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Russia's Patience Is Wearing Thin
Submitted by Chris Martenson Via Peak Prosperity,
Having lived in the former USSR before immigrating to the US, Dmitry Orlov has an invaluable perspective on both the US and Russian perspectives, as well as Ukraine.
With the western propaganda flying thick and heavy, it's more important than ever to cut through the chaff and learn what we can about the most important geopolitical realignment (and renewed tensions) in recent memory.
Well, look, Russia is a place that's extremely dynamic as changing response to challenging environment, to changed environment, very popular throughout the world, at peace with most of the world, even with nations that are at war with each other, both sides will still talk to Russia and have friendly relations. Russia has a splendid relationship with both Israel and Iran for instance.
The United States is a nation that can't get anything together, can't get anything on, not education, not healthcare, nothing. It's basically sinking into a cesspool of its own making it can't respond at all. And now, it is basically being shown up to be quite incompetent in playing this international game. Now, what happens if you can't play a game by the rules is you're penalized and you forfeit the game. So, either the US leadership will learn how to play by the rules or they forfeit. I see those are as the only two real outcomes.
There's a difference to how the Russians approach the world and how the Americans approach the world. So, for instance, Americans like to threaten. If you don't do this, then we will do X, Y and Z. That's a typical American behavior.
That's not something that the Russians would ever do because they don't threaten, they just act because if you threaten, then you take away the element of surprise which is very important. The other thing is Americans refuse to talk to their enemies, they won't negotiate with terrorists, they won't do X, Y and Z and can't be reasoned with at all. You can just listen to them and do what they say or they'll bomb you whereas the Russians always talk to their enemies. Russia keeps the channels of communication open.
And the other thing is that all of this endless trash talking is very detrimental to the business of democracy and there's been a constant stream of basically garbage emanating from the west, some of it social media, some of it through the old fashioned press. But, just basically all kinds of lies and disinformation and slander, which makes the tedious business of diplomacy establishing various links at various levels very difficult, if not impossible. So there's just this incredible level of disgust with their, as they say, partners in the west in Moscow and the result is they're not really eager to talk anymore. They're not very interested in communicating. They're far more interested in acting. So, what we'll probably see is a constant stream of surprises coming from Russia that will be completely unannounced and not predicted by anyone.
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In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the communistic, or Bolshevik, no; but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallised, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. EDGAR CAYCE
Good.
Kick some ass Mr. Putin.
For changes are coming, this may be sure – an evolution, or revolution in the ideas of religious thought. The basis of it for the world will eventually come out of Russia; not communism, no! But rather that which is the basis of the same, as the Christ taught – His kind of communism!
in orthodoxy, Moscow is called the Third Rome ... the first Rome being Rome, and the second Constandinople.
Putin doesn't have to do a thing.
The fraudulent LBMA gold market is collapsing.
Putti is just standing-back to stay clear of the pyramid as it implodes.
"There's a difference to how the Russians approach the world and how the Americans approach the world. So, for instance, Americans like to threaten. If you don't do this, then we will do X, Y and Z. That's a typical American behavior.
That's not something that the Russians would ever do because they don't threaten, they just act because if you threaten, then you take away the element of surprise which is very important."
That is very interesting.
The US is acting like an alpha-male within a tribe - the New World Order - and Russia's behavior is basically the strategy of one tribe attacking a neighboring tribe - a sneak attack.
Another indication that the US is a bigger danger than Russia.
Actually the USA and Europe are committing suicide by allowing central bankers to destroy their currency and their economy.
We have Jim Jones as Fed Chairman.
Drink up.
Yep, the West will destroy itself, Russia will have nothing to do with it, aside from scratching their heads going "why would you do that to yourself?"
I think the Collapse of the USSR and what happened afterwards is a good model to expect over here, but much worse...
As for the author...Is there a reason why he stays here in the US? He must still have family ties back in Russia, why not just move back? I don't get people praising other nations while absolutely hating the one they're in. Why not just move? Especially if you truly believe that the worse will happen here.
Vote with your feet, instead of your mouth, much less hypocritical that way.
to hobopants:
Many Russians now own real estate in different countries and have business interests in different countries. Many Russians, for example live and work in Dubai and Beijing.
And Orlov doesn't "hate" the US, he is disappointed in current developments and wants it to become better for everyone.
Not that you know the difference...
I'm afraid it's you who doesn't know the difference... Dmitry Orlov fled the soviet union at it's collapse, he isn't some business expat. If he was some Russian business man it would be different, but here is a guy who abandoned Russia when times got tough, and is now preaching about how great Russia is compared to the US. His residency here says he really believes otherwise.
Pathetic.
We should be interested in truth and truth alone regarding the US, regarding Russia, regarding the world in general. Instead all I see is a rise in the mindless nationalism that always breaks out right before war.
This blog continues to shit on itself by catering to Russophiles. I love the financial analysis, but this crap is mind-numbing and attracts the lowest common denominator. The comment section basically looks like Fox news and Russia Today had an abortion together, a far cry from where it was at even a year ago.
imo it is not russophiia but recognition that since, say, 9-11 the u.s. has changed from sort of a democracy to sort of a police state, particularly in the international dimension.
I love my country, but I hate the evil bastards running it. Let them move out!
so when West or Japan is "printing" where inflation is below 2%, it's destroying the economy, but when Kremlin does that with currency collapsing and hyperinflation round the corner - it's true leadership ?
Funny....the first six comments, on an article criticizing propanganda, are propaganda. Fun times.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/propaganda
prop•a•gan•da (?pr?p ??gæn d?)
n.
1. information or ideas methodically spread to promote or injure a cause, movement, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information or ideas.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
4. (cap.) a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
[1710–20; < New Latin, short for congreg?ti? d? prop?gand? fid? congregation for propagating the faith]
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I don't see where they are methodical, deliberate, or by an organization or movement.
Do YOU work for the government?
He's going to be standing there a long time, Bob.
Maybe get him a coat or something...?
Would Washington be the second hell?
will end up like the first Rome - in misery. Just look at Liliputin already begging for cancellation of sanctions
This read is one of the most "Pro-Russian" reads I have seen on ZH. Therefore it Suks the most.
<------ Down vote me again,
But this is NOT going to turn out well for Russia.
Just sayin.
"just sayin" I find that little blurb interesting. I encounter it mostly when reading blog comments elsewhere that are generated by those followers of FOX news and their fellow travelers. They often tag on at the end "just sayin". Now in a logic based argument or point of view, I can see nothing of value in this tag line, unless it is some sort of code for other fellow believers.
I am not unfamiliar with the "American Exceptionalism" crowd and their usual thought patterns and arguments. It is a belief system, not a fact based system.
The entire comment that I comment on here is short and totally lacking in evidence, logic or clear argument. It simply states "it suks" if it is not in line with the belief system of FOX type Zionest and American Exceptionalist thinking. There is also a threat thrown in that the war machine is going to make things "not turn out well for Russia". I assume this threat is US military based and is aother belief system that "The US military is not to be stopped".
I just find these type of comments interesting in how they expose the new American fascism and it's belief in their superiority come to in the same way German Nazi superiority was come to. It is a simple minded belief system. And is what is driving a former free country into a world class bully and war maker. Always claiming to be under threat as it itself is the classic imperial war monger.
I completely agree with your logic, Jack...
just saying...
Ive been hearing an interesting term lately from those who have broken free and given up on the "system". Its "Deep Capture".
Deep capture is when some higher up oligarc sets the statdard for those under them where the talking heads and journilists and PHD's are given the boundries within which they may operate. Stay in the boundries, that is that which agrees and supports the status quo, or lose your job and be black listed in every way of your profession.
Deep capture is the most incedious form of control and it is that which but be broken. Hire the black listed professionals and offer refuge if you can and it gives those captured within the system an alternate path of employment.
I read this just recently, and I think nails the "deep capture" of the system: Closing Minds [anolen.com]
One of the perks of working with these analysts was that occasionally they would organize lunches with themed discussions. One such lunch was organized by a very genteel and soft-spoken analyst: a middle-aged lady who’d been with the CIA for most of her career. The subject of her talk was what we junior analysts could expect if we signed up for a career at the CIA.
She tried to give a balanced view of what the job was like and what qualifications were necessary. The lady had been recruited out of a humanities PhD program, having spent a year in her the region of expertise studying at a US-aligned college campus. Prior to that she hadn’t traveled out of the USA– outside of brief family vacations. Her parents had been civil servants and she grew up in a comfortable East-coast suburban community.
She told us that the typical CIA analyst was lucky if they could spend two weeks out of the year in their region of expertise. The rest of their time would be at a desk, in front of a computer, working through their daily stack of intelligence.
Their daily stack of intelligence. You see, CIA analysts don’t just trawl around picking up random bits of information. There are ‘approved’ information sources that analysts have to work from, and every day somebody else trawls through these sources looking for information that it’s okay for the analysts to see. The packet of predigested info is then sent to the analyst for summary. That’s how things like The President’s Daily Brief are put together, at least according to this veteran analyst and her colleagues.
Recap: CIA analysts are basically secretaries, who write memos on research that somebody else does. Unlike secretaries, CIA analysts bear the burden of responsibility when the info turns out to be biased or incorrect. They are sort of like an army of punching-bags. Or straw-men.
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During our orientation as junior analysts we were given a list of acceptable sources to use– the list contained about 20 journal and newspaper titles, which were in turn subdivided into ‘left’ and ‘right’ leaning sources, such as The Washington Post or stuff published by The Heritage Foundation or AEI. (We were non-partisan, remember!) There was also a short third column for publications that were totally beyond the pale, such as The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
indygo55 Indeed! All you said in totally true. Deep Capture began in earnest in the 1980's, it has progressed forward to a mature and nearly all controlling form inside the USA. What most people now "think" was long since planned and prepared in the deep capture system of education, media and social life.
This type of 'deeep capture' was endemic within the Soviet intel services, particurlarly exacerbated by Reagan's Star Wars threats which seemed to paralize their anylitical abilities.
I have a sense that Jackson/Vannictk had a lot to do with the current situation. At some point a decision was made that the US was the safer bet and thus the migration to the US 'cosmopolitans'. They now openly control US institutions. Now social and economic destruction pretty much in everyone's face but few are ready to accept and act on the changes. The topic is forbidden.
As an aside, I've always wondered what happened to the Soviet deep cover folks after the collapse. The few ex intel folks I knew weren't able to provide answers. I suspect they're happily retired in Tel Aviv.
I had to log in just to upvote that one peabody...
Its endemic in all empires.
Before WWI all Brits knew for certain that Dog was English,played cricket. and the Empire
would last forever, because of the stength of its armed forces.The Romans, Spanish etc
all thought that same way.
Self delusion ,and group sociopathy are symptoms of the terminal death of empires.
World wars mark their passing, and from where I'm standing Putin is the only hope to avoid
one.A slim hope at best.
In fairness to the Brits, they were just about the only empire builders ever that gave it up more or less voluntarily when their time ran out, instead of trying to bring down the whole world with them. One can only hope that the Americans will show the same grace when their time comes (which will be very soon).
The whole world was already falling apart.WWII started in 1939 , not 1941 as many Americans
believe.
With the Rothchilds controlling both CB's, did they really cede the empire ?
I wonder sometimes.Seems more like a changing of the guard, than the emperor.
some say WWII started with Japan's seizure of Manchuria in 1931.
Some also say it was Act II of WWI.
Don't think of it as Empire but instead of as the NWO operating like a hermit crab.
Having thrown off the husk of Britain for the USA in 1913 they now have their sights set on the final redoubt, China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGBzpHmya4
The Brits did not give up anything, but more to the point, the Brits just included greater numbers into their fold of corruption so that they could continue their parasitic lifestyles and elitest delusional grandure. Moreover, the entire system of Economics in the Western World has been rendered useless since March 10th 2008 @ 11:00am Bear Stearns time New York City USA. The City in England is the largest earner in the whole of the God damned UK. The UK and Germany are the principle economies that have drawn benefit from the formation of the European Union and they are the first to claim they want out. Shell games, my boy, shell games. The British have never played fair in their God damned lives at anything that I am aware of. Was the opium trade with
China to be characterized as 'fair'? Is the Queen of England a 1%er? I rest my case.
More 'bla-bla' wishful thinking about gold...just like the recent Swiss referendum. Yawn. Oh yeah, then there's this gas deal, wow, I'm sure Russia will make a huge profit on that..NOT.
And for FUCK SAKE CHRIS, WORK ON YOUR GODDAMN PRONUNCIATION, it's not "Pjjjootin" and it's not "Ya-NI-kovych."
Russia is a great country with fantastic people with a nice and dark sense of humour, yet Russia will never be an industrially advanced state. Russia has wasted decades after the collapse of the USSR, and it has bought itself a little bit of 'wealth' and time due to the high oil price of the last 10-15 years. But anything else? Aircraft? Look at Tupolev and Sukoi, still making more or less outdated Sovjet junk, not much that can compete with Boeing or Airbus. Cars? Look at Lada, that shoudl answer your questions. Pharmaceuticals? Nope, it all needs to be imported from the EU. High tech? Nope, all imported from China and the US. The only thing Russia can do is pump oil and gas and hope that the price is high.
As Russia's former PM Viktor Chernomyrdin brilliantly observed: "We wanted the best, but it turned out like always."
The US doesn't make cars any more. All American cars are made in Mexico or China.
Meanwhile, Russia will be Europe's largest car market by 2016
http://rt.com/business/russia-car-germany-2016-306/
Nuclear energy, non-technologies, space exploration, military technologies, software engineering, medical breakthroughs notwithstanding, Bokkenrijder is still not impressed with Russia.
Why do I detect the touch of Ukrainian accent in your posts? https://twitter.com/bokkenrijder1
You're a goats lover, are you not?
Russia was raped and robbed by a handful of Jewish 9they WERE) OLIGARCHS under Drunkstin, no doubt with help from western academics and NGOs and politicians.
They lost 15/20 years.
Putin is so hated because he largely took back Russian resource wealth and played the oligarchs against the other.
The mostly Jewish neocons hate him simply because Putin has blocked Jews from cntrolling the country, although they are, as is common, a wealthy and privileged minority, primarily loyal though they are, to international Jewry and Israel.
Reminds me of an old joke I heard a while ago, so this is best effort to repeat:
In the old country Moishe calls the local police station and asks: "I've heard the jews have sold out mother Russia, is that true?"
The answer from the other side of line comes back swiftly: "Yes, it is true".
Moishe then follows up with another question: "If that's the case, where can I go to collect my share?"
Jack Burton.........
So, my simple mind is "Simple" to your communist way of thinking.
I find your comments here often enough to draw my own conclusion about your comments.
I find you as communistic as any here, your self thoughts as if yours is the one & only frame of mind going.
You put down any that you disagree with on these open pages.
Openly have distain for others that think differently.
I am just stating my observation of you and your comments.
Remember you openly put me down for my beliefs and thoughts first.
So turns about fair I comment about yours.
Why can't you write yours and let others be?
Do you feel better now?
Just Sayin ....
"This won't end well for Russia."
State your case.
They won't become a vassal state to God's exceptional country, the US.
No, they are becoming a vassal state to the Middle Kingdom. Nothing like choosing to be a vassal to #2. Real smart.
Nonsense comment.
They won't be a vassal to anyone while they have 3-4 thousand nuclear weapons.
FlyingHigh: Can you even speak proper English? I have no idea what you're saying. Not trying to discriminate, but your lack of good grammar is impeding your ability to effectively get a thought across.
If you continue to repost senseless sentences, you inevitably amout to nothing more than a shill.
Like most who can't write or speak effectively, they get crushed in a battle of wits, facts and ideas.
Welcome to the American public education system and MSM brainwashing effort. Sadly, they have been winning the minds and hearts of the people for far too long.
What better way to destroy a hated enemy than to systematically degrade their ability to reason and use logic, their ability to prepare and present a cogent argument, and their ability to effectively write a coherent sentence? Combine all of the above with a processed food diet low in nutrition and high in toxic garbage, and add a whopping helping of mass media degeneracy and rampant consumerism. You now have a population that has been reduced to the level of ambulatory toxic waste, easy to manipulate, pillage and plunder.
Why bother to destroy cities with old-fashioned munitions and expensive warfare, when you can reduce their populations to human oatmeal, and then simply take whatever you like with no resistance whatsoever?
The problem is the not very human dupes who take great pleasure in forcing their beliefs upon others. Like you.
I really do want you to live under whatever shithole government you want, but try to be civilized and keep it to yourself and your fellow dupes. Why the addiction to enslaving others to A BELIEF YOU POSSESS?
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/panarchism
Panarchism is a political philosophy emphasizing each individual's right to freely join and leave the jurisdiction of any governments they choose, without being forced to move from their current locale. The word "panarchy" was invented and the concept proposed by a Belgian political economist, Paul Émile de Puydt in an article called "Panarchy" published in 1860. The word "panarchy" has since taken on additional, separate meanings, with the word "panarchism" referring to the original definition by de Puydt.
De Puydt, a proponent of laissez-faire economics, wrote that "governmental competition" would allow "as many regularly competing governments as have ever been conceived and will ever be invented" to exist simultaneously and detailed how such a system would be implemented. As David M. Hart writes: "Governments would become political churches, only having jurisdiction over their congregations who had elected to become members."
Governments willingness to compete is as probable as large corporations doing so. So NO it will not happen. Governments, as with large corporations, are instead banding together in alliances to eliminate competition, not advance it. Its all for the good of the people/consumers. Right....
"In spite of your rage you still find yourself living in a cage"...an increasingly smaller cage.
Putin is championing Russia, but do not think for a minute that Russians are anymore loved by their leaders than Americans. Ultimately they are simply acting to advance THEIR powers. Anything that trickles down on "the people" that would be a benefit is only an accident, regardless of what country they live.
But do not believe for a moment that those pushing a progressive agenda will not use Putin's popularity as a template for their policies, none of which actually include nationalism beyond collectivist statism.
Progressivism/socialism/communism/statism/fascsim/totalitarianism all depend on dominance and power over everyone...not a few, not even a majority...everyone, and as every leftist knows, the only reason communism failed is because they could not force the world to adhere to its principles. The growing governmental/corporate cabal will get us there eventually as the corruption will destroy our means of self sustaining without theft, without redistribution, of which government and corporations will always get their slice, wetting their beak at the public trough.
Eventually we will sell ourselves into slavery, not the slavery we like to refer to currently as our plight, but real slavery, harsh, brutal an unending.
The only difference in governments is in the varieties of cons used to dupe the dupes and shear the sheep.
The Soviets began as a real nasty and ended up pretty lame. The US started out fairly benign and has ended up a real nasty. It has been the most violent destructive country in the last 75 years.
Flying High's Bio:
FlyinHigh
Truck driver for 40 years. 10-4, yea, thats my handle.
Work on Alaska's North Slope oilfield, yea, oilfield trash as well.
Home is on the Northern Redwood Coast in California.
Currently in Odessa, Ukraine, on vacation, chaseing a woman.
Oh Yea, I almost forgot.... FUCK YOU N.S.A
I read your letter a few times. Tone of voice is poorly communicated by text. Jack Burton is not really trashing you, just pointing out a few things.
Brother, I suggest you lay off the vodka for a few days.....
You would think a guy like Flyinghigh would have his eyes wide open, given the lives that were lost in that city at the hands of right sector thugs.
Back on the weekend Okhrana shift? Sorry to hear about your demotion. But cheer up, if you boost your level of credibility, you might make it back to the weekday squad that can be trusted to post when people are actually paying attention.
Tarabel, problem with Ukrainians from the North East is that they define themselves by hating Russia, an anti Russia. Other than joining the EU and becoming a normal nation, there is no positive vision. The EU will not accept the Ukraine for at least the next 10 years (it is questionable if the EU will survive beyond 2025 and Turkey is still waiting), so is left for the Ukies is to become an 'affiliated' state of NATO. This means your soldiers go off to die on behalf of American corporate interests, while your country is asset stripped for kopecs on the dollar. Good choice for America, bad for you.
In any event, the Ukrainian question will be settled within the next year. With no natural gas or coal, and debt default looming soon (IMF left Kiev without committing to further funding) the economy will stop functioning in the next 6 months. Without Russia, the EU and US cannot help the Ukraine restore itself to a semblance of economic health. These are the hard facts.
Frankly, I'd be more impressed if you advocated the Ukraine defaulting on all foreign debt, and ejecting the oligarchs. Instead, all you offer are gratuitious insults and blind anti russian hatred. If you substituted the world black, jew, or chinese for russian, they would jail you in Canada for your comments.
The use of Bold helps your presentation. However, you could go that extra step and make it ALL CAPS for extra emphasis.
"I find you as communistic as any here..."
Gone are the days when you could supress or refute someone by merely calling them a Communist.
Worked in the 1950s or the 1960s, not today. Try again.
Post WW1 Germany was a lot worse off than the USA is now. They were a people who tended to idolize their leaders.
This is not so in the USA. In general (at the moment) everything seems well and in general the people despise their leaders and see them as fools and incompetent ones at that.
American exceptionalism is a fact. It is due to the exorbitant privilege but a fact anyway. When we lose reserve status things will get messy but I don't see a turn to find a glorious leader to help us.
As for the media and their opinions and the way they present their ideas, I suspect you are one of the few watching, who really cares...Fox, MSNBC....just a cheap version of Pravda.
The US will soon see a roughly 50 to 60% drop in the ability to buy imports. How we deal with this I'm not sure. I suspect it will depend on how fast it happens. The faster the worse it will be.
Jack Burton for President of the USA!
A guy with sense, logic and humanity... Go Jack!
"And is what is driving a former free country into a world class bully and war maker"
I agree except that this has been happening since 1953 or earlier.
When employeed correctly it implies sarcasm. The poster above you either used it incorrectly or his sarcasm is not well suited for this audience. It's not the rocket surgery you make it out to be.
Just sayin'
(Didja see what ah dun der?)
Otherwise, yeah, not a fan of US imperialism and don't think Putin has our best interests in mind either.
Check out _Born To Rebel_ by Frank Sulloway a well known Personality
Theorist. His empirical research nails his thesis that birth order is a significant predictor of political leanings and authoritarian belief systems.
Turns out that first born children tend to be much more conservative in terms of political stripes , but last born into a family constellation tends to be non-conservative in appraoch and a rebel at heart because of birth order alone as a determinant of left or right wing beliefs. Birth order is a better predictor than gender, or parental influence, socioeconomic status, et cetera. I kid you not. Anywho, guaranteed that the poster in question is a first born individual given the reflexive knee-jerk authoritarianism displayed on the post.
Why do people insist on the 'just sayin' quip...? It is perfectly fine that you state 'But this is not going to turn out well for Russia'. Simply explain Why that is so.
Devaluing by removing responsibility.
ie: Cowardice.
Non-commitall Libra disease is readily apparent.
Or just a plain ole low grade psychopath.
Taking on the Russians is a fucking stupid idea.
<3
--Napoleon & Hitler
George H W Bush.
America.
Both replies are ridiculous for obvious reasons.
Although all you shitheads who are gung ho for a military confrontation with Russia -- I hope you enlist first. You'll understand why both the French and the Germans have cultural aversions to fighting the Russians. Makes sense the next empire in line will try and take on the Russians.
Same shit -- different century. Results will be the same.
The obvious choice would be for America to concentrate on strengthening its own position, economically and militarily. Instead we are doing the opposite, butting into every foreign issue we can imagine and create even more yet to be imagined, while gutting our military leadership with politicians and reducing our ability to respond to real threats. Like everything else, more effort is investing in looking tough that actually being tough.
The key to any country's security is to enable itself to be the last country anyone would want to tangle with, not going around trying to eliminate its rivals.
Word is the southern border is like a fortress.
Who needs to invade Russia? It is imploding under the weight of a relatively mild set of Western sanctions.
It's very sad to see the once-mighty CCCP become the economic vassal of one of its former client states.
Okay, I lied. It isn't sad at all. It's hysterically funny to watch the Weekend Okhrana caper around and pretend that Russia is winning.
Russia has its issues. No doubt. It isn't perfect.
To says its getting crushed is your NWO boner popping out.
The CCCP was a horrid shitshow. The Russia today is humanity's best hope right now.
Well, Switzerland let the side down, to be sure.
Yes, Napoleon & Hitler were not the brightest lights in the world. Neither is Putin!
All were brilliant in their own right. So is our leadership.
They all have the same failure -- over estimate themselves and underestimate their enemies.
+ King Darius of Persia (Russians were called Scythians then)
Our final score:
Gipper: 1
Empire of Evil: 0
(Cold War)
Our other final score:
Hindenburg/Ludendorff: 1
Lenin: 0
(WWI)
Our other, other final score:
England/France: 1
Russia: 0
(Crimean War)
Cracking Downvote Flyinhigh I think you've beaten my record. Perhaps Flyindown
would be a better monika ! This piece is total cock ! It is aimed at the US and the West.
Do people think that MSM and Russian MSM ie RT etc are any different to eachother
with what they put out ?
Propaganda is not unique to the medium of your preference. Read between the fucking lines.
Many of the Zero Hedgers here have also served as the flacid, compliant men that Vlad routinely drops to the canvas during heroic displays of the Russian leader's manliness, so they're the perfect apologists for another run at failure via Soviet Union V2.0.
Congratulate them on their acts of genuflection!
Many of the Zero Hedgers like Amerikan Pederast here have also served as the homoerotically tittilated 'men' for whom thoughts of Vlad routinely drop them to the canvas to perform their 'american' masturbation duties. Their unrequited sodomaniacal desires make them nearly perfect propagandists for the current decline and failure of Soviet Union America.
Their stunted intellect limits their 'arguments' to fag hominem, but with the persistence of a retard. Congratulate them on their acts of projection!
Clever, LOL. +1000
If it's not going to turn out well for Russia it's NOT going to turn out well for anyone... just sayin'.
But, yes, the empire will not go down without a major "incident", that's pretty clear and these are extremely worrying times indeed, I'm not sure the "central planners" are able to think clearly...
Marx taught communism, not Jesus. The liberals are always mistaking compassion for communism. Christ taught the value of each individual life, which runs completely contrary to the principles of Communism.
We've had Popes who've confused the compassion of Jesus for socialism -- open borders, redistribution of wealth, envy...
St. Paul wrote in 2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."
Paul was talking about the man who is lazy, becoming a burden to others. Paul and his companions worked hard so that they would not become a burden to any of the believers. The Christian philosophy is that man should make the most of his talents and do all he can to provide for himself and his dependents.
Marx was lazy; "not only did Marx's children have to endure the hunger of proverty, they were raised in filth, for what his friend described as a pig-sty..." Marx had "seven children, Four of those children died young, only three survived to achieve adulthood. Every biography of Marx reports that his four children who died young died because of the povery they had to endure." -- Red Ice Creations: Dispelling the Myth Makers
In addition, Marx had an eighth child that was illegitimate; the boy was born to Marx's housekeeper. Both Marx and his wife were educated and came from comfortable homes.
Having recently cherry picked the best bits of Marx, while alluding to the worst, to teach a lesson in what I regard as the infantile over simplified and polarized capitalist-v-socialist paradigm, I'd say you're also absolutely correct to point out that a man who does not protect his family from poverty and hunger is not a man to be lauded. To be candid, compassion is not a subset of either economic schools of thought to their detriment and I think the teachings of Jesus in the form of the cardinal (Prudence, temperance, justice, courage) and theological (faith, hope, charity/love) Christian virtues does have more in common with the socialist ideals than capitalist, often teaching humility through poverty and unselfishness for example, but that's another convoluted discussion for another time which also highlights the issues of freedom and coercion. I'll say this for man: Give him a great idea or two, and he'll find some way to mess it all up. Besides, bringing up religion in an economic discussion is more likely to turn people off than on.
As for Chris Martenson, I remember that he was the one on ZH who brought to light the old story that had been rolling around the internet since the late 90's about a major refiner in the USA shipping between 1.3 to 1,5 million 400 oz tungsten bars to Fort Knox, thereby helping this important story go into the "mainstream". He's a good journalist & I really ought to look him up more often.
Greetings, YHC; it’s been great reading your astute viewpoints again on ZH! One point:
The equation that we’re given in the biblical Book of James is that Faith + Salvation = Good Works.
The socialist agenda leaves out faith. But you don’t get to Heaven on Good Works; you get to Heaven by being a believer, by having faith in God and His grace. And then man reaps the Good Works, as the Founders’ God-centered America proved. The State, by making us do its idea of “Good Works,” is how it is coaxing the Christians into godless socialism, into godless central planning.
But Socialism is man centered. Its objective is that you are to submerge your individualism, your individual worth, into a “Common Good” which instantly becomes the collectivized state - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. And history has proven how that doesn’t work out.
Great post JR, as usual. That is in essence the problem with being absolutist in economic (man-centred) philosophies - being one thing or another with no breadth to encompass other ideas. I don't think we disagree on any important points, that's why I always look forward to your posts on zh among others. Hope you're doing well mate.
The progressive's dilema, how to promote individual identity while also subverting one's self interest to the state. It becomes obvious after watching this disaster in motion that diversity and indivual identity is only a means to an end, that of economic and social collapse which creates the opportunity for the collectivist to step in and offer a solution that only requires the sacrifice of the most valuable thing we own that has no monetary value directly attributed to it...our liberty. We see this in play regarding capitalism, where they lay blame for our circumstances on capitalism after deliberately corrupting it with fascist policies.
The great weakness of socialism is its materialism. It flat out denies anything above and beyond corpreality. Socialism makes people into animals. Socialist slogans such as the one quoted are unpsychological and unworkable and leads to lethargy and central polit bureau exploitation.
Capitalism on the other hand makes the manority of people into beggars. Things above and beyond corporeality are not entirely denied, but consumerist cultural pressure is brought to bear and the result is clear to see in "black Friday" etc.
Human longings are much greater than what can be provided in corporeal enjoyment; one can only eat so many loaves a day, one can only sail so many yachts at one time . . .
Has Christianity got an answer to this? Perhaps if one removes all its dogmas, irrational beliefs and pointless ceremonies. Perhaps under all that there is genuine spirituality. Or perhaps it is easier to find genuine spirituality away from churches, temples and mosques.
The search goes on.
Can an "everyman's" ideal "mom and pop" style capitalism with opportunities for anyone who is willing to develop, invent and work hard be found in the same general area where genuine spirituality can be found? Is one dependent on the other?
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. (Romans 13:1-7)"
Such nice words could have come straight from Uncle Stalin's mouth, except for the "pay taxes to whom taxes are due", of course. No wonder they confuse Christianity and communism often.
The so called real socialism wanted to create a paradise on Earth, with no worries on break some eggs to make the delicious omelet of the proletariat utopia. That was acceptable because they had a plan for us to achieve happiness.
Now tell me how this is different from God saying "obey", and if you don't he will have this grudge growing on Him for years, waiting until you die, and then sending you to the Gulag, no, the place where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Now we could go on days fighting each other with Bible quotes to support each of our opinions. The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. If we can get support for "black" and "white" from the Bible, then what is it good for?
Oh, and what are you doing on a financial site? "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
Socialism is plunder; it converts plunder into a right; it perverts the law to protect plunder.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.”
IOW, they were God-given.
What Frederic Bastiat wrote in “The Law” more than 150 years ago applies perfectly today: “The law is perverted. And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! ... The law became the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish!”
A central authority in America today, the Fed in partnership with the federal government, now decides what private property is to be taken – without risk – exploiting the person, liberty, and property of one group in America while transferring it to others.”
One instance: The Federal Reserve, owned by private bankers and “using the law,” is taking the hard-earned money from retired Americans and savers and transferring it to their own bank accounts. And as America’s middle-class savers and retirees become poorer and poorer, these international oligarchs and their voting-bloc-enablers have become rich and richer beyond any vulgar measure.
Professing a democratic ideology, these elite insiders use the enfranchisement of open-border Third World immigrants as a voting bloc aid to disenfranchise American citizens by voting themselves and the U.S. Treasury Americans’ property. The ultimate aim of this ruling order is destruction of the U.S. and its middle class, to be merged eventually into a one-world world state over which they will have global control.
Ever wonder why George Soros and many of the richest men in the world are financing Communist revolutions and Socialist legislation in the US and the EU? It is to manipulate man’s basest appetite – greed - as a mechanism for ruling-class control.
More than 150 years ago when France was rapidly turning to complete socialism, Bastiat wrote:
“Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property.
“But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.
“Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain—and since labor is pain in itself—it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it.
“When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.”
To end the plunder, we must end the Fed – the core source of the new world order.
In Marx's time most women had ten to twelve children. Approximately half of these children died in childhood. Very common in those times. Trying to some how blame Mark for this is nonsense.
I've heard most of those Europeans let their children starve to death. Sarc/on
Sarc/off:
In fact, under Marxism, “all the actuality that has been accumulated through the ages must be destroyed—property relationships, religious belief, family ties, legal forms, the intellectual heritage, culture and civilization itself.”
And, thus, upwards of 200,000,000 innocents have been murdered or starved to death by Marx's philosophy.
“The appeal of Marxism lies in the fact that it justifies and sanctifies the release of the demonic urges in each of us. It justifies hate, envy, the love of power, the bent to destruction, the desire to set everything right (particularly, others), and all the vague and unfulfilled longings of man.”
--Clarence B. Carson, World in the Grip of an Idea.
...26 down votes...for another quote from Edgar Cayce; what's there not to like about it?
Edgar Cayce is arguably the greatest and most accurate Christian mystic of the last 100 year.
For changes are coming, this may be sure – an evolution, or revolution in the ideas of religious thought. The basis of it for the world will eventually come out of Russia; not communism, no! But rather that which is the basis of the same, as the Christ taught – His kind of communism!
Oh great, a Russia/Christ bot found ZH.
See my comment just above "Schmuck Raker"! A certain type of Bot indeed, and I think you just nailed it!
He taught to steal from others to give to your cronies? Is that what Lloyd Blankfein told you?
'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many people want in and how many want to get out.'
Tony Blair
Explains the British colony of Fort Lauderdale.
Sometimes think I'm in London when I go down there.
@ The Merovingian
To enlighten you with an explanation of Tony "warmonger" Blair's statement I would like to point out that the vast, yes vast, numbers of people wanting to settle in the UK were attracted by the matching vast, yes vast, seemingly bottomless pit of benefits, whjlst the relatively few wanting to leave the UK had belatedly realised that they were going to have to pay for them.
All I said was that it is a simple measure. I think we both agree on that. But, to your point, sooner or later a tax revolt is coming when the tax paying cart pullers have had enough of the FSA cart riders. My guess is later though, because the power is still on consistently here. Once the lights start winking regularly and 'the folks' can't finger fuck their phones to death the worm might turn. And, I didn't down vote you for what it's worth.
Are you referring to Snowden or the hundreds who relinquish their citizenship each year?
Better to look at who wants to get in.....Mexicans.
Yeh, real quality. LOL
Another instance of confusing free with freedom.
"each man will live for his fellow man"
LOL....Cayce (and apparently you) knew NOTHING about Russian people. Anybody who knows Russians intimately will also laugh at that quote, as will Russians.
"but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world"
You're out of your tree man, out of your tree. Freedom? Have you any idea how fucking absurd you sound?
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Right. Where did he say the &P would be again? Or those otto 649 winning numbers?
If something is pre-determined - what's the point? You can do ANYTHING you want at any time to anyone, and it doesn't matter because the macro-outcome is predetermined. snort.
I suspect Russia may not wish to export nat. gas come Jan-Mar.
I am still waiting for Orlov to move back to Leningrad.
Almost there..
right now......
He's going to announce it.......
USA is in such collapse and Russia is rising. So Dmitri is immediately moving to Leningrad.......
Ok?
Right now.....
Wait.....
He's just renouncing his US citizenship.......
Wait..............
Wait, wait.........
He is a Media personality in the US, his income would drop. That has nothing to do about his message other than he profits from being an expert on Russia.
Orlov, huh.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/just-published-societies-that-coll...
"At the risk of overstating the obvious, I'd like to point out that it is your purchases of my books—nothing else—that make it economically possible for me to continue writing and for you to continue reading what I write.
I expect that I will have fewer opportunities to write in the coming months. I am going out into the ocean, you see, and although there will be periodic landfalls, I don't know how many anchorages will come equipped with open wifi or a 4G signal to allow me to blog from them. And so this retrospective offers you a way to continue reading my writings in the meantime should you wish to do so. Looking back, the topics that I wrote on have only become more relevant over time. I stand by everything I wrote, and hope that my work will continue to be worth revisiting as events unfold."
That's cute. He should go live on his boat and lead by example. Otherwise, even if what he says is true, he will end like Al Gore, living a lavish life while preaching us to live leaner lives. Not the best way to spread his message.
Flatly stating from the very beginning of the interview that Ukrainians do NOT exists is quite helpful.
Typical Putin propagandist.
How much is Putin paying him?
EKm - what is your take on Chuck Hagel's resignation ... well, got fired really ..
you might have been into something from the comments on TV right after his "resignation" ... it seems there was a struggle ...
Hagel did not get fired.
He carefully orchestrated his exit and probably coordinated with McCain in order to cause maximum harm to Obama.
He managed pretty well.
Even hard left is saying that Susan Rice is the problem now.
No one remember it was Hagel that implemented at least these four policies? What else was this stooge asked to do
a. Homosexuals in Military, with special leave to go get married.
b. Military to focus on "climate change".
c. Military to allow illegal immigrates to be able to join while reducing upper officers.
d. Military to fight ebola.
That is what obama demanded.
Hence the revolt
Obama has the skill set of a TV anchorman. When someone uses the phrase "obama demanded" it seems rather odd. .
(Didn't junk you, btw)
Bullshit, he didn't quit. He was forced out. Most likely by the AIPAC controlled State Dept.
Arius
Not Neocon enough, my take.
With the next secretary we will find the answer.
Interesting if it’s a woman, and Russia expert.
Yes, and probably a recent college grad with a big debt to be forgiven. Experience and demonstrated skills are secondary to recent indoctrination.
Is it just me our does most of the "spokes people" look like they are about twelve?
Ukraine exists the same way Israel exists... By decree...
to ekm1
You're probably a historian and expert on the Ukrainian nation? Then try to prove to me - as the Ukrainians person, that Ukrainians and Russian - it is two a different nation.
And also tell me please what is it nation is such a "Kosovars"?
And what these "Kosovars" are different from Albanians - may be a religion, culture, language or tradition?
Also please tell me about the Russian, who live in Brighton Beach. You do not want to call them as a new NATION "Brightoners "and give them the right to self-determination on the land of America?
I wonder why Washington recognizes as Ukrainians those only who support the Nazi puppet regime in Kiev?
Why Washington does not recognize as Ukrainians, all those who are against this fascist puppet regime in Kiev?
If there is one thing absolutely wrong with the comments on this site is that people ask for proof.
Humans don't care about proof. Humans only care about intepretations of reality, each one interpreting reality for his/her own interest.
Proof does not exist. Only interpreatations exist
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Is very common saying in Yugoslavian district of Shkodër.
Silvermail, out of a population of nearly 50 million Ukrainians a very large
%age of them prefer Europe to Russia. Are you calling 40 million Ukrainian men and
women Fascist ? The majority of whom voted DEMOCRATICALLY to in other words
tell putin to fuck off !
You mean the vote, which was after the military coup in Kiev, the perfect hands of fascists?
And who among 40 million Ukrainians voted against Putin?
They had the right to vote for or against Putin?
Or do you think that all of the people who live in Kiev and Lvov, like one supported Poroshenko and his fascist regime?
You are very wrong, and soon you will be able to see this.
What you have to realize is that present day Ukraine is made up of two distinct people. Ukrainian speaking Roman Catholics in the West and Russian speaking Russian Orthodox peoples in the East. Different languages, histories, cultures and religions. This was created by Khrushchev in the old USSR. The country should be divided into a West and an East.
Clara, nearly everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian, this was a by product of having to learn Russian in school because text books were in Russian.There were more Russian schools than Ukrainian in Ukraine and if you wanted to get on in Communist Ukraine you needed to speak Russian. There are very few Roman catholic churches in Ukraine, there are Greco catholic churches predominantly in the west of Ukraine as well as Orthodox and other churches of various denonminations.There are also Greco catholic churches in the east of Ukraine
Khrushchev was instumental in de-stalinising the USSR which meant churches springing up and religion coming out in the open instead of being underground.
Ukraine was around a thousand years ago with Kiev being the important city of that region. Moscow turned up a few hundred years later
Ukraine not was around a thousand years ago. Kiev was the main city of the state, which was called "Rus". But not the state, which was called "Ukraine".
Prince Vladimir of Kiev was a prince, "All Rus", but not the prince of Ukraine.
Prince Vladimir of Kiev was entitled to an Orthodox baptism of "Rus", but not the baptism of Ukraine.
Maybe he's waiting for the pentagon to take over the bankers.
Murca....love it or leave it. Fuck yeah
You missed what the guy was saying, ironically proving you're very much of the mentality that you're making fun of... There is something hypocrtical about migrating to America for a better life like this chump did, and then prasing the country you just ran away from, while condemning the one that allowed you in.
Nothing to do with love it or leave it, more a matter of character or lack thereof.
This blog is steadily becoming little more than a Russian tabloid, full of the same stupidity that infest the comment section of American MSM sites. The content becomes more radical and desperate by the day, attracting the kind of idiot who prefers emotionally driven sophistry to logical arguments.
EKM is from Eastern Europe, I don't always agree with him, but I applaud his honesty when assessing the problems with both the US and Russia, instead of jumping on the proto-nationalist retard train like many here.
Have fun waving those flags.
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Unpossible without benefit of time travel.
C'mon ekm1 , I rarely agree with your commentary but find it interesting. Today, you sound like just another troll.
You can do better than this
In case you haven't noticed, I am a Pentagon and Neocon supporter
Pentagon and Neocon supporter?
This means that you are a supporter of lies and fascism.
I am a supporter of reality
Reality? Interesting concept, I'm reminded of Karl Rove saying "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
So tell me, how many of the new realities created by the neocons do you support?
"I am a Pentagon and Neocon supporter."
Probally more of a Israel Firster, Zionist Neocon supporter would be my guess.
vlad and his crew clearly have the stones and wits. the west? zilch.
In other news, there's the Moldovian election today with the communists in the lead according to latest polls... Russian troops in Transinistria doing riot control training for after the election... Moldova saying before the election that they do not seek to join NATO... And Romania saying the election is crucial to their national security and that they support Moldova's ``european integration course``... a big message to Russia... Don't forget that Romania is in NATO... Things could get messy real fast.
Does NATO think that getting closer to Russia with NATO will make Russia easier to invade, because I can't think of anything in NATO that Russia wants or needs.
NATO tactic is rather to fuck up things on soil of Russia's neighbourghs in order to force other countries to stop doing business with Russia. And if that's not working then fuck up things everywhere. Hasn't WW3 already started yet?
Seems you think Nato is Putin's alliance... lol
Putin is the chief crook & fascist making war now. He will soon be removed by his own crime family for destroying their wealth!
Yes WWIII is on. The violent stage is the last portion of the conflict. It started as usual with economic warfare.
The Romies wanted into NATO because they were told that all NATO armored vehicles were impervious to vampire teeth.
Perhaps then you should ask someone who can "think" and you will no doubt have some answers. Russia has been invading Romania, Hungary, Poland, Germany, etc, etc for hundreds of years and Vlad has asked us to consider the past just recently.
I think your view of the European history is a bit, how to say it, upside down. But then so is your location...
An interesting country, Moldova, probably the poorest country in Europe, many Moldavians have left for better lives in Western Europe. I have visited the place a few times, once visited the breakaway mini-state of Transnistria, got a visa for 3 hours if I recall.
Mother of a German national killed in the Malaysia Airlines flight #MH17 crash in eastern #Ukraine has begun legal proceedings against Kiev at the European court, demanding about $1 billion in compensation for her suffering Mother of German Citizen
latest
http://tersee.com/#!q=mh17&t=text
Good for her. Hopefully she has audio, radar, electronic, etc. records to bolster her suit. That plane was pawned to trigger a war. The sadists who planned it should be pistol whipped by the family members. And that goes double for the pilot goons who disgraced the profession of air travel by destroying a passenger plane and being dumb enough to think they would get clean away with it. They are loose ends now, and that is a problem for the NWO schemers. They had better do the right thing while they can.
Occident lost its deep values&roots.Only Russia still seems to have some.
Oh goody. WW III. That should send gold down another $100 and the S&P to 2500. Double plus good.