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The Illusion Of Full Employment And Technology

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Submitted by Lance Roberts of STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Thu, 12/04/2014 - 14:50 | 5517384 Quinvarius
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The Luddites were right!

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 14:54 | 5517401 The9thDoctor
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Most people advocate full employment, I advocate full UNemployment!

The Abolition of Work by Bob Black

http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:03 | 5517437 Publicus
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The post Jobs society does not require anyone to work, while every get's basic income!

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:15 | 5517480 KnuckleDragger-X
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To get a job nowadays either requires a skill or the ability to learn a skill. I know to many college grads who lack the reading or math skills needed but they do know how to protest whatever inequality is on the cool list this month.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:21 | 5517509 Pool Shark
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POTUS has nothing to worry about; they'll never invent a robot that does absolutely nothing.

Though, he could possibly be replaced by a teleprompter...

 

 

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:34 | 5517576 KnuckleDragger-X
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A dildo with a grinder wheel so at least the wookie is happy.....

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:35 | 5517577 KnuckleDragger-X
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dupe city

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 14:52 | 5517395 cowdiddly
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And, if you are willing to buy a hamburger cooked and served from a kiosk, you deserve to eat a shit sandwiich

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:08 | 5517457 Jumbotron
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And, if you are willing to buy a hamburger cooked and served from a kiosk, you deserve to eat a shit sandwiich

Ahem....you are going to get a MUCH better burger from a robot, quicker, made to order and with ZERO chance of spit or snot, or shit being rubbed into it by some disgruntled teenager.

The robot will run 24/7.  It will not be late to work.  It will not ask for a raise or an increase in Minimum Wage.  It will not join a union.  It will not sport tattoos and a bad attitude. 

What Redbox did to Blockbuster is coming to a burger flipping job near you !!

Learn C, C++, Python and JAVA coding.  Learn mechanical engineering.  Your robot overlords will need servicing.  This is the new job opportunity of the future. 

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:16 | 5517483 Againstthelie
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The amount of people that are going to be replaced can never find work in servicing robots. Otherwise it would not increase productivity. 1+1=?

We are just reaching the end of the compound interest ponzi and capitalist regime, which ultimately destroys itself, because it is built on exponential growth. Like cancer. Which destroys the host.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 16:15 | 5517806 malek
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Try to not sprout complete self-contradicting nonsense:

Every successful automation, i.e. more effectiveness, allows for more growth with the same limited resources.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 16:45 | 5517920 RaceToTheBottom
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Steven Hawking is correct:

Technology Evolution is much faster than Human Evolution.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 17:58 | 5518168 LawsofPhysics
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Only as long as there are calories available for consumption.  Please, technology fails all the time asshat.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 22:42 | 5518952 malek
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Rrright, that we exchanging us here is a clear sign of those continous technology failures.

Now please explain to us how it is possible that suddenly no calories available for consumption anymore.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 19:20 | 5518400 Againstthelie
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The resources used per capita are twice as much as 20 years ago.

Who should buy the ever more products? Isn't chicken filet for snacking not already sick enough for you? Want a third or fourth TV so that your children fall asleep with the brainwashing machine? How deranged are you, that you want to continue on that path?

 

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 22:43 | 5518961 malek
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Keep continuing to mix up choice consumption with successful automation, and you can come to any conclusion that suits you!

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:28 | 5517539 lasvegaspersona
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But you cannot sexually harrass a robot (OK a few kinky Japanese might but...) so there is always the need for hot young female employees.....thins is a joke, I do not actually harrass or encourage or condone it...baby...

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 17:17 | 5518059 Jumbotron
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"But you cannot sexually harrass a robot (OK a few kinky Japanese might but...) so there is always the need for hot young female employees.....thins is a joke, I do not actually harrass or encourage or condone it...baby..."

 

AHEM !!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2507186/Would-sex-ROBOT-J...

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20120420/331152_sex-robots-video-rox...

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 16:46 | 5517883 cowdiddly
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No, Its you that thinks he will get a bigger better burger or needs a future job. I raise the Damn beef ( I guess the cowdiddly name was'nt obvious enough for you) and I want a real person cooking mine. Beef I raise, have butchered and cook myself or someone I know. Enjoy your  Corporate burger  complete with pink slime and sawdust filler.

And remember to be patient when that Jack-in-the Box clown malfuntions and  keeps asking you repeatedly if you would like a hot apple pie to go with your clown burger.

Fri, 12/05/2014 - 02:38 | 5519566 Leraconteur
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You types just don't get it, you can't.

That robot is doing the work of, let us guess, 5 workers.

That robot requires ONE WORKER to visit and maintain ONCE A WEEK.

That coding technician and Engineere is loading hamburger patties on his service calls.

He visits 6 robots a day, 6 days a week.

36 robots, one job.

Formerly 180 jobs.

Figured out the problem yet? 

Go watch Hunger Games - Capital City is our future. 1,000,000 will have great awesome creative jobs that pay the 2014 equiv of 250kUSD a year and everyone else is working a coal mine with their bare hands.

SFO and Palo Alto are a preview.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 14:59 | 5517423 i_call_you_my_base
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Yes, the economy is so resilient that it required $5 trillion to prop it up from the fed, massive monetary easing globally, a debt to GDP ratio of over 100%, and constant jawboning and intervention. Resiliency defined.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:00 | 5517426 sodbuster
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>The next time you go out take a moment to realize the impact of technology on everything you do. Also, notice how many individuals have the faces stuck into their phones being truly unproductive.<

This is BS, and just as soon as I get off the phone...........

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:46 | 5517656 PirateOfBaltimore
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People can't pay attention long enough to be aware of their surroundings in a crowd. 

 

Walking through Union Station, DC everyday makes me want to die.  So many oblivious fucks everywhere.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:02 | 5517432 Dr. Engali
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The only reason we have had "the longest run of job creation in history" is because moar people are working part time jobs to survive. Sure technology plays a role, but don't leave out the impact of bad policy decisions forced upon the nation like Zerocare.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:19 | 5517499 KnuckleDragger-X
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Yeah, my niece is working two part time jobs plus go to school in the evenings but she is at least trying her best. Most of her friends just whine about how unfair it all is.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:38 | 5517593 Againstthelie
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Your niece must be a happy woman to be such a productive slave. Americans really have deserved this wonderful system.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 16:54 | 5517961 KnuckleDragger-X
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I assume that must mean your a member of the grasshopper class who plans never to get ahead or achieve. My niece is paying her own way and when she's done and she'll be an RN making a good starting wage with raises guaranteed and no debt.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 17:56 | 5518164 InflammatoryResponse
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LOL,

 

She'd better not hold her breath.  My wife gave a lecture last year(as she does every year on the same topic)  and she learned that ONE...   ONE  nursing grad had  a job at that point lined up.  and she was going to work in DAddy's practice.

 

the rest of the class?  NOTHING.

 

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:06 | 5517448 no more banksters
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“In the short term, there are concerns that clever machines capable of undertaking tasks done by humans until now will swiftly destroy millions of jobs. In the longer term, the technology entrepreneur Elon Musk has warned that AI is 'our biggest existential threat'.”

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/12/s-hawking-development-of-full...

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:22 | 5517512 Quinvarius
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Yes.  We all know "Age of Ultron" is coming out and no one hip can resist commentary on the subject.  It is the same for Bill Cosby who and female watchers of the movie "Gone Girl". 

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:46 | 5517659 PirateOfBaltimore
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Let me know when we get flying cars (still 20 years out? just like 50 years ago?) and then I'll worry about AI.

Fri, 12/05/2014 - 02:30 | 5519558 Central Ohio
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Yes, I remember reading about them in grade school in the 60s.  It was my favorite book.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 18:14 | 5518213 NihilistZero
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1. Everyone who shits on food servers for wanting a living wage while acknowledging the FEDs damage of the last century is a fucking hypocrite. Those workers could have a living wage AND be more cost effective if we still had sound money.

2. Everyone who thinks people are to apathetic or to stupid to overthrow the oligarchy are wrong. Yes the sheep's are easily led. All it takes is a couple of charismatic leaders to get them to understand why things are shut. You think everyone who participated in the American or French Revolutions was a scholar. Of course they weren't. But it only took a few scholars to lead them to victory.

The ruling class ought to consider removing the boot from the throat of the proles. They might regret over reaching.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:06 | 5517449 Bill of Rights
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New Signs Gold and Silver Are Returning as Monetary Assets

https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2014/12/03/new-signs-gold-and-silver-ar...

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:09 | 5517456 Againstthelie
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The increasing use of technology to replace human capital is a trend that will not reverse anytime soon and will continue to proliferate areas where unskilled, repetitive labor can be automated.

It only has started. Autonomous robots for example will make almost the whole employment in the transportation sector obsolete.

This is the risk that fast food workers take by lobbying for higher wages

No. The the REAL problem is hidden by this article:

All the productivity gains cannot be earned by mankind, because of compound interest. Compound interest is the force behind exponential growth. Therefore although today a car manufacturing worker has double the productivity of one of the 1970s, because of automation, he is earning not twice as much, or only working half the time, but he is producing twice as many cars. And this is practized in every segment.

Compound interest destroys the society, the people and ultimately the planet.

There is no exponential growth in nature - except cancer. And that ends with the exitus of the host.

 

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:20 | 5517502 Usurious
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BINGO..........

end DEBT-MONEY

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:29 | 5517551 Againstthelie
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Very true!

But money as debt is only one component: an economy fully backed by gold can be built on compound interest: you just have to lend out the gold against interest.

Money as debt and (compound) interest is the core of the problem.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:45 | 5517651 lasvegaspersona
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No and NO

the problem is the monetary system itself. When the medium of exchange is saved and lent (2 sides of the same coin) it destroys the value of the currency. 

The solution is emerging. We call it freegold but most will just refer to it as 'our current system after the old one failed.'

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2014/12/global-stagnation.html

...read that a few dozen books and put a few thousand hours into understanding our current system and you'll be al caught up.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:11 | 5517461 Alberich
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Money printing has grossly misallocated capital; Byzantine regulations make it nearly impossible to start businesses or hire workers; the dying middle class is enserfed by superfeudal levels of taxation -- yet structural unemployment is *technology's* fault.

Go ahead, blame it on the robots. You got to blame it on something. Cause the robots don't mind, and the robots don't care...

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:23 | 5517513 ebworthen
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Agreed.  Parasitic corporations couldn't possibly have anything to do with it - or the population being trained like lab rats to scan and bag their own purchases at zero discount and to have fewer interactions so we don't talk about how bad things suck.

Fri, 12/05/2014 - 06:36 | 5519742 Fedaykinx
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this is exactly correct.  everything that i want to do as an aspiring entrepreneur is either illegal or prohibitively expensive.  and it's not by accident.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:10 | 5517470 THE DORK OF CORK
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A complete misreading of the situation.

People waste their time on the internet because they do not have the local purchasing power to live.

When the breakdown occurs you will find a dumb Mick clearing rocks from a field will be more productive then a gee wiz kid depending on a very long supply chain.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:21 | 5517504 TrumpXVI
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Yup.

 

"Continued increases in technology will continue to suppress the need for labor and the competition for available jobs will depress wages."

 

Not likely....at least not the, "continuing increases in technology part".

The need for labor will increase dramatically....but at slave "wages."  As slavery will be the only way to meet future energy needs.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:16 | 5517478 A Lunatic
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Why not have your smart T.V. place an order for you based on number of people sitting on your couch, food related conversations averaged out over the last hour, room temp, a short cross communication with the smart fridge, etc and have it delivered via drone. Nobody will even have to look up from their ishit or have a conversation......

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:22 | 5517508 CoastalCowboy
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How much does one tip a kiosk at the restaurant?

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 18:19 | 5518238 MeelionDollerBogus
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.0025 bitcoin to the ID for fonestar

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:23 | 5517519 foodstampbarry
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We obsoleted some folks

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:23 | 5517522 THE DORK OF CORK
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Distributionists are also skeptical of full employment but for very different reasons.

The above talks of digital solutions crap

But a person living a atomic / electronic existence requires home delivery of products.

This is a extremely energy intensive method of distribution which means the energy is destroyed before it can be used.

This only favours those who benefit from the current concentration camp known as capitalism.

Capitalism is concentration.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:35 | 5517575 robnume
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Hell, yes, A Lunatic! I suppose you've read about the guy who's divorcing his wife because he caught her cheating via their smart tv in the bedroom. No matter that this guy was cheating all the time on her; guess she wasn't "smart" enough to turn that technology on her dirtbag spouse first. Abolish the Feral Reserve System and lynch all of the banksters! I know plenty of people over 50 who have 3 and 4 jobs to make ends meet. Gotta love this economic "recovery," huh?

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:36 | 5517582 THE DORK OF CORK
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The only sound industrial policy is a national dividend ( not a national income)

That at least makes a attempt at replacing the capital destroyed achieving industrial nirvana.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:36 | 5517591 freedogger
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There will be a tipping point that is reached when all of a sudden a robot can do pretty much any physical and mental grunt work that a person can do. If one robot learns or is taught how to do one small task, instantly all other robots will know it through their shared brain in the cloud.

I think people will be surprised at how fast this happens. How soon it happens is tough to say but some are saying it will start within a few years.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 17:31 | 5518092 MeelionDollerBogus
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You can't just teach a robot. You have to manufacture entirely new parts & designs to handle new tasks in the physical world.

So far no one has automatically re-engineering robots that learn, re-build their own programming & bodies, then go error-free to a new task.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5517618 Bobportlandor
Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:48 | 5517670 THE DORK OF CORK
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A social creditor would ask why the Facebook roboten lack the purchasing to interact with their local community.

Total consumption represents the costs of distribution.

If consumption declines it is a result of something wrong with the distribution mechanism.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 15:59 | 5517726 romanko
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"This means that the real winners of the future will not be the providers of cheap labor or the owners of ordinary capital, both of whom will be increasingly squeezed by automation. Fortune will instead favor a third group: those who can innovate and create new products, services, and business models."

 

... UNTIL your innovative idea is copied by some sweatshop in China that also has the first two bases covered.

So, westeners will sit on rocks, chins perched on their fists, come up with brilliant innovations for a fleating bit of cashflow only to see those ideas instantly flow eastwards (along with Gold). YAY for the new normal!

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 16:01 | 5517741 THE DORK OF CORK
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We can see these dynamics quite clearly if we look at typical med countries with great agricultural bounties such as France and Italy.

At one time wine consumption was 3 4 or sometimes 5 times present levels.........

What happened ?

Extraction using 3 mechanisms.

Increased taxes , inflation and abuse by natural monopolies.

In the modern economy purchasing power is destroyed before it can be used.

The destruction is done by capital goods , typically cars.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 16:46 | 5517924 froze25
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Good old greed can be found at the foundation of the economy's problems.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 17:31 | 5518089 MeelionDollerBogus
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Can't really agree here

I wouldn't trust a machine to put together a sandwich or burger for me as I order it, only a person.

I also see a lot of "exported jobs" not to machines but to cheaper slaves & part of that is FOREX manipulation. The real cost doesn't go down, only the fiat cost.

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 18:00 | 5518182 fibonacci's claus
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get rid of your computers and smart phones! disconnect from the matix before its too late.

embrace the religion of low tech!

Thu, 12/04/2014 - 20:17 | 5518543 Peanut Butter E...
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Do the one and only thing you can do, stop making babies so that labor force will be reduce to help drive up wages!

Needless to say this will require everyone's full cooporation or else just one too many douche bag breeder will ruin our plan for wage recovery.

Fri, 12/05/2014 - 00:44 | 5519350 Bemused Observer
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No, wages probably aren't going up. But don't worry about it, soon everything else will tank, and balance WILL be restored...
Sorry about those corporate profits, but shit happens.

Fri, 12/05/2014 - 02:29 | 5519553 Leraconteur
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The increasing use of technology to replace human capital is a trend that will not reverse anytime soon and will continue to proliferate areas where unskilled, repetitive labor can be automated. 

 

 

What those who make such and similar statements overlook, is that ALL HUMANS ARE UNSKILLED LABOUR in comparison.

Lately across multiple websites, languages, nations and cultures have begun to see this on web pages:

"Stories were selected by machine..."

Bloggers, The Tylers, writers, coders, web page designers - all jobs that people think are SKILLED, won't be.

This is just the beginning of massive, global out-sourcing to machines, and humans won't have anything to do. Kids with degrees living in mom's den on their smartphone all day is just the beginning. They won't ever have a productive job, and once mom dies and the assets are gone, they won't have a standard of living to hold on to. 

Fri, 12/05/2014 - 03:12 | 5519594 talisman
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anxiously waiting for a robot that rehabs old houses

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