Forget Orwell And Rand, We’ve Gone To Full On Plato

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Thad Beversdorf via First Rebuttal blog,

Lately, we hear a lot about Orwell’s “1984″ and Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” but perhaps the best crystal ball to our current state of affairs is Plato’s Republic.  You see both Rand and Orwell were describing a world outside of themselves.  A world they couldn’t understand or accept.  And while those works are brilliant and incredibly prophetic, I expect that to understand a world borne of narcissistic sociopathy one must examine the construct of such a world by a narcissistic sociopath.  Fortunately Plato, perhaps the world’s most (in)famous narcissistic sociopath, provided us a vivid illustration and explanation of his ideal state in “Plato’s Republic”.  Plato provides us the why to Orwell’s and Rand’s ‘unideal’ states.

Plato provides the arguments for the philosopher kings.  He also describes various levels of reality, arguing that each societal demographic must live within the reality level delegated to them.  He argues each demographic has a limited intellectual capacity and thus can only handle the reality level provided to them.   With the philosopher kings being the only societal demographic with the right to and capacity for absolute truth.  Likewise, the philosophers kings in the world we find ourselves today control each and every aspect of life including our subsequent perception the world.  There is no such thing as happenstance.

The market moves a certain direction not because of unexplained market forces but because the philosopher kings have made it so.  Economic policies are creating incredible wealth for the already wealthy while destroying the middle class not because of honest misjudgements or the need for more time but because the philosopher kings make it so.  The Fed dropped the U3 unemployment rate as a benchmark because it does not meet their standard of truth but expects the rest of us to consider that true unemployment.  Declining GDP is ignored while adjusted indicators signalling GDP is healthy are paraded all over the street because the philosopher kings make it so.  A Malaysian airliner is shot out of the sky not by things yet unknown but because the philosopher kings make it so.

As in Plato’s Ideal State, today’s philosopher kings are the only ones with the right to and capacity for (as decided by them) absolute truth.  The rest of us live within the realities provided for and to us.  We are handed the explanations and when the explanations don’t suffice the subject matter disappear altogether; refer to Ukraine, Ebola, Malaysian airliner, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS criminality, NSA, Breitbart and the Constitution, etc.  We the people take what we are fed in stride and in line with our respective places in the hierarchy of truth.  If we dare challenge the hierarchy of truth, as men like Snowden have attempted, we are exiled with a bounty on our head.  Or for minor offences such as providing the truth behind declining same store sales your career is taken from you like Bill Simon, ex Walmart CEO who was fired for stating that Americans are buying less because they have less income than before.  The philosopher kings make it so.

The facts are we will never know the facts. 

We will know but a shadow of truth as ascribed to us by the philosopher kings as described by Plato’s Cave Parable.  This is how a handful of men and women control billions of people, the same way 20 cowboys control 30K head of cattle.  We are provided food, shelter, safety and fear and in return we are provided a certain reality from which we must live.  So long as we remain within our respective realities we will be granted comfort.  However, if we attempt to break through a level of truth or worse bring others with us, the heavy hand of the philosopher king will find us by way of the guardian class.   In our world we become a threat to national security and once we adorn that scarlet letter all rights that were once guaranteed by the Constitution disappear.  The Constitution states no person or law supercedes it, however, by way of executive order the chief philosopher king has granted the philosopher kings a level of authority that supercedes that of the Constitution.  And as comfortable cattle do, we paid no attention but strode forward with the herd.

So for those inclined to not only reflect on the prophetic worlds of Orwell and Rand but to understand the arguments for such a world by the philosopher kings themselves, refresh yourself with a read of Plato’s Republic.  For wars are won not by force of might but by force of knowledge.  Plato was correct in understanding that freedom is found in knowledge.  If we accept a shadow of truth we will enjoy a shadow of freedom.  But if we fight for absolute truth we will win absolute freedom.

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A Lunatic's picture

Cat videos would be more informative than this.........

Billy the Poet's picture




"The Platonist school begins by accepting the primacy of consciousness, by reversing the relationship of consciousness to existence, by assuming that reality must conform to the content of consciousness, not the other way around—on the premise  that the presence of any notion in man’s mind proves the existence of a corresponding referent in reality." -- Ayn Rand's Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology

Clowns on Acid's picture

Well that cleared it all up for me.....

Billy the Poet's picture



"That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." -- Aide to G. W. Bush as quoted by Ron Suskind

hobopants's picture

"I am the machine that reveals the world to you as only I alone am able to see it" -Dziga Vertov

Perspective is a wonderful thing, but unlike Plato's assertion it does not determine reality, it merely deludes you into thinking that it does.

I think it was Karl Rove who said that bullshit about empire, not just some random aide.  "Project for a New American Century"...more like "Brave New World".

TheAnalOG's picture

Hi hobopants!  It's been a long time... we used to post here under a different PAL name.  We are philosopher kings and we are fit to rule! 

Buy Bitcoin!!

hobopants's picture

Uh oh, the return of Fonestar?

TeamDepends's picture

Naw, we saw it with our own eyes. A large rock was securely fastened to his torso. He sank to the bottom. We had no choice. The hillbilly gold panners got to him.

SafelyGraze's picture

never heard of a plato

had to wikipedia it

didn't even have an entry for full-on plato-ing, like in the title

but what does this have to do with banking and finance?



Tyranny is Love's picture

Everything.... Unfortunately Everything.

The people that designed the banking system (theft system), followed Plato’s philosophy or more specific to your question the pyramid structures of society and control of that society he is describing. Hence the ponzi scheme design of the fractional reserve debt based banking system.


Their ultermit influence though is not Plato but Lucifer.

winchester's picture
winchester (not verified) Tyranny is Love Nov 23, 2014 4:00 AM

@ lunatic:


as if people used to read plato....


how patheticly funny you are.

Kobe Beef's picture

My Grandfather worked Intelligence for the Strategic Air Command. He told me there are two things every Intel agency in the world is always doing:

1) Figuring out what others are doing.

2) Lying about what you're doing.

The truth will be classified and compartmentalized. Lies will be publicized.




SWRichmond's picture

The OP describes Cantor's famous statement about "smart people needing to make important decisions"

Took Red Pill's picture

"The facts are we will never know the facts. "

Ain't that the truth! JFK, MLK, RFK, ETC.

CH1's picture

To the author: THANK YOU for writing the truth about Plato. Much appreciated!!

Headbanger's picture


STALIN is moar like it!

BuddyEffed's picture

The philosopher kings might not feed you all the truth, but that doesn't prevent you from deducing it, and having a "Eureka, I have found it" moment.   One can know what real truths exist just by considering the falsehoods that would be displaced if a thing were true.

Tyranny is Love's picture

You could also start with 1+1=2 and go from there.



nmewn's picture

Because more than a few of us can actually see and comment on the false realities the article is discussing and generally have lost all patience for imbeciles, like you.

TheAnalOG's picture

Arguing for return of a gold standard.  Who will own all the gold?  Putin and Xi?  Not we, so who is imbicile?  They will still own you and you will love it.

Citxmech's picture

Why would the readoption of a gold standard remove physical  gold from private citizens' hands? 

TheAnalOG's picture

My point is that people on this blog don't like gold, they like "gold standards" which are two completely different things!  If you like your gold so much, why exactly are you so concerned about your made-up thought experiment (government) putting their little stamps on your precious gold?  Does it make it more valuable?  Does it make you feel better when your thought experiment says "we agree with you!"

Citxmech's picture

Generalize much?  "People here" - like the hedge is a monolithic block of same-minded individuals.

And what thought experiment are you talking about?

nmewn's picture

Childish diversion.

Precisely where in the article is gold or the gold standard mentioned? And where does hobopants mention BitCoin?


If you can't add something to the discussion of elites trying to create an alternate reality the common man will believe, it would probably be a good idea not to insert snobs like the Winklevoss twins (who claim to own 1% of all Bitcoins) or another BitTroll named DPS or any of the other pumpers who cashed out INTO FIAT and left you holding your BitBag. 

It makes you look like you've been sucked into an alternate reality and are a sheep or worse.

Like in the article ;-)

Atticus Finch's picture

Didn't that all run aground with "Mission Accomplished"?

detached.amusement's picture

no, its like shooting the moon, you have to be full retard to go striaght for it

IndyPat's picture

Apparently not. Some brown folks still get droned.

NoDebt's picture

Guys, it's not a bad way of looking at things.  Seems to fit the facts as well or better than Rand or Orwell.  

Rand ultimately envisioned a snap-back event I just don't see coming.

Orwell envisioned a psychological prison, but one where those who are aware could perceive it.  I see few perceiving the depth of thier imprisonment today.

What we have going on today (neo-feudalism, or whatever you want to call it) seems to be a blend of all three.  Near-permanent castes with only those at the highest levels having true view of events and circumstances (Plato), perpetual lies and misinformation to control those below (Orwell) and a slow degradation of human industry and choice (Rand).

One heluva shit cocktail, even if you don't buy 100% of everything I'm saying, that's for sure.

hobopants's picture

Astute observation, but the Orwellian thing gives too much credit to the ruling elite. I picture them more as the Wizard of OZ desperately pulling levers as shit falls apart, rather than a boot stamping on a human face (although I'm sure they see themselves otherwise). Reality always triumphs over hubris.

NoDebt's picture

Orwell's premise was that beyond a certain point, people will control themselves and know what their perception is supposed to be, even in the absence of direct orders from above.  They will self-censor.  That part seems to fit current circumstances quite well.

The elites aren't the Wizard of Oz, but if those below them believe they are, then they are.

Ignatius's picture

I personally have experience with several long time, intelligent friends who have developed an immunity to certain, threatening facts.  A strange impairment brought about from subtle propaganda that they've yet to perceive, if ever.  Stuck in their level, I guess, is how Plato would put it.

SWRichmond's picture

if I had to design a system to control billions of units of production called humans it would look a lot like Christianity

drstrangelove73's picture

You're thinking of Marxism.
But,nice try

SWRichmond's picture

A Flying Spaghetti Monster whose gift to humanity is constant and unrelenting focus on their guilt is a perfect tool for suppressing humans: you get them to suppress themselves with self doubt, uncertainty and self sacrifice.

Squiddly Diddly's picture

"focus on their guilt is a perfect tool for suppressing humans: you get them to suppress themselves with ....... self sacrifice."

So the creator God/Man offers Himself as a guilt offering for others who being liberated from guilt "suppress" themselves by doing good works for others. Brilliant.

"if I had to design a system to control billions of units of production called humans it would look a lot like Christianity"

Having demonstrated a failed grasp Of Christianity how do you a product of impersonal evolutionary time and chance propose to design a system to control persons ("billions of units of production called humans") made in the image of God. God is good, man (you and me) not so much. I appreciate God in His infinite wisdom did not appoint you to design the system. I'll stick with this one difficult as it is.

SWRichmond's picture

God is good, man (you and me) not so much.

Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point.  Humans who are convinced of their own "un-goodness" are less likely to act independently and are thus much easier to control.

Squiddly Diddly's picture

SWR Who holds your leash?

"Gotta Serve Somebody"-Dylan

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side
You may be working in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Rom 6: 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,c you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,

bunzbunzbunz's picture

I hope you are trolling, because you continue proving his point. Everything you say is evidence of complete indoctrination rather than objective thought.

SWRichmond's picture

You're thinking of Marxism.
But,nice try

No, I am thinking of Christianity.  If you can get people to enslave themselves with guilt and self doubt, you have no need of the guns otherwise required to enforce Marxism.  In fact, Americans are among the most heavily armed people on the planet, yet we tolerate in-your-face tyranny, dished out to us with ever-increasing overtness by a small cadre of obvious sociopaths bent on destroying everything, including us, as long as there's a profit in it for them.  Why?  Because:

  1. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's
  2. Because we are all imperfect humans and who are we to judge
  3. Because killing is immoral (unless we do it at the behest of the state, of course)
  4. (list your favorite Christian parable here)

Chrisitanity begins with the statement that we all are sinners (guilty) and we need external forgiveness.  It's a perfect vehicle to get people to wallow in self-doubt.  I promise you, our overlords do not share this self-doubt, but I can also promise you that they are very happy for you to have it, and for you even to wear it proudly.

Doña K's picture

If you want to see the future, check out the young.

I took a look and it aint pretty.

vie's picture

I can't tell if I'm getting old and crotchety or if most the young are all actually as retarded as they seem.

With the currently pop culture, hard to blame them... but again, that sounds old and crotchety.

silentplatform's picture

It's a fact, every new generation is more retarded than the previous. I can see it happening with my bare eyes - the overlords are winning.

Squiddly Diddly's picture

" I promise you, our overlords do not share this self-doubt, but I can also promise you that they are very happy for you to have it, and for you even to wear it proudly."

Because God is just "our overlords" will face God's judgement too.

Lk 12: 42And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? 43Blessed is that servanti whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. 45But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful. 47And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. 48But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.

FreedomGuy's picture

SWR, you are precisely that which you claim to resist. The fact that your theology and especially Christian theology sucks and is self serving may make you a good atheist but not much else. I suspect you do not understand the connections between the theology you decry and the roots of Western civilization.

There are no overlords in Christianity. Exactly who are the Christian overlords? In Catholicism there is a Pope. In Protestantism there is no central authority. In both there is no one who runs anyone's life like the government. You do not even understand your first enumerated point, do you? What do you think that means?

You think you are perfected in any way? You would be a great leftist. The Left starts and ends with arrogance and believes in both the perfected ruler and the perfectable man. Government (force) is the way. It is not a matter of conscience. Those governments have this very interesting hostility to the very religions you say empower the overlords. If that were the case then Stalin, Mao and the others would have warmly embraced religion, especially that Christian one. Yet, they look at them as competitors and immediately act in the temporal world to subjugate them. This should not happen given your assertions.

The reason is that the kings, comrades and overlords do not like competition. They do not like any authority higher than themselves, any competing contrarian philosophies and consciences get in the way of what they want to do.

I live in the real world and I know you will find this all unconvincing, but I just like to stake out a position contrary to your juvenile boiler plate assertions and insults. Your type of insults actually have the very real effect of undermining the strength and veracity of your assertions. It is weakness.

Mr. Ed's picture

Forget overlords, governments, western civilization for a moment and pay attention to what SWR is saying:  Christianity,  Catholicism (and I would say practically every belief system throughout history) has damaged people.

Focus on that.  What do these systems of belief do to your ability to think and act?  If you are unable to separate that issue from others, then you are the perfect victim.

And you are the perfect toolWHO uses you or not (overloards, king, governments, religions, etc) is separate discussion.  If you can't separate these issues, you are lost before you begin.

thatthingcanfly's picture

In the context of the summed total of good/evil contributed to the world, Christianity in general, and Roman Catholicism in particular, stands tall leading the "good" category. See, in no particular order: the sonnets of Shakespeare, the symphonies of Mozart and Beethoven, the paintings of Michaelangelo, the science that led to Western Civ. golfing on the moon, the single-breasted suit (but not the pretentious double-breasted, yuck), shoes, Eli Whitney's cotton gin. the internal combustion engine, the abolition of slavery in all countries under the umbrella of Western Civ. by the year 1900, running water, electricity, countless cathedrals spread across Europe, the elevation of women to a revered status from a status of sex slavery, deep-sea exploration, landing a spacecraft on a comet, IPA beer, etc.

Ergo, I would argue, your demand is not for focusing on the most important thing, but for fixating on minutia. Ask yourself: Who has demanded you to take this position, and what does that person/group stand to gain from your taking it?

The perfect tool is you.

Check your premises.

Mr. Ed's picture

"...your demand is not for focusing on the most important thing"   ?.  Demand?

You missed part of my point: before you can focus on anything, you have to separate these issues.  The key issue here isn't who "stands tall" or "stands" best, worst, etc.  The question right here, right now, as raised by SWR is what effect do belief systems, such as your own for example, have on a person's capacity for critical thought and rational action.