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Obama Reverses Policy As US-Turkey Set To Agree On Syrian No-Fly-Zone

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With the apparent goal of 'protecting civilians' from ISIS and Syria's al-Assad, the US and Turkey appear to be close to agreeing on the creation of a no-fly-zone along a portion of the Syrian border. As WSJ reports, U.S. and Turkish officials have narrowed their differences over a joint military mission in Syria that would give the U.S. and its coalition partners permission to use Turkish air bases to launch strike operations against Islamic State targets across northern Syria. The no-fly-zone would provide sanctuary to Western-backed opposition forces and refugees. As Bloomberg notes, this is a significant reversal of Obama's earlier policy (fearing it would be a significant strain on the U.S. Air Force and put fliers in mortal danger) pushing US closer to outright proxy war with Russia via direct confrontation with al-Assad's airforce. 

 

As WSJ reports,

U.S. and Turkish officials have narrowed their differences over a joint military mission in Syria that would give the U.S. and its coalition partners permission to use Turkish air bases to launch strike operations against Islamic State targets across northern Syria, according to officials in both countries.

 

As part of the deal, U.S. and Turkish officials are discussing the creation of a protected zone along a portion of the Syrian border that would be off-limits to Assad regime aircraft and would provide sanctuary to Western-backed opposition forces and refugees.

 

U.S. and coalition aircraft would use Incirlik and other Turkish air bases to patrol the zone, ensuring that rebels crossing the border from Turkey don’t come under attack there, officials said.

 

Turkey had proposed a far more extensive no-fly zone across one-third of northern Syria, according to officials. That idea was, however, a nonstarter for the Obama administration, which told Ankara that something so invasive would constitute an act of war against the Assad regime.

Which the US could never admit to - putting the US in direct conflict with al-Assad's airforce and thus engaging the proxy war with Russia.

As Bloomberg adds,

Ever since the Syrian civil war broke out in early 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama has resisted calls from Congress to establish a no-fly zone in the country. Now we have learned that one of Obama’s top envoys is negotiating just such a plan with Syria’s neighbor Turkey.

 

The new proposal would be called an “air-exclusion zone,” a buffer area inside Syria along the Turkish border that would be manned by Turkish troops and protected by U.S. air power, according to three senior U.S. officials who have been briefed on the discussions. The goal would be to give some Syria rebels and civilians protection from both Islamic State and the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and increase the flow of humanitarian aid to Syria through the zone. The idea was last floated in 2012 by the French government, and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was reported to support it at that time.

 

John Allen, the retired Marine general who is the Obama administration’s lead coordinator for the international coalition against IS, discussed the air exclusion zone with high ranking Turkish officials during his trip there earlier this month, according to these three officials.

 

If Obama approves the plan being negotiated by Allen, it would mark a reversal from his earlier policy. Since 2012, the White House has resisted calls from both parties in Congress to establish such protected areas in Syria, in part because it would be a significant strain on the U.S. Air Force and put fliers in mortal danger. But the White House has also been wary that a no-fly zone could drag the U.S. into a shooting war with the Syrian regime at the very moment it is trying to wage a war against the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, two groups that have also fought the regime.

 

“You can’t have an exclusionary zone and not be in conflict with the regime," said a former Obama administration Pentagon official who worked on the Middle East. "You can’t have your cake and eat it too."

 

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“Ultimately, I’m not sure this division of labor between sectarian rebels against ISIS but not against the regime is sustainable,” he said. “Ultimately if we are going to arm a moderate rebel force, we are going to have to protect them. That means if the regime goes after them, we are going to have to take the necessary steps to protect them.”

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We can only imagine the quid pro quo Kerry had to offer to get Erdogan in on the deal given his recent strong anti-American rhetoric. However, the crucial point is Obama's reversal and more explicitly aggressive stance against al-Assad that will likely warrant a Russian response (in words or deeds).

 

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Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:16 | 5504252 DavidC
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And meanwhile the stock 'markets' are beginning to climb into the US open. Sheeesh.

DavidC

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:20 | 5504256 Newsboy
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Erdogan says foreigners "like seeing our children die", waits a little, then announces the deal for killing more children.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:38 | 5504309 MeMadMax
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So syria becomes the new Vietnam where the russians will "test out" their top-of-the-line anti-aircraft missiles...

 

What, you think assad will send his air force into an area with a superior air force?

 

Nope, he already has one of the largest anti-air collection of military hardware in the world...

 

It's gonna be a blood bath...

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:42 | 5504322 NoDebt
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"significant reversal of Obama's earlier policy"

Wow, that's something you don't see very often.  

He's standing firm on the "no boots on the ground" thing, though.  That's a promise you can depend on.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:43 | 5504331 Latina Lover
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Sounds like the Obamation got bored with the Ukraine crisis,  and so is stirring up shit in Syria and ME.  If only the Nobel War Prize winner would stick to golf and Reggie's rear, the world would be much safer.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:58 | 5504418 SoilMyselfRotten
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No Fly Zone, hmmm, where have i heard that before? Time to bug out Syrians, a storms a comin.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:00 | 5504432 SWRichmond
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Do you now what I wonder?  I wonder which one of these sociopaths is the one who will be sacrificed when it is time to kick off the big war.  They have to know that the master they serve might demand their lives in the service of its ultimate goal, and that one or more of them will be sacrificed in some false flag brouhaha to start the newest (and humanity's final) war.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:34 | 5504749 666
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I wonder how much the USSA paid Turkey for this privilege. They'll just add it to the national debt, I guess.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:38 | 5504991 Paveway IV
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In the mean time, you have U.S. and Canadian veterans leaving every day to go fight in Kobane because - unlike any of their countries 'official' wars - this fight has a noble purpose and they would be fighting on the good guy's side for a change. The Western Kurds were suppose to be the sacrificial lambs for ZATO's invasion of Syria / war against fake ISIS.

And now, Israel want's the last piece of their air corridor to Iran secured with this fake no-fly zone. Which is exactly what they wanted six years ago.

When Israel bombs Iran, the entire world will turn against them, once again. They will expect their paid-for U.S. congressional bitches to protect them and clean up the resulting mess in the Middle East. Any attempt by congress to do so will result in the nullification of the current U.S. government's social contract with it's citizens. 

Israel shouldn't be so eager to foment violent revolution in the U.S. - bankers and judges will be over-represented in the wood-chippers. The replacement government will have little sympathy for Israel's schemes of being the European oil and natural gas supply hub and it will take months for AIPAC to organize the bribing and corruption of the new government officials.

That is, if the new government hasn't already banned AIPAC forever from U.S. soil for aiding and abetting a known terrorist organization.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 17:51 | 5506142 MEAN BUSINESS
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MEANwhile, back at the ranch... Negotiations on a legally binding global agreement are shifting gears. Can't you smell the spirit of trust and cooperation? LULZ

+1 IV, keep throwin' it down! "over-represented in the wood-chippers" ROFL!

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:30 | 5504739 bid the soldier...
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Maybe the ISIS Frankenstein he created really is out of control

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:42 | 5504323 Latina Lover
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Just another bankster war unfolding.....

 

It will be interesting to see how the S 300's do against american aircraft.  Unless the USSA can somehow hack the russian systems, it won't be pretty.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:39 | 5504325 Momauguin Joe
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"When the rich wage war it's the poor that die." - Linkin Park 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:10 | 5504899 Stumpy4516
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Memadmax,

Do not get any of what you are talking about and history says different.

Putin cancelled his agreement to sell Russia latest anti air to both Iran and Syria.   Why?  I think because he was afraid that came too close to upsetting the west.  Syria has had many planes including Israel planes over it's borders and not a single NATO nation nor Israel has had a plane shot down by Syria. 

Another article about how Putin is gonna do it now.  Gonna do something big now.  Putin's had enough.  Putin's line in the sand again.

There will be no real prozy war in Syria.  It has only been home politics in the US and England that has prevented the taking out of Syria like others have been taken out.  You know, the other friends of Russia who were taken down and the people murdered.  Iraq, Libya, Kosovo, Bosnia and on and on and on. 

Putin stopped the EUk forces from pushing out the west because he was afraid the west and Nato would jump in and take direct action, and he would not engage directly to counter this.  This he forced the EUk to agree to a cease fire, the Rebel leader stated this was a betrayal by Putin. 

Putin wants no part of conflict with the west and will allow Syria to be finished off as he watches (just like he has with others).  I am expecting the Ukraine fight to restart with the WUk forces better kitted out and supported with better weapons - and Putin will watch as the EUk's die.

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:38 | 5505007 Latina Lover
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Stumpy4516   I respectfully disagree. Putin will not Syria easily fall.  Syria is all about nat gas pipeline wars. If Syria falls, Gazprom will face competition from a competing pipeline within 3-5 years.  Most wars are battles over money, resources and marketshare.

Putin will also not allow  the Donbass to  fall, due to domestic politics and pipeline wars. 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/54...

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 14:35 | 5505295 HowdyDoody
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And Russia's naval base at Tartus. That will be a useful placement once the east med oil/gas comes into play.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 14:53 | 5505384 Stumpy4516
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Latina,

If that has been the plan by Putin, to protect Syria then he is a very incompetent chess player.  The time to defend Syria was when all this started.  As a humanitarian effort Russian forces should have secured a no fly zone and warned that any missile fired on Syria would be responded to and should have sunk the sub (Israels ?) that I think fired a missile.  Training bases should have been targeted and the true supporters of the foreign fighters pointed out.  Convoys of fighters and supplies identified by satelite and wiped out with carpet bombing by Russian air support.  The very first time a Syrian plane was shot down by Turkey or Israel all positions near where the missile was fired from should have been wiped out.  The first time Israel  attacked a Syrian post, as they have many times, the Israeli posts should have come under full and brutal attack by missiles.

None of this happened because Russia will not then or in the future truely or effectively protect Syria.  Putin just wants to slow down the murdering of Assad and Syrians to make it last longer.  His strategy may be to covertly attack the pipeline if it is built but then his pipeliines wiill be clearly attacked.

Putin cancelled the selling of Russia's latest anti air systems to Syria and Iran, our of fear of upsetting NATO should they be used to shoot down a NATO plane.  Putin has NEVER taken any forceful action against NATO, NEVER.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 14:26 | 5505258 kchrisc
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"It's gonna be a blood bath..."

That's what CIA-Obama and Greater Israel want.

An American, not US subject.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 18:45 | 5506290 tired1
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My guess is that Lebanon will be involved next by whatever pretext. There's a lot of gas off those coasts and Israel isn;t going to share.. There's nothing for them to loas as others are doing the heavy hitting.

The mess gets worse and worse.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:19 | 5504259 Haus-Targaryen
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What gives us the divine right to tell a sovereign country they cannot fly over their own territory? 

I imagine that "Ok, bud, no bombing the ISIS.  If you try and bomb the ISIS, we'll shoot you down.  Oh, no worries though, ISIS absolutely, unequovically does not work for us.  We want to bomb them.  You are not allowed to."   

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:33 | 5504287 pods
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I think that logical pretzel can be summed up by two words:
Amerikan Exceptionalism.

pods 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:36 | 5504297 man of Wool
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No it was a Turkish demand that there be a no-fly zone over Syria. Turkey wants to get rid of Assad but doesn't want to upset the Russians. America does have a right to impose a no fly zone on a foreign sovereign country it is at war with... sort of...

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:38 | 5504312 Latina Lover
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Yay! Gold and Oil up! /sarc off

 

When historians look back, this decision will have been a key part of the escalation to WW3.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:41 | 5504319 Ides of November
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??? Must have missed the Declaration of War.

If US goes Assad I would expect Russian tanks in Kiev by the weekend.

Looks like 2015 really is the year when this really does kick off.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:48 | 5504367 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This will result in a plethora of unanticipated/unintended consequences.

Good article on recent face-to-face discussions between Russian President Putin, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, and Syrian Foreign Minister Mu'allem.

http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/11/syrper-exclusive-what-lavrov-is...

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:30 | 5504534 Latina Lover
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Perhaps off topic, but I wonder why Russia did not push  OPEC harder for cuts? 

Consider the following thought experiment:

Is it possible that Russia wants lower oil prices for a short period:

-reduce competition from US based shale production?

-reduce incentives for further war in the Ukraine by making Donbass Fracking less economically viable?

-make europe more dependent on russian oil and gas since alternatives become priced out?

Most importantly:

-Putin and pals have hundreds of billions in USD offshore. out of Russia.  With the Ruble's huge depreciation, assets are essentially on a fire sale.  May be a good time to start buying out weaker hands.

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:53 | 5504612 jaap
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chuck hagel out: check

no fly zone syria: check

carpet bomb for peace:

regime change:

steal the gold:

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:58 | 5504626 WTFUD
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man of Wool in Wolf's clothing, yeah you scumbag , i'd just love to stick a grenade up your arse you fucking piece of shit.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:42 | 5504329 Save_America1st
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Yup...most likely bribe/threatened with some goodies and told them we wouldn't turn Al-CIA-duh and I-CIA-SIS against them if they played ball.  Sole purpose of no fly zone is to protect the terrorist armies created by our very own scumbag CIA and government traitors. 

Just wait until they use their terrorist army against Saudi Arabia.

 

 

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:14 | 5504476 Bob
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Well . . .

What gives us the divine right to tell a sovereign country they cannot fly over their own territory?

It appears, judging from the media's new language, we acquire that right when we transform a nation from a sovereign country to a regime, e.g. "Assad's regime," whenever possible in referring to it.  Pretty soon, it's just another very eeeeeevil man that the heroic forces for good--that wouild be US, of course--must remove by any means necessary. 

The people eat it up!  Sounds right and all, it practically speaks for itself.  And on to shopping and sports for the citizens of the empire, secure in their beds with visions of sugar-plums dancing in their heads . . .

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:08 | 5504657 Bankster Kibble
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That, plus the Assad regime does not have nukes.  Ergo, we do not have no-fly zones over North Korea.  (they don't have pipelines anyway, so why bother)

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:23 | 5504261 GetZeeGold
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And meanwhile the stock 'markets' are beginning to climb into the US open. Sheeesh.

 

No one on Wallstreet thought Obama had the guts to reverse his policy....turns out he shockingly did....and it was off to the races.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:31 | 5504276 firstdivision
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Am I the only idiot here that is confused by the movement of the long end of the bond curve, as in did QE really-really end?  Do I need to continue drinking more alcohol this morning or start sniffing glue?

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:37 | 5504301 papaswamp
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Alcohol in the morning, glue sniffing in the afternoon.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:06 | 5504651 Bankster Kibble
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Resume drinking tap water to increase your level of flouride.  If that doesn't work fast enough, watch a weekend of reality TV shows.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:50 | 5504811 junction
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Those Syrian "rebels" are CIA-funded mercenaries working for al-Qaeda a.k.a. ISIS, IS and ISIL.  The United States has been under the direct command of the New World Order since the Reichstag Fire event, also known as the 9/11 attacks.  Everything you read in news reports about the attempt to overthrow the Assad regime follows the game plan the Nazis used to solidify their power and to start a world war. 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:18 | 5504255 q99x2
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along a portion of the Syrian border

Pipeline


Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:20 | 5504260 JustObserving
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There is no war that the Nobel Prize Winner has turned down.  His lies about sarin almost led to a major war with Syria last year.  This no-fly zone is an escalation that will get the Nobel Prize Winner the war that he so desperately seeks:

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:25 | 5504720 bid the soldier...
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"No war is too small"

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:22 | 5504262 ZippyBananaPants
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We bombed some folks

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:23 | 5504264 post turtle saver
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way to go, ankle biters... just give the US war machine an excuse, any excuse will do...

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:34 | 5504291 lakecity55
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President Chalky! Our aircraft carrier...just vanished!
Where will our planes land?
They vanished, too!

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:26 | 5504268 BurningFuld
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Ever since the US lead Syrian civil war broke out in early 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama has resisted calls from Congress to establish a no-fly zone in the country.

Fixed the typo.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:29 | 5504275 SheepDog-One
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'No fly zone' just means 'shoot down anything you feel like'.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:29 | 5504283 Jonathan Equine...
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All part of the plan.

 

The Oded Yinon/PNAC plan.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:33 | 5504292 Senduko
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Don't you just love how US can just implement a no-fly-zone over a sovereign country?
This will end bad for Obumba, Syrians air defense is one of the best in the world....

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:21 | 5504694 Road Hazard
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Best in the world? HA!

I seem to recall "experts" stating that Libya, Iraq and Iran had "state of the art air defense systems" and warned that every fighter jet that flies near these countries would be shot down. Well then, why is it that Israel had no problems raping Iran's air defense when they bombed a nuclear reactor over there? Why didn't coalition forces get blown out of the sky during the fall of Iraq? Did Gaddafi shoot anything down when his country was being bombed in '86? I hate the US war machine as much as the rest of you and we are absolutely the schoolyard bully that needs are nosed bloodied before we'll stop. Just not sure anyone can stand up to us short of an all out nuclear war with Russia or China. Since China can't even put a man into orbit without faking it (yes, the whole thing was FAKED and western intelligence perpetuated the lie vs calling China out), I have no faith in any Chinese ICBM being able to do anything except taking off and exploding over the Pacific due to hardware failure. A nuclear war with Russia would be the only thing to stop us (and this is unlikely to ever happen). Until then, we'll continue pushing kids around and making everyone hate our existence.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:34 | 5504293 Dazar Nummers
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Ankara Ankara sort yourself out!

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:35 | 5504294 richiebaby
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Obama's policies, like Italian tanks, have four speeds in reverse

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:36 | 5504303 lakecity55
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Assad: Vlad, I'm gettin' killed here! Where's the help you promised?
Vlad: It's coming soon. Shiny, heavy. It will deflate the Petrodollar. Xi and I have a cunning plan.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:22 | 5504934 Stumpy4516
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Saddam to Russia - where is our help my great friend?

Serbia to Russia - NATO bombs us where is our help our great friend?

Kosovo to Russia - NATO kills us where is our help our best friend.

EUk to Russia - Their planes kill us where is your latest and your no fly zone?  (Putin - you must accept cease fire on all aid cut off.)

Gadaffi to Putin - You are our great friend where is our help?

Putin agreed to sell Russia's latest to Syria and Iran and then cancelled the agreement out of fear of upsetting the west and NATO.  Fact.

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:40 | 5505038 Jonathan Equine...
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True. sort of.

 

In other words - Putin has bent over backwards, time and time again, to avoid conflict with the West.

 

The West responded with sanctions, a false flag sarin attack in Syria, and shot down a civilian airliner, hoping to blame it on Russia.

 

How many times is it now that the western press has "reported" on a Russian "invasion" of Eastern Ukraine?  Half a dozen?

 

Crimea was a red line. 

 

Do you think NATO is going to try to retake Crimea?

 

They will certainly, freely, kill more innocent people and try to use it as an excuse for more war.

 

You gotta wonder if Malaysian airliners were chosen because they found Israel guilty of the warcrimes which... Israel was guilty of.  It would be keeing with Israel's Old Testament morality.

 

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 14:12 | 5505202 Stumpy4516
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I do not think NATO intends to take Crimea by direct force by NATO.  I think NATO will cut off land access and services to Crimea and make it a drain on Rlussia.  And WUk forces will be sent in on covert missions to make life hell anywhere along Crimea's border.  Crimea is the one and only success I can think of to give to Putin, and he had every adantage at the time as the EUk rebels provided a buffer.

Malaysia was chosen TWICE so that it would be an unmistakeable message to others.  And since nothing is done about it the message will be very effective.  The fact that Russia is afraid to take action on the other items shows weakness and unreliabity to other nations.

I feel Putin plays a delay game as NATO kills off Russia's allies and Russia will regret not taking actions when allies still existed and could have assisted in a fight.  But perhaps there is no choice for Russia as it cannot withstand the cost of a prolonged conflict on any scale.

 

 

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 14:40 | 5505321 HowdyDoody
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The EU has been criticizing the settlements and some EU have companies have withdrawn from contracts in Israel. Hence the infamous 'F*ck the EU'.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:37 | 5504307 papaswamp
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Oil is too low... Must create uncertainty and bring it back up...even though this has very little to do with oil.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:49 | 5504369 Soul Glow
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JPM smashed oil to punish Russia.  

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:50 | 5504374 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Oil is too low... Must create uncertainty and bring it back up...even though this has very little to do with oil." /sarc

Fixed it!

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:36 | 5504308 Soul Glow
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The quid pro quo was an ice cream sandwhich.  Ergodan is easy to please.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:52 | 5504320 Son of Captain Nemo
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Attempt to take out Assad in Syria, get ass kicked in Ukraine...

Keep pressure on Ukraine get ass kicked in Syria....   

And we haven't even gotten into the details of what losing the bases... excuse me embassies in Iraq, Libya, Egypt (psyops ain't workin and the economy needs lots more money like everywhere else to prop it up) and Afghanistan will look like when President Link makes his decision which edge of the "shit sandwich" to take a bite out of next!  Guaranteed we will be seeing more of Egypt and the rest of the gaggle falling apart when either one gets started.... All the Kingdom's horses and all the Kingdom's men in NATO ain't gonna belly up to both when the toothpaste is coming out of both ends!!!

The U.S. is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't with or without another Israeli sponsored 9/11 happening!!!!

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:50 | 5504339 Moccasin
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Over the recent past days ISIS has been attacking the Kurdish city of Kobani from Turkey. The Turks hate the Kurds and always have. It is well known that Turkey has supported ISIS by allowing ISIS to have sanctuary on its territory. Furthermore, Turkey has supported the ISIS by buying its oil cheap and laundering it on the world market. So who is it the Obomba attacking and protecting by creating this 'no fly zone'? We all know it and this is an attack on Assad. Barry's proxy army ISIS has pissed him off by taking Iraqi territory but at the end of the day this is about taking out Assad's Syria and on to Iran.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:52 | 5504395 smacker
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" ...a no-fly zone could drag the U.S. into a shooting war with the Syrian regime at the very moment it is trying to wage war against the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, two groups that have also fought the regime."

Imagine that, Washington bombing all sides in Syria. If this doesn't tell you that Washington has gone completely mad, I don't know what will. Westminster's empty suit Cameron will be in full support.

 

Apart from that, RT.com reported this morning that "Erdogan doesn't talk to Obola any more." And Erdogan is now snuggling up to Putin. How long before it leaves NATO?

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:17 | 5504498 Moccasin
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I fully expect Iran and Syria to invoke their mutual defence treaty and they will use and test some of that very serious Iranian hardware on our military. It is nothing less than hubris and narcissism for us in the USA to suggest that Iranian hardware is ineffective. As we saw when Iran captured one our best drones with their Army signals division and diverted it for a nice landing that the Iranians can and will surprise us. Lastly, Our military has always taken on light weights and Iran combined with Syria is a more serious foe backed by China and Russia. And Russia is a full on capable heavy weight, why do we want to do this? Oh right, Rothschild banking hegemony, its all about money, war is a racket.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:30 | 5504986 Stumpy4516
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Heard all of this type of tripe before Iraq and before Libya and so on.

China?  Nothing from China at all.

Before things got warmed up in Syria everyone said Russia had drawn it line in the sand.  Then it was crossed.  Now all we hear is how Putin is gonna do something now!  No, but Now!  Oh, well no, but Now!  Well, REALLY NOW!  REALLY REALLY NOW BETTER LOOK OUT!  Oh, he did nothing?, that is because he is such a great chess playe.

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 22:04 | 5507026 Moccasin
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We don't know if China or Russia have supplied certain weapon systems. Our government is far from omniscient. It is difficult to say when or how Russia will play their cards in Syria but we must assume they will because we do know they do have a vested interest in Syria. It is not likely Russia will announce its planned delivery of S300's for Syria. Iran is certainly not going to stand around and watch, they do not want these problems on their border. It is folly to suggest Iran and Syria combined are fearful of the US and Israel, we can say they respect their opponents military capacity and each side can deliver a death blow to one and other. Any assumption or declaration that claims a one sided advantage for the US and Israel is dangerous thinking and very likely wrong. The war is far from over, it is unpredictable but we can be certain that our US government is not omniscient or omnipotent and that they are capable of mistakes.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:37 | 5505019 Jonathan Equine...
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Iran won't do shit.

In fact, neither will Syria. 

 

Neither is in a position to do so.

 

You might even see the Israelis take the chance to bomb more Syrian commercial or military sites {after claiming, without evidence, that it involved the transfer of weapons to Hezbollah- the resistance movement in Lebanon}.  Assad would do nothing.

 

If he did, and the Israelis dropped tactical nukes - do you think anything would happen to Israel in terms of sanctions, or anything else? 

 

Of course not.  Israel uses its nuke and chem weapon stockpile to threaten its neighbors, all while claiming to be "threatened" by some old languag in the Hamas charter. 

 

But when you have people who think a supreme being wrote the bible and 'chose' one tribe [but could never give them good and clear title, and hates foreskin, and doesn't know any science, etc.] - there's no getting them to change their mind based on 'evidence.'

 

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:26 | 5504523 WTFUD
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Slimy Limey that Cameron! Would be wonderful to see Farage garner huge support at the next election and kick the 2 establishment captured parties right up the ass.
With Marine le Pen on the up it would be just fucking dandy to see her and Nigel work together to force these bankster war criminals and gubmint glove puppets to pull the fuck out of Iraq, Syria, Ukraine and elsewhere.

In saying that i am not naive enough to think that Farage would not have to compromise on certain issues BUT i truly feel that both him and Le Pen are as repulsed as the rest of us by the never ending murderous attacks on sovereign nations.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:05 | 5504872 smacker
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Nigel Farage - who made his money as a trader in The  City - talks big about a lot of issues and slags down the Establishment. But if he were to get into government (very very unlikely next May), he would soon discover that the giant "government machine" which ultimately decides what can/cannot be done is not actually owned and run by elected politicians, but by the Establishment itself. If he applies pressure on them to change things in ways they dislike they will respond by sabotaging him and his ilk. Leaking dirt to the media is a popular technique used. There are plenty of other tactics available to bring politicos into line.

There is no better example of how ineffective elected politicians are than the witch Theresa May at the Home Office which has the Immigration agency, Met Police and GCHQ reporting to it. Since 2010, she has been unable (or unwilling) to sort out the immigration problems, reign back Met Police abuse of powers nor trim the illegal activities of GCHQ spying.

Elected politicians are mostly a front for the Establishment.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 15:39 | 5505589 Monty Burns
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Exactly.  There was a time when I used to believe that all politicians are  totally corrupt and would sell out for anything once they achieved 'power'. I think it's a bit more subtlethan that.  They find when, or just before, they get into power than in fact they're just fronts for the permanent overlords.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:01 | 5504443 sudzee
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Huge power play in progress. Putin meeting Erdogan while The O promisses anything Erdogan wants. Turkey is ground zero. A loss here means the end of US diplomacy by extortion.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:49 | 5504588 besnook
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erdrogan is playing both sides against the middle. whoever turkey sides with is the winner of the middle east. they will play obambam for money but turkey, like so many other nations in the region, know the future is with russia/china. if turkey takes part in any action in syria that compromises russia's interests they will pay dearly for it.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:12 | 5504485 WTFUD
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I think it's just very human and comforting that it's all about the children and refugees. Not a dry eye on the Hedge; would bring a tear to a glass eye.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 13:38 | 5505017 Emergency Ward
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I haven't seen so much concern for Children and Refugees since the days of the great humanitarian Madeline Albright.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:27 | 5504525 THE DORK OF CORK
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Turkish diesel consumption up by a large amount relative to last year according to the IEA.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:32 | 5504540 THE DORK OF CORK
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Tanks require feeding

Aug 2013 : 262kbd

Aug 2014 :326kbd

 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:34 | 5504545 THE DORK OF CORK
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This is very much a centralisation project by the global banks.

Destroy ancient cultures in Syria , ship them off to the western consumer maw and turn them into good little consumer soldiers somewhere in no where land.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:56 | 5504618 Bankster Kibble
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"pushing US closer to outright proxy war with Russia via direct confrontation with al-Assad's airforce"

This would be proxy war #3 in the past 7 years.  We had Georgia, now we have Ukraine, and next is Syria?  Well, it worked so well for the first two, didn't it.  Woohoo!  Let's do it again!

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:11 | 5504667 Bankster Kibble
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Will the no-fly zone extend to the port of Tartus?  Might be interesting to see how the Russians react.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:54 | 5504829 bid the soldier...
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Erdogan

hates the US for releasing the embarrassing tapes which coincided with the coup in Ukraine. Another bridge too far for Obama.

hates Israel for its deadly attack on the Mavi Marmara. Israel still hasn't paid compensation to the families of the dead protesters,  

hates Assad knowing Putin backs him against the US

buys Russian gas for Turkey

is presently hosting large Russian delegation, including Putin, in Ankara.

and simultaneously discussing air-exclusion zone with the US 


 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 15:34 | 5505566 noben
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"You can’t have your cake and eat it too."

Newsflash to Pentagon: Actually, you CAN.  You just can't eat it and still have it.

The statement might be true if said "cake" contains HFCS (Hi-Fructose Corn Syrup) from Monsanto's GMO.  Then, yeah, I could not eat it either.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 15:51 | 5505639 talisman
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Stinks of USAIPAC/Turkey protection of ISIS (weapons/terrorist import - oil export) supply corridors against any Assad interference. These logistics corridors leading from Turkey to Iraq have been defended and have never been closed off despite their narrowness and extremen ease of shutting them down. 

 
These corridors have been used extensively when the CIA shuttled weapons and terrorist mercenaries out of Libya/Benghazi; google "weapons shipped from benghazi to turkey" for multiple references, such as:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/cnn-confirms-wnd-reporting-on-gun-running-in-benghazi/#!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-efforts-to-arm-jihadis-in-syria-the-scandal-behind-the-benghazi-undercover-cia-facility/5377887 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/real-benghazi-story.html 

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 21:08 | 5506779 Rootin' for Putin
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oooohhh Obama reversed his stance on something.  Now in breaking news; day follows night.

Mon, 12/01/2014 - 21:11 | 5506796 tired1
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Putin has told Mr. Mua’llem that he can count on Russia to continue building up the Syrian army, providing diplomatic support with an air umbrella (if necessary) to block any NATO assault on Syria.  Mr. Mua’llem could not expect any rosier confab.
Read more at http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/11/syrper-exclusive-what-lavrov-is...
http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/11/syrper-exclusive-what-lavrov-is...
Tue, 12/02/2014 - 04:59 | 5507750 Heavy
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Fail!

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