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"We Tortured Some Folks": CIA Lied To Congress, Senate Torture Report Reveals

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In what we are confident everyone will find to be absolutely shocking news, moments ago the Senate Torture report was released. The key finding, hold on to your hats, is that the CIA "misled" Congress. As for the timing of the release, which takes place at the same time as Jonathan Gruber (Ph.D) is being grilled in the House, it is hardly a coincidence that Obama does everything in his power to deflect attention to what took place under the Bush administration, commenting that "torture techniques did significant damage to America’s standing” in the world. So what did the droning of thousands of innocent civilians do to the same "standing"?

The drilldown from Bloomberg:

  • CIA provided inaccurate information about effectiveness and scope of interrogations of suspected terrorists, and mismanaged a program that was far more brutal than represented, according to 6-year investigation by Democrats on Senate Intelligence Cmte.
  • Interrogation techniques weren’t effective, didn’t produce key information that led to killing of Osama bin Laden and were significantly different from procedures authorized by Justice Dept, report says
  • CIA provided inaccurate information to White House, Congress, DOJ, CIA Inspector General, media and the public
  • “This document examines the CIA’s secret overseas detention of at least 119 individuals and the use of coercive interrogation techniques - in some cases amounting to torture,” Senate Intelligence Cmte Chairman Dianne  Feinstein says in statement
  • Agency lost track of 119 detainees and at least 26 didn’t meet standards for being held, according to executive summary of 6,000-page report
  • In fall of 2002, detainee died of hypothermia while shackled to concrete floor; another detainee was held for 17 days in the dark without anybody knowing he was there
  • Interrogation of terrorism suspect Abu Zubaydah, who was waterboarded at least 83 times, was more brutal than previously known; at one point, he was put in a 1 1/2 meter box and knocked unconscious during waterboarding session, while water and bubbles poured from his mouth
  • Other detainees with broken legs and feet were inappropriately forced to sit in stress positions
  • No evidence CIA briefed former President George W. Bush about harsh interrogations, though former Vice President Dick Cheney attended meetings where tactics were discussed
  • Report details actions taken on terrorism suspects during George W. Bush administration; Bush called report “way off base” in interview with CNN
  • CIA Torture Report Set for Senate Release Over Bush Objections
  • Full Senate Intelligence Cmte wasn’t briefed on techniques until September 2006
  • While some members, including Feinstein and GOP Sen. John McCain, raised objections, CIA informed DOJ Office of Legal Counsel in a classified setting that no senators objected

Obama chimes in:

  • The report documents a troubling program involving enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects,” President Obama says in e-mailed statement on release of CIA torture report.
  • Report “reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interests”
  • Says techniques did “significant damage to America’s standing” in the world

Odd: no comments by the Droner in Chief what droning thousands of innocent women and children around the world does to America's "standing" in the world.

Some more from Bloomberg:

President George W. Bush was never briefed by the Central Intelligence Agency on the details of harsh interrogation techniques and secret detention of terror suspects for the first four years of the controversial program, and when he did find out the details, he was “uncomfortable” with some of the practices, according to the long-awaited report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

 

The 500-page declassified executive summary of the majority staff’s 6,700-page investigation into CIA rendition, detention and interrogation practices after 9/11 states that despite agency efforts to keep the Bush administration informed about the program, top White House officials repeatedly resisted having the CIA brief cabinet-level figures about the details, and CIA officials were not permitted to brief Bush directly until mid-2006, more than four years after the president signed a broad executive order authorizing the program, according to Senate Democratic aides who briefed reporters ahead of Tuesday’s release.

 

When Bush finally heard the details of the harsh interrogation techniques that were used against CIA detainees, he was “uncomfortable” with some of them and expressed dismay that some detainees were required to remain in stress positions for long amounts of time, to the point that they had no choice but to soil themselves, the aides said.

 

The committee’s investigation will also state, based on CIA’s internal correspondence, that two intelligence directors, George Tenet and Porter Goss, admitted they never briefed Bush directly on the techniques, even though the CIA inspector general recommended they do so in 2004.

 

The White House also resisted CIA efforts to brief other cabinet officials in the beginning stages of the program, Senate Democratic aides said. The CIA acting general counsel at the time, John Rizzo, wrote in an internal agency e-mail that the White House had told the CIA not to brief cabinet officials in 2002 because they feared press leaks, but Rizzo said the White House’s clear implication was that if Secretary of State Colin Powell were aware of the details, “he would blow his stack.”

 

Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were briefed on the interrogation techniques sometime in 2003, the committee report states. Other top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, also eventually received briefings about the details of the program, but not the president himself. The committee report states the briefings that did occur were often misleading or incomplete.

 

In one instance, Cheney was not made aware of a specific country’s hosting of a CIA "black site," which complicated his direct relations with that country, aides said. The names of countries that participated in the CIA program are not revealed in the declassified executive summary of the report.

 

“The CIA provided incomplete and inaccurate information to the White House regarding the operation and effectiveness of the detention and interrogation program,” a committee document on the report states. “In addition to inaccurate statements provided to other policymakers, there were instances in which specific questions from White House officials were not answered truthfully or completely.”

 

In an interview with CNN on Sunday, Bush defended the CIA practices but didn’t mention he was kept out of the loop.

 

Here’s what I’m going to say, that we’re fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the CIA serving on our behalf. These are patriots,” he said. “And whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base.”

 

Cheney told The New York Times this week that he was properly informed and the CIA program operated within the authority given by the Bush administration, a claim vigorously disputed by the committee’s report.

 

“What I keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation, and the agency was way out of bounds and then they lied about it,” Cheney said. “I think that’s all a bunch of hooey. The program was authorized. The agency did not want to proceed without authorization, and it was also reviewed legally by the Justice Department before they undertook the program.”

 

In its response to the committee’s report, the CIA states that it is unknowable whether or not Bush was briefed on the details of the program prior to 2006 because CIA records are incomplete on the point. Rizzo, in his memoir “Company Man,” states that Bush probably wasn’t fully briefed on the details. The CIA points out that Bush claimed in his own memoir he was briefed on some details.

 

"The study asserts that the President was not briefed in a timely way on program details,” the CIA response states. “While the Agency records on the subject are admittedly incomplete, former President Bush has stated in his autobiography that he discussed the program, including its use of enhanced techniques, with then-DCIA Tenet in 2002, prior to the application of the techniques on Abu Zubaydah, and personally approved the techniques."  (Zubaydah is a Saudi citizen still held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.)

 

Regardless, according to the report, which outgoing committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein will speak about this morning on the Senate floor, the CIA not only went well beyond the techniques and practices authorized by the Bush White House and the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the agency misrepresented the program to top officials and used false information to gain approval from the White House and Justice Department.

 

The CIA provided inaccurate information to the White House, Congress, the Justice Department, the CIA inspector general, the media, and the American public,” a document provided to reporters by the committee states.

And so on. The full report can be found here

But before anyone gets too excited:

... here is Mike Krieger with the best summary:

 

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Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:24 | 5532791 ZippyBananaPants
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We are still lying to some folks

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:26 | 5532803 noben
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And the report testifies to that facts.

p.s. The Report is an instrument of Torture in itself.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532807 0b1knob
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WE???????????????????

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:32 | 5532842 Newsboy
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It's OK, Dick Cheney takes credit and says he would do it all again.

In 10 years he can be convicted and sent to prison for life, or something.

there will be repercussions!

(sarc, y'all)

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:40 | 5532889 ACP
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Obama: "Reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interests."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA!

Yeah, what are YOUR values Obunghole? Your values limit you to only oppressing your own countrymen? (I use that term "countrymen" loosely)

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:50 | 5532935 Emergency Ward
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He prefers bombing weddings, droning Asian children and secret torture sites (more consistent with his intransparent adminstration).

-- "These harsh methods are inconsistent with our values.  They should be kept secret so the stupid American voters are not troubled and confused by The Government's tactics.  Gruber told me so."

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:13 | 5533026 Ignatius
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As old as the Inquisition:  To maintain a lie, extort a confession.

9/11 is the lie - a big, fat fucking fraud.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:14 | 5533044 Jack's Digestib...
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At least five CIA detainees were subjected to "rectal rehydration" or rectal feeding without documented medical necessity.

 

Apparently, we raped some folks.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:50 | 5533224 whackedinflorida
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We fed some folks through the wrong end. 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:59 | 5533255 pods
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I'm gonna ram it, ram it, ram it ram it up your poop chute.............................. 

Jesus sounds like the CIA is about on par with Maynard's Army Surplus store?

"Bring out the Gimp."

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:06 | 5533278 TeamDepends
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We forced some folks to watch (a la "Clockwork Orange") an endless loop of Lena Dunham "material".

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:15 | 5533342 Pinto Currency
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W must be nervous.

If the CIA gets shut down, there's a risk the whole issue of his dad and JFK comes out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlJQJUUqR4

Dark Legacy: George Bush And The Murder Of John Kennedy

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:33 | 5533456 smlbizman
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yeah, im pretty sure we executed some japanese folks in the mid 40's for the same thing....but its different when the good guys do it, i suppose....

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:39 | 5533493 El Oregonian
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I repent. God, forgive me for I am a sinner...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:16 | 5533354 Ignatius
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I believe even darker forces were at work.

Hitlery strippin' and singin':

I wanna be loved by you

You, and nobody else but you

Boop-boop-bi-doop, yeah!

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:32 | 5533441 TeamDepends
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The cankles, the cankles.
-Colonel Kurtz

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:12 | 5533322 Pinto Currency
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Tue, 12/09/2014 - 22:02 | 5535102 Pie rre
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They may have had stinky butt in which case it was necessary to hydrate them before full penetration.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:14 | 5533045 max2205
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Imagine what govts do in a real war.....not some made up shit like the last 15 years

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:28 | 5532817 pods
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Matters, the whole government lies to us daily, why should the fucking pukes in CONgress be immune?

Chutercraft!

pods

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:32 | 5532848 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, but it matters because, while "lies" are unavoidable, once it becomes acceptable procedure all bets are off.

Remember, truth is treason in an empire of lies.

When fraud is the status quo possession is 100% of the law, etc.

 

Remember when people/corporations went to prison/bankrupt for lying to congress?

Viable economies have integrity, period.

Hedge accordingly.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:39 | 5532887 WillyGroper
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Remember when people/corporations went toprison/bankrupt for lying to congress?

Vaguely.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:02 | 5532991 pods
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Just a couple years ago they sent thousands of those mortgage bankers and servicers to jail for forged documents.  Linda Green got 25 to life!

sigh

pods

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:23 | 5533082 Alea Iactaest
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Where are the indictments/prosecutions?

Who is going to jail?

We live in a banana republic.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:16 | 5533358 Bingo Hammer
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I'm thinking we're way beyond Banana Republic.

Orwellian Nightmare (on steroids) is probably closer to what's happening.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:40 | 5532860 Ghordius
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pods, government is usually not sworn to say the truth to the public, "only" to uphold the law. which is not that easy, and a task for itself

otherwise politics would be a very, very difficult business, then people usually ask politicians all kind of questions for which they would have to answer: "How am I supposed to know?", which does not fly well with the "peanut gallery", which wants answers particularly where none can be given

intelligence services, on the other side, are sworn to find and report the truth to government. Them, lying to Congress/Senate... well, in other countries we have a simple indictment for such things: High Treason

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:41 | 5532893 Dr. Engali
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Good luck with that High Treason thing when the world is run buy a bunch of NWO no countries, no border crowd. There is no such thing as countries in their eyes. We are all part of a corporation now.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:48 | 5532926 LawsofPhysics
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Precisely,  "uphold the law" he says.  Please, who's law exactly?

 

Seems to me that the only thing main street needs is a better lobby.

motherfuckers better start building guillotines while they still can.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:55 | 5532959 Ghordius
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American law is done by American lawgivers. Which are the same bunch to which those intelligence services report to, as per law on intelligence services, which again was written by... lawgivers

now, of course, if those guys really can't even go to the bathroom without a lobbyist leading them to, then ok, they will not notice. then of course it's the question if intelligence services are still needed, and perhaps a lobbyist will note and propose such... cuts

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:07 | 5533016 LawsofPhysics
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Do you have a point?  If if and bits were candy and nuts we would all have a merry christmas.

Spare us your mental masterbation.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:11 | 5533024 Ghordius
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do you have less stupid questions, then? or will you repeat the same sentence 250 times until I nudge you to change the track? my point was an answer to your question

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:21 | 5533080 LawsofPhysics
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The laws of Nature and physics have not changed asshat.  It's worth repeating.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:48 | 5532934 Ghordius
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and as often, from one exceptional country to the whole world, without a moment of pause

do you think that a Russian or Chinese Intelligence Officer can lie to his government without eventually having to flee or be put against a wall? Do you think Russia and China are the only ones?

stop talking about American matters as if they were the world's matters. "The World" is not run by a bunch of NWO types. The world might be led by the nose by the US, sometimes, but the two things are separate, and depend on many, many things

rant end

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:56 | 5532966 Dr. Engali
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Bullshit. Euroland is full of NWO sycophants. Together with the U.S  they are working to force Russia and China into the fold. If they don't comply then the NWO will put pressure on their economies, and if that doesn't work they will take us too war.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:19 | 5533688 Oldwood
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Lest we forget, Russia and China were some of the first to make a real push towards a new world order. Are we forgetting the agenda of world domination commanded by the communist manifesto? It is a war of domination and only the losers look innocent in comparison. Is there any doubt that if China were able to dominate the worlds economy that they would not impose their politics as well? The only defense against force is a greater force, which brings us to where we are today.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:32 | 5533743 Dr. Engali
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Two words...... Manifest destiny.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:46 | 5532921 Oldwood
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Just more diversionary bullshit. When we start seeing torture similar to what we saw in Nam and Japan, then we should really worry. When we see torture, not for intelligence gathering but for the pure fun and pleasure of it, we should worry. This dialogue has been created to disparage and destroy our nation. This is being used to tar America, and as an American, I do not accept their premise. We take the tiny number of incidents of police unjustly killing, and the even smaller incidents of torture (using the term loosely) to indict an entire government, of which, if you are paying attention, those running it claim no part of. Its the Obama doctrine of "its those other guys doing it, I'm just here for the folks". For all you people out there daily hatcheting at the very roots of our country, hopefully you will be pleased when it is all laying in ruins at your feet. Lets go after the real corruption, not the deliberate show trials put on for our benefit, designed specifically to undermine our sense of country and faith in ourselves. America is us, if you haven't noticed and while we could all use a little dose of self help, suicide is not typically the best prescription. But if you must...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:59 | 5533253 Vooter
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"For all you people out there daily hatcheting at the very roots of our country, hopefully you will be pleased when it is all laying in ruins at your feet."

"Doubling over with laughter" is probably more accurate than "pleased," but yeah, you get the general idea...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 16:26 | 5533998 Ass Burger
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"When we see torture, not for intelligence gathering but for the pure fun and pleasure of it, we should worry."

 

something something Abu Ghraib?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:50 | 5532942 pods
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You are implying there are two sets of rules. One for the people, one for the government.

Now how can this be if said government was created by the people to serve the people?

A master does not have to tell the slave anything they don't want them to know.

When the republic of the USA was created the people were not obliged to tell the government anything they didn't want them to know, with several clearly defined exceptions.  One being the census.

I know this is all academic, as somewhere along the lines (cival war, act of 1871, 14th amendment trust, bankruptcy) the roles reversed.

Just wish more people would realize this.

Chutercraft!

pods

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:03 | 5532997 Ghordius
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nope. I'm implying that governments often have secrets which they might find they should not be divulged to the general public. The usual case is war secrets

and the simplest example is where an enemy could have an advantage

Of course a country like the US is often at war, and so it has often secrets. Have some 50 years of peace and perhaps the thing changes, but even the Swiss have military secrets, for example

And this is the reason why for technical purposes, when it comes to intelligence, The Sovereign People is represented by let's say Congress, or Senate, or even only a small select committe

and this is something you can't change that easily even in the best cases, except if you find a recipy for world peace

but again, an intelligence service member is sworn to his duty, and his duty is to report intelligence to... the government

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:11 | 5533027 pods
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And is not the government bound to uphold and defend the very constitution that founded it?

So, say if CONgress were to get a classified report that a branch of it is violating the constitution, then what responsibilities does it have to the people?

Say, an agency was collecting data on each and every person in the nation in violation of an explicit declaration (4th amendment).

With secrecy, the opportunity to break the law is too great for any society.

The master slave relationship is turned around and now you have the Evil Empire. 

RATM was spot the fuck on with that album.

pods

 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:56 | 5532964 williambanzai7
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Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:04 | 5533001 Oldwood
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Sure, Bush was Hitler. another astute analysis. We were making lamp shades for muslim hides and removing limbs from the living to see how they reacted. Sure. Fucking idiots.

When everything is the same, when every lie and every action are equally objectionable, we have reduced ourselves to complete blithering idiots....the exact population Obama seeks to lead.

So go right ahead, fall in step. Maybe we can all go burn Bush at the stake for waterboarding a few people. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

What a fucking world.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:25 | 5533095 Bay of Pigs
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Maybe not Hitler, but certainly a war criminal. Untold numbers of dead in Afghanistan and Iraq in illegal and immoral wars.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:33 | 5533130 williambanzai7
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There is a very strong argument that you become Hitler the minute you commit the first war crime.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:00 | 5533603 Oldwood
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Strong argument by whom? Maybe by Obama as we can now all be called criminals for selling cigarettes on the streets. Its just this kind of thinking that gets the ball to rolling. Relativism at its best.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:53 | 5533865 Joebloinvestor
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You may become, but usually it is the losers that are accused of war crimes.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:09 | 5533647 Oldwood
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I guess its only the Muslims engaged in a moral war, right? It seems they have already won. Like blacks burning Ferguson is a moral win as well. There are no moral wars. There is fighting a war to win it and then writing history to congratulate yourself for your moral purity. If Bush's wars had been allowed to be won there would be a different story being told here. But as we are now moral purists we are not allowed to fight to actually win. We always are ready to give up with a draw, which unfortunately the rest of the world sees as defeat, correctly I might add. No moral superiority it not starting wars but winning them, and we most definitely will not do that. We are all at war and always have been. At war with our environment, with our neighbors and every other element of our life. I will not excuse the crimes that have taken place other than to suggest that they be put in context. We are humans and this is what we do, especially when it comes to condemning others.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:06 | 5533280 my_nym
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Hitler wasn't even quite "another Hitler" before the Zionists started calling everyone... "another Hitler." 

The "Human Skin Lampshades" and "Nazi Shrunken Heads" Psyop - "Evidence" Presented at Nuremberg

 

Better than the incubator babies that Tom Lanto marketed the first Iraq war with based on atrocity propaganda, huh?  And now Putin is going to have the shrunken heads of Saddam's incubator babies stored underneath his bed, I shouldn't wonder.  After all, no matter what sort of criminals they are... they're all "another Hitler" when they cross the interests of the Tribe Inc.

Goyim.  Don't you ever get tired of believing in the lies of Jews?  One would think that you'd drop from exhaustion eventually, yet you keep on beLIEving.  The Nazis were not making lamp shades, anymore than Americans made lamp shades out of the Japanese that they interred.  And the reason that all the gas chambers were found on the side controlled by Jewish Bolsheviks was because Team America, although full of freedumb, is still full of true believers to this day.  They thought it as all true about all the Germans.

Perhaps it's harder to create wars these days when the allies of Zion/Nudelman/Nuland/PNAC are neoNazis in the Ukraine or Islamic terrists eating people's hearts in Syria.  But would you believe... that Assad has made lamp shades out of the skins of incubator babies?      

 

 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 17:34 | 5534258 TuPhat
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Does any of that actually mean anything?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:05 | 5533285 Vooter
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He can be Stalin, if you want. Or Pol Pot. Doesn't matter to me...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:41 | 5532899 Emergency Ward
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All the names have been redacted, so no one is to blame except the other guy.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:29 | 5532834 glenlloyd
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Does this mean we're going to get a Torture Czar?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:33 | 5532846 Tsar Pointless
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Hmm. I could easily change my name and take that post.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:35 | 5532855 Conax
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Does the Mooch starving school kids count?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:40 | 5532891 Emergency Ward
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Tossing out that state provided school lunch slop is an act of terrorism.  Get DHS over here now!

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:37 | 5532866 Stoploss
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Pretty obvious Barry is only in office to undo everything GW did.

Can't do anything else. And we're about to experience what it's like to have to defend ourselves.

The Fun, it just keeps coming...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:52 | 5532952 williambanzai7
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Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:17 | 5533058 rejected
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Outstanding!. The chief clown with all the flag wavers and military in the background says it all.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:28 | 5532799 Dr. Engali
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 Fucking congress critters all knew what was going on. They all need to be thrown into a dark room and strapped to a cement floor until they expire.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:45 | 5532906 boattrash
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I vote that we turn the CIA Torture Team loose on 535 cocksuckers in D.C. Period!

Edit; Make it 536, throw that POS Gruber in it just for shits&grins.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:46 | 5532919 Rip van Wrinkle
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No. Strap 'em to a board, turn 'em upside down and pour running water over their heads until they talk....oh, hang on, didn't they try and do that to some other folks?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:01 | 5532994 Captain Willard
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Exactly! They were all briefed on this covert CIA program and now they want to engage in revisionist history. 

The questions are: Cui bono? Why are they revealing the details of this program now? Could some of these CIA techniques have been continued after Obama took office without his knowing it?

And of course, all this "torture" is much less humane than the Obama drone program! /sarc

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:27 | 5533108 Alea Iactaest
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But it helped end a couple of wars, right?

Wait, what?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:13 | 5533036 rejected
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but that would be cruel and unusual punishment and contrary to the great constitution they swore to uphold,,, oh, never mind.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532805 AmericasCicero
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IM SHOCKED!

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:38 | 5532883 nuubee
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Yes, but enough about what's going on in your particular "safehouse" at the moment, there's a torture report to read.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532806 A Nanny Moose
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Lie? Or is it simply cognitive dissonance on the part of CONgress?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:34 | 5532851 piceridu
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Appointing a Torture Czar in ...3...2....1

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:27 | 5533116 Alea Iactaest
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No worries, I'm told DOJ is all over this.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532808 MarkAntony
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QUICK!!! Look this way, NO - don't look that way, look here!!!

 

Yooooooaaaaawwwwnnnnn..... tired of this shit.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:26 | 5532809 skbull44
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And what will change? Absolutely nothing...except maybe it will go further underground.

http://olduvai.ca

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:58 | 5532976 Oldwood
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Face it. We hire a government to do the shit we don't want to do or simply can't do. We have cops because we don't want to carry a gun and be looking over our shoulder all the time. We hire a military because we don't want to be fighting off some hordes in our back yard with pitchforks. We can stand all morally high and mighty to pass judgemnts on what others do, but until we are in their shoes we should be a little more considerate of what we are saying. Even for the most passive pussy on this thread, I feel most confident that if your personal loved one was held hostage, you would not hestitate to do what ever the fuck you though necessary to save them, waterboarding likely being the most restrained. So shut the fuck up until you have been there. Otherwise, lets just send all of these people home and just take our chances in our own back yards, pitchforks or whatever you have.

I have a personal friend who actually stood guard on these pukes in Guantanamo and people have no idea of what we are dealing with...unless of course you believe everything the NY Times has to print.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:07 | 5533017 joego1
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Who is this "we" Kemosabe?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:19 | 5533069 max2205
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Wait a minute,  that's what you say about Mexicans. ....get your story straight...LOL

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:13 | 5533667 Oldwood
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We is defined by those who voted for what we are now experiencing. We are dominated by the voting majority. We are stuck in this mess with no way out but obvious self destruction.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:49 | 5533214 Vooter
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Did your friend get lung cancer yet?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 15:33 | 5533764 Oldwood
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Yes, as the result of a chronic olive oil snorting addiction.

It is amazing how far we will reach for evidence of evil when it supports our agenda and then look the other way when it does not.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532812 AccreditedEYE
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But their Twitter feed is so cute and snarky and hip and stuff.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:28 | 5532816 Notsobadwlad
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So, what we need is a real Attorney General who will prosecute government employees who do illegal things, instead of legally protected things, such as whistle blowing.

It is very sad that we have learned to expect all of our politicians and government agencies to be completely corrupt.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:29 | 5532833 pods
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What is needed is about 50,000 Uruk Hai to encircle the DC beltline and rape murder and eat everything inside of it.

"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"

pods

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:30 | 5532840 Tsar Pointless
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That's never going to happen. Not with Republicans and Democrats running this shitshow.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:37 | 5532864 Emergency Ward
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In recent memory we have Reno, Ashcroft, Gonzalez, and Holder.  All were (are) brutal supporters of the police state.  I don't think anybody will get nominated that doesn't share the views of the president and the senate.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:29 | 5533125 Alea Iactaest
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Your list isn't even a start.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:28 | 5532818 Jonas Parker
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The truth, unfortunately, is that torture is an extremely poor way to get information. The "torturee" will tell the torturer anything, true, partially true, or false to the level of pure BS to get the torture to stop. The CIA still hasn't learned that you can't fix a Rolex watch with a sledgehammer...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:33 | 5532836 Notsobadwlad
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They often imprison and torture rather than murder people because in their view, that is a much more harsh thing to do to someone they believe to be a threat.

Killing the people who they see as a threat is a last resort because it releases the person from their bondage and control.

Yes, it is sick. They seemingly have no intention of getting information from their captives. They just enjoy torture, I would guess.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:05 | 5533011 Oldwood
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And most everyone here is guessing

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:38 | 5532884 XitSam
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The real problem is they like torturing human beings. 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 17:15 | 5534186 Meat Hammer
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Feinstein was for it before she was against it, so why the sudden change?  Why is this happening now?

Thoughts?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:42 | 5532896 Berspankme
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Wife has been doing this for years. I always tell her what she wants to hear

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532820 venturen
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Anyone that disagrees will either be chased to Russia! Or Obama will drone you without trial...summary execution from Commandant Obama!  

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:27 | 5532822 Tsar Pointless
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Any person who agrees with torture should themselves be provided a script of what certain people want them to hear them say, then proceed to be subjected to any number of "enhanced interrogation" procedures.

I would like to see how long they would last before they uttered said script verbatim.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:30 | 5532825 I am Jobe
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They are still in office and power. No change. Nothing to see here. Move along. Go watch the Kardashians and NFL. 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:30 | 5532829 gcjohns1971
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Mmmm....

Okay.

Don't be shy.

Raise of hands; who is surprised that the CIA lies?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:30 | 5532832 goldhedge
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When the fuck has any Gov Agency told the truth anyways?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:30 | 5532838 i_call_you_my_base
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Who decides to waterboard a guy the 80th time?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:37 | 5532871 RaceToTheBottom
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Must of been getting such good information, they kept going back for more...

/s

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:30 | 5532839 Sisyphus
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Dick Cheney was the greatest president that America ever had. G. W. Bush was a close second, followed by Cliton and the Messiah. /...gasm

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:32 | 5533129 Alea Iactaest
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Typo for #42?

Or just a Freudian slip?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:32 | 5532841 roadhazard
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Heads will roll I'm sure. Probably only, "retraining" and a raise.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:33 | 5532853 I am Jobe
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Golden parachute checks being printed and a cocktail after the hearing. Some low level SOB will be the fall guy . Nuf said. 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:33 | 5532854 kchrisc
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"We had to torture and kill him to find the terrorists."

"What did he say?"

"He gave us a mirror?!"

"What's it mean."

"We don't know, we're still working on that."

An American, not US subject.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:35 | 5532857 Chupacabra-322
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So when do the Arrests begin?

Crickets....

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:33 | 5533138 Alea Iactaest
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The team will be at your door tonight. Please do not resist. And prepare a list of all names that have been subjected to your subversive comments.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:39 | 5532865 ebworthen
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"I'm calling for a DOJ investigation and a panel of experts to be formed."  ROFLMAO!

Too close to the truth; the mandarins will have many committees and lunches.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:37 | 5532872 Magnum
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Every country has a secret intelligence team.  I'd suggest the US CIA overall is best.  A necessary evil. 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:43 | 5532902 Seal
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The CIA should be terminated with extreme prejudice and we should sub-contract to Mossad - Oh, wait! We already do  use Mossad. 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:50 | 5532945 GeezerGeek
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Or does Mossad use us?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:47 | 5532873 Chupacabra-322
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This bullshit has been going on since the Pure Evil Criminal Psychopaths at the CIA destroyed the tapes.

And, longer.

Here come more PsyOp, False Narratiives Scripts & Propaganga Camaigne Scripts written by yes the CIA.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:38 | 5532874 WillyGroper
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They hate us for our "Freedumbs".

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:39 | 5532885 Government need...
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The CIA liars deserve to get dead for their treasonous actions.  Heros?  Bullshit.  Fucking cowards who deserve a coward's justice.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:40 | 5532888 Berspankme
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The magic negroes drones help our stature?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:43 | 5532900 D-liverSil-ver
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Obama is turning into a Zerohedge spoof of himself.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:42 | 5532904 Bill of Rights
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harold and kumar escape from guantanamo bay - cock meat sandwich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnKMKAEvLxM

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:42 | 5532905 Chupacabra-322
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Assholes like the Bitch Feinsten & her Criminal War Profitering Husband will have the PsyOp, Fales Narrarive, Propaganda Scrips handed to them by the Pure Evil Psychopaths at CIA.

Good Morning here we come.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:45 | 5532912 Duc888
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"No evidence CIA briefed former President George W. Bush about harsh interrogations, though former Vice President Dick Cheney attended meetings where tactics were discussed"

 

Probably fapped too.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:48 | 5532927 Chupacabra-322
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The War Crimals have admitted to it on TV.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:44 | 5532913 Conax
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In old Europe they drew and quartered folks.  They might roast you in a fire, or eviscerate you and put your still-living guts in a fire barrel as you watch.  Hangings were also cruel, they would hang you slow, hoisting you off the ground to strangle.

We 'Murcans have always been severe, but fair. We always tried to hang them right, with just enough drop to break the neck without yanking the head off and grossing out the crowd.

Now we are severe and cruel, sick and twisted, no better than the primates of the Dark Ages.  It is despicable. It's un-Amurican, and it won't go unpunished.  If not in this life, then the next.  Cretins.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:29 | 5533124 Blood Spattered...
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It's already went unpunished, no one is going to answer for this.  Lying to congress amounts to being a sport these days.  These are war crimes of the highest order, yet I don't see that term being used in any of the MSM drivel quoted in this article.

My father asked me at Thanksgiving what I thought about Obama, and I told him he (like Bush) belongs in prison for war crimes.  He looked at me like I was from a different planet.

Cognitive Dissonance is a real bitch, and 99% of Americans have blinders on when it comes to war crimes and our raping of the Middle East.  So sad.  Time is running out to get on the right side of history.  Our occupation of the Middle East will be described as genocide 100 years from now.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:48 | 5532920 kchrisc
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No need to torture to find the treasonous.

An American, not US subject.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:47 | 5532925 JustObserving
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officers threatened to kill and rape detainees' mothers

http://rt.com/usa/212839-cia-torture-senate-report/

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:48 | 5532928 GeezerGeek
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Obamba chimes in: Report “reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interests. On the other hand, using them against American citizens is perfectly acceptable, since the rest of the world hates us for our freedoms. And the two agencies I've allowed to do this are the IRS and NSA.”

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:48 | 5532932 Catullus
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So what details they did release tell us that there are somehow only 4 people who set up and administered the entire thing. And a low level analyst could submit for someone to be tortured. Basically 4 people, 2 of which were contractors, created a torture program that provided the intelligence that we used to go to war.

And anyone remotely believes this?

Even the story they've told is outrageous on its face.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:53 | 5532956 GeezerGeek
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They probably think we believe the BLS statistics, too.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:53 | 5532951 enloe creek
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you have to go full liar to get to th truth

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:03 | 5532953 Atomizer
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Waterboarding, or Chinese water torture some folks to find out.

Reloop Skinny Puppy - Assimilate | Rot and Assimilate in a closed cell at high decibel . :P

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:16 | 5533059 Zaptastic
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Would upvote this 10 times for the Skinny Puppy reference alone!

But alas, I can only upvote you once.

 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 12:52 | 5532954 alexcojones
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Operation Phoenix. CIA in Nam.

 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:00 | 5532986 economessed
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Laws are in place to preserve a civil society -- they are the rules we all agree to for our own safety and well-being.  When government chooses to disregard those laws, it pulls at the thread of our social fabric.

 

The lizard brains love to rationalize torture by saying that the enemies are uncivilized, and we're not doing anything they themselves wouldn't do.  But I have a problem if we endorse rape, waterboarding, or infliction of sustained pain & suffering, because if our own soldiers and citizens are subjected to this treatment, it's OK because we ourselves have said it's lawful.

 

What kind of person do you want to be?  What kind of country do you want to live in?  I don't want to pay taxes to a government that will torture people.  I don't want to pay taxes to fund a goverment that will rationalize lawless behavior.

 

But I've also resigned myself to the fact that there is no leadership in our government anymore.  No one describing right from wrong, no rational restraint in spending/borrowing, no reluctance to put other peoples's sons/daughters in the line of fire in foreign countries, no revulsion to hypocracy, greed etc.  Fate has something in mind for a government like ours, and all indications point to an unhappy ending.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:15 | 5533051 Zaptastic
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Ron Paul.

But you guys are too busy playing US and THEM (dems and repubs) to notice that rome has all but burned to the ground.

But, I digress.  It's probably Obama's fault, or maybe Bush's fault.  Keep hammering away at that one.  ;)

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 16:07 | 5533929 thebigunit
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Good grief!

If you really believed your stupid, tiresome "there all the same, nothing makes a difference" meme, why the hell do you keep posting?

It doesn't make any difference!

Idiot.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:01 | 5532992 ZeroPoint
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So much for the shining city on the hill. America deserves divine judgement.

 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:20 | 5533074 tumblemore
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Well if the almighty wanted to be as cost-effective as possible I expect fire and brimstone on Wall St and Manhattan would probably do the trick.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:03 | 5532995 philosophers bone
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"Torture damaged America's standing in the world"

Part of it.  When they perform the post-mortem on the USA, I believe 9/11 will be recognized as the catalyst.  The loss of all (perceived) credibility and moral high ground not just with the world, but with its own citizens.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:42 | 5533188 Vooter
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GOOD!

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:02 | 5532998 bubbleburster
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Here is the report, though sprinkled with heavy redaction ink

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1376717/cia-repo...

Reminds me of Valery Plame's very heavily redacted book, which is so badly blocked that it's almost unreadable.  

One wonders if Tenant will ever show his sad dog face in publc again?  (Well, this is the same country that is still showing up to watch/listen/applaud Bill Cosby, right?)

 

 

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:07 | 5532999 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Obama is going to dump this scandal on the Bush Presidency and make it an issue for Democrats to run on in 2016.

The United States War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal statute set forth at 18 U.S.C. § 2441, makes it a federal crime for any U.S. national, whether military or civilian, to violate the Geneva Convention by engaging in murder, torture, or inhuman treatment.

The statute applies not only to those who carry out the acts, but also to those who ORDER IT, know about it, or fail to take steps to stop it. The statute applies to everyone, no matter how high and mighty.

18 U.S.C. § 2441 has no statute of limitations, which means that a war crimes complaint can be filed at any time.

The penalty may be life imprisonment or — if a single prisoner dies due to torture — death. Given that there are numerous, documented cases of prisoners being tortured to death by U.S. soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan, that means that the death penalty would be appropriate for anyone found guilty of carrying out, ordering, or sanctioning such conduct.

Obama's claim that he stopped the torture soon after taking office is unproven, but at the very least his failure to arrest and prosecute the torturers of the previous administration makes him an accessory after-the-fact."    Mike Rivero -WhatReallyHappened.com

 

Hello soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen1

Anybody out there?...  Got the guts to do what is right for the direction this Country is headed in and the way you will be sacrificed in Eastern Europe shortly to facilitate an agenda for "the good of the Country" and your pay giver's interests?...

How many of you are willing to collectively go AWOL and do what pfc Manning did in order to make the end stop?!!!! 

As your bonus wonderful news from Tel Aviv  on your new orders!

You've got 99 days in which to sit on your hands and disobey every order for war you will receiv from your real master!

Think it's time we memorialize those 34 killed and 72 wounded on June 8, 1967 and the 2,900 on September 11, 2001 and give the little bitches in Washington and Tel Aviv something to worry about!

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:07 | 5533018 rejected
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While we do what?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:12 | 5533029 Son of Captain Nemo
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I've got some suggestions... but for some great ideas locate kchris!

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 14:21 | 5533396 capltd
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So the Dems strategy is to turn out the anti-torture vote in 2016?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:04 | 5533004 tumblemore
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What's so weird is they are perfectly okay with doing this in private while still using moral arguments against other countries in public.

Well, it's not weird once you realize they're sociopaths but it's weird if you haven't realized it yet.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:05 | 5533007 rejected
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The CIA lies to Congress and Congress lies to us and we lie to each other. lol. 

So what's the big deal?

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:10 | 5533023 joego1
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Back when this started I had some bumper stickers made "Torture is not an American value" and put them on my truck. I never received a single comment about them. Sometimes I felt like I was the last living American driving around.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:22 | 5533064 Prober
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Only mistake the CIA made was in not killing them all after extracting whatever info they could get. I would have been very happy to do it free of charge - with a signed pardon from the President just in case of this kind of bizzare anti-America transition.

I worry about militarized out-of-control unaccountable police brutalizing & killing Americans, and coercive collectivism stealing the people's earnings and running up astronomical debt to fund vote-buying entitlement programs,  NOT giving justice to islamic cult worshipers.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:28 | 5533121 tumblemore
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Doesn't it mention them "losing track" of the tortured?

 

"NOT giving justice to islamic cult worshipers."

 

If the banking mafia cared about protecting America and Americans they'd control the border.

 

So they're in the middle east for a different reason.

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:43 | 5533181 Vooter
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And yet ANOTHER reason why 9/11 was hilarious...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:21 | 5533077 desirdavenir
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that's the true value of electing a hare brained president who don't care about his job: in the aftermath, it's always plausible to say:

- for the president, that he didn't know or understand what was going on at the time

- for his ``underlings'', to claim that everything was ordered by the president

No one is guilty, no one is responsible. That's how you run a nation, these days...

Tue, 12/09/2014 - 13:25 | 5533092 holgerdanske
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USA the best funded terrorist organisazion in the world, responsible for up to 15 million people dying after 2nd world war.

You are a disgrace.

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