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NATO To Deploy Tanks In Eastern Europe Shortly After VP Of Europarliament Says Ukraine-Russia War Imminent
Just when global financial markets had shrugged off Ukraine as yet another 'storm in a teacup', it appears events are escalating rapidly once again. This morning saw European Parliament's Vice President Saryusz-Wolski warn "Russia's pressure on Ukraine is mounting high, further war imminent," to which Ukraine's President Poroshenko rapidly responded (via Twitter) rather ominously that a "third world war does not scare us," having noted earlier than Ukraine needs to achieve NATO membership. This then prompted NATO's top military commander to warn, he is "very concerned" that Russia's military build-up in the annexed Crimean region could be used as a launchpad for attacks across the whole Black Sea region; leaving the alliance confirming that NATO plans to deploy tanks in Eastern Europe.
The European Parliament Vice President Jacek Saryusz-Wolski tweeted (rather to the point)...
Russia's pressure on Ukraine mounting high, further war imminent.
— Jacek Saryusz-Wolski (@JSaryuszWolski) November 27, 2014
To which Ukrainian President Poroshenko replied
??????? ???????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????. ?????????, ??????????? ?? ????? ?? ??????????.
— ????? ????????? (@poroshenko) November 27, 2014
Roughly translated meaning "A 3rd World War does not scare... in fact, nobody is going to start it," adding
- *UKRAINE NEEDS TO ACHIEVE NATO MEMBERSHIP CRITERIA: POROSHENKO
- *UKRAINE TO HAVE UKRAINIAN AS SOLE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE: PRESIDENT
However, it seems the sabre-rattling continues... As Al-Jazeera reports, NATO's top military commander has said he is "very concerned" that Russia's military build-up in the annexed Crimean region could be used as a launchpad for attacks across the whole Black Sea region.
US General Philip Breedlove's comments late on Wednesday came amid fears in Kiev that Russian-backed rebels will try to grab more land in eastern Ukraine to establish a land corridor to Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in March.
"We are very concerned with the militarisation of Crimea," Breedlove said, following meetings with Ukraine's top political and military leaders in Kiev.
"The capabilities that are being installed in Crimea ... are able to exert influence over the entire Black Sea," he said, highlighting the influx of cruise missiles and surface-to-air rockets.
Russia's Defence Ministry said Wednesday that it had deployed a batch of 14 military jets to Crimea as part of a squadron of 30 that will be stationed on the peninsula.
Also on Wednesday, an OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) in eastern Ukraine was reportedly attacked with rocket-propelled grenades and anti-aircraft ammunition.
"These shots appear to have been fired from separatist-controlled territory," the US Department of State said n a statement on Thursday.
"Any attacks on, or threats to, OSCE monitors or equipment are unacceptable. We call on all parties to refrain from any actions that endanger the safety of the OSCE mission in Ukraine."
Which explains the decision to deploy tanks...
#NATO confirms plans to deploy tanks in eastern #Europe due to situation in #Ukraine - alliance's spokesman in #Moscow
— Sputnik (@SputnikInt) November 27, 2014
And the Russians to respond...
The United States is pushing Ukraine into the abyss of a civil war which has claimed thousands of lives, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told Asian counterparts on Thursday.
“American and NATO military forces are moving closer to Russia’s threshold and the US has intensified activity in former Soviet republics," he told an inaugural meeting of the South and South-East Asian Nations Defense Chiefs’ Dialogue in Colombo, Sri Lanka’s capital.
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It appears the situation is anything but contained...
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"War is imminent!"
It will be if NATO puts tanks in eastern Europe.
It looks like Biden screwed up again ... gee can these guys do anything right? either biden or kerry looks as if they are competing who can be the biggest loser ...
"Washington is pressuring Turkey to allow the use of the Incirlik airbase to U.S. war planes attacking extremists of the Islamic State.
"Why is somebody coming to this region from 12,000 kilometres away? I want you to know that we are against impertinence, recklessness and endless demands," he told a group of businesspeople in Ankara, in what the AFP agency said was "a clear reference to the U.S."
Relations between the United States and Turkey have deteriorated during the past months over the latter's reluctance to join a military coalition fighting against the Jihadis in Iraq and Syria.
U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden and Erdogan met last weekend in a bid to reconcile their positions, but the meeting ended without any discernible success.
According to Turkish officials, the danger from the Jihadis would be removed not by mounting air strikes against them - "but by overthrowing the regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad."
I dont see any news of re-escalation of the Russia Ukraine conflict on MSM of late ??? All I hear is the Dow and S&P are at all time highs and that the nas will follow suit real soon.
What the fuck they talking about...I thought everything was fixed, along with Ebola, and we are just worried about some immigration law that Obozo is trying to pass.
Thanksgiving, not Tanksgiving.
Here they go again... ramping up the bloodshed.
Why do we obey these people?
It is imminent, the freedom fighting side is saying it.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/11/24/project-ukraine-complete/
This outa be good. We haven't had a good old fashioned tank war in like forever. Load the pipes boys.
We can only hope citizen bystanders put enough drones in the air above to provide some good real time coverage for the masses.
We'll call it 'Survival: Ukraine Style.'
Central Banksters need moar war, must blame Russia for the imminent economic derivative collapse and subsequent theft of bank deposits, Cyprus style.
NATO is justifying their aggressive actions against Russia, accusing Putin of what the USSA did, overthrow the Ukrainian government to steal Donbass oil and gas, and Crimean resources.
Just saw this post on BI, normally the domain of Ukie idiots, but occasionally one finds a gem. I do not endorse all of his views but his perspective is worth considering.
Pavlos on Nov 27, 9:45 AM said:
“Give a man power and he will display his character” said Sophocles. What character did the West show when it was given nearly absolute global power after the collapse of the USSR? The Russians themselves had denounced the communist ideology and they were embracing principles of human rights. The Russians made far-reaching democratic reforms bringing an end to communist dictatorship. Humanity was validly hoping for a new era of global peace. How did the West respond?1. They chose to interpret, in bad faith, the end of the cold war as a defeat of Russia by western power rather than a free decision of their own to end the 70 year old communist experiment. First they encouraged Gorbachev to make the changes, and once Russia was destabilized and weakened, they embarked on a vicious drive for global hegemony.
2. Nato was not dissolved as was the case with the Warsaw Pact, an action which would have given a clear message that humanity was turning a new page of peace and prosperity.
3. Nato aggressively expanded eastwards near the Russian border despite assurances to the opposite.
4. Nato waged war against Iraq allegedly to free Kuwait even though the Iraqis were ready to withdraw, before the ground attack, in accordance with an initiative by Gorbachev.
5. Nato waged war against Yugoslavia to help secessionists Croats and Muslims, and in order to destroy Yugoslavia, a Russian ally.
6. Nato waged war against Serbia, a Russian ally, in order to help secessionist Kosovo Albanians.
7. The West covertly supported the Chechen separatists militarily in order to bring Russia to its knees.
8. Nato waged war against Iraq on a ludicrous pretext regarding weapons of mass destruction, and invaded Iraq.
9. Nato waged war and invaded Afghanistan, after the self inflicted 9/11 bombings, which were a false flagging operation.
10. Nato waged war against Libya after instigating a civil war.
11. The West instigated a civil war in Syria and was on the verge of attacking Syria had it not been stopped by Russian diplomacy and military deterrence.
12. The West helped destabilize Ukraine twice in order to prevent pro-Russian Yanukovich from being in power.
Generally, it is clear for someone who is honest, and who is not brain-washed by western media, that the West is trying to encircle and destroy Russia. The West is the aggressor and Russia is defending its status as a world power.
This of course raises the question: why is the West behaving so aggressively? The roots of the problem are historical, civilizational and theological. They are based on the fall of the western part of the Roman Empire as a result of invasions by barbaric tribes such as Franks, Teutons, Normans, Goths and Vandals. Despite initial theological resistance by the Roman Popes, subsequently the Franks imposed their own Frankish Popes leading to the Schism and the creation of an anti-Christian Frankish heresy (misleadingly called “Roman Catholic”) based on Frankish paganism and barbarity.
After centuries of oppression, the Roman people of the western part of the Roman Empire became assimilated with their oppressors. Of course, due to the civilizational superiority of the Romans, this civilization endured and was in part accepted by the invaders, but civilizational damage was also inevitable, not least in the theological sphere.
Furthermore, as e result of abandoning the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, i.e. the Orthodox Church, the peoples of the West became trapped in existential anxiety misleading them into harmful ideologies such as fascism, racism, colonialism, Marxism, atheism, materialism, individualism, Protestantism etc. This deviation from Orthodoxy and true Romanity also explains the schizophrenia of the West: At one glance it is organized, with admirable institutions, with great technological and artistic achievements. And at another glance, utterly barbaric!
The abandonment of the One Church, also created in the West a deep-seated complex directed against those peoples who remained within the Church. This complex manifests itself in a desire to see these peoples subjugated in order to destroy the evidence of their own betrayal of the Orthodox Church. This is not to say that all people in the West feel this way, but it was, for example, the driving force behind the West’s “crusader” aggression against the Roman Empire (misleadingly called “Byzantium” by western historians) and today it is the driving force behind the aggression against Russia which is the most powerful Orthodox state.
All of this aggression by the West and their drive for global hegemony amounts (even if we start counting from 1990 onwards) to millions of dead people (including children), misery, poverty and chaos. It is clear that what we are seeing by the West is a full return (with the help of western propaganda presenting black as white) to the fascist ideology of "might makes right" aiming to achieve full global control at any cost, in accordance with the equally fascist papal doctrine of "the end justifies the means". Russia is an obstacle to this barbarity and that is why it is targeted by the West.
For the sake of all humanity and civilization, we hope Christian Orthodox Russia is victorious in its resistance and that our brothers in the West see through the propaganda and denounce the fascist and aggressive policy of their elites which has transformed the world into a butcher’s house. We also hope that they will return to their mother, Orthodox Church, with whom they were connected before the Frankish invasion of the western part of the Roman Empire, and the imposition of the Frankish Papal heresy.
nato blablabla.
u.s. aggression blablabla.
stop bitching. the premise that the world is a place that can exist without major aggressoin and conflict pushed by empires has been falsified by studying 5000 years of history of civilizatoin.
the u.s. nato empire will destroy itself only when it is good and ready, and not out of the goodness of its heart for russian peaceniks.
its as if the ghosts of stalin have been forgotten. no my ruski commrad. the world is a boiling cauldron of aggression. and complaining about it won't make it any better for us proles. it just makes you look naive at best. i mean , you may as well complain hitler broke the molotov non agression pact with stalin. boohoo!. now fight!
The whole NATO charade is nothing more than a PR exercise. They are in no position to start or sustain a war, because they are ALL BANKRUPT. Done, stick a fork in it...
Incidentally, a tank is just a big fat target, without TOTAL air superiority to protect it from any serious challenge. Modern missiles just love tanks, as the last summer war in Donetsk proved it. Ukies were not able to secure any sort of air support (they lost quite a few aircraft trying it...). As result, over 60% of their mechanized hardware got burnt or blown to pieces. The fields of Donetsk are strewn with charred remains of former Ukie motorized brigades. This was the first conflict (in a long time) fought WITHOUT air support (out of necessity). I'm sure the results shocked some "folks" in the Pentagon, but not only...
The "collapse" of the Soviet Union was not a measured action. The move was one made on the eve of economic and political destruction. The Soviet inner circle met in a forest in 1989 and decided to feign collapse so that they could live to rob another day.
When your real economy is dead in the water, then you try making noise to get an artificial economy in place. The squeaky wheel gets the "grease". The tanks are immaterial. It's the money spent on logistics, supplies, etc that can then be grifted a little for the local politicos.
NATO is as flacid as a limp dick and Putin knows it... All the west can do is impose sanctions by fiat and pray Vlad doesn't push back...
These are the same M1 Tanks that we shipped over in August right?
like 20 Advanced SEP2 M1's.
That will stop the Russian Machine!
Like a 2" diameter tree branch stops an Asplundh Tree Shredder.
There is only really one thing that can be done and that doctorine was laid down long ago.
Put a force in place... One that you can afford to lose.
If it is overrun it will be used as a "trigger" to allow the use of tac-nuke.
That is what you are seeing here.
The PTB lack creativity and have gone back to the old ways of thinking/planning about Russia in Eastern Europe.
It's not like we have an army of our own "little green men" who speak russian, to send in there and subvert that pesky dominant paradigm and bring GMOs, Miley Circus and Gay marrige to the newly freed people of Red Commie Russia!
Send in Sean Penn to do some talking. "Like Vlad, bro, this is all like soooo bogus....hey man, don't worry, Obama is such a pussy...hey where did you get those sunglasses man, can I have them.."
Billy,
That would be an unconscionable War Crime.
There are treaties against using Sean Penn, Madonna, Justin Beiber and a raft of other "Folks" against Non 5 Eyes Countries.
The whole war in E. Europe meme has been baking away for quite a while.
I remember reading earlier this year about the USMC cracking into it's huge weapons caches/tunnels/caves in N. Europe and refitting/up armoring and adding new/upgraded inventory.
There have been numerous other bits of intel that point to a rather serious confrontation brewing..
But it won't be in E. Europe.. It will take place in a winding line drawn roughly from E. Africa through Syria, through E. Baltic/W. Med, winding up to Kaliningrad, with Finland, Sweden and Norway up for grabs too.
We'll be fighting China in Africa, Russia and China in the ME, Russia in Europe and the Russia and China in the Arctic.
We'll aslo not let a good crisis go to waste and Israel / K.S.A. would likely take a go at Iran, while India and Pakistan would naturally go at it as well. (Forgot Nork and ROK too!)
I guess my point is that we will be fighting a big multi-front war if things get going... I haven't even brought the Pacific Theatre into consideration and we are already impossibly streched.
The good news is: There will be lots of JOBS for the poor youth of Planet Earth.
I like your point of view, but what about nukes?
I don't think there can be a WW3 with nukes flying everwhere. It will just result in everyone dying.
Russia has these smart Grad rockets that will clear a battle field in seconds. Those tanks are pretty useless without airpower. Any F-15, F-16 or F-18 will be smokes by S-300/400/500 very quickly. They need to leave Russia alone.
The Russians are not to be messed with for sure.
It's not so much the equipment as it is the culture and the people.
This is a people that would strap a tank mine on a dogs back and set him loose to run under enemy tanks..
(at least willing to try it)
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
See: https://www.google.com/search?q=battle+of+stalingrad&client=firefox-a&hs...
Tell me what you think these guys are willing to go through to defend their homeland?
I'd love to think America is that determined.
Check out the Russian Buratino, their most deadly thermobaric weapon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv4GkXfuyj8
Amerika detrermined? Amerika lead the fifth column and dual citizens take control without firing a shot. I would welcome Putin. He cannot be worse than Obola.
The war porn point/counter-point can go all day. In the end it doesn't matter one bit. Any direct confrontation between the RF and NATO has a very high probability to go full retard (nukes). Neither side can afford to lose and will very likely escalate with nukes to keep it from happening.
There isn't any scenario where US troops are hoisting the Stars and Stripes on the Kremlin.
Putin's biggest threat comes from within Russia, there are forces in power determined to rip the country apart for fun and profit. IMO he's making slow and steady progress. I'm trying to pay attention to his gaining greater control of the central bank, he must throw the IMF fuckers out!
“There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this matters?”
As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge, the Russian response to the extra-legal ruling of a corrupt court in the Netherlands, which had no jurisdiction over the case on which it ruled, awarding $50 billion dollars from the Russian government to shareholders of Yukos, a corrupt entity that was looting Russia and evading taxes, is telling. Asked what Russia would do about the ruling, an advisor to President Putin replied, “There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this ruling matters?”
The West has ganged up on Russia, because the West is totally corrupt. The wealth of the elites is based not only on looting weaker countries whose leaders can be purchased (read John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for instruction on how the looting works), but also on looting their own citizens. The American elites excel at looting their fellow citizens and have wiped out most of the US middle class in the new 21st century. -- Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/28/war-coming-paul-craig-roberts/
War is how banksters balance their books. As long as they run the World, we will have wars.
Yep... "The Best Enemies Money Can Buy" by Antony Sutton. How the US funded the Soviet Unions military arms industry, which was arming the North Vietnamese before and during the Vietnam War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVWXmZB1wc
It goes back much further than that... The Rothschild family has been funding both sides of wars since the French Revolution...
Senator John McCain Receives Successful Arms Transplant
It was reported today from Cedars Sinai Medical Center that US Republican Senator John McCain has received a successful arm transplant operation. The first of it’s kind in medical history.
Senator McCain was renowned for his short arms which he claimed was a great asset when he was a US Navy fighter pilot however, they served little purpose in civilian life.
Sen McCain was known to have struggles in his personal life which could only be attributed to his short arms, his Republican cohorts were quoted as stating although anonymously.
“John has always seen to be a pain in the ass but if the truth be known, he always had a continual itch in that area which he could simply, never reach.”
“I know for a fact he tried numerous medications and at one stage, was addicted to worm medicine. He had to book himself into Rehab at one stage to worm his way out of that habit.”
“Then at another juncture John had prosthesis made up but he was never able to scratch that itch.”
The Republican Senator went on,
“These new arms should make John a much happier human being and a much happier Senator to the US Congress.”
“We’re all hopin that’s the case for sure! Maybe, it will even get him to relax his Arms to the Rebels mantra.”
Senator McCain was not available for comment and was naturally keeping the media at arms length. However, his spokesperson said that he’ll renew his position as Arizona Senator within a month of rest and rehabilitation.
Doctor Armstrong, Senator McCain’s’ transplant surgeon said that Senator McCain’s new arms will not just dangle at the front like his old ones did but, be fully normal to look at and operate.
He went on to say,
“Senator McCain has been a great servant of this country and once he has fully recovered I just want to shake his hand!”
He had an arm transplant but he nedd a brain translant ! That such an imbecille is in politics is a disgrace !
Aussie V....that was soo fuckin' funny I logged in just to give you a +1. Cheers X-
loggin'out now and continuing my evening with normal serious shite ;)
Escrava Isaura, Yes to everything, save this: there won't be any war.
The USA won't wage a direct war against the Russians, because what if the Russians win? America would be instantly detroyed, and I mean psychologically, to its very foundations. In would come riots, disobedience, mass protests... the country would literally disintegrate. And the Russians are much stronger than the MSM media say. So forget it, too risky.
So then, Nato? No. Nato is broke. There is barely any real Nato army. It can't hope to last a week in front of a determined Russia. Plus, no European has any beef with Russia, so whatever troops they would be able to gather would be even less motivated than the Ukrainian army against the Novorossians. And these troops would be loudly booed by about 90% of the UE population.
Paul Craig Roberts is absolutely right about the Western looting and corruption, but he ignores the state of 1) the Nato finances and 2) the EU public opinion.
Lea,
I would love to believe that you're right. And I have the highest regards about your postings.
I would change my mind thus obviously agreeing with you that the world-war would not happen, if the US and West Europe would declare Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Ain’t gonna happen!
So, I strongly believe that bankrupted corporate capitalism is on its way to destroy the world. Self-destruction is built in into their system.
The elite know that easy money (QE, government deficits) are not working. As the next meltdown (2016) approaches, elite reckless and desperation will be raised to a level of total desperation.
“One of the most pathetic aspects of human history is that every civilization expresses itself most pretentiously, compounds its partial and universal values most convincingly, and claims immortality for its finite existence at the very moment when the decay which leads to death has already begun.” -- Reinhold Niebuhr
I tend to agree, self-destruction is built into the system. I think its cyclical. To illustrate:
A modern nation under fiat debt control is akin to a people farm. In the initial part of the cycle, the extension of fiat credit allows for the expansion of the farm, investments in infrastructure, and progresses toward the rearing and shearing of greater numbers of consumer livestock. The farm grows. Debt grows. Payments received for debt grow. But, due to the laws of diminishing returns and compounding interest, the farm eventually reaches a point where shearing the existing stock no longer pays for the interest demanded by the creditors. The farm, while remaining somewhat productive, is rendered unprofitable. In this phase of the cycle, the operations of the farm tends toward skinning the livestock, with no attention paid to growing the herd or maintaining its condition. At the final stage in the cycle, the farm and all its flock must be liquidated. The land is cleared, and the cycle can begin again.
The liquidation phase is called war. We are not seeing desperation here, but rather the planned liquidation of a farm by creditors who explicitly profess people to be nothing more than cattle. Our democratically-elected/creditor-selected managers are complicit in the process. End the credit, end the cycle. Eliminate the creditors, or be slaughtered anew.
Great explanation. It makes perfect sense.
I am gonna save your post. I found it really telling.
Thanks.
By the way: We live in a finite planet; so the cyclical aspect will end.
I think would be great if you could write a post over the weekend and lets us know in how ‘this’ new phase (the end of the cyclical phase because of the finite planet) would play out.
Tic Tok Tic Tok Tic Tok Tic Tok Tic Tok Tic Tok......................................................
Learn to Love the bomb..
"Tanks For The Memory" will be the theme of Obummer's plan for a hot war in mittel Europe. The events here and in Syria, where Obummer's support of regime change has led to the deaths of over a hundred thousand civilians (many at the hands of the U.S. created and funded al-Qaeda/ISIS/ISIL/Khorasan), point to the inescapable conclusion that Obummer is a traitor working for the New World Order. For more on the types of people who work at the NWO, go to: http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79139-the-british-establishment-paedo...
Its almost a certainty that an attempt on E Ukraine is about to unfold, nicely coinciding with Hagels step down
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/11/21/2014-27856/delegatio...
I think Russia will be forced to step in this time officially and probably fuck the Kiev regime quick and effective.
Man, this "Smart Diplomacy" is workin' out great, innit? Thank goodness we have "Our Best and Brightest" on it or we could be on the verge of another WAR! Whoooeee!!
Greater Israel and the Zionist banksters are willing to sacrifice as many Goy as it takes to gain Syria, a pipeline route, water, and Russia beholden to them.
An American, not US subject.
Lebanon and Gaza are also in the way for control of the offshore gas feilds.
"Lebanon and Gaza are also in the way for control of the offshore gas feilds."
A poster here on ZH on or around the "Syria gassing people" thing in the summer of 2013 said to expect an invasion of Gaza and then Lebanon in the coming year. He cited the gas fields as the real reason; also water in Lebanon.
He also said the next shoe to drop on Syria would be in the Ukraine.
2 of the three have come true.
I agreed with his predictions, told friends and family, and now my fiends and family think I have a chrystal ball or something. While that's great, the main benefit is that they are paying more attention to Zionism, Greater Israel, and the like.
An American, not US subject.
Tanks giving.
It aint cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl_ydH4B-18
Maybe I will paint the 30yr bond rate the day ww3 starts on that m48 at the local park. On the main gun ala fury. That way we will know next time
Spray paint whatever you like. I trust your NBC gear is up to date; you may need it in the not-too-distant future.
"Tanks giving."
You mean
TanksgivingAre we all supposed to forget "Porky" Poroshenko has been a state deptartment mole since 2006? Who gives a fuck what this puppet says!
"It turns out that Poroshenko, was exposed by a leaked diplomatic cable released by wikileaks in 2008 as having worked as a mole for the U.S. State Department since 2006. They referred to him as "Our Ukraine insider" and much of the cable referred to information that he was providing. (A separate cable showed that the U.S. knew Poroshenko was corrupt even at that point.)"
The Geopolitics of World War IIIEeeeeebooooolllaaa,oh, wrong meme....sorry
Nice to know that World War Three is no longer a deterrent. It was fun while it lasted, but these psychopaths are going to get us all killed.
Happy ThANKSgiving
I would not want to be in any of those sitting ducks called tanks.
Theirs not to reason why
That´s the reason we gave German tanks to the Poles and others to do the fighting. No matter how good your tank is and how well trained the crew, if you don´t have 110% air superiority a lot of your tank crews are doomed. And NATO will not have total air superiority against the Russians.
Oh come on, NATO can easily push all the way to Volga. And I have just found the perfect guys for the job.
I´m sure we have some old plans for pushs to the Volga in the archive somewhere we can provide you. And good luck for the rest, because we German will not be part of it.
Germans would love to push through the Volga, we know you want to. This time you will also have France on your side.
Nope, we learned a lot from the English after WWII. We let the other dumb bastards do the fighting for our interests now.
Oh come on, NATO can easily push all the way to Volga. And I have just found the perfect guys for the job.
There's something odd about that units patch. Very curious. /s.
Yeah but it is someone elses kids so they don't give a rats arse if they die
Boy do you have that right. Talk about a rolling suicide trap. Amazing how money is still poured into that technology.
FUCK NATO
And fuck you too, Breed Love.
And fuck ALL Cunt world leaders on this Thanksgiving day.
Memo to Porky Pig:
As long as you claim to be fighting the Russians, or have any territorial disputes with the Russians (like not admitting that Russia has lawful sovereignty over Crimea), Ukraine CANNOT join NATO.
It is called the North Atlantic TREATY Organization. You might want to read the bylaws before applying for membership. Didn't that same ignorance cost you all your gold when you signed on the dotted line with the EU and IMF without reading the fine print in their rules.
Putin has stated, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, that he will DESTROY the State of Ukraine, before it is allowed to join NATO.
So PORKY, are you SUICIDAL, or just STUPID?
The separatists must be winning again.
Could we be looking at a cover story for high gold prices, in case the Swiss vote goes "yes"?
Hummm......
Nah....
It doesn't matter how the Swiss vote. They're not doing the counting.
It looks like the Yes contingency doesn't have the votes anyway...
These morons are hell bent in causing a major war. The catalyst for war has not been diminished as many people have hoped it would once the world matured. National pride, political agendas, religious and ethnic hatreds are some of the biggest roadblocks to world peace. Often we seem to forget as we look back to World War II and past a dozen "lesser Conflicts" peace has been the exception rather then the rule for hundreds and thousands of years.
The true reality is that across the world few mothers want to see their children killed and most farmers want to be left along to raise their crops and earn a living. Though we live in an imperfect world mankind should not bring more misery upon himself by self inflicting injury. More on the subject of war as a solution to conflict in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/war-and-what-is-it-good-for.html
The war has already been caused because of the policy of "isolation" (making all of Russia pay for what is the problem...IF IT IS A PROBLEM....of just a few folks.
As Amweica burns it would appear that it is we who have been "isolated" isolated...both in our language, thought and deed.
"Burn the bitch down." Fer real?
I think we're all in need of some holiday uplift. I know I could some. Something tells me we're not going to get it.
Happy Abraham Lincoln Day for all you who don't understand why we reserve this day for a day of Thanks.
insane elite reptiles truly insane idea..as if keeping power is the only goal- they will kill us all for power. the west has no NO moral standing after years of police actions and wasted deaths of people across the globe..no soldier can say we are right to kill for these snakes who rule like no other villian of history..how about nobody dies and we just stop the madness, that is my prayer for this thanksgiving, give me liberty.
That translates more like "You don't have to scare/threaten us with third world war".
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Well he's not going to get any respect if he keeps talking like that.
90% of the things I read about the US/EU doing these these days leave me talking like that. WHAT THE ____?
That because US and Saudi worry about the oil price, need to make more war to stimulate growth.
If WWIII started, I wonder how many idiots would show up to fight it.
Not to worry, they have radiologocal home delivery for free.
Knucks...
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Once it get to the house... Its Radio-biological.
"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
~ Some brainy dude.
"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
~ Some brainy dude.
Once they got you in the killing fields you (like me, Vietnam) find your fighting for YOUR life and all those patriotic slogans go right down the tube.
I'm waiting for the ussa to start drafting again. Once that happens you can bet there will be war.
Actually, reinstating the draft might go a long way toward ending these bullshit wars. Once you've got some "skin" in the game, you're not as likely to sit back and be a spectator. Quite frankly, I wish they would bring back the draft. You'd see people back in the streets again protesting like it's 1968. Having a "professional" army was one of the worst things we've done. Huge mistake. It gave the bankers and TPTB their own private army, to do with as they please.
I'm not worried about Russia. Yesterday the passengers had to get out of a plane and push. I saw a great photoshop of Putin looking out the plane window.
Yeah... So True...
Here we just sit out on the tarmac and watch the Toilets overflow for 7 hours...
Then when the blue-goo is sloshing around ankle deep on the floor, they fire up a riding lawn mower and tow you back to the terminal.
Once the 200+ "folks" are re-integrated with normality at the airport, someone will consider maybe lawyering up over it.
We clearly have em licked in the initiative department huh?
I'm in Odessa now, visually many more Ukraine Navy personal walking the streets now. Could be something going on? Your guess is as good as mine. .... Just saying.
Do keep us posted. Will you be in country long?
Update you asked for:
I'm out of country now, but, was there for 3 weeks right on city center by Opera House where blocked off street starts (Pit sky in?).
There were a great deal more "Navy Boys" everywhere in this historic part of town.
Only my opinion here; Looked to be new recruits on shore leave for the first time.
I did go out to the port, there were several Ukraine Navy ships tied up in port.
Odessa Port (Still Ukraine's) is not very far from Sevastopol Port (Crimea Russian Annexed (read stolen) )
Army trucks running around town, going someplace.
Plenty off police officers out on the streets during the first snow of the winter there, doing there regular corrupted thing. (read, give me money and you can go trick. Bastards)
I've been there several times now, and this time I noticed a bigger military presence, then from before.
You can read what ever you'd like into my observation.
I was under the impression that they started working on the old abandon naval and sub bases in Sevastpol and Odessa from the time they arrived in the Crimea.
If that is the case, they may have completed enough buildout and refit of those bases to account for the additional personnel that seem to be present.
Have you seen construction? Dredging?
Any work they did in Sevastopol matters little. It is part of Crimea. Were the Ukies stupid enough to attack Crimea, Russia will wipe their army off the map, NATO or not.
Yea, those Nazis are up to something. With Nazi ussa, nato, and euro arms and advice they think they're gonna kill all the Ruskies in the East and take back Crimea. The new final solution.
Where's that damn Israel with all this Nazi crap. Not a peep. All my life I've watched them track down Nazis but when a whole gaggle of them take over a country,,, mums the word. And my tax money funds them noacounts. Oh, that's right, They got their own little final solution going. A bird of the feather....
Word "Nazi" has many different meanings, application
Now applied to Western Ukr Pollack crazies wanna bees
weakling copiers of some history as brainwashing they recieved
Any real SS Battalion resurrected would end these Banderas
the Uks have a navy??
Worthless rusted hulks inherited from the Soviets.
Big Hat, No Cattle
they been whining to be given someones leftovers
probably get something still floating at US Taxpayer expense
split bribes and strip sell off what they can
It won't do them any good...
You would be walking also if had not decent boat...
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It might be related to Poroshenko's plan to disband the Ukrainian Navy.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/11/24/poroshenko-set-to-disba...
I am a Canadian, want no part of this. Dont want our stupid Government involved either. If you Americans want to go play John Wayne over there, that is up to you.
Me I got nothing against Russians. I know the Ukrainians owe the Russians money for heating fuel, this is just too convenient and the bill is due soon, this war bullshit is too convenient.
Let the Ukrainians talk to the Russians, in the end that will happen anyway without lives being lost.
cherry you read the mood of the american pulbic very wrong..we are tired of all this theater ..many of us want what the founding fathers wanted>>limited foreign interventions no treaties of entanglement and war. we are bled dry of wealth and sons.
The problem is you lost control of a government who tells you what to do, just like Canada, but there is just too much space, too few people to enforce, unless this techno spying and Amazon and Google drones are mounted with a few barrels and ammo, to quiet the dissenters.
The only way to fix this problem is for once to unite, left and right, and demand they stop this bs. Until that happens, this will continue and WW111 will happen. That will be the Apocolypse.
Hmm,
As far as I know, Canada is a part of NATO since 1949.
It's important to realize the complete disconnect of the Citizens of the United States from the U.S. Gov. itself. It's been this way since 1963.
The vast majority of U.S. citizens could not give a rats ass about anything happening outside of the country. The relatively small group or groups that do care have interests outside the U.S. as well as a disproportionate amount of wealth and power.
I agree with you TP. I do have issue with cherry picker suggesting that American citizenry is for such actions. Then I realize that cherry picker is doing just that, cherry picking.
Otherwise, cherry picker would know that Canada is and has participated through NATO.
Canadian NATO delegation trolled Russian border and accidently provided Russians with maps of Ukraine (as if Russia even needed it)
http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-nato-russia-ukraine-putin-2014-8
Canadian NATO delegation mocks Russia on Twitter
http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/08/canadas-nato-delegatio...
Canada is a founding member of NATO. So how is that for Cherry Picking?
How disconnect?
Could not pull most of the govt titte with traktor...
from freeshit army to the real one
Small is those already disconnected
minority
But agree is growing numbers
but those find themselves more blocked everyday
I am a Canadian, want no part of this.
I hear you, but the way this guy sing I wouldnt bet on that ... look at Bibi's face ... is written all over what he is thinking "what a moron"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCgnmROBczU
I'm English, want no part of it either. Partly because I don't want to have to sit through Lapdog Dave squeeling from the pulpit as his chubby red face wobbles about like a slapped scrotum. Ugh.
That made me spray!
The Brits have such a unique way of phrasing things.
lol.
Man, I have to go pinch a loaf after that......
I am an American, want no part of this.
Ditto
So am/was I. That's why I closed shop, packed up and moved to (somewhat) neutral Switzerland.
Oh wait, that the previous POTUS and his insane deployment of US tanks abroad... Rinse, Repeat.
Why can't this shit ever change?
But, but, the Cannuks have been the prime choice as cannon fodder for the Anglo-American empire for centuries. Remember "Operation Jubilee"? Guess Canadians will be among the first who have to die for Queen and bankster interests.
Who has tanks in Central Europe ? Only the British on their 1300 man exercise and the Uk has what, 200 tanks ? Wait until they meet an Iskander.......
This is to prop up the Poles whose provocation of neighbours is boundless
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10995964/British-tanks-jo...
Military sources said the British detachment was likely to be made up of the Kings Royal Hussars and would include around 20 Challenger tanks. The exercises will be in the Zagan training area in South West Poland.
PS It is cheaper for Britain to use the old Warsaw Pact tank ranges in Poland than pay farmers in Germany or Britain for damage
UK has maintained armoured divisions in Germany since the end of WW2 (because of the Russians). There are large areas in Germany used for joint NATO exercises.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Germany#Present
This is outdated, the British are in the process of leaving Germany completely over the next 9 months.
True (well, by 2020 entirely), but the question was 'who has tanks in Europe?'. 7th Armoured are still there at present, still 12,000 personnel there.
The 7th lost it´s "armoured" status a short time ago and is pretty much inoperable right now due to the process of leaving Germany. I´m not sure if those tanks are still in Germany or not, but even if they are it´s highly unlikely that they can be activated in a short time.
Apologies, just did some digging and I see you're right, they handed over and became infantry a short time ago. Hmm, couldn't find anything out about the armour. How do Germans feel about it all at present? Must be good in a way as it must feel like the end of an occupation, but not so great for local economies?
Most western Germans don´t/didn´t see those troops as an occupation force because they where allies in the cold war era. And it´s of course hard for the local economy if an army post closes down but that´s not much different if a post of the German army closes down. But sometimes it´s even a chance to reuse those old military installations for new businesses, developping apartment houses or all kinds of cultural purposes.
Here is the fucking Canadian that SHOULD be on the St Louis Fed Reserve Board...
I want him to move to America and kick some sense into us.
Hell, I bet he'd even give us back any stuff the crooked Canadians stole from us... If he could find it.
Don't miss the Syrian no fly zone calls by telephone turks, france, un and us. But NATS says cost intensive so "hedging". Syrian fm in Russia yesterday.
...and in Sri Lanka spring continues or at least makes a come back...
When the first NATO mortar shell or bullet lands inside Russian territory do the market(s) have permission to collapse?....
And if it's anything bigger than those two I just mentioned it certainly won't matter!!!!
NATO had better cut the crap before they bite more than they can chew. Nobody in Europe is willing to fight against Russia. Unless the US wants to fight this one alone I don;t see the point in this posturing.
My masters thesis back in 1993-94 was written about NATO "out of area operations" after the dissolution of Yugoslavia. Got a D- back then as I was informed by the Intellects That Be that "NATO would be dead in six months.". Dropped out school, joined the military (who paid that education thank you very much) and have been laughing...sadly...ever since.
The War Plan is Yugolsavia.
Move along...
Hey dv
Strap on your leg, arm or (both) and take your pill cause I think they will be needing your help in the immediate future -whether it's Ferguson, the ME or Eastern Europe!
PS
I would have given you a C+ on your thesis only because if I were your professor I would have gotten a good laugh out of it! What a difference 20 years makes partner!
The great chess game is right on schedule !
I hope those who play don't think that chess is game in which the WINNER is preordained, and not a logic process !
But something tells me those who play it don't care about winning or losing but about making sure the GAME NEVER ENDS.
'Cos that is where the gravy is !
Putin is playing chess and the west is play Chinese checkers... As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth"... This is what's coming and Vlad will not give any indication before he lights up NATO like a Roman candle...
The whole Ukraine thing has become a laughing stock around the world.
If I understand correctly MSM, Poroshenko, Washington, Westminster and Brussels, Russia has already invaded Ukraine about 7 times, even though nobody can put a date on it. Now Russia's building up forces in Crimea in prep for an invasion across the Black Sea region. Or is it preparing itself for an invasion by the chief warmonger: NATO? Who knows.
As for "European Parliament Vice President Jacek Saryusz-Wolski", I've never even heard of him but his name looks dubious to me. Is he one of them there "elected" Euro MEP types living off the backs of Euro taxpayers?, who maybe comes from one of the East Euro countries.
I counted 12 separate occasions when the msm declared that "Russia had invaded" in the last 6 months alone and pretty much a daily drip of hysteria about russian volunteers fighting in East Ukraine ignoring of course the arms supplies, "military advisors" and mercenaries from the west filling up Kiev to the brim.
I thought we might have cooler heads when we got a new Secretary General of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, replacing the previous whore for Washington, Anders Fogh Rasmussen (The very same lying bastard who sold the Iraq WMD bullshit all over the EU for his masters back in 2002-2003). But nothing changes these days when puppets are selected for positions of influence - it must be something to do with the NSA's blanket surveillance.
All wars are banker's wars anyway. One glance at the charts and ledgers on the squids' private central banks should tell us that they are desperate to start a conflagration to divert attention from their wholesale looting and abject failures. We used to have great men in political power at these inflexion points in history who saw this clearly about the MIC/Finance/Political triad, but I don't think we have any left these days in the west, except perhaps Dr.Paul and he's retired. I know whose side I am on if the bastards start another war and that's a piece of cognitive dissonance I'll have to reconcile considering I have been vehemently anti-war most of my adult life. There is no bloody way I am going to do nothing while our governments prepare to start WWIII to kill us all or kill off another generation of young people at best, to prop up a bunch of zionazis in Kiev.
Indeed. The absence of a single sane leader in the west may explain exactly why the world is drifting towards war. These nutters don't learn from history.
"...nothing changes these days when puppets are selected for positions of influence"
Nowadays the elites all come out of the same chocolate factory.
is this why hagel "resigned"?
And maybe it's why Cameron warned of Crash II last week (!)
Who they buying the oil from to move those suckers around?
Another Pole standing on someone else's shoulders to shout abuse at the Russians. The EU has given these mentally challenged dwarves a sense of power that goes to their heads. No doubt the unbeliebly stupid British and headbanger Americans will take the bait and rush into another quagmire where they look absolute morons.
Germany will put up Mutti Merkel to do her piece and mouth platitudes and China and India will focus on weapons build up for the now inevitable showdown with the US.
They should let Ferguson burn, it might be the least scorched-earth part of the US as things continue.
This is Cuba Crisis Cubed; they miscalculated then and did not know tactical nukes were already on Cuba and would have been used if the Us had not removed its rockets from Turkey
seems to me a yes vote on sgr is bad for china since theyre not done accumulating and bad for russia if they want gold for gas from ukraine
Cold winds coming in from Siberia to Germany this weekend....
http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article134747709/Aus-Sibirien-kommt-die-K...
"Aus Sibirien kommt die Kältezunge"Es wird kälter in Deutschland – und der erste Schnee ist auch in Sichtweite.
That means Ukraine and Poland are going to get very cold and won't want to be burning gas
Ukraine and Poland would have Russia destroyed rather today then tomorrow, How the hell do the get to the funny idea Russia would send them gas to survive winter? ROFL
Germany has always receive their gas reliably from Russia, and thanks to Schröder we have North Stream through the Baltic Sea directly from Russia to Germany, and no one in Poland can turn the tap any more. Remember how upset Poland was and did everything to stop that pipeline from being built?
Nasdrowje und Prost auf Gerhard Schröder!
Putin won't rest until the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner is strung across the presidential building in Kiev. The means are of no importance. Peaceful, bribery, subversion, or invasion. Whatever.
Anyone who doesn't see this is a dullard.
Fool...
Yanukovych agreed Feb 21 to reduced powers, stepping down and holding early elections.
That agreement was mediated by Russia, France, Germany, and Poland,
AND WOULD NOT HAVE INVOLVED ANY PARTITIONING OF UKRAINE,
so there was no need at that time to consider partitioning.
But that agreement was not good enough for the (f**k-the-EU) US-CIA-Nuland backed extremists who seized power in a violent localized coup in Kiev, and then attempted to enforce their rule over other regions which did not support the coup. In fact, those other regions had been the principal supporters of Yanukovych.
It is the US, and its (militarily and economically dependent) puppet Kiev government which denied any possibility of regional autonomy, openly declares it will not allow the separatist areas any independence, and continues to military attack the now separatist areas .
Good grief!
If it isn't Iraq or Iran about to attack the USA with "mushroom clouds",
it's Russia about to send tank armies against NATO.
Do the military and political leaders really believe such nonsense?
I don't know which is worse, that they are inept fools, insanely paranoid,
or diabolic sociopaths.
I suppose it is a mixture of all of the worst.
War is a racket especially among friends...
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/russia-has-signed-nuclear-agreements-with-ukraine-turkey-existing-finland-south-africa-india-algeria-argentina-vietnam-bulgaria-existing-belarus-existing-iran-and-u-s/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/russias-rostec-looks-to-supply-boeing-and-airbus-in-2016/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/nato-forces-poland-to-alter-thier-russian-mig-29-fleet/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/21/u-s-chevron-enter-joint-project-with-russias-lukoil-in-nigeria/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/jpmorgans-deal-with-gazprom-cements-thier-relationship-of-course/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/u-s-using-russian-rocket-engines-to-launch-spy-satelites/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/joint-team-from-stanford-university-and-saudi-arabia-launch-satellite-from-russias-dombarovsky-air-base-jun-2014/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10598250/Comrades-in-arms...
You know why countries want their gold back?
They no longer have confidence the USA will be able to protect it. Don't forget, there is only one country in the world which has used Nukes, Biological and Chemical weapons, that is the USA. If you doubt the chemical weapons, what about Agent Orange? The biological stuff, they were using their own soldiers to test the stuff on after WW2. There are many in this world who detest that as much as those who detested the Holocaust. Many do not realize the Germans and their allies murdered not only 6 million Jews, but over 6 million others as well. They are the forgotten ones.
My buddy who was in the jungles of Vietnam, a decorated war vet, died from ALS, which many attribute to his being exposed to Agent Orange, but the VA denied it.
Soldiers and citizens, war is the worst evil there is. Is it worth your children losing young parents, parents losing sons and daughters and so on for what? A little fucking medal with a ribbon on it at a cost of a limb or awarded posthumously?
It takes more guts to say no than to follow your fellow man into the abyss called Hell.
100+
+1 CMCF (capital markets, corporate finance) was what always interested me for work related stuff, but ever since I popped over to ZH, following a quirky little chap called Tyler from Seeking Alpha, I've spent hours posting the same sentiments about the evils of war, the most insane and abhorrent activity known to man.
I am wary of venting polemics against the group I blame for creating wars, suffering and serfdom - the bankers - specifically the zionists who pop up without fail in the epicentre of every evil act against humanity, though lord knows there are other evil, greedy monsters of other ilk who must share the blame. I am wary because I don't want to alienate decent people, including jewish folks who may misinterpret my anger at the zionists as an attack on them too. All decent people have to unite against the horrors of war and those who incessantly tell lies to enable it to happen through hate and division. I truly believe that with all my heart and all of my posts at zh reflect this fact, or it should if I was coherent enough.
I don't want to label myself as an anti-war activist, I'm hardly that - just an ordinary guy who hates war and have occasionally voiced his opinions in public a couple of times at demos. Now to my cognitive dissonance. How do I reconcile my lifetime of opposition to war with my vocal support for Russia should it occur? Being anti-war meant that I've never taken sides but condemned the act itself, with the worst of my anger directed at those who start and perpetuate it. Today the aggressors are clearly shown to be our governments in the so-called West, so I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place because it's clear that Russia is being forced and bullied into war and it needs my support.
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You will do so by virtue of your ability to discern between right and wrong.
Murder is immoral. Self defense is not.
Expressing support for a party defending itself against unprovoked aggression cannot be considered immoral, especially when the defending party has attempted to resolve a conflict peacefully.
All wars are started by politicians. We need to get rid of the trouble-makers at the root.
You all need to start expanding your definition of "war." Other than that...spot on thread.
fuck you NATO, we dont want any of your tanks on our eastern soil
if the war ever starts there will thousands upon thousands of guys
from eastern europe deflecting to russian side
noone in eastern europe is stupid enough to fight the pissed off russians
in a conventional war
they are one of us, our slavic brothers
the aim of anglo-Saxon bastards for decades always has been to divide
the slavic nations so they never join together
if they did there would be no greater force on this planet