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Ordinance reminds me of the ordinance against large soft drinks. And whatever happened to the Interstate Commerce Clause? How can New York tax a Virginia product?
The notion that when you tax something to death, a black market develops, is beyond anyone in politics. Watch it happen in health care and pharmaceuticals because the above-ground costs are becoming prohibitive to many.
True I'd have my appendix out at the butcher if he could do a good job cheaply. That and I could probably have him wrap it up when he's done for barbecue.
Americans are already buying lots prescription pills in Canada and Mexico and bringing them across the border. It's actually a big issue with ICE. I'm not talking thugs either, I'm talking grandma and grandpa because the drugs are $100 in the states and $20 in Canada.
Meanwhile, the fuckers uptown are all busy smoking Cubanos. How much tax do you think gets paid on those?
I'm guessing zero, since they are here illegally? Yeah, this whole milataristic fascist police force thing is just not going to end well. For anyone.
That is the trick. Loosies are taxed, but not "retail" taxed. Too bad timmay is not still head of the federal taxation police. He would have probably pulled rank over the local P.D. and have let him live.
They are embargoed, yes the answer is zero and yes that is what they all smoke. It's pretty simple how they get them. They are smuggled in by colleagues on trips to London and Hong Kong.
So, NYPD isn't busting into the tony coke-and-hookers nightclubs where Wall Streeters smoke Cuban cigars, and putting chokeholds on Wall Streeters? WHY NOT, Mayor DeBlasio?
Thank you, Bill.
And thanks for the Woody Guthrie quote.
Alex C
It's just a takedown.
One of hundreds.
I've lost track of the things that can't happen here, that happen every day.
Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, song, "It Can't Happen Here".
I initially had no intention of double posting on this subject. But then I did a little reading on the street culture of "selling loosies" which the NYPD thinks is such a threat to the community and I went back and watched the video several times.
It really is very upsetting. Loosies or no loosies, this man did not deserve this.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are hollow words indeed.
Who would have thought that selling loosies would be more dangarous than actually smoking them?
To me it looks like manslaughter. Bare minimum. And couldn´t comprehend what set that off or why it wasn´t treated as such. Until I heard the "economic incentive" behind cracking down on that poor man.
That makes sense...choking someone to death due to the fact that the state is loosing a few cents in unpaid taxes.
I don´t know about you Bill - but I am quite happy I took the decision to relocate and I will not be going back anytime soon - for sure not until things have changed.
It was that creeping feeling that I couldn´t shake that something was not right. I fear worse is to come.
There are lots of sheeple off this web site who have no idea.
They think everything is just hunky dory, give or take a few dead African American men.
They are incapable of connecting all the dots. They can't even see most of them. Everything is two dimensional. Flatlanders...
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/paul-lagarde/dod-transferred-over-43b-military-equipment-local-police This is the problem.
And yet, I'f the guy had just followed the police's instructions he'd be alive. I know it's popular and fun to blame the police for every one of these incidents, but... what if we spent a moment or two to consider the sky high crime rates in the communities where these incidents occurr. It's easier to call someone a racist and blame someone else for one's problems, that to look in the mirror and honestly put blame at the core issues in oneself and oneself's community.
Junk away.
So, the penalty for not promptly obeying an official thug, is death?
George Washington was a criminal too. So were John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Andrew Jackson. Everyone in the Revolutionary Army was a criminal. (Jackson, of course, was not old enough to be in the Army, but he nevertheless got arrested and slashed on the face by a British officer with his sword. He never forgot.)
Screw that. They guy had been busted 31 times for things wher there IS NO VICTIM! We are passed the point where we need to tell the cops, and the masters whose bidding they do, to fuck, off. The idea that we need to comply with every order from every cop who is enforcing any stupid law is ridiculous. What about personal liberty?
Should the Feds end up throwing him in a Prison, I "think" that "soon to be an ex-NYPD Patrolman" may end up in a Chokehold himself.
this man did not deserve this.
Amen to that. Guilty of being fat and black I guess......... Kind of disturbing the policeman, nor department, seems to have any regrets or remorse about this that I've heard of.
Exactly. The whole country lost respect for life in one way or another decades ago. Many angry white boomers figure, what the fuck who cares about another worthless fat nigger? Nevermind he is a human being and child of God. Sad.
The boomers were the ones who figured out, when the USA invaded Vietnam, that the USA's rulers were global bullies. The boomers were the ones who marched in the South for black people and who marched to protest the Vietnam War. The people blaming one generation may be the same people blaming one race or one sex; I think their game is the age-old one: "divide and conquer".
I am a boomer, and I do not object to the accusation that our generation sold out.
However, I do object to the idea that all of the blame falls on boomers. There is plenty of blame to go around.
And I also object to the idea of collective guilt.
You're on the "cusp" Billy.
Anyone that defines an idividual by age must work for an insurance company, or have political affiliations.(sp)
OBJECTIVE vs SUBJECTIVE
I read that 75% of people have "objective personalities ", meaning that they feel comfortable doing what the system they happen to be living in requires them to do in order to survive and prosper. The other 25% have "subjective personalities", meaning that they feel comfortable doing what they believe they need to do. Sort of like, 75% are "outer driven" and 25% are "inner driven". "Objective" people naturally tend to gravitate toward, and are best at, sales, management, government, etc., because that's where the chances are best for surviving and prospering. 25% naturally tend to gravitate to, and are best at design, art, music, sciences, medicine, etc.
(For example, I read that someone asked Bob Dylan, not too long ago, why he still toured, because touring is tough, and he's getting old, and wouldn't he be happier taking it easier. He answered "the point is not to be happy; the point is to do what you were put here to do". That's subjective personality.)
So, 75% subjective and 25% objective, and that is just the way humans are made. It's in our genes. It doesn't change from generation to generation. So, probably, every generation "sells out", in that 75%, including most of those with power (since salesmen, managers, and governors have power), do what it takes for them to personally survive and prosper.
And since surviving is a right-now problem and prospering is a one-lifespan problem, the sum of all these actions is that human societies tend to get short term results (for the more successful individuals) but not to protect, over the long term, things like civil rights or the common resources.
Planet Earth is the sum of the common resources. I suppose the sum result, sooner or later, is either the destruction of human life on the planet, or the destruction of most life on the planet, or the destruction of all life on the planet. What I hope is that humans find a scientific way to change themselves, and decide to make that change.
So we are what we are, and I am what I am. Sometimes I feel guilty about it, but that's the material I have to work with.
No, sorry. The same people that protested the "establishment" back then are the ones who are forcing .gov down everyone's throats now. They have completely forgotten what they stood for in their youth.
Thank you for your comment, and if you get time, please see my post below.
I can't speak for my entire generation, but, personally, I am a boomer, and I haven't forgotten.
Hey Tarsubil, I'm a boomer and I don't think that at all. I doubt the vast majority of boomers think that way. Mr. Garner, who's had 10 prior arrests, who was harrassing the street's customers (per complaint from the minority shopkeepers who called for the police to respond) was clearly, not cooperating with the police. The officer in charge at the scene was a black police sargeant who had the authority to handle the situation as she saw fit. It is very unfortunate that Mr. Gardner had asthma, was diabetic, was 400+lbs and was being uncooperative. His race was not a factor; a 400+ lbs, asthmatic, diabetic, white man with a similar arrest record, who was also being disruptive to the shops on the street would have been treated the same- no question. Myself, I never ever use the N-word. People who do are just ignorant and they are labeled by most whites and excluded wherever possible. Racist opportunist are using this incident to promote, ironically, what they want; more racial disparity. And if that is you, then shame on you.
the street or sidewalk is not for the exclusive use of the shopkeepers. If the pedestrians thought it was harassment then they should be the ones to file the complaint, not the shopkeepers in their oh so humble opinion
I agree. Shopkeeper calls 911 and 911 kills a citizen. "This what happens when you call the cops".
Not my downie, thats my greenie, just to keep it civil.
Undoubtedly, someone called the cops and it was probably a store owner who has to sell according to the law or he is shutdown...out of business.
Once the cops are called and arrive to find him (in this case Gardner) they can't just walk up and say thats illegal what you're doing there, so stop it (especially while being video taped) its not what they're paid to do.
Again, I'm not trying to turn this entire thing into ITS BECAUSE OF THE RIDICULOUS TAX LAWS OF NYC!!!...but it was the trigger, without that, he's just some guy standing on the corner competing for business against the store owner and doing nothing illegal as far as I can tell.
But who knows, it is NYC afterall where just about anything can be made illegal, even Big Gulps ;-)
Agreed. because the shop keeper is getting extorted for a myriad a fee's and taxes regulations by every level of government, he see's that poor dude as competition to the monopoly he's paid for. Unfortunately monopolies are maintaine by force.
This is what happens when you expect somthing from the government.
I was in China at a major street corner waiting to cross. There was a vendor with an electric bike selling fruit if I remember. It was early evening. A van pulls up with a bunch of policemen and they start to get out. That vendor jumped on that bike and hauled ass out of there so fast, the cops didn't seem to care. I think they just chase the vendors around a bit to keep them sharp
-1 for the gratuitous boomer slam.
Sorry. Still harbor a little resentment towards them. My parents were something else this Thanksgiving. Still not an excuse.
Well, just remember that their indoctrination into herd ideology had far fewer loose ends than ours.
Then be thankful for your own escape.
Wow, thank you. Sorry about the Thanksgiving.
Cheers! (they're getting harder to find).
Erica Garner, the daughter of Eric Garner — who died after he was put in a police chokehold on the streets of New York — said it wasn’t so much racism but officer Daniel Pantaleo’s pride that escalated the altercation and led to a fatal conclusion.
“This is not a black and white issue,” she said, in an interview with Don Lemon on CNN.
Mr. Lemon then asked again if she thought race played any part in her dad’s death.
“I really doubt it,” Ms. Garner said, Mediaite reported. “It was about the officer’s pride. It was about my father being 6‘4” and 350 pounds and he wants to be the top cop that brings a big man down.”
Hmmmmmmm.
Firstly I applaud Erica Garner's poise and graciousness in this time of enormous grief and stress. A pox on the house of the race baiters: Obama, Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright etc, ad nauseum. MLK and Gandhi would shed tears over the former's magnaminity and fume with anger over our nobel hate mongers.
I think Ms. Garner perhaps only partly correct or slightly off mark. Pride is an issue to be sure. But I suspect it is more of the pride of wielding authority and not having it immediately obeyed. You know - kneel down and kiss my ring - I am your neighborhoos cop and you are my vassal. Also there is pride amongst the other officers involved, to wit: 'You ordered that guy to comply, he didn't, and you let him get away with it. You must be a weenie. Worse, I would never want to be your partner when things got really hot and my life depended upon your abaility to "be a man" under firee.'
The cops are in a tough job. I respect them, but I try to avoid them. When I do interact, it is always.....'Good morning officer'....no matter how much I perceive them to be the adult version of the bottom of my high school class - which is clearly the case in the choking death in New York.
But what is even more galling is that Garner was accosted by the police for a non-crime.
As an outsider to NY culture, I consider that selling cigarettes on the street, packets, let alone singles, to be 100% fine, an entrepreneurial activity, no more deserving of police attention than flicking a snot onto the footpath.
Is it the case in NY now that even raising your eyes above the boot-level of a police officer is also a crime?
This is the part that really gets me. Why would this ever be an arrestable offense?
Yet Corzine walks free to this very day.
No - this is Orwell, we're on Huxley. Medicated, food-stamped, health-cared...
"But I suspect it is more of the pride of wielding authority and not having it immediately obeyed."
+1
institutional arrogance is the real issue. racism is a subset of that for sure, but imho, it goes deeper than race. in fact, one could make the case that it is the prevailing theme of not only the past 6 years of this blogsite, but of civilization as we know it.
in the particular case of the police in NYC and everywhere elsewhere, all that federal cash flow to buy them all those fancy toys and paramilitary training didn't help matters in the slightest. wonder if there will be a "federal civil rights investigation" into that?
not holding breath here. life's too short & precious to wait around for the High & Mighty types to do a little self-introspection.
Keeping your mouth shut around cops is an important lesson.
However, given the nature of the NYPDs stop and frisk and arrest tactics, which grades performance based on statistical deliverables, it is easy to see how someone in disgust might finally decide not to keep his mouth shut. Particularly someone who just finished breaking up a fight.
I am looking forward to reading Arrest Proof Yourself, not because I am worried about being arrested, but because of what it has to say about the police mind frame.
Chris Rock...how not to get your ass kicked by the police
tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
WB
ur art is important and brings bothe heightened discussion and a form of catharsis. Thanks.
thank you Erica.
take that Skinny Al (and those pulling his strings).