisatva vow. plus 1 anyway.
that weren't know iphone digi glitch interface, i poked it twice. sorry.
although rebel is in human nature
It can be bred out. Just look at Japan.
Hey man, enjoy the new float. Basel III is just 'round the corner. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. BRICS will fall into place nicely behind this.
The devil and these mutha's, one and the same.
More than you suspect
Ebola arrives in India http://www.deccanherald.com/content/442368/man-tests-positive-ebola-delh...
Maybe that's why that Bangalore troll has been so irritable, what with the oozing orifices and all.
smile,,,
Maybe Bangalore can riddle us this. They found it in the guy's jizz.
How many Indians commonly have their jizz tested?
Like WTF?
I have a home jizz test that I use about 2-3X a week. So far the wife hasn't died. However, twice she became infected with these little... I don't know what to call them... COPIES of the two of us. Fortunately, her body fought off the infection in about 9 months both times. But the little copies kept right on going on their own. They still live with us, we named them and we treat them like they're real people.
It's totally weird.
Ah, beer. Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
:) !
NoDebt
Most excellent!
NoDebt, that is good stuff right there. Thanks for the LULZ. Really. Keep it up please. And the testing. Better to be safe.
double double good good :)
Thanks to all, above who enjoyed it. I just read it to my wife who thought it was "not all that funny". Wadda ya gonna do?
G'night all.
Tell her that it was a "man's joke", apologize, and then follow through with mad passionate jizz testing tonight.
Other than that I hope that the Dawg House is not too cold.
mmmm. knuckles said 'double double'.
"..toil and trouble"?
From what I know of Indian proclivities, probably during a routine oral exam.
knukles
Maybe we will be finding out more from India in the coming weeks. India does seem at high risk.
Disclosure: I have never had my jizz tested.
Most men seem to find giving a sample for a semen analysis unpleasant. When I worked graveyards there was always some poor guy walking in at 3 AM hoping to give a sample in relative anonymity. Once I was in the middle of a massive bleeding trauma and one guy showed up. I almost sent him away but he gave me those sad puppy eyes, I shoved him in the bathroom with a specimen container in his hands and went back to cross matching blood.
At 11AM the lab manager called and woke me up at home. Did you put some guy in a bathroom for a semen analysis? Oh crap, I forgot about him! Well, we just pulled him out and he said he was very sorry but he just couldn't fill the cup I gave him.
Miffed;-)
Heheh. Good one!
hark.
don't worry. the injuns are allretty onnitt.
http://greatgameindia.com/ebola-cia-project-codename-mknaomi-hi-tech-ass...
(miffed- so glad you got past your first night of msm eboli updates jitters. it's more likley somewhere between a jim"git-the"willie.s meltdown and a cathrine"slooooow burn" fitts)
(knuckles,dochenrolling bearings.seek.seen.cd. billiam7ai.fuckthenewtylerz.wb.how the fuck are you?)
Volumetrically? May God forbid?
Or was it that he could not give any sample at all?
Yes, he took it as a volumetric requirement and sadly failed to rise up to the challenge. I did wonder if maybe this was a sign his lack of procreation was for good reason or my communication skills needed to be more explicit to that procedure instead of assuming no man would remotely think they should fill a 250 ml specimen container.
Miffed;-)
After being whacked that long it must have fallen off.
He may never procreate again. OMG. Poor fool.
LMAO. Good morning.
Good morning to you too. Spent the night battling some stomach bug. Probable a microbial ISIS seeking revenge on some of my attacks on their brethren. Looks like me, bed and Hedge for today. ;-)
Miffed;-)
I have been up all night too. I was not battling any stomach bug last night. But the last week it has been real fun.
But I will sleep soon. I hope that you are feeling better.
SOUP...Remember soup. No dehydration allowed and you take care of yourself.
Thanks and good night! ;-)
Miffed
microbiologist humor?? I'm so dense
A Microbiologist's idea of foreplay? The tease mount. My favorite T-shirt. Sigh, not too many people got it. I probably should have gone more mainstream so more people could relate.
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken
Miffed;-)
Oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
Ich dachte, du und alle deine Klassenkameraden Mane!
hehe!
I prefer numbers.
No reason to complicate it or overthink it:
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." -- Thomas Jefferson
It gets much more simple:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". - Immanuel Kant
Many consider Kant's postulate to be opposite of JC's Sermon on the Mount, but that's not exactly the case. Kant's golden rule applies to (unprovoked) actions we take against others, while Jesus' words concern our reaction incited by others' deeds against us.
JC was/is just teaching us that two wrongs don't make one right. He should have added that karma is a bitch.
Humans have a capacity to forgive, but in order to be successful in it you have to leap beyond the frog perspective of your own ego...
Coersion is evil, from any source, especially Church and State......
wow, brandom smith spending time on a discussion about faith?
is this a sign financial types have lost their faith in the markets, and so have started seeking faith elsewhere?
You could be right.
I have no faith, confidence, or trust in the Currency or Financial Markets, whatsoever.
(Just how many times have I repeated that line on ZH over the past two years?)
Maybe God Almighty is exactly where your faith needed to have been placed all along.
With honesty, integrity, fidelity and a solid moral foundation present it just follows that we'd not be where we are at currently.
News flash. There is no magic Skydaddy.
Zerohedge seems to like posting intellectual garbage lately. Atheists are hypocrites because they have "faith" there is no afterlife?
That is utter nonsense. Who allows this crap to be posted?
I have "faith" that rainbow colored pigs will not fly across the sky shooting gold coins out of their arse so I save money for retirement.
Does that mean I am a hypocrite if I mock the person who has "faith" that magic pigs will poop my retirement on a flyby? I can't prove they are wrong, so our opinions must be equal.
No, not even close to equal.
This used to be a place for people with a brain capable of independent critical thought. Very sad to see things move to a lower common denominator.
Before you vote me down, I am not an atheist. I am an I-don't-care-ist. Believe whatever you want, just don't be ignorant about it.
Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color.
Very nice!
Agnosticism would be more like baldness. Atheism would be like Magenta or some other artificial dyed color! lol
This article absolutely required independent critical thought to even remotely understand the topic at hand. I could just imagine all of the kneejerking going on as people got through this article.
Questioning both organized religion and atheistic dogma at the same time is as independent critical thought as it gets in this day in age. I don't know what you mean by moving "to a lower common denominator". If you want to see that, that's what ESPN or Faux News is for. You won't get this type of discussion on there at all.
Bright, obnoxious colors to match their personalities (at least, the ones I've met).
I guess it's all relative. I'd say there is nothing more obnoxious that a god botherer who really does believe they are more moral than another god botherer of a different persuasion (let alone more moral than an atheist).
The God Fearing whom I know actually claim that they are sinners and quite flawed and claim that they are no better than anyone else.
They believe themselves to be INFERIOR and that only with God that they stand a chance of completion and salvation.
There are some who proclaim themselves superior, yes, I agree.
But I find that arrogant trait to be endemic amongst the atheists as well.
It is actually humorous when I read some of the utter crap written about Christians by atheists, beliefs supposedly held by "ALL" Christians, when nothing is farther from the truth. The arrogant superior stance is rather entertaining at times.
Wouldn't you HONESTLY agree? (Look at roddy6667's post above...the one that you responded to...)
Yes, TT, I do agree. The problem is there is no true christianity and therefore statements made even by me (especially by me) have to be overarchingly generalised. There's nothing that can be done about this. You can have two christians at each others throats with different interpretations of the bible. This is more comical to me than an atheist who thinks he knows it all.
This is also, anecdotally, one reason I am certain that the concept of god is false because would it not stand to reason that if there REALLY WAS A SUPER CREATOR then we would all have the same ideas, embedded in the fabric of our DNA because this IS THE WAY THE UNIVERSE IS.
But it isn't. We have no idea. The bible is the product of man. You have said yourself, repeatedly, that we are genetically programmed to follow a leader. This is the source of belief in god I think.
I'd be the first to admit that I make statements about christianity that fall into the category you highlight in your post but any statement made about christianity that didn't subscribe to your particular interpretation would, wouldn't it.
I am not and have never made any indication that I know anything about the nature of our existence other than what can be currently be deduced by science. everything we know as a product of science though can be shattered by the next discovery with sufficient evidence and peir review. This, however, is an exciting characteristic of science.
Anyway mate, I don't drink, but I'd buy you a beer any day.
I generally do not drink. I will drink a beer, now and then. But even one 12 oz can of Coors Light, last time I drank, blitzed me.
That is okay. I do like Mountain Dew.
And here I am...responding to two posts at once....I hope you get this post. Sorry for harshness on my response.
Let's look at the example of Noah's Ark which you used in your response below...
I know that some Bible Stories are not to be taken as literal and that they allegories. I also know that the Flood Epic was borrowed from the Babylonians. And as for the people who take the Creation Epic literally, or, the Flood Story, does it harm them? They do not understand. Many do not. That does not mean that the Creator is any less real.
You are correct that I have weitten that we are progranmed to follow a leader. But does that programming happen by accident or was it hardwired for another reason?
Yes the Bible is a product of Man INSPIRED by God....inspired means to be spirit filled. Those whom seek Him out wrote about what they experienced from communion with the creator.
Actually I am not as accepting of contemporary Christianity as it may seem. But I haven't any problem with alternate views as I know that they do not know and that I do not know. When it is CLEAR that it is in contradiction to the written word I may point it out or I may let it pass.
Since there is a Super Creator then it is hardwired in our DNA, not just to follow Him, but also to seek Him out.
If there was no tendency to seek out the Creator then there would not be any religions at all, would there? Religion is endemic in every Human Culture. There have been no atheistic cultures. It is just as interwoven into the DNA memory as it is to follow the herd leader.
I am sorry if I am too harsh, or being harsh with you on the other post. I got a little irritated.
But please read it and answer my questions.
I will do my best to answer any of yours.
Looking forward to my Mountain Dew.
I don;t take anything personally, after all this is fight club :)
So what if harsh words are exchanged because it's just debate. I am the worst offender at losing my cool when debating anyway, so I can hardly talk.
Since there is a Super Creator then it is hardwired in our DNA, not just to follow Him, but also to seek Him out.
Or, as Augustine put it on the first page of his Confessions, "..Thou hast made us for thyself, and our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee."
"If there was no tendency to seek out the Creator then there would not be any religions at all, would there?"
Enjoyed your post, thank you.
With regards to the comment above, the discomfort/fear of the unknown is a strong motivation for the need to have an answer for everything. Applying reason to life (actually giving things reasons) provides us a sense of control in an out-of-control situation.
Religion is defined most simply as a set of beliefs.. a system. People feel disconnected from self at times and seek to reconnect with their whole (define as you wish) and develop/follow systems to do so. Many are also just plain curious as to "why" to help understand more about this wild ride called life. These behaviors are definitive of human nature: seeking and setting persistent beliefs based upon new information, which *ideally* develops our ever-changing perspectives.
When we also recognize how religion has been forbidden as well as imposed, there will always be varied reasons why people choose to follow their paths. I define myself as spiritual.. There is a spirit, a non-physical breath of life, emanating from being that begs my wonder. Must also note, some of the most beautiful spirits I've met have been religious. (and not prejudice to others that choose another way)
"If men had been forbidden to make porridge of camel's dung, they would have done it, saying that they would not have been forbidden to do it unless there had been some good in it." Sufi Proverb
BOTA, you are a fuckwit. An atheist by definition cannot logically have morals as morals can only come from 2 possible sources. Either a theistic entity or human hubris (with atheists favouring hubris).
If a atheist says he is a moral person then he is deluding himself (cognitive dissonance). If there is no theistic entity then man can be no more moral than an animal, a plant, a rock or a pile of vomit (everthing being amoral).
At least theistic people have a chance of getting to Heaven, achieving Nirvana or whatever. Atheists have already lost Pascals Wager and the best they can hope for is a nilhilistic outcome and everything turns to degraded cosmic matter
"BOTA, you are a fuckwit".
No really buddy, what do you think of me? And don't be so obstruse next time.
Just one bit of advice. Maybe don't throw around the word logical too much. So going by your analysis no "moral" person existed prior to the year 0, is that correct?
See, nailed your dumb fucking argument in about 2 seconds.
"If there is no theistic entity then man can be no more moral than an animal, a plant, a rock or a pile of vomit"
Native tribes throughout history will take umbrage to that statement you arrogant piece of shit. I'll give you a pile of vomit. Modern western society that has run roughshod over the entire fucking planet claiming they are holier than thou because they believe in the great invisible grey beared skyman.
Fuck you cunt.
And he is the example of the other side.
Damn it.
Yes I do understand your position. Instead of debate he wishes to attack the person.
Oh man...What can I do?
I suppose this is a particular sticking point I have with theism is the debasement of native tribes who for Millenia lived in harmony with nature. Sure, there are aspects of brutality within native tribes but they survived and prior to western influence/destruction they would have survived for Millenia more. I'm not so sure about us though. I reckon we may be lucky to see another 100 years At the rate we destroying the ecosystem.
What then is the concept of Jesus or God, what meaning does it have against a back drop of tribes with no concept of God who would have survived for thousands more years, while we instead perish, we who supposedly have a direct line to God.
Black is beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GeF7A05zQ8
and organized religion is William Rockefeller's Amazing Hair Tonic.
Atheism is a shaved head.
Brandon is absolutly correct. You atheists require MORE faith than my religious buddies, to beleive this is all just an accident floating in space. LOL thats the biggest leap of faith ever! Sure....let me get this correct... a planet just happens to build all the food, complexity, checks and balances, safety nets ect for an incredible creation just by chance? I bet pigs flying around and pooping coins has much better odds than another planet like this just spontaniously developing in cold dark space... You should be a Care-est, because if your wrong your going to be in a heap of do-do (and it wont be gold coins)
spontaniously
'Nuff said. (the meaning, not the spelling)
Mate, that is so dumb it defies words. You can't conceive that by chance everything is as it is yet you meekly accept the presence of an infinitely complex creator. It's not possible to debate with this level of stupidity. You are putting the horse way before the cart, so far out in front of the cart that it is comical. The earth didn't build anything with intent you numbskull. The Earth just formed and over billions of years biological life adapted to what was already there. For all we know there may be planets with sulphuric acid oceans and methan atmosphere brimming with life.
Oh my goodness. You wonder why atheists are often criticized for being arrogant. Just by existing with a brain I we will be arrogant, by definition, when faced with infantile arguments like these.
You believe alll the animals lined up by two's on Noahs ark don't you?
visualize skittle shitting unicorns beeeahtchhhes!
Why does the universe exist??
I DON'T KNOW.
Were you really expecting any other answer?
Edit: Just had a flash. God created it because his cable went out.
"why does the universe exist?"
try this on for size:
Consciousness experiencing itSelf.
+
You Are That (Consciousness)
=
As Are We All
keep asking your above question, sincerely. answers do arrive, if those answers are not discarded. absolute Truth includes everything, excludes nothing.
And...You demonstrate it...
See my post above.
Do you understand odds?
Even Roger Penrose states that the chance that the Universe could manifest (one without life) is an amazing 1 in 10125.
I like science. I only studied Physics and Math. But I am just a mediocre scientist.
Do you know what an "Order of Magnitude" is?
What is a Logarithm?
Do you understand Math?
In any Engineering Analysis there is a concept that is defined as an Absurdity. An Absurdity is an event so rare, like, for instance, that a vaccuum can occur in a localized section of a pressurized room randomly (which can happen and is extremely unlikely), that the event is not even worthy of consideration....like that localized vaccuum.
An Absurdity is defined Mathematically as 1 in 1050. Nobody will consider that event to be possible.
So here is a Math Question for you.
If Roger Penrose's calculations of the odds of a chance manifestation of the Universe is 1 in 10125...
and if an absurdity is defined as 1 in 1050
then how many Orders of Magnitude more Absurd is the existence of the entire Physical Universe?
THIS IS A MATH QUESTION. Please answer it.
With that answer is that not pretty damned absurd to believe that the Universe is a chance event?
And if it did not happen by chance then it happened by design. Thus you must, by all logic, by all Mathematical reasoning, must infer a Designer.
And even if you go to the argument of "The Froth", where there is Infinite Universes, and WHICH HAS NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, just where the "The Froth" originate?
If "The Froth" has always been then it is just as great of a leap of faith as to say that God has always been.
You just name your God, "The Froth"
And Brandon Smith is correct that you are blind to your own hupocrisy.
a chance manifestation of the Universe is 1 in 10125
Math?? If I remember correctly, the number of particles in the entire observable Universe has been estimated to be 1080.
How did this guy then pull 10125 out of his ass, estimating a thing that we must assume is still partially unobservable to us?
Well Dr. Roger Penrose is a remarkable Physicist. He is probably the greatest late 20th Century mind. (He is Stephen Hawking's silent partner, after all...)
The details of his field analysis are published in his book, "The Emperor's New Mind", Roger Penrose, 1989
He wrote:
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 10123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.
So I was wrong in my figure. It is actually 1 in 10123. My memory failed me..I had a Brain Fart. Missed it by Two Orders of Magnitude...damn it.
Logarithm: the number you have to raise another number to, to get another number. Yes, anyway, I understand mathematics and logarithms to an extent. The field is so vastly complicated that my knowledge is vanishingly small. I don't even understand why prime numbers exist without a defining algorithm so how well can I really understand numbers let alone the more complex field of maths.
"then how many Orders of Magnitude more Absurd is the existence of the entire Physical Universe?"
Based on the numbers you provided that would be 75 orders of magnitude more absurd.
Now, Roger Penrose. One scientist. One man whose calculatrions define the chance as 1 in 10 raised to power of 125.
Tall Tom - THIS IS NOT SCIENCE. This is not how science works. Where is the peir review of his calculation. Where is the experimental evidence to support this calculation. I can guarantee you this. If there was not hard evidence of time dilation and the gravitational effects on photons then Einsteins special or general theory of relativity would still be just that - conjecture. Even the great Einstein was not exempt from the scientific method.
Let's say for arguments sake that through some freaking miracle of intuition Penrose was right. Now given we don't know and can never know the origin of the universe we have to consider that there may have been ten raised to the power of 125 instances of universes popping up somewhere and one of those universes happened to have the right initial conditions.
You cannot side step this possibility. Maybe there have been a trillion raised to a trillion instances where a universe has popped into existence and that there may be trillions of universes with initial conditions conducive to life. We're just talking complete shit at this point though.
My stance is not that I am right, but that theism is wrong. There is no personal god, the univesre was not designed because it results in a reductio ad absurdem as to what designed the designer. That's all I am saying.
Also you did mention that humans throughout history have sought a god or believed in a god as a leader. My conjecture is that this will occur in any placental mammal of a higher consciousness. As we emerge from something (being a parent) the parent is literally a god to the child, I mean literally. We are made by the parent, We pyschologically replace the parent in our own adulthood with a cosmic parent. I believe this is nothing more than a pyschological manifestation.
One question TT.
Let's say you are correct and there is a creator.
Why is it imperative to worship this creator? Why is this a predicate? Why do you think an infinitely powerful creator needs our veneration? If you were infinitely powerful why on earth would you fuck around with humans to start with and then to cap it off need to be liked by us? Serious questions.
Thanks for the dialogue.
Hey! If you're going to explain Interstellar then at least preface it with SPOILER ALERT
Had no idea. What bit of that post is a spoiler for Interstellar. I actually started to read the review on it 2 days ago and it seemed to be about the emotional turmoil between a scientist and his daughter. I didn't continue reading the review.
That may be an interesting book.
It was peer reviewed. Nobody would let Penrose, a Physicist of stature, get away with that.
A logarithim is an exponent. Nothing more...nothing less. You are correct in your definition.
(I was wrong when I quoted him from memory. It is actually 10-123.)
The point that I was making is that a chance manifestatation of the Physical Universe is 1073 times as unlikely as an Absurdity. And if an Absurdity is pretty unlikely then that is substantially more unlikely as an Absurdity. If it did not happen by chance then it was a designed manifestation.
Curiously there are Physicists who believe that this is one large Holographic Simulation.
In fact they are running simulations with Supercomputers using those 20 Universal Constants to see if they get similar results. And if they do then they can infer that this whole Universe is a Computer Simulation as well. The Universe is digital and what appears as analog is just illusion. And it is definitely Holographic.
The signature of the Big Bang is the Planck Black Body Energy curve. That is within every energy wavicle in the Universe.
Okay. Now to address your questions...
Why is it imperative to worship this Creator? He desires it from that which is written.
You do have children, right? Children actually worship their parents. Daddy can do no wrong. In fact when Daddy does something wrong the child will internalize it and believe himself to be at fault.
The Spiritual Man calls the creator the Heavenly Father. Of course in JudeoChristianity this Heavenly Father is a Paternal Figure. From what that faith demands is that there is a worship of the paternal figure.
Now Jesus taught this quite a bit different. The Jews worshiped their God because they felt that they had to. They did not do it of their own Free Will. Jesus taught that the faithful would do things out of the desire to please the Heavenly Father rather than be compelled to do them by force. Of course the Jews had Jesus crucified as He disturbed the Elitist power structure.
I do not worship because it is commanded. I do that out of a desire to please my Heavenly Father.
Now the Elumna Elish, the Creation Epic, said that Man was made in God's image. But the image of God does not resemble this shell we occupy during the temporary time in which we are here.
As God is Light so are we also Light. Light is ENERGY after all. And as you know energy cannot be neither be created or destroyed but only transformed. And as I wrote previously that the Universe is holographic then every single one of us, made of Mass, which is Energy slowed down, also has that image....
Well I am certain that I did not answer your question completely. I am not even certain that I can...
So off to the next question.
I do not believe that an Omnipotent Creator need our veneration. But I do believe that he desires a willing communion with us. Again if you have had children you understand this desire that you want a willing communion with them.
Think about that Albatross. Wasn't that cool to be able to commune with that wonderful creature. You shared your thoughts and your feelings with it. You are a superior life form to it and much, much more complex in so many ways. And yet you got a thrill (so would I have a thrill) by it landing on your arm and being able to share the moment.
God is like that with His creation which answers your last question as well.
I hope that I did well.
Well, you put a lot of effort into trying to understand instead of just quoting scripture. This I respect.
I don't and probably never will be able to understand your perspective. I actually don't consider myself superior to any creature, it doesn't enter into my sphere of consiousness. I have a pet lorikeet that we rescued. It had a broken wing, was at the point of starvation and listless and probably only had a few hours left to live. We crop fed it over several weeks as she eked out her survival. She eventually flourished into a healthy and beautiful animal. I cannot in all honesty say for a moment I am or anything is superior to this creature. She exudes joy at life in a manner a human would be hard pressed to emulate. My guess is she doesn't know anything about god. We have re-united baby ring tail possums with their mother and the level of affaction and joy is no less than that a human mother would feel for her child. I can't help but think sometimnes that humans are actually a perversion on life, not an embodiment of it. Animals are 100% honest. Humans are complicated and self serving and destructive. Not all humans of course but our tendency is certainly in that direction.
It also depends on what level we define superior. If communicating via written word then it could be said that I am superior. But flying for months on end on the wing then indeed the albatross is more superior.
I'd love to know what part of the brain gives rise to belief, specifically theistic belief.
Just prior to the point of the big bang there is an infinite number of possibilities, pretty cool really.
Ask him who created god.
What is South of the South Pole?
That is just as meaningless as the question which you just asked.
I understand that you cannot conceptualize timelessness.
Do you understand what Light is?
Do you understand the Lorentz Transform?
Did you know that at Light Speed that you can be everywhere at once and that you travel absolutely no distance and it takes absolutely no time to arrive? You can not only exist at any point instantaneously but exist at all points in the Space-Time Continuum instantaneously.
Yes the "magic" of Einstien's Special Relativity Laws are at work at Light Speed.
Isn't it interesting that the ancient Greeks whom quilled that text on vellium somehow, 1900 years before Einstien, knew that to descibe God as Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient must describe Him as Light as that is the only Physical Entity withsuch qualities?
When they quilled "God is the Light and in Him there is no darkeness.", they just must have had a complete understanding of the Laws of Special Relativity, right?
Or was it just a lucky guess?
Or, did some entity tell them that?
How could they be prescient of that Empirical fact?
Lots of words. No content.
If a man can look at the miracle of life, and not believe, then he is blind, and, therefore, unable to see the miracle of life eternal.
The very stones of archeology “cry out” to verify the historicity of the Bible; in the Old Testament alone two thousand predictive prophecies, incredibly specific and detailed, already have been fulfilled. In all the writings of Buddha, Confucius, and Lao, you will not find a single example of predicted prophecy. In the Koran there is only one—a self-fulfilling prophecy that Mohammad himself would return to Mecca.
Is there a God or not? That questions eclipses all others. So much so that Mortimer Adler states in the Great Ideas Syntopicon, the study guide for the Great Books series - a collection of the combined wisdom of Western civilization form the time of Thales to the present -- that “With the exception of certain mathematicians and physicists, all authors of the Great Books are represented in the chapter on God.”
The reason is obvious. All consequences for thought and action follow the affirmation or denial of God.
“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity; there is none that doeth good.” – Psalm 53:1
America’s foundation and greatness was built upon her Founders’ belief in God. Today, that foundation has crumbled and the nation upon which God shed his grace is toppling.
What must God be thinking about America today, this broken, God-forsaken, leaderless, violent land?
“If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. – 2 Chronicles 7:14
The choice is ours.,
"in the Old Testament alone two thousand predictive prophecies, incredibly specific and detailed, already have been fulfilled"
Right, and you don't reference a single one.
You know why?
Because there are none.
You have to read it to see what's in it.
NP
As a starter, consider the prophecies concerning Tyre and Sidon, two great cities on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean. The OT prophet declared Tyre would be destroyed and never rebuilt:
“And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God…. And they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water…. And I will make thee like the top of a rock…and thou shalt be built no more for I the Lord have spoken it.” – Ezek. 26:4-5, 12-14
Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon laid siege to the city a few years after the prophecy. Alexander the Great, centuries later, gave the order to “tear down the walls of Tyre [that had lain in ruins for 250 years], take the timbers and the stone, the rubble and the logs, and cast them into the sea.” Alexander’s army, during his siege of the dominant Persian Empire, scraped the city and made her like "the top of a rock."
As for Sidon, the inhabitants were decimated as Ezekiel prophesied, but the city continued (Ezek. 28:21-23).
There are more than one hundred specific prophecies concerning Babylon alone, all fulfilled.
The great scholar, Sir Frederic Kenyon of the British Museum verifies that archaeology confirms the Scripture: “It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference”; not in Palestine, Assyria, Babylonia, Egypt or wherever.
“The stones cry out” the authenticity of the Bible.
Ninety percent of all astronomers today believe in God, having thoroughly examined “the firmament [that] sheweth his handiwork” (Ps. 19:1) -- the firmament, as astronomer Sir James Jeans described it as “one gigantic thought of a great mathematician."
And lastly, there are the fulfilled prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the birth and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
Surely, as unbeliever, W.O. Saunders, expressed in the American Magazine, the unbeliever has little charity to offer man: “I would like to introduce you to one of the lonesomest and unhappiest individuals on earth. I am talking about the man who does not believe in God. I can introduce you to such a man because I myself am one… You will be surprised to learn that the agnostic envies your faith in God, your settled belief in a heaven after life, and your blessed assurance that you will meet your loved ones in an afterlife where they will be neither sadness nor pain. He would give anything to be able to embrace that faith and be comforted by it. For him there is only the grave and the persistence of matter…”
He quotes the bible as proof that god exists. LOL. What a maroon.
100 Trools identified by the IP network, each with 10-15 different names across the United.
All religiously paid by your tax, their government.
I think it very funny.
The keyboard is the window to the soul.
hehe.
Prove it.
< 2 + 2 = 4 We have been at war with both Eurasia and Eastasia. The choco ration was just decreased. I like big boobs.
< 2 + 2 = 5 We have always been at war with Eurasia. The choco ration has been increased. I love big brother. Double plus good!
Mustafa thinks you're quoting the wrong story. Huxley had more to say about scientific dictatorships {unbeatable) (and unbearable).
Resounding YUP.
This is horseshit.
Edit: So the author here is arguing that the world is controlled by atheist plato worshippers? WTF?
News flash, the world is run by people who love money. And you know what? They don't want to save you or think that they know what's best for you, they hate you.
Two things: 1) No one is coming to save us, and 2) saying that they'll burn in hell merely relieves you of the duty of actually bringing them hell.
Once again, religion fools you, and fools you into thinking that there will be justice served outside of your own hands.
It's designed that way to keep people in control. The oligarchs don't want their serfs rising up and doing anything to stop them.
religion, delayed gratification, work hard & obey all rules imposed on you.
pie in the sky when you die.
damn, that's a near perfect recipe for Rulerships, hmm.
I refuse to live under any form of theocracy, whether religious or scientific. The idea that we must choose between one or the other is a farce — a controlled debate.
amen
Can souls be securitized and re-hypothecated? If so then peak soul is comin. Better sell yours while you still can