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Tensions Between US & Russia Are Worse Than You Realize – Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
“I am young, I am twenty years old; yet I know nothing of life but despair, death, fear, and fatuous superficiality cast over an abyss of sorrow. I see how peoples are set against one another, and in silence, unknowingly, foolishly, obediently, innocently slay one another.”
– Erich Maria Remarque, All Quiet on the Western Front
Despite an interest in geopolitics, I haven’t really written anything on the concerning and worsening tension between the government of the United States and the government of Russia. I intentionally wrote government twice in order to emphasize the fact that 99.9% of Americans do not have real grievances with actual Russian people, and vice versa. This is a high-level conflict between powerful “leaders” playing a game of Risk with average citizen as pawns. This is how it’s always been. As human beings, we should never lose sight of this so the mistakes we make in the future aren’t nearly as tragic as those made by our ancestors.
One disconcerting thing I have noticed amongst some “liberty-minded” people I follow, is a knee-jerk tendency to pick a side in this affair. When it comes to powerful men running centralized nation-states with nuclear weapons, there are no church boys involved. I have noticed a desire to defend Russia every step of the way in what appears to be a simple-minded emotional reflex birthed in justifiable disgust with what they see happening in their home nations (the U.S. and UK in particular).
This behavior has always made me uncomfortable, and reminds me very much of how people get upset with one fake political party and then vote for the other guy simply because they are not a Democrat or a Republican. The best choice is to accept they are both useless and not vigorously defend either party. I take the same tact when it comes to battles between nation-states. Just because I am disgusted and horrified with what is happening in these United States, doesn’t mean I need to slavishly defend Russia, Vladimir Putin or pick any sides in a conflict in which the primary losers will always be powerless civilians.
I’ve never been to Russia, thus my opinion of the country is basically worthless. Nevertheless, based on what I have read and observed, I’d still much rather live in the U.S. than Russia despite all of our society’s failings and decay in recent decades. While this view could certainly change as time and events unfold, that is how I strongly feel at the moment. Putin is by all accounts an authoritarian cult-like leader who wants to ban Bitcoin, journalism can be a deadly affair, and oligarchs continue to run free (as long as you are friends with Putin). Recall my recent post: American Upper Middle Class Share of Wealth is Worse than Every Country Besides Russia and Indonesia. Yes, “besides Russia and Indonesia.” Russia is no economic utopia.
Nevertheless, this piece isn’t meant to be a pointless debate about which overly-centralized, archaic and corrupt nation-state is better than the other. Neither place has a political or economic structure that even comes close to providing a fertile environment in which human existence can reach its highest potential. Rather, both nation-states are controlled by a small group of ambitious, authoritarian and, when necessary, ruthless and violent men and women. That said, there are two reasons I think the following remarks by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov are so important.
First, as someone who spends much of his time analyzing and critiquing the many destructive policy decisions made by American “leaders,” I was shocked to find how accurate his description of the U.S. power structure’s mindset seems to be. He gets it, and he is more or less trying to warn the world that America’s leaders are basically power-drunk children. I concur.
Second, Lavrov also describes the negative impact that this behavior has had on the Russian psyche generally. He expresses dismay that the U.S. status quo sees the world as unipolar, and attempts to tackle every problem from the perspective that might is right. In no uncertain terms, Lavrov makes it clear that Russia will not stand for this. I don’t think the Russians are bluffing, so this is a very dangerous situation.
If there was actually someone in the U.S. State Department capable of such introspective and clear thinking, we might actually diffuse this situation. Don’t hold your breath.
Here are some excerpts from Mr. Lavrov’s remarks at the XXII Assembly of the Council on Foreign and Defence Policy in Moscow on November 22, 2014. The whole thing can be found here, which I strongly suggesting reading in full.
I’m happy to be at this annual Assembly of the Council on Foreign and Defence Policy (Russian abbreviation SVOP). It is always a great pleasure for me to meet people and feel the intellectual potential, which enables the Council, its leaders and representatives to respond to global developments and analyse them. Their analysis is always free from any hysteria, and its members offer well-grounded and solid arguments, taking a step back, since those caught in the midst of events can hardly adopt an unbiased perspective. We are inevitably influenced by the developments, which makes your observations, analysis, discourse and suggestions even more valuable to us.
Naturally, I will start with Ukraine. Long before the country was plunged into the crisis, there was a feeling in the air that Russia’s relations with the EU and with the West were about to reach their moment of truth. It was clear that we could no longer continue to put issues in our relations on the back burner and that a choice had to be made between a genuine partnership or, as the saying goes, “breaking pots.” It goes without saying that Russia opted for the former alternative, while unfortunately our Western partners settled for the latter, whether consciously or not. In fact, they went all out in Ukraine and supported extremists, thereby giving up their own principles of democratic regime change. What came out of it was an attempt to play chicken with Russia, to see who blinks first. As bullies say, they wanted to Russia to “chicken out” (I can’t find a better word for it), to force us to swallow the humiliation of Russians and native speakers of Russian in Ukraine.
Honourable Leslie Gelb, whom you know all too well, wrote that Ukraine’s Association Agreement with the EU had nothing to do with inviting Ukraine to join the EU and was aimed in the short term at preventing it from joining the Customs Union. This is what an impartial and unbiased person said. When they deliberately decided to go down the path of escalation in Ukraine, they forgot many things, and had a clear understanding of how such moves would be viewed in Russia. They forgot the advice of, say, Otto von Bismarck, who had said that disparaging the millions-strong great Russian people would be the biggest political mistake.
President Vladimir Putin said the other day that no one in history has yet managed to subjugate Russia to its influence. This is not an assessment, but a statement of fact. Yet such an attempt has been made to quench the thirst for expanding the geopolitical space under Western control, out of a mercantile fear to lose the spoils of what they across the Atlantic had persuaded themselves was the victory in the Cold War.
The plus of today’s situation is that everything has clicked into its place and the calculus behind the West’s actions has been revealed despite its professed readiness to build a security community, a common European home. To quote (singer/song-writer) Bulat Okudzhava, “The past is getting clearer and clearer.” The clarity is becoming more tangible. Today our task is not only to sort out the past (although that must be done), but most importantly, to think about the future.
Talks about Russia’s isolation do not merit serious discussion. I need hardly dwell on this before this audience. Of course, one can damage our economy, and damage is being done, but only by doing harm to those who are taking corresponding measures and, equally important, destroying the system of international economic relations, the principles on which it is based. Formerly, when sanctions were applied (I worked at the Russian mission to the UN at the time) our Western partners, when discussing the DPRK, Iran or other states, said that it was necessary to formulate the restrictions in such a way as to keep within humanitarian limits and not to cause damage to the social sphere and the economy, and to selectively target only the elite. Today everything is the other way around: Western leaders are publicly declaring that the sanctions should destroy the economy and trigger popular protests. So, as regards the conceptual approach to the use of coercive measures the West unequivocally demonstrates that it does not merely seek to change Russian policy (which in itself is illusory), but it seeks to change the regime — and practically nobody denies this.
We hear the daily repeated mantra that Washington is aware of its own exclusiveness and its duty to bear this burden, to lead the rest of the world. Rudyard Kipling spoke about “the white man’s burden.” I hope that this is not what drives Americans. The world today is not white or black, but multi-coloured and heterogeneous. Leadership in this world can be assured not by persuading oneself of one’ exclusiveness and God-given duty to be responsible for everyone, but only by the ability and craft in forming a consensus. If the US partners committed their power to this goal, this would be priceless, and Russia would be actively helping them.
However, so far, US administrative resources still work only in the NATO framework, and then with substantial reservations, and its writ does not reach beyond the North Atlantic Alliance. One proof of this is the results of US attempts to make the world community follow its line in connection with the anti-Russian sanctions and principles. I have spoken about it more than once and we have ample proof of the fact that American ambassadors and envoys across the world seek meetings at the highest level to argue that the corresponding countries are obliged to punish Russia together with them or else face the consequences. This is done with regard to all countries, including our closest allies (this speaks volumes about the kind of analysts Washington has). An overwhelming majority of the states with which we have a continuing dialogue without any restrictions and isolation, as you see, value Russia’s independent role in the international arena. Not because they like it when somebody challenges the Americans, but because they realize that the world order will not be stable if nobody is allowed to speak his mind (although privately the overwhelming majority do express their opinion, but they do not want to do so publicly for fear of Washington’s reprisals).
Many reasonable analysts understand that there is a widening gap between the global ambitions of the US Administration and the country’s real potential. The world is changing and, as has always happened in history, at some point somebody’s influence and power reach their peak and then somebody begins to develop still faster and more effectively. One should study history and proceed from realities. The seven developing economies headed by BRICS already have a bigger GDP than the Western G7. One should proceed from the facts of life, and not from a misconceived sense of one’s own grandeur.
In attempting to establish their pre-eminence at a time when new economic, financial and political power centers are emerging, the Americans provoke counteraction in keeping with Newton’s third law and contribute to the emergence of structures, mechanisms, and movements that seek alternatives to the American recipes for solving the pressing problems. I am not referring to anti-Americanism, still less about forming coalitions spearheaded against the United States, but only about the natural wish of a growing number of countries to secure their vital interests and do it the way they think right, and not what they are told “from across the pond.” Nobody is going to play anti-US games just to spite the United States. We face attempts and facts of extra-territorial use of US legislation, the kidnapping of our citizens in spite of existing treaties with Washington whereby these issues are to be resolved through law enforcement and judicial bodies.
According to its doctrine of national security, the United States has the right to use force anywhere, anytime without necessarily asking the UN Security Council for approval. A coalition against the Islamic State was formed unbeknownst to the Security Council. I asked Secretary of State John Kerry why have not they gone to the UN Security Council for this.
Francis Fukuyama recently wrote the book, Political Order and Political Decay, in which he argues that the efficiency of public administration in the United States is declining and the traditions of democratic governance are gradually being replaced with feudal fiefdom ruling methods. This is part of the discussion about someone who lives in a glass house and throws stones.
Indeed, describing, lamenting and suggesting remedies for the above is basically what Liberty Blitzkrieg is all about. Don’t forget, an academic study from Princeton and Northwestern already proved the U.S. is nothing more than an oligarchy. See: New Report from Princeton and Northwestern Proves It: The U.S. is an Oligarchy.
So far, those who are not guided by real problems, but rather by a desire to quickly grab things from freshly turned up ground. It is deplorable. Exporting revolutions – be they democratic, communist or others – never brings any good.
I can’t fail to mention Russia’s comprehensive partnership with China. Important bilateral decisions have been taken, paving the way to an energy alliance between Russia and China. But there’s more to it. We can now even talk about the emerging technology alliance between the two countries. Russia’s tandem with Beijing is a crucial factor for ensuring international stability and at least some balance in international affairs, as well as ensuring the rule of international law. We will make full use of our relations with India and Vietnam, Russia’s strategic partners, as well as the ASEAN countries. We are also open to expanding cooperation with Japan, if our Japanese neighbours can look at their national interests and stop looking back at some overseas powers.
There is no doubt that the European Union is our largest collective partner. No one intends to “shoot himself in the foot” by renouncing cooperation with Europe, although it is now clear that business as usual is no longer an option. This is what our European partners are telling us, but neither do we want to operate the old way. They believed that Russia owed them something, while we want to be on an equal footing. For this reason, things will never be the same again. That said, I’m confident that we will be able to overcome this period, lessons will be learned and a new foundation for our relations will emerge.
The similarities to the period just before WWI are indeed striking, as Niall Ferguson noted in an excellent Op-Ed in August. Hopefully we can be smarter this go around.
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Lets just worry about Ferguson.....
Like an unstoppable force, World War 3 is coming. Have your house in order.
"...Hopefully we can be smarter this go around..."
“To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.” - Friedrich Nietzsche
Russia is closer to creating a NWO.
The US is closer to creating a NWO.
It is not whether one or the other is better, but which one is the most dangerous.
Remember Zemir Begic!!! While Michael Brown was maybe, possibly, maybe the victim of racism; Begic was attacked by hammer-wielding savages solely because the color of his skin. He died defending his wife.
Looks like we're gonna need a clean up on eisle three
this is diplomatic speech for "this shits gonna get real" and make no mistake no one wins at this game
As I was reading this very rational evaluation and offer to 'cool things out', a delusional neocon voice echoing in my head was heard replying to Lavrov "So it's war you want, is it."
Dangerous times, indeed.
Journalism can be a deadly affair in the U.S. as well. See the example of Michael Hastings.
Can you openly smoke weed on the American continent? Now there is your difference.
Publicus is right "While Obama Prepares for War With White Americans..
Russia Prepares for World War III"
http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2014/12/01/while-obama-prepares-for-war...
Again. Obama WANTS Ferguson to explode into a nation wide race war so he can declare Martial Law that suspends the Constitution thus allowing him to stay in Office indefinitely!
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/11/dmitry-orlov-russias-patience-is.html
Here's a pretty good analysis of what's coming:
http://worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
The difference is that Putin has a backbone... Barry, meh, not so much... Now where is that red line again?
Barry is a paid puppet, Putin is a leader. Explains all the humorous picture contrasts.
Sorry to have to post this all over but it must be warned.
A DIRTY NUKE WILL TAKE OUT 5 CITY BLOCKS OF CHICAGO in the spring of 2015, by the US government itself!
- Iran will be blamed as the perpetrators and the public will DEMAND the nuking of Iran in retaliation (which to the benefit of the Globalist interest's they will gleefully comply).
- Iran oil facilities will be taken off line by bombing reducing 2 million barrels of day of production to get oil prices back up.
- Russia will loose there only major ally (Iran) from the strikes. They will be unable to stop the US strikes as the US will have the political currency required for this attack since from the public and international perspective the US was hit first.
- Canada will be annexed in a back room deal as a result of this attack - being blamed for allowing the 'Iranian terrorists' into the country, and also as a punishment for Harper setting up trade deals with China bypassing the US dollar.
- The US will default on it's debt eventually (by the fall??)!! International investors will also get a back room deal for pennies on the dollar.
- The US will be under emergency police powers (not called martial law) this will be the answer to all future riots and uprisings.
- All 401K's will be frozen, bank balances and stocks over a certain value will be frozen. It will be called the 'Obama Freeze' - thus all US citizens will have their assets frozen inside the country preventing a bank run (captive citizens / captive investors.)
- Once the US defaults on it's debts some time by the fall of 2015 the timing is not exactly known - international investment into the country will halt, and by this eventually cease. The US will be desperate for investments and this will cause interest rates to skyrocket. Unlocked mortgages will skyrocket in tandem with people walking on their homes, causing a real estate price collapse in excess of what happened in 2008.
- This false flag must be conducted in the spring to give a good bombing window to run it's course through the summer. Iran is mountainous and stormy making a bombing campaign difficult in the winter.
Israel will be an ally in this coming strike, and will also be using nuclear warheads against Iran. When they do this every regional Muslin nation will be unified and launch war against Israel.
But what the US does not know is that in the fall of 2015 a tsunami about 300 ft high is going to strike the West coast of America and cripple her. She will be unable to help Israel as a half dozen nations will declare full war against Israel and what happened to Iran.
THE ONLY ESCAPE VEHICLE IS PHYSICAL GOLD. When there is nowhere to invest because the stock market tanks from these events by the fall of 2015, and the government is defaulting on debt, the banks have frozen accounts, and real estate prices are collapsing because of shock interest rates from the coming default - THE ONLY ESCAPE VEHICLE WILL BE PHYSICAL GOLD. While prices will fall on everything denominated under the US dollar 40-80% gold will appreciate 250%.
If you buy $100,000 in physical today it will have 10X the purchasing power by the winter of 2015 ($1,000,000).
The Dr. wants to see you pronto, bring a change of cloths too.
So you have turned $100,000 into one million, but when one million dollars in paper money is worth one tenth or $100,000 what have you really done?
You missed it. You buy 1000 ounces of gold for $130,000. 2015 comes and all the crap that goes with it., prices fall on everything but gold appreciates as the only escape vehicle and 'investment of desperation'. Now your 1000 ounces of gold are worth $250,000 street value. However everything has fallen dramatically in price. Because the US has defaulted on it's debt, causing shock interest rates the $800,000 house now sells for $150,000 let's say. So you sell half your gold and buy the $800,000 house for 500 ounces with half remaining to still spend.. Make better sense?
I'd rather buy a houseboat to avoid property taxes on $800k house
What will cause the psunami?
Please check your math. One thousand ounces of gold at $1300 per would be $1,300,000.
I can see someone has been spending a bit too much time hanging out with Alex Jones and Dave Hodges. I'd love to see your tin-foil collection.
Interesting but need some sources. Not that i don't believe you :)
If it is a Race War they want....It is a Race War they shall lose.
The USA has shit all over where they eat and sleep, and now that it's filled with all that shit, they want to shit all over where Russia eats and sleeps.
This has nothing to do with NWO. It only has to do with how much the USA can steal to keep the ponzi going a little longer for the country and people as a whole.
You just summarized the NWO: the pursuit of a steeper, more stable, less ethical pyramid: basically, Heaven for psychopaths.
not sure about less ethical, but steeper pyramids would seem to be less stable.
here's hoping.
Absolutely, less ethical: psychopathically so.
Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes
"Top sucks from bottom until there is nothing left to suck."
Great cite of Andrew Lobaczewski's book. It describes exactly what happened back 'then' and where we are, or more importantly where we might going. Nazi Germany was a 'dry run' folks... IMHO.
I guess Russia and China don't want to eat, sleep and shit as underdogs to the US.
I'd settle for a BWO: a Better World Order than the f*cked up shite we have now.
Im just glad someone like kreiger is making the point i have been trying to make here for a while now- you don't need to pick sides in this usgov vs russia shitshow. It is possible to be amused at how foolish the obama admin looks in all this without glorifying putin as some great advocate of freedom. He isnt, and its offputting to hear a mostly libertarian/minarchist/anarchist crowd cheer the guy on. Sure, Putin is playing the game better than Obama, but I certainly don't want him ruling over me. This is as silly as the red team/blue team arguements people get in sometimes, but Ill spell it out again : YOU DON"T HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER
there is no picking of sides in this conflict. i am american. i am for the usa. i am not for the current usa .gov. it is on the wrong side of history. if the neocons continue their ignorance and/or arrogance in the face of history on this self destructive path then i am all for putin, or anyone else, helping to put these neocon crazies back in the basement where they belong so we can have our usa back where it belongs. if putin rolls into dc atop a tank i will cheer for him. if he stays i will kill him.
poetic license, but well written.
it's not that putin is so good but who else is opposing the metasticizing menace that is the u.s. national government, particularly since 9-11 (although the philippines, central america and vietnam were especially shameful)?
you take them where you can find them.
I agree wth the overall tenor of the article.
Contrary to mindless Ukie troll opinion, I am not a FSB agent working for the Kremlin. Instead I am an American disgusted with our endless foreign wars and aggressions .
I am mostly in the pro-russia camp. I believe that Russia would prefer to simply conduct commerce and get on with life. The U.S. is dangerously trying to keep the petrodollar King. They will fail and very likely plunge the world into war. Too bad we have to live through this shit.
You have to look at the brighter side of things like world war. Yes it is going to be difficult. But think of all the wrongs you will be able to make right in the chaos.
"the brighter side of... world war."
Yes, tell us stories of bravery, camaraderie and of the glory that will come to the victors.
Not sure any wrongs can be "righted" in a multi-thousand megaton nuclear winter...unless you think the human species very existence is "wrong".
Here's how Russia conducts commerce:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article4239229.html#/tabPan...
"Dahlburg reported from Kiev."
"Sure, Putin is playing the game better than Obama, but I certainly don't want him ruling over me."
To my knowledge, nobody at ZH wants Putin to rule over us. We just want him to make it imposssible for the U.S. to continue its policy of endless war.
To the extent Putin does this he is pursuing the interests of both Russia and the people (as opposed to the elites and .gov) of the U.S.
Russia just wants to do business, and thus its counter weight to the insane U.S. foreign policy of world domination is a win for both Russia and America.
Putin cannot solve the cultural disaster at the root of the US's problems, until there is a change in the mindset of the people the show goes on. Putin is not a super hero, and the only result of escalating tensions between our two countries is a nasty war, not liberty and justice for all.
We put too much of the blame on the Elite here, and not enough on the people around us, the enablers, no Russian politician is going to fix that problem. It has to be handled at home.
A major military defeat would make war less palatable to the American people.
There would be no one let to express a view.
"We put too much of the blame on the Elite here, and not enough on the people around us, the enablers, no Russian politician is going to fix that problem. It has to be handled at home."
Absolutely right, only you can't. Your divisive culture prevents it. America is a place where everyone wants to be a winner and where no-one wants to sacrifice one inch to the common good. Think of an orchestra: for there to be harmony, everyone must play the same tune. In the USA, what you have is a cacophony, because each musician wants to play his own tune - fuck what the others are playing - loud enough to cover everyone else. They don't even believe in the obvious: submitting to the will of the majority in support of the common good.
A country where one single voice can be as loud as the will of millions, and get its way against masses of people, is bound to remain a hopeless headache because of an ongoing, never-ending battle of conflicting egos, tiny lobbies, associations, minorities, feminists, etc, calling into question every dratted decision or agreement. And on, and on, and on... nothing is ever settled, nor can it be.
Compare it with what Putin says : "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari'ya Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'".
In Russia, this applies to every minority: racial, religious, ethnic, sexual, etc. In America, that is viewed as unspeakable "fascism", when it's only common sense every Russian (well, over 85%) agree with. If you don't want your society to crumble under the weight of internal divisions, keep it together. One rule, one law, no different treatments, the same rights, duties, benefits and opportunities apply to all.
Only, Russia is a cohesive society. Biiiiiiig difference.
@MrPalladium - really well put, mate! Agree completely with your line of thought. Insane NWO policies must be stopped or it will lead to a global disaster whereby NOBODY is a winner... in that sense Putin (and to some extent the BRICS) are the hope of humanity, as strange as it may sound...
@ Greenskeeper_carl
I'm with you on this one, posting this article was a step in the right direction for ZH. Too many great contributors down here have gotten the ban hammer, or simply left over this particular issue. You shouldn't be Pro-anything except critical thought, and this nationalistic cheerleading bullshit needs to stop. Step away from the pom-poms.
Perhaps they are two sides of the same coin, playing us against each other.
0bama could have been indoctrinated by the KGB.
two sides of the same coin; or two different coins...no matter. Playing us against each other is exactly what the ptb wants/needs.
Indoctrinated by the KGB would make him think like Put-in...doubt that he had the capacity.
Teleprom-puppet is what he is.
Having said that...This is a great piece that delivered the needed punch, hopefully, to shake up many of us who would toe the nationalistic line. that was perhaps the biggest culprit for both world wars behind (real-ly?) us.
Not having high hope tho.
At this point, that may be good, since he would be told to take a dive in a war scenario, thus avoiding nuke attacks. Later, we can toss him out and into jail.
But you do have to pick a side when it comes to the laws of nature, and you my friend, are on the wrong side of nature.
Yes you do need to pick a side, logic and reason demand it. You just dont like what your reason picks for a side, if reason you still have.
LIke bend over and kiss your ass goodbye?
I'll just move to Berkeley, which is a nuclear-free zone!
But seriously, you're right. And I can't think of anything worse than that.
Ouch! Did that hurt much Barry?
Remember, he's more flexible now.
Reggie says he's always been flexible..........
If it weren't for bad news....
US goverment = bitch made MoneyChangers hoes....
Russia + Putin = FUCK OFF AMERICA!
"First, as someone who spends much of his time analyzing and critiquing the many destructive policy decisions made by American “leaders,” I was shocked to find how accurate his description of the U.S. power structure’s mindset seems to be."
really??? Shocked u say???
in the words of ESPN - "come on man..."
Fucking Krieger continues to talk out of both sides of his mouth. The problem is, he's got 7 mouths.
Everything used to be so clear: The US funded Alciada to fight the Ruskies, but then they turned on the US and sent 19 suicide bombers, COUGH COUGH to crash into symbols of American success and then the towers were taken down by CONTROLLED DEMOLITION and then we had the PATRIOT ACT. We had to go to war with IRAQ which had WMDS and NO TERRORISTS but that was the plan. Now TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS LATER on wasted war efforts and we FIND the REAL ENEMY is RUSSIA.
FUCK.
Concise. Very concise. +++
And then we had to go to war with Afghanistan which had opium.
It was better the 2nd time and got my up vote...
Everything used to be so clear: The US funded A lCIA da to fight the Ruskies, but then they turned on the US and sent 19 suicide bombers- MOSTLY SAUDIS, COUGH COUGH to crash AIRPLANES into symbols of American success and then the towers were taken down by CONTROLLED DEMOLITION and then we had the PATRIOT ACT. We had to go to war with IRAQ which had WMDS and NO TERRORISTS but that was the plan. Now TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS LATER AND COUNTLESS WAR DEAD, ALL on wasted war efforts and we FIND the REAL ENEMY is RUSSIA.
FUCK.
a.k.a. We have always been at war with Eastasia...
one country has a prick in charge watching out for the country's best interests. the other just has a prick in charge. you guess which is which
America rules this world with 900 military bases in 130 countries, illegally collecting 100 billion pieces of intelligence a month, spending about half of global military spending, starting 81% of the wars since WWII and bombing or economically strangling any opposition. Putin stands in the way of full spectrum US domination.. So he must be eliminated. Unluckily for the US, Putin is no pushover that the Nobel Prize Winner delights in bombing (he has already bombed 7 Muslim countries). So he must be demonized as a crazed mass-murderer and the free and fair press of the West is happy to oblige.
USA USA USA
The crowd roars!
yeah but Ruskies have a butt load more hacked credit card numbers....
Like the ones Russia is working on with Japan for the cashless society?
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/japan-credit-bureau-working-with-russian-banks-on-payment-cards-cashless-society/
Hi, this Peggy.
Putin is not against the NWO. He just wants Russia to have a hand in it.
Putin is the most respected and admired world leader of my lifetime. Not just my opinion - it is the opinion of most of the world.
Wow savyindallas...i see you are kneeling in front of Vlad again...make sure you clean up after
I got news for you that fucking Monster will show you his real colors eventually you brainwashed fuck
Putin compared to what Barrack Trayvon Obala? America is a Trayvonville joke now. Open borders, wrecked military, bankrupt, totally corrupt Black Friday hell hole with MS-13 gangs and Michael Browns killing innocent people.
Does fear equal respect?
Because people fear the Russians. They fear Putin.
Wow and we have Kerry who talks like he has three billiard balls in his mouth....
Russia complains that the US is arrogant, militaristic, tyrannical, and corrupt. All true, but Russia is much worse.
Russia complains that the US ignores the UN. This from a country that for many years vetoed any UN resolution that came before the security council.
The US may be a fading power, but Russia is even more so.
but Russia is much worse.
Here are the facts, Jack:
Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far- Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them.
- These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men.
- The US has war-murdered more than Hitler’s Nazis.
- US official reports now confirm all “reasons” the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told.
- http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/earth-248-armed-conflicts-ww2-us-...
US Sponsored Genocide Against Iraq 1990-2012. Killed 3.3 Million, Including 750,000 Childrenhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-genocide-against-iraq-1990-201...
Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins Medal of Freedomhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings,” Mandela said.
Here are the facts, Jack:
Those numbers are fiction. The communist regime that the Russians installed in China murdered 30-50 million alone. Not to mention the Russian sponsored mass genocides in Ethiopia and smaller genocides carried out in many other Russian-backed regimes.
As for killing children, the Russians dropped booby-trapped toys in Afghanistan specifically designed to kill children.
Don't let your hatred for the US blind you to other despotc regimes.
Russians are no angels but perhaps their fading power has restrained them from killing as much as the US. Certainly in the last 25 years, the US has killed vastly more than Russia. So to say that Russia is worse than USA is an exaggeration. Obama has bombed 7 Muslim countries already. Putin was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for halting a major war in Syria.
To blame Russians for the madness of Mao is too much of a stretch to be taken seriously.
That Dumb-ass needs to go read a fucking history book.
Who was John Birch?
Why was he killed?
Who installed Mao and hung Chiang Kai-shek and the Nationalists we had been supporting up until then?
Who were the Flying Tigers?
We installed Mao.
He was Rockefeller's wet dream.
Kissinger and Nixon too.
I heard a radio show today where a caller said:
"the old guy told us kids to watch for the start of the bad shit once all the WW2 Era geezers die off"
Or something real close to that.
I thought to myself, Yep. Thats exactly when it can happen and nobody would believe it was really going on.
Just watch.
Fucking stooges abound and don't abide.
They will happily load themselves onto the boxcars.
Throw a six pack in that bitch.. A cheap flatscreen.. and paint a fucking buffalo wild wings logo on the side...
Stupid fucks will fist-fight eachother to get in the boxcar first.
What --- ? No Wings till the next stop?
I like wings.....
In addition to wings, you can also refinance your auto loan. Betcha you can't do that in Russia!
If you bozos want to seriously discuss the killing of people by governments, there is a Professor who had made the study of it his life's work. He has published books and articles about it. He is at the University of Hawaii. He teaches a Doctorate level course about it. Go here
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
Here's a good overview from Wikipedia, if you like such stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
You're talking about the distant past. Putin honored and gave a Christian burial to the Tsar's family who was murdered and ravaged by Bolshevik Jews. Russia had over 40 million Chritian ethnic Russians murdered by a predominatly, Non-Russian Jewish Bolshevik group of murderers -even Stalin was not Russian -he was Georgian. Russia was a victim of non-Russian Bolshevik murderers -all of whem were funded and created by the US and Europe. Read your history--real history- not the zioniost, globalist, Bankster propaganda we are all taught.
Trotsky was brought to NYC during the war and when the time was ripe, the Fed sent him back to Russia with $ millions. That's why the Fed was put in place--to fund all these unnatural conflicts.
I don't hate America.
I hate its evil government and the government's idiot supporters like you.
The Russians did not install the Soviet system. It came from New York and Germany. The same dual citizens who run the Ukraine, USA and State Dept and the same people Putin took back the billions they stole from Russians. America is Trayvonville now.
Keep watching TV and Hollywood - your viewership makes America even shittier each day.
Than why majority ruskies wants USSR back and why Putin tolfd that it was great tragedy that USSR collapsed?
Sveiks,
Putin said the collapse of the USSR was a great human tragedy because these things flowed in its wake:
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More deaths than in the Rwandan genocide
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More persons ethnically cleansed than in Yugoslavia
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100,000 died in 2 wars in Chechnya
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10,000 died during peace between the 2 wars
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30,000 died in Nagorno-Karabakh
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15,000 died in civil war in Abkhazia
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5,000 died in civil war in S. Ossetia, 1,000 in Pridnestrovie, 1,000 in S. Ossetia-Ingushetia conflict
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More than 1,000,000 Armenians and Azeris fled their countries
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5,000,000 Russians fled ex-Soviet republics, etc.
"Than why majority ruskies wants USSR back and why Putin tolfd that it was great tragedy that USSR collapsed?"
worth repeating
fact is that Russian nationalism has reawakened, and Russia as a polity does have what up to the 19th Century would have been simply called imperial pretentions
part of it is understandable, for example the Russian populations that were left "stranded" in now-foreign countries, for example in Ukraine, the Baltics, Transsinistria, etc.
part of it is pure strategic geopolitics, for example Crimea/Sevastopol, Syria, etc. and of course the "courting" of China as strategic partner
part of it is energy geopolitics, for example the pipelines stories around Turkey, Ukraine, Syria, Moldavia, Bulgaria
note one recent element: in Bulgaria, Russian-friendly forces are trying to ally themselves with the local Greens against fracking, while the Northern European Greens are battled in many ways by the Kremlin because of their criticism of Russian justice, particularly towards journalists
fact is Russia is all over the place around itself. the projection of imperial interests. nothing new under the sun (including the US-led empire's encirclement of Russia)
Russian nationalism is not the same thing as the old Soviet Union.
As Ventnor in this sub-thread put it so well:
"...don't forget the key support rendered by the Latvian Riflemen in ramming Bolshevism down the throats of the Russian people in 1918. As is well known, Bolshevism was a largely non-Russian affair."
And don't forget the key support rendered by the Latvian Riflemen in ramming Bolshevism down the throats of the Russian people in 1918. As is well known, Bolshevism was a largely non-Russian affair.
Rusia is now free of the foul regime known as the Soviet Union, which was installed by the tribal bankers of New York and London.
Hey dickhead...How many countries is the US supporting with aid, how many people are the US feeding? And many of these countries openly hte us, yet we co ntinue to help
Whats Russia going to do? sprinkle some Stoli on folks and say tht they did something
fuck you
"We stoli-ed some folks"
You really need an education on US Aid and the strings attached. Google US Aid bad deal, us aid strings and other terms like that and you will get a lot of hits.
Even when appearing to care the U.S. fucks it all up.
The fucking Russian propgand here is amazng, why the fuck do you fucks spend time spouting propaganda here? Doesn't make much sense, and only exposes your fucking manipulation of facts
Face it Russia is a one trick Pony totally dependent upon its luck of having minerals gas and oil located under that shit hole ice berg
Fuck all of you cocksuckers
US nice world. Nice, nice but unreal.
The internet is so nice to learn about delusion.
Was Mandela lighting someone on fire when he wrote that?
You are buying into the bullshit.
They are ALL bad. They are ALL corrupt. Even that commie fuck Mandela.
If, as Just Observing noted, the US has started 201 (81%) armed conflicts since WW2, then I observe that there's a 19% chance that some other country might start the next "Big One". Maybe Australia or Canada will start it, given how their Prime Ministers have been acting like the Energizer Bunnies of late. (sarc)
Stop listening to politicians and look at the economic data......or stay in your bubble of fake reality
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/u-s-using-russian-rocket-engines-to-launch-spy-satelites/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/reprint-article-article-being-deleted-on-net-gazprom-buys-europes-biggest-underground-gas-storage-facility/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/joint-team-from-stanford-university-and-saudi-arabia-launch-satellite-from-russias-dombarovsky-air-base-jun-2014/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/21/u-s-chevron-enter-joint-project-with-russias-lukoil-in-nigeria/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/russian-bank-hires-two-former-u-s-senators/
http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/1945-british-national-archives-document-reveals-prime-minister-clement-attlee-desire-for-new-world-order-with-russia-u-k-and-u-s/
and more......http://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com
Nuke Russia. Hang Putin.
DSflted writes: "Nuke Russia. Hang Putin."
asshole - you are one stupid, ignorant fuck
nah, troll
The definition of troll is stupid, ignorant fuck.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Nuke Russia? LOL! The USA would be destroyed first. Russia's anti missile technology is a lot better than Trayvonville Amerika's. The S-500 can take out US ICBMs. The Russian SS-18's and Bulava's have very nasty MIRVs that the USA cannot defend against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6AqN445NF4
The Russian TOPOL comes in at Mach 21. The USA aka Trayvonville Obola Land stuff is pretty dataed now. Built by amazingly corrupt US defense contractors that build a lot of pretty defective shit like the F-35 and the original M-16. The USA cannot even get heavy lift shit into space without the Russians.
You do not want to start a nuke war when the stuff you have is pretty crappy and is built and run by a feral people morphing into Trayvons and MS-13 latino drug gangs.
Russia has no technology, USA gave it (technology) to them...and then the Prussians, and the Germans, ..and the Scandinavians...Romans ,,Greek,..Egytians... Japs...China.............
So the US is the cradle of all innovation? Aaaah. Ok. Keep thinking that.
LOL no, in a sense so to speak, but our roots run long and deep...all the way to the cradle.
- did i mention that the Prussians, and the Germans, ..and the Scandinavians...Romans ,,Greek,..Egytians... Japs...China............also contributed?
In n Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkH7qvNfV_E
During the race to the moon, Nixon said our German scientists are better than Russia's German scientists.
Indeed ,we pass em around like a joint on a Saturday night ...Cheers!!
Easy for you to say, cretin.
Dflated - Member for 1 day 21 hours.
Sounds like another Latvian S.S.R. paid troll, working for a potato.
You're a funny bastard. If you nuke Russia there would be no need to hang Putin. Or do you think he might be in the USA at a Walmart store carrying on like an idiot?
Cue yet even more progressive anti-Russia drivel...
http://www.vox.com/2014/12/1/7313443/vladimir-putin-merkel
And the real gem of this piece:
"It is universally true, in all countries, that economic decline leads to feelings of national insecurity — just look at how often Americans talk about "American decline" since the financial crisis — as well as to more extreme politics, as in much of Europe. But Americans and Western Europeans at least have recourse at the ballot box; they can angrily vote in or out whoever they like."
Lol.... "voting"
+1000, LOL!
An open letter to Angela Merkel from Otto von Bismarck:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/01/otto-von-bismarck-epist...
Let me see if I got this straight. Blah blah blah blah. Yep, that about sums it up.
+1000
meanwhile in Russia, they gettin er done!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ZbZGnlRjI
Dude, you fucking crack me up.
lol, all at the same time wash clothes, fold clothes, exercise while enjoying great outdoors
The most important sentence in Lavrov's address:
"They forgot the advice of, say, Otto von Bismarck, who had said that disparaging the millions-strong great Russian people would be the biggest political mistake."
If the US is so cock sure it can take Russia, why play all the games? Just tell them how it is.
Fat chance.
In nature, the predator that survives to pass on its genes attacks the weak.
This guy has been writing on the "Financial Sense" site about U.S./Russia for years.
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/why-trading-with-r...
Agree or not, some of his stuff is pretty interesting.
That is a compelling piece. I have to agree with the author. Whether we like it or not, the lines are being drawn and the sith lord is coming into view. He's the one flying nuclear armed bombers into the Gulf of Mexico. Choose sides wisely, because if there is war, perceived allegiances become a serious matter.
I find it extremely difficult to take anyone seriously that still uses an aol account.
Standard Disclaimer: I can't help but wonder if he still pays for it as well.
I am going to follow up my own post here, because I went to his website and am now suffering permanent brain damage.
One can't help but wonder if in a previous reincarnation, a Russian pissed in his wheaties.
J.R. Nyquist is a well known net.kook who is stuck in 1980 and thinks Leonid Brezhnev is still pulling the strings in Moscow.
There is also a lot of tension between the US government and it's citizens. They will be sorely disappointed as the people will want little to do with the planned conflict. I sure as hell will not sacrifice me or mine for keeping the corrupt system running.
I despise these self important delusional gits playing empire builder with real people's lives.
OK I feel better now.
The question is, who is going to push the nuclear button because they do not want to lose face, or lose perceived power?
Do you think it will be the Grand Chessmaster Putin or the Whiner Narcissist "Go out and win some elections" Non-negotiator-in-Chief ?
Take a long, hard look in the mirror, and ask yourself if you are willing to risk your life on these people's decisions being correct and non-destructive.
Then, go down to the bunker, or the basement, and stay there for a practice 3-day weekend, with your family, and see what you have to look forward to.
Good luck. You're going to need it.
if anyone were to make it to the usa for a sustained conflict the usa people would fold in 10 seconds, the time it takes to realize what a real firefight and strategic terrorism is really like. i don't know of any american willing to fight for this .gov. that is why the all volunteer army is sending guys in 3 and 4 times for less than 100000 man force in country.
How many American kids were killed and maimed in banker/MIC plus drug running wars in vietnam, iraq, Korea, afghan, the US Civil War for the Red Shield, WW2, WW1 (got pissed on with tanks Bonus Army)? The list is endless.
Anyone who volunteers to fight for scum like Obala, Soros, Rockefellers, Red Shield and McCain is a fool.
first off, no one would make it here before getting incinerated, however, you best read up on the history of the US you fucking dick sucker
We clearly have a history of putting a hurtin on some folks you fucking cock sucker
the vaunted usa military seems to have trouble with people whose military uniforms include pajamas and blankets. the only worse military is the idf which doesn't like a war where people shoot back at them with real weapons.
The leadership of the US is well aware that implementing a military draft will tear the US to smithereens and there is no way that they are going down that path.
The US was the aggressor during the cold war.
It still is.
The question really is are you an inbred retard, or just ignorant? As if one side or the other would win by pushing the button...you fucking moron
Take a good long look in the mirror and discover that its true, yes you are a fucking moron
The problem is that the US leadership thinks it can survive a nuclear war because of all the deep underground military bases, which have been constructed over the last 20 years.
The scary part is that these shits think that they can survive the nuclear winter. The rest of the human race can be incinerated if they launch a nuclear war and those who think that they will hunker down in the underground structures actually think that they will survive.
We are at this precipice of madness.
What's next out of you?
http://molhoingles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/neener.jpeg
nuke ISIS now said to his mirror:
Most sensible post this guy makes is when he talks to himself.
Sergey, baby, why so serious? Come on over to the White House and smoke two joints with Barry & Kerry.
It might be worth Mike Krieger's while to visit Russia to see for himself. The last time I visited Moscow was shortly after its collapse around '96 and everything looked shit which confirmed all my preconceptions about communism. But since then it has quietly turned itself around and with it I have noticed just how much more human and intelligent the Russians are, and how so much of what I had been told about the stereotypical Russians throughout my life were propaganda, shocking Western propaganda which I never knew existed as a youngster, to erase their roles in history (WWII would not have been won without them) and demonize them in our eyes. It is no wonder we have this sort of confirmation bias when it comes to our former enemies.
It's a fair article, even with the warning about placing potentially false trust in Putin which I do not agree with, since in my view, he has always acted in the best interests of peace and dialogue to defend his nation from naked attacks. One day Putin may do something for which I will criticize and condemn him. That day has not come yet. In fact I think the world is extremely lucky to have him around at this time.