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Visualizing Peak Popopulation
Even with having existed for millions of years, the process for humans to reach 1 billion in population was long and arduous. It is only about 12,000 years ago that humans started engaging in sedentary agriculture. This allowed humans to settle and consistently produce food, rather than hunt and gather throughout.
However, it is with the Industrial Revolution that the means for exponential human population increases was created. New technology, boosts in productivity, and the use of energy allowed for a new frontier in increasing health, sanitation, and standard of living. It is also around this time – in 1804 to be exact – that the earth’s population hit 1 billion people.
Fast forward two hundred years, and the impact of the Industrial Revolution is loud and clear. Now with over 7 billion people, global population has risen so fast that by one estimate, 14% of all human beings that have ever existed are alive today.
Based on a recent UN study, by 2100, our global population is predicted to be between 9.6 and 12.3 billion people. The world will be much different than we know it today in the future.
For starters, the vast majority of growth will happen in the less developed regions of the world. As an example, Nigeria’s population will increase five-fold, from around 174 million today to almost a billion people. It will likely be the 3rd most populous country behind India and China in 2100. Sub-Saharan Africa as a whole could hold up to almost half of the world’s population in the future.
While population has exploded exponentially, unfortunately the resources on our planet are finite. The ecological term for this is “carrying capacity”, which is the maximum population that an environment and resources can sustain indefinitely.
Human carrying capacity is very complex and takes into account many factors, including nutrients, fresh water, environmental conditions, space, technology, medical care, and sanitation. The carrying capacity for humans is not static, and can be changed by adding or subtracting resources from the ecosystem.
While technology has saved the human race time after time, we have not yet found ways to address many of the problems tied to overpopulation such as consumption, changes to climate, inequality, and scarcity of resources.
There are certain realities we will have to face. Here are just some of the issues:
- By 2025, 1.8 billion people will be living in countries or regions with absolute water scarcity.
- The United States uses 1 million gallons of oil every 2 minutes.
- The marginal cost of producing oil and metals has never been higher.
- Food prices are skyrocketing, and availability of essential nutrients (like phosphorus) needed to grow food is becoming scarcer.
- Governments continue to create new currency and debt at unprecedented and unsustainable levels.
- Potential collapses in biodiversity and changes in our climate.
Is our future littered with disease, famine, stunted growth, currency collapse, and a lower quality of life?
Or should we be optimistic that we can persist? Can technology and smart decisions save the day?
Courtesy of: Visual Capitalist
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Hello Nigeria, we have a problem.
The four horsemen will take care of the population problem.
Yeah.. The four horsemen, or bleeding-hearts who want to subsidize the elderly to live longer and choke the productivity pyramid scheme at the bottom.
Global fertility rates are approaching an inflection point now. My guess is, the overshoot has already happened.
I am now 27. Given financial stress, lack of opportunity, and unhealthy living promoted by a handful of industries, plus the threat of future upheavals (before I had the good sense to wake up to the perils of living in a consumer-driven society), I will be happy to even afford one child and see 50.
Idiots with ruers extrapolating out far into the future. LOL as if the same old same old will last that long.
I thought that was going to be about the popo...
This article is a ration of sh*t by a bunch of authoritarian libtards. The only places populations are growing are a few countries in Africa and Asia. Populations are DECLINING across the majority of the globe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_to_Expect_When_No_One%27s_Expecting
Visualizing peak POPOPULATION????
Try visualizing a spell chechecker.
nice...
The Alien Reaper Ships are about to arrive to harvest some fresh human meat for their deli Wednesday special menu
So FATTEN UP for the feast!
On you!
what's driving the shrinking fertility rates are the educational and economic improvement of women. although slow to reach critical mass in much of africa, the process is begun and it tends to be self-perpetuating.
The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs report (2004) projects the world population to peak at 9.22 billion in 2075. After reaching this maximum the world population is projected to decline slightly and then resume increasing slowly, to reach a level of 8.97 billion by 2300, about the same as the projected 2050 figure.
again imo there is little chance that the latter part of the u.n. report will come to pass. women have decided to have no and fewer children and i don't see much that should change their minds. it seems that the other influences on population are likely to be on the downside (the horsemen, disease, economic depression, monetary collapse, improved temporary and permanent birth control).
Didn't Malthus make this same argument in 1798?
Malthus is like the bears at Zerohedge. Made the right call, just early.
This is just a load of worthless Agenda 21 propaganda. The planet's populatio is already at its peak, and headed downhill. But try telling that to the global warming/ overpopulation myth-makers. This article is TOTAL BULLSHIT.
Cue the infinite planet folks!
"There is no resource problem that a good 3D printer can't handle." DICKS!
Any futurist who isn't factoring in the likely arrival of the Technological Singularity isn't seeing the elephant in the living room and therefore isn't worth reading:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIzS1uCOcE
That said, and for what it's worth, I don't see humanity in its present form (call it homo economicus) surviving the insanity of its ways and believe, on the contrary, that unless the Singularity results in the arrival of genuine abundance — i.e., unless our species evolves into homo abundus and does so in a way that reduces our ecological footprint to the vanishing point — humanity will have reached an evolutionary dead end and, like the Neanderthals before us, will trail off into extinction.
More precisely, I would say that unless humanity's worst enemy — http://www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets0.html — is rendered extinct via the arrival of genuine abundance, said enemy will either destroy humanity outright or send it back to the Stone Age.
Which is to say that without the Singularity, I have no hope for humanity, while with it, I'm with Kurzweil in seeing endless possibilities:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns
"The surface of a planet is NOT the correct place for an expanding, technological civilization." -- R.A. Wilson
Agreed. And the sooner we escape from it, the better it will be for both ourselves and the planet, the question being whether the forces that would chain us to it — governments and those who actually control them — can be sufficiently sidelined for the Singularity to become a reality. This to me is why Bitcoin is so important, as it stands to end-run the status (statist) quo and thereby empower a global community of cooperating individuals to provide the goods, services, and ideas we need to get to the next level.
Population Growth Through Natural Increase, 1775–2000
Sorry... I tried to copy a chart. The world birth rate has been declining for decades. Over population is a myth.
But for those that continue to propogate the bullshit- let's try an experiment. Let the top .01% of our overlords commit seppuku in the name of humanity. I could go for that and I would buy the gutting knives.
Visualizing Peak Malthus
Not yet but we can see it from here....
over population is not the problem, over population of uneducated population is the problem.
But what do you expect when you can make a living out of popping little shitbirds out like it ain't no thing?
Anyone can come live in the Hood if they wants You can still do the white rapper shtik while it lasts.
Was trying to use it in a clever/light-hearted way based on the people who are breeding rapidly [for the most part: trailer trash/poorly educated]? I am about as far from a white-rapper as it gets.
I find it odd that so many ZHrs believe this "overpopulation in a world of limited resources" tat, brought to us by the same people who brought all the other lies in the name of covert depopulation (read mass murder) activities. If we take the current population of the world and divide them into families of 5, give them a homestead the size of the Waltons and we would all fit into the two states of Texas and Ohio. The real problem is the imperial control and mismanagement of the world's resources by those folks that coined for us the term "the useless eaters", when of course they are the self-obsessed, ego maniac useless oligarch 'managers'. There's plenty of room and potential sustainable production to support a population of 60bn on this planet, however (and I don't like using normative statements as non-testable positives) that's not going to be allowed to happen. People need to research these claims a little further before treating them as 'facts'.
Zerohedge, where even crappy articles are worth reading due to the quality of the commenters...well said.
wait wait wait ...
Help me out here; I am one of the slow ones, or maybe it's just late. The land area of Texas is about 269,000 square miles, which is about 172 million acres. Divide that among 7 billion people and you get about 0.02 acres per person. How big was the Waltons' homestead?
The total land area of the earth (including Greenland, Antarctica, Siberia and other places not yet liberated by global warming), is 57,310,000 square miles or not quite 37 billion acres. That divides to a bit over 5 acres per person currently alive. That is the whole earth, not just Texas and Ohio.
When you say size of the Waltons' homestead, you mean the size of a TV screen? Or you learned math in church?
p.s. if we can fit the whole world in to Texas and Ohio, why all the bitching about immigration?
Because if the government doesn't have to follow the rule of law why should anyone?
Because there is enough land space (and even more sunlight and growing area) in Mexico too. If they can't manage themselves and make it south of the border why do you expect them to get it right when everything is given to them and they have even less incentive to work honestly?
I love how most Americans forget that we have always had an "immigration" problem. Currently, some posters are concerned with the legal/ethical aspects of what is currently happening. And rightfully so. But many, many more are more concerned with the ethnic makeup of these immigrants. Maybe also rightully so.
But the Italians, the Irish, Chinese, and many more have at one time or another had these same hatreds directed towards them, on the basis of ethnicity.
Predicting the future is a specialty of dart-throwing monkeys.
"The real problem is the imperial control and mismanagement of the world's resources by those folks that coined for us the term "the useless eaters", when of course they are the self-obsessed, ego maniac useless oligarch 'managers'."
This is the root of all problems.
i have to question this statement you made:
"so many ZHrs believe this "overpopulation in a world of limited resources" tat, brought to us by the same people who brought all the other lies in the name of covert depopulation (read mass murder) activities."
i know for a fact that you are wrong in making that statement, as i do believe that we have "overpopulation in a world of limited resources", and i don't support what you call "covert depopulation activities". thus, i am a counter-example to your claim, it is false.
so, stick to the truth, and don't make things up.
thanks.
Arrogant comment. 'The real problem is the imperial control and mismanagement of the world's resources'...ergo, it is a fundamental problem that will NEVER be addressed. Given this we have a resource growing problem and the chances of our complex civilisation collapsing as population levels rise will increase.
The banks used us to mine the land. In the meantiime, the necessary businesses went up around the people with a paycheck. And now they are finished..
There may be issues with restricting the supply of certain necessities. I could not comment on that. The overpopulation thing doesn't really work in terms of land. It does work, however in terms of:
- Phosphate Rock (needed for intensive farming.) As the supply of this dries up, food in some parts of the world becomes much more expensive.
- Fresh water. This one is also linked to urban sprawl (and sanitation) but this is becoming an issue for many parts of the world and when you realize that fresh-water recovery is often a function of energy you realize that it will rise if unit energy costs rise.
- Energy costs. Another serious consideration. As everything from operating a tractor, a combine harvester (see: food costs in general), or driving a truck full of cranberries 300 miles, would become more expensive in real terms.
So.. When I say I believe in the lower population/fertility rate "myth" it isn't because I don't think we could physically cram people onto the planet. It is because I believe that having access to the basic human necessities is going to get more expensive in real terms as we move forward. And global fertility rates more or less evidence this:
See: http://www.aei.org/publication/population-bomb-no-theres-been-a-massive-...
If the rate drops below 2 terminally, we are going to see a declining population. At the expense of going full Malthus, I would hazard to say that, humanity's recent exponential "hockey-stick moment" is going to mean revert, and the question is simply how long it takes for this to happen.
" Phosphate Rock (needed for intensive farming.) As the supply of this dries up, food in some parts of the world becomes much more expensive."
The sad thing is that a majority of people don't even understand that there is such a thing as a phosphorous cycle. They really wouldn't like what we'd have to do to speed it up without industrial civilization to give us phosphate rock and NPK fertilizers. We'd have to use human waste in one way or another on our fields. While our sewage treatment plants do a good job of keeping the communicable diseases associated with human waste at a minimum, they also flush a lot of phosphorous out to sea, instead of putting it on crops. Then there's the "sludge," but I suspect that there are much safer and less nasty ways to apply human waste to crops.
If you are worried about an industrial collapse, be it permanent or temporary, think about what you're going to do with all of your shit and piss. How are you A) going to keep it from becoming a health hazard, and B) put the vital nutrients where they need to be at the same time?
Depopulation is not mass murder. Depopulation merely requires families to have only 1 or 2 children.
There is NOT plenty of room and potential sustainable production to support a population of 60 billion people on Earth. There is not even room and resources for 7 billion people. I say 7 billion, because everywhere I have gone, it takes no time at all to see, first hand, ongoing destruction of environmental (renewable) resources. And that, of course, is the result of having a population of 7 billion.
Not to say that having a culture run by a small group of obvious psychopaths isn't, perhaps, the SECOND biggest problem. But when the resources go, there will be no way to deal with that or any other problem.
Lastly, does anyone here live in an area which is actually declining in population? I have heard that such areas exist, but I haven't personally seen any. So, is where YOU live actually declining in population?
Lastly, does anyone here live in an area which is actually declining in population? I have heard that such areas exist, but I haven't personally seen any. So, is where YOU live actually declining in population?
Detroit and a hundred other Rust Belt (Northeastern US) cities. Also towns all over the midwest and west that used to serve the farmers who are no longer there, since big agriculture took over.
There are lots of declining and nearly abandoned towns and cities across the country.
Okay. I just haven't been to any of them. Thanks.
There's a segment of the population, who are hairless, believes 2000 year old fairy tales, drinks milk, and exhibits other infantile behaviors.
It was designed this way. The designers just forgot to restrict mating behaviors.
We're going Viral, Bitchez.
Seriously! Who runs the planet but a bunch of Ivy League school educated- Skull and Bones types. Who prints unrestrained amounts of fiat money that is issued on credit cards so people can buy tons of crap and governments can fund unending wars. What makes the world go round- people or money?
Yes- it would be nice to have more financially literate folks out there but it would be better to have people who took responsibility for their actions and would admit it is their actions that have caused global warming. Unrestrained managers of capital daming up rivers to subsidize Alcoa plants in Brazil and other equally wasteful expenditures guised in the cloak of helping regular people rather than admitting it is for the companies of their choice. Negative externalities are paid for by all except those who create them.
You have a problem with resources drying up look no further than the financial institutions of the world. Their unrestrained printing presses running 24/7 so the financial industry can get rich on fees and interest is the cause of the ills in this world. They hide behind their educations and convince the masses they know best as they cloak their actions in complex language to discourage the little people from looking behind the curtain.
Put the blame where it belongs.
A Master's in Engineering takes one year. Not that hard and $12k at a state school.
Not anymore:
http://tuition.psu.edu/tuitiondynamic/rates.aspx?location=up
$20k/year is more like it.
And a Master's in Engineering takes 6 years.
I assumed he meant after you get a Bachelors in Engineering, that's the hard part, the Masters is easy.
Did you get your degree from a diploma mill? Five years if you're very smart and 6 years for most. How did you get through undergrad and grad in one year?
Most state schools require 33-36 credit hours for an MSEE. That's closer to $25K than $12K
I can think of many elderly people who have been infinitely more productive than a number of the people who have been recipients of tax payment transfers (ref EBT, TBTF) compliments of many of us posting here.
At least they may be a repository of wisdom when all else fails.
Edit: Misread your point on TBTF etc. (Sorry.) Yes I agree I would take an army of 70 year old burger flippers over the rentiers who have gamed the system into creating arbitrage for themselves and their buds.
I still maintain the dynamics of global population demographics are -very- worrying and we are heading for an inter-generational clash. Having said that yes, I agree.
The article merely reinforces U.N. exterminist B.S. Do they mention for example that the global fresh water supply is being intentionally poisoned and commandeered by the Global Eugenics trash in control of most of the planet to further the Great Culling now under way. What criminal trash am I talking about?... Start with the Bilderbergers. Start with the Bushes, T.Boone Pickens and others buying up (Privatizing) freshwater aquifers. Look into who the monster Bill Gates really is and what he is doing.
All these articles are complete bullshit unless they first factor in the suppression of all sorts of cheap, clean energy technologies. Unless they address the sabotage of global food supplies using GMOs and intentionally formulated brain damaging, cancer causing pesticides... Unless they speak to the news blackout of technological break throughs and knowledge of what has really been discovered on and off this planet.
And if you don't know of those discoveries you are flying blind.
Bravo. +1000000
i have to call BS on this.
would be great if there were such "free energy" breakthroughs, but anyone who's studied physics knows such things don't exist, you don't create energy out of nothing.
if there really were such a thing, it would be way too hard to keep it quiet, everyone would have a free energy generator.
a helpful hint: not everything you read on infowars, natural news, sgtreport, is true.
…would be great if there were such "free energy" breakthroughs…
I didn’t say ‘free energy’ I said cheap energy. So first learn how to read.
Secondly, I am 100% sure many discoveries have been made over the last 50 years that would have revolutionized human civilization have been suppressed.
The people that are doing the suppressing are the same people that control the Puppet U.S. Government, the same people that own the Federal Reserve, and the same people putting the brain damaging chemicals in the municipal water that you seem to have injested.
Actually Tesla offered to give mankind free energy, but those in power shot him down. Harvesting the background radiation of the cosmos is for all practical purposes free (once you build the devises). That was probably around a hundred years ago.
Danger. Don't mention Tesla's name or FullO'Chindit will have to resurface from the Man Boy Love dudgeon and place scorn upon your name.
Can't be any worse then my wonderful father-in-law. hahahaha.
Suppressed technology: Vapor carburetors. A vapor carburetor allowed a SHERMAN TANK in WW2 to get 40 mpg. Documented vapor carburetors allow a 1978 Cadillac with a V8 engine to get 75 miles per gallon. The inventors were killed, the patents bought up and/or stolen, and today's gasoline contains "detergents" which gum up vapor carburetors, thus frustrating anyone who would try to build one. This "detergent" is nothing more than unusable fractions of the distillation process that, under ordniary circumstamces would be burned off as waste. These essentially worthless distillates are dumped into the gasoline for sale at 3/gallon. This way they make money for oil companies and destroy the effectiveness of vapor carburetors.
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Nope. It’s over. The contest could be run for an additional five years and your lead would be so great that it simply would not be possible you could be caught.
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There will be a time you wished you had a tinfoil hat. Hehehehe.
Got one, I wear it all of the time.
ChinDunce - Like I said, ...if you don't know of those discoveries you are flying blind.
Below we have Criminal Bill Casey talking about you. -
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)
Well said as the UN is bullshit. Representatives of the wealthy not us. Still there is billions more of us than the real crooks. So keep on preppin'. Plus, those bastards already turning on themselves proving to theirselves that they too are mere mortals. Put their pants on one leg at a time just like everybody else so fuck 'em.
hope you do better than Jimmy, Janis and Jim...know your limits when you use the needle....
Productivity can be enhanced by seeking out mentors, listening to them, and then putting in extra time to try to do what they said, and then going back and asking if what you did looks right. Also, "every man can be gained with some form of flattery": Benjamin Disraeli. Serving as a protege for a mentor flatters SOME mentors. But SOME potential mentors might be people who confuse generosity with weakness, so finding the RIGHT mentor is important.
And I don't mean to sound patronizing, as if I "know it all". But seriously, most jobs I took, I didn't know at first "what the real game was", and so I went hunting mentors, and tried to work my butt off for them, and to ask them when then did this or that, as politely as I could "why"? Most of the time this worked, and I did better, and I think they did too.
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the four horseman sounds to harsh i have better name for it lets call it the ebola virus.that sounds better
Ebola is actually just one of the horseman. Pestilence.
Banzai should do Obola riding in on Kerry's back and call it
The First Horseman, Pestilence
That's the Fourth Horseman you're thinking of:
"And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth." -Revelation 6:8
You're probably right. And Obola never rides on top so it wouldn't make sense.
A few nuclear exchanges during WWIII will reset that population level starting point to a much lower level. Probably take us back to the hunter/gather levels.
Einstein said he didn't know about ww3, but he knew ww4 would be fought with sticks and stone. I wonder if they will be regulated.
Funny you say that. I've been thinking that flint knapping and atlatls would be a fun new hobby to take up. Seriously. There's a youtube channel for a guy that calls himself paleomanjim that has some cool paleolithic stuff, including a long series of videos getting into the very basics of knapping. He tells you all of the "If you put pressure here, you expect the rock to break this way, if you put pressure there, you expect the rock to break that way" kind of stuff.
As far as very primitive weapons go, atlatls can wreck some shit.
Nigerians, Indians, and Chinese don't woryy about population growth in their countries. They will all be invited to live in the USA by Obama.
They don't worry about population growth, because they don't worry about the wholesale slaughter of their less able citizens in the event that the shit hits the fan.
Stop the flow of oil, and oligarchs will find that they themselves are some of the less able citizens. That's the one advantage that we little folk have. We're a lot closer to hand-to-mouth existence than they are, and they have much, much further to fall.
What I find amusing is that the West is always worried about population growth and carrying capacity yet fail to point out that it is their populations that use most of the resourcess. Africa is always cited as having higher birth rates but I imagine my two American kids consume far more resources than two African children. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Africa has gold, diamonds, oil, and a mineral (type escapes me) that is used in every cell phone and yet the nations remain poor. Aid that is given by the U.S. has strings attached and in the end is more beneficial to the U.S. companies it's tied to. Does anyone ever stop to think that two more hands to fetch water or gather fire wood is a way to ensure a family makes it?
In the end be careful what you wish for. Read "Our Stolen Future" and tell me that the rising rates of infertility in the West and decreased number of sperm of which many are deformed might manifest into a problem. The money system and stock market are ponzi schemes and require more marks to enter the system, same with the government programs of social security and pension plans.
The West takes advantage of resources in African nations supporting warlords and brutal dictators as long as the spigot is open. Heaven forbid Africans have more children than the West deems necessary. The West is interested in maintaining wasteful lifestyles, nothing else.
Based on a recent UN study, by 2100, our global population is predicted to be between 9.6 and 12.3 billion people.
LOL. What blind fucking optimism! There's no way in hell that humanity doesn't destroy itself along with the environment by 2100.
Its just a feel good chipy chirpy story for the sheeple. Info graphs and buzzwords. On one hand the elites like to tell us about over population and global warming along with the mirad of other feel good issues they grandstand for charity. Then these same people run .orgs and .govs that fun vaccination programs and biotech corporations to help feed the poor and vaccinate them from disease that causes just so much death. Is it just me or is that confusing to everyone else too?
Do they want us all to die or do they want us all to reproduce exponentially? Cant they make up their minds?
Dear author.
Depopulation starts at home. You first.
I have to agree. Let those that complain about overpopulation lead the way into the suicide booths.
There is a difference between believing that the world is overpopulated and wanting to kill a bunch of humans off. You should consider the consequenses if the author is correct about the whole overpopulation thing, because if correct, that means that no matter how well intentioned you are, no matter what you or I or the author wants, things will get ugly. Either we are overpopulated or we are not, and your opinion on the matter will change nothing.
Oxford, England—"The good news is that no existential catastrophe has happened," declared Nick Bostrom. "Not one. Yet." Bostrom, director of Oxford's Future of Humanity Institute opened what he thinks might be the first ever conference to comprehensively consider the gamut of Global Catastrophic Risks. By existential catastrophes Bostrom means that humanity has survived extinction so far. However, he quickly pointed out 99.9 percent of all species are extinct. Bostrom cited the Toba super-eruption 73,000 years ago which may have produced a global winter that reduced the population of human ancestors to fewer than 500 fertile women (though some disagree). Our Neanderthal relatives died out between 33,000 and 24,000 years ago. In Our Final Hour, Lord Martin Rees predicted that there was only a 50 percent chance that our civilization would survive to 2100
http://reason.com/archives/2008/07/18/will-humanity-survive-the-21st
Given the increasing chance of a major war these days and the about $2 to $3 trillion spent a year on the military in this world, the 50% chance of humanity surviving to 2100 is rather optimistic.
+ .05%.
War will not be as big a problem as an asteroid strike will be.
Take a look at some of those Black Friday Wal-Mart vids. If some of those people ate a little less we could easily support a much greater population. :)
The elite of the planet have enough to go around but greed does not allow it.
Thus a new meme comes around the over population one.
They are saying in the kindest way possible that we the elite are planning your death.
You know there would not be any articles like this if we decided to go with our plans of guillotines and Pitchforks and other hand made weapons to make sure none of the elite exists anymore.
Related.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HNg7iO3db7k
Hey if you do not do something right now your other option is this.
The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time
PS if your paying attention.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAqXZ08thdo
And here is the elite!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwlKDUTbh8
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
Just print moar money...
A form of isolationism from developed nations is needed. Banks are not lending to small businesses and that is basically the stake in the heart of the American public. Factories kept generations of families in one town. They took care of family members. Safety net that saved govt spending. North America needs to seal. Unlock itself from the NWO...which is just a bad idea any way you look at it (nothing without a vote).
Mommy, what's popopulation?
I dunno but it sure could use a soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBDgfBunNyc
the bottom line on that chart is the likely population outcome. all it takes to reduce population growth is to make having children expensive. that alone has halted population growth in the first world and near break even in many of the developing countries. the only countries producing kids are the agrarian and tribal societies. once they matriculate into the new economic paradigm the human populatiion will naturally begin to fall until the level of humans reaches some equilibrium with the means of production to support those humans.
the eugenics guys who think this population issue has to be forced underestimate the power of nature to fix disequilibrium.
the idea that the industrial revolution was the sole reason the population exploded is a failure to look at the straight math of a billion people breeding. the population growth fueled the industrial revolution from the invention of the means of production to the massive production facilities erected. it was not the other way around.
Are we playing their game?
The system probably exploits the fact that issues of unemployment, interceptions, population control and a possible nuclear war, “go viral”
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/08/are-we-playing-their-game.html
spare us the agenda 21 propaganda thanks.
Infinite growth on a finite planet, what could possibly go wrong?
htpp://olduvai.ca
"War is a necessary evil"- George Soros, Obamas' Rabbi.
The over population debate been around a few hundred years (probably way more) and smacks of elite justifying culling the herd when it suits them and getting us to go along with it. Didn't Rockefeller praise Chairman Mao?
Another perspective that may interest some.
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/
In his Essay on the Principle of Population, Malthus calls for increased mortality among the poor:
He will have to answer for hiswords one day.
China is the only country that expects less of a population..hmmmm...that's because all their billionaires and millionaires are moving to the US (grin).
That is exactly right. There is an American flag that looks says as much, and it was sitting on the table the president ate at during the G8 in China.
The chinese did not lend you money you could never repay because they are nice or fair businessmen, they want the COLLATERAL (your country).
Deagel military preview: US population in 2025 will be only 69 millions
I have been watching the site for over a month - expecting the pages showing a significant decrease in world pop in just 11 years since it was "hacked." But it is still up and the figures remain the same. Take a minute and look around this site. http://www.deagel.com/country/United-States-of-America_c0001.aspx United States of America Projected changes relative to 2014-2025Year: 2013
Population: 316 million
GDP: 17 trillion dollars
GDP per capita: $ 52,838
Budget: 5.8 Trillion dollars
Military budget: 726 billion dollars
Forecast year: 2025
Population: 69 million
GDP: 921 billion dollars
GDP per capita: 13,328 USD
Military expenditures: $ 8 billion
that's all well and good, but who is deagel and what is their credibility?
i can put up a web page saying the population of the us will be 1 trillion, doesn't make it true.
here is an apparent response from someone who runs the site
..."The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population
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Over the past two thousand years we have witnessed the Western civilization built around the Mediterranean Sea shifting to Northern Europe and then by the mid 20th century shifting to an Atlantic axis to finally get centered into the States in the past 30 years. The next move will see the civilization being centered in Asia with Russia and China on top. Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor. This is not mainstream but it is true. A new crisis joins old, well known patterns with new ones.
Sorry to disappoint many of you with our forecast. It is getting worse and worse every year since the beginning of the pre-crisis in 2007. It is already said that this website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government in any way, shape or form. We are not a death or satanic cult or arms dealers as some BS is floating around the internet on this topic. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a model whether flawed or correct. It is not God's word or a magic device that allows to foresee the future.
Sunday, October 26th, 2014
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/website-deagle-com-projects-massive-depopulation-by-2025.4933/
There is an element of urgency because there is danger and we do not have a plan, are not able to make one, and no leader has the guts to stand up in this hostile environment where murderers are adored and honored with standing ovations.
Thanks for sharing this distruning tidbit. Has anyone tried to analyze the data? Ie, curent population minus the east coast due to nuclear ww3, gdp minus financial services and energy which are globalized and thusbcontribute to nwo gdp, etc ?
One in ten will survive the coming catastrophe.
China's drop in population = America's new population. The masses in America, whatever color they may be, income bracket, status in society, are going to be put into a category of slave due to tax burden and eventually be worked to death. Is that what you mean? Americans are going the way of the Mayans unless something is not done. The stage is being set for the world to watch unaffected - as America has spread misery and death since 911 and now, the tables will turn and there will by cheering.
Madness at its best. The people who devised this plan worship an evilness that burns one's eyes out if seen. This will not be recorded.
So I broke out the caculator.
If you deduct the 26 states east of missippi river plus Texas and California - you get 68.7 million people remaining...coincidence?
And the GDP reduction seems to assume a 75% devaluation of USD (loss of reserver currency status) and the complete obliteration of the services portion of the economy (77%). This back of the envelope model is also within a 5% range of the 2025 number they predict..
BTW - have you read the global governance 2025 document? This data shows up a lot and it has been their target date for NWO for quite some time. They are seizing the "obama moment". Pertinent section quoted here - http://durablefaith.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/the-obama-moment
Or download the whole pdf here http://www.iss.europa.eu/uploads/media/Global__Governance_2025.pdf
Soooooo...subSaharan Africa's population will grow by 3 billion.
YOU BAST@RD Americans!! Get out of your SUVs!!!!
You want to see waste? Live in a rich person's home. The size of the garbage dumpster from rich man to poor man varies greatly. Even been on a cruise? Nonstop smorgasbord...all you can eat and if you cannot eat it, take it anyway...but not the food that is used as decor...that is thrown away.
The rich are unsustainable. The poor need family planning assistance. The world needs NEW MANAGEMENT.
Rich, poor... When you have electricity, clean water, enough food and access to basic healthcare, you are insanely rich compared to the rest of the world population, let alone you're ancestors.
Three generations ago, when our great grandparents arrived, that was not the case. We were the rest of the world. They broke ground, uncle put up power lines, grandfather the first train on a new track to Capreole. That is forgotten so easily. Why can't we have a vacation?
Personally, I think It's supply and demand of human resources, beside advanced technology that has brought us here...the consequences which should have been factored in by city planning 20 years ago, and I don't know, handed out pamphlets about family planning. one on every corner. Churches encourage large families for a few reasons (largest congregation wins). Humans have no representation and a cull is coming. It is amazing that we have reached this point today. Failure at all levels. People in charge have bad intentions regardless and need to be removed. Then, we will vote.
The world needs management by 8-billion. That means, you enjoy/bare/suffer ALL the consequences of your own actions, and enjoy/bare/suffer NONE of the consequences of actions taken by others.
That's all that is necessary to make everything right.
The problem with most (but not all) rich people is they are absolute masters of "consequences shifting". Specifically, they are masters at shifting the negative consequences of their actions onto others, and shifting the positive consequences of the actions of others onto themselves.
Too many poor people play that game too, though usually in different ways.
Yes, if the feedback mechanism works, humans would do fine, and those who don't do fine, didn't take the responsibility and actions required to do fine.
Thinking there will ever be equality is believing in fairy tales. Smart, pragmatic people have always succeded, it's natural. What we need is equal justice for all, so people on the bottom can move up the ladder through personal success without being stopped by the ones already on top who change the rules.
You want to see waste? wait... let me drop a fresh steaming brown log, with the initials BO carved onto that thing...oh look the suit is empty and the colon is vacant...."we shit on some folks"......enjoy the go
the world does not need management period.
the population increase comes from 3rd world country not the west.the west has a population decline or its stable. in other words get ready for economic migrants claiming to be refugees.
Of course it does. But it doesn't fit the narrative of the left in the already castrated and defeated west.
JustObserving
You dont' have to go back so far.
In 535 AD some global event(probably a small asteroid) plunged the
worldinto severe cooling. Half the world population died and the dark
ages commenced.
Could the human race be so lucky again?
If something like this doesn't happen soon, we will make the planet
uninhabitable by 2100.
The Dark Ages ensued as a result of the fall of Roman Civilization dodo bird.
This sterilization event seems intentional. All we need is a garden in every yard, a farmer's market on every block, classes for canning and storing. If there is food, the rest will fall into place.
Am suspicous of long snake trails behind aircraft above the central valley where the aircraft are travelling back and forth nearly every day (the days they do not is the smoking gun, especially during heavy air traffic during holiday - none were in sky 2 days before Thanksgiving. Today, a Sat, sky was covered. I am highly suspicious of this and the impact it is having on our weather, plant and aquatic life, but no one has any answers but that they are contrails...again, air traffic is not random, there are flights that go at the same time everyday, and small aircraft (private owners) generally are not that high, these are jet liners, traveling from nowhere town to another as if it is LA to SF .
There are enough videos on YT that explain it far better than I do. Yard gardens have never been so necessasry than now. Yet, we are discourged from it. Very bad sign. I smell Agenda 21.
Noticed this as well on Saturday afternoon. You could play tic tac toe in the sky! On an otherwise cloudless day, by Sunset you could see all the "clouds" had gathered.
We had the Justinian plague hit right around that time, just as the Eastern Roman Empire was fixing to take back the old Western Roman Empire, which had collapsed. That nixed the plans of reviving Roman civilization. No astroids necessary. Just a lack of understanding germ theory.
Après moi le déluge.
Don't know what over popopu-lation is, but nature is constantly recycling Carbon, Water, Nitrogen, and everything else. All the material that we ever started out with is still on planet Earth. And who can blame civilization for picking the low hanging fruit first?
After that, of course things will be harder but the default position of the elitists is to forced euthanasia, forced abortions, and forced sterilzations as described 30 years ago by John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar. Let the Malthusians and global warming sociopath freaks, like Holdren and Zeke Emanuel, get the hell off our planet first and lead by example instead of making big talk meant for everybody else.
Give up the Erlich porn, read some Julian Simon and get some rest.
This article is a bit redundant. It's difficult to breed if you can't feed your offspring.
Unless you're subsidized with soylent green.
only in developed nations where the cost of living are high and nobody is worried about your offspring not making it to adulthood.
in 3rd world countries, the poorer the people the more they breed, it's hardwired evolutionary instinct - by having more children you increase the likelihood that one or a few of them might surive and pass on your genes.
I'm well aware of the "survival of the fittest" Darwinisms.
Do you think that plan has worked out?
Food for thought: those cultures indirectly eat their dead.
Assuming they give a fuck about genes in the first place.
Let's be honest, most of them breed involuntary. If it's voluntary, you can bet your ass it's not to pass on some genes - its called child labor, and sometimes, you can even sell them as property.
More stars in the observable universe than grains of sand on all the beaches on earth.
The earth is an insignificant rock orbiting a fairly average star.
You and I are one of 7 billion examples of our branch in the experiment that is DNA.
Feeling important yet?
106 billion, all humans who have ever lived. We are 1 in 1e11.
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth
The real question becomes: will the intelligent races survive in order to sustain the levels of techonlogy and civilization that we currently possess? Sure Africans can USE our technology, they may even be able to assemble it, but can they create it or even maintain the knowledge?
I can't even fathom what a Nigeria, in it's present boundaries, with a billion people would be like. That is an area not much larger than Texas. Given the present social strife there, and some 200 linguistic and tribal groups (5 of them major) I just don't see it happening.
Tanzania with a quarter billion? Insane. Niger with 200,000,000 people? While HALF of their current population is under 15 years old (as is neighboring Burkina Faso's) and if you only took into account birth rates and time it would seem possible, but the carrying capacity simply isn't there.
You know who could use some babies though? Ethnic Russians. Siberia is under populated, even the portion west of the Urals is under populated. Maybe if they put down the bottles and heroin needles they could make their country into a powerhouse again, maybe even put a clobbering to the zydokomuna banking cartel.
Although you may not want to hear it, I'll tell you one thing, Civilization did not begin in any of the Nordic regions, if fact they were one of the last to get on board. I don't know if that means anything to you in terms of Darwinism.
Siberia and northern Eurasia is under populated because it has always been under populated, even before Russians moved there.
You can put any group of people in Siberia and they will have no better breeding sucess at growing the population of the area than the ones already there.
and chances are, if any of us moved to Siberia, we'd be drinking just as heavily just to cope.
First, humans (as in Homo Sapiens) has not existed for millions of years. Second, nobody here seems to have put a second in the thought that people are consuming between 10 and a 100 times more kcals in exogenous form, from their endogenous consumption. People, for example, in the United States, consume over 200 thousand kcals a day, same as a blue whale. Imagine 9 billion of that. No planet, at least not this one, can cope with that.
Right, because the sun is shining how little energy onto us every day?
And we manage to use, in exogenous form, how much of it? How much of your exogenous energy consumption comes directly from the sun again?
If you run out of arguments, introduce a meaningless distinction <facepalm> It's different! [this time]
Tell me, how much of your oxygen consumption comes directly from the sun again? (to paraphrase his statement, I know the grammar is wrong)
If the sun is giving us so much energy today, then why are we using ancient sunlight in the form of coal and oil? If/when we have a solar power breakthrough, that can even come close to providing the energy of coal and oil, then talk to me about how we have more energy than we need. That's not the case today.
I don't know - maybe because it's easier accessible?
Or it could be a conspiracy between engineers or something...
plus I like the fact there is little conversion cost. i can just take the cap off my gas tank, let the sun shine in, and away I go for free. Wheeeeee, this energy thing is simple.
Oh so the conversion cost is so high, that the sun doesn't provide enough energy to supply 200 thousand kcals a day for 9 billion humans?
Overshoot. It always leads to a massive die-off. NTHE is right around the corner.
Only the price of energy matters.
Extremely cheap energy has enabled this aberrant population ramp with cheap food, housing, transportation and energy availability. But when petroleum prices become such that fertilizer production becomes so expensive that food is priced out of reach and water too expensive to pump and filter, then the multiple food / water / locomotion / pestilence / and resource scarcity feedback mechanisms will reign in human population growth naturally and quickly. Solar and wind are of absolutely no consequence as potential solutions.