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Grand Jury Fails To Indict White NYPD Cop; Protesters Block Roads, Tunnels In NYC, Multiple Arrests - Live Feed
Summing it all up in one photo...
It would appear NYPD has blacked out all webcams on the Westside Highway...
Literally nothing to see right now on the West Side Highway, please move on. pic.twitter.com/luIaidrWpS
— Barbarian Capital (@BarbarianCap) December 4, 2014
Live NY1 Coverage:
The politicians and 'leaders' have weighed in .@cbrangel on Garner decision: "This not a black problem. This is a problem we have in our great country." pic.twitter.com/d8go1o6cWA — CBSN (@CBSNLive) December 3, 2014 oh boy RT @JimDalrympleII: Sharpton is announcing a national march in Washington DC on Dec. 13. #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/oQDVubbMnx — Robert Caruso (@robertcaruso) December 4, 2014 * * * And so has Eric Garner's widow... Eric Garner's widow on accepting condolences of NYPD officer: "Hell no" http://t.co/kxsACRy9Ys pic.twitter.com/7VyutEjdjz — CBS News (@CBSNews) December 4, 2014 * * * Poilice are preparing at Grand Central (430pm protest planned) Cops gearing up for potential #ericgarner protest at Grand Central. pic.twitter.com/97viu0BKZr — Ivan Pereira (@IvanPer4) December 3, 2014 4:30 protest at Grand Central 5:00 Garner family int Times Sq. 7:00 Rockfeller Christmas tree 7:30 Garners & Sharpon in Harlem #EricGarner — Justin Miller (@justinjm1) December 3, 2014 Die in at Grand Central Station happening right now. #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/fV9NmJeNAY — ANIMALNewYork (@ANIMALNewYork) December 3, 2014 And protests are growing more active Demonstrators gather in Times Sq to protest Grand Jury decision not to indict cop over death of Eric Garner #NewYork pic.twitter.com/vwBVVoeEpX — Jon Williams (@WilliamsJon) December 3, 2014
First wave of protesters have arrived at Rockefeller Center #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/cFGsbJOQO5
— Dan Linden (@DanLinden) December 3, 2014
BREAKING - WEST SIDE HIGHWAY JUST FORCED CLOSED BY 1000 PROTESTERS AT 51 ST. http://t.co/xUsa7dnw8U #EricGarner #MikeBrown #Ferguson
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 4, 2014
West Side highway right now. Via @DanLinden pic.twitter.com/zgi95ZPCzn WATCH LIVE - http://t.co/34Kxumqv3R
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) December 4, 2014
NYPD making Brutal Arrests At 47th and 6th Ave. #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/qqNrjfQQnL
— Lnonblonde (@Lnonblonde) December 4, 2014
Protesters shut down West Side Highway at 49th. @ABC7NY #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/w8aeAD3y8i
— EverythingNYC (@EverythingNYC) December 4, 2014
Protestors on move, "shutem down, Christmas tree" #EricGarner heading for Rockefeller Center? pic.twitter.com/AlXtquDmGo
— Stephen Nessen (@s_nessen) December 3, 2014
The NYPD is cutting off train entrances, apparently in an attempt to prevent organized protests. #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/8TvYEFE6vx
— Terrell J. Starr (@Russian_Starr) December 3, 2014
Protests continue on the streets of New York City over the NYPD chokehold death of Eric Garner http://t.co/F3b7ZhMAXs pic.twitter.com/5uX8gOg4sm
— CBS News (@CBSNews) December 4, 2014
Loving my City @JohnGGalt: BREAKING PHOTO: Lincoln Tunnel shut down #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/MXwB9oSC6n”
— BEYNCEcallmeDVA (@BEYNCEcallmeDVA) December 4, 2014
And arrests made in St.Louis after courthouse barricades torn down...
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Cuomo Statement
JUST IN: Andrew Cuomo statement on #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/8CskjcNncY
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 3, 2014
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A Staten Island grand jury has decided not to indict white NYPD officer Daniel Panateleo, according to NY1, who allegedly used a banned chokehold and killed Eric Garner, a 400lb black man, who was stopped on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes. Eric Garner's son has called for peace and hopes there is no Ferguson-like response...
This is the racial makeup of the #grandjury that declined to indict in the #EricGarner case pic.twitter.com/CAzTWAgoSG
— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) December 4, 2014
Eric Garner:
Daniel Panteleo:
The scene...
The decision...
JUST IN: Cop cleared in Eric Garner chokehold death http://t.co/NJEQ568CEX pic.twitter.com/hoIjgQm49o
— New York Post Metro (@nypmetro) December 3, 2014
A New York City grand jury has decided not to indict the New York Police Department officer accused of killing a Staten Island man by putting him in an illegal chokehold. The NYPD is now preparing for more protests stemming from the decision.
Early Wednesday afternoon, CNN, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post all reported that a grand jury declined to indict the officer.
Although the special grand jury declined to indict Daniel Pantaleo, the white officer accused of strangling Garner, who was black, the police department can still reprimand Pantaleo under a basic rule that loosely states if an officer does anything to embarrass the department, then they can be disciplined.
"It's sad if they take that position," Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, told Staten Island Live. "I'd be surprised and a bit disappointed if he was used as a political pawn to appease the community."
The incident occurred on July 17, when at least five New York Police Department officers took 43-year-old Eric Garner, a Staten Island father of six, to the ground in an attempted arrest on Staten Island. One put Garner in a chokehold that caused Garner – who suffered from asthma – to lose consciousness and reportedly go into cardiac arrest. He was declared dead at a nearby hospital.
The Staten Island District Attorney’s Office convened the grand jury in September, but did not announced the list of potential charges against Pantaleo. But prosecutors outside the district told ABC News that the range could have included second-degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, felony assault or reckless endangerment. Legal experts and former prosecutors had said that, despite the medical examiner’s ruling the death a homicide, murder charges were unlikely, the New York Times reported.
Garner's son...
“It’s not going to be a Ferguson-like protest because I think everybody knows my father wasn’t a violent man and they’re going to respect his memory by remaining peaceful,” Snipes said. “It’s not going to be like it was there.”
Let's hope so...
Police in New York City began preparing for potential protests before the grand jury decision was announced.
"We, as you might expect, are planning accordingly," New York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said at a news conference on Tuesday.
Bratton did not reveal how many officers were placed out on the streets ahead of the announcement, but he said that officers have been told to walk a fine line between allowing the protesters to express their anger while keeping public order.
If they engage in criminal activity, such as vandalism ? actual crime ? they will be arrested, quite simply," he said. "But we have the ability to have a level of tolerance ? breathing room, if you will."
There are at least two different demonstrations planned in lower Manhattan Wednesday, including appearances of Parents Against Police Brutality and protesters who say they are taking a stand against "the criminalization of our communities and militarization of the local enforcement agencies," ABC News reported.
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The actual event has nothing to do with rioting. We just want to burn and steal stuff!
Suspicion of selling loose cigarettes.
Now there's a real crime for you!
The overlords are insane with power.
No doubt. Too bad it is the common man who will pay the price when the rioting starts. Same as it ever was.
By default, oppressor governments have innocent police.
Seriously. The Drug War is a mental illness in this country. Choking a man to death for selling smokes.
I choose liberty.
Liberty
Drug War
Unleash the Kracken!
Barry Eric and Al 0 for 2. Make that 0 for 3
This is how it starts. Just like with the jews.
Wait till gold hit 5000.
The drug war is a farce, the Cig taxes are a farse its not about helping people its about control.
It's no secret that they take their cigarette taxes very seriously in NY and NJ.
If people are going to riot over police brutality, this is one I would have no problems with. Complete and utter lack of restraint. The cops were the aggressors. Bloomberg trained em real good like. Shoot first, ask questions later.
Ban forearms.
If we save just one 300 pound cigarette hawker it will be worth it.
Rage over Ferguson was bullshit but this one...this one IS bullshit. I'm fucking shaking my head here.
How do you get treated like this for selling loose cigarettes on the street yet NOT A SINGLE FUCKING BANKER has gone to jail?
Time to go pull my kids out of school early. They may be out of school for awhile after this verdict.
This one is absolute excessive force.
If the choke hold was illegal, and it was used and a guy died, how is that NOT a crime?
pods
If the cops killed your father like this, is there anything you would not do to revenge him?
This is precisely how most "terrorists" are created. They don't just spring from the womb as children wanting to kill people. Most of them have been directly wronged in horrible ways by people with far more power than them.
400 pound man with asthma that sells illegal cigarettes dies of cardiac arrest.
Ironic.
Is that Moltisanti from Sopranos? Some of these cops look like punk bitch street criminals.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present your Obamacare risk pool.
Sure, the cop killed him, but the extra 200 pounds combined with the asthma certainly helped.
Didnt these dumb cops even watch the WWE disclaimers before the show that says its dangerous to enact these moves on others??? Looks like these cops aint trained the right way. btw, if it takes 6 guys to take down one chronically ill man...thats pretty sad.
and yes, it wasnt just the American cops that took him down, it was the many years of typical American diet that helped the cause.
To be fair and balanced, the grand jury didn't indict Popeye's Louisiana Kitchen, either.
1 Breast
440 calories
27 fat(g)
110 Cholesterol (mg)
1330 Sodium (mg)
http://popeyes.com/menu/nutrition
hey, hey, hey now... Popeyes rocks. Mmmmm.
Know the facts about asthma...
There's a countless number of videos where cops are killing, beating, and harassing people yet the cops are getting more crazed with each passing day. So cameras on every cop will solve this how? It only makes sense if it's a bait and switch. Now that cops have cameras, it won't be necessary (and therefore legal) for private citizens to record them.
Give the cops weed to calm them the f-ck down. This is grotesque that this cop isn't facing at least manslaughter charges.
I'm going to give all potential anarchists the key to the mint.
I have a solution to shutting down the system and starving the fascist US government of taxes and you barely have to break a law.
Get 20 people in 20 cars and in a co-ordinated effort drive these cars to the major arterial choke points of the city. The cars need to be driven abreast and from both directions on the road. Park the cars. Lock the doors. Walk away or maybe take a push bike with you and ride away.
This will bring an entire city to a stand still and will not have hurt or injured anyone. At most you get a parking fine.
When/If you get hauled to court just plead insanity. When the judge says you can't pleas insanity to a parking fine just tell him/her that who in their right mind would park on the Brooklyn bridge.
No bombs, no guns, no bloodshed, no innocent victims, no violent confrontations with the police. Just a very cheap and very effective form of dissent that absolutely no militarized police force can combat.
The race wars are coming along perfectly
How can anyone possibly down arrow the keys to the mint.
hedgeless_horseman:
You are one cold SOB. Your argument is totally off the point.
These cops murdered a human being plain and simple.
Please answer a few basic questions for me. Was he breaking a law?
Did he resist arrest?
If they tasered him and he died? etc etc.
There is a big difference between libertarian, and anarchist. 99% of the folks on this torrent are the later, Im the former. there has to be rule of law. Period.
Rule of natural law, yes.
I don't need yer stinkin man-made laws. Yes, they are stinkin, cuz they stink.
So under your natural law you would be OK if the deceased guy decided to make you his bitch? That's natural law. Because natural law only respects brute force.
You're exactly right. Let's make one thing clear: it's a tragic situation that this guy died and no one would want this outcome. But there's multiple issues here. First, even for bullshit laws, the police have not choice but to enforce the law when they are called to the scene. In this case, local store owners called to complain that Garner was selling single cigs on the corner and wasn't paying taxes on his tobacco sales. The cops approached Garner who was contestable. They asked him to turn around so they could put on handcuffs and he resisted, so they escalated their efforts (which is no small task considering his size). The cop used a standard choke hold in an attempt to get Garner to comply, but given his size and asthma, he fell unconscious. For those who consider that to be excessive, would you suggest that the police adopt a policy of doing nothing and walking away if a suspect resists arrest? Isn't that Obama's foreign policy?
The gripe that everyone has with this situation is about the MORALITY, not LEGALITY. Psychopaths love LEGALITY. They don't 'get' MORALITY.
Political Ponerology
Rule of law is fine if it pertains to everyone equally. Which it sure as fuck doesn't, nd hasn't forquite some time. In fact its been blatant in your face, no laws apply if you're a billionaire for quite a few years, so go rethink your position mr. libertarian. Then get back to us with some sense.
it does. you're wrong.
Man you're eyes are as brown as your turds. Do tell me all about the prosecutions of the biggest thieves in this country to date? I'd humor you with one if there were any, but the fact is there isn't. Are you just saying you're a pig lover or what?
gatorengineer: "Please answer a few basic questions for me. Was he breaking a law?"
And here I thought we had courts and jury of peers to decide such things... I forgot about armchair forum posters! Innocent until proven guilt huh? Hope you never get falsely accused.
NYPD doesn't issue tasers.
The taxes on cigarettes in NYC are WAY too high
Let's not make this about something else
Man up Hedgeless and atleast say you are glad that N1@@#r is dead. If your gonna be a Racist Fuck, own it like a man instead of your snide, snarky bullshit, you fucking coward.
Snide and snarky? Sure.
Racist? How so?
A sophist douche as always HH.
Post some more chimp art.
I am praying that the Lord Jesus blesses Hedgeless Horseman abundantly.
In Jesus' name.
Agree with me in prayer Christians.
(He knows what that means...)
I gave up religion a long time ago, but
AMEN!
+1
Ladies and gentlemen, I present your Obamacare risk pool.
Sure, the cop killed him, but the extra 200 pounds combined with the asthma certainly helped.
Using shit like that to 'justify' the obvious police brutality as aok, cause he had health issues. For once in your life see past the "Worship" of the police state, and realize that sooner than you think 'they' are gonna start killing all Citizens for anything they choose without any punishment, or is that too hard to see when they are killing mainly blacks?
Seriously HH, you missed something in Step 4. You might want to go back and review it with your sponsor if you still speak with him.
Hedgeless Horseshit is not a racist. He's just a disgusting fuck whose girlfriend/wife/daughter has a thing for black dudes.
Hey Horseshit, imagine that black dude was your own kid. Your own father. You piece of shit.
that walking heart attack was big enough to be my dad and my brother....
I spose so, fatass. If the shoe fits wear it. Then go fuck yorself
You are an asshole.
100% grade A asshole.
Fuck you.
+1
Some of us arrived, earlier than others, at the conclusion that the police simply kill because they know they can get away with it. Many here at ZH (and elsewhere in the real world) might be swayed to that view by this most recent "ruling", but the simple fact is that some of us were already there, those of us who began paying attention years ago to the way-too-numerous cases of police killing mundanes and getting away with it. So when I and others decried the killing of Michael Brown, un-saintlike person that he apparently was, it was because we were already wondering what it would take to make it stop. When will enough people see this for what it is?
Some people, on the other hand, will never get there.
I know a former cop who shot and killed a homeless guy. The former cop has anger management issues and he admitted the indictment process after a cop shoots someone is designed so he never faces a jury through double jeopardy. When we are asked to respect the law, the authorities mean that the law says cops have the right to murder people.
They have autopsies for the deceased in these circumstances.
Are there mandatory drug testing for the alleged cop perpetrators that would catch any steroid abuse that might contribute to these not uncommon 'anger issues' in these guys?
Choking someone for extended periods of time usually does the trick by setting off other reactions, from what I can deduce.
The extra 200lbs or asthma has nothing to do with this case.
The Policeman buttocked this one up; and needs to get prosecuted and/or administratively disciplined. Wrongful Death for certain. Manslaughter Variants may be appropriate. IANAL, nor am I with the USDA; but I'd take a good look at the Grand Jury as well...
Last thing we need are Rioters or "Vigilantes", "Going Medieval" - indiscriminately - on our Police Forces. The Police serve the Public Trust; and miscreants should be removed - via Criminal Proceedings if the Law calls for it - whenever they betray that Trust.
That being said, I've several "Cult associated" Police / Law Enforcement Types - working with "neighborhood watch groups" engaged in Foul Play against me here in Los Angeles. Funny part? One group happens to include relatives of a Yeoman who I prosecuted for (Black on Black) Theft years back. He was also a Moneylaundering/Trafficking suspect but hey, all that matters is that since family and friends are in Local Law Enforcement or Govt Service, that makes Perp Innocent and me a Criminal Menace to Society, right?
Crazy Negro Logic? Nature or Nurture? I'm half Black, BTW - the Thief actually complained to my CO's Mast/Courts Martial Prelims that I wouldn't "give him a break". WTF!! Leaving him on the Island (or the Ship, if we were on one) would have gotten him killed.
Since his relatives/buddies kept/continue to stalking/stalk me at the VA Med Ctr in Long Beach (and at 24Hr Fitness in Compton/Carson) and other locations - did he get jailed or nailed down the road? Does this make it a 22 Year Stalking Racket with corrupt Cops and Civil Servants?
Its funny when the FBI(been reporting to them in person, phone, web), CaliBI, USIS/Defense Security Service, Air Force PsyOps, NCIS, Local/Regional Police, and possibly NSA get their fingers in this racket, the result STILL end up being FUBAR'd...
America, what a Failed State!!
HH, you're being a fucking asshole.
"Some of these cops look like punk bitch street criminals." Thats because they are......the only difference is they work for a man that is backed by TPTB...Now shut up and get back in line drone!
Let us know when you choke and die on your hand raised chicken... we can then blame your lifestyle choices. Stop diverting the attention of the sheep, chickenbrains.
Thanks for the reminder of who HH is: the poster who never stops boasting with pictures of his home-grown food - I guess in his mind, everyone who doesn't eat like he does DESERVES to die in a choke hold.
In my experience, posters who go to the trouble of figuring out how to embed pictures in their posts are typically COINTELPRO pukes trying to build up their character's likability, so they can then have a better chance with manipulation in other contexts.
HH certainly is going in EXACTLY the direction the rotten-PIG-lovers want us thinking: it was the vitcim's fault, not the cops!
Actually, it was NYC's fault, the tax policy of NYC.
For excessively taxing cigarettes and creating a black market for people who want to smoke them who can't afford to by a LEGAL PRODUCT. The whole thing started over a fucking tax stamp. And more than likely, the guy died from the cops slamming him down and/or sitting on him.
You can hear him saying "I can't breath", you can't do that with a crushed wind pipe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-xHqf1BVE4
ATF high ranking official goes after illegal cigarettes and gets OWNED by Josh Tolley! 28 mins of liberty loving, eye opening joy!!
http://youtu.be/od9Xb0hZ8d0
Well, everybody knows I ain't no cop lover but I think most people understand they have "their job" to do, as do we. They are paid to enforce law we elect people to make.
To be sure there are some supreme asshole cops, everyone has ran into them. The sadistic, intellectual fools with a badge and gun, with a badass attitude suffering from Little Dick Syndrome, on his third marriage, still trying to impress buddies by staring at them in the mirror at the gym.
There are the normal ones though, that everyone should keep in mind.
Like the trooper who pulled over an equally sadistic (at times) guy with no badge but armed to the teeth, with a badass attitude from the day he's having, one hot August day. Trooper said "Look, before you say anything...(deleted) I know its hot, I'm getting ready to go home and have a beer myself. Are you drinking & driving down I-75?"
I said yes and showed him my Heineken.
He said "Is that all you have?"
No, the rest is right there, agitated & gesturing to the remaining five in the back seat.
He said "Pour it out."...meaning the open one of six.
I did, as probably 200 cars zoomed by as witnesses. He could have been a complete dickhead, written me up a $500 ticket, provoked me by asking to search my vehicle but we both knew what this was and neither of us really wanted to deal with it.
So with the perfunctory "Don't drink and drive on my highway with a beer between your legs that a lonely, pissed off trucker can see and call in..." I was off.
I drank one to him about ten minutes later for not being "the dickhead from Micanopy" and I like to think he drank one to me for allowing him to get home on time.
It works both ways with the non-dickheads ;-)
my fuck the police credentials cannot be questioned. a dozen arrests before i turned 22. accused of assaulting cops twice. had guns pulled on me three times. involved in half dozen foot pursuits....
but as an "adult" now, in my last two interaction with the law, ive been given a couple major breaks. amazing what not acting like a dumbass can do for ya!!
The NYPD is a uniformed army of JPM thugs.
Exactly right. Who are 6these fuckin' idiots on ZH tonight. They are not fuckin' thinkers that is for sure.
black men
should not use tobacco products
mike brown the cigar thief
now this guy selling cigerettes..
Doesn't everyone know that obese blackmen with asthma and a heart condition are to be executed on sight by trusted law enforcement officers performing routine sidewalk clearance operations.--Officer Tony Baloney
It looks like there's a bigass watermelon stuck inside him.
I was filling up with gas in Tulsa one day and a cop car pulled up with a huge white guy just like this. I asked him about his Dodge Charger as I knew the specs on the engines. He did not know anything about it.
In my mind as an ex-military guy I was trying to guess if they had any minimal physical standards whatsoever. In the services you at least have to passa PT test and meet minimum height-weight standards.
BTW, have you noticed the gals are the same size, too?
Well, you know, he wasn't paying his taxes. He was just asking for it at that point. /sarc
So why aren't the sub-Saharan f'wads going crazy over this? THIS was murder. No one can argue self defense. This guy didn't just beat up someone after robbing them. The blacks in this country are f'ing INSANE
Syrin
The withes are NO better.
"This one is absolute excessive force."
That is why our Choker-In-Chief will call for Sanctions against NY and its Elite, and have NATO start bombing any minute now, should the DOD be unfunded to do their Droning runs.
Why does it feel like the Overlords are shaking their heads with incredulity, wondering just WTF they have to do, to get the damn Sheeple out in droves nationwide -- so they can blame the Economy or Stock Crash on them?
Clearly Russia, China, Iran, etc are refusing to take the bait and the blame, and Ebola, ISIS isn't kindling the fire either.
50,000 body cameras on cops would have prevented this!
Pods, the cop should be charged with assault for using the illegal choke hold. Can it be shown beyond reasonable doubt that the choke hold caused the mans death? His struggling and resisting played no part in it? What about his health conditions?
How would you arrest a 400lb man who was not going to come quietly? Shoot him (dead), taser (dead or injured), beat him down with batons (dead or injured), police attack dog?... Bottom line is that the guy could have died however they made the arrest.
effendi:
"the cop should be charged with assault for using the illegal choke hold."
So by your reasoning, if you choke someone to death using a choke hold, you only get an assault charge? Wow!
"His struggling and resisting":
I've watched the video several times and he wasn't fighting the police, he was fighting for his life.
Have you ever been in a fight and had someone put a choke hold on you? You have to experience it to know what it feels like and how painful it is to not be able to breathe.
Ferguson then NYC . One more within a week and the freaking world will explode. The folks must be pleased!
Next and final nail in the casket 3...2...1.....
Maybe the point is, why should there be 5 fucking pigs tackling one guy thats selling some smokes without collecting tax, when at the same time not one fucking pig gives a shit where bloomberg and any one of the big CEO's of any company in NY or anywhere else for that matter hides there money to avoid taxes. You are a disgusting piece of shit with a brain to match for even coming up with reasoning like that. After all when someone comes and beats you to within an inch of your worthless life or better yet ends it for you, who' to say all the damage done wan't becaue you were resisting? Fuck you
The cops shouldn't have been making a damn arrest. For nothing really although they apparently hassled the man endlessly for selling loose cigarettes. Big damn deal. Cops should say piss off to enforcing stupid laws like these. I'd tell them to piss off if it wouldn't get me shot. Nobody wins with this shit. Makes people hate cops and cops hate the people. Only the assholes stealing the tax money win because we are fighting each other instead of stringing them up.
Just wait until the Agenda 21 scam really ramps up. When the greenshirts start their Carbon Patrols, we will learn the true meaning of pathocracy.
"If the many managerial positions are assumed by individuals deprived of sufficient abilities to feel and understand the majority of other people, and who also exhibit deficiencies in technical imagination and practical skills - (faculties indispensable for governing economic and political matters) - this then results in an exceptionally serious crisis in all areas, both within the country in question and with regard to international relations. Within, the situation becomes unbearable even for those citizens who were able to feather their nest into a relatively comfortable modus vivendi. Outside, other societies start to feel the pathological quality of the phenomenon quite distinctly. Such a state of affairs cannot last long. One must then be prepared for ever more rapid changes, and also behave with great circumspection." Political Ponerology, 2nd ed., p. 140)
It is not illegal. It s how the cops are trained. The guy I believe died because of his obesity and subsequent weak heart. One doesn't decide to rumble with cops and not think that they are going to be put down on the ground. e had been arrested 9 times before . He knows the drill.
Jon Fucking Corzine walks free while this guy gets killed in the street like a dog. It's a big club, and this poor bastard wasn't in it.
We murdered some folks for not paying taxes.
600,000 died in the Civil War. In his First Inaugural Address Lincoln stated that he wanted slavery to be protected in perpetuity through a constitutional amendment but he would start the war if the south stopped the Federal government from collecting duties at southern ports. So killing over taxes has been going on for a long time. It's considered to be quite respectable and even compassionate.
Yes, I can't wait for DeBlasio's speech on NYC's excessive taxation, tentatively titled: "Hands up, don't shoot! I can't breath already!"
Should be a real stem winder ;-)
Ohh boy! Do we have many problems here?
Let me highlight some of these issues:
1) I person trying to make a living by being a street vendor without some type of license. This is what happens when there are no jobs or way to earn income. I was born in Brazil. Witnessed these type of state brutality for years.
Anyway, American cities have to designate areas and street for these vendors and not attacking them.
2) The insensibility (too much testosterone) of these cops in not knowing how to handle these ‘close’ confrontations.
3) Unintelligent and insensitive comments (hedgeless_horseman).
4) (some) Hedgers should be delighted by these type of events. Events like these starts revolutions.
The problem is with #4 that it is being shaped, very very carefully, to be a race or at best a tribe war (to steal Barkley's phrase).
All accelerates the breakdown in social cohesion. The USA is very far from being "one big happy family" these days, and there are a number of underclasses that have no qualms in using force (usually lethal) in getting what they want / enforcing their "rights".
So with a divided populace (just the same in Australia - the home of the "I've got Rights, Mate" mindset), just how do you think the Country will fare should Sergei Lavrov's "There will be a war in Europe" prediction become reality?
"An Army marches on its stomach" - from one of the World's best commanders . . . As Napoleon found in the Russian Campaign - the Chain of Command is far, far less critical than the Chain of Supply, and if those providing these supplies are distracted by internecine street-level warfare, things on our C21st "Front Line" might get "interesting", very quickly indeed.
Meanwhile, as the USA tears itself apart over "Political Correctness" and inappropriate levels of militaristic policing, Mr Putin watches, and waits . . . . . .
Australia consumes about 1 million barrels of oil a day.
US consumed 21 million, in 2007. Now, about 19 million a day. US has to import 9 Australias, everyday.
See the scope of the problem, now?
Well, there was I drinking all the MSM Kool-Aid re "The USA Will BE Self Sufficient in Oil Because of The Shale Oil Revolution" :-))
Seems with oil now down around $60 a barrel, that Shale Oil is looking mighty expensive to pump!!
More to the point, it's energy (as you imply), and without energy the USA stops. The recent debacle in Detroit should provide illumination ( ;-) ) in this respect! No-one willing or able to "fix" the problem? Welcome to "cascade effect", AKA cascading failure.
STFU... Brazil has already failed by taking the same stance you are now. Yopu are a tool and have been used by the Alisnky_ites i Brazil But you preer to think of yorself as edumacated .. so you will comment on street violence in NYC.
You have no idea of reality. get outa the sun and into some shade... drink lquids.
Alisnkynites of Brazil? Wrong! I could care less about organizing communities.
Anyway, if you intend to label someone, get to know the person first... It helps.
Yes, Corzine is still free, still rich and still not indicted. He breaks trading laws, bankrupts a company and gets a pass while a guy selling loose cigarettes gets mugged by cops and dies.
This is the fundamental problem with infinite laws to control all of life. We all become lawbreakers and subject to the extreme use of force. We create a virtual autocracy with 100,000 pages of rules including taxes.
I know some like to be muppets and told what to do. My hope is by some miracle you find yourselves to be the next person in a choke hold, with a gun drawn or your door busted down.
Here's a free clue - the banker's ill-gotten gains are what fund NYC. Without them, people who make their living selling loose cigarettes, would not weigh 400 pounds.
Here's another clue: You are one stupid prick. Now what in the fuck difference does it make what the man 's weight was? Best to remove that plank from both your eyes asshole
Because his weight and subsequent bad heart killed him you fuckin idiot. Do you know how to read or comprehend facts...?
If you look deeper into the story you will see that the day he was killed he wasn't selling cigarettes. He had just broken up a fight a minute or so before the cops showed up and killed him for it.
I doubt the victim would self-identify as a libertarian, but his arrest record for over 50+ petty offenses and his refusal to play by the "rules" says otherwise. Basically, the thugs took out one of the statists' problem--a person who was unwilling to play by their rules and put up with their bullshit.
If cold blooded murder by state-sponsered thugs keeps up this is going to get out of control, and the asshats who think they will be able to control the riots are going to be in for a big suprise when the black swans show up and start shitting on their heads.
Chokeholds for wall street investment crook bank bastards as well as the elected ruling poliitcal elite turds who voted and passed to exempt themselves from obamacare and insider trading...
Now there's an idea I think I coud get behind! Free chokeholds for bankers and politicians. Hell you don't even need to sign up, we'll find you
C'mon... comparing this incident to bankers crimes... please .. don't be such a weak thinker. You are a tool for the Alinsky clan. This is how bankers get off from their crimes is to have mnorons like tyou anbd the rest here not recognizing what really happened and why the Media is covering it this way.
Bankers and Fed go free and cntinue to print, Obola imports another 10Milion illegals.... and you are still besnotting the feral thaqt effectively killed his own 400lb ass by violently resisting what should have been a simple arrest.
Wake the fuck up.
Maybe you should wake up fucker. Do tell me why anyone has n right to resist a pig in your face? Fuck you
No fuck you, idiot. Because the perp was bothering shop owners and they called the police to address this situation? get the facts before you fuck with me... you little fuckin moron.
The guy has been arrested 9 times before. he kmnows the dril. he could have gone to the station and probaly been out in the morning. 23 people on the Grand Jury. 14 whites, 9 non whites. They made the decison you stoopid fuckin moron.
Agree 100%, cop here MURDERED the guy.
And this wasn't racism. This is just PURE POLICE BRUTALITY sponsored by our tax dollars (and the money they pirated from innocent civilians via Civil Forefeiture).
Another protest?
So what are the New York Police going to burn down in response to the outrage of a protest in order to stop the protest.
It is an interesting tactic.
Kill someone.
If the people protest it then set fires in the area and blame that on the protesters.
Watch the police light a car on fire in Ferguson...
http://youtu.be/uT0uaZ5Ymeo?t=2m6s
When it comes to cops it IS about colour....
Blue, or not blue.
dup
I have to agree.
This guy was NOT giving the cops a bad time. Maybe not as cooperative as they would have liked. I should have thought tht the cops would have reasoned a bit. Maybe used the "please" word. You know...."please comply"...."Sir I have asked you three times"...."if I have to ask you a fourth than I will have to arrest you"....'please work with me on this."
Weird story. I was driving north from Washington to Philadelphia for a minor medical emergency for my aunt. My cell phone rang when I was near Baltimore. In Maryland you can't drive and talk. I figured it was important. (As it turned out it was some dork trying to sell me a crusie - trip on the Costa Concordia.) I pulled over on the shoulder. Put the flashers on. Took care of the phone. Not one minute passed. I looked in the rearview, and there were FIVE unmarked cars pulled over behind me. I nearly s*&t. I got out slowly. Told them I was fine. Medical emergency for my aunt. They said fine, go ahead.
All I could think was: 1) where the hell aree my tax dollars going to keep that many patrol cars out on the road - like is every sixth car an unmarked cop, 2) glad I didn't make a false move. Really. All it takes is one of those nutards to say something like...'what is that in his pocket'...then somebody elese says.....'doesn't look like a gun'....then somebody else HEARS...'he has got a gun'.....then I am Swiss cheese. BTW. I am a nice conservative white boy driving a 15 yearl old sedan. Who knows, maybe I fit the profile of the terrorist de jour.
Scarred the piss out of me. I DON'T like being afraid. They couldn't have been nicer......no ugly looks....didn't run my license....but GeeZee PeeZee.
I saw a stop today, some kid in a Miata pulled over. One cop standing next to the car with his hand on his holster waiting on backup. This guy stands there the entire time while backup writes the ticket, standing with his hand on his holster. Before they're all done there's another cop pulling in as well, who gets a "we've got this," wave off.
By the end of it the kid is in tears and all shaken up, and the impression I got was that this was an intended consequence of Officer Tough Guy standing at the ready like he was about to clear houses in Fallujah. They even made sure to stand and chuckle at backup's car, make lunch plans and such, before anyone left the scene.
Cops murdering black men in particular seems to be a technology reliant upon the proper vocabulary:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/28/the-bizarre-compulsion-of-black-m...
The cops themselves may consider it an art, of course.
But then, the worst they'll face is a . . . q1uiver with fear now! . . . something marketed under the clearly inspired label of "Grand Jury Investigation":
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/28/the-secret-darkness-of-grand-juries/
You are a fuckin' moron. You with all the theoretical "Please Sir, I have asked you 3 times..". You are a fuckin' idiot. When the cops see you breaking the law... even though one might think that the law is feckin' stupid... like cigarette taxes... the cops are doing their jobs. All the perp had to do was go to the station.
Yo fuckin' know it alls are just tools for the Alinsky clan.
Oh look, a faggot. Are pig dicks tasty faggot?
Your pathetically stupid. Of course you are just projecting your own weird fantasies.... so git ... little man.
And you still a faggot, post away faggotman.
Rioting=problem.
Revolting=solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw
The Revolution WILL put you in the driver's seat.
Good thing the poor bastard didn't haver a large soda or salt shaker on him at the same time.
Oh wait...
Cigarette taxes are about MAKING MONEY!!!
Mother fuckers at the gov are trying their best to block and hinder e-cigarettes, which cost the fucking government BILLIONS in lost revenue, to say nothing of the long-term losses for the medical industry, which obviously WANTS US TO GET CANCER (in retirement, ideally).
TPTB want us fat, stupid, AND addicted, so that even more 'wealth' and control can be in their hands.
I wonder if this psychotic cop will come out as well on TV to tell us how he has NO FUCKING REGRETS!!!
True, and the 90 billion in taxes they bring in. The .gov states there are 42 million smokers so if they smoke 1 pack a day based on the taxes collected in Seattle it would be close.
The only reason this went to jury is because of the video evidence. The guy who shot the video was arrested something like a week later on 'weapons charges' which he claims were fabricated by the police. He went to trial and plead not guilty... guess who the jury sided with?
No surprise the jury sided with the cops on the chokehold, I might too.
http://gothamist.com/2014/08/05/ramsey_orta_eric_garner.php
http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2014/08/despite_his_testimony...
So I guess if there is going to be justice, you have to take it in the street.
I don't know about that. Though you'll definitely get those police budgets fattened up if you try that route!
Here's a great solution: don't set foot in NYC. I haven't done so for years.
Yep.... I won't be having to worry about any riots in my city.... I don't live in the limits of any town now.... no ordinances... no mayors... no councils... no homeowner associations....... no car jackings... no large groups of section 8 housing recipients... no city cops... no light pollution... no noise.... no nosey neighbors...
No... none of that stuff.... on the other hand... we have iced down beer on the weekends... a hammock... usually a grill fired up... a shooting range that starts at the back deck ( If I decide to shoot 500+ yards )
I'll let the civil unrest have it's way.... I'm not needing to worry about any of that at the moment. If it ever spills out here... We know how to deal with that in the country. ( it doesn't include handing out EBT cards and obama phones )
Not only that but it is the police that will actually set fire to your town...with impunity.
http://youtu.be/uT0uaZ5Ymeo?t=2m6s
Damn those cell phones catching the police in illegal acts.
The only thing missing is Nuland milling about the crowd serving cookies.
Assange is still holed up in London (and not looking good, gotta say) and Snowden's gotta be hoping he'll be able to stay under Putin's wing.
That's what TPTB don't understand. Justice for everyone, or just those that can take it for themselves through violence or corruption. One or the other.
There is only so much anger and outrage that can be supressed, and everyone has their limit. The pot isn't boiling yet, but the heat is turning up.
The opening argument in these grand jury hearings is always the same:
"We thank you for taking time in you busy schedule for being here. We know where you live and want each and everyone of you to know we watch over you to make sure of your safety. We all want justice here and make no mistake, we will do what ever it takes to make sure the truth comes out. Now please look at the evidence and make your decision."
Yep.... For cases involving cops... there should be an independant prosecutor from outside brought in.
James_Cole
Thanks for the links... As if this atrocity couldn’t get any worse, the cops escalated it, it looks like.
Anyway, another point that needs to be highlighted is how violent TPTB can turn when under scrutiny.
So, when I read some of the comments here that after the reset things will improve, I know I am not reading a serious person.
I can not believe I am agreeing with you, but I am. Far too many here have NO idea what is coming or what will happen next, and use some hollywood script idea of the 'noble' revolution and the peaceful reset on the other side. Ain't gonna be that way kids, its gonna be a helluva struggle and a LOT of Blood will be spilled in the process, and there is NO way around that at this point, the time for a peaceful change past decades ago.........
Nemo DeNovo
Exactly!
The libertarian’s delusional abstracts will be shredded to pieces
The Green Brigades, with their oil-dependent solutions that are unknowing to them, will be for a rude wakening
The hypocritical Liberals, with the worthless Ivy League diplomas, won’t know what to do with their lives
The elites, with a nation state that has outlived its usefulness, won’t find their Halloween costumes fast enough to run away from the masses outside their gates
The Generation ‘X’ and ‘Y’ will wake up from their videogames distraction totally unprepared
Movies theaters will become a daily ritual player with lines longer than Apple stores
Jaysus, you didnt leave anyone outta this. I gotta agree though about the libertarians and their delusions. Never met one with a brain yet....
usednabused
Making negligible adjustments to an endeavor that is doomed to fail.
Intelligence will be counterproductive at the coming economic, oil, and demographic failure. Intelligence, especially science, will be blamed for as the desperate people moves towards mythicism (religion) for answers.
The Libertarians problem is that they don’t really understand the problems. I call them “sort of the Ivy League mentality (elites) of the Right; i.e. they delude, lie to themselves, with a vocabulary of jargons and charts”. Tainter, in “The Collapses of Complex Societies” highlighted these “Specialists’ breed that avoids facing reality by speaking in coded words.
Libertarians, like the elites, are fascists (we know better. We’re the smart class types). What the Libertarians have to do is wait because they would never rise to power at the current system. So the Libertarians have to wait for a crisis to bring down the current system. And they keep hammering the lower classes to do it for them. But, it won’t happen because the lower classes depend on the system for their survival.
So, the Christian Right will be their vehicle to Fascism in America.
You don't actually know any libertarians, do you? I am sure you don't. You are wrong on most everything and libertarians do not do fascism. It is anathema. National Socialists do fascism in the real world. Socialists do fascism which economically is still state control with crony companies. It is the current model of Russia, China and most Western countries all they would not call themselves that. It is still a form of statism and statism to libertarians is like a cross to vampires.
What is your enlightened preferred form of government?
Hell yes.
Burn New York to the ground and DC.
Peak government. Yeehah!
When government is detrimental to survival people will turn on it.
That hasn't happened to enough people.
Yet.
The gov't plans to turn on the people first, and they have already started.
aint gonna be no Ferguson, Northeast blacks are too domesticated and the NYPD will nip any uncivil behavior in the bud, as they say
FED money allows for the domestication you speak of. When TSHTF, Northeast suburban Libs like yourself will be the 1st to cry uncle.
Do not worry Kaiserhoff. Your police are acting to do just that.
Watch them start a fire in a car in Ferguson...
http://youtu.be/uT0uaZ5Ymeo?t=2m6s
By Pastor Niemoller
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN.
IN FACT, IT NEVER STOPPED
http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/07/wordpress-awjeeznotthisshitagain.jpg
'They' are adding to the mix by trying to incite a race war.
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Its not about what colour or creed or religion you are. We have all been inflitrated.
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It is - us vs them.
Exactly. Why do you think that the NYPD ALREADY has the police body cameras? The fix was in a long time ago. The Alinsky's just needed a couple of violent feral takedsowns by white cops to scream that everybody has to be approached with the same degree of suspicion. Just like security at airports.
Anyoe crying that this was "murder" and it was about $5 in taxes is a fuckin' short sighted moron. Looks like just about all here tonight.
Clowns man, you really need to get off those purple tabs. They fuck up your thinking
The problem is he was'nt paying cigarrete tax. Combined state and local rate is $5.85 per pack.
buy cigs in NYC you are paying 13 bucks +