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Thought Crime? Navy Vet Fired For Posting Images Of DHS Vehicles On Facebook
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
You probably haven’t heard of Mark Paffrath, the 28-year-old Navy veteran, and former employee of the Drury hotel chain, who was fired from his job and called a “terrorist” for taking pictures of Department of Homeland Security (DHS) vehicles and posting them to his personal Facebook page.
The story of his recent job termination is further proof of fascism’s relentless bull market within these United States. What happened to Mr. Paffrath could easily happen to any of us, and it’s imperative that we support him and reject the type of backwards fear-mongering being perpetrated by his control-freak employer.
Just two weeks ago, we saw a 90-year-old vet threatened with jail for feeding homeless people in Florida. Now this.
TechDirt reports that:
Mark says that on Thursday after work he snapped 2 photographs and a short video of several dozen Homeland Security vehicles in the parking garage. He then uploaded them to his Facebook page. In his post he writes “why are all the cop cars here…I wonder if it has anything to do with Ferguson”, he also included the hashtags #Ferguson #NoJusticeNoPeace.
On Friday, shortly after arriving to work at the Drury Plaza Hotel, Mark stated that he was called to the office of Jeff Baker, the General Manager. Upon arriving Mr. Baker advised Mark that he needed to remove the photos and video from Facebook. Mark immediately complied and removed the post. Mark then continued and finished his shift.
That should be the end of it, but of course it’s not…
Saturday, Mark stated after being at work no more than 30 minutes, he was again called to the General Manager’s office. Waiting for him was Jim Bohnert, Director of Security for Drury Hotels Company, LLC. Mark told ASN that Mr. Bohnert advised him that his Facebook posts almost cost the company a $150,000 contract with the Department of Homeland Security and because of this he was being terminated.
Jim Bohnert — formerly of the Secret Service and the St. Louis Police Department — had more to say on the matter. He called the former military member a “terrorist” and told him he had “dishonorably served his country” by posting pictures of vehicles parked in a garage where any guest or employee of the hotel could have seen them. In fact, any member of the public could have seen them simply by entering the garage, which is not secured. Argus Streaming News writers were able to see “over 100″ DHS vehicles in the garage while driving through it on their way to speak to the hotel’s manager.
Bohnert also threatened Paffrath with arrest if the photos were reposted (presumably by someone with more power than Director of Security for Drury Hotels, Bohnert’s current position).
Specifically, this is what Bohnert supposedly said:
Mark stated that Mr. Bohnert ended the conversation with “if you repost the photos and video you will have the federal government knocking on your door and you will be incarcerated”.
We must all support Mr. Paffrath, and let Drury Hotels know that it is their behavior that is unacceptable, not Mark Paffrath’s. It’s perfectly representative of the addled, insane society we live in that the hotel’s security director had the nerve to call a U.S. veteran a “terrorist” for posting pictures to Facebook. I think we all know who’s actually behaving like a terrorist in this case. The time for getting outraged has long since passed.
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Well, I've never stayed at a Drury Hotel that I can remember - and now that I know this, it won't be an opportunity in the future.
Fascists, indeed!
Thrifty Inn is one of their brands as well
DHS ARE FUCKING MONSTERS.
Drury hotels are sniveling wimps.
Well, here's your "free market" that is constantly advocated on this site. An employee cost the company a contract and he was terminated for it. I thought you libertarians on here loved big business, and you shouldn't dare question the private sector's motives. The employee cost his boss some bottom line, he has got to go.
/I'm being sarc, but not really
Drury Motels and DHS are a perfect match....
nuff said.
Dreary Motels, DHS and Secret Service hate vets? Vets should boycot
Interesting - I read that Pafrath was a member of some "Justice for Mike Brown" coalition and was intentionally trying to stir up shit for his employer. All I know for sure at this point is not to take Krieger at face value for anything - unless he makes a list.
If you see something, say something. OUR (my) tax dollars "at work" in that parking garage. DHS thinks they have right to privacy but like the rest of us, THEY DON'T!
Knife cuts both ways.
DHS........Drury Hotel Security.......Hmmmmm......
And the other news of the day is northern Idaho is asking to be expanded because of the influx of new born citizens from the rest of the country. The list of new inhabitants is expected to grow rapidly in the next few years as the people are trained and can not be rehabilitated.
I see. The DHS pulled out their riot gear and moved $150K worth of riot gear storage to a competitors facility because an employee posted facebook pics of the riot gear. The response? "You cost us money, therefore you are a terrorist."
BTW - your 28 year career in the Navy was "dishonorable"
good God what are we devolving into
(Doc.. what exactly is it about a $150K contract with DHS that you believe Libertarians endorse? Methinks you don't quite get us)
Well here you go aholes - PONY UP!! If you think I'm all wet then get to it because he has a long way to go:
http://www.gofundme.com/hdnalk
I googled his name and found out that the dude is a major expert at getting media play. Maybe it helps to be related to Amazon's "Mayday Amy", host of "Dating Naked". FFS, Navy vet couldn't he get a better job than "Houseman"? After that long in the Navy? (only 28 years Mark? What happened, if you are legit disabled you get a massive preference, so why aren't you in Civil Service?)
To all the jerked knees who down voted me, I could give a flip. All the people who used to make this site interesting are histoire, and the bunched panty brigade that has replaced them are boring - at best. I'm no fan of DHS, not by a LONG shot as those who have been here for more than a cup of coffee would know. Sue me, I just liked the old ZH that actually sniffed out a story, especially one seeming to be too well packaged, and too widely disseminated.
I'm here - come out and play. This is Fight Club and you're gonna hit and run? Pathetic.
Your coffee is getting cold, could be time to move to another "coffee house".
And you are a value added presence? How so?
Do you remember Project Mayhem?
My bad - 28 y.o., not 28 year vet. That explains the idiotic solidarity with thug Mike Brown, it's a generational thing. Let me ask all you Righteous Folk... the Indignant Ones©
Where were you when Kelly Thomas was beaten to death?
Ok, that is interesting. Unfortunately, USELESS w/o a link. Yeah, I can google - but I can also do THIS
Or weren't those the citizens you were referring to?
Bendromeda - I like Kreiger's articles and think it a public responsibility to increase awareness. But you may have a point but we couldn't tell here because the original Facebook post no longer exists.
Police states destroy confidence, feed on themselves and flame out. I tgink the apostles had it right. Work part-time and don't feed the empire. No reason to become a radical and give an empire fuel for their bonfire.
As corruption rises along with unequal trade like with China, the opportunity to benefit decreases, government directly taxes those with means but less ability to defend oneself.
It is a barbell economy, one can follow the path of Budda so to speak and have extra time to ponder life and go fishing or one can try to break gravity in a time that is harder to do so by selling services to the rich. If you pursue the latter expect to study all the tax loopholes and use attorneys to avoid robbery.
As I have experienced personally, you will get robbed from above or below until you spend many hundreds of hours learning how the world works and cyclical human nature of herds of sheep and wolves.
If you have less to steal, your less of a target and pay little in direct taxation.
I figured out how to do a little of both over some years to educate myself. But I don't advise tax revolt or open revolution. People still have choice but limited as I outlined above and neither are wonderful, though the learning by pain and some trial and error was satisfying but so could fishing.
I think the best humans can do is slow the decent into hell. Once there one gets out of the way. I believe we have bottomed out and I see more mainstream media calling out corruption, a sign the really wealthy aren't happy they can't grow so much by just bribing government, innovation and general opportunity for the public matters. It is a shame as a species we must learn from pain, it just takes longer for it to reach the top because of the facism.
Thank You - you were typing at the same time I was. Again, the DHS clusterfark might not have had anything to do with Ferguson, and it is standard SOP for hotel employees to not do what he did. I KNOW THIS. Guest confidentiality is a part of hotel employment. Just put those two facts in the mix and the breathless tale becomes a little more balanced.
PS - The See Something Say Something joke was good snark, and I love good snark, but Marky P was wrong, and if he doesn't have video of being called a terrista then it is just his dramatic word.
PPS - The best a human can do is save themselves and as many as possible from hell. This temporal state will pass.
In the liberal/socialist unfree market, every employer has to call Washington DC to get permission from a bureaucrat when they want to hire or fire someone. You don't like the job the contractor is doing on your house? Well you just call a federal government employee who gives you permission to change contractors. In the terrible libertarian nightmare, you have to choose where and what to shop and eat instead of having the government decide for you. You have to choose where to work or where to take your car for repairs instead of having someone from Washington assign an employer or mechanic for you. Don't you just love big brother government taking care of everything for you?
Every facet of this incident is opposed by actual Libertarians.
Actual Libertarians oppose the existance of the DHS.
Actual Libertarians oppose funneling government money to private parties.
Actual Libertarians oppose the very existance of corporations. Carving out special laws and limiting the liablity of certain group of people is the oppose of Liberty.
There is no private sector or "free market" in the USA.
exactly.
too bad the good doctor, like so many others, refuses to understand that we don't have capitalism, we don't have a free market.
you hear plenty of ignoramuses claiming, see, the 2008 collapse proves capitalism doesn't work, while being completely blind to the fact that government money printing led to the housing bubble, setting artificially low interest rates mispriced risk, and every other government action is a recipe for disaster, that has nothing whatsoever to do with capitalism or the free market.
Americans need to go live outside the country for a while. Pick almost any country (except maybe Egypt and Syria and Iraq). They would come back to the States and the first thing they would do is go buy a torch and a pitchfork
u are correct....as soon as u land in other countrys you can feel more freedom....i understand ur point exactly...
I totally understand we don't have a "free market" or "capitalism" because the United States is a mixed economy.
The reason why I did my first post was that we have right-leaning libertarians critiquing a private business decision, and I made an illustration to point out the flaws in right-libertarian rationale. The boss fired an employee who cost his company a contract. In a pipedream world, DHS wouldn't exist, and that'd be a good thing, however, it does exist and DHS offers bottom line to a business that the boss would really like to see on his books.
Right-libertarians are kneejerking over a private business decision to terminate an employee. It is not the State that made this decision. The DHS didn't terminate the employee, his boss did.
So ha ha, I caught you guys in your twisted flawed logic.
Granted, the right libertarian can take his business elsewhere to protest this business decision, but at the end of the day, I highly doubt this article will have much of an effect on Drury.
You mean libertarians aren't allowed to critique private businesses? LOL
The only thing twisted is your stupid attempt at logic.
For one thing, I haven't seen the hotel chain's security policy (and I'll bet you haven't either, but I don't really give a shit what you've seen) and have no idea if it covers the fucking parking lot. I also don't know if the parking lot is even owned by the hotel. It could be owned by some real estate holding company that is largely funded with government low interest loans, or even owned by the govt because of default and leased to a management company, but that's another can of worms. Regardless, lots of parking structures are under separate lease arrangements from the occupied structure and the occupied structure has a contract with a parking facility managment company.
Depending on these arrangments, there are potential holes in contracts where, at the very least, security parameters are likely to be ambiguous--and I'll bet it's unlikely that photography is specifically prohibited. So ram all this pre-mature gloating-based-on-some-ZH-user-average-poster-intellect up your ass.
More importantly, there is a perspective where none of this matters.
One could argue that the security manager is creating a rationale to legitimize firing a guy whom he doesn't like; some left-wing activitst blogger/attention seeker that causes embarrassment for one of their low-end, yet whiny high-maintenance and vicious clients (the government). One could also argue this is a fraudulent claim, and the government should get involved to protect the rights of this individual in capturing and posting information obtainable to the public. In other words, the manager is using the same sophisitic techniques used by our great fascist sociopathic tyrants to impose their will on the whole fucking world.
How could one argue that the security manager's claim is fraudlent?
A libertarian might argue that neither a government nor corporation can violate individual rights or sovereignty. Monitoring of government resources (vehicles, people) is a right of the citizenry, even if they are on private property. In fact, I would argue that a private property owner that engages in business with the government opens the door to having the public access their property for the sole purpose of monitoring the government (if the private property owner doesn't like it, then they must decide to give up the contract).
If the DHS has a contract that creates a scenario where individual sovereignty is violated, then the terms of the contract are illegal (even if the bureaucracy and sociopathic tyrants haven't made it so).
If the security manager has an issue with some douchebag taking pics, then address it head-on. Don't be some little bitch hiding behind the disease-infested cloak of government "security". Government has no right to privacy. In fact, government has no rights at all; they have obligations bestowed upon them by the citizenry , which these govt employees have voluntarily decided to assume. If the goverment employee doesn't want the obligation, they should quit. We all know all these DHS losers are parasites at the very best, vicious paranoid spying predators at the worst. Monitoring them is our right regardless of the tenuous bureaucratic and administrative rediculousness used to help them hide (which you so willfully employ).
don't know who these "right-leaning libertarians" are that you're referring to, doc, but as you addressed this comment to me, we've been over this before: i'm not right-leaning, never have been, never will be.
i think you're missing the whole point, however. drury has the right to end their business relationship with their employee, no question about that.
so, what's your point, exactly? you feel that because someone has a libertarian outlook, that means they don't have the right to be critical of a decision that a company makes?
OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
Could you please give us an example of a country?
Have you lived and worked/opened a business in another country?
I lived and worked in Japan for 8 years. Not much freedom there except for freedom to be taxed, freedom to be another brick in the wall, freedom to let the Trilateralists suck out your very lifeblood, etc.
You still don't understand it is not your goverment that prints money?
If your government printed money, why would it need to issue bonds to make up for deficit spending?
Actually, it is the government which prints the money (bureau of engraving), but it is the FED which ISSUES the money after receiving bonds from Treasury or if they wish to pump up the supply. :)
So why all the oversight "and other things" then.
This is not a philosophical question but a legal one. People have a right to know what "special forces" are at work that are keeping them from attaining their full potential....let alone any potential at all.
It's just wrong to consign the bulk if not totality of humanity to an ignorant existence...to not let them know why they feel they the way they do as not an accident.
This is especial true (esp jalopy?) if you can make the human race attain wellness.
Next time, just Slash all the tires. Or, better yet, a gas tank full of Sugar. Let Freedom & Liberty Ring.
The Other Cheek
There is about $1.2 trillion dollars of U.S. currency in circulation.
The Federal Reserve Banks distribute new currency for the U.S. Treasury Department, which prints it.
Depository institutions buy currency from Federal Reserve Banks when they need it to meet customer demand, and they deposit cash at the Fed when they have more than they need to meet customer demand.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed01.html
stacking12321
Where does capitalism and free market work?
Could you point out to a time in America with either, or both?
i have no idea what this "america" is that you mention, i've heard of it before, but i consider it to be a mass hallucination, a collectivist nightmare, it doesn't really exist in reality.
as far as capitalism, yes it does work, each and every day that i do business, every time that i transact with my vendors and customers.
To clarify: Libertarians are in favor of a group of people freely associating and pooling their capital in a business venture. ie. a corporation.
Libertarians do oppose special laws that favor particular businesses or business categories. ie corporations as now usually implemented and run.
Barry - Assuming your "Actual Libertarians oppose the existance of the DHS," thought applies to most / all such agencies, then I have to respectfully disagree.
I strongly prefer to outsource certain functions to those willing to accept my compensation in the form of taxes, electronic Federal Reserve notes or something else people deem to be a store of value:
In short, I have zero desire to spend 23 of the 24 hours in a day worrying about the lower rungs of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, running around in a loin cloth with a shotgun strapped to my back. I gladly compensate others to avoid such a fate.
And just to nip in the bud any sanctimonious Then-You're-Not-a-Real-Libertarian ire, I concede that the blind outsourcing of functions by a disengaged populace with a massive entitlement complex is the reason many nations are currently on a path to hell. You'll find no dispute from me on this point.
"And just to nip in the bud any sanctimonious Then-You're-Not-a-Real-Libertarian ire"
sorry, it didn't work. you're not a real libertarian, and i'll explain why.
the core of libertarian belief is the non-aggression principle (NAP for short). if you think acts of aggression towards others is ok, then you're not a libertarian.
what you say is perfectly sensible, that it is worthwhile to outsource building roads, providing security, providing clean water, etc. you have every right to make that decision.
however, there is no good reason to support an armed gang of thugs calling themselves "government" being the ones that you contract out this work to. particularly knowing they commit acts of violence and aggression towards others.
I find it shocking how many people dont understand that Libertarians stand in exact opposition to fascism. Since what you described is fascism.
It shouldnt be so surprising to me anymore, but it is.
The hookers and blow that were in the rooms is incindental to the contract.
The free market consists of those that bring products and services to market and those that consume them. If the actions of the producers anger the consumers, then the free market will correct accordingly, one way or the other.
Nimby - I upvoted you because your right. The problem is that government can distort this process for a very long time until it breaks. When producers of any stripe be them financial services, medicine or energy can buy governments rest assured the end result is bankruptcy and restructure.
It is the little guy who gets in the shoot first, followed by general government workers, then law enforcement. The senior politicians tend to keep all there gains while the others mentioned not so much.
"Well, here's your "free market" that is constantly advocated on this site. An employee cost the company a contract and he was terminated for it. I thought you libertarians on here loved big business, and you shouldn't dare question the private sector's motives."
Well here's the power of government for which you unhesitatingly shill. An employee of a private company is fired because unaccountable government enforcers leaned on his employers, threatening their livelihoods and the livelihoods of all their employees. I thought you loved elite protectors with guns and prisons and you wouldn't dare question the efficacy of a safety net stretched upon a framework of violence which is only there to support you.
You are all ignorant - if YOU were staying at a chain hotel and I, as an employee disclosed that fact to the world, that would be a fireable offense. If you don't believe me, call around and see.
You are ignorant. He didn't disclose anybody's identity. If he did, then name one federal employee he identified.
I know you don't believe that FB or tweeting out that "a DHS confab is going on at this location right now" is tantamount to violating a hotel's discretion policy, but I assure you, you are wrong. You can hate on DHS (please go right ahead), and you can hate on the hotel for hosting them, (again, feel free), but here are the facts.
1) Hotel thought it was an innocent mistake, but a HUGE EMPLOYMENT MISTAKE, and asked employee to remove it.
2) Fascist (feel better?) Head of Security did a little checking up on Mr. P and found out it wasn't an innocent mistake at all (the hashtags might have been a clue, ya think?) and decided his "Housemen" services were no longer required. Petulant former Houseman comes up with a juicy sordid tale and a GoFundMe page and becomes viral gold on the interwebz. YAWN effing YAWN.
Once again, you didn't answer the question because you can't. Who did he identify?
I'm not against them firing him. They have every right to do so. Your claim is that he identified federal employees. That's a lie. The vehicles identified themselves. If it was such a big secret, then why have marked vechicles?
For one thing, I haven't seen the hotel chain's security policy (and I'll bet you haven't either, but I don't really give a shit what you've seen) and have no idea if it covers the fucking parking lot. I also don't know if the parking lot is even owned by the hotel. It could be owned by some real estate holding company that is largely funded with government low interest loans, or even owned by the govt because of default and leased to a management company, but that's another can of worms. Regardless, lots of parking structures are under separate lease arrangements from the occupied structure and the occupied structure has a contract with a parking facility managment company.
Depending on these arrangments, there are potential holes in contracts where, at the very least, security parameters are likely to be ambiguous--and I'll bet it's unlikely that photography is specifically prohibited. So ram all this pre-mature gloating-based-on-some-ZH-user-average-poster-intellect up your ass.
More importantly, there is a perspective where none of this matters.
One could argue that the security manager is creating a rationale to legitimize firing a guy whom he doesn't like; some left-wing activitst blogger/attention seeker that causes embarrassment for one of their low-end, yet whiny high-maintenance and vicious clients (the government). One could also argue this is a fraudulent claim, and the government should get involved to protect the rights of this individual in capturing and posting information obtainable to the public. In other words, the manager is using the same sophisitic techniques used by our great fascist sociopathic tyrants to impose their will on the whole fucking world.
How could one argue that the security manager's claim is fraudlent?
A libertarian might argue that neither a government nor corporation can violate individual rights or sovereignty. Monitoring of government resources (vehicles, people) is a right of the citizenry, even if they are on private property. In fact, I would argue that a private property owner that engages in business with the government opens the door to having the public access their property for the sole purpose of monitoring the government (if the private property owner doesn't like it, then they must decide to give up the contract).
If the DHS has a contract that creates a scenario where individual sovereignty is violated, then the terms of the contract are illegal (even if the bureaucracy and sociopathic tyrants haven't made it so).
If the security manager has an issue with some douchebag taking pics, then address it head-on. Don't be some little bitch hiding behind the disease-infested cloak of government "security". Government has no right to privacy. In fact, government has no rights at all; they have obligations bestowed upon them by the citizenry , which these govt employees have voluntarily decided to assume. If the goverment employee doesn't want the obligation, they should quit. We all know all these DHS losers are parasites at the very best, vicious paranoid spying predators at the worst. Monitoring them is our right regardless of the tenuous bureaucratic and administrative rediculousness used to help them hide (which you so willfully employ).
Trying to down his comment but the down button not working or he'd have conservatively 50 downs by now. What gives? ZH brink back the 'Mark as junk' link.
The9thDoctor almost always blocks voting on his posts.
Why Tyler permits it is a mystery.
Why would anyone want to block votes? I like the feedback. It should not be allowed- you post and you accept the votes. Sounds like doc can dish it out but not take it.
Bears repeating...
"Sounds like doc can dish it out but not take it."
Highlight his name.
Tab 2-3 times.
Hit Enter.
doesn't work for me.
its because of the italics in the voting area..
Yes, I'm aware of that, but thank you for stating the obvious.
My reply was to the person above explaining how to get around it.
I do it on purpose because I want rational debate and actual criticisms and replies of my posts. Being downvoted to oblivion causes Asch Conformity where people sitting on the fence think I am somehow "wrong". I thought you guys believed in Republics and not Democracy? Some of my opinions are unpopular, but I want actual discourse and thought out replies on why people disagree with me.
When I get name-called, it makes my opinion look stronger. When posters come out with regurgitated talking points as a rebuttal, it makes them look weak.
This brings the fight back into fight club which this place was lacking this past year.
Downvoting something you don't like or agree with makes you no better or no different than the status quo establishment you guys are against. You can't come up with solutions with the same mindset that created the problem in the first place.
I'll gladly take it. Post a reply why you disagree with me.
A -1 is child's play mob mentality.
Stick your neck out and fight like you are intelligent.
Get over yourself. Maybe try learning some humility.
cool, works for me! thanks for the tip ... will remember that.
Does it? Show me some red...
edit: nice - that is some good ZHfu
oh FFS.
what the fuck is wrong with some of you? whining to some imagined "Tyler" because you can't VOTE down an opinion posted here?
Vote Club.
it's all about who gets the upvotes here, be it finger-pointing derivative labels of all flavour or groupthink un-defined buzzwords like the "Libertarian" that has yet to settle on any kind of definition but "yah, me, gud".
I added a few words before my quote, so yer FREE TO LEAVE YOUR ANONYMOUS USELESS CLICK-VOTE.
as for 9thDoc - at least his posts have the possibility to stir the commentary pot - pity so many don't think, or argue a point of view any more, they just VOTE.
Actually he's a big government shill who can't defend his positions so he throws out some lies then runs and hides.
how nice of you to write him a backstory.
particularly one that fits in with all the rest of the groupthink here.
I "run and hide" because I have a life, unlike some posters on here who spend all day on here, week after week, because they are addicted to the site. I remember that one dude who cried to Tyler asking him to ban himself because he can't posting. I'm not going to come back over and over again all hours of the day to reply to you. THis ain't my job. I don't get paid to blog on here.
Seriously, don't some of you have careers, family, businesses, hobbies to work on? What little freedoms you have, you are going to waste it whining on message board and get upset because someone doesn't have the time to reply to your post that got buried on an article on Page 3.
As for being a big government shill, this might clear up some of my views that seem to be a mystery to right-leaning corporate shill libertarians...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-left_anarchy
Those are tents that I fall under, but subject to change as I learn more and technology advances.
What happened to your life? You're back here with 20 posts. Another lie. Seriously
Can you come here and still have a life?
Is it possible?
How many times do I have to say it? It is using block quote that prevents voting (and not italics). Apparately some browsers don't have this problem or some people get around it by looking at the page source like I do. (I just down voted him from -11 to -12)
I just downvoted you from 0 to -1
Do I get a cookie now? How about a sticker that says "You're Fantastic" on it?
Seriously, what do you disagree with me on, to take time out of your day to figure out how to give me a -1.
Wouldn't it have been quicker just to hit reply and type up a couple of sentences on why you disagree with my criticisms on libertarians criticizing a private business decision to terminate an employee?
I can't vote him down either.
He should have lobbed some molotovs in the middle of them.
Jesus Doc, tell me know more about being a libritarian then your post suggest!!!
Not a free market when the government is involved, likely violating its own laws regarding the 1st amendment.
They have a right to fire him. They have a right to bring bad publicity on themselves. We have a right to boycott them. I see no problems. The liberal/statists think the government should get involved and decide who a private employer can or can't fire and for what reasons and all hirings and firings must have approval of a bureaucrat in Washington DC.
Right, but DHS was still involved, and he was threatened with arrest if he reposted the pictures. Government was involved. That takes it beyond anything free market.
+1
At least someone gets it.
+1
At least someone gets it.
Then why do you see any problems with libertarians protesting his firing? I don't see any libertartians saying the government should get involved and reverse the firing or that the business did not have the right to fire him. For those who don't agree with what the private business is doing, they can boycott Drury. That is how it works in the libertarian world.
I could give shit about what we are fed by our 'government'. I deal with REAL americans.
Tomorrow I'm reconnecting two Viet Nam Vets that served together numerous times. One is also a WWII and Korea Vet on his immediate last days. One is my Dad, the other is my life long "Uncle Ray".
I'm 55, we celebrated Uncle Ray's 89th birthday last Saturday.
During the party Uncle Ray told me the story of the time he and my dad met up in Viet Nam, got so drunk that both should have been court marshaled and imprisoned and how he wanted to catch up with my dad.
The next day I told my dad that Uncle Ray wanted to visit. Dad told me the exact same story that Uncle Ray had told.
Real characters, real Americans, real people.
Tomorrow they'll get together for the last time.
I'll mourn the loss of either, deeply.
I remember Uncle Ray from the age of two; up the hill from Pearl Harbor in Hawaii when he lived with us. One of the gentlest men I've ever known other than my real Uncle Troy.
I've been blessed to have met and known veterans from the Civil War (both sides) to my own son who has been in Afghanistan continuously for the last thirteen years in direct (blown up twice) support of the military.
I'm humbled by these people.
USMC, 1978 (didn't do shit to earn anything.)
Dad once told me a story where he actually GOT court marshalled.
He was on his second or third tour in Viet Nam. He was then something around E-6 Tech Srg.
He saw that Marines had rusted, shitty-assed ammo that wouldn't fire if a bomb was lit behind it's ass.
(Viet Nam Vets If you know who this is please shut the fuck up. Just acknowledge. This man is still alive and drawing pensions.)He saw the Air Farce had a baszillion dollar budget and the Marines had a thousandaire budget.
Dad was court marshalled in the Viet Nam war for asking, pleading, for Mrines to turn their decrepite ammo into the Air Farce for diligent cleaning and repair in Okinawa, returning to them in pristine contition, and substituting prestine Air Farce Ammo, during the interval. (Every word my dad has said has been supported by airmen and countless, greatful marines.)
Pretty sure this was the moment my dad became a quiet radical...much as i have adopted a similar attitude in the bank bail out of 2008. Dad has the gumption to keep his mouth shut. I lack that ability and harbor a predatory instinct against any and all that serve in civilian government at any level.
Anyway, If any are in the area...We'll be meeting at my house, then a local eatery. If you want to honor a WW2, Korea, Viet Nam Vet (Dad is only a Korea, Viet Nam Vet), I'm nobody special, Son is Enduring Freedom to what ever today's bullshit is)
PM me to enrich Uncle Ray's contribution. No funds necessary, just show the fuck up.
The9thDoctor,
You missed the rest of the free market response, which would be when a businees does something anti-social like this and supports real terrorism, theincident is reported everywhere and people decide if they want to do business with the establishment in question. Just sayin'...
The leftist/statist/liberal response is that people should not have any power and only the government should be allowed to punish or reward anyone for their acts. If a company does something we don't agree with, the government should pass a law to punish it. If a company does something good, the government should pass a law to reward it.
Allowing the citizens to have any say or control frightens them
The9thDoctor
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You shill.
added:
I was wrong.
You are not a shill.
Just a typical ego maniac AMA coward.
COWARD.
Liberals are cowards who can't defend their positions so they run and hide. If you criticize their stupidity, then they cry that they have no freedom of speech.
Liberals are limp-wristed faggots. Not that there is anything wrong with that, except it fucks things up for the productive class.
"Liberals" is a label applied to anyone you disagree with and isn't raging about some topic you DO agree with.
"Libertarian" is anyone that posts something that makes you nod or laugh.
I "ran and hide" because I have shit to do in the real world unlike people who spend their lives on message boards whining.
"Liberals" are people who are opposed to Monarchy and The Divine Rights of Kings.
Do actual research into political movements sometime instead of regurgitating claptrap you heard on Faux News or AM radio.
Crap, even your role model Von Mises wrote a book called "Liberalism a Classical Tradition". I guess he's a lefty that should be rejected, using your flawed middle school level logic.
Are you still in the 8th Grade? Talk like a grown man instead of using playground insults.
Liberals are people who believe in advancing liberty. Socialists are the cocksuckers who stole the term "Liberal" after their own actions made people hate the term "Socialist". We only use the term "Liberal" to refer to you people in jest, and because otherwise you're too stupid to know what we're talking about when we call you by your proper names.
see my comment above http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-28/thought-crime-navy-vet-fired-po...
The department of homoland security is the problem,full of paranoid directors.
Free market is working just fine. They have a right to fire him and we have a right ot boycott them. No government interference or new laws needed.
Now go run and hide, you leftist coward.
free market?
a government agency, using money stolen from citizens either directly by taxes at gunpoint, or by stealth money printing, using the funds to further its police state ends by creating market distortions by awarding contracts to the private sector, not on a cost competitive basis, but instead based on a firms ability to cow tow to government policy and assist in enforcing its tyrannical ends by persecuting their employees on behalf of the government.
I could quote you almost verbatum examples from 1930's germany.
A system most definitely NOT free market
Libertarians believe that employers are free to do what they want. They also believe that employees are free to talk about how they were wrongfully terminated, and that potential customers are free to boycott the shit out of scumbag companies.
It's YOU motherfuckers who go around trying to get people silenced for being "racists" because they don't agree with 100% of whatever contradictory shit the Obama Administration has changed its position to this week.
Send in the cleaning crew, we got another one
CH1 many miss the scary part actually. These fuckers state every other day they are monitoring just terrorist worldwide. Yet this guy is not a terrorist but just an ordinary US citizen that posted some pics on the internet and boom they got him. Like I said many times they are monitoring everything and the stupid people of the world not just the USA thank them for their protection.
What protectin as they continue to violate people's right to privacy and freedom of speech. The man actually did not really do anything. As we continue down the road some people are finally getting it. Militarization of the police giving them armored vehles and drones should be all over the news but alas most of it is not. Actually if people read the constitution our police forces are not allowed to even have the stuff.
I watched the news last night and some black guy wants the taxpayers to rebuild his business because the rioters torched his business and was mad because the ational guard did not protect it. I am not the smartest tool in the shed but why would you brn your own people's small busness and loot them. People cannot have it both ways blaming the white man for their woes and then burn their neighborhoods and expect the white man to rebuild it. There are times I wish I could just state to them live with your consequences. I did donate to a woman online who owned a bakery and it got torched. We run a small bakery and she did nothing to these people and they torched her place.
I am sure if the national guard had come to his part of town and actually tried to stop the destruction more cries of rascism would be posted all over the media and internet. You just cannnot have it both ways.
Oh I forgot what constittion as it only gets in their way of fucking us working stiffs over.
I find it quaint that the DHS who believes no one has the right to privacy (what have you got to hide?) freaked out when someone posted info about them that wasn't even private (vehicles parked in a public place).
Bush said it a decade ago now, and it amazes me that people seem to have forgotten it.
"You're either with us, or against us"
There is no rationalizing with these people. There will be no compromises on their part. They will hunt every last one of you that disagree with them down if they can. Be aware of this, and your life will start to make far more sense. If you threaten their position, you are a terrorist.
Our us is bigger than their us.
Which is why they single people or small groups out to make an example. So far, no one has shot at a raiding SWAT team from across the street.
Folks came to the Bundy ranch from not only across the street but across the country.
Sure. But how many show up when farmer selling raw milk is raided? Or Gibson guitars? Or a garden variety pot bust? Or when the assholes have the wrong house? There is not one single justifiaction for a SWAT raid on a residence. Not one. Yet, there are some 70000 of them per year in the US. Nobody has of yet opened fire from the other side of the street. We're all big talking pussies.
Have you failed to save your innocent neighbors from SWAT teams because you chickened out or because SWAT has never raided your innocent neighbors' homes?
"Your us" may be bigger, but it's still pretty much invisible so far.
of course, the "our us" still spends most of the day online posting size references, so unless one sits on ZH 18 hours daily, how would the "us" find each other to bond and VOTE up.
You apparently don't know who I mean by "us." You also seem to confuse us with them fairly often.
dupe**
....fuk da gummint..
Secret Service agents probably get a room discount when they go to Drury Hotels with their whores.
How's this for Drury Hotels incompetance!
On November 13 I got an email from Staci Cowan, Customer Service Manger (sic) at Drury Hotels Company, LLC offering an apology, it was in response to this email:
Good Morning,
Find below / attached receipt for a Russell M****** (likely typo in attached that reads "N******") were Mr Russell M******s invoice has been sent to a wrong email address, one that is not owned by your client Russell M******, but owned by myself, Rick M****** (no relationship). This has followed prior email of his reservation info being sent as well.
Realizing mistakes can happen with possibly being supplied the wrong info or clerical error in entering the information can occur. I write as I have made effort already on 11/10/14 to correct the situation to prevent further sharing of Russell's personal information and further possible misuse of my email address by taking the time calling to your reservation line. Being fully armed with the reservation info emailed to me, I informed them of the error and that they were not emailing Russell, I was assured that my email address would be purged from your system data base.
That email address removal has unfortunately not happened as 12 hours later from my call, your system now sends below and attached email receipt with more personal information of Russell exposed.
I simply request that again my email be purged from your system and not become any part of any promotional emails and hope that in the name of constructive criticism that the errors like this can be reduced/eliminated in the future.
Email confirmation of removal from data base requested oe call if needed.
Regards... best to you on Veterans Day (our Remembrance Day)
Rick M******
Canada
Dear Mr. *******,
Mr. Drury has forwarded your email and asked requested me to respond.
After research it has been determined that it was a typing error when the reservation was made. Once an email address has been entered we are not able to delete it from the original reservation. This has been discussed with the reservation agent. We truly apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
You will not be receiving any additional emails.
Thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
Staci Cowan
Customer Service Manger
Drury Hotels Company, LLC
The point is that I am nothing to do with any of this, I have never stayed at a Drury Hotel, and I am neither of the persons mentioned. It was sent to me because they mistyped the email address when they were apologizing about mistyping an email address.
Hilarious, any ideas about how I should reply?
Incidently Mr Drury's email address is given as chuck.drury@druryhotels.com, not sure if I reply to him or staci.
Drury's hotel reward points system. Jump on board or jump on your faggot friend for a hourly rate.
Fucking first class pussies.
"Mark told ASN that Mr. Bohnert advised him that his Facebook posts almost cost the company a $150,000 contract with the Department of Homeland Security and because of this he was being terminated."
Money speaks so much louder than words.
Everything, everyone has a price.
everything.
everyone.
If that is true, how much for my freedom?
"Everything, everyone has a price."
Well, I like your ad..., keep talking...
You can't sell something that has already been stolen!
If you have to ask, then you don't have enough money. Mark Cuban doesn't have enough to buy his freedom.
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Miffed
Buck 'O Five!
"everyone has a price."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q
Snowden said it from his first drop, "there is a vast government network.....that has no boundaries or limitations, that can read every text and email, hear every phone call, and watch almost every financial move you make,..........and they have almost no oversight or accountability!
But people still think they can use Facebook and shit won't blowback, unreal!
Posted the ZH article on their FB site. Seems as if people are already aware of this. I bet this will cost them more business than the $150,000 the Department of Fatherland Security contract paid.
Fuck Drury Hotels! They'll never see one thin dime from me, ever!
nice echo of Project Mayhem there Colonel.
while I loathe the BookFace herd, if a "business" has a page, it deserves to be "used" creatively. . .
I so enjoy the creativity of the "folks" hear...
Hope to resurrect me own right brain.
I reckon if you do start giving more "weight" to your right brain,
you'll end up spending less time seeking the opinions of left brain entertain-mentals.
((once you've read one, you've read 'em all. . .))
right brain conceptuals tend to include more perspective, less linear meme-orised "knowledges" - entertaining our Selves absent others input, heh.
hope life is treating you well.
It is obviously grossly inappropriate for a hotel employee to be publicizing anything about any hotel guest. It doesn't matter whether it's me, George Clooney, grandma or the DHS. When one patronizes a hotel, you have a reasonable expactation that the staff won't go telling the whole goddamn world about it on the internet.
And obviously, customers....any customers really, are going to avoid any hotel where the hotel staff is rude and stupid enough to do such a thing. So the right free market response is to fire the dipstick doing it. And if the guy is stupid enough to do somethign like this, he probably has a history of stupid behavior.
Totally agree with Heywood. This was an EMPLOYEE of the hotel with inside information about a guest. It didn't matter if it was you, me or DHS staying at the hotel. An employee has no right to pass along ANY information about ANY guest. What a turd!
Fuck that. They are PUBLIC employees, supposedly. Not paying customers.
If you see something fucked up at your job, say something! However, this guy was stupid because he wasn't secret about it. It's ok to keep your good name in the face of insane pychopaths by covert means.
He did not post the name or address of the hotel or publish the identities of any of the hotel's guests. He simply posed "pictures of the parking lot".
I haven't been in the US in while, but I severly doubt the Fed's have gone Mayberry and started writing names and personally identifiable information of the thugs occupying each vehicle on that vehicle.
Bullshit !! This is OUR GUBBERMINT !'Posed to be open and transparent !
Yes. If it was anything other than government I would agree with heywood but in this case you are correct. And besides, the guy was only following DHS instructions: If you see something, say something.
If the guest were an individual it would be considered a private matter and I would agree. DHS is part of the U.S. government which is to serve the American people. Nothing should be private except matters of national security, and little of that. Firing the man brought more attention to the vehicles being there than his facebok post ever could.
"the U.S. government which is to serve the American people..."
RLOFL
That was the intent in 1789, but if you believe that today, then you have been living on Mars for the last 15 years.
Anyway the original intent is that the people are the government, not the corporate cluster fuck that it is today.
To Serve Man.
Totally agree about the paying customers, but the Government contracts is our business.
Guests!!!?
So if I see 1964 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible 327 V8 Four-Speed in the parking lot, you guys say I can't take a picture and post it?
Dumbasses
Brings back memories. I had one of those. Bought it in 1973 for $2300. Those were the days...
Unless of course when private property is supporting a police state that is a threat to everyone. The US, a former Constitutional Republic. You sir are indeed brain washed.
The US military should refuse to work as international bankster mercenaries and instead fight to take back America. I just don't get how they would be willing to destroy the environment of their families, friends and the place that they will live in.
The propaganda is thick but there will be moments of clarity.
I live two blocks away from the local branch of DHS. Their parking lot and multiple SUV's are visible to anyone over 3.5 feet tall. Fuck off Drury shit box and fuck you DHS while we are at it.
Is $150,00 really that big for the Drury chain?
Well there's the carrot and then there's the stick.
That's probably 10 years pay for Paffrath. In corporate terms of being a human resource to his fascist overlords his degree of risk doesn't warrant his cost benefit so he's expendable
Look at the partnering of the criminal government and criminal corporations as just 1 more tool in the toolkit to the fascist utopia they dream about
once upon a time, employees were referred to as "personnel".
the "human resources" shift in labels has always been a tell.
GOOD fucking GOD!
Tell the kid to NEVER post ANYTHING on FACEBOOK, EVER AGAIN! It's TOO LATE to try deleting the ACCOUNT now, kid... it's in the CLOUD EN PERPETUA...
FACEBOOK is like a 'DEAR N.S.A.' DIRECT LINK... UPLOAD any antigovernment intimations directly to... the 'GOVERNMENT'...
Poor kid never heard of Joseph Binney or Edward Snowden or the T.I.A. thing or the NSA or the CIA or USAPATRIOTor fucking ZUCKERBERG. Fucking ZUCKERBERG. MARK fucking ZUCKERBERG. FACEBOOK is LITERALLY a "BOOK of FACES" (collected and collated and examined in the NSA facility in Utah); and you never fucking HEARD of FACE RECOGNITION technology or R.F.I.D., you poor, poor kid.
P.S.:
Old news, ZH (as far as 'alternet reporting' goes).
Like they don't have the ability to see anything and everything. Remaining fearlessly above board is the only effective countermeasure. But yeah, don't do facebook.
THIS.
squared.
with bells on.