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Open The Floodgates: Chinese Inquiries On US Real Estate Soar 35% After Easing Of Visa Rules

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

In a nation in which 1 out of every 3 homes is unaffordable, you’d think the primary goal of public policy wouldn’t be to ensure real estate becomes even more out of reach for the average citizen. However, we live in a country in which policy isn’t being driven by logic and what’s in the best interest of “the people,” rather, we live in an neo-feudalistic society in which policy is being driven by what is best for a handful of white-collar criminals.

It’s bad enough that American financial oligarchs have leveraged free money polices of the Federal Reserve to purchase tens of billions of dollars in real estate only to rent it back to people who were kicked out of their homes during the 2008 crisis, but the government is now going out of its way to allow Chinese (and other foreign criminals) to launder money via U.S. property.

In case you aren’t up to speed on this issue, I suggest reading the following:

Welcome to Arcadia – The California Suburb Where Wealthy Chinese Criminals are Building Mansions to Stash Cash

Chinese Purchases of U.S. Real Estate Jump 72% as The Bank of China Facilitates Money Laundering

Zillow Opens the Floodgates to Chinese Buyers in Order to Keep Housing Bubble 2.0 Inflated

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Apparently, the level of ill-gotten funds flowing into U.S. real estate still hasn’t reached the level desired by policy makers. As such, China and the U.S. have extended the terms of multiple entry short-term tourist and business visas to 10 years from one year. Reuters reports the result has been a 35% jump in Chinese interest:

(Reuters) – Chinese inquiries about real estate investment in the United States surged 35 percent this week after the two countries agreed to extend the terms of short-term visas, China’s top international property portal said on Friday.

 

The White House announced this week that both countries have extended the terms of multiple entry short-term tourist and business visas to 10 years from one year. Student visas were extended to five years from one year.

 

The relaxation on student visas could have a bigger impact than the other two, said Juwai.com, an online property marketplace that refers potential Chinese buyers to overseas agents. It said there were twice the number of inquiries about student visas compared to tourist and business visas.

Millennials had better fluff up that basement couch.

 

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Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:15 | 5466646 falak pema
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world Oligarchy is now seemless. Buy in Potugal, buy in US, buy in London town. Money has to circulate.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:21 | 5466676 kaiserhoff
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Not all rich Chinese are criminals,

  but that's the way to bet.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:26 | 5466686 hedgeless_horseman
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Thousands of rich Chinese property buyers invading the US is probably better than millions of horny Chinese paratroopers.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:32 | 5466735 The Most Intere...
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IDC what anyone says.  They all look alike.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:35 | 5466768 kaiserhoff
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All cats are grey in the dark.

  (Best not to use that line around your gf:))

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:53 | 5466889 underman
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Arcadia, CA = Spitting capital of USA

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:06 | 5466970 pods
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I can't wait:

"What are you fish heads looking at!!!!"

You would think the Chinese would be smarter than try to hide money in a nation they have been ripping off for years.

I mean, we are enemies even if bullets aren't flying yet.  (Well, except for that missile fired off of LA.)

pods

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:09 | 5467260 Never One Roach
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China can keep their paratroopers … just send over the young nubile [pretty] Chinese women.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 19:59 | 5467636 post turtle saver
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I read that as "Shitting capital of USA"

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:32 | 5466739 10mm
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That days coming,just not yet.China made it clear after Sandy Hook,Americans should be disarmed.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:00 | 5466937 max2205
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Buy mine....it speaks Chinese

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:34 | 5466750 kaiserhoff
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Let them buy it all.

We can always go third world on their asses, and repatriate everything.

If its good for the goose...

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:08 | 5466975 pods
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That's what I don't get. We are basically enemies who haven't started fighting yet.  

pods

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:34 | 5467111 The Wizard
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Do you think these rich Chinese will take advantage of our ability to own firearms?

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:26 | 5467324 10mm
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Not the rich ones buying real estate, but the one's buying company's, agricultural and live stock and soon the country.

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:39 | 5466792 DarkLordofSadNews
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In Melbourne  Aus  we are building skyscrappers to flip to chinese ..

saddest fact is that  it is still cheaper to them than buying in china  

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 22:21 | 5468041 DarkLordofSadNews
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FTA -How china won without firing a shot...

Xi's address to australians he said they would be demcracy in 50 years 

Imagine a full blown chines democracy with a value system comparable to western culture(that is all west have right now)

Implications are mind boggling ..

You will see a reduction in western standards of living...

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:17 | 5466660 10mm
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They hold the bonds,so it's a deal. Just sayin.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:16 | 5466661 tarabel
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Funny how everyone wants out of China, or at least their money and their oh-so-precious sons.

The foot voters are all coming to America.

The mouth voters are all moving to China. Or so they claim.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:46 | 5466833 angel_of_joy
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It's called diversification. Some would argue it's an investment strategy. The question is, how many of those travelling Chinese ask for American citizenship ? Soon enough they would start to realize that they only jumped from the frying pan into the fire...

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:31 | 5467088 tarabel
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The word you are actually looking for is "hedge", not investment.

As per the question of citizenship, the Chinese government keeps a very tight rein on overseas citizens to prevent them from straying off the reservation--particularly those who have assets and relatives at risk back home.

But feel free to jump into the frying pan, if you are so inclined.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:17 | 5466662 Jonathan Equine...
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I, for one, will welcome our new Han overlords.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:23 | 5467056 l8apex
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And I welcome our new sweet and sour pork and Peking duck overlords.  Mmm...

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:20 | 5467296 Cathartes Aura
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already got yer "sour pork" as the Chinese bought out Smithfields

Shuanghui International Holdings Ltd. has agreed to buy Smithfield Foods Inc. for approximately $4.72 billion, the largest acquisition of a U.S. company by a Chinese company.

whereupon almost immediately, a "flu" affected the "pork". . .

The sudden and widespread appearance of a swine virus deadly to young pigs - one never before seen in North America - is raising questions about the bio-security shield designed to protect the U.S. food supply.

Though previously seen in parts of Asia and Europe, the virus now has spread into five leading hog-raising U.S. states. How it arrived in the United States remains a mystery.

and now?  apparently "chikken" is getting sent to China for "processing" before being shipped back to amrka?  and it's so CHEEP.

 

seriously, these invisible border fantasies need updating. . .

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:18 | 5466665 Bell's 2 hearted
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i wouldn't worry 

 

Mel Watt - FHFA - in the process of lowering downpayment for fannie and freddie to 3% to 5%

 

another sh!t sandwich for US taxpayer down the road

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:17 | 5466666 Kaiser Sousa
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if u aint seen the movie "Looper" i suggest the following for all u american muppets out ther:
1) learn how to say "more crumbs please" in Mandarin.
2) Buy all the Silver and Gold u can afford.

ps: how have u enjoyed the post Fed bullshit statement action in the phony paper markets of Silver and Gold??

http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:18 | 5466669 Amish Hacker
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A marriage made in heaven: corrupt Chinese oligarchs desperate to move stolen assets offshore have teamed up with corrupt American oligarchs desperate to goose next month's housing numbers.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:25 | 5466682 10mm
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And when i seen GS involved in the Shanghi Exchange I knew it was Kaputski.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:22 | 5466692 Kaiser Sousa
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dow green now...

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:29 | 5466697 ebworthen
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We've been sold out of productive capacity and career employment, now the country itself is up for sale.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:24 | 5466699 MsCreant
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Much of the money they dump here in real estate will be lost, it would seem to me.

They may inflate values at first, but many of the locations they like have water issues looming on the horizon. And our economy is in the shitter and getting worse. One would think South America would be the ticket, not US.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:30 | 5466726 Pool Shark
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Not to mention that when the real financial crisis hits and states are looking for sources of 'revenue;' it will be very difficult to hide a house...

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:31 | 5466728 The Most Intere...
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1) In steps the government with guaranteed 100 year mortgages so "the people" can afford a home.  2)Massive download to the common folk.  3)THEN, the market will crash...

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:58 | 5466919 SWRichmond
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are you old enough to remember the Japanese real estate bubble here when Japanese we're buying up American properties? we did the same thing to them.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 20:10 | 5467675 saltedGold
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The Nikkei was like 40,000 and Japanese were buying Hawaii by the island. Now they have nothing.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:06 | 5467253 Ariadne
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First it will put everyone into serfdom, just like Walmart wiped out local businesses. Its not about profit, its economic warfare - attrition. Pump & dump & scrape.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:45 | 5467397 Dinero D. Profit
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In Vancouver the Chinese have a presence of 40 pissent.

Most people are fine with it. Main Street is happy. RE prices are way up. The Chinese kids in school raise the bar.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:24 | 5466703 p00k1e
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Poor people in Detroit love the idea of Mexican and Chinese immigrants coming in to the city.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:28 | 5466711 InflammatoryResponse
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of course they do, more people to steal from.

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:28 | 5466713 Theta_Burn
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I've a condo in Myrtle Bch, back door leads right onto an awesome golf course

FOR SALE

Gold, silver or fiat any/all accepted....

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:29 | 5466719 Rainman
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Great news! .... Amurika needs moar Commies ... !!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:33 | 5466731 Jonathan Equine...
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Congress Fails to Pass US-Israel Visa Waiver Bill ...

but

US Senate elevates Israel's status as 'major strategic partner'

 

China is at least buying with proceeds of sales of goods and services.  The Israel Lobby and Israel use US taxpayer money to lobby for more free money and goodies to Israel.

 

I await Krieger's article on the absolute ass-fucking trade imbalance between the US and Israel.  He can start by reviewing the pro-Israel, anti-american deals engendered by dual citizen and 2nd in charge at the Fed, Stan "3 passport" Fischer.

Stanley Fischer: AIPAC's Fed Candidate on Iran Warpath

 

Fischer has not only been an ardent supporter of Israel, his professional efforts began when he took sabbatical leave to Israel in 1972 and 1976-1977.  He was a visiting scholar at the Bank of Israel in 1980.  More importantly for Israel, Stanley Fischer won an appointment to the Reagan administration's U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Discussion Group that dealt with Israel's 1984-1985 economic crisis.  In October of 1984, Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres arrived in Washington asking an initially reluctant Reagan Administration for an additional $1.5 billion in U.S. emergency funding—over and above the already-promised aid $5.6 billion aid package.[i]  The help amounted to U.S. taxpayers funding each Israeli citizen $1,650.  Another key component of the plan called for a largely unilateral lowering of U.S. tariffs and trade barriers to Israel, a program initially called "Duty Free Treatment for U.S. Imports from Israel" but later repackaged and sold as America's first "free trade" agreement. 

 

Over time the FTA reversed a previously balanced U.S.-Israel trading relationship for one that has produced a cumulative deficit to the U.S. that passed $100 billion in 2013.  Seventy American industry groups opposed to the give-away in 1984 were disenfranchised when Israeli Economics Minister Dan Halpern and AIPAC illegally obtained a classified compendium of their industry, market and trade secrets to use against them in lobbying and public relations.  An FBI espionage and theft of government property investigation was quashed before it could narrow in on those inside the U.S. government who delivered the secrets to Halpern.

The U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Discussion Group fundamentally transformed U.S. aid to Israel forever.  Before the Reagan administration, most U.S. aid to Israel took the form of loans that had to be repaid with interest.  After the input of Fischer's team, subsequent U.S. aid was delivered in the form of outright grants paid directly from the U.S. Treasury—never to be repaid or conditioned when Israel took actions the U.S. opposed.

 

 Like many of Fischer's later IMF austerity programs, the Joint Discussion Group initially announced that strings attached to the aid would make it temporary.  Secretary of State George Shultz insisted during a 1985 address to AIPAC that "Israel must pull itself out of its present economic trauma . . . . No one can do it for them . . .our help will be of little avail if Israel does not take the necessary steps to cut government spending, improve productivity, open up its economy and strengthen the mechanisms of economic policy. Israel and its government must make the hard decisions." [ii]  Shultz wanted to make the huge American cash transfer conditional on major Israeli economic reforms, but intense AIPAC lobbying in Congress threatened to make the State Department influence irrelevant. 

 

In the end, Congress delivered aid without Israeli sacrifices, such as selling off bloated state-owned industries and spending belt-tightening.  The proposed privatization of $5 billion in state enterprises threatened too much bureaucratic "turf" and too many jobs, so Israel put them on hold.  Fischer apologetically characterized the Likud years as a "wasted opportunity by a government that should have known better."[iii]  Not until 1996 were Fischer's proscribed economic remedies adopted by American neoconservative consultants to Benjamin Netanyahu as minor points in the "Clean Break" manifesto for Israeli regional hegemony. They remain among the few unimplemented tasks in a plan that called for military action against Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.

 

Despite the absence of any real economic reforms that would take Israel off the American taxpayer dole, Fischer co-wrote a blustering 1986 article for the Wall Street Journal called "Israel Has Made Aid Work" that AIPAC circulated widely as an official memorandum of its achievements.  "Israel is the largest single recipient of economic aid from the U.S.  This is partly because the economic stability of Israel is uncertain and is important to U.S. national interests.  Therefore a report on the progress of the Israeli economy is relevant to policy decisions to be made here."  Fischer never bothered to substantiate his premise, that U.S. national interests were somehow served by the bailout or that any aid given to Israel produced tangible benefits.  Instead Fischer delivered a fusillade of dry and all but unreadable statistics about Israel's temporary economic performance.  Issues of long-term importance to most Americans, such as returning U.S. aid to the traditional format of loans to be repaid and the likely impact of the FTA on U.S. jobs went unaddressed by Fischer. 

 

Fischer's core achievement—that the transformation of aid from loans to outright taxpayer give-aways—has been unchanged since 1986.  The premises behind this ever-increasing entitlement and one-sided FTA performance are likewise never reexamined by Congress—despite the fact that a majority of polled Americans have come to oppose aid increases to Israel.  Fischer's rare admonitions that Israel be held to account, unlike the economies he transformed through biting IMF austerity programs, have remained nothing more than lip service.

At the end of 2004 Israel's U.N. ambassador recruited Fischer to become the head of Israel's central bank, asking, "Why not be our governor?"[iv]  Fischer accepted and initially provided endless amusement to reporters by insisting on speaking Hebrew during press conferences and refusing to speak English.

 


Washington Post Zionists Fret About US Losing Power, CIA ... Dual Citizenship — Loyal to Whom? | Goyim Gazette
Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:32 | 5466733 BoingBoing
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This influx of investment money by overseas multimillionaires has already fucked the average person in London.

Just today the papers announced house prices have risen a further 12% YoY to reach an unbelievable £500,000 average - about 20x the average income. These are not individual houses in the US sense but 2 or 3-bed apartments.

But heaven forbid we try to ensure the Russian, Chinese and Arab owners actually live in the properties they're purchasing.

My 2 cents? Our government needs to grow some balls and stop catering to the 0.1% over the 99.9% - only allow people who've lived in the country for at least 3 years to buy land here.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:48 | 5466847 therover
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But our government only consists of the 0.1%.  Got a Chinamans chance in hell (pun intended), to have it start catering to the 99.9%.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:32 | 5466736 i_call_you_my_base
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I'm sure first-time buyers in those areas are really happy about that.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:32 | 5466740 disabledvet
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When you can't grow the American economy grow your personal one.

Move along....

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:35 | 5466755 Lea
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Don't the Chinese hold a huge part of the American debt? If so, what stops them from exchanging their fiat dollars for real assets, like houses and land, etc, in the USA?

That's what I would do. Dollars might be ok, but real goods that can't crash are way better.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:57 | 5466920 oddjob
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Years and years of buying fucking garbage at Wal Mart finally paying off, for them.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:35 | 5466762 Catullus
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Re-importing inflation.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:36 | 5466766 Baby Eating Dingo22
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Sounds like college tuition about to get goosed as well

You'd better have a real yen if want that degree

 

The relaxation on student visas could have a bigger impact than the other two, said Juwai.com, an online property marketplace that refers potential Chinese buyers to overseas agents. It said there were twice the number of inquiries about student visas compared to tourist and business visas

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 22:01 | 5467977 Bananamerican
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University of California poised to hike tuition (5% for each of next 5 years) as regents, Gov. Brown battle

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-raises-tuition-20141119-s...

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:39 | 5466787 Baby Eating Dingo22
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This may not be a bad thing at all

Once we lure them in, we tax the shit out of them and place liens when they fail to pay

WELCOME TO AMERICA!!!

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 20:21 | 5467711 The_Prisoner
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More likely the US will follow Australia's example and tax the sale of foreign owned property back to residents. That way it doesn't spook the foreign cash inflow, and still squeeze the populace a bit tighter.

Only a absolute mole would enter the property game now.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:47 | 5466838 sandhillexit
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wow, 10 years?  MEastern developer in our neighborhood keeps putting up boarding houses disguised as single family homes.  4000 sq ft house on a 5000 sq ft lot, new construction.  they must have good feng shui.  Planning dept is clueless.  weird vans full of 30-year-olds come and go.   They seems to like lace curtains.  

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:47 | 5466840 Seasmoke
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Like sitting Peking Ducks. 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:48 | 5466858 kchrisc
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The Zionist owners of the DC US are just about finished milking it for all its worth, and are now selling off the remnants to new masters, China.

An American, not US subject.

 

But then their is a nuclear twist coming.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:55 | 5466906 p00k1e
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You are correct.  Most people love the dual citizens more than their neighbors.  

Not to mention once a population tipping point is reached, the Chinese will reject the dollar on these shores and use their Yuan.  

“We don’t take that here, go exchange for real currency.”  

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:52 | 5467201 paddyirishman
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article posted half a hour ago always a kike hasbara troll ready to downvote anyone who critizes their nazi ways as soon as the first few comments are posted.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:48 | 5466862 Seasmoke
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Yes. Thomas Jefferson I now understand what you were talking about. 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 16:54 | 5466896 starman
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What is America?  The biggest fema camp on earth!  

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:18 | 5467030 Consuelo
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Igor Panarin...?

 

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:21 | 5467050 Consuelo
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Gotta love the art of war.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:26 | 5467059 22winmag
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After the debt jubilee and the mass arrests of the bankers and politicians, we've got to kick these foreign fiat real estate carpetbaggers out of our country.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:27 | 5467075 mikelongisland
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When totalitarian states find weaknesses in their natural Enemies, they take advantage of them.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:03 | 5467245 Ariadne
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Free trade agreements are murder, descent to slavery. Secret agreements are unconstitutional and not binding. XOs are unconstitutional and not binding. Cowardly and ignorant pigs and the threat of the use of criminal force with impunity is what this global regime is based on.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:45 | 5467167 smackdog
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They'd do anything to increase the demand because so many public pensions hold real estate.  So they need to sell us out so pensioners can get their 8.5% cost of living adjustment adjustment every year.  This is also one of the insentives to goose the stock market.  It's all about the rich, the government continuing to overspend and the pensioners.  They don't give a crap about anything else.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 17:50 | 5467187 william114085
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There has always been an "investor visa" available to foreigners who want to open a business in the US.   Also, the US isn't the only place trying to attract real estate investors.  It's happening all over Europe...Malta, Greece, Latvia, Portual, Spain, and a few other EU countries offer residency visas to foreigners who buy property.   So what?.....it's business.  Now we know how people in other nations with nice coastlines feel when Americans come in and buy up their beach front properties. 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:14 | 5467280 Never One Roach
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Soon USA will overtake the City of London and HK as the #1 Money Laundering Center for foreigners.  I must admit the Chinese who have moved in my area are a breath of fresh air .. mow their lawns, mind their own business and work hard. I am not complaining.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:32 | 5467346 malek
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 ill-gotten funds

Hmm, blatant propaganda is acceptable if it's for a good purpose?

Just like the psychopaths who argued the Cyprus bail-ins were justified because almost exclusively Russian oligarch money was affected.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 18:58 | 5467439 fibonacci's claus
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tang chow bing pan mow.  cling pang dong foo ching ding dong pong fang yin dang.

don't forget to always knock.

three times

 

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 19:33 | 5467555 Notsobadwlad
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I like China ... but only because I am a manufacturing guy at heart. It is alive with manufacturing and engineering. Chinese are Ok too for the most part (IMO, except for the pushy old ladies) as long as you expect them to be what they are and not be like you.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 20:54 | 5467806 bid the soldier...
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The question is, when the shit hits the fan, which would you rather have?

 

2 trillion dollars in $100 dollar bills or 2 trillion dollars worth of real estate?

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 22:43 | 5468122 AdvancingTime
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I have gone with the real estate because I no longer think deflation is where we are heading. Real estate is at least "real". A lot will depend from which direction shit hits the fan.  For a while I was one of the people concerned we would see the world tumble into a massive deflationary cycle as debts went unpaided and credit collapsed.

Now I have come to think inflation is getting closer every day. This would mean the "major deflationary period" is mostly behind us and it has not been disinflation as much as inflation being kept in check because of several factors, including where the money flowed, weak demand, dropping velocity of money, and the onetime benefit of lower interest rates.

Before you discount the possibility that we will move directly from where we are into stagflation then hyperinflation please consider that hyperinflation paves the way for governments and those in power to make a transition to a replacement currency and a reset of the whole system.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/deflation-i-think-not.html

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 00:32 | 5468456 bid the soldier...
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I hope you don't mind if I play Devil's Advocate with your statement?

we will (NOT) move directly from where we are into stagflation then hyperinflation please consider that hyperinflation paves the way for governments and those in power to make a transition to a replacement currency and a reset of the whole system.

 

If you ask me, the financial crisis is over.  Maybe not for the small and not so small investors, smallish institutions, etc, etc.  But the big banks have been saved.  And nations are only as strong as their military and their banks.  In the last 6 years many a mortgage holder was thrown under the bus to save the banks, and thereby save the nation.

Can you honestly say that the classification of banks is any less corrupt than that of the military. The medium of banks is money, and we are all more familiar with that than with what the military does.

I say the military because in my mind that's what the 'reset' you mention will be. The worse congress and the president get, the closer a military junta get.

That reset for me began with the Millenium.  The tech bubble burst and after that 'redistribution of wealth' and the election of George W. Bush, America's Reichstag was burned down in NYC, and in just 13 short years terrorism is what concerns Americans the most. 

I don't believe that ISIS, like Venus, was born full grown. It is pretty clear to me that the CIA was working with the Syrian rebels before the the first confrontation between the students and the army.  In Syria, Langley organized the leadership of ISIS and has those leaders in its pocket.  The rank and file are, no doubt, the crazy motherfks we see and read about.  But Langley tells the leaders what to do next and the rank and files does it. They have gone from West Iraq to the Sinai without even spitting at Israel. A couple of weeks ago we phoney attacks at SA.  Soon we will see the same phony attacks at Israel.

Inflation has been in the supermarket for a couple of years now.  And only recently did some service charges go up. I agree that deflation is behind us.  My own view of the reasons begins with the realization by most BIG BUSINESSES that Diminishing Returns are here  --  and are here to stay.   That now, more than ever, it is time to sing off of the government's song sheet.  Which has been passed out to them since the end of 2008.

Just as cupping and leaching were replaced by a more modern form medicine, so will the troubles of inflation and recession be cured with more modern techniques. They will be despised by the shrinking middle class, who are now fighting for places on the Raft of the Medusa.

None of us had any say as to the time and troubles in which we were born.

hyperinflation paves the way for governments and those in power to make a transition to a replacement currency and a reset of the whole system.

 

 

I agree with you here about a replacement currency and a reset of the whole system.

I think that the economic status quo can buy some time with a replacement currency. But a currency only used by Central banks.  

 A currency only used between nations and not by their citizens.

 

 

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 21:04 | 5467842 honestann
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The part of the story they didn't provide is... how much more difficult the Chinese government has made getting cash outta China.  So the real question is... how creative and effective are Chinese at finding ways around the new tougher barriers on getting your cash outta the Chinese version of dodge.

About that, your guess is as good as mine.  But, sure sounds like one sweet opportunity for profit for anyone who finds ways to help them extract their cash from China.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 23:27 | 5468177 bid the soldier...
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It's hard to believe anyone is going to improve on this method.

We extract cash from China the old fashioned way.

One personal check at a time.

 

I'll never forget the time in the mid 80's, when xxxxxx, who had an extremely successful artificial Christmas tree importing company returned from Hong Kong.  At dinner one night he showed me 4 or 5 personal checks totaling a little more than $30,000.  He usually went to China (Hong Kong) in January after the Christmas season to order for the next year.

For some reason or another after he met with the factory owners, he would end up with thousands of dollars in his pocket.  As there was a limit on the amount of cash you could transit out and transit in with, a cottage industry blossomed in China whereby you could give USD to an honorable Chinese gentleman, whom you didn't know but who was recommended to you.  He would give you his personal check drawn on an American bank for that amount less a small handling fee. 

When you got home you deposited the check and voila.

China's $50,000-a-year limit on moving capital out presented a problem for him. He says he got around the restriction by recruiting friends to move chunks of his money under their own names. Real-estate agents in China say that is a common practice that is largely tolerated by authorities.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 22:40 | 5468104 AdvancingTime
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Money and wealth is being shifted to America from many areas. Having the dollar as the world reserve currency is both a blessing and a curse. The world is currently engaged in a massive game of speculation and chance that contains a lot of risk. Political considerations and insider deals between both nations and Central Banks play a big roll in this game.

A chart I saw recently touted how the percentage of funds held by foreign governments in dollars has fallen in recent years. Even after many countries have reduced their holdings in dollar reserves the dollar still carries a major wallop and place in the world economy and will effect everyone going forward. More on how the dollars role as the reserve currency effects all of us in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/11/reserve-currency-status-both-blessing.html

The big ugly games continue and we are the pawns.

Wed, 11/19/2014 - 22:50 | 5468146 rgetty
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Forget Spanish its time to learn Chinese. With 1.3 billion people who want out of China, dumb asses just open the door. 5 year visa means there will be a flood of students that will settle down into jobs and not be going back, plus enough time to pop out a couple kids. These idiots make me sick!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 01:55 | 5468605 bid the soldier...
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Walking four abreast, it will take 287 years for 1.3 billion people to leave China.

You're prolly thinking, "If I could open a Sabrett hot dog stand every 40 miles, I'd be a billionaire in 73 years. 

Good thinking, rgetty.

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