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Daniel Hannan Summarizes Europe's Dead-End Policies In 70 Seconds
"It's a funny thing... but if you start taxing countries for doing the right thing, in order to pay countries who are doing the wrong thing, you're going to end up fewer of the former and more of the latter." Europe's perverse incentives to 'not' succeed exposed in just 70 seconds...
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Exactly.
That's why there are fewer manufacturing jobs than government jobs in America
That's why there are fewer and fewer people working at all in America...
There are lots of people employed but fewer and fewer people working at all in America.
Was Margraret Thacher just reincarnated
Is this guy running for Arkansas State Senate anytime soon?
"Is this guy running for Arkansas State Senate anytime soon?"
I've liked listening to this man for years, but don't get too excited, we have Congress-Critters that speak the truth sometimes, however, their actions NEVER seem to match their words.
Sometimes the party machines marginalize the honest ones. Sometimes the electorate is too stupid to vote for them. Instead, as Bastiat, Rand and others have have foretold the electorate now simply vote for those that promise the biggest slice of other peoples' money.
Only in government, is failure rewarded.
Nanny, some people, even politicians, will not be marginalized without a fight.
See the link of a fight to the death.
http://www.oldstatehouse.com/collections/history/knifefight.aspx
~"It's a funny thing... but if you start taxing countries for doing the right thing, in order to pay countries who are doing the wrong thing, you're going to end up fewer of the former and more of the latter."~
Nailed it. Someone hand the gentleman a cigar.
That's what he said.
/sarc
I should start doing just that. I will automatically assume anyone who I think is in a inferior position is incompetent and undeserving of what they have. I shall assume that they all, without exceptions, are liable. I shall extract from the majority due to the actions of the minority. They do not deserve what they have. It should be mine.
Sounds elitist. Sounds like a bankster. /sarcoff No wonder it works.
...start taxing (people) for doing the right thing, in order to pay (the demanding free-shit army) who are doing the wrong thing, you're going to end up fewer of the former and more of the latter.
But, but, but...it's works for Obummer right?
Fewer of the former (Republican voters) and more of the later (Democrat voters). Damn straight it works for Obummer.
Thanks voters, republicans and democrats, you have managed to elect those who do not deserve the position 100% of the time. You voters manage to elect those who fuck us over 100% of the time. Thanks to your votes, we keep getting fucked.
Democracy: Three wolves and two sheep voting on what's for dinner.
In the beginning it was three wolves and one hundred sheep. But one of the wolves managed to burrow under the fence, dress up in a sheep skin (guess how he got hold of one of them) and convince the sheep that fence maintenance was unnecessary because the grass on the other side was greener.
And soon only one sheep will remain.
When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
-H. L. Mencken He wrote this in the early part of the twentieth century. One wonders what he'd have to say today.Giving you a pass on Republicans being good (gimme mah social security...) the problem is the party people vote for it is the people they vote for.
Honest people need to start stepping up. Voters need to vote for them. As it is, the voters cannot vote for them because nobody of any moral worth runs.
And here we all sit.
Banks are the crux of the evil that resides in the world.
A little blob of neurons in the heads of dupes that makes them obedient to government.
That is the root of almost all evil.
Yes, we should be free to create our own currency, be it seashells or golden ingots. Alas! We are not free to do that, are we?
Correction: it's the government despots that make the activities of these banks legal which are the crux of the evil. It all starts with those who have been trusted with the keys to the kingdom and their utter failure to keep their oaths to serve the interests of their fellow citizens.
Summary:
Not the Corperations
Not the Banks
Not the Jews
It's the Government that is the root of the problem, the thing you're most afraid of.
ding ding ding. gov't is the facilitator, it holds a monopoly on the use of force.
Our dipshit US Marxist President calls it Wealth Redistribution. Welcome to the club.
As long as people get food stamps Obama will continue to bail out the rich, because the poor will never know they are suffering.
Soul Glow, that is a very perceptive observation...
Redistribution is a two edged sword, cutting both ways and ultimately destroying everything within its reach. Ultimately neither rich or poor will survive its swath.
Describes American social engineering to a T.....
The solution is so obvious. Only corruption prevents it.
I like to see if corruption can outrun this… CheyTac
http://www.military.com/video/specialties-and-personnel/snipers/ultimate...
It is the corrupt that own the weapon technology. The laws are designed specifically to keep us at a disadvantage. The only reason they allow us to have guns is that their technology has so far outpaced what is available to us, we might as well have slingshots. Of course the second reason is that our possession of weapons that everyone can see on TV instills fear. Fear of us...that only government can protect us from. It all works beautifully, doesn't it.
People talk a lot of shit about the UK on here, but they seem to be the one country in Europe that has a healthy skepticism of the European Union and its fascist rulers.
They have their own fascist rulers. As do we.
"People talk a lot of shit about the UK on here"
And you know this after only 10 weeks?
Been reading this site for over 2 years, only felt the need to post something 10 weeks ago, not that you care
Jail the Bankers already.
Socialism is not about to make all people equally poor and fine hard working guys to give food to poorest, Socialism is about to make all people equally rich and make a way for poorest to become rich like all around.
They get it all upside down. There are not such thing like elite or social status in socialism - the more you work - the more you get, not a - born rich - die rich.
Your Socialism is nothing but a fiction. Same category as immortality, or free energy...
... and capitalism. In the real world, the only "ism" that exists is feudalism.
There are actions and there are excuses. Pay attention to the former and you may as well ignore the latter.
I don't care about any "-ism" as long as it doesn't infringe upon the free market. Which always wins. Kind of like gravity...
Do you pay the "free market" price when you buy land?
Cheap shit that breaks is a product of the free markets.
McDonalds is a product of the "free markets".
Walmart is a product of the "free markets".
Windows is a product of the "free markets".
What? Cronies? Well I guess the free markets aren't so indestructible after all. But aren't those cronies simply involved in your beloved free-will transactions with no interference from "outsiders"?
Oh, but never mind. That shit will sort itself out. You betcha it will.
Free market always wins? Sure it does. Just ask TPTB. They freely buy and sell legislation and govts. Why don't you buy and sell legislation and govts?
"You can not build a fool-proof system because fools are so ingenious."
You can not build an evil-proof system because evil is even more ingenious.
But, depending on how you choose to define things, yes indeed the free markets will win in the end.
Still waiting for the free markets to sort everything out.
Even after sniffing a whole tube of glue your statements make no sense...
That's some of the best sarcasm I've read on here in a long time. I especially liked the part about making everybody equally rich. Just about fell off my chair laughing.
And, yet, it has a perfect historical record of doing the exact opposite!
And capitalism has a perfect historical record of devolving into "crony capitalism" at the first available opportunity.
When everything is going fine, it is called "capitalism". When things fuck up, ohhhhhhhhhhhhh then its everything EXCEPT capitalism.
The labels are useless. There is the flow of good and evil, and when evil is in charge, no pathetic "system" can stop it.
Except for the mega-murders perpetrated by Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, National Socialist Adolph, yes, you have a point.
I believe most people chose to escape the murderous regimes of Socialism, through any means necessary.
Except for the mega-murders perpetrated by Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, National Socialist Adolph, yes, you have a point.
I believe most people chose to escape the murderous regimes of Socialism, through any means necessary.
@ kowalli
Socialism is about different levels of poverty.
Genuine capitalism is about different levels of wealth
Take your pick
Genuine capitalism, as with genuine socialism, does not exist. Both are fairytale fantasies, at which point you may as well also indulge a benevolent monarch.
The system is inherently unstable and so it oscillates.
makes sense to me.
piffle poffle. Scams are not the right thing.
Fraudulent-reserve banking is fraud; theft.
Government has relinquished their only natural roles of justice and contract enforcement to the banksters and their frauds and thefts for a share in the lucre--fascism.
If instead of "legalizing" the unlawful fraud of the banksters, they instead jailed them, and had them pay restitution to their victims, not to their governmnet cronies, then we would not be in the state and condition we are in now.
Guillotine all of the banksters and let God sort them out.
An American, not US subject.
Can't understand why such a smart fellow is still in the mainstream Conservative Party...
You're right.
It's time Daniel came out and admitted that his party is a sham, lead by an empty suit. But he may have a secret agenda to make a bid for its leadership.
@ smacker,
It isn't the party as a whole that's a sham just a few of the MP's.
Cameron isn't an old fashioned Conservative, just a self important PR guy in the mould odf Tony "warmonger" Blair.
Speaking of whom, Cameron still employs Blair's chief of staff Jeremy fucking Heywood (now he IS a tosser ) with his trendy left wing ideaologies.
To cap off all the other problems the poor sod has to work with the back-stabbing Liberals particulary the back-stabber in chief Nick Clegg.
I've long thought that Daniel Hannan is a first class orator but whether he could kick butt to sort out the entrenched system abusers is something else.
I thought Daniel Hannan was already in the UKIP, the way he writes his articles in the Daily Telegraph, but then... I was reminded how the Telegraph is constantly borderline UKIP... until elections or serious issues come, and then they - in my personal view - switch to a Tory mainstream argumentation. The Telegraph's owners... well, that is another story
so what is Daniel Hannan saying here? In principle, I fully agree with him, he is talking sense. In the detalis, and particularly the example he uses... I have to laugh a bit
1: "the way to deal with banks is not to fine them... it's to make directors liable...". Excellent proposal, wrong venue. He is talking in the EU Parliament, which has no such powers. He should be making this speech in Westminster, UK's Parliament, that has the whip over the British financial watchdog and has the power to change British criminal law
2: then he makes a roundabout about the EUR stability fines which were never used, and then makes the case of countries having to pay for not using the EUR. There, he touches on the additional bill that the UK has to pay because it's GDP was retroactively raised, counting drugs and prostituion
and this is where his populism and lack of interest for candid truth shows. The EU club's bill is split among the member countries according to a formula, which is tied to the GNI (the smaller brother of GDP)
sure, the fact that Britain has grown it's output causes a further raise of this bill. perhaps, or perhaps not, this was because Britain did not join the EUR
nevertheless, it's about the same argumentation as if he was saying: we agreed on a flat tax, I make now more, so I am more successful then you, but now I'm supposed to pay more taxes?
"this (money) has been surcharged on us as a levy on prosperity"... yes, Daniel, according to the formula on GNI. yes, like a flat tax, on which your country still has a special rebate since Maggie Tatcher banged her handbag on the summit table
so I can't really see his speech as more then empty words. If he really wanted some change, he could have used his speech time to encourage directly national parliaments to change criminal law regarding banks, and could have gone in the nuts and bolts of the way the EU is financed, and asked for... what exactly I don't know, then there his case leaks, badly
empty pol suit, populist sheeple manipulator, I fear, representative for that part of the British conservatives that exploit their political base
You're right about the Telegraph, same thing with one or two other newspapers.
The thing about Daniel is that he serves a useful purpose as an MEP. But if he were to espouse his Austrian views et al back home in Westminster, he'd not find a very sympathetic audience in the Tory Party like Carswell didn't. Right of centre Tories are a dying breed nowadays as the Party itself has shifted slowly leftwards to get voter support and match the socialist New/Old Labour Party.
The Home Office witch is no way a Right of centre Tory with her GCHQ spies, out-of-control Immigration agency and serial abuser of powers, the Met Police. She hs done nothing to sort these monkeys out.
Chancellor Osborne, despite his endless rhetoric about austerity and repairing the economy, today he will deliver his Autumn Statement which will announce yet more spending and more debt. This govt has done very little to reduce state spending let alone debt.
so I'm not the only one that noticed. I don't mind Daniel Hannan being Austrian, quite the contrary, but how Austrian is he? Note his argument about Britain not being in the EUR club, and so being "the first to rebound" (and then complaining for the higher EU bill). This "rebound" was "financed" by a very high Bank of England balance sheet increase that is not going to be scaled back as the ECB is doing
perhaps it's me, but if he was an honest "Austrian School" proponent, I'd expect him to be honest on this, too. instead he makes the populist anti-EU argument out of half-lies
look, smacker, for some reason you Brits are completely lacking any serious and honest discussion about the realities of the EU in your media, with few exceptions like sometimes The Guardian and the Financial Times. You read from me I'd be the first to uncork lots of champagne if the UK leaves this club. I'd be delighted. But I'd prefer that decision to be based on truth and honesty
LOL. Daniel Hannan is against imposing this kind of fines, he says in this speech. Have a look at this: http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-daniel-hannan-2.html
at the bottom of the list, you'll see that he voted loyally with the British Torys for the draft legislative resolution called "The powers of the ECB to impose sanctions"
How does this square off with the view that the British Torys always vote against ECB powers, btw?
http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-the-powers-of-the-european-central-bank...
Nigel Farage voted against this draft, note
here is the full text of the amendments proposed http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=REPORT&reference=A8-2...
so what is happening here? perhaps his words are taken out of context, perhaps he did reconciliate those views in a later part of his speech, then he voted yes. despite him being generally against sanctions on countries in this general theme. or he talks "no", but then votes "yes"
I love how empty the place is when he speaks.
It's like: 'Shaddup already. We know and we don't care as long as we're getting ours and nobody can finger us.'
Yes but i bet they'd already signed in for the daily 300 euros.
Sanctions on the directors and officers of banks that fail leaving them personally liable for debts. What a good idea. The sanctions would have to include the wives/husbands and children as well just to make sure that they don't try to defeat the bankruptcy laws with technicalities but I think that that is a very workable solution.
Sanctions on the directors and officers of banks that fail leaving them personally liable for debts. What a good idea. The sanctions would have to include the wives/husbands and children as well just to make sure that they don't try to defeat the bankruptcy laws with technicalities but I think that that is a very workable solution.
I'd rather a poor person gets an extra buck than a rich guy any day of the week.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
The problem with capitalism is eventually one per cent own everything and the rest have to fight over the crumbs.
Any system is viable as long as it remains voluntary and claims nothing of others. Unfortunately that voluntary system is NOT viable because there will always be those who will insist on obtaining the power through the force of a mob to remove others property and rights as a free citizen.
We be, and have always been,, fucked. We are stupid sheep that GIVE our liberty away, either through greed and hope of something for nothing, or from fear and weakness to lose what we have. If there is a 1% or .1% or .01% that prospers, it is because they understand this very basic truth. They do not need to oppress us with force or even perpetuate some sly and inventive lie. All they need do is present us with simple choices that reward short term gains and defer any pain. We will do the rest.
So if we subsidize free heatlhcare, food, housing, utilities, and phone/internet for irresponsible wastrels, we're likely to end up with a growing number of irresponsible wastrels. Hmmm.
That old law of unintended consequences keeps coming back home.
All I have thought about since 2000 is how expensive the Euro-experiment has been,and how one of the main goals was to prevent war in Europe.
Take the Europarliament out of Belgium tomorrow and how many coffee shops would fold and how many unemployed teenage hookers would there be? Nigel Farage has covered the corruption of this unnecessary bureacracy many times. A lone voice in the wilderness.
Okay.So how would an impartial,objective observer from a different planet see this mess?
If you pick up a history book you will find that Belgium was an artificial construct,to prevent the deployment of large land armies (the neutrality clause) in the Northern European area.
Now it seems that the Fed is using Belgium to be a buyer of T-Bills (US Gov't debt),cooking the books to appear as if a market exists for the trash (US companies have been doing share buybacks lately,with cheap money,trying to goose the market.This should be illegal market manipulation,but after LIBOR,who cares?).
The old joke about "when the tide goes out you see who has been swimming naked" is about to unfold.
If someone had a six month position on crude oil climbing they are toast about now.
Several weeks now without a Banker having an unfortunate accident somewhere's.....
The Euro-zone is in a far bigger mess than recent headlines and figures suggest. Most of the growth in the Euro-zone over recent years has been in Germany and that bright spot is now under pressure. Italy has been in recession for two years; France’s economy has been stagnant for months.
Now that Germany is slowing, many economist think the chances of a Japan-style deflationary spiral have risen sharply. Blame is being cast upon German policymakers that remain pigheadedly opposed to the stimulus the euro area needs. Bottom-line and what it all boils down to is Germany can’t keep buying Greek bonds with German taxpayer money until the end of time. The article below looks deeper into why the euro may be on its way out.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/10/global-economic-malaise-due-to-debt.html
Yes, stimulus is always the answer.
How come the elimination of debt is never the answer?
Oh, thats right! if the world was not in debt there would be no reason why everyone must work and pay taxes until they day they die.
Who tries to help others always takes it up the ass!
hehe
While he claims he never will, one does wonder why Hannan hasn't bolted to UKIP.
because he actually has a conscience...?
For all his fine words ... he is still of the system.
He supports the essential tenet ... "that it is right to take the property of others, using force."
That is how he is paid.
Fuck him ... and his mates.
Daniel Hanin is one of the few straight talkers in UK politics, and he is usually spot-on. Healthy Eu-skeptic and good common-sense.
Unfortunately a lone voice.... a bit like the uk's ron paul/ alan greyson.
Eu is rotten to the core. Junker gets a million dollar retirement for f-ing it all up, Eu far right rising, Eu conflict in Ukraine staged, & so many things we dont even realise. Everyone was fine before this political experiment gone mad. Why do so many people still believe their propaganda and hold the idea of leaving the Eu as unthinkable. Crazy.