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DOJ Finds Cleveland Police Use Excessive Force, As NY Judge Orders Release Of Grand Jury Material In Garner Case
Less than a day after New York had its own Ferguson moment when a grand jury decided not to indict the police officer involved in the chocking death of Eric Garner, in a mirror image of events that took place a week earlier in Ferguson, the tide seems to be turning when moments ago a Justice Department probe concluded that the Cleveland Division of Police "has a pattern and practice of using excessive force, both in firing weapons and in using non-deadly techniques."
The findings were announced Thursday in Cleveland by Attorney General Eric Holder , who has been spending an increasing amount of time dealing with issues of police force. On Wednesday night, after a New York City grand jury decided not to indict a police officer in the death of an unarmed man in July, Mr. Holder announced a federal civil-rights probe into the incident.
This follows in the aftermath of another report that trookie Cleveland police officer who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month had been deemed unfit for duty at a previous police department and was in the process of being fired when he resigned from his post, according to records released Wednesday.
As a reminder, Cleveland police have said Officer Timothy Loehmann, 26, shot Tamir as the boy held a toy gun at a recreation center on Nov. 22. Video released last week of the incident shows Loehmann and his partner, Frank Garmback, driving up within feet of Rice, then Loehmann shooting him at close-range seconds later.
As the WSJ reports, Cleveland officials have agreed to an outside monitor to improve their training and practices, officials said.
This isn’t the first time the federal government has identified problems in Cleveland. A decade ago, it struck a similar agreement with local officials to correct what federal officials saw as excessive force problems among Cleveland police.
The announcement comes at a time when Cleveland police are already facing intense criticism over the recent fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy carrying a realistic looking toy gun.
According to the Justice Department, the problems at the Cleveland police department include: excessive force in shootings and blows to the head; excessive or retaliatory use of tasers, chemical spray and fists; excessive force against mentally ill people; the use of risky tactics that make the use of force unavoidable.
And finally, completing today's angry social snapback, also moments ABC reported that a judge on Thursday granted Staten Island District Attorney Dan Donovan's request to allow the release of limited grand jury material in the Eric Garner case Thursday.
The information released does not include any evidence presented, only the following:
- Jurors sat for nine weeks
- Testimony was heard from 50 witnesses
- Those witnesses included 22 civilians and 28 cops, EMTs or doctors
- There were 60 exhibits, including videos, records and photos
- The grand jury was instructed in law regarding physical use of force
So with all this, there is perhaps still some hope that America will step away from the ledge of spiraling into ethnic and social chaos and focus on the underlying factors that have led to class and wealth schism that is manifesting itself increasingly more violently with every passing day.
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See, JUSTUS prevails and it's all fixed. Now back to your regularly scheduled pillaging and raping of the nation by your friendly neighborhood banker overlords.
Stop looking in the shadows! Pay attention to the spotlight in the center ring.
/sarc
Dear ZHers,
Be the change and refrain from using the phrase "excessive force." Pussy words immensely downplay the significance and extent of the immoral violence and murder.
I suggest "murder tactics" as a suitable replacement.
Best,
Skateboarder
Try using "excessive force" on a police officer and see what the grand jury does. There are two systems of justice in the US.
At some point we are going to need to begin protecting our own. Cops can have the "thin blue line" and we can have the "thick black and white line". We outnumber them 1000 to 1. For awhile we believed that video would help stop this. Now, unfortunately, not.
Ever seen video of a herd of water buffalo chasing away a pride of lions?
Ok since we are not Adult enough to see that we DO NO Need "Police", then I purpose the following:
No more Military Veterans as police officers, you are either a soldier or a cop, but NO More Cop Soldiers, two entirely different mentalities, and we need not co-mingle them any longer.
To be a police officer you need to have at-least a Master Degree or better, so we can FINALLY get police with an IQ over 100
If as a police officer you commit ANY Crime while in uniform or otherwise whatever the civilian punishment would be for the same crime it is DOUBLE For you for violation of the Public Trust.
Police must go back to carrying revolvers ONLY!!! and ALWAYS deffer to the most Non-Lethal use of force as their first, second and third option.
All police will wear tamper proof body cams and mics at ALL time, and there should be no less then 3 cameras in every police vehicle constantly recording.
That's a good start for now, I have many, many more ideas to ?#Stop? the police violence once and for all.
I'd prefer ZERO Police, and maybe just a few 'Peace' Officers and a completely armed citizenry, with open and concealed carry for all. As the old saying goes "An armed society is a POLITE society" ~ Nemo
Now lets all sing Kum Bah Yah....
I think a review of the civil service exam is in order.
What doesn't in work in public education sector surely won't work for law enforcement in regards to the education requirement.
This is what the cops should carry.
http://forcesmilitary.blogspot.com/2010/12/tavor-tar-21-ctar-21-and-mtar...
It's civilianized. No grenade launcher.
Ignoring the fact police violence affects Americans regardless of race, organizers of a protest held at the University of Missouri said “only people of color” would be allowed to take part in a “die-in” demonstration.“The ‘die-in’ is meant to represent black bodies that are killed unjustly. It was requested that others stand in a circle holding hands,” student Ebony Francis told The College Fix in a telephone interview.
In other words, only black victims of police violence matter.
White students, however, were needed to shut down classes at the university. Organizers asked students and faculty to leave “classrooms and offices with their hands up and meet us in the Student Center at 12:00pm to move in solidarity and inform this campus and our community that we will not tolerate injustice against black and brown lives.”
Other universities have also demanded students allegedly benefiting from “white privilege” play a secondary role in protests.
In Massachusetts, “White folks” were instructed to keep their hands down during a campus walkout on Monday, according to Campus Reform.
“I understand wanting to show up and support, but white people need to understand that this symbolic act of raising your hands in a position of surrender is meant to illustrate how black people are violently targeted by police because of their race,” a post on theFreequency website states. “If you don’t experience that, you should not mimic the gesture in an attempt at ‘solidarity.’ It is centering yourself in a narrative that you cannot tell because of the protection your white privilege gives you.”
Leftist activists are determined to skew reality and portray police violence as primarily affecting black Americans. In fact, most victims of police violence are white, due to the fact whites outnumber blacks by five-to-one.
The activists, however, insist white deaths are secondary to black deaths, which is a racist argument, and they present a distorted picture by claiming all whites enjoy “white privilege,” a term that harkens back to the Antebellum Period of American history.
“It just seems that the cultural influence by the Left has turned things upside down and turned the society into one of intolerance, political correctness and reverse discrimination,” writes Scott Lazarowitz.
“Affirmative action gives special advantages to some people based on their race, ethnicity, gender, or other superficial characteristics that have nothing to do with their achievement or qualifications, at the expense of discriminating against some other people based on their race, ethnicity, gender, etc. Thus, affirmative action is not only a privilege, but a discrimination-based privilege that goes against the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s philosophy that people ‘will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character,’” Lazarowitz writes.
http://www.infowars.com/racists-exclude-whites-in-ferguson-protest/
How about "Premeditated murder".
KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgDsbjAYXcQ
The sooner they make body cams mandatory for all police the better.
Come to think of it... 24/7 body cams on our politicians might not be a bad idea either...
And maybe require the police to give you a body cam before they begin to talk, chase, wrestle, or shoot you.
You should probably have your own body cam... however that would only provide them with another reason to chase, wrestle and shoot you..
Has anyone thought about the notion that if all cops have body cams, several unintended consequences will result.
1. additional arrests because they can no longer issue simply a warning when your crime is recorded and required to be prosecuted, else the officer has not performed his duties.
2. as a result, less capacity to enforce more important law due to the additional paperwork and administrative tasks associated with minor infractions.
3. additional court preceedings and decrease in capacity to swiftly allow for due process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
1. The additional arrests would likely be their fellow cops that they now usually give a complimentary 'police courtesy' pass to.
(88% reduction in public complaints and 60% reduction in police "Use of force" just about says it all.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/what-happens-when-police-officers-wear-bo...
2. Less paperwork since no time consuming ''write up'' of notes for court will be required. As for less time for solving "Major crimes" like the trillion dollars of financial frauds they are currently solving... well...
3. Good one... now I know you're just joking!... ;)
Thing is, this murder was FILMED from a very good vantage point too. If the cops had cameras on their chest the murderer's camera would show nothing and I'm sure the other cops' cameras would have dead batteries or the like or they'd say "prior to starting recording Mr. Garner said he had an uzi under his shirt and would kill us all."
And yet the killer cop walks free as a jaybird.
Murder filmed, without consequence for crying out loud ! What can top this ?
Unbelievable !
"What can top this ?"
Stay tuned... I'm sure they will come up with something...
What murder are we talking about? I saw a massive lard assed felon resist arrest, and die of cardiac arrest in the ambulance; not at the scene. He could have put his hands behind his back, been cuffed, walked to the car, and still be out there selling smokes today.
Grand Juries are a sick joke . . .
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27807-vince-warren-on-how-police-offi...
Virtually the only time a prosecutor doesn't get an indictment is when he doesn't really want one and makes it fairly clear . . . as common sense will tell you happens when one of the cops he works with day in and day out is the target. Just another cocksucker watching his bros' backs.
He's not free, he's a fucking cop.
He has to wear a uniform, badge, and gun to protect your ass every day.
I'd give him a medal for saving taxpayers the burden of imprisoning, feeding, and health-caring that obese tax evader.
Bullshit! The sooner these negros teach their offspring to not resist arrest, the incidents of police "murdering" disadvantaged, minority youth, will plummet in number!
...and not to play with toy guns? :/
They don't "raise" their young, they throw them. With 70% being raised in single mother households with multiple fathers teaching offspring anything is impossible. Black culture is on a massive decline, fed by the nanny state. It's becoming a cockroach culture.
One has to feel for the black families trying to survive and nuture their children among all the ferral youths and streets rats. It takes more parenting balls than I could ever muster.
The body cam will do nothing. The video plainly shows manslaughter. The problems are with the the laws which make police immune from any prosecution and the prosecutors showing what they want to the grand jury.
It is even worse than that. The man was begging for his life saying he could not breathe. He was overweight and not healthy.
He was selling loose cigarettes. Insane.
Predators body cam powered by 5G to slowly electricute them as is being done to us.
Maybe Cleveland cops use too much force but I'm not taking Holder's word for it.
Excessive force? How many bradleys or M1s have you given them?
Okay. Now it's the white's turn. Go burn down Cleveland...
It's just a new Federal Law. Can't have 3 wins in a row, else the natives will start suspecting something. And with that happy thought the Cleveland PD is proud to announce it's new training partnership with the Myannamar National Police. The MNP will be providing independant oversight and making suggestions to Cleveland's new civilian outreach program.
Limited? Fuck that shit. Release all of the evidence.
Releasing all the evidence could cause people to draw inaccurate conclusions as to what actually happened.
Besides... if exhaustive police testimony is no longer required in court to determine what actually happened the entire 'Justice System' may be at risk of getting 'downsized'. Fewer lawyers, judges, and corrections officers is not GDP friendly...
I suppose we are to accept the lack of transparency as a matter of national security which really means the security of the status quo.
'The grand jury was instructed in law regarding physical use of force'
Duh. LOL
Juries used to judge the actions AND the validity of the law.
Used to.
pods
"Those witnesses included 22 civilians and 28 cops, EMTs or doctors"
How about witnesses that actually saw the incident? I didn't see any EMT's on the scene until he already had the life choked out of him.
"There were 60 exhibits, including videos, records and photos"
Watching Keeping up with the Kardashians, listening to U2, and a coffee table photo book of US National Parks.
you are a stoopid muthafcker.
Arm chair feckin juror asking stoopid loaded questions. Fuck the racist Holder, you sound just like him and Obama before you have heard the facts.
11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.
"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"
2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"
3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.
4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.
5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.
Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."
8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.
9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.
10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.
11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.
clowny, your humanity gene got misplaced..you could never use judgement to see selling cigs or walking in a street do not justify a death sentence by idiots who happen to wear a badge.
dude - you are completly misstating facts and whatever humanity gene is. The facts are that a Black Precinct commander ordered the arrest of this guy due to sho owners callng in. He has been arrested 9 previous times. A Black female Sargeant is in the squad car overseeing the arrest.
You watch the video, takedowns always lok violent, probably cause they are. The perp was out on bail from a previous arrest so that is why he definitely did not want t be arrested this time. When e resited arrest... it is policy to take him down.
He died because he ad a bad heart and he got into a wrestling match that he didn;t have to. It is unfortunate, but the ferals on the steets are unfortunate. The "broken window" policy of the NYPD has worked. A lot less of violent crime. People living in the perps neighborhood deserve protection.
Now tell me about the humanity gene, when innocent people are getting all fucked up from the ferals in the neighborhood. Grand jury of 14 whites, 9 non whites hear evidence for 30 days.
Feckin' arm chair jurors like yourself need to be on the streets for a while. You wil get fucked up.
Please don't bring facts to an emotional rage based on ignorance. You are ruining the party. "The Folks" are trying to celebrate ignorance.
wow. bad acid trip. may your chains weigh lightly.
Wow, nice way to put the murder VICTIM under scrutiny. He struggled a little as they were killing him and has a record of trouble with the pigs, so he must deserve some killin', is that how it works?
How about putting the MURDERER under a little scrutiny? Since we're all looking at character and records and past bad acts and such, let's glance over HIS record shall we:
1) Sued for wrongful arrest:
Pantaleo was also sued over a separate incident from 2012. On February 16, Pantaleo is accused of arresting Rylawn Walker without cause and keeping him locked up for 24 hours. Walker claims Pantaleo manufactured misconduct in order to justify the arrest. You can read the complaint above.The case has yet to be settled.
www.wnyc.org/story/face-broken-windows
2) Sued for strip-searching and groping two men. Cost the city $15,000:
Pantaleo was sued twice in the past for alleged racially motivated misconduct while on the job. Two black men accused him in 2012 of subjecting them to an illegal strip search in broad daylight. Pantaleo purportedly “tapped” each man’s testicles during the search, which he claimed was a bid to discover any contraband, the Daily News reported. The suit was settled last January.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-daniel-pantaleo-nypd-officer-who-killed-eric-...
3) Poster boy for revenue-raising 'law enforcement':
Far from being a rogue cop, the records show Pantaleo embraced the broken windows theory of policing, which has become the hallmark of the 21st century New York Police Department. The strategy is based on the notion that stopping low-level offenses prevents more serious crime. Out of 259 criminal court cases since 2007 where Pantaleo was the arresting officer, most were for misdemeanors such as marijuana possession and trespassing. There were felony charges in 24 cases. Two-thirds of Pantaleo’s cases that made it to court ended with a dismissal or a guilty plea to a disorderly conduct violation — which is a little more serious than a speeding ticket. He is one of the most active cops on Staten Island. “It’s clear that he’s policing by the numbers,” said John Eterno, a former NYPD captain who now runs the graduate criminal justice program at Long Island's Molloy College. Eterno, a critic of the police department’s emphasis on statistics, reviewed the records for WNYC.
www.wnyc.org/story/face-broken-windows
And that's just a quick look at a small part of the record of this violent scum. I guess by your lights, maybe he deserves some killin' too.
This law-enforcement psychopath IS the problem. In turning the light of scrutiny on HIS VICTIM, you are acting as a useful tool of the fascist police state.
I watched that video and I saw criminal assault, battery, and murder, right in front of my eyes. That this guy has been put on a `desk` speaks volumes of why no-one with any brains trusts the filth.
All you have done, mental midget, is take the cop involved and looked at his record. Lookat the facts, whcih purpsefully have not been made public...yet. DeBlasio is playing you like a tool. A well meaning tool, but nonetheless.
You are disturbed by the facts of mthe case. That is your mental problem. If you are here at ZH trying to build up your low self esteem by jumping o bandwagons...that again is your problem.
I am not here to jump on bandwagns. look at the facts. If you want to be distracted from the real crimes of the neo Blshviks on wall St and the WH keep shouting like a misfit.
Otherwise smarten the fuck up.
hahaha
I just gave you a bunch of facts, and rather than discussing them, you`ve gone straight to ad hominum.
With your incisive debating skills and parroting of the word 'facts' with little inclination to discuss those, you seem a prime candidate for 'officer of the law'. (You're sort of coming across as emotionally invested anyway, to the point that I suspect you already are either current or ex-filth...not that it matters.)
See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!
You stoopid fuck. They were not facts relevant to the case at hand. Th sky is blue is a "fact". It's not ad hominem if its true you stopid fuck....hehe.
You are a low life and that will take care of your life... dipshit.
+1000 to Renfield.
Thank you for the rest of the story.
You really thought it was necessary to repeat your entire fucking post from previous? You must get paid by the word. Why don't you run along and try to unfuck yourself.
Now did the DOJ find Cleveland pigs only use excessive force against blacks? Because that is what many upset blacks, the race baiting media and whites who feel guilty for slavery and segregation that they didn't even take part in tell me. No white cops ever abuse white people.
"Well if you look at the cases lroegnum you will see they involve black victims being killed by white cops"...yes because the media clearly pushes the cases of whites being killed by white cops as that has the same impact that the white cop, black victim story does.
Cops are for the most part power hungry cunts and it doesn't matter if you are black, white, green, purple...they'll try and fuck you up if you don't bow down and worship them for the duty they are doing for you. After all, nothing says protect and serve like killing unarmed people, especially when they're homeless people which sadly are incidents that rarely get mentioned.
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"So with all this, there is perhaps still some hope that America will step away from the ledge of spiraling into ethnic and social chaos and focus on the underlying factors that have led to class and wealth schism that is manifesting itself increasingly more violently with every passing day."
Wishful thinking. Wouldn't count on it.
Don't care, Die, die, die you fucking piggies, politicos and plutocrats.
I don't live in the US - but I wonder - what are they going to try and push through next (other than body cams) as a result of all this ? Also - when I saw the video I saw 1 HUGE person surrounded by 5/6 smaller people. Why didn't they just tazer the guy ? Is there a heirachy of take-down techniques ? Ya'll are starting to make smaller 'developing' nations look peaceful.
What they did in NY was nothing short of sickening. I remember watching the cell phone video and he was clearly screaming "I can't breathe!!" There was another cop that told the person taking the video to step back. After they killed the poor guy, that same cop told the guy with the cell phone to step back in order to give the dead guy some air. Simply IN-SANE !
If I were on a jury the deliberations would not last very long. One word: MURDER
please stop with your nonsense. there were 37,000 similar incidents last year and you didn't hear one turning out this way. this guy had a rap sheet a city block long and was in very dire health. he made a BAD choice and it cost him his life. i understand peddling cigarettes is ridiculous to be a crime but it is one. this country has become a whining bunch of babies where everyone is a victim of someone/something else and takes ZERO responsibility for their actions. our veterans of the world wars would be embarrassed of what's become of us today just ask one.
Exactly. The nervous nellies can't stomach street violence or a takedown. Welcome to the ferals' neighborhood. The residets themselves caled for the cops to take this guy away from the front of their store.
11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.
"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"
2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"
3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.
4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.
5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.
Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."
8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.
9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.
10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.
11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.
you are a scumbag and a troll
Fuck you mental midget. Deal with the facts,.
Here's a bigger picture fact: If 6/7/8 cops cannot figure out a way to subdue a single person without killing them, well, there is something dramatically wrong.
Oh yeah and your highly-coveted facts are mostly irrelevant horse shit.
You have no picture. except the one in your head screaming about your low self esteem. Fuck off weirdo.
He died because he was a mass of transfat resisting arrest.
If you think the law being enforced is trivial, then get to work changing it. Otherwise, the police did not make the law, and are bound to enforce it. One way or another that man had to be taken into custody. He could've simply walked his lard arse to a cruiser and taken his medicine; but then, being a serial felon it wasn't going to happen, was it.
Facts ... facts ... emotional paranoid cop haters hate facts. They ruin a good hate.
Actually your list is just BS smoke & mirrors. The real issue is that people are getting fed-up with never getting a fair shake when police (or any other member of TPTB) get away with serious crimes, with nothing more than a wrist slap and an oral reprimand, while everyday citizens get the death penalty (by cop) for misdemeanor crimes.
The grand jury is not a trial; all they have to determine is if there's enough evidence to indict for trial. It's not their job to find anyone guilty/not-guilty of criminal negligence. The prosecutor (police butt-buddy) determines what evidence and witnesses are presented to the grand jury so a prosecutor could "indict a ham sandwich" if they seriously want to get an indictment.
Obviously the prosecutors for both grand juries (Brown and Garner) chose to put on a circus whose primary aim was to protect police from going to trial. People are starting to think that that's fucked up and are rightfully angry about it.
Actually, the facts in the Brown case make it clear that a conviction would be impossible, hence grossly irresponsible to go to trial.
Good points. We'll see what else comes out if/when the GJ details are released.
Once you start getting physical with cops who wish to detain you, you are risking an encounter with Darwinism.
ok let's all wear our colt 45 and start shooting at each other at high noon.
The guy's on the ground screaming I can't breathe 3-4 times ...... they could've stopped strangling him well before he died. I am not defending his actions, his history, his health, his character or anything either.
You sound brave behind a keyboard but cops may stop you on a remote street sometime ........
For what it's worth, I've never had anything but civilized experiences with the police. We were polite to each other, they gave me my ticket(s) and we were on our respective ways.
Cops are under no obligation to keep criminals comfortable.
That's why they call it cardiac ARREST.
And if they found it in Feguson we would have heard it but not a peep and the DOJ was too gutless to tell people that they didn't find anything there.
"So with all this, there is perhaps still some hope that America will step away from the ledge of spiraling into ethnic and social chaos and focus on the underlying factors that have led to class and wealth schism that is manifesting itself increasingly more violently with every passing day."
More hopium? You really think this mess can be fixed?
We step away, but we always step back up.
REALLY, WHO believes what Eric With-Holder's DOJ comes out with ?
Given his dodgy history, the PTB will throw this cop on the altar.
"I thought I told you to bring me the BIG knife."
James Bond v. US cops
James Bond: Bond, James Bond, with license to kill.
US cops: Cops, US cops, with license to kill James Bond.
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Chinese dissents upon arriving in USA for Asylum protection:
Journalist: Now that you all are in US land and there is nothing to fear
Chinese dissents: That is not true. In China, we don't get killed for fighting authorities tooth and nail. We only got jailed. Here, in USA, we fear for our lives from Cops.
They didn't get killed...
They were deliberately wounded through "botched execution", so organs can be harvested at the hospital.
It is not "excessive force," it is treason and murder.
An American, not Us subject.
Notice to all gun and badge thugs:
1) Remember your oaths. The Constitution is the "Law of the Land" and we expect YOU to follow it: "It's the law."
2) Familiarize yourself with the definition and law concerning treason in Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution. I am Witness One.
3) Principle IV of the Nuremberg principles, what the Nazis were judged by, states that "Following orders" is not a valid defense, and neither is "It's the law."
You've been warned.
We, the American people, are watching, and you and your family live amongst us.
Stop with the misrepresentation of facts and the BS. Garner and Brown both took actions that led to their demise. By misrepresnting these facts you obfuscate the real dangers that the neo Bolsheviks have encumbered on the US.
yep old clowny he knows, the criminals were walking on his streets selling his stolen tax cigs-so of course they needed killin.
That is a stupid statement. Do you specialize in that? Read the facts you feckin moron. But you can't .. you are here to support your low self esteem it would seem.
Facts bro... try 'em./
ZH has been overrun with anti-authority loons. They dislike wanton criminal behavior less than they dislike any forms of authority.
Also a lot of enlightened NWO multicultural types.
Please stop bringing facts into a good'ol hate fest. Can't a cop hater have a good rant without fact spoiling the soup.
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If they use that much force for a guy selling cigarettes, just imagine what they will be willing to do to you when the reset begins.
remember Waco tx, 80 little kids burned to death does that answer your question?
"If they use that much force for a guy selling cigarettes, just imagine what they will be willing to do to you when the reset begins"
Remember it clearly. Here was the US Government with all the time in the world.
But they were in a hurry to see their justice done.
David Koresh was screwing little girls. They were shooting at cops. All the time in the world, huh?
billions spent on law enforcement in USA, and we get cops shooting kids with fake plastic toy guns and or walking in the middle of the street, young unarmed mothers with children , and a black market cig seller gets choked to death.. money well spent top notch trained I see. free corzine..
Cigarette smoking is a leading cause of lung cancer, which is a much lengthier and more expensive form of choking to death.
Well, as long as no individual cop ever gets punished, that's the important thing.
There is a certain perspective that runs... these are poor uneducated blacks... all they do is commit crimes... and from a distance there is truth in this. And it is reasonable for people to expect not to be popped by some idiot on the street.
On the other hand, the black race has been subjugated to the police state long before the rest of us, and their lamentations are starting to come home to those of us who thought that it was a problem associated with an illiterate class of brutish individuals.
In fact, when you close in from that distance it turns out that they and we have allot in common... arms, legs... a human heart and soul... a desire to raise our children in a world where we do not feel under constant assualt.
Then too, there is the full court press on to instigate a race war... all sorts of positive fallout from this... that is if you are a member of the true class of low life thugs... need I name them? I thought not.
All things considered I still believe we will get to world war before the rest of this has time to fully ripen. I still think the Middle East will kickstart things... but there are so many places competiting for the honor.
I don't know about the rest of you, but this is starting to irk me...
No similarity with me and mine...I have no ancestors that were slaves or oppressed by ANYBODY...indentured servitude here and their..sure that was the European way..... were American and put are pants on the same way and want to pay NO taxes....so what...so does EVERYBODY on the planet..need a little more in common ...yeah...pretty sure...history backs that up....as far as white racism MOST whites dont run around HATING or LOVING folks...that takes up WAAY to much time and energy....white guilt...lol if you FEEL guilty contribute to the Colored community instead of FRONTING out your own people...you do know your white ...right..
Here is the SCARY part. The video that clearly shows the cop killing the victim is similar to what these new fangled body cams will show. The video (and the other cops pushing the victim to the ground) DID NOT prevent the cop from KILLING the victim or cause him to be punished for what he did! So what good will body cams do?
Jose - The cop did ot kill him, The guy had a heart attack. He weighed 400lbs and he had a bad heart.. unsurprisingly. he ha sbeen arrested 9 times. he knows the drill. Why he fought is probably because he was out on bail from a prior offense,.
Arm chair juror. Read the facts.
Can't believe all thses ZH'ers that jump to crazy conclusions. I thought they weren't captive of the LSM. Guess I was wrong.
Right on.
If you rob a gas station and the station attendent dies from a heart attack during the commission of the crime, you get charged with robbery AND felony murder. The cop killed him.
I guess I watched another video ... didn't see no cop kill nobody. NoWayJose ... it was just a simple resisting arrest incident.
BTW ... when anyone says they can't breath ... they can breath. When you can't breath; you can't speak. The guy was likely already in the early stages of cardiac arrest. Too bad he was so stupid and just had to fight the cops ... Karma baby.
FCUK the Pigs.
Fucking fail if over 40% black people involved in any tribute, any cause any function whatsoever; show me 1 city in the world that prospers with them leading the way.. please name one here---->
There is none but ALL those super duper WHITE friends of blacks would be happy to live in one ...like DETROIT,ATLANTA,OAKLAND.MEMPHIS come on whites put your money where your rightousness is....
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If anybody wants to complain about law enforcement, I suggest they read crime reports in their own community, and get involved.
Stand out on the street corner with your camera phone. Film some crimes happening. Submit the video to law enforcement.
Maybe if citizenry policed themselves, crime would drop and you wouldn't need so many cops.
Maybe if there were not so many laws, there would not be so many lawbreakers, and the cops could be peace officers.
So shocked by the "chocking death".