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FBI Report Accidentally Exposes The Severity Of The Police State
Submitted by Cary Wedler via Alt-Market.com,
A recently published FBI report accidentally proves that while the police claim cops face growing threats from rowdy populations–like in Ferguson–the opposite is true. The report presents law enforcement deaths in 2013.
The report found that across the entire country, only 76 LEOs were killed in “line-of-duty” incidents. 27 died as a result of “felonious” acts and 49 officers died in accidents–namely, automobile (ironically, of the 23 killed in car accidents, 14 were not wearing seat belts–a violation for which cops routinely ticket drivers). More officers die from accidents than actual murders on the job. The report also outright admits that intentional murders of cops were down from 2004 and 2009.
Further, 49,851 officers were assaulted–a statistic that seemingly proves police are at risk. 29.2%, or 14,556, were actually injured (an admittedly high number). Still, a suspect fact is that 79.8% of the time, “assailants used personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.).” This means that in a vast majority of cases, there was no physical evidence that assault occurred (outside of potential bruises and cuts,but this information is not public). Punches and kicks can be damaging, but nowhere near firearms and knives, which constituted a very small percentage of “assaults.” The report also does not specify what constitutes an “injury,” making designations of injury potentially arbitrary and subjective.
This means that the common police tactic of misrepresenting scuffles and charging people with assault could be at work (such as when a cop squeezed the breast of an Occupy protester so hard he left a bruise and in the chaos, she accidentally elbowed a cop. She went to jail for “assaulting” an officer). Of course, it’s a possibility that all 49,851 officers were simply “doing their jobs,” but at the very least it is important to be skeptical.
But besides direct contradictions to the logic behind institutional myths of heroic cops and dangerous bad guys, what are the implications of this FBI report?
First, that police are schizophrenic in their belief that they are in danger (this fear is proven in the recent Ferguson protests and presence of the National Guard). The overzealous militarization of local cops is enough to prove that they might as well be hiding under blankies from the American populace in spite of the fact thatviolent crime has been dropping for decades.
However, considering how well cops are armed and how efficiently the justice system protects them from prosecution for their crimes, they prove to be paranoid. 27 police officers in a country with over 300 million people died last year. Law enforcement deaths-by-murder are included in the 49,851 “assaults” against officers, which means that .05 (half a percent) died as a result of alleged attacks. Crime against cops has dropped to a 50 year low. It’s more dangerous to drive a car than be a cop (this is bolstered by the fact that the number of cops who died in car accidents almost equals the total number of cops murdered–23 to 27).
Second, militarization is working for the police. It is not working for the rest of us. Though there is little reliable, official data about the number of people police kill every year, tenuous reports claim it is around 400. This is already almost 15 times more than police who are intentionally killed. However, the 400 figure is a result of 17,000 local police agencies being allowed to self-report. The numbers could be far higher.
As Tech Dirt said of a 2008 FBI report that found cops had killed 391 people in 2007:
“That count only includes homicides that occurred during the commission of a felony. This total doesn’t include justifiable homicides committed by police officers against people not committing felonies and also doesn’t include homicides found to be not justifiable.
But still, this severe undercount far outpaces the number of cops killed by civilians.”
The number of “justifiable” homocides was on the rise in 2008 (to be fair, it was rising among private citizens as well) in spite of the inconvenient fact that overall crime has been declining.
Unfortunately, the most important implication of the FBI report is the simple fact that the report exists. When the FBI takes the time to construct a meticulous report (you can read more details here) of all the ways that a tiny percentage of cops were killed–but cannot be bothered to officially count civilian deaths at the hands of cops, the reality is obvious:
The governemnt places a higher priority on their own than on the lives of those they claim to “serve,” “protect,” and “work for.” It cares more about exonerating the police of their crimes than providing justice to those they abuse. There is no justice when the criminal is the cop.
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22 November 1963 to now: American Coup and its consequences.
Go back to bed, America, your government is in control.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
This brings to mind a case I saw earlier this year. A middle aged man who was drunk was "subdued" by two officers, and in their words, "gently rolled to the ground." Soon after, it was noticed that he was not breathing. After being resuscitated and brought to the hospital, I found that there were fractures in 5 of his 7 cervical vertebrae, with two areas of displacement causing spinal cord compression. He was paralyzed from the neck down, and also (it was eventually determined) brain dead. As far as I can tell, nothing was ever done to investigate this. I will never believe anything a pig says, not a single word. As far as I am concerned, their entire existence is a lie.
Meanwhile not too far from Ferguson, its HAMMER time...
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-deat...
Did you know Africa is chock-full of teens? It's True!
All police departments around the country have been given the same end-game scenario for the United States. When the SHTF from a crashing economy, it will be shoot first, no need to ask questions later. It should be obvious from the militarization of the police force that they are preparing for an Armagedon type event.
The cops won't survive such an event. They will, like the rest of us, care about their families first and rioters second. Like the Iraqi army, most will strip off the uniform and walk away.
Desperate People do Desperate Things. Their paycheck is of great value to them.
Why else would they take that shitty job.
A more useful statistic to use to show how cops abuse the use of force is this:
One dog is killed by a cop every 2 hours in the US.
How many cops have been killed on duty by dogs, in all of recorded US history?
ZERO.
"Feared for my life" my ass. This excuse is used by the government to kill anything they want.
WTF!?
THIS SHIT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE '68 DEMOCRAP CONVENTION IN CHICAGO
OR HOW ABOUT KENT STATE YOU MOOKTARDS!?
OR WACO TEXAS ANYBODY?
DUHHHHH....
What the hell happened at the 68 convention? Up till then it was quite exciting indeed.
WHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHH!! POLICE BRUTALITY!!!
AND GLOBAL WARMING!! WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
THEN DON'T CALL 911 WHEN YOU NEED HELP!
AND KILL YOURSELF TO SAVE THE PLANET!
In ’68 Daley ordered “shoot to kill”, but only for arsonists and looters.
The difference then though was you didn’t have Kevlar Robo-Cops with tanks and artillery intimidating all of the citizenry.
The other difference was that the protesters most likely to cause significant problems were not products of 60 years of cultural decay.
I saw a rabid racoon bite a cop once, it didn't end well for the coon I might add.
Mailmen encounter dogs often enough that it has become part of popular culture. Yet how many mailmen carry guns?1 How often do mailmen shoot dogs? Police need to learn techniques to deal with dogs, like pepper spray or mace.
1 Some rural mailmen do i believe.
They take the job because they want to fix the world. Of course they want to fix the world to be the way they think it should be, not the way others might want it to be.
"As Tech Dirt said of a 2008 FBI report that found cops had killed 391 people in 2007:"
the 391 number might seem small, but remember: the quota in 2007 was only 375
so by this metric alone, leo outperformed requirements
It is easier to take care of your family wearing an official badge, doning body armor and carrying an m16A2 than to strip down to your civies, walk away and hunker down in a 2 bedroom apartment. Seriiously, which scenario sounds the most prudent when the Armegedon arrives in the US?
The end of Rome was a slow process over generations.
I suspect they've figured out how to accelerate it in the past 2000 years, and make money in the process.
It's harder to defend one's family when one is out and about kicking down doors. It could create a very ugly vicious circle where the police are reduced to only psychopaths and desperate paycheck collectors, while their own actions place ever larger targets on their family attracting both psychopaths and strategic resistance. "Extra special justice" is really ugly. If you actually want to protect someone, there is only one place to effectively do so. If you want to "make the world safer place" - that's a different scenario, but it has potential "costs."
part of this ugly vicious circle is tendencies to policemen living in special compounds, and becoming the classic "banana republic" military police
heavy handed and out of touch with the population, and so not much more then an occupying force
As they did in NO during Katrenia.
ya think?
The Feds (inthe last couple ofyears) just bought a few Hollow Point rounds..... I think the recent count is actually over 2 billion at this point....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/
Hmmmmmm - I wonder why? their original answer was for Target Practice for all the agencies..... Who uses HP for Target Practice?
Hmmmmmm
This story just goes to show that YOU and only you are responsible for your own safety and defense. Forget all of that shit you see in movies or on TV. No one is gonna pop up at the last second and save you. You are on your own. Be prepared. There are no heroes.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/police-taser-man-to-get-him-off-a-roo...
Nothing has ben done as far as I know.
@JohnG--Then why do the idiots in DC keep appointing the title of Czar? Department Head isn't good enough?
Wishful thinking? Czars ruled by force, not by the consent of the governed. And on a more politically correct note, why haven't we had any czarinas?
why do the idiots in DC keep appointing the title of Czar? Department Head isn't good enough?
It's Obama and his radical leftist Marxists in the Democrat Party who are the idiots appointing czars. No other regime in the United States has ever appointed czars.
Must be a slow news day...
Job term limits is the obvious solution to problems with the police. After eight years as a cop, tell the cop to look for another job. After all, if the job is so dangerous, the cop should be desperate to get a less hazardous job. Like box boy at Publix or night watchman.
Good idea. I would expand that to term limits for all government employees. None will receive lifelong jobs and pensions off the taxpayer anymore.
That's just 'folked up'.
US Police forces are being increasingly militarized. If you protest peacefully in the land of the free, you must be a terrorist:
From Occupation to ‘Occupy': The Israelification of American domestic securityThe Israelification of America’s security apparatus, recently unleashed in full force against the Occupy Wall Street Movement, has taken place at every level of law enforcement, and in areas that have yet to be exposed. The phenomenon has been documented in bits and pieces, through occasional news reports that typically highlight Israel’s national security prowess without examining the problematic nature of working with a country accused of grave human rights abuses. But it has never been the subject of a national discussion. And collaboration between American and Israeli cops is just the tip of the iceberg.
When a riot squad from the New York Police Department destroyed and evicted the “Occupy Wall Street” protest encampment at Zuccotti Park in downtown Manhattan, department leadership drew on the anti-terror tactics they had refined since the 9/11 attacks. According to the New York Times, the NYPD deployed “counterterrorism measures” to mobilize large numbers of cops for the lightning raid on Zuccotti. The use of anti-terror techniques to suppress a civilian protest complemented harsh police measures demonstrated across the country against the nationwide “Occupy” movement, from firing tear gas canisters and rubber bullets into unarmed crowds to blasting demonstrators with the LRAD sound cannon.
Given the amount of training the NYPD and so many other police forces have received from Israel’s military-intelligence apparatus, and the profuse levels of gratitude American police chiefs have expressed to their Israeli mentors, it is worth asking how much Israeli instruction has influenced the way the police have attempted to suppress the Occupy movement, and how much they will inform police repression of future examples of street protest. What can be said for certain is that the Israelification of American law enforcement has intensified police fear and hostility towards the civilian population, blurring the lines between protesters, criminals, and terrorists. As Dichter said, they are all just “crimiterrorists.”
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/from-occupation-to-occupy-the-israelificat...
Funny, in Israel, you aren't going to be groped, told to take of your shoes and the rest to board an airline. And they are facing daily threats.
Plead that to a group of Palestinians with a straight face, and let us know how it works out.
Falconflight - Both Israeli and American leadership are treating the citizens not as servants but as rulers.
As for this "leak" nothing in politics happens by accident. But some of us do what we can and eventually, its is enough.
Police states destroy confidence, the very funding that pays people's salaries and benefits which translates into being very bad for the long-term for ALL but keeps a few a job in government in the short-term.
We all tend to argue our own interests but perhaps we should all at least consider our long-term more.
yeah, belligerent, colonizing, racialist states sometimes face resistance from the natives.
We 'protected' some folks.....
cop = armed tax collector.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/cleveland-police-ripa-journalist-source...
Yup, and asyou'll see from the article, local councils are at it too - there's been some attempts at stinkus here about the way councils have serially abused anti-terror laws to spy on residents. Meanwhile, turns out most policeforces are under-reporting and/or failing to investigate crime, and 50% of Chief Constables are under investigation themselves as a result. One law for them...
We repressed some folks.
If you like your police state you can keep your police state.
If I want my Rat Patrol and I keep my Rat Patrol?
The only good cop or politician is a dead one.
Pols, educators, lawyers, bureaucrats, police. Not necessarily in that order.
And so called journalists
Cops. When seconds count they're only minutes away.
Better start giving the police forces military weapons and vehicles so we can keep them all safe.......
mission creep.
Or... Creepy Government
It's the Federal 'Training' (Brainwashing) that's screwing a lot of them up. Instinctive shooting drills... give me an F'n break. Plus every body who's anybody knows elements of the U.S. Army bring in most of the heroin and the C.I.A. brings in the bulk of the Coke... then the major banks that own the Federal Reserve launder the proceeds. Example - Wells Fargo and its Wachovia unit were prosecuted and convicted of laundering 387 billion in drug money three years ago. They paid a 121 million dollar fine and nobody went to jail.
This is called the Criminal Justice system...
But just in case the "internal investigations" of killer cops look a little too much like a circle jerk among buddies in blue, let's throw the ignorant public something special-sounding like a "Grand Jury Investigation":
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/28/the-secret-darkness-of-grand-juries/
They volunteer to do that for money and a pension. They can choose something else to do, no?
There are tens of thousands of good cops doing a good job and taking far more abuse and risk than the vast majority of us. This report does not undermine that truth.
We, the people, take a lot of abuse...and given how much Justice costs, we have, in the form of our property and families, everything but our principles at risk. And these guys, the Police and the so-called military...are the ones keeping Kleptocrats and Despots in power, they 'uphold' this legal system for the rich. The system is corrupt at its core, I cannot condone someone taking an oath to uphold these Laws, I can respect them as good or, well-meaning people...but it's what the uniform has come to stand for, a Tyranny. ...so, yeah, a good cop, but abuse, risk, no.
The only "good cop" is a dead cop.
All are guilty of daily violations of life, liberty, and property, not to mention being tax-feeding leeches that live off money stolen from the productive sector.
Pardon me, filo, but I don't expect just tens of thousands to be good cops. I pay for all of them to be good cops. Problem is, bucko, they take care of each other. I've seen it personally, and so have you.
Our local narcotics cop was busted strong arming users of Oxy, while in uniform, for their drugs. He had mulitple scrips around town. Been doing it for years. Pled to fed charges and got two years probation.
My BIL said most all his fellow officers and himself carried drop weapons just in case they had to bust a cap in some yute. Taught to them by there field training officers.
The stories of the thin blue line go on and on. Fuck every last one of them. IMO, not nearly enough of those cocksuckers die in the line of duty.
nahh folks on this string are hardcore anti-authority folks who cry like a bitch when crime touches thier life...they sure could not protect themselves or others...little dick syndrome lol
I don't have dick but I sure do have a pair of balls... and if someone threatens the security of me or mine I will be happy to show them how capable I am of protecting myself.
I can assure you that THEY will be the one crying like a bitch.... that is if THEY are still alive,,,,,,
Futher, dumb-ass, there is established case law the clarifies that the police have no duty to provide protection to an individual.
They are there specifically to protect and serve the corporation that employs them. Usually in the form of City of ________. You will find City of _______ having a duns number and being incorporated under the state or federal corporation.
Their only job is to enforce policy of the corporation that we agree by our consent to live under. Police = Policy Enforcer.
No sweetie you do not have balls ..as much as you wish you might have...kudos for the chest bowing and combative attitude......I also agree the police are not their for ANYONE's protection as per Supreme court...that fact only adds credence to my point.....you are naturally appreciative of folks who perform the function of providing that PRESENCE of authority so you do not have to show off your combat prowess that would put all those hard heart motherfuckers out there in fear of their life.....not sure where the dumb ass part comes into play...but real sure I would DESTROY you and your juvenile reading comprehension and weak ass mind in close debate....you come off like an angry popeye with a gash...lol..you need a bitter douche.
Projecting?
WELL.
The upshot of the article absolutely undermines, if fact destroys the assertion that police face increasingly life threatening (to themselves) situations.
There are tens of thousands of good cops doing a good job. I agree with that. Only problem is that there are 780,000 cops in America so that means the majority are bad cops. They also don't take more risk than the vast majority of us. You are more likely to die in most factory, transport, farming and fishing jobs than as a cop.
Every job brings abuse from customers and managers. Not all customers or managers, but some customers and some managers.
But, since you ARE GOING to get abused, no matter what you do for a living, why not at least get paid well? Extremely well. Where I live, policemen get paid more than many professionals who first acquired a college degree AND a professional license. In addition, the policemen also get 3 TIMES as much pension pay as those professionals. Really, if you aren't motivated to go to college, get a degree, and then study for a professional exam, why not just become a policeman?
A functioning police state needs no police.--William S Burroughs
The military exists primarily to protect the Rulers from the Rulers next door. The police exist primarily to protect the Rulers from the peasants. The police are HOW the Rulers rule. That is, the police, the prosecutors, and the courts are how the Rulers rule.
I think this is true enough to bet on.
If the terrorism of the population is total and complete, they will rat out their own families, making the cops job a 'catch em and stretch em' proposition.
I remember reading somewhere that Stalin had people so terrified of the NKVD that they would involuntarily urinate in their pants at the mention of Lubyanka Prison.
Book 'em Dano, im off to add to my stack while the price is low
Aloha
Looking at the numbers it shows that cars accidences are involved in half of all deaths. While guns are involved in less than half of all police deaths(26 in 2013)...
Sometimes I come into contact with the police in one line of work I do.
I have yet to meet an officer who de-escalated conflict, who didn't try to provoke you into some kind of thing they would arrest you for, and who didn't bluster and feint trying to get you to contradict them into escalation and eventually some kind of... dunno -- just THING they can arrest you for. After one quick sentence of what they think you're doing wrong, they're out of words and you see they are trying not to just punch you in the face or shoot you. They snap their ammo pouches or the snap on their gun, a kind of threat that isn't immediately understandable in the surreality of the exchange.
The police force is extremely fucked up. Police officers should be avoided at all costs.
One should assume the officer you're dealing with is on steriods:
https://www.popularresistance.org/police-violence-cops-on-steroids/
Or has used drugs recently, or is coming down off of using drugs and really, really needs to do something to boost their esteem.
When i think about Ferguson, I wonder whether that admittedly remorseless police officer provoked a kid who was already on an edge. I keep asking myself why that guy didn't have the sense to size the kid up, to immediately call for backup, and to not engage someone he admittedly knew he could not arrest single-handedly, knowing his only "overwhelming" force was his weapon.
I can't help but wonder that inferior human specimen was trying to prove his inclusion in the Blue Race by conquering a someone from another race. What could be a more powerful need than to belong by proving yourself especially if you're somewhat emotionally compromised?
Why does this police officer not have feelings after killing someone? Justfied or not? How do you do that?
Ugh.
Lack of remorse is one the characteristics of a psychopath.
He could have driven his car down the block and requested back up. I have a feeling that had he done this, he would have been the butt of a lot of jokes back at the station, as unable to handle the situation.
He could have carried a taser.
...yes, and the gentle fucking giant could have NOT violently stolen the property of the innocent taxpaying law-abiding store owner .... and after the robbery he could have walked on the side of the road or , gee, maybe even god-forbid on the fuckin' sidewalk like most civilized people do, instead of right down the center of the road in the middle of traffic ... and then when the cop, doing his job, accosted the gentle giant, maybe he (gg) could have backed off or even ran and not violently attack the cop .... the thug got what was comin' to him , plain & simple. Nice job Officer Wilson. I feel bad that you will have to fear for the safety of yourself & your family every second of every day going forward .
You're doing an excellent job of injecting the venom. Do tell me why the dear officer didnt ever bother to bring a banker or a hospital administer or doctor in on charges of robbery. The fuckers know damn well they done it. And if Wilson gets it, he will have gotten whats comin to him too. I won't shed a tear for any cocksucker in blue anywhere. And explain to me why that thin blue line never rats on itself but puts up fucng ad campagns and billboards asking people toat on each other? Then they use the tip to go shoot kids like what happenned the other day. Anther good job well done huh? I say fuck you
You certainly make the point that they were both thugs. "No human involved" as we used to say back in the really high crime days of LA.
But in this case it was the thug in blue who instigated the violence. After that it's thug on thug and nobody can sort it out, especially not based on the self-serving bullshit of the surviving thug.
At some point our society will have to ask if we want cops who escalate and instigate violence or if we want cops who are de-militarized and trained to avoid violence. Trouble is that 80% of Americans are still wetting their bed in fear that nasty terrorists are going to come blow them up or invade their houses. So they just bend over and write the local tyranny a blank check.
currently 10 to 10.... LOL - Even 50% of ZH'rs are wrong!
...yes, and the gentle fucking giant could have NOT violently stolen the property of the innocent taxpaying law-abiding store owner .... and after the robbery he could have walked on the side of the road or , gee, maybe even god-forbid on the fuckin' sidewalk like most civilized people do, instead of right down the center of the road in the middle of traffic ... and then when the cop, doing his job, accosted the gentle giant, maybe he (gg) could have backed off or even ran and not violently attack the cop .... the thug got what was comin' to him , plain & simple. Nice job Officer Wilson. I feel bad that you will have to fear for the safety of yourself & your family every second of every day going forward .
Yes, the 'Gentle Giant' was clearly a thug. But do you want cops on our streets acting as judge, jury, and executioner? Wilson should have called for backup, or - at the very least - shot to incapacitate, not kill.
You can bet if Wilson was a civilian he'd be in jail.
The state and its agents are granted a monopoly on violence, and hence must be held to stricter standards than the rest of us.
Increasingly, the opposite is true.
I am not for the death penalty for robbing a store with no weapon and/or intimidating or attacking police.
However, you must lay aside the notion of 'shooting to wound'. Using a pistol is not like Dirty Harry movies. Even trained people aim for body mass. THe idea of trying to shoot specific parts of the limbs in an amped up situation is just ignorance.
Sorry, if the gentle giant was attacking the cop, he was justified in shooting him, wounding or killing is irrelevant.
Whether he was being attacked, I guess we don't know but apparently the witnesses corroborated the notion that the gentle giant did in fact attack the cop in his car and subsequently tried to bum rush him and bring him down. Perhaps they were all in on it, black-hating witnesses.
Or, maybe some one out there is trying to divide and separate us, trying to use the situation to their advantage...Eric Holder, Sharpton, Obama....all the usual suspects.
thereare, how your comments (using a hand gun) have any bearing on furgusen are of minimal value- leo's who are not sociopaths, are expected to use minimal force- the cop had shot this kid and then alone went after him -did not wait for backup..the kid was stupid and got himself killed, - the cop used very poor judgement-and i feel leo's today are trained to use maximum lethal force way too quick. the cop had the choice to avoid further contact with the kid until help got there..after all where the heck is that kid headed but to a hospital for gun shot wounds..
I think the gender of the civilian may matter as well. Locally we had a case where a woman surprised a robber who threatened her and ran off with her property. She shot him in the back and killed him. She received a mild sentence saying she thought he was going to get a gun and come back and kill her. This was the first time a case such as this had not drawn serious jail time. Mr claimed there was no way this would have happened if the shooter was a man and I am inclined to agree. Justice certainly is not impartial now.
Miffed
The punishment for forcibly stealing a pack of cigarillos should not be death, administered without a trial.
Who here has never stolen anything, has never pushed his little brother or little sister, has never walked down the middle of an empty street in broad daylight, and has never argued with a policeman? If you have never done any of these things, then I believe that you still don't have the right to sentence this young man to death without a trial, because that's not the way the Constitution works. The policeman had made a solemn vow to protect and defend the Constitution, and he had all manner of options available to he that would have protected and defended the Constitution.
I'll admit I've never punched out a cop and went for his gun.
Why?
Because it's hard to breathe with holes in your lungs.
Mikey did not understand this simple thing. Mikey probably spent his entire short life never having to respond to the word "No".
If Mikey was as strong as Hulk Hogan and weighed 300 pounds, and was "punching out" someone, then I would expect to see, on the photos of that someone, some real damage, a badly-swollen black eye at least, and perhaps a broken nose.
I think most parents have experienced THAT DAY when their kid decided to mouth off at anyone and everyone, and maybe even steal something. There is NO terror like the terror that, if your kid acts stupidly for just a few minutes, someone might shoot him dead. This is not "liberal" or conservative". This is "parental". Parental trumps liberal, conservative, religion, and everything else. Parents don't want their kids to have to live in a "shoot first ask questions later", "stand your ground", "shoot to kill" culture.
I think I'll go read a few pages of the Gospels now.
Errr........ Because Michael Brown pounced on Wilson and sucker punched him while he was still sitting in the car making initial contact and assessing the situation. He was playing a knockout game on a white armed cop. Are you actually saying cops should automatically call for backup anytime there is a giant black shoplifting thug on the street? That's racist, and will get you a one way ticket to progressive hell, and more riots, for saying such things out loud.
This was yet another fake racism case on display. But this time it was followed up with pre-planned black riots. This was a repeat of the Tawana Brawley fraud, this was the fake Duke Rape case, this was the absurd "Jenna 6" controversy, and this was the dead hoody thug Trayvon Martin, all over again.
The usual suspects are doing this at regular intervals now to keep the black vote firmly on the welfare plantation because blacks are being thrown under the bus for Obama's 12-15 million hispanic illegals with amnesty by the black guy sitting in the oval office whom all the blacks voted for. Get it?
Apparently there's not enough real racism out there so they have to go make some up.
Wilson was a maggot with a need to dominate he could only satisfy by carrying a gun and wearing a badge. Nice summary of how it likely went down. I find it curious that no detective, no prosecutor, and no member of the grand jury, every asked how Wilson's blood could be mixed with Mike Brown's when Wilson had no custs, lacerations, bruises, or bleeding. The only explanation I can come up with has to do with a criminal conspiracy that starts with Wilson.
Further to your second paragraph, this happened yesterday (Nov 30, 2014):
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/01/michigan-cop-stops-black-man-on-...
I've heard that 'driving while black' is a crime, but not 'walking with hands in pockets'.
So long as many police find no problem at all here - and I suspect most would classify this as 'routine' - it's no wonder black people are going to be wary, and informed white people are going to be skeptical of armed white cops who claim "He was threatenenen' me!" (sic)
Don't tell the anti-gun people. ..wouldn't want reality to screw up their screwed ideology
Given the asset forfeitures,do not keep all your cash together when you get into your car.
UM... the police get shot in the face in Texas if they break the law and get out of line
.... but, it won't be the police... it will be a federal agency... the texas folks aren't the issue.
Better fast rope around here motherfucker.( you are still going to have to be quicker than me )... the gubment isn't welcome around here.... law don't go around here..... and if you want to defend the law you think you uphold.... go arrest the president mother fucker. If you want me to accept your law... maybe you should accept it.... .until then... FUCK YOU
This is a goof, right? The police are SUPPOSED to better at avoiding deaths than the law breakers!! I guess you'd be comforted if the split were what, 50/50? This story is a waste of every LAW Abiding, productive citizen's time. Pedal this six sigma, zero error tolerance bullshit in Mother Jones.
If you want to negotiate or argue with a law enforcement officer, do it in court, not when the cops are doing their jobs. Just move along.
Can we negotiate when they are not doing their jobs and acting like criminals themselves? How about when they shoot unarmed people who are follwing their order simply because they are cowardly bedwetters? Sure, some cops do an honorle job and have to put up with crap from thugs. That is the job they chose. This is about the very many, who are not reigned in by their brethren, who perceive themselves to be above the law and to have a license to shoot anyone who doesn't comply with their demands no matter how unjustified.
They expose themselves more than a flasher. Like the FBI report that doesn't show anybody dying at Sandy Hook because they claim the deaths fell under some other jurisdiction and category. As I recall it was Miscellaneous Other. They haven't added a satanic sacrifice category yet
Yeah but did you check out that doughnut that looks like someone's ass? Or Miley Cyrus's pasties?
Is it really that bad? Remember the Pinkertons!
Every night I say a prayer for all cops...may you all get shot in the face.
A police officer is never wrong.
If you don't believe me, just ask one.
Lets face it, when going about their crimes, muggers, rapists, robbers, etc. are concerned that their victims may stand and fight, and worse, be capable of resisting.
The concern and anxiety of the gun and badge thugs as they go about harassing, robbing, injuring, and killing people must be similar to that of the civilian criminals listedl.
One big difference, though, is that the civilian criminals usually want to get what they are after and move on. The gun and badge thugs, like serial killers, want to harm and kill.
An American, not US subject.
Over militarization of police? Do any Tylers or ZHers live in or travel through a big Democratic city? Inner city urbanites may not be militarized so much as they are expert guerilla warriors. I still say they are more of a threat than the police. Are you kidding me?
As a cop and a hedger (albeit I lurk, post but rarely), I have to ask a question of my fellow ZH'ers.
When was the last time you had contact with a police officer (outside of a traffic violation you think you didn't deserve) that was not warranted?
We don't just show up at your house and harrass you. Something starts that in motion.
Tickets, municipal laws, are voted on by the local government, and enforced by the police - the messenger. Most cops have a freebie a day for a regular DL, and a freebie a day for a CDL, usually more for CDL depending on the state because CDL driver's lives are dependent on their license - so if they are speeding in their daily car, they could lose their livelihood. If you get pulled over, you probably did something wrong, and you get a ticket. Don't blame the officer - blame the government and go raise cain and change it.
Especially on here, populated by literate people who are on a forum about financial info. 'The only good cop is a dead cop' give me a break. You get assaulted, someone tries to break in to your house - you don't call your neighbor next door. You call your neighbor two subdivisions over - the officer, who probably makes less than you and lives in a less nice area, but still comes because he is called and wants to do it. Any officer that lasts more than the first 2 years (most departments require you to be on 2 years before leaving because they pay for your academy expenses and charge you if you voluntarily leave) does it because you loves it and wants to do it.
Outside of traffic violations, I'd really love to know who has had police contact that you didn't deserve. You call us, or you get us called on you. We show up and we do the best we can and 99% of the time, we get it right. You see the 1% on the news. We don't come knocking because you did something smart...we don't show up because you did something intelligent. We show up, from the area of the patrol that has problems, because we get called or we see something and have to get involved.
As for 'militarization', I agree about MRAP's, but to the individual officer? Do you want to go put your life on the line in a bobby outfit? Hell, half of you are stocking guns and ammo and silver! Yes, in my department we wear BDU pants (more pockets for crap we don't need), we have good Level IIIa vests (lets see you do a traffic stop at night in the wrong part of town at 2am and not wear a tactical vest), we have very nice firearms (would you like to get shot at and not have a nice firearm). We have a SWAT team (would you prefer we pull every officer from every part of town to deal with an idiot holding his wife hostage...so all of the other areas of town have no cops).
Why should I not have good gear to protect myself from hands, feet, etc? Why should someone be able to punch me and me not have a protective shield, ie vest, and training? I want to do this job - I love protecting you, it's awesome, but you keep voting in politicians who allow this stuff to happen....and force us to get more and more equipment against more and more idiots.
Ever break up a domestic with a woman holding a knife? Ever pull over a group of tatt'd up gangbangers at 2am who are speeding in your neighborhood? Ever show up and have to deal with a guy who is starving his dogs and have a few of them dead laying around? Ever find a dead child? Ever get to deal with a child molester who is molesting his 9 year old?
No. You don't.
We do.
We are your insurance policy - we do what most of you won't, or would but couldn't or can't due to life's choices. When some tweaker takes his girlfriend hostage, we bring all we can to protect ourselves...would you have your brother just walk up, knock, and ask him to stop being high and come out?
The drug war and the southern border, and the welfare state created this - not us. Our jobs should be easy, like in Europe, but we are reacting to what you guys saying 'don't vote' created. A gigantic melting pot of crazies who fight cops and do stupid stuff.
If you get caught up in it, don't drive drunk. Don't speed. Don't beat your wife. Know the law and obey it or go and change it.
But don't say we are the problem - you are the problem for creating this, and without us, that computer you are about to respond on would probably be robbed of your house, with your sense of security and dignity.
...Don't blame the officer - blame the government and go raise cain and change it.
*Yea. Don't blame the man wielding the whip, he's just doing his job. And I'll be sure to vote; that will change things.
...You get assaulted, someone tries to break in to your house - you don't call your neighbor next door. You call your neighbor two subdivisions over -
*Yes, that's the proper response; when someone is kicking your door, call somebody.
...the officer, who probably makes less than you and lives in a less nice area, but still comes because he is called and wants to do it
*If it's a calling, pay shouldn't be a worry, right? And I'm pretty sure cops have exceeded the private sector pay scale.
...But don't say we are the problem - you are the problem for creating this, and without us, that computer you are about to respond on would probably be robbed of your house, with your sense of security and dignity.
*The problem is there are ALWAYS people who cannot help but tell others how to live, and there are ALWAYS men and women more than willing to step up and apply the lash and rifle butt for those writing the 'laws.'
Really cannot see how you're stopping my house from being robbed - other than if you were actually standing in front of it, you're actually doing zero to prevent a robbery. How many robberies, murders, child molestations have you stopped IN THE ACT? Prolly zero.
Ah well, nice post anyways.
Just a little food for thought, for those of you in "law enforcement". First off, think of the term Law Enforcement. Enforcement. The use of force. The quality of being an enforcer. Not real palatable if you ask me. Secondly, and more importantly; isn't a crime in which the only victim is the government a political crime? I thought that we didn't have political crimes in the "Land of the Free".
One question for you in blue. Why the fuck haven't you arrested any bankers, hospital administraters, or doctors for theft yet? And that list could go on and on. I do really want to know the answer to that one. You'repretty quick to arrest and even shoot citizens who aren't wearing $1000 suits over as little as stealing a loaf of fucking bread, but you never bother yourselves with the real crooks. Does this have to do with who you really are working for? Which sure as hell isn't the citizen is it?
nigguh pleez. the white bread pay fo muh white bread on da ebt. dis nigga snatchin' da swishas!
"Why the fuck haven't you arrested any bankers, hospital administraters, or doctors for theft yet? "
Seriously, you just lumped me into "bankers".. I'm guessing Lloyd, Jamie, corzine types.
I'm 41 hours into a 48 hour call "shift", all in the hospital, in a rural area of the second poorest state in the nation. Do you have any idea how much medical care I give away for free every year? If I'm ripping you off, explain how my costs went from 40% of what I collect to 85% in 8 years, how is that ripping you off?
I'm as fustrated and angry with the government/ pharma/ insurance company system we have as anyone, but I can't even practice medicine in a hospital (which is what I do for my OBGYN practice) without signing up for it. Before you say 'leave it," are you going to come out here and do these deliveries/ emergency care?
$1000 suit? I buy an off the rack suit every 15 years, same as my car, live in the same house of 1600 square feet for 23 years, bought it for $87,000.
I don't suffer fools well; before I read your next comment, I'll take an Ibuprofen.
Hey Doc, you chose the line of work, more than likely received free education, and yes that lumps you in with the thieves. Tell me why my last trip to the doctor for a simple thing, where I seen the doctor for all of 15 minutes the line item for his time was $1200? (Total bill well past 4k)Now if that isn't good old fashioned robbery you can throw me out. And hey when you take that ibuprofen, I'd bet you're not purchasing them where you work for $20 a piece are ya? Naw cause you're a cheap cocksucker, you probably just stole em.
Relax Doc.
You gotta remember that some people were beaten badly as children and their minds ain't quite right.
"We are your insurance policy - we do what most of you won't, or would but couldn't or can't due to life's choices."
You do...? That's quite a statement/s. You're essentially talking about a level of human being above the rest - on many different levels? Women officers too, I take it...? Sorry dude, it's a nice attempt, but the quoted sentence above - along with your overall attitude, lays it all quite bare.
I have several friends that are officers with the local county sheriff. I think very highly of these guys (my respect is slowly earned...). They are honest moral men, most of the officers in this department are cut from the same bolt of cloth. The reason being that the management of the department doesn't tolerate unprofessional conduct...
The Sheriff is old school, he makes sure his officers are professional and well trained and promptly removes the ones that conduct themselves in an unprofessional manner. He keeps his officers in a line....
Provoking an unnecessary confrontation that puts yourself at risk is extremely unprofessional...... it demonstrates bad judgement, a lack of training and poor management of the police force (with this level of judgement, how did he pass his pshc test..... who gave him a gun and badge!!!).
He should not have been allowed to resign but should have been fired,,,,,,,,,
The anger you are seeing at ZH is because there are way to many videos on the web and personal experiences showing officers behaving badly ... Many officers conduct themselves like petty bullies during a stupid traffic stop.... The intent is to provoke and bait the motorist..... some of the officers are bored and enjoy the trill of behaving like a petty bully..... And maybe some of this behavior is from the officer suffering from PSD..... Most Police Force Management does nothing to rein this behavior in, to the contrary they encourage it....
Remember, Vigilantly justice arises when people have no other recourse..... and police have the opportunity and ability to commit grave injustices without being held accountable.....
Some time ago we had a local city police officer that liked to beat the shit out of anybody who he didn't like and he hurt some people really bad, over stupid traffic violations..... ended up shooting some dumb teenager that fought back (didn't kill him).... The citizens were unsuccessful in getting the city council to remove this officer.... One night, while the officer was off duty, someone put a bag over his head and proceeded to beat him so bad he was in the hospital for a month....... It addressed the symptom... but NOT the underlying problem.
Let me make this perfectly clear, scumbag.
I do not consent to be governed. By anyone.
And that includes you and your gang of predators. Your presumption that SOMEHOW, by magic, YOU can gain some completely insane fictional "authority" over me and my life is a BLATANT LIE.
You cannot.
This is actually very simple to prove. Read for this?
How did you come to exist? You were born.
How did we come to exist? We were born.
See the symmetry? You are in no position relative to me that I am not also in relative to you. If you had (which you don't) ANY way to gain some valid justification to govern me, then by the very symmetry, I would have the same valid justification to govern you. And at best (for your argument) our fake "authorities" would cancel each other out, or more likely just lead to open warfare.
Which is exactly what we have.
However, some human beings are more busy producing goods and goodies to survive, to enjoy, and/or to trade with others.
While you and your pack of predators just come STEAL FROM THOSE OF US WHO PRODUCE the goods and goodies we all need to survive.
Which is why my characterization of you as predators is 100% valid, and my characterization of those of us who produce as producers (and prey) is 100% valid.
You are predators, and we are your prey.
That is 100% implicit and 100% explicit in your behavior and that OBSCENE FICTION that you call "law".
You and your fellow predators have ZERO legitimate basis to invent millions of demands and obligations to impose upon the rest of us. ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. Which is why you are predators, and you are necessarily predators. No other description is more precise.
And get this. I did not consent to be governed by my neighbors around me either. So just take any insane notion you have that I am inherently the plaything of my neighbors and shove that up your painful regions, and spin it. Yes, it is true that predators often "gang up on prey". Sure enough. And so I understand PRECISELY what you are doing when you claim that somehow, by some magic, that maybe I am not obligated to be governed by YOU individually, but by some magic that you inherently cannot explain or justify in any rational way, I am inherently the slave of whatever arbitrary claims and obligations "the pack of predators" or "the society" choose to arbitrarily foist upon me.
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So take your sad act and apply it to yourself. Bully yourself around all you wish. And if you predators want to rent a huge stadium and abuse each other all night long, go ahead and do that. That's fine with me, as long as you don't push or obligate anyone else to join your sad, twisted, viscious, aggressive, self-delusional predatory sense of life and... keep it to yourself and your sad twisted friends.
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You and your ilk are at least 1,000 times more dangerous to me than any lone individual, or any informal pack of predators like a neighborhood gang. The very fact that you and your scumbag predator brothers propagandize that you actually ARE "our insurance policy" is responsible for convincing so many people to never give a thought to how to defend and protect themselves and their family and friends. Which they should.
But, of course, then you and your predator brothers are doing EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN to disarm those of us who wish to be able to defend ourselves if necessary. You go out of your way to kill-on-sight or massively-aggravate any situation in which you see any human being OTHER THAN your fellow pack of predators with any kind of ability to defend themselves (a knife, a sword, a gun, etc).
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ALL NATIONS ARE FICTIONS.
Thus ALL BORDERS ARE FICTIONS.
The only reason there are "problems on the border" is... what? Because you and your fellow predators create these fictions, then ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE THEM. Well, except that approach is old hat today, is it not. Today, more often you and your ilk just try to get us to hate others (from across some fictitious border, for instance), then pretend somehow you are part of a solution!
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I could write a whole book, item by item, explaining how insane and warped your perspective is. But I have work to do, so I'll leave you with this.
We do not NEED YOU. We do not WANT YOU. The notion that we DO is pure propaganda created by various packs-of-predators that you support an ally with, including the predators-DBA-government, predators-DBA-corporations, predators-DBA-fiatbanksters, and so forth.
WE DO NOT NEED YOU. WE DO NOT BENEFIT FROM YOU IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
If there ever IS a need for self-defense, you will not arrive until the harm is done. At which time you will arrive and write a report. Like we don't know what happened. Sheesh.
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YOU ARE A PREDATOR. YOU DESERVE TO DIE. WHY? I spelled out the reasons earlier in this post. You are predators. You have ZERO authority over me and the rest of the honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human beings on this planet. Oh, and in case you want to twist my meaning, I'll make this perfectly clear. You have ZERO authority over anyone else either! Except... one exception. If someone attacks your or your family (not in retaliation to something you've done to them previously), then you are free to defend yourself. Just as we are. No different.
But for you to pretend I need to, or want you, or that you benefit me in any way is utterly and totally DISGUSTING. You let ME decide what services I want. And if I am ever stupid enough to go into a dangerous situation, I may hire someone to help me look after my safety (with my help).
Yes, there are bad people in this world.
Yes, life is not automatically just.
But you and your fellow predators-that-be are the single biggest reason that is true. Just go read some history for a change. Those humans who have been predators-DBA-governments and predators-DBA-other-fictions that demand obedience have killed and harmed more human beings during every time in human history. For you to pretend you have some authority to tell me how to live, how fast is safe to drive, what kind of physical objects I am allowed to posses (and then arrest me for hold onto an inert metal like gold, for example), is so gross, so disgusting, so vile, so evil as to almost defy words.
It is what it is. MASSIVE PREDATORY ABUSE.
I will figure out how to live my life.
You go figure out how to live your life.
Leave everyone else alone to live their lives.
Simple as that.
PREDATOR
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Oh, and don't give me the "vote the politicians in" crap either. I do not consent to be governed by ANYONE, and you cannot wave your hand and make that fact vanish by demanding I must be a slave to someone... but I am so lucky, I get to vote on which predators I prefer to be enslaved by.
I CHOOSE NONE.
That's the best rant I've read in a long time. Kudos.
Ann, I agree with almost everything you write, all the time, but, you sound so angry.
Seems to me, you have achieved a certain level of independence and should be happy.
Your hard edge is confusing. Take a look around you. There's an abundance of good in the world, yet you choose to focus on the negative. Try being positive for a change. You might like it.
An aside, in the article, the author states that .05 is one half of one percent. Incorrect. It's one half of one tenth of a percent. Is it possible, that writers might be taken more seriously if they didn't make glaringly obvious false claims - to their own detriment?
Just saying, as a former journalist myself, I'm ashamed at what passes for news or journalism these days.
It's a jungle out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc This is what happens when you call the cops.
My hometown has a very professional department and I cannot tell you how fortunate I feel because of that. But, people are getting assaulted brutally and the impact this will have on them cannot be understated. Loss of temper, in a hurry, corticosteroids, or energy bars...not sure, but something is wrong ith the cops and you know it.
Element of contempt is impossible to miss on the above video, and wish to do great bodily harm just because you can. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Cool cats with a steady mind are what heroes are made of, no guerrilla combatants who hide behind masks and hold stance of a soldier. Never saw anything like it except in a collapsing country, and they were soldiers, not law enforcement.
Compared to most people, I am indeed quite the happy camper. However, I more than most people comprehend how astronomical is the quantity of good that could and would be achieved by humans... if they did not live in a predator-controlled world.
Just to begin, most people would have 10 or 100 times better quality of life by now. Yes, that sounds insane on the surface, and unless you understand why this is true, you'd have to conclude "Ann must be nuts". But, I'm right, and I know I am. All an honest person needs to understand to realize I'm correct is to understand the exponential explosion of progress that happens over time, which feeds off itself, and takes off like a rocket... IF... and ONLY IF... people are left free of artificial human-predator imposed shackles.
If only the shackles had been thrown off and never attached again in 1776... by declaring a "permanent, self-confident, self-righteous anarchy" instead of yet-another fictional authoritarian fraud... where would we be today?
Well, for one thing, a large percentage of mankind would be exploring the solar system by now, and perhaps beyond. For another thing, the average productive individual human being today would achieve 1000 times more than they do in fact.
And all this would be true because the shackles are removed, so humans could invest their time and effort in intellectual and physical opportunities that the nature of reality provides us all. And every human being would have the benefit of every idea, every clue, every theory, every technology and every advancement that every other human being had made before them.
I'll just give you an example that should explain what I'm talking about, but will probably mean nothing to 99.999% of humans who read this. I work with a very small group of collaborators who already invented the science, engineering and technologies that could make the quality of life 1000 better for every human being on the planet in a matter of a few years.
But we can't do that. Due to predators like this scumbag and his predatory ilk, we may or may not be able to complete the final implementation (which is when the exponential take-off begins). Why? Well, two reasons are: because we have to 100% self-finance our work, and because we cannot collaborate with others. Why so? Because if any government realized what we have, they would steal the technology and apply it to even more complete and final enslavement of mankind rather than liberation of mankind.
And so what is the consequences of living in this predatory sewer of a planet? Well, just take our situation... the situation of fewer than 10 human beings. We can improve quality (and quantity) of human life by 1000x, but to avoid allowing the predators to completely and permanently destroy mankind, we must work ourselves to death and risk not completing our work to the point we can become free of danger from the predators.
Okay, that's the difference 10 people could make. Right now. Now multiply that by nearly 1 billion times to account for the opportunity removed from ALL human beings on this planet.
So my answer to you is this. I can't just see the individual damage done by these predators, because that's not the whole consequence, and not even the largest part of the consequence. What is happening right now, right at this point of having the potential to eliminate ALL human problems and open up untold opportunities? Rather than take off like a rocket, virtually all the intellectual, scientific and technological potential is being applied to fight wars, train swat teams, keep kids in jail for decades because some cop planted a join in their car, make the banksters hyper-rich while destroying any possibility for a real economy based upon real goods and goodies.
Right at the moment when the advancement of mankind could go exponential in the positive direction, what is happening instead? All that technology is being applied to keep man STUPID, to keep man INSANE, to keep man ENSLAVED, to prevent human beings from even having a clue what would be possible in a few more years, and what would already have existed for decades if not for the predator-led decent into intellectual and ethical darkness and depravity.
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If you were a journalist, then think about this for a second. This is a scientific statement about the fundamental nature of reality, so read it that way.
Destruction is vastly more powerful and potent than production.
Consider a simple example that pretty much parallels every other aspect of human life.
To build a home requires a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of skills, and a lot of materials and equipment. The value of all that is typically $100,000 to $300,000 not counting the value of all the inventions and knowledge developed over centuries.
To destroy a home requires about 1 minute, almost no effort, the skill required to light a match, and no materials (except the free book of matches) or other equipment.
THIS is what predators understand very clearly, but regular folks refuse to identify, because that would necessarily blow their entire self-deceptive programming out the window.
The predators take full advantage of this. The predators know the mere THREAT of destruction is sufficient to control people, to enslave people, to convince people to massively alter their behavior and to pay half or more of their income to the predators in a vain hope the damage done to them will be less than otherwise.
THIS is the power predators turn upon all humans who would otherwise become glorious creatures, achieve great or wonderful advances, and make life better for everyone. And the result?
Mankind is a sick joke... and that's the BEST characterization I can formulate that retains a shred of honesty. The reality is much more brutal and awful.
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I make a big deal of predatory behavior because... well... because I have a very good idea what the consequences may be. Would you like to hear a fairly good estimate of the consequences?
option #1: What will almost certainly happen. Mankind continues down the tubes, becomes utterly enslaved in ways most humans cannot even imagine (just consider the further development of micro-electronics and (in-your-face + in-your-body + in-your-home) personal-surveillance devices for starters). And finally, after horrific misery, mankind vanishes from the universe... to which I say "good riddens". And quite possibly the one and only sentient species to have ever existed in the universe... vanishes forever. At which point the entire awesome majesty and potential of the universe becomes utterly pointless for eternity.
option #2: What would happen absent domination by human predators. In a couple decades, smarter-than-human robots produce 1000 times greater goods and goodies of 1000 times better quality than today. No human needs to work to live a luxury life. Pollution is eliminated. Humans LITERALLY can choose to become immortal if they wish, by which I mean survive for trillions of years or more if they choose (one consequence of our technology, by the way). Mankind expands into the unspeakably enormous volume of the universe, slowly at first, and later a bit more efficiently as he develops better ways of "getting there and being there". Mankind becomes immortal, does not need to die and start over completely ignorant every generation, but accumulates more and better intellect indefinitely. Over an eternity longer than even I can fully grasp, mankind engineers the entire universe into endless gigantic super-quality luxury resorts of every imaginable nature and variety.
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Not much difference, huh?
Well, I see this. I know this, with complete clarity (especially because much of this is made possible by consequence of our advancements). And I don't even envision the other million or billion glorious opportunities that others would dream up if not for the overwhelming control of human predators.
So... forgive my anger. As you say, I do live perhaps the most peaceful life on the planet out here in the boonies. And if I was to conquer my ZH addiction, we could remove that "perhaps".
But I don't hide from reality, that's opposite my approach to life, so no matter how peaceful a life I live from today forward, I will always know that I had to spend 90% of my life savings (and much of 3 years time) to establish my self-sufficient digs in the extreme boonies. If not for that requirement, I'd have had 10 times more funds and a lot more time to focus on our project, and get done what needs to get done.
Though not everyone in our little group has the exact same story as me, the need to avoid predators-that-be has taken a substantial toll on all of us. Every one of us had to move to a location outside the major countries, away from easy access by the predators. And we cannot risk working in the same location, where we would be more efficient.
I need to stop this rant, but I will say one more thing. All of us working on this project are considered super-geniuses. But you know what? We all agree that the reason we are "super-geniuses" is not because of some magic gene we have, or because we had exceptional parents, or because we went to some great college... but simply because we are fully honest with ourselves. Which means, if all mankind was fully honest with themselves, we would not even be exceptional. Who knows how much better than our exceptional vision actual reality would be, if not for domination by human predators.
Something to be angry about now and then, when I am faced with the facts?
I think so.
For Chirst's sake. Give me something I can argue with. You're making me feel defeated.
Outstanding rant HAnn.
I passed once she declared war.
Democracy - the notion that deputised predation isn't predation.
the violence never starts until the police show up
i really don't want there to be any cops, the problem is that they are not accountable to the people that they supposedly serve.
i'd be happy to pay a private security company, and to defend my property with my own guns.
i don't want your "protection" or your "law enforcement", i just want you to go away and leave me the hell alone, i'm better off without you, i don't need or want you.
when i see a cop on the road, what i see is a threat, someone who can potentially kill me if he wanted to and get away with it.
'You wish to hire a private security company and defend yourself?'
Samalie warlords like that idea.
Mexican drug lords also like that idea.
Only the most wealthy can hire their own police force.
not quite - you're not thinking it through.
i wouldn't have to hire anyone full-time; think time-sharing, like a condo.
i have a gardener to take care of the yard work, he only comes by when needed, once or twice a month, quite affordable.
True, but few criminals will schedule their crime against you to fit a schedule convenient to you.
that's not a reasonable argument.
do criminals right now limit themselves to only committing crime when cops are around to protect you?
the issue we we talking about is public security services (cops) vs private security services.
think about other private occupations like plumber or locksmith...you only need them maybe once a year, you don't have to employ one full-time, you call them up when you need them.
Blackwater (it has another name now) privatized military security has a brutal but effective history. And it was immune from its soldiers actions, dispite a number of massacures. I suspect privatized police would not achieve a safer friendlier outcome then existing police... I agree with your earlier post that keeping a self protection gun in your home is wise (with child safety planning of course)
blackwater is a poor comparison, because they aren't really private, and they aren't security, they are government sponsored paramilitary group
That's a nice essay of self justification and ego building. And there is a kernel of truth to it.
But let me ask you this. What happens when one of your brother officers clearly shows he's just not fit to be a cop and carry a gun? Maybe he's too aggressive or too erratic or just doesn't seem to understand people's essential rights. What happens?
Do you and the other "good" cops work strenuously to protect the public by removing the bad cops from the force. No, almost without fail, you close ranks, rally the local cop union and protect the bad cops at all cost. The primary reason so many people hate, fear and distrust the police is that they will put the welfare of bad cops above the welfare of the public.
When the mafia like police unions are disbanded and polce are answerable to independant civilian review boards then you can tell me how great you all are.
What a bucket of pig slop. Used to be, a pig would pour out your beer and follow you home. Those days are long long gone.
Now, if crazy Uncle Henry locks himself in the bathroom, the last thing you want to do is call the pigs. When he finally comes out holding the hair dryer the pigs will "fear for their lives" and shoot crazy Uncle Henry. But at least the little piggy gets to go home safe to his family.
"When was the last time you had contact with a police officer (outside of a traffic violation you think you didn't deserve) that was not warranted?"
Man, you are asking that question in the wrong place...
Brave post. Also sensible for the most part. I am glad to be spared and live on this side of the veil though it might benefit us all if we all had to do more clean up duty. Then we might be more informed in terms of how to tweak this justice system of ours rather than being alienated and divorced from it and expecting you to do it perfectly according to our idea of how it should be when we do not understand the job. One poster above wants to know why you don't arrest some bankers. I get it that it is not your "department" if you are a street cop to go after financial fraud. More on that later, though.
I was in a store. A cop asked me out. I said no. I got into my car and he got into his squad car. He followed me in his car for a long time. Just followed. I tried to lose him and failed. I was scared to go home. I realize now he had to know where I lived but at the time I was doing what you do when you are being followed, you do not go home. I tried to evade him in an apartment complex I did not live in. Finally he just stopped but not before a lot of cat and mouse games had taken place. I did nothing to warrant what he did to me, NOTHING. It was an abuse of his authority. How am I going to go to the cops for help when it is a cop following me? You know this type of thing and more happens all the time. I will lay off on that because I agree that more of my interactions with cops have been positive, than negative. But I would not lead with that question if I were you, that was too easy to take the rug out from under that one.
The Ponzi scam is a structure that permeates every level, macro, messo, and micro. The Ponzi fractals up, down, and side ways. It is what our current society is based on, we want something for nothing, or next to nothing. We want to work smart and find the short cut, work the angles, get inside that loophole. THAT is what is means to be EXCEPTIONAL!
I am a professor. I can assure you my university is a Ponzi scam. The best thing I can say about it is that me and many others work inside this structure trying to teach our students something useful anyway, in spite of the fact that we wake up to find ourselves stuck in a Ponzi scam financed by government grants and student loans. We don't want it to be this way. We want to have students who can read and write come through our doors who actually want to learn, instead of students there for a the degree so they can get a better job. That opens up moral hazard in so many directions. If they don't want our services, if they don't want to learn, then yes, the University system should fail. Many of our students cannot read or write because they came out of a public school system that was based on Ponzinomics as well. They give them diplomas when they can't read and do fractions. If you teach stat of any kind this is a regular issue. They don't belong there but we take their money anyway. They are there for a degree, not learning, we take their money, and don't teach them, often because they don't have what they need to learn, in the first place.
I suspect this is your truth as well. You try to do your best, as do others, but you are located inside a system that encourages moral hazard, just like mine does. You have seen the posts, they hate teachers too! Lawyers of course. Politicians. Bankers. Don't you get it? We are the ones who are supposed to be the models for everyone else. We are the ones who are supposed to be trustworthy. We are blowing it because the system is broken, there is no accounability.
And so, you ain't going after no banker because the system is not set up for YOU to investigate that, now is it? They could not allow it. You can go after a guy who stole some gold from a store, but not a guy who is rigging the gold prices in the commodities market? Not your department, and the folks who are supposed to "police that" have not.
If you are honest, you will admit all our policing systems, from the top down, are corrupt, just like every other institution in the US, perhaps the world. Until we start doing some real policing at all levels, and prosecuting, all the rest will stay Ponzi and stay corrupt. There is no voting on a better system when the voting apparatus is unpoliced and corrupted by corporations who have money to lobby and get the laws to go their way.
I have gone on to long. I would love to type something for you that showed how the prision, police, military, and educational system is a Ponzi complex where each entity feeds the others and all of them are becoming militarized.
Good night. Or morning.
I would love to type something for you that showed how the prision, police, military, and educational system is a Ponzi complex
...and medicine.
Ho Ho Ho, wtf does this mean? "Outside of traffic violations, I'd really love to know who has had police contact that you didn't deserve."
Quite the specious argument ya'll got there, Bucko.
You don't want to know about the gazillion times we have been harrassed by the local yokels for the made up bullshit you throw in our faces all the time?
That would be very self serving. i would expect nothing less from a cop.
i was in the cab business in a large metropolitan area for several years. cops are useless, some of the dumbest people i know. you try dealing with the same people you have to deal with with nothing more than your wits and see how long you last you useless piece of .gov dole shit. i have had friends murdered and ignored by the local news while i had to pay my tax dollars for a thousand cop funeral procession. fuck you on behalf of my dead friends.
I lived in a small/mid-size city in N. Michigan that had city, county and State police.
In the time that I lived there the police had harassed and attempted to illegally enter someone's home that was legally wearing a gun on his property. They assaulted his home and when he attempted to repel them the policeman's buddies riddled the house and the cop full of bullets the home owner was arrested imprisoned and civilly sued for their negligence.
The police regularly drove while intoxicated having a uniformed police vehicle escort them on their off time as " professional courtesy" on the tax payers dime. Would I get such a benefit?
Also as professional courtesy a State police officer collided with another vehicle occupied by an older gentlemen and his wife severely injuring them.
The state policeman was allowed to leave the scene out of " professional courtesy" without a breath analysis or being placed under arrest. Nothing happened to him other than a cake reassignment.
Those are just three examples from one year. Perhaps the police having a bad rep comes from the double standards and sense of entitlement many police live by?
As far as all the scenarios that you cited I wouldn't be involved in any of them. I don't drink, use drugs,or involve myself with unseemly characters nor does my family and I am armed at all times why do I need the police exactly other than an enforcement arm for local government and business ?
Further it seems that you are using a straw man argument to incite fear to curry favor. By the way I really enjoy the indignation of the police when issuing a traffic ticket for speeding when I regularly have seen police outside of the jurisdiction (obviously on the way home) breaking the land speed record.
Also why is it again that the police need new vehicles every couple of years? Have to justify your budget?
If I were a mayor you all would be riding around in the smallest cheapest used vehicles the police force would be slashed by 50% as would the budget and you would be walking a beat and picking up litter when not actually involved in your main line of work.
Hey by the way shoot anyone's puppy lately or stun grenade someone's kid or pepper spray a family?
Don't complain about your job it is unseemly as you chose your line if work or quit. It's like a fireman stating there are a lot of fires, or a soldier complaining hey I have to sleep outside,... No shit.
"... You call us..."
What a bunch of bullshit. Just get out.
You don't prevent crimes. You only respond to them. You're at your most benign there to file a report of what you think happened. Mostly for insurance purposes.
And any half intelligent person views a cop as a wild animal that could turn on them at any second ready to kill. You have a weapon and immunity from the state. To view you anything other uncaged lion is ridiculous.
How many weapons to you carry with you? You have a baton, a tazer (an electro shock torture device), a gun, and pepper spray (a chemical weapon). This is my insurance policy? Go fuck yourself.
If there is a law that needs to be changed, and you can not change it, you must break it.
Thanks. Good post.
"If you get pulled over, you probably did something wrong, and you get a ticket"
Mpizzie, that's the fucking problem. Everywhere I go now I'm being treated like a suspect and I'm not doing anything illegal. Cops are pulling people over on random checks and violating thier 4th amendment rights JUST TO CONDITION THE POPULATION. Been to the airport lately? Deposited cash sum larger than $2k at a bank lately? EVERYONE'S A POTENTIAL TERRORIST!
Have you seen the posts on zhedge about civil asset forfeiture? Cops are literally stealing money from people who have not been convicted or even charged with crimes to buy fucking toys, TOYS! Cops see cash they see an opportunity to CONFISCATE for their own personal benefit. Anyone who has cash must be a drug dealer, right?
Cops shouldn't be military, but that's where the training is coming from. Not just military, but Israeli military, a military that's actively genociding a population and stealing Palestinian land.
This bitch is rotting from the head down. You might be a good cop, but your culutre is quickly ripening like a rotten egg in the sun.
Outside of traffic violations, I'd really love to know who has had police contact that you didn't deserve.
'Deserve'? There are literally millions of laws. You're saying they're all just?
Tickets, municipal laws, are voted on by the local government, and enforced by the police - the messenger...
...Our jobs should be easy, like in Europe, but we are reacting to what you guys saying 'don't vote' created...
...But don't say we are the problem - you are the problem for creating this...
Listen, asshole, you're not just the messenger. Without YOUR individual actions, wicked laws wouldn't be enforced. My individual vote makes absolutely no difference to the outcome of an election. Every time you enforce a wicked law, you, personally, are directly committing an evil act.
If the laws were just, or, if you refused to carry out the unjust laws, you could justify your paycheck. But you have surrendered your moral autonomy; the only thing separating you and any Gestapo goon is the set of laws you are given to enforce.
As far as I'm concerned, if you're carrying out an evil act, the person you're hurting has every right to resist you.
And if you get harmed in the process, whose fault is that?
Risk? You signed up for it. Are you being held prisoner,capitve,kidnapped,pow or like to bully the unarmed. Stop whinning.
According to the Supreme Court in 3 cases your job is to enforce codes and to arrest law breakers. NOT TO PROTECT ANYONE BUT YOURSELF. That is the job of the people. The problem is you have become revenue generators for the state. Most of you go to work and sit around for the pension that isn't going to come.
mpizzie, as a former MP, who did not continue in LEO work after the 101st, you are wrong..we are all paying the price of corruption, too many laws and regs, too much injustice..12yo getting shot for holding toy guns. The case of Miriam Carey is very on point. young mother shot in DC for wrong turns and such, un armed with young child in vehicle, sorrounded by 10 or more officers standing by her car is shot multiple times- video is available, or this recent ferguson shooting- when all the idiot had to do was back up and wait for help, you know minutes away as they say..add in the failure to arrest and charge wall street crooks and justice is long forgotten.
my point is you serve the corrupt why expect respect from those who are victims of your corrupt judges and pols?
When was the last time you had contact with a police officer (outside of a traffic violation you think you didn't deserve) that was not warranted?
Two years ago. Son moved in with a woman who had a two small children (not his). Mom and Son argued, he wanted to get his stuff out of her place. She said no, locked the door and got in her car to leave. Agile son jumped through the car's sunroof, grabbed the keys, and let himself into the apartment. He did not find his stuff (primarily 2k of PMs).
Get a call a few days later, oh yes, she will allow him to retrieve his belongings. I give him a ride over to her apartment. She is 'in the bathroom' can you please wait. Sure. A pair of county sheriffs show up immediately and take son into custody. I'm asking what the charges are, and am informed the sheriff dept. told the young woman to lure son back over to the apartment so he could be arrested for 'kidnapping' for taking her car keys in the first incident. I am told if I say another word, I will be arrested for 'terrorism' under the homeland bullshit laws.
Incensed, I drive to the sheriff substation to file a complaint of theft by the woman, met by an officer outside the substation, who refuses to let me file a report, and threatens to arrest me.
Don't believe your own PR, pal.
Bullshit. I had a cop show up at my house at midnight looking for someone who once lived at my house and had been in an accident. Even though it was midnight I politely answered his questions until he asked me for the persons current address. I said I didn't know the address though I knew where he lived. The cop accused me of lying. I told him I was done talking to him and went to close the door. The armed cop put his foot in so I couldn't close it. I told him he was violating the law and could not enter witout a warrant and that he needed to leave. After several minutes he left only when I had someone start to videotape the encounter. He left threatenting to come back in a couple hours with more officers and take care of me. I called the PD and let them know that they better deal with it because I was going tobe ready if he came back. Although this cop committed an armed home invasion (he admitted to everything I stated) he was only suspended for 30 days. Had I done the same I would have been charged with a felony and done serious time.
I have also had god experiences with cops but not on balance overall. I can understand a rogue cop getting through the system or going off the rails. I can't understand a system that, instead of charging the cop, and fireing the cop, simply gives him a slap on th wrist.
I give you top marks for literacy and bravery for posting here, but seriously, dude:
I live in Toronto, Canada. In the past five years, I have seen police behaviour that makes me want to vomit.
Case in point: G20 summit in Toronto.
Just last year:
All that happened in Toronto, which is regularly lauded as one of the safest (~1 murder per week in a city of 2.5 million or roughly 2 murders per 100,000 annually, well below, say Detroit with 50+ or St. Louis with 33+) cities on the continent.
I used to be a fan of cops, but I now see most of them as more interested in
You may personally be a nice guy, and I think maybe 80% of cops fit that mold. It's the 1 in 5 who is a psychopathic bully that is hurting the perception of all police, and the closing of the ranks behind them, instead of pushing for them to leave the force, that makes us lump you all together.
You're a punk bitch.
MARCH OF THE PIGS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3c9CbDLTXY