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This Is Why Rand Paul Is Hillary Clinton's Worst Nightmare

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

As Hillary Clinton starts to ponder the curtains she wants to hang in the Oval Office, there is only one person who can realistically stand in her way: Rand Paul.

Readers of this site will be well aware that I spend very little time focusing on Presidential politics. There are many reasons for this, but more than anything else, I believe there are two key components to genuine cultural change, and none of them have to do with electing a savior. These are:

1) Knowledge - Ignorance is not bliss. Particularly when it comes to the advance or decline of a civilization. Thomas Jefferson said it best:

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. 

I am trying to do my own little part in that regard here at Liberty Blitzkrieg.

2) Internal Change – It is much easier to complain about others and the world at large than it is to improve oneself. I’m as guilty of this as anyone, but I am cognizant that you can’t change the outside world unless you have changed what’s inside. Gandhi said it best:

We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. This is the divine mystery supreme. A wonderful thing it is and the source of our happiness. We need not wait to see what others do.

We can elect all the saviors we want to positions of power, but unless we are able to master the above, nothing will permanently evolve in the right direction, and we will be cursed into repeating the same painful cycle over and over again. Crash and burn.

All that said, I don’t think Presidential politics, or politics in general, have to be as horribly corrupt as they are today. I do think it is possible to elect courageous statesmen as opposed to power hungry, money grubbing frontmen and women.

As a consequence of my spending so much time reading about the world around me, I think I have a reasonable grasp of the potential contenders for the 2016 Presidential election from both of the tired and corrupt main parties. For all the chatter about Elizabeth Warren, I think Hillary Clinton is an absolute lock for the Democratic nomination. In fact, just yesterday the Huffington Post published an article detailing how the Democrat establishment had already made its move to cleverly neuter Warren by giving her more power within the Senate. For example:

Throughout Senate history, individual members have often steered away from leadership positions, worried that the horse-trading and consensus-gathering that leadership involves would neuter their power. But the Senate has been evolving in recent years into a much more leadership-driven institution, in which individual senators and even chairmen have less power than they once did compared to caucus leadership. Today, decisions that would have been made in side negotiations, in committee or on the floor are instead made by leadership.

 

It’s those meetings that Warren will now be a part of. At the same time, she will diminish her ability to maintain that inside position if she criticizes the party from the outside. That dilemma, however, has been with her every step of her career, as she has moved closer to the center of power.

We’ll see how this turns out, but it looks to me that the Democrats are giving her a sense of importance so she “plays ball.” Particularly when it comes to 2016.

On the Republican side, there isn’t a single candidate I would even consider supporting other than Rand Paul. Besides him, everyone else is either a neo-con establishment crony (Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney), or an intellectually challenged up and comer pandering basely to the lowest common denominator.

I am not considering Rand because I think he will “save America” or because his father is Ron Paul. I am considering Rand because I agree with him on enough positions that are important to me. Don’t take it from me though. Read the following article from H. A. Goodman, titled: I’m a Liberal Democrat. I’m Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why. Here are some excerpts:

Rand Paul is my candidate in 2016, even though the Tea Party would consider me Joseph Stalin’s love child. I’m for immigration reform and believe that illegal immigrants benefit this country. I’ve written many articles criticizing Tea Party paranoia. I’m against demagoguery from people like Paul Ryan who unfairly target inner city citizens and I’m for the federal legalization of gay marriage and marijuana. I think Ted Cruz is a buffoon and that we should listen to Stephen Hawking over Senator “Green Eggs and Ham” on climate change. Finally, I’ve also written two novels about the evils of religious fundamentalism and political demagoguery.

 

On all these possible points of contention with Rand Paul, the reality is that he isn’t Ted Cruz or Lou Dobbs on these matters. Sen. Paul is a self-described “moderate” on immigration, much to the dismay of Tea Party Republicans. Paul’s recent Bill Maher interview shows he’s open to cleaner energy alternatives. Most importantly, Paul doesn’t abide by the right-wing rhetoric blaming poor people for their predicament, or claiming God wants people to do this or that. Congress at the end of the day has the power of the purse, so if President Rand Paul scares you on economic matters, simply remember that only Congress can repeal or alter government programs and decide on budgets.

 

I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life, but in 2016, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul will be my choice for president. On issues that affect the long-term survival of this country; grandiose concerns like perpetual war that could send generations of Americans fighting and dying in the Middle East, domestic spying that could eventually lead to a police state, and numerous other topics, Rand Paul has shown that he bucks both the Republican and Democratic penchant for succumbing to public opinion, an overreaction to the terror threat, and a gross indifference to an egregious assault on our rights as citizens.

 

Yes, I’ll have to concede some of my beliefs and roll the dice as to whether or not he’ll flip-flop on issues, but Hillary Clinton and President Obama have changed their views on everything from gay marriage to marijuana legalization and Iraq, so I’m taking an educated gamble with Sen. Paul. Hillary Clinton alone has gone back and forth on enough issues to make the former Secretary of State a human version of Pong, so I’m not too worried about voting for Paul. Below are ten reasons this Democrat is voting for Rand Paul in 2016 and if my liberal membership card is revoked, I’ll live with that; I’m not an ideologue like Sean Hannity, I’m an American.

 

1. Rand Paul will be more cautious with waging war than Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. Sen. Paul has called Obama’s ISIS war illegal and isn’t against defending American interests through military intervention, but stresses the importance of Congress making these decisions. Hillary Clinton, in contrast, thinks we should have armed the Syrian rebel groups several years ago. Try naming even one of the Syrian rebel groups and explaining their differences with ISIS. Furthermore,The Week states that “Clinton’s instincts appear to be far more hawkish than Barack Obama’s.” Imagine a more hawkish Obama and you’ll get the next President Clinton. Also, famed neocon Robert Kagan is one of Clinton’s advisers and states in The New York Times, “I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy.” That should tell you how liberal Clinton will be on matters of perpetual war in the Middle East.

 

2. The Los Angeles Times has referred to Paul as “one of the foremost critics of the government’s domestic spying program.” In early 2014, Sen. Paul filed a lawsuit against the NSA over domestic spying. Neither Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, nor any other candidate in 2016 has made this a top priority in their campaign. Sen. Paul has also voted against PATRIOT Act Extension bills, voted for an amendment that prohibits detention of U.S. citizens without trial (which of course didn’t pass the Senate), and his voting record protects American citizens from politicians paranoid over terrorism. Sen. Paul was vehemently against the NDAA Indefinite Detention Bill that passed in 2013, because, “This bill takes away that right and says that if someone thinks you’re dangerous, we will hold you without a trial. It’s an abomination.”

 

3. Rand Paul has teamed up with liberal Democratic Sen. Cory Booker to reform the criminal justice system. Their bill would improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans who’ve been adversely affected by non-violent criminal sentences. Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush don’t care about reforming the criminal justice system, and if they do, it’s on the bottom of their to do lists, far behind cozying up to Wall Street and increasing America’s military presence in the Middle East.

 

4. POLITICO states Hillary Clinton is “Wall Street Republicans’ dark secret” in 2016. I don’t see Clinton as being any more liberal than Paul on Wall Street or banking, although perhaps she’d be more willing to save failed corporations than the Kentucky Senator. Also, Paul is one of the few Republicans who’s addressed the GOP’s love affair with corporations, stating that, “We cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people, and Wall Street…corporate welfare should once and for all be ended.”

 

5. Sen. Paul thinks Edward Snowden was treated unfairly as a whistleblower and should have only spent “a few years” in prison. No other candidate in 2016 would dare take that position. The Wall Street Journal criticizedPaul’s position on the Snowden matter, and their criticism actually makes me like Rand Paul in 2016 even more. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is “puzzled” why Snowden would want to leave the U.S. and feels he might have helped terrorists with his disclosures.

 

6. Rand Paul publicized the issue of a possible government drone strike, on American soil, against American citizens. No, I’m not making this up. I don’t want to get blown up eating a burrito at Chipotle because I visited Egypt to see the pyramids and happened to sit in a café frequented by a terrorist. In 2013, Rand Paul asked Eric Holder whether or not American citizens could be targeted by drones on American soil. Jon Stewart has a great segment about this. Eric Holder actually answered that theoretically, yes, drone strikes to kill Americans on U.S. soil could be viewed as legal, depending on the circumstance. If this doesn’t frighten you, then vote for Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush, since neither one cares about this matter. Issues like drone strikes on American soil, against Americans, is why I don’t believe in conspiracy theories. This sort of thing is being discussed today in plain sight, yet only Rand Paul and a few others have shown outrage over the potential of our government to possibly target its own citizens. If it’s not an ISIL beheading video, nobody seems to care nowadays.

 

7. Rand Paul could bring back an era in American politics when conservatives and liberals socialized with one another. This alone would solve some of the gridlock in Washington. Paul has worked with 7 leading Democratson a number of issues; working on everything from judicial reform, NSA surveillance, the limits of presidential authority to launch strikes in Iraq, and other issues. Imagine Ted Cruz reaching out to Nancy Pelosi, or Mitch McConnell having lunch with Hillary Clinton. Rand Paul, on the other hand, has worked to emulate this picture.

 

8. Rand Paul will not gut the economic safety nets of this country in the manner espoused by Paul Ryan and others. He doesn’t want to dismantleSocial Security. I do disagree with his view of the SNAP Program and certain other issues. However, Paul has stated, “I’m for a social safety net, but it should be minimized to helping those who can’t help themselves.” I don’t ever recall Ted Cruz or Paul Ryan making that type of statement and mainstream Republicans do everything in their power to promote the view that safety nets equate to communism or socialism.

 

9. Neoconservatives hate Rand Paul. They like Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush a lot more, and The Weekly Standard, National Review, and others have voiced their reservations about a Rand Paul presidency. If neocons disagree with you, then you must be doing something right.

 

10. Rand Paul could be the answer to our philosophical conundrum as a nation. We’re stuck with a GOP who thinks the globe is one giant Stratego board game with God helping roll the dice, a Democratic Party more focused on defending Obamacare than stopping endless wars or protecting civil liberties, and a populace that cares more about beheading videos than the erosion of rights or the welfare of our warriors. Is Paul the answer? I’m not certain. But compared to Hillary and Jeb Bush, I’ll take the man who stated, “I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East.”

What is so interesting to me about the above list, is that although I would strongly disagree with Mr. Goodman on many issues, I concur with his assessment of the importance of the above. NSA spying, aggressive and unconstitutional foreign policy, reforming the criminal justice system and drone strikes. These aren’t side issues to me. They are core issues. He didn’t even mention Audit the Fed, which Rand sponsored in the Senate and would almost surely continue to push for.

These issues cut cross meaningless labels of “liberal,” “conservative,” “progressive” and “libertarian.” These are human issues. Issues of civil liberties and decency (read:#StandwithRand: The Filibuster that United Libertarian and Progressive Activists). They are issues on which Rand Paul is on the right side of history and Hilary Clinton clearly on the wrong. That’s precisely why I think the GOP establishment will do everything in its power to prevent him from getting the nomination. Why you ask?

The reason is the establishment GOP is part of the status quo, and the status quo likes things as they are. Hilary Clinton would be merely a more militant version of Barack Obama with even deeper Wall Street ties (read: Glenn Greenwald on Hilary Clinton: “Soulless, Principle-Free, Power Hungry…”).

. A less hillbilly version of George W. Bush. I strongly believe that the GOP establishment would rather have Hilary Clinton in power than Rand Paul. I dare them to prove me wrong.

Rand recently appeared on Bill Maher’s show. At the end, Bill said:

I think it’s only a good thing for America, when I’m not sure who I’m gonna vote for next time. 

Think about that for a minute. Unless he makes some spectacular flip-flops, Rand Paul would get all the libertarian votes, all the GOP votes (they’d vote for Satan to keep Hillary out of office), and a lot more genuine liberal/progressive votes than you might think.

He is the only candidate who can beat Hilary. That’s why Rand Paul is Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare.

 

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Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:27 | 5470191 Paveway IV
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Hillary is just giddy with delight about killing people.

She will be a priceless asset to Israel, that's why I'm damn sure she will be our next president.

Clinton will make ISIS head-choppers look like rank amateurs.

ISIS mothers will warn their little children to behave or Hillary will come take them away.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:33 | 5470221 0b1knob
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Even Demotards are sick of Hillary.   The inevitability meme didn't work for her in 2008, why will it work in 2016? 

Don't confuse name recognition with popularity.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:38 | 5470244 Paveway IV
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"...Don't confuse name recognition with popularity..."

That's not it at all. I'm trying not to confuse the idea of voting with "who will be the next president?"

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:41 | 5470258 BigJim
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The Republican bigwigs would rather see Hilary president than Rand Paul.

He'll never make it past the primaries.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:51 | 5470313 SamAdams
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I don't know about that.  Rand is controlled opposition.  Loyal to Israel, sold his father out before his campaign was even over.  You see, talk is intangible, actions are real.  Remember what Obomba was preaching before the establishment elected him as the sock puppet?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:02 | 5470338 redpill
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All the fucks piling on Rand need to keep one thing in mind.  The President is the commander in chief.  So even if he's not your perfect anarcho-capitalistic candidate (which will never come along, by the way), he does have the power to slow or stop our current cycle of endless war.  The rest of it is all up to Congress anyway, so who gives a fuck.  At least with him in office fewer people will die.  So stop fucking complaining and stop the Hillary/Bush war machine please.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:10 | 5470348 Save_America1st
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and when the neo-libtards and prog-tards are screaming that you're a ray-ciss, bigot, homophobe, woman hating, Earth hating, polar bear hating, abortion hating, illegal immigrant hating, brown people hating, gun loving, Constiution loving, freedom loving, free market loving, all around mean person???

THEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT!!!

 

p.s.  And I will vote for Rand if he's on the ticket and doesn't get suicided before the election.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:57 | 5470557 InjectTheVenom
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fuck Paul...and Romney...and Rubio...and Jeb Bush...and Cruz...and Christie

DR BEN CARSON 2016 !

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:07 | 5470587 DrewJackson
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Dr. Carson and Nikki Haley.  Black, Brown & Boobs!

 

Beat that Bitch!!!

 

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:02 | 5470785 847328_3527
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I wonder how many people will vote for Monica’s ex-boyfriend’s wife ?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:14 | 5471083 TeamDepends
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Not many after Barry is done completely destroying the Dim party. Do you think he's going to do Hildebeast any favors?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:26 | 5471149 N2OJoe
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Hitlery has my vote.

This shitshow is going over the cliff regardless of which one of them is elected Oligarch so we might as well crash-and-burn sooner rather than later!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:02 | 5471480 OW My Balls
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<== Obama ~ Dictator for life

<== Obama ~ Dick TASTER for life

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:03 | 5471481 Latina Lover
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Hitlery is every thinking persons worse nightmare. The fact that she is even a candidate shows how rigged the political game in the USSA really is.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:21 | 5471541 logicalman
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See 'Joe Stalin' on voting.

If she's the pick of the true 'Powers that be' it WILL happen.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:32 | 5471572 BellyBrain
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Rand Paul is a wonderful candidate...for the power elite.  He would be like the white, Republican version of Obama.  And you KNOW they have to appease the repub side of the idiot voters who think that changing the puppets makes a difference.  They can't keep the ball on the demo side for another 4 years and maintain their delicate balance. 

So yea, it'll probably be Rand Paul 2016, and the same fucked up Zionist policies that have been in place since before any of us were born will continue to be upheld.

Long live the republic.  Oh wait, it's already dead.

Fri, 11/21/2014 - 10:32 | 5473486 Titus
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Neoconservatives hate Rand Paul. They like Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush a lot more, and The Weekly Standard, National Review, and others have voiced their reservations about a Rand Paul presidency. If neocons disagree with you, then you must be doing something right.

Yeah, that's why Bill Maher is all up in his cooch. This is just a different take on the Zionist marketing scheme and agenda. Rand sold Pappy out for 30 pieces of silver and agreed to suck Zio cock. One things for sure, he will do absolutely nothing to upset the Zio agenda and continue the endless cycle of war, but it won't be his fault.

Now the voting public will be buying a white Obama. How Ironic. The only way this bitch is changing is through revolt, and that's hard to do when 60 percent of the population is diabetic and obese.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:22 | 5471549 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Hilary in a walk. Then WWIII.

Watch her cackle about their prior attempts at WWIII (Iran):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhBoF_pCHo

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:03 | 5470790 thebigunit
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Nice guy. No organization. And after 10 minutes, deadly boring.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:19 | 5470412 The9thDoctor
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Readers of this site will be well aware that I spend very little time focusing on Presidential politics. There are many reasons for this, but more than anything else, I believe there are two key components to genuine cultural change, and none of them have to do with electing a savior.

This author should have left the article like this and not have gone any further.  Rand Paul is an ardent Zionist shill who grovels to AIPAC.  Then the author, that cites another author, praises Paul for wanting Snowden to "only spend a few years in prison"?  Are you fucking kidding me?  WHy don't you spend "only a few years in prison" and tell me how short that is.  You'll go crazy after only a couple of weeks in there.  How about Snowden gets pardoned?  The guy is the Paul Revere of our day.

Reading through this article was painful.  Rand Paul is just a zionist neocon stooge playing games.  Voting for a President isn't going to solve jack squat.  Rand Paul is going to continue the status quo by compromising.

As for #7 on the author's list, don't you realize that Boner and Obama play golf together constantly, and compromise all of the time, and we know their compromises always lead to more and more loss of freedom?

As for the immigration views of this Goodman guy, it's a one-way border.  When I can go to Mexico and get "in state" tuition to go back to college, when I can get free health care and get EBT in Mexico, and Mexico offers ballots in English, then I would totally support open borders.  Instead Mexico shits on us, and we are suppose to take it.  There's nothing "liberal" about that immigration stance whatsoever. 

The other thing is last time I checked, Stephen Hawking isn't a climatologist, but Dr. Tim Ball is.  I know liberals tend to worship experts, so at least get your experts in order, before you make silly comments.  You gotta love the scientist name drops the liberal crowd does.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:27 | 5470446 BigJim
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Good points.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 21:26 | 5471931 mkkby
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All the point/counterpoint about Rand and Hillary is an epic waste of time.  Wall street, the MIC, the media and a few other large industries will decide which blue and red candidate are acceptable to them.  That is who the voters will get to choose from.

They interview all the candidates behid closed doors.  The ones who agree to play ball get the support they need to win.  Anyone who tries to end run this process will be torn apart by the media or completely ignored, as demonstated on Ron Paul.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:06 | 5470581 Bingo Hammer
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Strange, tried to up vote your comment but it wont register

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:12 | 5470602 Paveway IV
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This is a block quote. Post that begin with a quote using the block quote tool (") from the edit bar can't be voted on. 

The block quote does not add quote marks. It just indents and italicizes.

I started this reply with a block quote and you won't be able to vote on it.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:16 | 5470622 McMolotov
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I used magic.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 22:16 | 5472152 BigJim
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I got expelled from Hogwarts before we covered that, so I am forced to use my [tab] and [enter] keys instead.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 22:15 | 5472144 Abbie Normal
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When replies begin with quotes, click to the right of the poster's name, then tab twice for up vote and press enter.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:46 | 5471627 OW My Balls
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 "Strange, tried to up vote your comment but it wont register"

 

Drive across the border to Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Indiana or Kentucky & see if it works then.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:55 | 5471650 nmewn
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lol

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:09 | 5470588 TuPhat
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I don't always agree with you 9th, but this comment is spot on.  I probably won't vote for Rand Paul because I don't think it will make a difference.  We are sliding into the cesspool and sliding a little slower won't make me any happier.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:44 | 5471407 froze25
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I will vote for Rand because I think he will make a difference. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:23 | 5471555 logicalman
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That implies that you believe voting makes a difference.

FYI - IT DOESN'T

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:59 | 5471662 Harbanger
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They're all the same!  The only hope for the closet Progressives on ZH is Indian Chief Warren.  The Dems are getting old and worn out.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:46 | 5471771 nmewn
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The Establishment Dems are now busy trying to get Warren NOT TO run. LMAO when Hillary had to walk back her “Don’t let anybody tell you that corporations and businesses create jobs...”

In the mean time, something from the terminally insane (and uber-rich) progressives ;-)

“The fight is to frame the issues for the next few elections,” she said, according to the source in the room. “We have moved the Democrats over the last four years.”

Earlier Thursday, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid tapped Warren for a leadership position that will utilize her appeal by making her an official liaison to the liberal base. Reid is set to talk to donors Friday morning on the sidelines of the Mandarin Oriental conference at a session hosted by a group called iVote, which raises cash to try to elect Democratic secretaries of state. Reid’s office did not respond to a request for comment on his participation in the event.

The Democracy Alliance has suggested it is considering opening up some of its activities and funding recommendations to the media, but all of the sessions on Thursday were closed to the press.

Democracy Alliance staff and private security retained by the club stood sentry outside the basement banquet room where Warren spoke, preventing reporters from getting too close. And she avoided the media gathered for the conference by utilizing a side door to enter and exit the room.

POLITICO caught up with her as she made her way to a car waiting outside. But she ignored a question about whether her appearance — a closed-door speech to major donors who write huge checks, sometimes anonymously, (Edit, GASP!...lol) to influence the political process — conflicted with her public denunciations of the role of conservative big money in politics.

“Excuse me,” an aide said, blocking access to Warren as she slid into the front passenger seat.

Democracy Alliance partners, as the group calls its members, pay annual dues of $30,000 and are required to contribute a total of at least $200,000 a year to recommended groups. Since its inception in 2005, the club’s partners have combined to give more than $500 million to recommended groups, and they played a pivotal early role in boosting Barack Obama during his 2008 Democratic presidential primary bid against Clinton."

Because, a junior Senator with a lisp and a God complex seemed much better at the time...lol.

"In addition to Warren, Vice President Joe Biden, (Edit: Can't wait) who is considering challenging Clinton in the 2016 presidential primary, is set to appear Friday night at a Democracy Alliance gala at the Newseum with donors.

Clinton was not invited to any part of the Mandarin meeting, (Edit: Oh my) which some of her supporters interpreted as a snub. Democracy Alliance staff and board members rejected that characterization, asserting the meeting was about the future of the progressive movement generally, and not the 2016 presidential race specifically.

“I don’t think who speaks here and who does not speak here is illustrative of anything,” said David desJardins, an engineer who was one of the first 20 people hired by Google, (Edit: And multi-millionaire by the way) and also was an early Obama backer. He said Clinton would be welcome to speak to the group anytime and called a POLITICO article highlighting the fact that she wasn’t invited this time “dumb.”

Stupid American voters & journalists...lol.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/elizabeth-warren-liberal-donors-112888.html#ixzz3Jet5Lg52

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 22:21 | 5472169 BigJim
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 POLITICO caught up with her as she made her way to a car waiting outside. But she ignored a question about whether her appearance — a closed-door speech to major donors who write huge checks, sometimes anonymously, (Edit, GASP!...lol) to influence the political process — conflicted with her public denunciations of the role of conservative big money in politics.

Why would it conflict with her denunciations of conservative big money in politics? This is liberal big money in politics.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:08 | 5470591 YHC-FTSE
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Sadly, I think you are spot on about Rand Paul. Just goes to show that there really are no choices when it comes to politics.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:08 | 5470806 thebigunit
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I guess us little people down here on the planet are doomed.

Is there a ladder somewhere that I can use to climb up on your cloud?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:23 | 5471557 logicalman
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Upvote.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:45 | 5470718 Mountainview
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Maybe not if he takes his father as a vice!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:54 | 5470995 Michigander
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He'll never make it past the primaries...ALIVE.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:24 | 5470435 Dinero D. Profit
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Hillary can discuss the problem of cunt-itch.  Rand can't

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:15 | 5470618 Took Red Pill
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Speaking of ISIS, in case there was any doubt about who is behind them;

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930825001416

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:09 | 5470811 hot sauce technician
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Artard, Jews in Israel die when a klinton is in office. No sane Zionist wants anything to do with that kriminal family.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:13 | 5470819 hot sauce technician
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Jupe.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:13 | 5470136 max2205
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Little penis or big ass

 

I believe we will have moar shit choices in 2016

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:17 | 5470152 Stoploss
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Yeah, but there's no mention of the new guy.

Somebody said his name was Left Field.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:11 | 5470119 slaughterer
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Paul and Clinton were lovers once.  

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:59 | 5470335 SamAdams
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Bill maybe, Hillary eats at the Y.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:46 | 5470287 drendebe10
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"There ain't nuthin uglier than an old white woman."  fred Sanford, Sanford and Son

........ especially a carpet chewing lying sackash*t like this one....

Sat, 11/22/2014 - 09:51 | 5476539 froze25
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Murdering as well, she is a violent offender. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:26 | 5470442 williambanzai7
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Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:05 | 5470572 Bingo Hammer
Bingo Hammer's picture

Haha, excellent,....when she gets in the real nightmare begins

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:58 | 5471013 Trogdor
Trogdor's picture

LOL - awesome.  Hitlery - if (s)elected, will be the driving force behind my moving out of country... or to the first state the secedes ...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:09 | 5471493 JLee2027
JLee2027's picture

I'm disgusted with Hillary, but Rand Paul isn't a solution I'm voting for. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:12 | 5470118 savedeposit
savedeposit's picture

Fuck him right in the pussy

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:11 | 5470121 TahoeBilly2012
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Ron for head of the NSA! BHaha

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:18 | 5470154 optimator
optimator's picture

I'd rather see Ron as the FED Chairman.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:12 | 5470125 pods
pods's picture

Really?  Two fucking years until the next selection and already this shit is starting?

pods

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:35 | 5470228 yrbmegr
yrbmegr's picture

It started last year.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:46 | 5470290 JuliaS
JuliaS's picture

Christmas shopping seasons begins on Halloween.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:50 | 5470309 pods
pods's picture

lol.

Might find some Cadbury's cream eggs in my stocking.

pods

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:44 | 5470510 Miffed Microbio...
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I have noticed this. It appears my favorite holiday thanksgiving is no more. Crass lighting a la the Griswolds is everywhere now. Humans seem to be living on the level of phototrophic parameciums today.

Miffed

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:37 | 5470688 Dinero D. Profit
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from Lawrence Ferlinghetti’s A Coney Island of the Mind 

CHRIST CLIMBED DOWN

Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
there were no rootless Christmas trees
hung with candycanes and breakable stars

Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
there were no gilded Christmas trees
and no tinsel Christmas trees
and no tinfoil Christmas trees
and no pink plastic Christmas trees
and no gold Christmas trees
and no black Christmas trees
and no powderblue Christmas trees
hung with electric candles
and encircled by tin electric trains
and clever cornball relatives

Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
no intrepid Bible salesmen
covered the territory
in two-tone cadillacs
and where no Sears Roebuck crèches
complete with plastic babe in manger
arrived by parcel post
the babe by special delivery
and where no televised Wise Men
praised the Lord Calvert Whiskey

Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
no fat handshaking stranger
in a red flannel suit
and a fake white beard
went around passing himself off
as some sort of North Pole saint
crossing the desert to Bethlehem
Pennsylvania
in a Volkswagen sled
drawn by rollicking Adirondack reindeer
with German names
and bearing sacks of Humble Gifts
from Saks Fifth Avenue
for everybody’s imagined Christ child

Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and ran away to where
no Bing Crosby carolers
groaned of a tight Christmas
and where no Radio City angels
iceskated wingless
thru a winter wonderland
into a jinglebell heaven
daily at 8:30
with Midnight Mass matinees

Christ climbed down
from His bare Tree
this year
and softly stole away into
some anonymous Mary’s womb again
where in the darkest night
of everybody’s anonymous soul
He awaits again
an unimaginable
and impossibly
Immaculate Reconception
the very craziest
of Second Comings

 

 

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:36 | 5471597 logicalman
logicalman's picture

Thing is.......

Christmas trees are really a Pagan symbol - Winter Solstice and all that stuff.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:25 | 5471564 logicalman
logicalman's picture

Simplest thing to do is to ignore all 'official' holidays and make your own based on family/friends.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:52 | 5470536 Chump
Chump's picture

Neighbors have full on, blinking, multi-colored Christmas lights up already.  I kinda wish their house would burn down.  Not really, but kinda.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:14 | 5470833 Bunghole
Bunghole's picture

Sneak over every night for a week and either unplug them or pull a few select bulbs.

They'll get the message.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:53 | 5471239 Cathartes Aura
Cathartes Aura's picture

sounds like a perfect time to get in some

wrist slingshot practice!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:27 | 5471568 logicalman
logicalman's picture

3/8in steel ball out of one of those is quite something ;-)

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:13 | 5470604 TuPhat
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I didn't put up lights last year.  My neighbor's lights lit up my house as well and the loudspeakers blared out Jingle bells at all hours.  I am christian but I wouldn't want my birthday celebrated like christmas.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:06 | 5471283 Freddie
Freddie's picture

It is just crass commercialism.  I was in one store the other day and left as fast as I could.   They just want our money.

I see on YouTube that Wal Mart has these black friday video ads that look all holiday and Christmas with this very hispanic young woman pushing WMT's crap.  Yet another reason to avoid WMT.   They make all their money on food stamps and illegals.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:38 | 5470696 Blythes Master
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Today, Rand broke bread with ignorant race baiter tax dodging hustler and general scumbag Albert SharpTON.

Douches, one and all.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:12 | 5470820 thebigunit
thebigunit's picture

What was he thinking? Rand, I mean.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:04 | 5471035 August
August's picture

That's a very good question.  Rand is exploring the possibiity of some sort of modus operandi among various US out-groups, as in marrying the Tea Party to Occupy to Urban Blacks. 

The Reverend Sharpton is pretty much the bottom of the barrel, but you have to start somewhere.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:54 | 5471646 greatbeard
greatbeard's picture

>> marrying the Tea Party to Occupy to Urban Blacks.

If you are serious, I could get behind something like that.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:31 | 5471740 thebigunit
thebigunit's picture

"If you are serious, I could get behind something like that."

 

Really?

What the hell would you believe in? Rand Paul and the Tea Party are free market capitalists.  Urban Blacks are ethnic tribal socialists. Occupy Whatever are hard left communists.

If you "got behind something like that" you would be doing nothing but breaking up fistfights.

Sat, 11/22/2014 - 09:54 | 5476543 froze25
froze25's picture

Rand and Sharpton, got a link?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:55 | 5471246 Cathartes Aura
Cathartes Aura's picture

lol, "what was he thinking?"

 

dreams of future moneybombs to pad the family fortunes,

and a chance to pontificate to his masses?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:28 | 5471573 logicalman
logicalman's picture

I think Ron should demand a paternity test.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:11 | 5471503 Squid Viscous
Squid Viscous's picture

was Tawana there? she coulda cracked the corn and fetched some water and vittles...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:12 | 5470126 buzzardsluck
buzzardsluck's picture

Fuck them both

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:17 | 5470846 hot sauce technician
hot sauce technician's picture

Agree. Big government is wrong. The USA has to be dismantled for its own good. The only candidate worth voting for is the one who outright calls for retiring unkle sam.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:06 | 5471041 August
August's picture

I'd prefer to see Uncle Sam necklaced, but I'll settle for permanent retirement.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:56 | 5471252 Cathartes Aura
Cathartes Aura's picture

I'm with you fellow buzzard. . . hsssssssssssssssssssssssss!

 

but whatcha gonna do? voters gotta vote, even if they "hold their nose" or "cross their fingers". . .

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:14 | 5470131 ZippyBananaPants
ZippyBananaPants's picture

We nightmared some folks

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:14 | 5470133 SethDealer
SethDealer's picture

skank

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:19 | 5470138 Kaiser Sousa
Kaiser Sousa's picture

until the scum of the earth - The MoneyChangers - rule over mankind is removed and they are ERADICATED, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.....

DEATH TO THE MONEYCHANGERS.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:19 | 5470142 22winmag
22winmag's picture

Either way... AIPAC wins.

 

The oil-soaked, spy-riddled Tea Party isn't going to change anything either.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:52 | 5470312 gatorengineer
gatorengineer's picture

The Tea Party and its ideals got hijacked.....  The libertarian movement will be next 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:34 | 5470921 hot sauce technician
hot sauce technician's picture

That's why "movements" should be shunned. If what you believe in requires political action for materialization, then check your premises. The objective should be maximum detachment from and/or dismantling of big gubmint apparatuses.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:29 | 5471576 logicalman
logicalman's picture

Anarchism is hijack-proof and the only way forward for humanity.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:12 | 5470821 thebigunit
thebigunit's picture

Iggerant troll.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:17 | 5470145 29.5 hours
29.5 hours's picture

 

 

We are supposed to be excited by yet one more Republican/Democrat shell game?! Anyone running under the banner of either of these bastions of crony capitalism is someone arguing for the elite.

 

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:06 | 5471282 Cathartes Aura
Cathartes Aura's picture

indeed.

and anyone still voting has yet to realise

the truth of the system they live under.

stop hopin' for change folks.

 

the best prep is the Mind.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:16 | 5470147 Bay of Pigs
Bay of Pigs's picture

I skimmed the article. Typical Left/Right, GOP/Dem rubbish.

Rand Paul supported Mitt Romney. How do people forget that?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:51 | 5470308 New World Chaos
New World Chaos's picture

He also toadies up to Israel

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:52 | 5470317 gatorengineer
gatorengineer's picture

left right serisously?  Who is left and who is right?  There will never ever have been two candidates with no distinct difference.

I hope Ron come out soon and blames the mailman.....

 

Sat, 11/22/2014 - 09:57 | 5476547 froze25
froze25's picture

I would too over Obama.  It sucks.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:17 | 5470148 roadhazard
roadhazard's picture

Rand can kiss my AK.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:17 | 5470149 RabbitOne
RabbitOne's picture

I don’t know what they are talking about. Hillary already looks horse whipped another beating would only improve her looks…

 The Dems here are so sure she is going to win the local KFC has a Hillary special for “…2 big thighs and 2 small breast…” that is half priced for all illegal aliens…  

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:49 | 5470301 drendebe10
drendebe10's picture

.....forget the left wing and big giant fat azz....

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:55 | 5470552 Miffed Microbio...
Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Hitlery resembles Livia Augustus patiently waiting for her day to step into power. We have become a potentate with a hereditary monarchy. Deception, murders, backstabbing, theft, political posturing. Seems like a recipe for a bad, clichéd B movie.

I should watch I Claudius again as a modern day documentary now.

Miffed

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:34 | 5471586 logicalman
logicalman's picture

Some things never change.

Decent people have lines they will not cross, for ethical reasons.

People who achieve power have neither ethics nor lines they will not cross.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 21:03 | 5471828 emersonreturn
emersonreturn's picture

miffed,

 

poor livia...smart, iconic...hitlery; smart like tractor, strong like bull (in the never to be forgotten words of a rural client).

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 23:31 | 5472440 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Keep an eye on that Sejanus (Patrick Stewart) character!

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:18 | 5470151 Tsar Pointless
Tsar Pointless's picture

>--------- Fuck Rand Paul.

>--------- Fuck Hillary.

I voted both up and down.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:31 | 5470206 CuttingEdge
CuttingEdge's picture

Not a poll I would participate in, unfortunately.

Fucking Hillary Clitnon ain't on my to-do list. Neither is any bloke I could think of...

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:36 | 5470235 Bangin7GramRocks
Bangin7GramRocks's picture

Don't know about fucking either of them, but I want to know why Rand wears a merkin on his head.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:57 | 5470327 e_goldstein
e_goldstein's picture

It's because of a migration of pubic lice. A little known side effect of going to DC and willfully shoving your head up your ass.

My guess is that he originally caught the crabs from Mitch McConnell or his brother-in-law, Jesse Benton, maybe both.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:41 | 5470241 Squid Viscous
Squid Viscous's picture

Would you rather see H Ramrod vs that fat prick Christie? or Jeb? or Ted- "my wife makes 7 figures working @ GS but I'm really a salt of the earth guy who will watch out for the middle class"??

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:41 | 5470260 Tsar Pointless
Tsar Pointless's picture

Elizabeth Warren is the only one deserving of my vote, and I doubt she'll run. She's too smart to be president, or to even run for president.

She'd be JFK'd in days. Or, RFK'd. One or the other.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:44 | 5470284 Squid Viscous
Squid Viscous's picture

ok, at least RP will raise some issues that the sheeple ought to ponder, but I'm sure he will get crucified well before the RNC convention

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:08 | 5470371 sessinpo
sessinpo's picture

Dear God,

Another clear example of what is wrong with this country. I will stop here because if I rant  on, I'd blow Tsar Pointless' head off.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 19:47 | 5471629 Harbanger
Harbanger's picture

So far 8 closet progressives here agree with him.  It's the same lying douchebags who tell you it's not about left-right, they are all the same and voting doesn't matter.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:16 | 5470399 Bill of Rights
Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:01 | 5470566 Jonathan Equine...
Jonathan Equine Phallus's picture

lots of junks, but she's less awful by a lot than hillary and jeb and romney.

She sure turned into AIPAC's littl emonkey though, and abandonded her progressive ideals as to the Palestinians though, eh?

Unreal, man.  a fraction of a 2.5% block, a foreign state that spies on the US relentllessly - the power and infiltration they have achieved.

 

And zero real resistance politically.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:40 | 5470943 hot sauce technician
hot sauce technician's picture

Anyone who has progressive ideals as to the "Palestinians" is a fool and deserves to lose their savings in a stock market crash.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:55 | 5470745 greatbeard
greatbeard's picture

>> Elizabeth Warren

Shut the fuck up man.  This is a staunchly apolitical web site that sees righ though the red/blue bull shit and only votes straight ticket Republican.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:18 | 5470153 grgy
grgy's picture

Hillary Clinton is America's worst nightmare.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:30 | 5470202 Payne
Payne's picture

America is dead, unless Hilary can make the Zombie walk nightmare are over.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 17:20 | 5471113 August
August's picture

After 170 years of US agression...

Payback is indeed a Bitch.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 18:12 | 5471307 Cathartes Aura
Cathartes Aura's picture

lol, upvoted.

Truth.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:18 | 5470155 Winston Smith 2009
Winston Smith 2009's picture

"As Hillary Clinton starts to ponder the curtains she wants to hang in the Oval Office, there is only one person who can realistically stand in her way"

What is it with this media-wide certainty that Hillary is WH bound? She hasn't even a REMOTE chance of winning the presidency. I suspect the Reps WANT her to run.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:33 | 5470214 Kaiser Sousa
Kaiser Sousa's picture

bro u dont get it...
when Hilary and O'Conman where secretly flown away to meet with some of the heads of The Bilderberg Group prior to O'Sellout being named the democratic candidate, the MoneyChangers already had the next 12 years planned out...

the conned the populace with the "hope and change" house negro, and now there gonna give u a sociopathic "woman" to complete the destruction of the nation and your liberties...

just u watch and c.

Sat, 11/22/2014 - 10:01 | 5476556 froze25
froze25's picture

The Secretary of State is where the power is. They control the CIA. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:19 | 5470156 VWAndy
VWAndy's picture

This guy dont seem all that bad.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE

 Just sayin

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:57 | 5470333 Seek_Truth
Seek_Truth's picture

"This guy dont seem all that bad"

Truly underappreciated.

Best candidate I've seen since Ron Paul.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:08 | 5470377 auntiesocial
auntiesocial's picture

lest we forget- Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul... best he is prolly better than the rest of the scum 

Sat, 11/22/2014 - 10:13 | 5476568 froze25
froze25's picture

There is no way that you have a father like Ron Paul and aren't heavily influenced by him.  Getting into the Oval office requires political skills.  Ron is a great man but a bad politician.  Rand is more skilled in the political then his father but do you really think Rand doesn't know his father's books word for word? Do you think Rand wants endless war or the Rape of the middle class and destruction of the family unit? He is clearly in the least bit a good man that wants prosperity freedom and liberty for all. I do believe they will gang up on him in the primaries.   You will see a lot of Rand Paul lites to get votes away from him to make the establishment guy come out on top in the beginning. 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:12 | 5470383 sessinpo
sessinpo's picture

The only politician worth voting for is the intelligent person that doesn't want the job in the first place. We haven't had that since George Washington.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:19 | 5470157 prefan4200
prefan4200's picture

Whoever is the Republican nominee in 2016 will be characterized by the MSM as an evil, stupid, shifty outlaw.  And enough stupid head-up-their-ass voters will fall for it and again elect an unqualified fool (Hillary) after electing the unqualified fools Bush and Obama.  We are so doomed.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:21 | 5470162 ebworthen
ebworthen's picture

The Clinton machine and the MSM Propagandists will nullify Rand Paul the way they did his Dad.

The "Fox News" crowd will insist on the dough-boy Christie or banker insider Ted Cruz - who will lose.

And it doesn't matter who gets elected either way as the U.S. is "of the banks, by the banks, for the banks".

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:30 | 5470204 Bay of Pigs
Bay of Pigs's picture

Bingo. Christie, from the bastion of freedom, New Jersey. And Cruz, whose wife works with Goldman Sachs.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:15 | 5470401 sessinpo
sessinpo's picture

Unlikely.

If that were true, All the Presidents of the last century would have been ex - bank executives. Thus your statement is non logical.

My guess is what many have suggested is another boring (Jeb)  Bush vs (Hilliary) Clinton race. I'm done with the whole thing so fuck them both.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 15:16 | 5470613 Bay of Pigs
Bay of Pigs's picture

WTF are you talking about? The pols serve the Fed and Wall St banks and always have.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 20:07 | 5471684 sessinpo
sessinpo's picture

I don't know. You can't even type a complete sentence. So I have to figure out what you are saying which is usually garbage.

When you can post with complete sentences, maybe we can have a discussion.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 21:42 | 5472003 ebworthen
ebworthen's picture

So you believe politicians can fix our utterly corrupt nation?

They'd never put a bank executive in the White House, too obvious.  But no President will ever get elected without bank/corporate backing and support.

Do you really believe this country has not crossed the Rubicon?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:24 | 5470437 ebear
ebear's picture

"And it doesn't matter who gets elected either way as the U.S. is "of the banks, by the banks, for the banks"."

Exactly, so why all the Sturm und Drang?  


Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:21 | 5470165 gmak
gmak's picture

Sounds to me like you're mice being asked to choose the calico cat or the other calico cat. I don't see much difference between them.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:20 | 5470166 optimator
optimator's picture

Please Dr. Rand, don't make the same mistakes your Dad made.  Bite your lip, and start making as many trips to the Wailing Wall as time permits for starters.  Your Dad didn't even visit once and you see what that got him.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 14:27 | 5470441 ebear
ebear's picture

Mr. Netanyahu, tear down this wall.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:21 | 5470167 basho
basho's picture

knowledge and internal change. the american people? lol

you might as well try and get to the moon in a dog cart.

 

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:21 | 5470168 tarsubil
tarsubil's picture

Would you believe Hillary walked within ten feet of me while I had a P226 at my hip? I wonder if God is going to make me answer for my lack of action.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 16:46 | 5470962 mastersnark
mastersnark's picture

Thanks for nothing.

Dick.

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:21 | 5470169 e_goldstein
e_goldstein's picture

<---Hillary Clitnon
<---Rand Paul

Who is the bigger neo-con POS?

Thu, 11/20/2014 - 13:57 | 5470332 gatorengineer
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I dont think there is a shade of differnce between the two.  Both are Zio-Cons, the only difference is its printed so big on Hillaries lapel you can read it with Hemotoma glasses.  Rand is more of the stealth zio-con so I give him the bigger POS award.

I dont think that Barry has done anything that anyone even vaguely paying attention wouldnt have realized we got what we asked for and we will get it again.

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