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I wish my mother would have aborted me. Get bent you old fool.
~I~ along with the ultra-legendary Jesus have never 'sinned.'
Thatsafactjack. Never, never have I sinned, not even a little sin.
Get ready for the caveat.
There is no such thing as sin. There is legal and illegal, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, but no such thing as sin, unless you are besotted by religion.
We makes our choices and we takes our chances.
That if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. - Romans 10:9
Hell? Yeah sure, when I get to hell the first thing I plan to do is ask Lee Harvey Oswald about the additional gunmen.
I don't believe in hell.
But I do believe in death.
In Hell you will not be asking anybody anything as you will just be with the tormentor.
As for your self righteousmess and self justification those are just the hallmarks of your arrogance.
You shall be humbled when you fear your demise.
Know the Lord of Eternal Justice and you shall not know fear. However if you do not know the Lord of Eternal Justice then you shall only know fear.
In that I do feel sorry for you as you are most fearful.
I feel sorry that you don't feel the chains on your brain. You're not a dumb guy.
There's a difference between what you bibliomancers call 'sin' and what we secular humanist types call 'harm.'
Think on the difference and walk into the Light,
sapere aude, brother.
You are a muzziecunt for Hamas.
Nothing wrong with ravioli!
"Easy-open" tins of ravioli were an essential part of my backpacking kit in days of yore. If you are capacity - limited for cooking (as you will be when back-packing) a mix of tinned peas and tinned ravioli heated in ye olde billy can makes a satisfying, substantial, and QUICK meal.
Mind you from what I hear every day in "Spoilt Rotten" Australia, real camping (i.e. multi-day entirely self-sufficient hiking expeditions) seems to be dropping in popularity. For many "doing it rough" means hopping (by car) from one holiday camp to another, accomodation being rented chalets with ALL the comforts of home, right down to ducted a/c and cable t.v.
Tin can camping? What a wuss.
Whatever happened to catching a platapus bare handed and eating it raw?
I want to shake your hand, e-9698... couldn't have said it better myself.
May we all live to see (and have a hand in) the Great Retribution of the usurers and their supporters.
Yahweh is the invisible magic man in the sky of the Christians, correct?
Joos.
And Samaritans, I suppose.
The two groups despise each other, by the way.
Yahweh? I've read his stuff - incedible cunt, prone to mood swings, racism, violence - clearly not omnipotent or especially wise.
If you've read the Bible and haven't managed to "turn" from Yahweh, the Demiurge, you are already lost.
Amen.
Devolution delux..
Awesome vid..
Does sharpton, jackson, holder, and their handler have to much on their plates to get the baboons in an uproar over the term "black friday"? I mean The Washington Redskins was a national debate not long ago... they actually got alot of people to suddenly realize it was racist.
And while there at it the "white house" is not acceptable anymore..
The "Big" house or just "The" house is more PC..
An angry blackman.. Preach on brother williams..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsSQtxrw7uU&list=TL0aRz94hX3gA
"It's called liberalism.
Nobody wants to be responsible for their actions..., they just want."
It's got nothing to do with liberalism. Conservatives are just as liberal when it comes to no repsonsibility or wanting. They're just more "pious" about it on the outside.....just like a Southern Baptist who likes to sneak a little dancing and drinking on the down low on Friday night......but yells "AMEN, PREACHER !! ", come Sunday when the preacher preaches about the sins of dancing and drinking.
It's a sin thing.....not a political thing.
Errrr....well actually, wanting and acting according to one's self interest also fits the profile of capitalism, you reductionist pinhead.
It's called liberalism
That's part but not all of it...
In a disaster situation they would be looters.
There is a lot more types of stuff and none of it lasts for very long. I am on the side lines when is comes to all stuff. 14 year old vehicle, 25 year old leather furniture, a freezer to store my food, make of list of stuff i need and go to town less often.
works
I do what the TV tells me to do
-in a world that's consume or be consumed,
economically anyway, for now....
It's not idolatry,
O'steen promises me.....
champagne dreams with a kalifornication vintage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0AXjUy1_gY&spfreload=10
The future looks even more bright!
As a marketeer, I've studied kids psychology and man... Kids are now behaving and talking like advertising and apply marketing tricks on each other because of a total lack of human interaction that a normal person got when we where growing up.
If you hink you've got problems to talking to young kids now... Just wait another 10 years and watch how shallow the new generation will be.
And the lemming mentality?
Kids kill themselves if they can't walk in line with the rest. We used to be called pubering rebels and liked it... They now kill themselves...
The latest generation is as mentally unstable as can be...
For now the media blames the bullies but it's not their fault. It's the parents who simply don't exist and the social media advertising agencies who are to blame. The media has even stopped reporting on the suicides because there's to many and there's a serious copycat mentality in what to do when you're unhappy.
@Sudden Debt My god you are right, did some research kids suicide is very high not only in the US but in the world, very strange generation
I think kids hate themselves. I feel really sorry for most of them I see with the self-mutilation by sticking pins and nails and rings through their skin. and the tatooing that they do is out of control. Totally blue skin on some of these and only they think they know what the themes are.
How about those huge things they stick in their ear lobes these days. I first saw them in an over-the-top Mad magazine head shop catalog circa 1973. Now I see real people wearing them.
We teach them to hate themselves. Of course they don't have bling and supercars and hot chicks and the latest sneakers but if/when you don't you're told you're a loser. And since we took away any chance of getting all that, they run out of hope.
Wouldn't it be great if we taught them instead that being kind and smart was the ultimate cool. Instead it's "get rich or die trying". Sick.
Get rich or die trying indeed...and a little corruption here and there is ok as long as you don't get caught.
America is already gone.
I'm scared for Europe. The Infestation seems to have reached the U.K. but it doesn't seem to have spread much futher so far.
Most kids get so little of what they need to become actual human beings - meaning someone who has compassion, empathy and a sense of community- that it's no wonder that they're killing themselves. They're so empty and alienated that they've lost all hope. The best lack all conviction...
A few beatings with a good stout stick will make em pay attention.
Here's yer limits...Don't cross em.
Polite and respectful kids are made.They don't just happen.
Golly gee, onthesquare, I bet they're even listening to race music!
SickDollar
Not strange at all. Expected, actually.
“The intellect has a sharp eye for methods and tools, but is blind to ends and values. So it is no wonder that this fatal blindness is handed on from old to young and today involves a whole generation.” The Goal of Human Existence – Albert Einstein (1943)
Additional Reading
The Spirit in the Gene: Humanity’s Proud Illusion – Reg Morrison (1999)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Spirit-Gene-Humanitys-Illusion/dp/0801436516/ref=pd_ybh_19
The media creates their reality. They are instructed in success, which they cannot attain or maintain. Suicide is their last gasp for attention. Everything in the media is scripted. They move from their early love of their parents to seeking that love in their media created world.
Perdue did not love his chickens, he used them. The world does not love you, it uses you. The media does not love you, it uses you. The government does not love you, it uses you. All your fellow children do not love you, they want the love for themselves. Same old cruel world.
Look at these fashion advertising images...the crafting of todays advertising and music media would not have passed censorship laws when I was a kid, today youngsters are overloaded with this horror. How can model playing dead or passed out, be considered a great advertisement of a dress? Obviously broader ulterior motives are at play.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/pics-of-the-month/symbolic-pics-month-1114/
Yeah sure, love: what Elmer Gantry says -Love! Its the morning and evening star,.. its.. yada yada.
Love is so over-saturated in indiscrimate usage that it can be used for temproary tooth fillings, for zero scores in tennis, for paint remover, and for what have you.
Actually love is only applicable for lovers, for children, and the immediate family. If you love someone you are willing to change, -at least to a degree.
Don't forget the love of money.
And stuff.
it's as if these kids are sending a message to their parents in the same way that Jesus did for those that would hear it:
W A K E T H E F U C K U P ! ! !
Everyone was high in the 80s?
Why the down votes? We were, sorry if you were not. You missed out.
Yeah,
big hair and electronic dance music.
What a pity...
People were still genuine and happy back then. Society wasn't fucked up.
The best music was made around that time. Sure there wasn't internet but if I could go back I 100% would.
Say not, "Why were the former days better than these?" For it is not from wisdom that you ask this.
Ecclesiastes 7:10
In 1970 I took a job running the toy dept at the local Macy's. There was a 'White Sale' going on in the linen dept and the maneger for that dept asked me if I'd give him a hand taking the boxes out from under the tables and putting the sheets, pillow cases, etc onto the tables that were running low on merchandise.
The tables were draped to keep the reserve stock out of sight. When I knelt down to start the task as soon as the women saw there were more goodies to be had a riot broke out. I was pushed to the floor and literally trampled by the crowd. They even stepped on my hands as I tried to crawl away.
It's kind of funny how people tend to think of this behavior as 'recent'. I experienced the same sort of animalistic behavior 44 years ago. Yes, it's gotten worse, but now it gets 'ratings'...
50 years ago. Filenes Basement in Boston would mark stuff down 25% every 30 days it was there. @ 3 months it was 25% of what it sold for upstairs.
Women would actually strip and try on bras right on the floor.
Mom made me go with her shopping before I was in school. I had to turn around because the tits were flying everywhere. Women would fight over stuff with hair-pulling and wrestling until the store cop broke it up.
No wonder my psyche is so damaged by a breast fetish.
I still suffer to this day.
Sadly, the math is wrong there. Compounded discount at 3 months won't get you to 25% of the original price if there is a 25% discount every 30 days. You'll get to 42.18% of the original price.
More proof that tricks with mathematics can make women strip.
Bollixed
Good point and reminder.
Anyway, the comments in this thread highlighted the biggest point that NO one yet realized: Population Density Stress.
You see, the 2 links below is about the Sika Deer population of James Island, Maryland.
The remarkable feature in the collapse of the Sika deer population on James Island, Maryland, was that they were well-nourished, safe from predators, and parasite free at the time.
However their growth was also found to have been significantly inhibited. This inhibition was shown by autopsy to have been induced by behavioral stress associated with high population density.
In 1977, subsequent research into human stress showed how population pressure released a similar suite of hormones to those seen in other mammals. – Reg Morison
So, here we find ourselves talking about some folks fighting over some electric gadget. Not crucial gadgets in any aspect for our survival.
However, try to imagine, 2027, and we have less than half of the oil we have now… if not less than half. And our food production and distribution alone will be taking more than half of that oil then.
What do you think these folks ‘us’ will be doing, then?
http://link.springer.com/article/10.2307%2F1350924
http://regmorrison.edublogs.org/articles/
Eight years ago my wife and I moved from an area having 7,000 people per square mile to a place with a population of just 68 people per square mile. Our quality of life soared. I highly recommend it. Just don't move here.
As Yogi Berra once quipped, "Nobody goes there, anymore. It's too crowded."
Without knowing any of the details about you new location, you both moving to a smaller location is the right thing to do.
Anyway, these are the ‘Keys’ moving forward, I believe:
1) Electricity
2) Underground fresh water
3) Tropical and/or Sub-tropical weather
4) Food sufficient. So, if you have 2 and 3 you’re more than half way there
5) And the least, and the furthest away of any urbanized area
Good luck.
EI; No Gold, Silver, or Investment, or hedge on Inflation? I'm not much of an investor and don't think Treasury TIPS do much good.
But yes, Concrete & Brick House for Shelter, A Wall to block the view of your property from the Road, Maybe a bus stop near by, pen area for small animals for food or trade, some fruit trees, good soil, natural springs nearby, ...but think above 8,000 feet the litters, eggs, and crop yield may drop off.
Anyway near the Equator you can live in the mountains to stay cooler and probably still access good food sources. Although driving around a bit am surprised lots of land off the road is dry, sandy, hard... lots of micro climates. Also travel is very hard in mountainous areas. You really learn the value of good roads, and even hiking trails.
Recently learned why Wagon Trains in USA's Pilgrim days or Westward Movement had to use trails and the right trails... you can't really walk on the prairie or any kind of terrain with out trails of some kind.
Camping teaches us how living without lights & electricity gets old fast. Nice thing about being near the Equator is the days are always long.
Here is a computer for determining the hours of daylight:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/Dur_OneYear.php
@EI
Which is exactly why we had a subprime housing bubble bust and a triple-dip recession for desert.
Less demand for oil since 2009 and even less today. I wonder whether $40 bbl oil will kick start demand or whether TPTB will raise the price of oil as soon as the last consumer hits his credit card limit on Christmas Eve?
The housing sub-prime has nothing to do with oil. The sub-prime had to do with constant need to inflate our economic model so, it won’t collapse. Obamacare and student loans are other examples; but there are many more.
Very soon, financially speaking, trying to inflate will backfire because for each $1 dollar of new debt created, it won’t generate $1 dollar of growth. Here’s when the dollar collapses because the debt will have to be written down.
The problem with oil is that THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION. And there are thousands of products depended on oil. Women’s makeup is one of them.
The race tensions that you are reading at this post by Zero Hedge are just a microscopic view of the big human reaction that will be happening when desperation sets in:
Blaming others (demagoguery),
Total disregard for science and facts (rise of ignorance),
Endless positive thinking (entitlement) by our massmedia and education systems
While looking for easy solutions and answers (religion/mysticism delusions).
All these nonsense’s will lead us to human chaos and violence, instead of anarchy.
Ignoring reality, very soon, will be proved dangerous.
But it did!
It cut demand 6 years ago and thereby lengthened the time that the existing supply will last.
The people who plotted and planned it, knew moar about the eventual shortage and decided to do something about it before you figured it out.
You may be sharp, but you're not the sharpest.
The rest of what you say is fairly accurate.
And therefore grim.
Women’s makeup is one of them.
Sheep fat is a substitute. Also, women's makeup is totally unnecessary.
108 Million on Welfare today.
Both today and 1970s were tough times. With little money, store sales events seem very important to daily tasks adults do for families.
It is a family & a "me" thing.
The Bible is the first of our problems - it, and the fools who think an omnipotent Be-ing wrote it.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/burning.html
You don't have to be an omnipotent being to document a truth for future generations to read and perhaps benefit from
Oh, dude
Like Moses parting the Red Sea so the Children of Israel could decamp, how would civilization have gotten from Egypt to here with the Bible?
And where the fuck would you have got your name? Irving Equine Phallus or Sidney sounds a little lame. Maybe Bruce is moar you.
Where would we have got the word Philistine to describe people like you and their attitude toward artists like Pete Seeger and his song "Turn!Turn!Turn". From verse of the Book of Ecclesiastes "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven" recorded by The Limeliters, The Byrds, Marlene Dietrich, Jan and Dean, The Seekers. There's about 200 more recordings of it. Go look for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn!_Turn!_Turn!#Early_folk_versions
The Bible is a smorgasbord, dude, you take what you want and leave the lutefisk and surstroemming for people who like it.
For the most part I like what you have to say.
Just leave my stuff alone.
Agree on the music 60-70-80's was the most creative time for musicians.
Altho... it was all down hill after Boy-George...
"after"?
Back then songs had melody and lyrics everyone understood expressing love of man for woman. Today just drums, electronics and rap jibberish by psycopath misfits expressing discontent with their misery. More misery to come as a result
Blues>Rock and Roll
This was pretty much a direct progression.
While the blues is a big genre, there is certainly something to the fact that the genre is named for songs that express sorrow or suffering.
Black guys singing about misery, in other words, gave birth to rock and roll, and most 80's pop music was still rock, or punk and new wave, offshoots of rock.
Yeah, back then the songs had a melody and lyrics everyone understood:
Like:
shoo doot n shooby doo
or
do be do be do
or
da do ron ron ron, da do ron ron
or
a wamp bom a lu-momp, a wamp bam boom
or even (my favorite)
oo, ee, oo ah-ah, ting, tang, walla walla bing bang
or was it yet even
dip-dip-dip-dip dip-dip-dip-dip
dum-dum-dum-dum dum-dum-dum-dum
sha-na naa-na, sha-na na-na naa-na
>>>>The best music was made around that time.
Can you really compare Vivaldi, Marin Marais, Beatles, Cat Islam, Woody/Arlo Guthrie, Edith Piaf et.al?
That statement does nothing but limit you, your scope & perspective.
If you weren't around in 1983, you wouldn't understand. I was, and I still don't get somethings about that time. But for the most part, just understand this: The 1960s ushered in the America that we know today in full bloom. The 1980s was the last remnants of the old America that still had a shred of decency and class. Here is a clue: Did you see the black guy in the video from 1983? No dreadlocks, pants weren't down below his hip, exposing his boxers, and he could speak and be understood by all. The 1990s was the end of the line for our culture. That was when the "urban culture" {to put it nicely} took root.
There was a guy on here last weekend that said the music culture change to urban & Rap was a CIA program, totally planned destruction of USA.
I still would like to find out more about this.
My grandma said that it all started falling apart just after the Beatles performed on the Ed Sullivan show. No shit. She told us that in the early 1970's.
Thanx. I'm unaware of lots of this.
Sullivan was pure CIA, there is no doubt about it !!!
... and the Beatles were evil. You don't get knighted by the Queen for nothing.
TeethVillage
Dr J Coleman discusses rap as crafted Tavistock/Alphabet tool in his book -
The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Cultural, Political and Economic Decline of the USA
Thanks I saw some description of a Tavistock Technique, but didn't see the info on how it was applied Science.
- Teeth out
Late Add: yes, John Coleman is very prolific. He seems to cover ground of epic proportions.
Ya, the difference is you are fat and ugly and they weren't.
Charlotte Iserbyt was in Education or Reagan's Staff in the 1980s... She has made some videos over the years and is like 70 years old now. She claimed there was a Purpose in the Department of Education to Dumb down America. She took it to Ronald Reagan and told him. But if he understood, he did not take effective action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTIYd5UFRY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Thomson_Iserbyt
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/
Well that is just one area that changed in USA if True as she Describes it.
1979 was the Top for US Manufacturing and Compensation probably. So I would say young people got out of the house got jobs in the 1970s, felt like men & Women, felt independent instead of part of some machine like a cog that wasn't allowed to grow, learn or take on more responsibility.
Could be the older Generation started protecting information & Job Positions from younger people who wanted more possessions, more money, but hadn't had the military experience or conservative values of the Baby Boomers. I think Gray hair guys saw lots of competition from Women and young people and so held back teaching and sharing responsibility. Just a guess. Networking would have been very important in the 1980s with so much competition in the world place and the new idea of firing senior people to remove pension liability and cut labor costs which probably peaked in 1979 as Outsourcing began. Plus mergers, LBOs had big impacts on workers that lost jobs in manufacturing and heavy equipment or whatever.
Not an expert, but I feel Financing changed dramatically in the 1980s - 2014.
Expose's on Vietnam, Pentagon Papers, Watergate, and the Church Committee... proved that Free Press had to come under control of the Government and that Proxies be used for secret government work.
We had FOIA Rights, but Government has become more Secretive and less Transparent even with Cameras in Congress recording Video of the Events.
In the 1980s we had a secret war in Afghanistan, but we also were running arms, training foreign soldiers in Central America and attempting to overthrow democracies... Iran Contra.
And we never really condemned the Events of the 1960s, Abuse of Protestors, Ugly Riots, Assassinations around the World, War in Vietnam, War Profits, War Contractors, ... we didn't grow from the 1960s as a Nation. In the 1980s we were doing it all over again and creating a military industry of secrecy... or just continuing and expanding. What does secrecy do to the Family at the Individual Level? What does 50 Years of Secrecy in a Cold War do to Individuals & Societies... do we become servants? Do we become indoctrinated to recognize Authorities in Government, in Federal Agencies? In IRS, DHS, Contractor Swat Teams, Contractor Security Employees, Park Rangers?
"Anyway, I wasn’t around in 1980, so can anyone explain to me the difference?"
People were much more polite and honest. There was less cursing. Police didn't drive around in tanks and carry automatic firearms. There were fewer people in prison (but crime was higher). Music had a melody. Well-known actors and actresses did not pose for naked pictures. The president was a Christian. There were more people on welfare and fewer living on the street. TV comedies were actually funny.
The national debt stood at $908 billion. There were jobs to be had if you wanted one. The U.S. still made things. "Made in Japan" meant that it was cheap and would probably break.
Well, at least hairstyles have improved.
You really need to go back to the 50's and 60's to see the change. Back then, department stores dominated retail merchandising. Every major town over 25,000 had one (which was a family business). If you got over 100,000 people they would have two. Department stores covered about a square block and had 5 to 9 floors (with a mezzanine between floors 1 & 2) ... usually a restaurant at the top and a basement where the bargains (clearances) were. Parking garages were built across the street ... maybe with a tunnel between. Public transportation still dominated.
In the late 50's and early 60's, discount stores (big box) were coming into vogue. These "flattened" the department stores. Rather than being tall with a relatively small (1 block) footprint. The stores were one story and covered several square blocks on the outskirts of town. Construction was cheap compared to the department stores. Parking lots had as big or bigger footprint than the stores themselves. When built, they weren't served by public transportation. They were served by automobiles. And they were no longer family operations. They were corporations fashioned from earlier family enterprises that grew into corporations (e.g. mom&pop five and dime => S.S.Kresge => KMart ).
The "well to do"s continued to trade with the department stores. We peons began to trade with the discounts. The "well to do"s wouldn't be seen in a discount store.
How did "black friday" get started?
Who first called it "black friday"?
What happend before "black friday"?
Seek and you shall find. Understanding is not something that you get by making assumptions.
Retailers are/were hopeful to be, "in the black" on or before the Friday following Thanksgiving.
I've seen this before..... In the 80's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGYaFMFU63U
Honestly, someone should take you outback and beat you with a cane for posting a link to a nearly 3 hour video of a picture of gold coins and bars that has nothing to do with the post above. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Classic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
I LOVE THAT.
USA has become BRA (Black Run America) where everything is for the betterment of blacks. Burn it all to the ground.
Unfair to animals - no animal would display that level of greed and envy. The humanity of humans is greatly exaggerated and usually chimerical.
Agreed...
The only money I spent on black Friday was about $25 plus tip @ a local bar. The tip was for the bartender to pay off her student loans.
Um, have you ever watched one ant colony overrun another?
Nature is as heartless as man, for she suffers from the same sin.
Ants can sin? (I learn something stupid about religion every day.)
Actually, ants are the busiest critters in the world, marching around and stuff, yet thay always have time to go to a picnic
Actually I didn't say that ants sin, but that nature suffers from the same sin as mankind, which is the curse of Adam.
You speak excellent sophistry.
Insect politics. And I thought we were more than that.
Why don't we just get down to brass tacks?
The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'
Psalms 14:1
Then I am guessing this is bad news for you.
I understand a lot of student debt comes from post secondary students paying to go back to high school to take courses they should have taken in order to get through post secondary school. The public school system is a totally useless service. Guidance councillors do not give a damn or have a clue when they let kids get their credit count in courses like music, basket weaving, home eck, etc while the kid is entering programs requiring maths and science.
it would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Obola and the "progressive" agenda.
progressive - conservative...
republican - democrat....
really...
after all thats been witnessed under both who r controlled by the bankers...
come on man...
false dichotomy's.
I call BS.
There's right and wrong, a moral absolute exists. And what is right has been slowly abondoned in favor of the "progressive", "everything is premissible" agenda. The Founders were right about the need for freedom and limited government. They were also right about the Separation of Powers since all men are fallible and corruptible.
Now tell me, KS, which spectrum of the political spectrum still holds to this (and I don't mean "prefectly")???
Certainly not Obola and the Alinskyites. Fuck all the leftists.
We sure don't have a perfect choice, but there still is a place for each man to take a stand. I stand with the libertarians and conservatives. You can go join the whiny anarchists.
Since you're interested in the subject you may be interested in this study...
From the Abstract:
"Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.
A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism."
Here's a link. You can buy a copy of the study if you wish for $30.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid...
Wow.
30 bux to find out water is wet.
What a deal.
I'm with you, cpn .....
I'm getting kind of tired of hearing right libertarians (you might not even be a libertarian given your analysis, dude) rag on left libertarians. Surely we can both focus our anger on liberals and then help change the country? Hell, I'm not even sure I'm a left libertarian other than the fact that I respect autonomous communities to run things their own way, even if I think it's godless hippie nonsense. You do it your way, I do it mine - but you don't get to tell me how to do mine.
You're getting downvoted because no one comes here to listen to false dichotomies that point us toward one party. Some of us have been around long enough to have seen the lies in every cyclic electoral flip-flop from R to D to R to D when each time the other side convinces that milquetoast 10% of the population to follow their one-word slogan. It's clear we need to hit the restart button, which also includes your preferred option.
prove it, or stop making that silly, theistic, a priori claim.
"There are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation of phenomena." - Freddy Nietszche
Inferior culture.
OT
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/225348-dark-days-ahead-for-obamacare
So when is Issa going to start as relentless administration antagonist?
Exactly! Issa is a useless sack of shit. Mr. Hearing himself, all talk and no action.
Don't forget arsonist.
About the same time as Cornyn is going to stand up to Obama like he claimed in his primary campaign commercials (i.e. never)
Easy, in 1983 we had a person as a president. Now, we have an animal as president, ho ho!
If God created the nations and they are all people, who are you to say differently?
If god created the universe, and if god assigns different species and different people to various planets, I'm pretty sure god would have given Hebrews their own planet.
Wow dude.
Haven't you heard of Planet Hollywood?
Media convinces you that you need stuff to be happy. The lower your income the more desperate you are for stuff to be happy.
We have had a progressive decline in income from 1980s.
Advanced Nation. Yeah right, pathetic. I am seeing more and more woman walking around with pyjmas these days. Trailer Trash Amerika
Pyjamas, sweatpants, and flabby asses. "Big and beautiful", if you're into that kinda stuff.
seriously WTF is that big and beautiful . in my days it was simple you were a fat ass with potential heart attracks . Now you are called big and beautiful as consume more bitch
Stop spreading your elite "thin" ideology in furtherance of the oppression of the ugliteriat.
Common attire giving last respects at funerals these days too.
Sad.
1980 was only 9 years removed from Bretton-Woods, while today is 40+ years of fiat currency. The second picture is what happens when you have multiple generations of people raised on fiat currency that has rapidly depreciated in value. When your money becomes worthless, you'll do anything to get that super-mega discount on that TV.
Please get your dates right.
You're right, 1983. Still though my point remains.
Fiat Currency depreciates in Value, while People at the same time depreciate in Values.
The delegates deliberated during 1–22 July 1944, and signed the Agreement on its final day.
On 15 August 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility of the US dollar to gold, effectively bringing the Bretton Woods system to an end and rendering the dollar a fiat currency.[1]
Shows how I still need to remember Bretton Woods.
Anyway, you guys remember something Else... as I recall the Petro Dollar being well in place by 1980... some might say 1976.
"What happened to Americans?"
DRUGS?
Corn syrup and 2 or 3 hundreds other things in the food, air, water.
There's a new kid at the local skatepark. He's around 13-14, already a dad, and on ADHD and painkiller medications. Constant stoner. His stories stitch the realms of the conscious and subconscious. "My friends", he starts, and the tale ends with an explanation of a video clip out of the Call of Duty video game. Wants to join the USMC when he turns 18. Nice kid though.
Welcome to the new normal.
@skateboarder, interesting cameo. What do you think happens to this person once his ambitions get frustrated by reality?
State assisted suicide instruction video?
@Fred: I wondered this as I was interacting with the kid. Clearly, the next four years present an infinite number of chances for LEOs to pull him into the prison-industrial complex. If he makes it to 18 and out of skool with some semblance of employability, he's likely to get swallowed up by whatever mission he's sent on (hard to believe what is real, coming out the kid's mouth, but apparently he's pushing Darwinian luck pretty hard, having been hit by cars four times, pinecones falling from the sky, etc., from his accounts). It is probable that the end outcome is a very young single mother who is to raise a four year old (by the time they turn 18) without a father, the kid will be put on medication, and the cycle repeats.
@knkles: None of us will be amused or joking about it when it's real in 10-15 years.
Yes, very sad. The "prison-industrial complex" may be a high probability. You are in California, correct? I hear that the corrections unions are strong there and keep jails/prisons packed. Then he will have a "record" and may be fucked for life.
California just passed Prop. 47, which will release about 10,000 prisoners. The corrections union is indeed strong, and the fact that prison guards typically make > $100k/yr is one reason why California needs to release people.
Heartbreaking & scary at the same time.
Transhuman.
yep
they bought the Brooklyn Bridge.
on a black friday a long time ago
#fuckingmetal
We used to love people and use things. Now it's the other way around, and apparently there's no going back.
if i could give you +2
do we want to go back or go forward?
i see brighter days ahead if we start trying out new solutions to old, unresolved problems.
We progressed from being herd animals, to individual, thinking, humans.
It was bad for profits.
Profits are being allocated to devolve us back to a manageable herd.
Not all people in US are animals -RESTORING FAITH IN HUMANITY - all around the world:
http://youtu.be/i-Qj7WLRqyQ
Your drivel makes no sense on paper and you want it to make it sense in reality?
Stick to trallalaland, Your state pampering you allows that. Enjoy the comfort, reality will be too harsh for Kievan Yatzi Junta 'latvian' citizens.
This behavior cuts deep to folk like me.
Why do we do it? Just to save a few quid? Come on folk, act like a pair of curtains and pull yourself together. You are fucking humans you know? Stop this shit and and use the energy you waste for those that deserve it.
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Its not like you dont know.
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:-(
Trust me, they don't know.
ITM96: You and I will never do such shit, so there is no "WE" when we compare ourselves to the animals.
The animals line up and act like animals for the following reasons:
1 - They don't work, so waiting in line to save money is a no-brainer to them. It's not like they took time off work to wait in line for days/hours and LOST THEIR WAGES. The majority (if not all) are on some type of .gov assistance and the reason they love the sales is because they can save a few dollars from their EBT and whatever other forms of "assistance" they get to stretch out those monthly gravy benefits further if they get a new TV on sale, rather than waiting (and going to work) and spending it on full price items.
2 - If your entire "income" is based on .gov bennies, then it makes sense to camp out for 22 days in front of a store before the sale starts. I believe it was a ZH article several days ago that showed 2 women camped out in front of a Best Buy somewhere in the USofAID. They didn't worry about, or bother to think about, how much money they LOST had they worked part-time for CASH during those 22 days. So they lost about $1,000 in earnings each (at the very low end of pt cash work) and substitute it with sitting on their frozen asses for 22 days at whatever the cost, for whatever useless item they want to buy.
Mind you, I wouldn't hire stupid idiots like that to clean a toilet, so they might as well camp out in front of their favorite store... and keep hoping the other working sheep don't wake up to their scam and simply "disappear" them one day soon after the true producers in this world finally get sick and tired of paying for this Idiocracy!
All the best to you ITM96, Sorry I've been absent lately. I've had a few more severe issues to deal with other than where to buy my next Kim Kartrash-ian ass poster on sale.
Cheers
Angus, the true producers of this world are plants. You and I and the other 7.2 billion of us are just moochers, far beyond carrying capacity.
HughK: Moochers??... I was born on this fucking planet full of banksters and political thugs without my permission. And that makes me a moocher???
If I had a choice to do it over again I would give a resounding "FUCK YOU" before being born into this quagmire called humanity.
If you like your banksters, you can keep them.
If you like your politicians, you can keep them.
If you like being fucked by the above, keep it to yourself. Don't expect me to EVER AGAIN participate in your worldly games.
I think he was refering to the fact that in life systems, plants are the only real "producers" because they are turning solar energy into bio material and the rest of "us" (those which consume the products of said conversion) are "parasites".
obeseity, illuminati control (media, health, education and finance). Illuminati vassle since the creation of the Fed that's what happened.
Ah 1983, that was a good year.
How things have changed in just 30 years, and how fast they have gone downhill!
Hey Eb, 1983 was the worst year of my life, don't remind me. The best year was 1977, it rocked. I was invincible.
Sorry to hear that. My 1989 kinda' sucked.
'77 was a good year to be invincible ;-)
You guys can remember back then?
1981 was a kick ass year, cid grad, finished bud-s and advanced and went to sat training. beautiful women lining up for me everywhere i went. i sure remember that