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The Japanization Of Europe In 9 "Different This Time" Charts

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Still convinced it's different this time? Think again... these 9 charts suggest Europe is very much on its way to Japan... and remember Japan was doing QE through this period too...

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"People often frame problems both in Japan and in the Euro area in terms of deflation... [so they] tend to think that they are monetary problems that can be easily solved by monetary policy, and poor policy prescriptions can result.” - Masaaki Shirakawa

Clearly that is not working!

Source: Goldman Sachs

 

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Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:22 | 5480263 HedgeAccordingly
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Moar! ponzi .. or Donzi? those boats are fast..

http://hedgeaccordingly.com/2014/11/marc-faber-japans-bond-buying-progra...

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 07:09 | 5480936 Haus-Targaryen
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So "Europe" is fucked? Good. End this monstrosity and split it in half.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 09:47 | 5481162 old naughty
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For fuk (ah, i mean fuk-u) sake, please save Japan, so save the world.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:41 | 5480302 Philo Beddoe
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Japan is actually less fucked up than Europe, IMO. 

If Europe could have done what Japan has done....they would have.  Kuroda wipes his ass with a picture of Draghi. 

It is a RACE to the bottom not a NEGOTIATION to the bottom. 

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:46 | 5480317 remain calm
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Japan is absolutely more fucked. Look at a balance sheet. Besides the European countries hold the most gold reserves of anyone in the world. Japan holds dick(tiny amounts)

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:50 | 5480326 Cognitive Dissonance
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I hope you aren't saying the Japanese have tiny dicks. Because you might just loose in a pissing contest. :-)

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 04:08 | 5480856 winchester
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real men do not piss contest.

 

sorry, kid.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:54 | 5480340 Philo Beddoe
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The balance sheets are meaningless. If they were important you would not see yields where you see them now. Just look at the PBOC reaction the the BOJ.  

Gold? I hold gold. I am this close to firing it for not doing its job.  

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 23:00 | 5480498 tc06rtw
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Not doing its job? . . .  it does its  job  PERFECTLY !

 It  never changes — it  always stays the same

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 00:53 | 5480688 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Oops except when they can put the dollar price wherever they want it. Until you can pay in ounces you still need the bits of green paper. Tragic

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 00:28 | 5480657 TheReplacement
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Europe did not invade and slaughter millions of Chinese in living memory.  Japan did.

Everything else is just passing time until the day.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 08:46 | 5481065 BrosephStiglitz
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Nah.  Europe is boned.

Whereas Japan will probably suffer a currency collapse, their private sector is still pretty competitive (even though S. Korea and Taiwan are nipping at their heels.)

Their population issues are a problem today, but a collapse in the high tax and welfare burdens will see their economy doing ok.

Europe has deeper structural, political and cultural issues.  I don't really see a happy ending in either case in the near-term, but at least Japan can easily name their enemies, and they know where their problems are located.  Europe on the other hand is all over the place.

PS: Both Europe and Japan are highly dependent on foreign energy supplies.  Now I might be spuriously correlating those two factors, but it is worth considering at least.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 08:57 | 5481070 FredFlintstone
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Japan's prospects are better, I agree. They are a homogenous society and I believe that its people still have some semblance of duty and honor. For instance elderly citizens volunteered to clean up Fukushima. Europe like the US is becoming Balkanized.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 22:49 | 5480472 Yen Cross
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 Remember when you were a kid and got a " Matchbox Car ™ " racetrack.

 When you juiced it too much the cars levitated~~~  That's Japan.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:46 | 5480315 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Clearly that is not working!"

Well........only if you are one of the 95%. And it is most definitely working if you are one of the 0.01%.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 21:58 | 5480349 holdbuysell
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This whole thing collapses when the masses repudiate debt, as was the case in the US Great Depression.

We're close, as the governments are picking up the slack and the masses are simply tapped out, can't get debt, or refuse to get it.

To use a line from the 'War Games':

I've come to the general conclusion that this monetary system sucks.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 22:12 | 5480379 disabledvet
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Just follow Plan Hitler and everything will be fine Europe.

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 22:15 | 5480386 Felix da Kat
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In all probability, there is an X-factor in all of this whose effect will defy all logical conclusions. Too many of these Z-hedge, end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it scenerios ignore counter-force or contrarian possibilities because it might weaken the story's premise and its desired effect. Such opinion pieces should be edited for greater comprehensiveness. 

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 00:31 | 5480658 TheReplacement
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For example?  Got a counter-force or contrarian possibility?

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 22:38 | 5480442 starman
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Ok I gott this! 30 year auto loans from age 12 and 10 year free interest on 40 year home loans!

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 22:45 | 5480466 Yen Cross
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 I'll bet Dennis Gartman is looking for ideas on Z/H tonight.

 I'm long copper in $Zimbabwe terms.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 03:00 | 5480810 fazsha2
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Yuck yuck yuck. Gartman: "I bought gold a week ago Wednesday in ringgit, then shorted it against the krona the following Monday.  (Gee, I hope they don't care to look any of this up - I just want to be viewed as a 'playa')."

Sun, 11/23/2014 - 23:29 | 5480574 AdvancingTime
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The falling value of both the yen and euro will reek havoc through contagion. For months the major world currencies had traded in a narrow range as if held in limbo by some great force. This has allowed people to think we were on sound footing as central banks across the world continued to print and pump out money chasing the "ever elusive growth" that always appears to be just around the corner. Recently several major currencies made multi-year highs or lows depending on the match-up .

The Fed recently whacked the dollar down but for how long? Because of weak demand for goods and most of this freshly printed money flowing into intangible investments inflation has not been a major problem, but the seeds for its future growth have been planted everywhere. John Maynard Keynes said By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.

While there are not many Bond Vigilantes there are a slew of  Currency Vigilantes and they are ready to make their presence known. Weakness in the value of the Yen, Pound, and Euro must not go unnoticed. More on why this may be a signal that currency trading is about to get very wild in the article below. Please note, this may also be sending a signal that the whole system is unstable and the stock market could drop like a stone due to contagion.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/09/caution-alert-currencies-may-get-wild.html

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 00:50 | 5480685 tarabel
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Golly, another cut-and-paste job that still contains the same typo as always. I'll bet your article is just as carefully crafted and reasoned as this oft-repeated advertisement.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 04:15 | 5480861 jubber
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10y Spanish Bonds under 2% for the first time EVER ....insanity

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 05:55 | 5480902 THE DORK OF CORK
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Net migration figures in Europe the highest + in the world , Japan still attempts to remain a closed society which means energy consumption per person is likely to be much higher in Japan.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 06:06 | 5480905 THE DORK OF CORK
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Net migration figures Y2010

Japan :270,000

Spain: 2.25 million

Italy : 2 million

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 06:24 | 5480911 THE DORK OF CORK
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Youth unemployment the result of the above policy of European and domestic national capitalists.

The jobs are mostly pointless but what's more important is that the youth in Europe are denied any real purhasing power which makes family formation almost impossible until late in life for native people.

Mon, 11/24/2014 - 06:34 | 5480914 THE DORK OF CORK
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Subtract the effects of international net migration flows in Europe which help to increase  birth rates for a short time and  the demographics are much worse in Europe......

 

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