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Eric Garner Protesters Swarm New York Tunnels, Squares, & Bridges; 100s Heading For 1 Police Plaza - Live Feed
Protesters chanting "Fuck the Police" or "I Can't Breathe" have gathered all across the nation but the epicenter appears to be New York City in a massive show of defiance against the grand jury's decision in the Eric Garner fatal chokehold case. Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges are blocked, various highways and the Holland Tunnel, multiple arrests in Times Square and around Rockefeller Center and now 100s of protesters are heading to New York's 1 Police Plaza as helicopters hover overhead. Latest reports say objects are being thrown from buildings at NYPD officers...
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3-4 helicopters, media and NYPD, over Manhattan for the #ICantBreathe protests. No TFRs like in #Ferguson. pic.twitter.com/kOoLeR2C6U
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) December 5, 2014
DEVELOPING: 28 arrests so far in Manhattan in #EricGarner protests, law enforcement official says http://t.co/oRJCQrOitv
— NBC New York (@NBCNewYork) December 5, 2014
BREAKING PHOTO: Multiple arrests in Times Square as crush of protestors converge #nbc4ny #Garner pic.twitter.com/TMK1LBM5tJ
— Steven Bognar (@Bogs4NY) December 5, 2014
PHOTO: Scanning our chopper feed -- just caught this stunning shot of World Trade Center tonight #nbc4ny pic.twitter.com/R9IkMVT2uQ
— Steven Bognar (@Bogs4NY) December 5, 2014
NYC DOT providing some excellent views of the #ICantBreathe protests. Thousands of people on the Manhattan Bridge. pic.twitter.com/xod5neqHZn
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) December 5, 2014
The scene on the West Side Highway looks intense. Stay safe, #ICantBreathe protesters! pic.twitter.com/vKnHZoQY4D
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) December 5, 2014
NOW: Hundreds of protesters gathering in Foley Sq #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/6n2b9njT5v
— Joe Jackson (@joejackson) December 4, 2014
Crowds growing outside office in #FoleySquare as #NYers gather to call for #justiceforEricGarner pic.twitter.com/inCCfyrgYl
— Sara Valenzuela (@SaritaManhattan) December 4, 2014
Update: State Police arrested 4 people during tonight's protests http://t.co/UqV43NcrXT pic.twitter.com/8SO5SiCsZO
— WBZ Boston News (@cbsboston) December 5, 2014
#FoleySquare totally full of protesters. #ericgarner https://t.co/7K08fpUjLx
— Nicolás Medina Mora (@MedinaMora) December 4, 2014
The Brooklyn Bridge tonight http://t.co/IZfaJEH2Xi #EricGarner #TamirRice #MikeBrown #TreyvonMartin pic.twitter.com/vr3uDWhVOk
— Pedro da Costa (@pdacosta) December 5, 2014
Hello Obama its happening NYC TIMES SQUARE NOW: #ICantBreathe pic.twitter.com/uV2s6dXGcp
— Abu YouheR (@obinoavey) December 5, 2014
#NYC protesters success in shutting down city #ICantBreathe #nypd #brooklynbridge #hollandtunnel pic.twitter.com/oHrPneAqud
— Jeff Pinette (@DPending) December 5, 2014
“@NYCityAlerts: NYPD push back protesters in Times Square. Watch Live: @NBCNewYork http://t.co/ek7OG5M60g pic.twitter.com/aEJtuxxsNc”
— Michael Chin (@RealMichaelChin) December 5, 2014
42nd and 7th. pic.twitter.com/bkMToJ4pp1
— Danielle Tcholakian (@danielleiat) December 5, 2014
Sign of the night #EricGarner pic.twitter.com/EJO8tGzgG4
— Matthew A. Cherry (@MatthewACherry) December 5, 2014
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I can't breathe!
Doesn't that mean I surrender?
His name was Eric Garner.
Fuck da police.
not fans of peter pan.
What - you don't think women should dress up as boys, and men dress up as effeminate pirates??? What country do you live in?
Guys/Gals,
If you are going to troll for the police, you have to carry the banner properly.
http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/1709289-Book-Excerpt-On-...
That is an excerpt from the book "On Killing" by David Grossman. If you want to know what your community is going to look like when things genuinely unplug and go to hell, you should read this book. As I understand it, it is required reading for all the US military academies.
Bitch all you want.
To you sheepdog cops; thank you. To you wolf cops; to hell with you.
Regards,
Cooter
Quite frankly, I've noticed a lot of orkish-types washed into the city recently. Now, understand why you are hearing about protests, specifically, why they are organized now. People die every day, are killed daily. Why now? Air BnB just started advertising some months ago. Now go do your research and connect dots. Do NOT be deceived. There is an ulterior motive to the organization of these protests that goes beyond the average ire and spite. This is another astroturfed, false flagged, double-propaganda fauxment, just like Occupy.
The agenda is to justify extra judicial killings by police. In other words, summary death by cop.
That's always happened. That always happens. I am only warning against your ethics and energy being pulled into a tornado of design, like a firefighter into a smoldering tower.
who needs grand juries when you've got an iphone? who needs an iphone when you've got a gun?
they are all clowns, white guilty,pro black victims, white haters, cop haters,criminal lovers,
hipsters, cop second guessers, barry soetoro supporters, free water people, looters,
arsonists, robbers, cons, and feel good protesters who just like to lay in the street(former plankers).
As a white person of northern european descent, it find it amusing that many of my friends somehow believe that they are exempt from police violence.
Only when they are beaten up over a minor altercation, or have a friend that badly hurt do they start to question their assumptions. Do not think for a moment that extra judicial police killings will be limited to blacks.
Your child could be next:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVOKqYphm0
(black cop kills unarmed white teenager.
There's no police brutality when it's someone else. That other guy getting beaten up and killed is obviously a criminal, the police said so, move along, nothing to see here.
Look! This is the ZH crowd. We should know better:
The murder-of-black-criminals, I mean the incitements-to-riot, will continue until Martial Law is declared. Obviously the last couple haven't been effective enough. The crowds are still way too mellow. Maybe they'll need to ramp it up a notch. How can they hide the up-coming shit-storm if they don't hurry up and create an even bigger shit-storm???
Where are the protesters holding up signs saying, "This manufactured race-hate is a smoke screen for the elite who are looting the whole country / world?" I guess that is a little too wordy for a protest sign. How about a photo of the ciggie seller next to a photo of Corzine or Dimon?
"Pay no attention to the banksters behind the curtain."
Excessive use of force has been going on for ever, for as long as police has been around. The only difference now is that we get to see it on live TV through cell phone cameras and watch what happens.
That simply makes our selves identify with the victim of the abuse. Immediately triggers the question: Can this happen to me? Really, I can't argue with a COP? If I do, he/she can kill me with impunity? Does it mean that I need to treat ALL cops as if they were GOD? At that point you think of that kid you know that is now a COP and you tell yourself, OH MY GOD, this can't be true, this is NOT acceptable. And something breaks inside you.
A camera in every sheeple's hands is going to change the world, what happens can not be easily hidden anymore. All the witnesses and evidence presented to the Grand Jury in NYC can't replace the few seconds of video where we get to see how the BIG black guy, never used violence or physically threatened the COPS in ANY way, thus removing the excuse, of feeling in danger. It was obviusly all a ruse to gain control of him. Rather than difusing the situation and dealing with it in a non-violent manner, they were trained to use as much force as necessary right on the spot. Thus creating a life threatening situation for them and for the Eric Garner. For instance, if Eric had been able to fight back, would have he been justified in killing the cop that was killing him in self defense? I'd like a legal mind to analyze that one? Using hindsight we know that Eric was being killed by the choke-hold. Obviously he wasn't in good enough shape to fight back and defend himself, but if he had been, would he have been justified in using anything he could to save his life?
In a nutshell, my last point is only intended to prove that the use of violence exhibited by the police against Eric is not acceptable in a civilized society, it only leads to more violence in a spiraling circle of destruction.
excellent points
Banksters and their cronies can walk off with millions and leave a path of destruction, politicos can empty the treasury and divert millions wherever they want without question or consequense, but selling cigarettes on the street was enough to issue a police mandate to crack down. How much tax revenue are we talking about? Cigarette taxes wouldn't cover breakfast for a politico or bankster. Besides if they collected penalties on all the theft and misappropriation that goes on there wouldn't be a need for taxes at all. The IRS and the Fed are twin monsters and need to go. There should be one day designated for cigarette boycott.
moved
THE ONE CIGARETTE REVOLUTION
If people *REALLY* want to start a revolution let it be the 'one cigarette revolution.' Everybody protest with a smoke in their hand, then at every hour on the hour everybody sells their 'one cigarette' to the people beside them.
Everbody takes a picture of that one cigarette sale hand exchange - and emails it to the state legislature..
And do it in front of the cops. Follow up with a unified 100% crowd compliant middle finger pointed at any enforcement.
I can't see what is going on at twitter but what is the traffic on #onecigaretterevolution?
No Orks required, ParkAveFlasher. Just the usual DC ass-hat psychopath psy-ops - but you didn't hear it on ZH.
You forgot to qualify that with 'some'. The way you usurp any kind of popular movement or protest is to let it develop legitimacy on its own and then infiltrate it and/or steer the conclusion to your ends. It's all spelled ouot rigth there in the Mossad/IDF anti-terrorist manual they gave to American cops when they were on their ADL-sponsored Nazification training in Israel.
First step in counter-terrorism is always hearts and minds. You don't want to argue with the protester's (terrorist suspect's) logic because you would probably lose. You don't care about the argument at all - you only want to make all the other uninvolved citizens (potential terrorist suspects) hate the protesters and have them look instead to the government to 'solve' the problems caused by the protesters. Learned helplessness and dependence on authority - Psychopathy 101.
All the networks were showing scenes from various cities where groups of 'protesters' were shutting down main roads or freeways during rush hour. One freeway (in Chicago, maybe?) had a line of cop cars holding back the traffic for miles under the lame excuse of safety. The first thing that popped into my mind was "How the FUCK did those cops manage to get in front of all that traffic and block it without setting the whole thing up in advance? You don't just randomly have a line of four or five squad cars along side each other in rush hour traffic to be able to do that. Cops that have no hesitation cracking a few skulls and tear-gassing the shit out of protesters for fun. They do not simply 'stand down' when someone wants to interfere with major infrastructure, yet they did nothing to the 'freeway' protesters allowing traffic to back up for miles? Gosh - what remarkable restraint by the cops... they're fucking HEROS!
Nothing was random or spontaneous - the Stazi wanted those incidents to happen and purposely didn't interfere.
All the MSM shills were crowing about how the protesters wanted to get people to notice so they intentionally created these massive traffic jams. If you ever sat in a traffic jam in a big city, you know that is complete and utter bullshit. Nothing is as infuriating as being trapped like a god damn rat on a freeway EXCEPT finding out that the entire delay was done on purpose. This evokes the response .gov is hoping for: you want to kill the f'king protesters and you despise their cause because of their (supposed) methods.
"Let's piss off a bunch of people that are powerless to do anything about it so they pay attention to our cause!"
Does that make any sense? Of course not. And who will the sheeple expect to solve protest-related 'problems' like this in the future? Why, the government and their paid thug Stazi, of course!
I have little doubt that most of the protesters involved in these traffic jams are sincere about their cause. I'm also pretty sure that the tactic of pissing off tens of thousands of commuters wasn't random and didn't originate from some remarkably stupid protest leaders all having the same bad idea at once.
The DHS Stazi planned and arranged these "Kill the stupid protesters and fuck their cause!" traffic jams. They either used their insider moles to encourage these actions, or just planted the ideas in some low-IQ protest-organizer's minds and facilitated the execution.
Most people just heard about the gatherings on social media, showed up to protest and went with the flow. They're all sitting at home right now wondering how they were duped into such an incredibly stupid idea that pissed off so many people and turned them against their cause.
Once again... [golf clap] Well played, Stazi. Well played.
Cooter,
On Grossman's Sheepdog comparison:
I'm a 1998 Annapolis grad, and we were never compelled to read anything like this.
I have a number of problems with Grossman's piece to which you linked, which has been circulating the Internet for at least 9 years. The problem with it is that some of the sociopathic wolves, upon reading something like this, will sign up for police duty to legitimize their own bad behavior in their own eyes, thereby enabling themselves to bully people with the approval of their own conscience.
I encountered this recently with an Arkansas State Police corporal who wrote me a frivolous "Move Over" law citation when the circumstances did not warrant it. Given his attitude to me, one would have thought he had just caught me knocking over the liquor store, when the infraction (which I do not believe I'm even guilty of) barely rises to the level of a speeding ticket. His attitude was abrasive, condescending, and rude. You could tell he was out to assert his dominance over "his" highway, rather than to actually serve and protect anybody. I guarantee you this man sees himself as a sheepdog. (I pled not guilty yesterday. The court date is next February.)
None of this is to say that there aren't good cops, like the one who shot that thug in Ferguson. But the bully-with-a-badge stereotpye didn't come from nowhere. It would be nice to see the good cops "police their own."
You are an embarrasment to Annapolis. The cop that shot the kid in Ferguson was incompetent. That is the best thing you can say about him. He is also a liar as the evidence proves.
And you're an embarrassment to your 3rd grade English teacher.
Also, the thug in Ferguson was a grown man, not a kid. And the evidence proved his shooting was lawful.
Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Unfortunately the system has proven itself to NOT work this way.
Problem is even the "sheepdog" cops are enforcers for the wolves at the top of the food chain.
Who here is ever glad to see a cop? Not I.
200 West Street.... go get yours!!!
He was resisting and the officers pilled on him. They're supposed to let him go?
I'm a cop but I don't understand how anyone could interpret it differently.
Really?
That sums up the problem pretty well. Thanks.
The truth comes out, on ZH of all places.
So let me get this straight... you're choking a guy and at some point he starts to flail about, I imagine because he is dying, and of course, as a cop, you can't let go, because he's flailing about.
Now I get it, the whole Police State thing, more Americans killed by cops since 911 than soldiers killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the same period. It's all clear
Thanks for the explanation.
black criminality is the problem and nothing else. protest that.
Im with you Frolf, these punks are costing me taxpayer money by slowing your work down and ability to do more things that day. Which means we have to hire more cops to deal with these morons.
If the choke alone is what killed him the cop & city would be at fault.
It wasn't. The man had health problems before he forced the police into tackling him.
A cop could have been killed by that plate glass window just because Garner thought he could fight against them from arresting him.
For one thing, all of these hyped stories of racist killings of minorities are very rare accurances and the "killer" can hardly ever be empericly proven to have broken the law. It's usually the person that was killed that every body admits was breaking the law.
This seems like a problem with logical thinking and seeing things in perspective
im unsure if its true, but this particular policeman has 3 prior marks on his file for excessive force against african americans
but as usual this incident will be used by certain ZH posters to denigrate entire races of people as lawless, violent etc
Even if these few deaths were genocide they would still be extremely rare. Which exposes everyone screeming about them as people who just like to screem about things they see on the screen.
The police, terrorism, and breast cancer are probably not going to kill you. You're going to die from a poor diet, stress, climate change, or maybe a car accident. You're much more likely to be murdered by criminals.
NSA? Or some other agency? The only question is which one.
I would say that the taxpayer pays your salary, but that is no longer true. The bankers pay it with QE. So we know your allegiance. Feel free to disabuse me of these ideas.
"Frolf"... is that you, Krugman?
frolf....member for 1 week 5 days....perfect timing...cunt
As if the time he's been reading your pathetic comments on ZH should add or subtract to the quality of his remarks on this thread.
I find Frolf's comments here to be quite level-headed. He sounds like the handful of family members and friends I know who are or have been police.
"I was bjorn in Duffledorf, and that is why they call me Frolf"
The reality is blacks murder others at 7 times the rate of whites. As long as they act like they are living in the jungle, cops are going to error on the side of their own safety.
There is no way to spin the black murder rate as being caused by racism.
How many people have the U.S. government killed? For freedom, life, liberty and happiness and such.
How many people have the U.S. government killed? Since the WW2 about 30 million and out of the 236 conflicts we have started 201 of them.
You are working for the WOLFPACK! Banksters. The military complex. Is this so difficult to understand, Cop?
You are NOT working for us, the CITIZENS, who PAY you. Is this so difficult to understand, Cop?
You protect THEM againts US. That's why YOU automatically become the ENEMY of freedom. Is this so difficult to understand, Cop?
Why type this out? You think he gives a fuck?
What we have to do in his mind is pay his bloated salary/pension and abide by their laws (just or not).
Frolf your speaking the truth. These tinfoil types don't like hearing the truth. Black people need not worry about the cops. Its the next black man who is going to kill them.
"Even if these few deaths were genocide they would still be extremely rare. Which exposes everyone screeming about them as people who just like to screem about things they see on the screen"
Try telling that to one of his six kids or his wife. As long as it doesn't happen to you, you don't have the intelligence to give a fuck. At least your thinking is consistent with your Government and the continued violence they are perpetrating on the rest of the world. And this just looks like they are just starting to get their overseas agenda warmed up at home.
The inability to put yourself in another shoes is a big part of the problem.
5 fucking cops on one guy who was a threat to no-one even when the cops became threatening to him. Open your eyes and look around at what's going on mate.
"You're much more likely to be murdered by criminals."
It's a worry when a cop needs to use the above fact as some kind of supporting evidence isn't it. Almost like "everyone, listen up - we are here to protect you - and to prove it I can show that the crimals we are protecting you from murder more of you than we do". WTF? What has happened to this world?
"Even if these few deaths were genocide they would still be extremely rare. Which exposes everyone screeming about them as people who just like to screem about things they see on the screen"
Try telling that to one of his six kids or his wife. As long as it doesn't happen to you, you don't have the intelligence to give a fuck. At least your thinking is consistent with your Government and the continued violence they are perpetrating on the rest of the world. And this just looks like they are just starting to get their overseas agenda warmed up at home.
The inability to put yourself in anothers’ shoes is a big part of the problem.
5 fucking cops on one guy who was a threat to no-one even when the cops became threatening to him. Open your eyes and look around at what's going on mate.
After reading some of your idiotic replies IE: Climate Change, I've come to the conclusion you're nothing more than a Born and Bred Dope sheep. And yes I would tell you that to your face, your badge draped on that female chest of yours which I pay for means nothing to me.
Looking at the historical record, governments throughout the ages are responsible for something like 99.999% of all murders.
Therefore, if you are killed by someone, it is overwhelmingky likely to be by a government, and probably your own.
eat shit and die Frolf
Why the fuck are you stupid fucking pigs worried about someone selling loose cigarettes when crimes on a massive scale are being perpetrated on the US tax payer, pension holder and average worker.
You cops are dumb mother fuckers who are pawns for the global elite. You are no better than the soldier who goes off to fight another bankster war. You will do what you are told by your masters until you are frying fucking jews in furnances all because you are following orders.
I cannot fathom what goes on in your collective (uneducated) minds when you are perpetrating the most hideous acts of violence on civilians.
Fuck you pig. Soon there will be snipers picking you guys off, and you know what, up until recently I would have not condoned violence but after watching many, many police brutality videos, bring it. You pigs deserve it.
And if you retort it's only a small fraction of the force that is perpetrating this violence and continually impinging on US citizens constitutional rights, then stand up you mother fucking coward and stop your colleagues behaving like criminals of the absolute worst kind.
Particularly in New York City, where Wall Street is.
The police protection of those criminals during the Occupy protests was extreme.
Time to turn our police sights on who the real criminals are.
Now come on BotA, you know it's not good for you to bottle up your feelings like that.
You have to let it out, tell us what you really think.
Apart from that 100% agree.
ACAB sums it up.
"A cop could have been killed by that plate glass window just because Garner thought he could fight against them from arresting him."
Back in the day, the cop would not have worried about such an unlikely event and would have considered his job as being to protect the public, which he is duty bound to serve and protect. Today, in the police state, the cop's life -- threatened by a phantom threat of a plate glass window -- is paramount. Using Fight Club math: the chance of a cop being killed is .01%. The cost of killing the black guy is zero. The chance of being indicted for killing the black guy is zero. The .01% chance of the cop being killed by the black guy is greater than zero, therefore kill him.
Fuck these pigs. They are nothing more than a private army of the banking elite.
"Private army of the banking elite paid with public funds": Sounds like a workable definition for "police".
mort aux vaches
Why kill cows?
It's the first thing they teach you at the academy.
Beware of plate glass windows. They are a considerable danger to the men in blue.
Rare form tonight LTER. It's always good to hear your voice on ZH.
Your computer reads comments to you? AWESOME!!!!
When the killer is a cop the prosecution rarely wants to prove the cop killed the person.
That's quite a system we got going on..
Hmmm, didn't see any officer in that Garner video attempting CPR. They are negligent by action and by inaction. Garner was in their custody and as such they were responsible for his well being.
Good. The sooner The State goes bankrupt, and collapses under its own inertia of inept mass malignancy, the sooner we can get on with peacful production.
Your argument is not against the protestor. Your argument is against the money that was stolen from you, in order to pay for the police state.
"black criminality is the problem and nothing else. protest that."
I knew that Corzine fucker was black. Probably wears white face makeup, or he did a Michael Jackson surgery. And Jamie and Lloyd and the rest.
Pretty much what I said the other day. Corzine walks free, this guy dies in the street like a dog for selling cigarettes. If ever there was any doubt whether the system works for us or not, this event should set people straight.
George Carlin's big club cracks us over the head every day, and some people are too fucking stupid to realize who's beating them.
To Protect and Serve [Bankers].
History shows that the Praetorian/enforcer class has always existed to protect the existing power structure/status quo. They are and always have been little more than state-sanctioned extortionists/goons, hired muscle for the aristocracy/wealthy.
Government criminality is the problem. The Constitution is the law, and it forbids the drug war ,as it is not an enumerated power. The drug war creates a market for drug distributers that is not protected by the law.
The Feds paying the cops is perhaps the worst crime against the Constitutional establishment of a republic, as it destroys the seperation of powers.
Lawless government creates lawless people.
Lawless cops are oathbreakers and deserve the fate that is here.
So you believe it's OK to kill a man for a minor infraction of the law?
God help us all I guess.
well, only if hes black. duh!
c'mon, he was selling loosies. Thats less taxes, and profit that isnt going to Big Tobacco, leaving them with less lobbying money for congressmen and senators. Clearly he needed to be neutralized with extreme prejudice.
If you tried to move in on the Mafia's turf exactly the same thing would happen.
EXACTLY.
Cigarettes are already around $10 a pack in New York City due to excessive taxation of tobacco products. When someone buys a pack of cigarettes, Big Tobacco gets its money.
This is not about Big Tobacco getting its money, it's about the city of New York receiving its "proper tax revenue." How could they receive their proper tax revenue, when this guy is going around selling cigarettes in an unauthorized way? Now if they made a law that people selling loosies had to kick up to the City, selling loosies may be OK i the future.
is it still "legal" to give away cigarettes, fridges or guppies?
What does the tax code say about this?
Big guy buys a pack of cigs, so he paid taxes already on the content. Now he's selling the product he legally acquiered with a premium.
Why is this illegal?
Squid-puppets... : But where did he get the packs that he divvies up into loosies? There's a good chance the tax had already been paid!
A gang of policemen cannot bring one burly man down without choking him to death? What a pathetic excuse of 'protection and service'.
I logged on just to say bad taste on the trolling. I don't believe you are a cop even though you misspelled piling. More likely you are here to try to incite someone to say something violent. Don't you have something better to do like protecting and serving someone?
BWAHAHAHHHAA!
I knew you'd be back! You couldn't help it could you? Must...go...back...to...Zero...Drudge...
I came back because I missed seeing your icon/the mask that your wife uses to improve your appearance when you get randy. Thanks for the fix.
Oh, and saucier than ever too! Unretracted claws and everything.
Exactly! Look at his comment history - 34 posts all in the last 3 days.
Exactly, who the fuck on ZH, announces in their post, "I'm a cop"?????
Although, doing that, would he stupid like a cop, so maybe he is one?
Frolf!
Cops are awesome
cop>thug
"cop>thug"
No, it's thug=thug
Damn, and there used to be a math requirement here at ZH.
cops are not here to protect you.
they are here to protect those who exploit you from you.
I forgot about that. Used to require a bit of brains to post.
I can't breathe. Say it out loud 11 times. Fuck you, pig.
No, you are right, he was resisting so killing him was the next best option.
Fuck me dude, with a retarded comment like that, no wonder no one can stand the sight of cops anymore.
Frolf: "He was resisting and the officers pilled on him. They're supposed to let him go?
I'm a cop but I don't understand how anyone could interpret it differently."
Sooooooooooooo, at the academy they taught you that the proper procedure to perform an arrest is to choke someone to death? ORLY?
Help me out here....
Oh wait, never mind, I got it.
"Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops"
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
Well, thats their training, so they cant be held accountable as they so often say. Kind of like the guy shooting the 12 year old. They are trained to empty their clip on kids with toy guns, therefore its ok. The first thing I think is the training is fucked up.
Wait until those cops are not indicted..
Go become a cop then and show us all how its done tough guy. Easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Why not put yourself in their shoes. You have NO IDEA what they deal with. Especially in the inner cities.
12 year old with a toy gun.
They are trained that way, so that later they can say, "I was just following orders/procedures/protocols"!
That worked so well at Nuremburg, after all....
You mean there's nothing in the manual that says don't drive within 5 ft of an armed civilian?
If he could claim that he couldn't breathe, he must have been breathing.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to enunciate (that means say) those words.
Are you saying he faked his death? snap!
Ginsengbull: If he could claim that he couldn't breathe, he must have been breathing.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to enunciate (that means say) those words.
Gotcha, so the flip side of that is like when a cop gets shot and radio's in and tells the dispatcher "Officer down, I'm shot and I'm bleeding out"....obviously there''s no rush, 'cause he's only down a few quarts.......tell the other officers to stop by the doughnut shop on the way over, no rush. Honey glazed with chocolate sprinkles please.
Makes perfect sense now, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Bleeding is a lot more communicable than not breathing.
Hold your breath, and try speaking at the same time.
When you give up, and realize that your wrong, make sure you start breathing again.
I don't want to be responsible for you suffocating.
Ginsengbull: Bleeding is a lot more communicable than not breathing. Hold your breath, and try speaking at the same time.
When you give up, and realize that your wrong, make sure you start breathing again.
I don't want to be responsible for you suffocating.
OK, I think I got it, so the problem was a lack of communication on Eric's part? He didn't use proper terminology, (was not enunciating his level of discomfort correctly) I'm guessing if he told officerchokemetodeath "Officer, could you please relax your choke hold slightly I'm having some difficulty breathing" then Officerchokemetodeath would have done so?
Roger that. Gonna have to remember that for future use. Thanx.
He wasn't choked to death.
He had a heart attack to death.
Smoking causes heart disease, lung cancer, emphysema, and may complicate pregnancy.
What next? Are you going to claim that the police got him pregnant?
Ginsengbull: He wasn't choked to death. He had a heart attack to death.
Yea, asphyxiation will stop a heart. The cop choked him to death. He said he couldn't breath.
The coroner ruled it a homicide, no excuses, the cop killed the guy.
The coroner should be retrained.
Ginsengbull: The coroner should be retrained.
Maybe the cops should be retrained. Maybe even tossed in jail to be the play toy of a 400 pound black guy.
Ginsengbull: He wasn't choked to death. He had a heart attack to death.
"A medical examiner ruled his death a homicide, caused by compression of the neck and chest."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-04/ny-prosecutor-doesn-t-seek-rele...
Must be the same academy that taught the Cleveland cops to drive within 5 ft of a potentially derranged and armed civilian.
Who initiated violence that day????
Right, the cops.
They performed a move on the guy that if anyone else did it, would be considered murder. I know you guys are really really having a good time putting on the body armor, and wanting to practice all your call of duty moves in the real world, but you're not soldiers, most are a bunch of clueless idiots that are completly tactically incompetent, but have tasted power and like it. You're supposed to be a goddamn PEACE officer.
Initiating violence against other human beings is not only reprehensible, i.e. wrong, but an extremely dangerous practice. The people have had about enough throat stomping by gestapo boots. Shiny badges don't grant extra rights, no matter how much brainwashing you go through to make yourself think 2+2 is 5.
May I recommend you read "the county sheriff" by Sheriff Mac. It may pull some of the bullshit out of your head, because right now, it's pouring out your fucking ears.
Oh, and don't dare EVER use the bullshit pussy excuse for "officer safety". Soldiers willingly go into a combat zone fully expecting to get shot at. Put your big girl panties on, and stop treating every person as a fucking threat. Officer safety takes a back seat to safety of the public. Sorry bud, but that's how it works. You are also a fucking CIVILIAN.
You are also a fucking CIVILIAN. +1
The choke hold is all the interpretation needed. Violence by the cops is authorized by the courts and tax collectors even to the point of death!! The violence in the streets of NY is now authorized by We the People to stand against illegal choking and murder. Cruel and unusual punishment seems to be acceptable anymore by cops killing folks for such insignificant petty issues.
When cops became law enforcement officers instead of peace officers things changed for the worse. That needs to be corrected. We need more Andy's and its time to get rid of the Barneys.
So if I sell a person at work a cig for $.25, you can choke me to death, get away with the murder and actually have no conscience as to why people think that is fucked up?
Daaaannnnnngggg.......you guys are some cold blooded thugs.
Not really, because you already paid taxes on that loosy when you bought the pack.
Da Man already got his cut.
It's all about the tax revenue.
ZH has some of the best trolls in the world. You...well, you're little league.
Get your game up, son.
So Eric Garner shoplifted his pack of cigarettes? While I know it is about tax revenue, but depending on the laws of his state he is breaking the law if he sells a cigarette to his co-worker. So in New York City, he would be committing a criminal act.
No he probably bought cases in Va for 45/carton and sold them in NYC for 80/carton or 8/pack.
You can make more selling cigs than crack bags.
That is called free enterprise, and is the basis of capitalism and western civilization last time we checked.
14 yr olds arm broken to enforce unlawful search of her phone. We are not making this shit up. The cops are out of control.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/florida-cop-breaks-14-year-old-girls-...
WOWZ Yous Found a Future News Story!!
I believe they will break that girls arm on Saturday. If a race war isnt enough to piss peopl eoff...a war on kids should be.
RIPS
Did anyone ever hear of COOPERATION? Its this thing where you help each other out to come to a common understanding. Why was this girl being a little twat and basically snubbing the officer as if he was her little brother? There is NO respect in our society anymore, and we wonder why things are all fucked up. Look around, WE caused it all. It all starts at home. I would arrest her parents for raising a disrespectful little twat of a daughter.
The story says the girl was on the phone talking to her mother. Also, she's a kid. We used to take that into account, but now we charge children as adults to maximize the revenue extraction, get them into the system forever, and justify official acts of State violence.
And since when has it been a crime to be impolite to the police? It's never been a good idea, of course, but nowadays I hear all kinds of justifications for making Rude To Cops a capital offense, carrying an immediate summary death sentence.
separate issues...
cops arrest idiots all day every day who "resist arrest". What do you want the new rule to be? If a guy resists just walk away? Tazer? Cluber? Guner? What's your solution? Is it JUST the choke hold we're going to focus on?
The fact that this man was accused of a "crime" for something that should not be a "crime" is a separate issue. Because all over America tens of thousands of citations are issued daily for things that should not be "crimes".
Both of these issues have to be addressed separately.
Seein' as how he wasn't hurting anyone, the cops should have just left him the fuck alone in the first place. Since when is selling loose smokes an arrestable offense?
The thing about Garner's death is that the law he broke could have been ignored like the following incident:
Someone broke into my mailbox in an apartment building when I lived in in New York City to steal my mail (they were trying to steal my identity in case you are too dumb to figure it out). They sent two of the cities finest, overweight, lazy individuals who did not want to get out of the car to take a look at my mailbox. They looked annoyed when I pressed the issue. Finally they got out of the car went over to my mailbox, saw it was forced open and asked what had been stolen. I politely responded by saying "I do not know what had been stolen since my mailbox was ripped open and all the mail was missing from the box." The officer then responded that she could not proceed with an investigation. Now breaking into someone eles's mailbox is a Federal Crime and the punishment is harsh for mail fraud. The fact of the matter is this officer chose to ignore my crime to not inconvenience herself. Mail fraud is a hell of a lot more of a crime than selling loosies, so when I get a Neo-Con like you telling me this guy broke the law, resisted arrest and you are basically blaming the victim (by ignoring the fact that the officer used a choke hold that was outlawed by the NYPD), it really pisses me off. Cops are selective about which crimes they will arrest people for and which ones they will not.
They simply could of referd it over to the Postal Investigaters.
The average American commits three felonies a day, on average.
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229
“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” - Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)
I agree. I bought a box of ammo say. Paid some insane high tax when i bought it. Agreed to sell a few to someone is not a crime. neither is smokes. Now, if i did not want attention, i would not sell said ammo in front of gun store. Bottom line, location location location. However, the chokehold by muscle head was over the top. I seen uniforms there while choke hold was being done. Spray him,cuff him and transport him, over with.
Frolf: 1 week and five days, business school, moron
I think I ran into this guy at the business school, moron support group on Tuesday. He also has man boobs. Not Meatloaf sized, but decent.
MSG...LOL
BSMSG!
Frolf is 100% correct. I am really surprised that a lot of ZH'ers here cannot separate street crime, ands Wall St crime. The cops have no love for the wise ass bankers that strut down the sidewalk. You guys are unsyringed without looking or bothering to look at the facts of this case.
You are screaming that te cops murdered the guy which is absiolutely false.
The facts are that the Black Precinct Commander had not only business owners calling him, but DeBlasio himself pushing the crackdown on street cigarrete sales. The Balck Commander sent the squad down to arrest the guy. There was a Black female Sargeant in the squad car supervising the arrest.
So all of your calls about kiling black men etc... is BS in this case. Choose another case if you will, but you are losing all credibility with your nonsense argmenst and rants.
Garner had been arrested 9 times before, and was out on bail for his most recent arrest. That is probably why Garner did not want to go peaceably to the Station as he has 9 pervious times. Once Graner started to push the cops hands away, that was it. The cops are trained to take hm down.
The rest is Garner's own fault. bad heart 400lbs, probably do want to wrestle. "I can't breathe" was not on the "choke hold" which had turned into a head lock while they were on the ground. He was having a heart attack then.
Grand Jury, 30 days, 14 ehites, 9 non whites. Decision not to prosecure.
ZH has denegrated to a bunch of whine babies. WAAAAAAA! The cop did his job, WAAAAAAA! Its hilarious to see the gang mentality of retards complaining in a comment section as if anyone gives a F.
hey, when you return from that acid trip, read up about what actually happened.
two guys were there trying to fight someone and garner broke it up, those two left before the cops showed up, and they did not want to hear that the situation was resolved and the perps gone - they were taking someone in no matter what, they didnt care by hell or high water.
toss in the fact that they never even said they were going to detain him, just in the middle of conversation quietly start surrounding him. they never said you are under arrest, they just executed him.
this BS about the loosies is some ex post facto rationalization for thug behavior by cops.
AND
someone should be bringing a malpractice lawsuit against the prosecutor.
Yeah, the motherfucker had the gall to sell "loose cigarettes" on the street, free from government regulation and intrusion! Can't let that go unpunished! How else can we protect the chilrens 'cept by choking to death such nefarious individuals???
God bless the noble police folk who work tirelessly to line the coffers of our oppressive government.
Fuck you, statist dick cheese.
Sorry for your bad luck. You people think you can get away with murder and you have time and time again. Your time is coming.
If he was a 400 lb guido, they would have asked for a cig and moved on. I hope the Garner family gets a nasty ass lawyer and sues the assholes that took his life. May be after divorce and no money for the rest of their lives, each pig takes their own life.
I dont care what happened, if the only way the police can diffuse the situation is to kill him, something is terribly wrong with the system!
I hope those cops have nightmares forever, I also hope they have children that they have to worry about the same thing happening to them.
I wish no harm to anyone!
At what point was he arrested? The cops never said, "you're under arrest."
Anyway, it's not about race, it's about violence, and that the police can murder people without repercussions.
That's the angle that should be front and center...how can you "resist arrest" if the officers haven't actually said the words, and read the Miranda Rights?
The time is coming when we'll gladly accept the Robot cops from Elysium...at least they won't be afraid of mythic glass windows or plastic toy guns.
DING DING DING
he gets agitated when he notices he's being surrounded, yet with no verbal indication from the cops. it goes from him asking why are you harassing me to them jumping on him.
utter and complete failure of justice that the entire group of those cops still have jobs
Frolf : "I'm a cop"
"He was resisting"
Resisting what, death?
You are also a dick.
Please 'Frolf' allow me to assist you with the English langugage - it is 'piled' not 'pilled' and it is 'occurance' not 'accurance.' You could do a great service to the country by also being as educated as possible by reading the Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, and refreshing youself on the US Constitution if you have ever read it.
Thanks.
Im actually with you Frolf. I don't see what these babies are talking about. Put any one of these whiny baby commenters in the same situation and see how fast they shit their pants. Noone wants to do a cop's job, then wants to bitch about how they do it as if they know all. Quit being whiny babies about LEO use of force. Most don't go around trying to rough negros up like you want to think they do. There is always a reason, but you whinos don't want to hear it or listen to the reasoning or evidence, just condemn the cop. How come the large negro gentleman didn't cooperate with the officer? If he had, I bet he would still be alive.